The Not So Breakfast Show
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
Episodes
Episode 272
What happens when being “the smart one” becomes part of your identity? Apparently, you get very good at constructing brilliant arguments for ideas that may still be completely terrible.
This week, Ish and Sacha get into the uncomfortable gap between intelligence and good judgement. There’s ego, groupthink, sunk costs, Harvard-sized imposter syndrome, a $200 million floating movie set, and...
Episode 271
Ish arrives with a voice that sounds like it’s been dragged through gravel, but fortunately it’s not illness; it’s karaoke. Ten songs, a bit of Blues Brothers, and a final assault on Sweet Child O’ Mine will apparently do that to a man.
Once the vocal cords have been accounted for, we get into something most of us are probably terrible at: critical ignoring.Because between ...
Episode 270
This episode is about one of the most common promotion traps at work: taking the person who is brilliant at doing the job and assuming they’ll naturally be brilliant at leading everyone else who does it.
Ish and Sacha unpack why technical excellence and leadership ability are two very different things, why promotion has become the default way organisations reward high performers, and what ca...
Episode 269
Some people stay in a job for years. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re committed. They might just be comfortable, financially trapped, quietly checking Seek at lunchtime, or waiting for someone else to make the first move.
In this episode, Ish and Sacha ask whether you and your employer are actually committed to each other, or whether you’re in a full-blown work situationship. You&rsq...
Episode 268
In this episode, Ish and Sacha explore five things every leader should know about the people in their team, beyond names, roles and coffee orders.
They unpack why motivation is never one-size-fits-all, how leaders can unknowingly drain people, and why “just tell me straight” often means “tell me promptly, but please don’t remove all traces of kindness.”
The conversation also co...
Episode 267
Being good at your job is meant to be a good thing. Until everyone notices, starts sending everything your way, and your reward for being reliable is a to-do list that now requires its own project manager.
In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack the curse of being the capable one — why high performers get overloaded, why leaders keep defaulting to the same safe pair of hands, and how something that ini...
Episode 266
What do Rubik’s Cubes, children’s birthday cakes, startup pitch decks and a CEO with three envelopes have in common?
Quite a lot, apparently.
In this episode, Ish uses his hard-earned Rubik’s Cube mastery to explore how leaders solve problems. Sometimes we learn the process. Sometimes we copy someone else’s steps. Sometimes we outsource the whole thing. And sometimes we quietly rearr...
Episode 265
In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack some of the worst leadership advice that often gets dressed up as wisdom.
They start with the classic “don’t bring me problems, bring me solutