December 4, 2024 • 44 mins
Chris Haarlow shares his journey of recovering from a hip replacement and returning to competition through precise prehab and targeted recovery. He offers advice on finding the right instructor, emphasizing the importance of knowing your goals, capabilities, and purpose. If you're a junior golfer, or parent, be sure to listen to this one! Connect with Chris, Precision Golf School, and the PKB Girls Golf Tour: https://precisioninstruction.com/ @precisiongolfschool https://www.pkbgt.org/
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I'm your host,
Chris Finn, and today I have probably my favorite other
Chris that I've ever met on the show with me,
Chris Harlowe from Precision Golf School. If you guys don't
know him, he's done some pretty amazing things. I'm gonna
try to flatter him. It's tough because the resume is
really long, so I'm just gonna try to pick a
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few things. But so, Chris is here in North Carolina,
one of the earliest golf pros that I had the
privilege and pleasure of getting to meet and and kind
of come up with. He's a was a three time
All American in college. He played professionally for about six years.
He got to play us to Open and Oakmont. He
is the current reigning Player of the Year for the
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CGA Carolina. Is CPGA Carolina is a professional golf association.
So he's all He can play his ball and he
knows a thing or two about the golf swing and
the body and uh So, anyway, without further ado, Chris,
welcome the show man. Super well.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Chris, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to
this for a while and I certainly have uh you know,
through the years, had had so much experience with you
guys over at par four and and everything. You guys
have helped me out so much, you know, personally and professionally,
just getting me to understand how how things mechanically work
in the body and how you know, personally I need
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to uh need to improve myself.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, and we haven't been able to do that mentally
yet with both of us are still working on that
for each other, well physically in golf swing we got
each other you know, ying and yah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'll never forget. One of the first things we talked
about was when when my hip was was going bad. Uh,
we did the uh you know, the assessment, and and
the assessment showed that I was like, I think my
power outputs were something like say, thirty five to forty
percent and my speeds were like, you know, ninety to
ninety five percent. And you're like going, uh, you're in
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in uh, we're in danger zone for a pretty good
injury here. Well we know where were injured.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, for you know, obviously,
I want to get into the instructional side and everything
you do with the PKB Tour and precision. But I
think where I want to what I'd love to start
is your journey personally, because I think it's kind of
a cool one that a lot of guys can relate to.
Particularly you obviously have had the hip replacement that you
and I know about. Nobody listening, you had no idea,
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so you know, well spoiler alert, But I would love
to hear just about your journey. Obviously you're avery accomplished
player when you were younger, and then as you know,
as you've gotten older and you know, into this the
senior world, and like you've continued to be successful at
every level. And so I think it would be cool
for everybody to hear just to kind of or speak
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to kind of what are the things that you've had
to do as your body's changed to continue to play
at such a high level.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, I've had to change a lot, which has been
good and bad. I think it comes from UH, I
just love competing, UH and I love UH. I love
pushing myself to to try to just compete at the
best level I can UH. And so along with that,
I'll give you a little background. I had a good
friend of mine Wendall Lamerson who was down in Ashboro,
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and I was having some trouble getting in and out
of a cart. And this was I'm guessing twelve years
ago by now, maybe even longer than that. And so
he stopped by one day and he found out that
I had like less than five percent of internal rotation
in my right hip and and my spine had like
fifty Yeah, that was tough, but my spine had like
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fifty percent of mobility. And so so he obviously addressed
the spine first, uh, you know, just to try to
get that loosened up. And at the time, you know,
I was, I should say before uh, you know, I
was able to play pretty at a pretty good level,
was able to hit the ball pretty far. But as
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as the hip got worse and worse, and apparently the
spine got worse and worse, you know, I was hitting
the golf ball with a seven about one hundred and
fifty five yards.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And and now God, but you know, fast forward to
all that you guys have done over there, and a
big shout out to Will for all his work in
the last few years. But now my my seven hands
almost up to one eight, which is.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
A little farther.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, ye had just a little bit, he had just
a tad. But you know, freedom of movement, but freedom
of pain is the biggest thing, because I can now
go practice, uh, you know, and play and not have
any kind of uh, you know, reverb from from doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I think I'd love for you to speak to you.
I think there's a lot of people listening that are
either maybe approaching to the point of meeting a drun
replacement or had the DRONT replacement obviously had the hip.
You know, I'd love for you to speak on a
little bit of what that was likely. We tried to
do a lot of you know, basically staving it off
as long as possible with the conservatives work. And but
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what was that process like once you kind of like
it's it's time, right, we were gonna get it replaced,
And then what was that like for you kind of
that surgical process and then obviously that the post post
op and getting back to playing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, great question, and uh, I don't even we're to
start with, uh with the answers to it, you know,
it was it's just been fantastic.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think just as you know, as we talked about,
I had was so limited, Uh, with my range emotion
what I could do, and I'm asking myself to uh
you know, to make a full, a full move at
everything under full pressure. And I'm competing, you know, so
I'm not like just playing recreational golf.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So part of the journey has been after the hip replacement.
I was telling somebody earlier today. Uh, I got it
replaced about three years ago, in October, like early like
October ninth. I believe I actually played in our season
ending pro pro tournament in early December, uh, about nine
weeks later.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And just for everybody listening, that is not normal.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, it's nicely.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I think that speaks to everything you did before.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, and that's what I was without the without the prehab,
if you will, without the understanding of what I needed
to do, I wouldn't have been able to do that
that quickly. And it's not really a timeline of doing
something quicker than you should, as much as when your
body's ready to. You know, my doctor told me I
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could not hurt my joint, my new one, So that
was obviously, uh, you know, a freeing kind of thing.
You know. The those first few swings were were definitely different.
I remember hitting about twenty five pitching wedges and being gassed.
It just it was like going whoa, It was just
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like the whole area. I don't know whether it was
just internally, uh you know, from a from a mind standpoint.
But but then once it got moving, they're going okay,
uh and fast forward. Since I've done extensive work personally
on on retraining all my muscles, uh in the hip area,
how to reactivate my glutes, my core even up into uh,
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into my scaps which control the club face so much.
From an instructional standpoint, I think it's an underrated thing
as far as clubcase club face control that a lot
of us instructors, uh you know, we miss. But because
my hip was so poor, I basically had to let
my hands come through impact and hit the ball. And
now I'm truly hitting the ball with my body. So thus,
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uh you know, one of the things will and I've
worked hard on, uh the last few years, is really
getting my scaps in position to be able to control
the club face, which is all the way down into
the grip and how I you know, have the pressure
in my hands to to hold on the club.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah. Can you can you elaborate. I think I think
a lot of people listening like absolutely you and I
know what that means. But to give.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
If you stand up a little bit when you're sitting down,
you know, you hold your hold your scaps back. You know,
you can see what my torso has done. It's it's
it's kind of gotten into posture. And if you get
in that posture and you just start rotating just a
little bit to the left and right, you can feel
your whole top of your spine, your thracic spine start
to move. If you if you're shrunk down, like you
know those of us that are at the desk a
little bit and you're kind of over the computer and
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you're typing away and then try to rotate, you'll you'll
notice the limitation there. So without the speed of the
thoracic spine, then your hands have to get more involved
to be able to hit the golf ball. And so
if you can get those scaps in control, uh you
know will And I work extensively on my left one
in particular to allow myself to clear better I'm a
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right handed golfer, uh so, or to allow myself to
clear quicker and cleaner. You know that just had to
be addressed. Uh, you know, a big way for me.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And yeah, I'd love for you to kind of highlight
for people that a little more detail about the rea.
I know I'll never forget whenever you come in. We'd
always obviously were working on left leg versus right leg,
and one leg was obviously way weaker, and I was
used to buster your balls about how which weaker the
one leg was, Oh, you can't get off the chair, Chris,
come on.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Man, a little work, but yeah, but just for somebody
who's going through like you've obviously had a very successful
replacement and then obviously post out or you've done phenomenally playing.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
At high level, for those that that listener who maybe
has a joint replacement coming or maybe the joint replacement
didn't go as they had hoped. Now, what would be
some of it if you had picked kind of the
top couple things that you did that you felt like
really contributed to you being successful, that you'd kind of, uh,
you know, bestow that knowledge in them.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, I would you know it would I kind of
go like this and uh, and you can certainly correct
me when I go off on this. But the glutes
being the strongest muscle for golf, the core providing stability,
you know, so you can rotate and maintain that stability
through you know, through the backs, wing into impact, and
through the finish and then like I just said, you know,
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up top of being able to control what the thoracic
spine's doing, you know, just one, two, three, to me
is kind of like the most important, even down to
like how I you know, you hold your legs at
a dress, how you engage your core at address. So
I think subconsciously, I shouldn't say I think. I know, subconsciously,
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our minds, you know, go into the path at least
resistance and in order to awaken those muscle groups, I think,
you know, lots of small controlled movements are really important,
but both with the golf club and like what you
guys do over there, you know, and they seem so
tedious and so you know, minuscule, like okay, let me
let me start moving the weight, you know, let me
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start doing this, and like you know, let's let's not
get ahead of ourselves. Let's just get the movement correct.
I remember one of them, you know, in the back
of the old place you're trying to give me to
hit my hinge, my hips, and that was like, oh
my gosh. I mean you and I were about on
the floor because I simply couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I never I was still laughing. I went home and
tell my wife about that. That was one of my
favorite I.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Could not do it. And here I am, you know
what I feel like. It's a fairly decent athlete, and
I kind of do some things. I kind of know
what needs to happen, and I couldn't do it. Uh,
And you were over there kind of like when I
get to teach people, I'm like going, all right, if
you tell them the obviously they can't do it, then
you got to go to the next, and you got
to go to the next, and then finally going like
all right, I've tried the three most obvious things to
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possibly get this guy to do what I need to do,
and he still can't do it. And then he starts
to searching the tool bag for like, okay, well you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Forced me to come up with like two or three
that I never even thought of before. We'll still use
them to this day now. So thank you. I owe you, actually.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And that's what I was going to say, that's the
great thing about what you guys doing, what we do
as golf instructors, is that being able to come up
with different ways to communicate because you know, after a while,
you know the language, you know where the club needs
to be, you know what this needs to do, and
but then being able to communicate and relate it to
people in the most simple forms, it becomes really the
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true way you communicate and teach people how to make
it their own.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, let's let's talk about that. There's had a lot
of proson and you know, we'll talk about how they
go through the physical assessment of people. I think the
thing I'd love for you to share is, because we've
obviously worked so closely on so many golfers, how has
it shaped, you know, in terms of giving a lot
of people don't know the opportunity to work with someone
like you right who understands the physical side and also
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is a phenomenal instructor. And what should they be looking
for when they're looking for an instructor? Maybe the better
question is how do you how do you approach that
as an instructor knowing what their body can or cannot do?
You know, when we've worked together with people obviously and
how does that influence how you approach things, maybe changes
priority of ways you do things with people very curiously
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to share insight for everyone listen.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I think there's uh, you know, a lot of
it comes down to goals, right, you know, you have
to know where the person, the player, their goals are,
where they are in the In the world of golf,
you know, we do some cursory you know, assessments of
you know, physical can you do this? My asking you
to do something you know you can't do, because that's
not fair, And that's the quickest referral back to to
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you guys like, hey, you know, I got this person
and they they can't do this, yeah, and uh, you know,
and we.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Need them to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
In fact, I just got finished with a lesson with
with a fellow who had been over there. Phil had
been over there quite a few times and and you know,
he simply couldn't move his hip in the right way.
And I knew we had no pun intended, but a
real block. And so as as we got that block
straightened out, that allowed us to get further into you know,
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what he needed to do with his swing. And I
think from from the other side of it. I got
a fun story to relate to you. Uh, and everybody
listening is uh. I was on the back. I grew
up down in Pinehurst, and so I was blessed to
be around people that were just, I mean, phenomenal in
the world of golf and uh. And they went on
to you know, to do things that are extraordinary. But
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I was on the back porch, uh looking over number
two one day and uh, and Don Pageant was out there,
and and Don Pageant was was saying to me because
he knew I wanted to play golf, and you know,
I was pretty good at it, and he wanted me to, uh,
you know, to play professionally. And he said, Chris, let
me tell you something. Anytime, you know, one of those
old guys stops and says, let me tell you something.
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You listen your heart. What's he gonna say? Well, first,
I do something wrong, but uh, but he said, let
me tell you when as long as you know the
why of what you're doing, you're going to be able
to communicate it as an instructor. But then also he said,
as a as a player, as a as a less
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and taker, you need to know the why somebody is
telling you what to do, and that has resonated with
me and it's become kind of part of my teaching
philosophy through the years because I think if you know
the why as a as a lesson taker, then you
can start figuring out whether you've got the right instructor,
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because I think a lot of times what happens is
people go take golf lessons and when they come back
to us over here precision, you know, Robert, myself, justin
whoever else, and and they don't know the reason why
somebody was changing something, then they may not have gotten
what they needed from that other person. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So we see it in the fitness side too. You
know people doing random crap and you're like, why do
you do that? Exercise? Right?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So Instagram, Yeah, well well on Instagram and YouTube are
our favorite. Uh you know, job security holders. Really they
keep us in business. Somebody, young girl I teach down
down in Pine if she comes up a little bit
and her dad send me a text to the other
day said hey, I'm gonna get the swing sticks or
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speed sticks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, go on, let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I got some other ideas I got. I got some
of the things you can spend your money on let's
tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Exactly, well, but not only is it's not really to me,
it's like most people don't. It's not about the money.
It's about getting to the end of what you're trying
to do. And it's like, you know, how can you,
you know, get the process as sharp as you can
in order to accomplish the goal as you want, and
you know, you got to go run through the process,
you know, set out the plan, run the process, just
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like a businessman would you know, have projected numbers, have
the actual numbers, and find you know, the shortfalls. Like
that's basically what we try to do.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, And I feel like to your point in talking
about that, the gentleman who texted it, I feel like
sometimes when people are as humans, I think we have
to constantly be minded of the why and what that
plan is and what that process is, because I think
sometimes we get like, you know, a d D and
it's just like, hey, I just need activity doing something
that I think and and then it's just energy just
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going any which way and not directed in you know,
on a vector towards the goal. And I think I
think that to me is one of the things that
I respect and love about what you and Robert and
everybody at Precision did. There's always a why, there's always
a direction that I can confidently say, there's not it
is not uniform that every instructor that works with somebody
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that we work with will communicate clearly what they're working
on or you know, with us, so that we can
make sure you know that everything we do is is supported, uh,
you know for that for that athlete. So I mean
it's definitely it's sun that we've seen you guys, do
you know put in action? And yeah, I think in
terms of speaking of like what you guys are doing
with clients and you in particular, like when you have
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somebody come to you, you know, particularly now that you've
gone through a lot of the physical stuff yourself right
with the hip and just obviously gotten back to playing
in the high level again, what's you know, if you
think about like how you looked at a student ten
years ago when they would come to you to get
better versus today, what's changed? You know? Obviously in the
physical side, there's been a lot of technology and differences,
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and then obviously just instructionally between you force plates and
launch monitors and like for you in the last ten years,
what have been some of the big changes that have
influenced how you approach it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, interesting, you say that, I was. I would suggest
one of them would be the the more like you said,
add like almost the more instant gratification that the client
is looking for. They're looking for a fix now, they're
looking for something they don't have to work at.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You. You don't have those just on the shelf, just
ready to hand out.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, we have four them right over here. They would
cost us some money, but you can mind. But no,
it's it's interesting because I would say in the last
even go back in the last twenty years. Robert and
I have been teaching the other twenty five years together. Yeah,
it really is. It's like an old marriage, if you will.
But the one thing that's failed true, I'll make a
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little tangent. One thing that's held true is that the
people we've taught that have gotten to the highest level
simply do one thing, and that's they play more golf.
The more you play, the more you get in situations,
the more you learn how to react and handle different situations.
So that's been the one commonality of all the I
think we've had about one hundred and fifty to sixty
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girls and guys. We've you know, helped get college scholarships
through the years, you know, I mean, just looking through it,
I think, you know, we did some cursory numbers. I
think it's been something silly like ten million dollars worth
of you know, college scholarship money. We've helped you know,
kids get through the years. And it's but it's changed now.
It's a good question there.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Did you guys adjust it for the years in which
though I mean twenty five years, you know, if you
adjust what was awarded and let's say, you know, two thousand,
that's actually more money today, So you should do it
in today's dollars. Just Mark Marketing thought, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well, okay, well we'll get We'll get your marketing people
that are clearly sharper than ours on it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
In today's dollars, we've got we've got two billion. It's compelling.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But I think the biggest thing that's changed is the
is the gratification of the people, which is which has
lend us to you know, make sure that the technology
that we use is sharper, make sure we can corroborate
it easier. Uh and quicker, and then I also think,
uh again, it kind of ties and dovetails back to
my personal journey with it, which is, you know, just
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part of part of what we've done is like, okay,
can the person move right?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
As I said earlier, it's like, uh, you know, if
we're asking as instructors for somebody to do something they can't,
well that's wrong, you know, and we've got to make
sure that they can. You know, is there a reason
why you know this this guy comes over the top
or does this or that? Because if they do, then okay,
well that's the easy part. But really getting down to okay,
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what's what's what's causing it?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And when you have somebody who you know has a
clear physical limitation that maybe is causing something you're trying
to address in the golf swing, what's the like the
threshold where you're like, okay, this is too much physical.
We got to address it versus right, and we can
work around this like what's yeah is it?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well again it goes back to the goals, right, So
if it's a recreational golfer that wants to you know,
simply hit it a little bit further, hit it a
little bit straighter. You know, I think there's always margins there,
you know, inside of uh. You know, we'll just say uh,
because we're talking about the hip, you know, margins of Okay,
can I aim the person right? Can I turn the
right foot out? Can I get them just to just
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to move more? And see where the tolerance is because
so many people when they start hitting the golf ball bat,
I think internally they go, oh, I better stay still,
I better stay down, I better not move going well, yeah,
but that's the reason why the ball is going short
and right all the time, you know. So some of
it's just trying to really get a high level of
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communication with people so they can understand what they're attempting
to do and tell themselves versus what they should and
shouldn't do. And then it's like the highest level players
that we teach, then it becomes okay, how much of
the biomechanics is influencing you know this because their mechanics
from a swing standpoint, short game and everything else are
so high. You know, we don't need to focus necessarily
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on that we're talking about. Is there setup is added
in position?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Are your clubs you know, one hundred percent correct all
the different variables we try to, you know, get those
knocked out. It's like, okay, we just got to get
you stronger. We got to get this part better. You know,
I'm anxious to I've got one one young man I
teach in particular, who I know I've got to get
over to you and I've got to have that conversation
with his dad soon. And I know it's going to
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be with a little bit of resistance, but it's like, going,
this kid's going to be dynamite. But it's like, Okay,
he's gonna I mean, he's gonna there's gonna be a
little bit of a come to Jesus meeting going like okay,
because we're pushing up, we're pushing the envelope. Yeah, I mean,
I know we're we're redlining. That was one of the
words that you turned with me, Like Okay, we want
to get to that red line, but we can't go over.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The longer you're sitting at the red line, something.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Bad or more bad things gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
You bring up the young gentleman and say, I know
you've done you with the pk B Tour, which I
definitely want to get into I think as a you know,
an intro to that talking about development of the younger player,
because you obviously do a lot of that. You have
the tour, which is an absolute avenue for those kids
to play and develop and get to college. What is
how has that journey changed, you know, over the last
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ten years for you guys as instructors in terms of
developing the talent. I mean, you guys are definitely one
of the at the forefront of from what I have seen,
is the one of some of the most of the
talent that I've seen about, particularly honestly on the girl's
side and with the pk B you know tour as well.
But how have you I'm assuming that there's been some
big changes there. Obviously all the social influence and social
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media influences to you know, YouTube, and I mean I
just see obviously on our side, the speeds of these
kids there's ridiculous now even compared to five years ago.
But what what what are you guys, what are you
seeing on that junior development front?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, I think it's uh, it's a lot of like
what we've just seen in general. I think it's people
are are are not afraid to hit it hard, and
hit it far and then figure out straight, you know,
straight later. I think straight was the first uh you know,
first thing we did back when I grew up. In fact,
I was I seen the other day. I grew up
on one hundred and fifty yard shag range and the goal.
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The goal was to guess what hit all the balls
in the same place. Because you hit them all the
balls the same place, you don't have to walk so
far to.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Pick them to pick them all up. Yeah, right, So it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Was obviously okay, we wanted the ball to go straight.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And now we got robots to pick it all up,
so let them rest exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Now we don't even have to have people in the
in the in the little you know robot. We just said,
here we go. But uh but now it's uh, you know,
it's hit ball far first. In fact, I was playing
in our one hundredth annual CPGA Caroline Is opened down
at Myers Park, uh in Charlotte earlier this year, and
last hole was a five hundred and five yard five
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hundred and four yard par four, which you know, for
fifty five year old was a pretty healthy part four
man I had. I had a really good drive out there.
I think I hit it, I don't know about three
hundred and ten yards or so, so I had about
you know whatever, it was one hundred and eighty five
yards in one undred and ninety yards in whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Or seven iron now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Anyway, So the kids from me SeeU that I was
playing with, he had about one hundred and twenty six
yards in Jesus, you know, we're playing the same golf turm.
I going, hey, wow, this is cool. Of course I
hit it on the green, hitting a bunker, I made
a power, he made a bogie. But the end that's
here or there, But it is uh, it is speed first,
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and I think again, it bounces back to you guys,
and it'll be interesting to see if you if you
take your question and go ten years from now, or
are the kids that are younger, are they able to
sustain this? Are they going to be able to play
for the longevity of time? Because if you look back again,
you flash backwards. People played forever at high levels and
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now you know it's like if you don't have that
flash now and you're not really good now, super extraordinary,
then you know, well then you're not going to necessarily
get out where you want to be. Then get there,
then you're having to push your body and everything else
so hard, you know, and how sustainable is that?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, I think it's It's an interesting point you bring
up because I think if you look at you know,
when Jack and Arnie, you know, those guys that were
there forever like they were, aren't playing thirty to forty
junior events from the time they were ten years old,
traveling around the country. So I mean you start looking
at by the time a kid gets to the PGA
tour at the early twenties, they've already had a decade
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career essentially travel and you know, all that sort of
and then and now they're at the professional level. And
I think so I think when you start talking about longevity,
that definitely plays into it. We see that all the time.
These guys get to the you know, twenty four to
twenty seven year old range years Ala Taurus's you know, oh,
I'm sure is going to happen to him at some
point too. With you know, just they don't they they
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are these long, stringy guys. They go really fast. At
some point, you know, mid twenties, those vertebrae kind of
solidify a little bit where they're going to be and
all that side bend gets them in trouble and they
don't have the physicality to support what they're doing. And
you know, you know, you bringing the travel and all
the other stuff not factors. But I think to your point,
the big massive speed games that we've seen in the
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last ten years, in a way, I think we're almost
in a renaissance of speed in just terms of the
understanding and the clarity that's been gained. Forget the last
ten years, in the last five years with the advent
of force plates becoming you know, they're not obviously not
readily available, but you know, the places like us, we
have two sets of them, and it's like we can
learn on them, and they're definitely there's commercial places where
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they people can get on them and learn about their forces.
And not just the consumer the golfer listening right now,
but more so the pros right the fitness, the medical guys,
the instructors, Like we know, way, I can tell you
how to get speed way better now than I could
five years ago. I'm gonna be able to look at
your metrics. I'm okay, it's a math problem, this this
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and this, and let's do some physical testing. Okay, yep,
that's your superpower. That's what we're going to do there.
Like okay, so and I can tell you, hey, you
want to swing one thirty, Well, this is the amount
of hip internal rotation you need. This is the amount
you need to be able to squat the bench in
order to be able to do it safely, like you know,
we can. It's almost formulaic at this point, and I'm
sure in five years will be even more formulaic. That's
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why I really think, you know, when you say, like
another ten years, will that have been this big of
a shift, I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe this is
just a massive spike in the speed world and then
it'll kind of level. But you know, it's definitely been
a massive change that I've seen in the last decade,
but in particular the last five years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I also know from from competing as well. Uh, there's
you know, I got to keep up with who I'm
playing with exactly, and I think there's a you know,
for lack of a better way, say alpha male, alpha
female if you will, and if if you know, if
if Sally's hitting at ten yards past me, I got
to catch up a Sally, you know, I remember some
of my longest drives, you know, back in the day
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are in competition because I'm just trying to I'm trying
to keep up. Yeah, you know, i can't be left behind.
And so I think there's a little bit of that
animal instinct if you will, that you know that you're
having to.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
In speaking of the competition, let's talk about the PGAP
tour and how are you I mean, how has that
been adapting to the you know, more and more girls playing.
Obviously they're hitting it farther the skill levels I would
imagine at least from what we see coming through our
facility or increasing. Let's talk about I'd love to hear
more about that and kind of.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You know, Robert came up with the idea, I want
to say, I think it's seventeen years ago by now,
and the idea was simply to get girls, girls a
place to play. It was the idea was to get
girls first in competition. I think he and Mike Parker
came up with the idea of having you know, basically
yarded based divisions rather than age divisions. And the yardage
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based divisions allowed somebody who would say, hypothetically twelve or
thirteen to hit the ball far, to play in a
higher level versus a say, a sixteen year old who
had just kind of started playing at a at a
shorter yardage, and that allowed, you know, the girls to
kind of morph in together, so that sixteen year old
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just starting wasn't so intimidated where they could keep playing
learn the game, and there was enough kind of like
the mia hamm uh soccer phenomenon, there was this golf
phenomenon that happened, and I think we hit it right
as as you said, a spike. We spiked it right
at the perfect timing because girls wanted to play golf.
It was almost like right after kind of the Tiger
(31:16):
Woods boom had kind of fallen. But then, hey, where
are the girls? And so so this whole concept came
about just like at a at a perfect time, and uh,
you know, it's been nothing but great in the sense
of it's given so many girls college scholarships, opportunities for leadership.
You know, I mean, just forget about the golf for
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a minute. Just their their leadership, their self confidence, their
their decision making. You know, we go back to some
of the stuff that pay you Kirk Bell taught me
through the years growing up. And you know, one of
the things that she always wanted to do in the
golfer is was have have an experience for the ladies.
So you know, you get out and you learn golf
and whatever else, but you also have the the social
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aspect of it, and that's been a big, a big
thing moving forward. So the girls, you know, they're not
the last off behind all the boys in the tournament,
they're first off, their their last to finish because the
leaders are finishing last and that type of thing. So, uh,
you know, golly, I think we're I mean, we're hit
holding golf tournaments in like sixteen different states. Now we're
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basically nationwide. Uh you know, we're we're still looking for
uh and I think we will get it within the
next couple of years, a full nationwide uh you know
tour that's going to do nothing but continue to grow.
Uh you know that aspect of the game.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, it's been absolutely I think really it's been really
cool for us for me to watch as personally you
haven't been involved her in the early early days and
then yeah, seeing you got absolutely to grow it and
what have you seen in terms of you know, for
any of any of the parents of juniors that are listening,
like in terms of advice or tips to them or
changes that things that matter now that maybe they wouldn't
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be aware of kind of what would be some some
thoughts you could give parents that are listening in terms
of how to get their kid to that next level
of you know, playing in college. Right.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, I think, uh, one of one of the slides
that uh, when Mike Parker and I have gone around
and you know, peddled our our Peggy Kirk Bell Tour
to some sponsors in the past. Uh, you know, we
we kind of called it the missing link. And before
the tour there was basically a missing link. There were
these different whether it's high school girls golf or junior
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tours or that were scattered or or whatever, but there
was no real stepping stone, if you will, to what's
now the cemeter or the LPGA Tour. And so now
inside the you know, our Peggy Kirk Tour, we've got
a Discovery division. Uh, we've got a futures, a prep
and a Bell division.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So you know we've got to wh what are Can
you just explain what those are for everybody listening.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Maybe, Yeah, the the Discovery is basically nine holes, as
it says, this Discovery of Golf, if you will, you know,
nine holes, it's uh, you know, i'd call it fun
because we're just learning how to do this. The Future
division usually ends up about fifty two hundred yards or so,
so it's a classic kind of you know, forward red
tea type of yardage. The Prep division is about fifty
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five to fifty six hundred yards. They're kind of prepping
the girls for the collegiate yardage, which is the Bell division,
and that's about a sixty one hundred yard you know,
experience and so inside, like I said before, like if
people are starting out at different levels, they can fit
into the yardage model much better than they could if
they're you know, fifteen and going, Okay, I got to
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keep up with this twelve year old phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
That's you know.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I remember, like Gena Kim, I used to work with
Gina and she was just here today and you know,
here goes Gina and you know she's she's thirteen years
old and she can beat the socks about everybody. Yeah,
you know, so if I had a fifteen year old
that I taught and like going, let's not put her
out with Gina, because that's not that's not gonna be
good for either.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But as far as your question goes, it's a roundabout answer.
But you know, I think the thing I would do
if I was a parent right now is I would
find a good golf instructor that that can help, you know,
develop a roadmap, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
To success.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And part of the roadmap is is learning that there's
more than high school golf. I think that's important that
you know that high school golf is not going to
get you recruited into college. I think that's one of
the biggest misconceptions that a lot of you know, we'll
just say young parents have with you know, both boys
and girls getting into end of the game.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, for sure. And for everyone listening in terms of
the when you said, like a good instructor, can you
just elaborate for them, just particularly you know, speaking for
the young parents, let's let's de bundle that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Wow, that's a yeah, it's why did you ask me
that question?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Because it's my podcast and I can Chris, well, it's well,
it's starting that pays attention. But if you'd say, like
your top three things that you feel like maybe not
and maybe a little free phrase it what are the
top three things that you would want a parent to
ask you if they were interviewing you as a as
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a golf start.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I want to most important things you would do well?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I would I you know, I want them to ask,
you know, what are you know what? I want them
to tell me what their goals are? And I think
truly is it your goal is a parent or is
it your goal is your daughter or son? Because that's
a difference there.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
So tip one, A good instructor will ask your child
what their goal is. Not you got okay? So there's
our first one.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And then uh, and then differentiate between the two. You know,
Robert and I used to we called it the Wallish
Wall of fame up here on the inside of our
studio here and we would you know, not you know, objectively,
but you know, theoretically have have the pictures of the
parents up there who joined the wall, and as you know,
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we have a three floor building by now if we
had everybody up there. But you know, I think the
parents that that asks the good questions are are asking
about you know, things like you know, am I well
Sometimes a lot of times least at least on our
level right now is what we'll get people who've already played.
We're not getting a beginning golfer, so they already have
(37:24):
some experience. So sometimes we're getting people that are coming
for second opinions or like, you know, hey, you know,
I'm kind of running into like I'm doing the same
thing for a while here, not stu Im getting where
I want to get. And that's and that's surely why
we have people that leave us to go to other
instructors as well. It's like, you know, hearing different voice
sometimes the same thing from different voices is huge, but
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I'll go back to the same thing we started earlier.
It's like, you know, what's the why, what are the goals,
and then trying to figure out the process of how
to get there. I think most parents don't realize how
long it takes to get good. I don't think they
they realize that it's that everybody's not going to be
(38:09):
you know, the next GENI came or the next Michael
Jordan right now. That it does take time, you know,
Gobby and back to you know, dovetail back to you know,
my experience. I mean it has taken me, you know,
three years now to be able to really start gaining complete,
almost complete control over what I'm physically doing because it's
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just different, and people don't realize that it's uh, you know,
it's it's it's literally a it's a journey.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, well, I think it's such a cool dovetell you
just made there. You know, we've we've obviously covered a
wide variety of topics from joint replacements and kind of
the older golfer to you know, going to college and
the younger junior golfer. But I think that the common
thread that I'm hearing just a draw out for listening,
is there always needs to be a plan. We need
to know what the goals are, and we need to
(39:02):
understand why the you know, why we're going to do
what we need to do, what we're doing, Why are
we doing what we're doing, and how is that going
to get us to the goal, whether that's you know,
from a joint replacement or trying to get to college.
And I think that's what I hear. What I respect
them a ton of the like to the moon of
you and Robert is really the understanding of what is
(39:22):
you guys do that process and take that time to
do that with everybody that comes in. It's not just
show they someone shows up, Hey, I'm I'm Chris, I'm
going to be your coach. All right, let's work on, Like,
let's just do this system. Like you know, there's an
actual interview process. There's a goal like like what are
we where do we want to go with this? Is
this a good fit? Uh? And then kind of a
(39:45):
plan and then I feel like that's, you know, regardless
if you're twelve or if you're you know, seventy five,
like that, when we want to get better at something,
and particularly obviously this is about golf and the body,
all of those common things need to be present.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, And I think just add one more piece of
that is that you know, to you know, make it
personal in the sense of developing friendships and relationships is
huge because it's not just I'm coming to get a
golf lesson. Uh, it's you know, you're you're coming to
to get yourself better. And I think you know, everybody
learns when their defenses are down. If your defenses are high, uh,
(40:23):
you know, we can't learn like you were joking about
earlier with me trying to you know, hinge my hips
back in the day, you know, as funny as that was, eventually,
you know, my brain got my defenses down to to
figure it out, you know. So it's it's a lot
like that. And I think, you know, the neuroscience of
how people learn is great. I think that's the you know,
(40:47):
the thing that I've noticed through all my years of
being around golf. Like I said, have been blessed to
be around it for a long long time, but but
just being able to watch how people go from you know, instructors,
this is instructors go from oh, here's the right swing plane,
here's this, here's the early extension, whatever they want to
(41:08):
say to Eventually all the good instructors go to, Okay, well,
this is how the mind is influencing this. You know,
this is this is actually what's going on. And then
when you get into when you start hearing that instructor
getting into that realm of things, you know that they
know and maybe this goes back to your question earlier,
then that instructor kind of knows that roadmap a little
(41:29):
bit deeper than not for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, Chris, I can't thank you enough man for spending
the time with me today. I know you're busy and
got to get back out to changing lives.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
But look more time.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, but for for people who want to follow you
in connect obviously we got the Peggy Kirk belt or
and then Precision Golf School. Where are you guys websites
social what's the best place for people.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
To follow you know, our website Precision Golf School dot com.
You know, certainly you can look us up on you know,
on Twitter, on x Instagram for sure as well. But
you know, come over and see us and uh, you know,
take a take a look, get a second opinion, and
you know, do that kind of thing, uh, because I
(42:14):
think that's always helpful. It certainly helped me through the
years of being able to, uh you know, take lessons
from different people and understand, you know, different ways to
do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And you know, as we close too, you know, I
just want to thank thank you and all your staff
for everything you guys have done, because you guys have
not only helped you know, me understand you know, personally
what I need to do, but professionally, uh, you know,
just have have just the volumes of knowledge and being
around you guys for the number of hours that I
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have is nothing but help me just improve everything, uh
that I've done, and I know you guys have collected
all the data on you know, everybody that's gone through
uh you know your facility, and that's done nothing but
allow you to get that formula you talked about earlier,
you know, literally down.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
To a science. I appreciate that, Chris, and saying right
back right back to you, brother, You've been a big
part of everything we've done here and appreciate everything you
and Robert and have done for us too. So so
we will put in the show notes everybody the links
for the p k B Tour Precision Golf School so
you can connect with Chris, Robert, all those guys over
there are awesome. And if you do have girls that
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are looking to play on a tour, it apparently is
coming to a city near you, no matter where you
are in the country, so look out for it. But
you know it's having been to those events and been
a part of them, their third top notch world class
and you know, as a as a father of a
nine year old daughter who hopefully will be able to
soon looking forward to her hopefully getting to get into
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those too. So thanks as always for everybody listening, hanging
out with me here on the golf of Just Bomb Squad,
hanging out with my buddy Chris. Hopefully you guys you
know we dropped a few knowledge bombs. I know Chris
dropped a number for me already today. So thanks as always, guys,
and we'll catch on the next episode. Chris.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Thanks
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I'm your host,
Chris Finn, and today I have probably my favorite other
Chris that I've ever met on the show with me,
Chris Harlowe from Precision Golf School. If you guys don't
know him, he's done some pretty amazing things. I'm gonna
try to flatter him. It's tough because the resume is
really long, so I'm just gonna try to pick a
(00:30):
few things. But so, Chris is here in North Carolina,
one of the earliest golf pros that I had the
privilege and pleasure of getting to meet and and kind
of come up with. He's a was a three time
All American in college. He played professionally for about six years.
He got to play us to Open and Oakmont. He
is the current reigning Player of the Year for the
(00:54):
CGA Carolina. Is CPGA Carolina is a professional golf association.
So he's all He can play his ball and he
knows a thing or two about the golf swing and
the body and uh So, anyway, without further ado, Chris,
welcome the show man. Super well.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Chris, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to
this for a while and I certainly have uh you know,
through the years, had had so much experience with you
guys over at par four and and everything. You guys
have helped me out so much, you know, personally and professionally,
just getting me to understand how how things mechanically work
in the body and how you know, personally I need
(01:31):
to uh need to improve myself.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, and we haven't been able to do that mentally
yet with both of us are still working on that
for each other, well physically in golf swing we got
each other you know, ying and yah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'll never forget. One of the first things we talked
about was when when my hip was was going bad. Uh,
we did the uh you know, the assessment, and and
the assessment showed that I was like, I think my
power outputs were something like say, thirty five to forty
percent and my speeds were like, you know, ninety to
ninety five percent. And you're like going, uh, you're in
(02:07):
in uh, we're in danger zone for a pretty good
injury here. Well we know where were injured.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, for you know, obviously,
I want to get into the instructional side and everything
you do with the PKB Tour and precision. But I
think where I want to what I'd love to start
is your journey personally, because I think it's kind of
a cool one that a lot of guys can relate to.
Particularly you obviously have had the hip replacement that you
and I know about. Nobody listening, you had no idea,
(02:33):
so you know, well spoiler alert, But I would love
to hear just about your journey. Obviously you're avery accomplished
player when you were younger, and then as you know,
as you've gotten older and you know, into this the
senior world, and like you've continued to be successful at
every level. And so I think it would be cool
for everybody to hear just to kind of or speak
(02:53):
to kind of what are the things that you've had
to do as your body's changed to continue to play
at such a high level.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, I've had to change a lot, which has been
good and bad. I think it comes from UH, I
just love competing, UH and I love UH. I love
pushing myself to to try to just compete at the
best level I can UH. And so along with that,
I'll give you a little background. I had a good
friend of mine Wendall Lamerson who was down in Ashboro,
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and I was having some trouble getting in and out
of a cart. And this was I'm guessing twelve years
ago by now, maybe even longer than that. And so
he stopped by one day and he found out that
I had like less than five percent of internal rotation
in my right hip and and my spine had like
fifty Yeah, that was tough, but my spine had like
(03:43):
fifty percent of mobility. And so so he obviously addressed
the spine first, uh, you know, just to try to
get that loosened up. And at the time, you know,
I was, I should say before uh, you know, I
was able to play pretty at a pretty good level,
was able to hit the ball pretty far. But as
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as the hip got worse and worse, and apparently the
spine got worse and worse, you know, I was hitting
the golf ball with a seven about one hundred and
fifty five yards.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And and now God, but you know, fast forward to
all that you guys have done over there, and a
big shout out to Will for all his work in
the last few years. But now my my seven hands
almost up to one eight, which is.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
A little farther.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, ye had just a little bit, he had just
a tad. But you know, freedom of movement, but freedom
of pain is the biggest thing, because I can now
go practice, uh, you know, and play and not have
any kind of uh, you know, reverb from from doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I think I'd love for you to speak to you.
I think there's a lot of people listening that are
either maybe approaching to the point of meeting a drun
replacement or had the DRONT replacement obviously had the hip.
You know, I'd love for you to speak on a
little bit of what that was likely. We tried to
do a lot of you know, basically staving it off
as long as possible with the conservatives work. And but
(05:06):
what was that process like once you kind of like
it's it's time, right, we were gonna get it replaced,
And then what was that like for you kind of
that surgical process and then obviously that the post post
op and getting back to playing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, great question, and uh, I don't even we're to
start with, uh with the answers to it, you know,
it was it's just been fantastic.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I think just as you know, as we talked about,
I had was so limited, Uh, with my range emotion
what I could do, and I'm asking myself to uh
you know, to make a full, a full move at
everything under full pressure. And I'm competing, you know, so
I'm not like just playing recreational golf.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So part of the journey has been after the hip replacement.
I was telling somebody earlier today. Uh, I got it
replaced about three years ago, in October, like early like
October ninth. I believe I actually played in our season
ending pro pro tournament in early December, uh, about nine
weeks later.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And just for everybody listening, that is not normal.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, it's nicely.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I think that speaks to everything you did before.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, and that's what I was without the without the prehab,
if you will, without the understanding of what I needed
to do, I wouldn't have been able to do that
that quickly. And it's not really a timeline of doing
something quicker than you should, as much as when your
body's ready to. You know, my doctor told me I
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could not hurt my joint, my new one, So that
was obviously, uh, you know, a freeing kind of thing.
You know. The those first few swings were were definitely different.
I remember hitting about twenty five pitching wedges and being gassed.
It just it was like going whoa, It was just
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like the whole area. I don't know whether it was
just internally, uh you know, from a from a mind standpoint.
But but then once it got moving, they're going okay,
uh and fast forward. Since I've done extensive work personally
on on retraining all my muscles, uh in the hip area,
how to reactivate my glutes, my core even up into uh,
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into my scaps which control the club face so much.
From an instructional standpoint, I think it's an underrated thing
as far as clubcase club face control that a lot
of us instructors, uh you know, we miss. But because
my hip was so poor, I basically had to let
my hands come through impact and hit the ball. And
now I'm truly hitting the ball with my body. So thus,
(07:40):
uh you know, one of the things will and I've
worked hard on, uh the last few years, is really
getting my scaps in position to be able to control
the club face, which is all the way down into
the grip and how I you know, have the pressure
in my hands to to hold on the club.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah. Can you can you elaborate. I think I think
a lot of people listening like absolutely you and I
know what that means. But to give.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
If you stand up a little bit when you're sitting down,
you know, you hold your hold your scaps back. You know,
you can see what my torso has done. It's it's
it's kind of gotten into posture. And if you get
in that posture and you just start rotating just a
little bit to the left and right, you can feel
your whole top of your spine, your thracic spine start
to move. If you if you're shrunk down, like you
know those of us that are at the desk a
little bit and you're kind of over the computer and
(08:23):
you're typing away and then try to rotate, you'll you'll
notice the limitation there. So without the speed of the
thoracic spine, then your hands have to get more involved
to be able to hit the golf ball. And so
if you can get those scaps in control, uh you
know will And I work extensively on my left one
in particular to allow myself to clear better I'm a
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right handed golfer, uh so, or to allow myself to
clear quicker and cleaner. You know that just had to
be addressed. Uh, you know, a big way for me.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And yeah, I'd love for you to kind of highlight
for people that a little more detail about the rea.
I know I'll never forget whenever you come in. We'd
always obviously were working on left leg versus right leg,
and one leg was obviously way weaker, and I was
used to buster your balls about how which weaker the
one leg was, Oh, you can't get off the chair, Chris,
come on.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Man, a little work, but yeah, but just for somebody
who's going through like you've obviously had a very successful
replacement and then obviously post out or you've done phenomenally playing.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
At high level, for those that that listener who maybe
has a joint replacement coming or maybe the joint replacement
didn't go as they had hoped. Now, what would be
some of it if you had picked kind of the
top couple things that you did that you felt like
really contributed to you being successful, that you'd kind of, uh,
you know, bestow that knowledge in them.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, I would you know it would I kind of
go like this and uh, and you can certainly correct
me when I go off on this. But the glutes
being the strongest muscle for golf, the core providing stability,
you know, so you can rotate and maintain that stability
through you know, through the backs, wing into impact, and
through the finish and then like I just said, you know,
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up top of being able to control what the thoracic
spine's doing, you know, just one, two, three, to me
is kind of like the most important, even down to
like how I you know, you hold your legs at
a dress, how you engage your core at address. So
I think subconsciously, I shouldn't say I think. I know, subconsciously,
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our minds, you know, go into the path at least
resistance and in order to awaken those muscle groups, I think,
you know, lots of small controlled movements are really important,
but both with the golf club and like what you
guys do over there, you know, and they seem so
tedious and so you know, minuscule, like okay, let me
let me start moving the weight, you know, let me
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start doing this, and like you know, let's let's not
get ahead of ourselves. Let's just get the movement correct.
I remember one of them, you know, in the back
of the old place you're trying to give me to
hit my hinge, my hips, and that was like, oh
my gosh. I mean you and I were about on
the floor because I simply couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I never I was still laughing. I went home and
tell my wife about that. That was one of my
favorite I.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Could not do it. And here I am, you know
what I feel like. It's a fairly decent athlete, and
I kind of do some things. I kind of know
what needs to happen, and I couldn't do it. Uh,
And you were over there kind of like when I
get to teach people, I'm like going, all right, if
you tell them the obviously they can't do it, then
you got to go to the next, and you got
to go to the next, and then finally going like
all right, I've tried the three most obvious things to
(11:36):
possibly get this guy to do what I need to do,
and he still can't do it. And then he starts
to searching the tool bag for like, okay, well you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Forced me to come up with like two or three
that I never even thought of before. We'll still use
them to this day now. So thank you. I owe you, actually.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And that's what I was going to say, that's the
great thing about what you guys doing, what we do
as golf instructors, is that being able to come up
with different ways to communicate because you know, after a while,
you know the language, you know where the club needs
to be, you know what this needs to do, and
but then being able to communicate and relate it to
people in the most simple forms, it becomes really the
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true way you communicate and teach people how to make
it their own.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, let's let's talk about that. There's had a lot
of proson and you know, we'll talk about how they
go through the physical assessment of people. I think the
thing I'd love for you to share is, because we've
obviously worked so closely on so many golfers, how has
it shaped, you know, in terms of giving a lot
of people don't know the opportunity to work with someone
like you right who understands the physical side and also
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is a phenomenal instructor. And what should they be looking
for when they're looking for an instructor? Maybe the better
question is how do you how do you approach that
as an instructor knowing what their body can or cannot do?
You know, when we've worked together with people obviously and
how does that influence how you approach things, maybe changes
priority of ways you do things with people very curiously
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to share insight for everyone listen.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I think there's uh, you know, a lot of
it comes down to goals, right, you know, you have
to know where the person, the player, their goals are,
where they are in the In the world of golf,
you know, we do some cursory you know, assessments of
you know, physical can you do this? My asking you
to do something you know you can't do, because that's
not fair, And that's the quickest referral back to to
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you guys like, hey, you know, I got this person
and they they can't do this, yeah, and uh, you know,
and we.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Need them to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
In fact, I just got finished with a lesson with
with a fellow who had been over there. Phil had
been over there quite a few times and and you know,
he simply couldn't move his hip in the right way.
And I knew we had no pun intended, but a
real block. And so as as we got that block
straightened out, that allowed us to get further into you know,
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what he needed to do with his swing. And I
think from from the other side of it. I got
a fun story to relate to you. Uh, and everybody
listening is uh. I was on the back. I grew
up down in Pinehurst, and so I was blessed to
be around people that were just, I mean, phenomenal in
the world of golf and uh. And they went on
to you know, to do things that are extraordinary. But
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I was on the back porch, uh looking over number
two one day and uh, and Don Pageant was out there,
and and Don Pageant was was saying to me because
he knew I wanted to play golf, and you know,
I was pretty good at it, and he wanted me to, uh,
you know, to play professionally. And he said, Chris, let
me tell you something. Anytime, you know, one of those
old guys stops and says, let me tell you something.
(14:37):
You listen your heart. What's he gonna say? Well, first,
I do something wrong, but uh, but he said, let
me tell you when as long as you know the
why of what you're doing, you're going to be able
to communicate it as an instructor. But then also he said,
as a as a player, as a as a less
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and taker, you need to know the why somebody is
telling you what to do, and that has resonated with
me and it's become kind of part of my teaching
philosophy through the years because I think if you know
the why as a as a lesson taker, then you
can start figuring out whether you've got the right instructor,
(15:21):
because I think a lot of times what happens is
people go take golf lessons and when they come back
to us over here precision, you know, Robert, myself, justin
whoever else, and and they don't know the reason why
somebody was changing something, then they may not have gotten
what they needed from that other person. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So we see it in the fitness side too. You
know people doing random crap and you're like, why do
you do that? Exercise? Right?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So Instagram, Yeah, well well on Instagram and YouTube are
our favorite. Uh you know, job security holders. Really they
keep us in business. Somebody, young girl I teach down
down in Pine if she comes up a little bit
and her dad send me a text to the other
day said hey, I'm gonna get the swing sticks or
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speed sticks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, go on, let's not do that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I got some other ideas I got. I got some
of the things you can spend your money on let's
tell you.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Exactly, well, but not only is it's not really to me,
it's like most people don't. It's not about the money.
It's about getting to the end of what you're trying
to do. And it's like, you know, how can you,
you know, get the process as sharp as you can
in order to accomplish the goal as you want, and
you know, you got to go run through the process,
you know, set out the plan, run the process, just
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like a businessman would you know, have projected numbers, have
the actual numbers, and find you know, the shortfalls. Like
that's basically what we try to do.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, And I feel like to your point in talking
about that, the gentleman who texted it, I feel like
sometimes when people are as humans, I think we have
to constantly be minded of the why and what that
plan is and what that process is, because I think
sometimes we get like, you know, a d D and
it's just like, hey, I just need activity doing something
that I think and and then it's just energy just
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going any which way and not directed in you know,
on a vector towards the goal. And I think I
think that to me is one of the things that
I respect and love about what you and Robert and
everybody at Precision did. There's always a why, there's always
a direction that I can confidently say, there's not it
is not uniform that every instructor that works with somebody
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that we work with will communicate clearly what they're working
on or you know, with us, so that we can
make sure you know that everything we do is is supported, uh,
you know for that for that athlete. So I mean
it's definitely it's sun that we've seen you guys, do
you know put in action? And yeah, I think in
terms of speaking of like what you guys are doing
with clients and you in particular, like when you have
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somebody come to you, you know, particularly now that you've
gone through a lot of the physical stuff yourself right
with the hip and just obviously gotten back to playing
in the high level again, what's you know, if you
think about like how you looked at a student ten
years ago when they would come to you to get
better versus today, what's changed? You know? Obviously in the
physical side, there's been a lot of technology and differences,
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and then obviously just instructionally between you force plates and
launch monitors and like for you in the last ten years,
what have been some of the big changes that have
influenced how you approach it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, interesting, you say that, I was. I would suggest
one of them would be the the more like you said,
add like almost the more instant gratification that the client
is looking for. They're looking for a fix now, they're
looking for something they don't have to work at.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You. You don't have those just on the shelf, just
ready to hand out.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, we have four them right over here. They would
cost us some money, but you can mind. But no,
it's it's interesting because I would say in the last
even go back in the last twenty years. Robert and
I have been teaching the other twenty five years together. Yeah,
it really is. It's like an old marriage, if you will.
But the one thing that's failed true, I'll make a
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little tangent. One thing that's held true is that the
people we've taught that have gotten to the highest level
simply do one thing, and that's they play more golf.
The more you play, the more you get in situations,
the more you learn how to react and handle different situations.
So that's been the one commonality of all the I
think we've had about one hundred and fifty to sixty
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girls and guys. We've you know, helped get college scholarships
through the years, you know, I mean, just looking through it,
I think, you know, we did some cursory numbers. I
think it's been something silly like ten million dollars worth
of you know, college scholarship money. We've helped you know,
kids get through the years. And it's but it's changed now.
It's a good question there.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Did you guys adjust it for the years in which
though I mean twenty five years, you know, if you
adjust what was awarded and let's say, you know, two thousand,
that's actually more money today, So you should do it
in today's dollars. Just Mark Marketing thought, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Well, okay, well we'll get We'll get your marketing people
that are clearly sharper than ours on it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
In today's dollars, we've got we've got two billion. It's compelling.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But I think the biggest thing that's changed is the
is the gratification of the people, which is which has
lend us to you know, make sure that the technology
that we use is sharper, make sure we can corroborate
it easier. Uh and quicker, and then I also think,
uh again, it kind of ties and dovetails back to
my personal journey with it, which is, you know, just
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part of part of what we've done is like, okay,
can the person move right?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
As I said earlier, it's like, uh, you know, if
we're asking as instructors for somebody to do something they can't,
well that's wrong, you know, and we've got to make
sure that they can. You know, is there a reason
why you know this this guy comes over the top
or does this or that? Because if they do, then okay,
well that's the easy part. But really getting down to okay,
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what's what's what's causing it?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And when you have somebody who you know has a
clear physical limitation that maybe is causing something you're trying
to address in the golf swing, what's the like the
threshold where you're like, okay, this is too much physical.
We got to address it versus right, and we can
work around this like what's yeah is it?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well again it goes back to the goals, right, So
if it's a recreational golfer that wants to you know,
simply hit it a little bit further, hit it a
little bit straighter. You know, I think there's always margins there,
you know, inside of uh. You know, we'll just say uh,
because we're talking about the hip, you know, margins of Okay,
can I aim the person right? Can I turn the
right foot out? Can I get them just to just
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to move more? And see where the tolerance is because
so many people when they start hitting the golf ball bat,
I think internally they go, oh, I better stay still,
I better stay down, I better not move going well, yeah,
but that's the reason why the ball is going short
and right all the time, you know. So some of
it's just trying to really get a high level of
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communication with people so they can understand what they're attempting
to do and tell themselves versus what they should and
shouldn't do. And then it's like the highest level players
that we teach, then it becomes okay, how much of
the biomechanics is influencing you know this because their mechanics
from a swing standpoint, short game and everything else are
so high. You know, we don't need to focus necessarily
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on that we're talking about. Is there setup is added
in position?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Are your clubs you know, one hundred percent correct all
the different variables we try to, you know, get those
knocked out. It's like, okay, we just got to get
you stronger. We got to get this part better. You know,
I'm anxious to I've got one one young man I
teach in particular, who I know I've got to get
over to you and I've got to have that conversation
with his dad soon. And I know it's going to
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be with a little bit of resistance, but it's like, going,
this kid's going to be dynamite. But it's like, Okay,
he's gonna I mean, he's gonna there's gonna be a
little bit of a come to Jesus meeting going like okay,
because we're pushing up, we're pushing the envelope. Yeah, I mean,
I know we're we're redlining. That was one of the
words that you turned with me, Like Okay, we want
to get to that red line, but we can't go over.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The longer you're sitting at the red line, something.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Bad or more bad things gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
You bring up the young gentleman and say, I know
you've done you with the pk B Tour, which I
definitely want to get into I think as a you know,
an intro to that talking about development of the younger player,
because you obviously do a lot of that. You have
the tour, which is an absolute avenue for those kids
to play and develop and get to college. What is
how has that journey changed, you know, over the last
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ten years for you guys as instructors in terms of
developing the talent. I mean, you guys are definitely one
of the at the forefront of from what I have seen,
is the one of some of the most of the
talent that I've seen about, particularly honestly on the girl's
side and with the pk B you know tour as well.
But how have you I'm assuming that there's been some
big changes there. Obviously all the social influence and social
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media influences to you know, YouTube, and I mean I
just see obviously on our side, the speeds of these
kids there's ridiculous now even compared to five years ago.
But what what what are you guys, what are you
seeing on that junior development front?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, I think it's uh, it's a lot of like
what we've just seen in general. I think it's people
are are are not afraid to hit it hard, and
hit it far and then figure out straight, you know,
straight later. I think straight was the first uh you know,
first thing we did back when I grew up. In fact,
I was I seen the other day. I grew up
on one hundred and fifty yard shag range and the goal.
(24:49):
The goal was to guess what hit all the balls
in the same place. Because you hit them all the
balls the same place, you don't have to walk so
far to.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Pick them to pick them all up. Yeah, right, So it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Was obviously okay, we wanted the ball to go straight.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And now we got robots to pick it all up,
so let them rest exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Now we don't even have to have people in the
in the in the little you know robot. We just said,
here we go. But uh but now it's uh, you know,
it's hit ball far first. In fact, I was playing
in our one hundredth annual CPGA Caroline Is opened down
at Myers Park, uh in Charlotte earlier this year, and
last hole was a five hundred and five yard five
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hundred and four yard par four, which you know, for
fifty five year old was a pretty healthy part four
man I had. I had a really good drive out there.
I think I hit it, I don't know about three
hundred and ten yards or so, so I had about
you know whatever, it was one hundred and eighty five
yards in one undred and ninety yards in whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Or seven iron now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Anyway, So the kids from me SeeU that I was
playing with, he had about one hundred and twenty six
yards in Jesus, you know, we're playing the same golf turm.
I going, hey, wow, this is cool. Of course I
hit it on the green, hitting a bunker, I made
a power, he made a bogie. But the end that's
here or there, But it is uh, it is speed first,
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and I think again, it bounces back to you guys,
and it'll be interesting to see if you if you
take your question and go ten years from now, or
are the kids that are younger, are they able to
sustain this? Are they going to be able to play
for the longevity of time? Because if you look back again,
you flash backwards. People played forever at high levels and
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now you know it's like if you don't have that
flash now and you're not really good now, super extraordinary,
then you know, well then you're not going to necessarily
get out where you want to be. Then get there,
then you're having to push your body and everything else
so hard, you know, and how sustainable is that?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, I think it's It's an interesting point you bring
up because I think if you look at you know,
when Jack and Arnie, you know, those guys that were
there forever like they were, aren't playing thirty to forty
junior events from the time they were ten years old,
traveling around the country. So I mean you start looking
at by the time a kid gets to the PGA
tour at the early twenties, they've already had a decade
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career essentially travel and you know, all that sort of
and then and now they're at the professional level. And
I think so I think when you start talking about longevity,
that definitely plays into it. We see that all the time.
These guys get to the you know, twenty four to
twenty seven year old range years Ala Taurus's you know, oh,
I'm sure is going to happen to him at some
point too. With you know, just they don't they they
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are these long, stringy guys. They go really fast. At
some point, you know, mid twenties, those vertebrae kind of
solidify a little bit where they're going to be and
all that side bend gets them in trouble and they
don't have the physicality to support what they're doing. And
you know, you know, you bringing the travel and all
the other stuff not factors. But I think to your point,
the big massive speed games that we've seen in the
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last ten years, in a way, I think we're almost
in a renaissance of speed in just terms of the
understanding and the clarity that's been gained. Forget the last
ten years, in the last five years with the advent
of force plates becoming you know, they're not obviously not
readily available, but you know, the places like us, we
have two sets of them, and it's like we can
learn on them, and they're definitely there's commercial places where
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they people can get on them and learn about their forces.
And not just the consumer the golfer listening right now,
but more so the pros right the fitness, the medical guys,
the instructors, Like we know, way, I can tell you
how to get speed way better now than I could
five years ago. I'm gonna be able to look at
your metrics. I'm okay, it's a math problem, this this
(28:37):
and this, and let's do some physical testing. Okay, yep,
that's your superpower. That's what we're going to do there.
Like okay, so and I can tell you, hey, you
want to swing one thirty, Well, this is the amount
of hip internal rotation you need. This is the amount
you need to be able to squat the bench in
order to be able to do it safely, like you know,
we can. It's almost formulaic at this point, and I'm
sure in five years will be even more formulaic. That's
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why I really think, you know, when you say, like
another ten years, will that have been this big of
a shift, I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe this is
just a massive spike in the speed world and then
it'll kind of level. But you know, it's definitely been
a massive change that I've seen in the last decade,
but in particular the last five years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I also know from from competing as well. Uh, there's
you know, I got to keep up with who I'm
playing with exactly, and I think there's a you know,
for lack of a better way, say alpha male, alpha
female if you will, and if if you know, if
if Sally's hitting at ten yards past me, I got
to catch up a Sally, you know, I remember some
of my longest drives, you know, back in the day
(29:37):
are in competition because I'm just trying to I'm trying
to keep up. Yeah, you know, i can't be left behind.
And so I think there's a little bit of that
animal instinct if you will, that you know that you're
having to.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
In speaking of the competition, let's talk about the PGAP
tour and how are you I mean, how has that
been adapting to the you know, more and more girls playing.
Obviously they're hitting it farther the skill levels I would
imagine at least from what we see coming through our
facility or increasing. Let's talk about I'd love to hear
more about that and kind of.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You know, Robert came up with the idea, I want
to say, I think it's seventeen years ago by now,
and the idea was simply to get girls, girls a
place to play. It was the idea was to get
girls first in competition. I think he and Mike Parker
came up with the idea of having you know, basically
yarded based divisions rather than age divisions. And the yardage
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based divisions allowed somebody who would say, hypothetically twelve or
thirteen to hit the ball far, to play in a
higher level versus a say, a sixteen year old who
had just kind of started playing at a at a
shorter yardage, and that allowed, you know, the girls to
kind of morph in together, so that sixteen year old
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just starting wasn't so intimidated where they could keep playing
learn the game, and there was enough kind of like
the mia hamm uh soccer phenomenon, there was this golf
phenomenon that happened, and I think we hit it right
as as you said, a spike. We spiked it right
at the perfect timing because girls wanted to play golf.
It was almost like right after kind of the Tiger
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Woods boom had kind of fallen. But then, hey, where
are the girls? And so so this whole concept came
about just like at a at a perfect time, and uh,
you know, it's been nothing but great in the sense
of it's given so many girls college scholarships, opportunities for leadership.
You know, I mean, just forget about the golf for
(31:37):
a minute. Just their their leadership, their self confidence, their
their decision making. You know, we go back to some
of the stuff that pay you Kirk Bell taught me
through the years growing up. And you know, one of
the things that she always wanted to do in the
golfer is was have have an experience for the ladies.
So you know, you get out and you learn golf
and whatever else, but you also have the the social
(31:59):
aspect of it, and that's been a big, a big
thing moving forward. So the girls, you know, they're not
the last off behind all the boys in the tournament,
they're first off, their their last to finish because the
leaders are finishing last and that type of thing. So, uh,
you know, golly, I think we're I mean, we're hit
holding golf tournaments in like sixteen different states. Now we're
(32:20):
basically nationwide. Uh you know, we're we're still looking for
uh and I think we will get it within the
next couple of years, a full nationwide uh you know
tour that's going to do nothing but continue to grow.
Uh you know that aspect of the game.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, it's been absolutely I think really it's been really
cool for us for me to watch as personally you
haven't been involved her in the early early days and
then yeah, seeing you got absolutely to grow it and
what have you seen in terms of you know, for
any of any of the parents of juniors that are listening,
like in terms of advice or tips to them or
changes that things that matter now that maybe they wouldn't
(32:56):
be aware of kind of what would be some some
thoughts you could give parents that are listening in terms
of how to get their kid to that next level
of you know, playing in college. Right.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, I think, uh, one of one of the slides
that uh, when Mike Parker and I have gone around
and you know, peddled our our Peggy Kirk Bell Tour
to some sponsors in the past. Uh, you know, we
we kind of called it the missing link. And before
the tour there was basically a missing link. There were
these different whether it's high school girls golf or junior
(33:27):
tours or that were scattered or or whatever, but there
was no real stepping stone, if you will, to what's
now the cemeter or the LPGA Tour. And so now
inside the you know, our Peggy Kirk Tour, we've got
a Discovery division. Uh, we've got a futures, a prep
and a Bell division.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So you know we've got to wh what are Can
you just explain what those are for everybody listening.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Maybe, Yeah, the the Discovery is basically nine holes, as
it says, this Discovery of Golf, if you will, you know,
nine holes, it's uh, you know, i'd call it fun
because we're just learning how to do this. The Future
division usually ends up about fifty two hundred yards or so,
so it's a classic kind of you know, forward red
tea type of yardage. The Prep division is about fifty
(34:14):
five to fifty six hundred yards. They're kind of prepping
the girls for the collegiate yardage, which is the Bell division,
and that's about a sixty one hundred yard you know,
experience and so inside, like I said before, like if
people are starting out at different levels, they can fit
into the yardage model much better than they could if
they're you know, fifteen and going, Okay, I got to
(34:35):
keep up with this twelve year old phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
That's you know.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I remember, like Gena Kim, I used to work with
Gina and she was just here today and you know,
here goes Gina and you know she's she's thirteen years
old and she can beat the socks about everybody. Yeah,
you know, so if I had a fifteen year old
that I taught and like going, let's not put her
out with Gina, because that's not that's not gonna be
good for either.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But as far as your question goes, it's a roundabout answer.
But you know, I think the thing I would do
if I was a parent right now is I would
find a good golf instructor that that can help, you know,
develop a roadmap, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
To success.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And part of the roadmap is is learning that there's
more than high school golf. I think that's important that
you know that high school golf is not going to
get you recruited into college. I think that's one of
the biggest misconceptions that a lot of you know, we'll
just say young parents have with you know, both boys
and girls getting into end of the game.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, for sure. And for everyone listening in terms of
the when you said, like a good instructor, can you
just elaborate for them, just particularly you know, speaking for
the young parents, let's let's de bundle that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Wow, that's a yeah, it's why did you ask me
that question?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Because it's my podcast and I can Chris, well, it's well,
it's starting that pays attention. But if you'd say, like
your top three things that you feel like maybe not
and maybe a little free phrase it what are the
top three things that you would want a parent to
ask you if they were interviewing you as a as
(36:15):
a golf start.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I want to most important things you would do well?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I would I you know, I want them to ask,
you know, what are you know what? I want them
to tell me what their goals are? And I think
truly is it your goal is a parent or is
it your goal is your daughter or son? Because that's
a difference there.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
So tip one, A good instructor will ask your child
what their goal is. Not you got okay? So there's
our first one.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And then uh, and then differentiate between the two. You know,
Robert and I used to we called it the Wallish
Wall of fame up here on the inside of our
studio here and we would you know, not you know, objectively,
but you know, theoretically have have the pictures of the
parents up there who joined the wall, and as you know,
(37:02):
we have a three floor building by now if we
had everybody up there. But you know, I think the
parents that that asks the good questions are are asking
about you know, things like you know, am I well
Sometimes a lot of times least at least on our
level right now is what we'll get people who've already played.
We're not getting a beginning golfer, so they already have
(37:24):
some experience. So sometimes we're getting people that are coming
for second opinions or like, you know, hey, you know,
I'm kind of running into like I'm doing the same
thing for a while here, not stu Im getting where
I want to get. And that's and that's surely why
we have people that leave us to go to other
instructors as well. It's like, you know, hearing different voice
sometimes the same thing from different voices is huge, but
(37:47):
I'll go back to the same thing we started earlier.
It's like, you know, what's the why, what are the goals,
and then trying to figure out the process of how
to get there. I think most parents don't realize how
long it takes to get good. I don't think they
they realize that it's that everybody's not going to be
(38:09):
you know, the next GENI came or the next Michael
Jordan right now. That it does take time, you know,
Gobby and back to you know, dovetail back to you know,
my experience. I mean it has taken me, you know,
three years now to be able to really start gaining complete,
almost complete control over what I'm physically doing because it's
(38:32):
just different, and people don't realize that it's uh, you know,
it's it's it's literally a it's a journey.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, well, I think it's such a cool dovetell you
just made there. You know, we've we've obviously covered a
wide variety of topics from joint replacements and kind of
the older golfer to you know, going to college and
the younger junior golfer. But I think that the common
thread that I'm hearing just a draw out for listening,
is there always needs to be a plan. We need
to know what the goals are, and we need to
(39:02):
understand why the you know, why we're going to do
what we need to do, what we're doing, Why are
we doing what we're doing, and how is that going
to get us to the goal, whether that's you know,
from a joint replacement or trying to get to college.
And I think that's what I hear. What I respect
them a ton of the like to the moon of
you and Robert is really the understanding of what is
(39:22):
you guys do that process and take that time to
do that with everybody that comes in. It's not just
show they someone shows up, Hey, I'm I'm Chris, I'm
going to be your coach. All right, let's work on, Like,
let's just do this system. Like you know, there's an
actual interview process. There's a goal like like what are
we where do we want to go with this? Is
this a good fit? Uh? And then kind of a
(39:45):
plan and then I feel like that's, you know, regardless
if you're twelve or if you're you know, seventy five,
like that, when we want to get better at something,
and particularly obviously this is about golf and the body,
all of those common things need to be present.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, And I think just add one more piece of
that is that you know, to you know, make it
personal in the sense of developing friendships and relationships is
huge because it's not just I'm coming to get a
golf lesson. Uh, it's you know, you're you're coming to
to get yourself better. And I think you know, everybody
learns when their defenses are down. If your defenses are high, uh,
(40:23):
you know, we can't learn like you were joking about
earlier with me trying to you know, hinge my hips
back in the day, you know, as funny as that was, eventually,
you know, my brain got my defenses down to to
figure it out, you know. So it's it's a lot
like that. And I think, you know, the neuroscience of
how people learn is great. I think that's the you know,
(40:47):
the thing that I've noticed through all my years of
being around golf. Like I said, have been blessed to
be around it for a long long time, but but
just being able to watch how people go from you know, instructors,
this is instructors go from oh, here's the right swing plane,
here's this, here's the early extension, whatever they want to
(41:08):
say to Eventually all the good instructors go to, Okay, well,
this is how the mind is influencing this. You know,
this is this is actually what's going on. And then
when you get into when you start hearing that instructor
getting into that realm of things, you know that they
know and maybe this goes back to your question earlier,
then that instructor kind of knows that roadmap a little
(41:29):
bit deeper than not for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, Chris, I can't thank you enough man for spending
the time with me today. I know you're busy and
got to get back out to changing lives.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
But look more time.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, but for for people who want to follow you
in connect obviously we got the Peggy Kirk belt or
and then Precision Golf School. Where are you guys websites
social what's the best place for people.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
To follow you know, our website Precision Golf School dot com.
You know, certainly you can look us up on you know,
on Twitter, on x Instagram for sure as well. But
you know, come over and see us and uh, you know,
take a take a look, get a second opinion, and
you know, do that kind of thing, uh, because I
(42:14):
think that's always helpful. It certainly helped me through the
years of being able to, uh you know, take lessons
from different people and understand, you know, different ways to
do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And you know, as we close too, you know, I
just want to thank thank you and all your staff
for everything you guys have done, because you guys have
not only helped you know, me understand you know, personally
what I need to do, but professionally, uh, you know,
just have have just the volumes of knowledge and being
around you guys for the number of hours that I
(42:47):
have is nothing but help me just improve everything, uh
that I've done, and I know you guys have collected
all the data on you know, everybody that's gone through
uh you know your facility, and that's done nothing but
allow you to get that formula you talked about earlier,
you know, literally down.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
To a science. I appreciate that, Chris, and saying right
back right back to you, brother, You've been a big
part of everything we've done here and appreciate everything you
and Robert and have done for us too. So so
we will put in the show notes everybody the links
for the p k B Tour Precision Golf School so
you can connect with Chris, Robert, all those guys over
there are awesome. And if you do have girls that
(43:27):
are looking to play on a tour, it apparently is
coming to a city near you, no matter where you
are in the country, so look out for it. But
you know it's having been to those events and been
a part of them, their third top notch world class
and you know, as a as a father of a
nine year old daughter who hopefully will be able to
soon looking forward to her hopefully getting to get into
(43:48):
those too. So thanks as always for everybody listening, hanging
out with me here on the golf of Just Bomb Squad,
hanging out with my buddy Chris. Hopefully you guys you
know we dropped a few knowledge bombs. I know Chris
dropped a number for me already today. So thanks as always, guys,
and we'll catch on the next episode. Chris.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Thanks
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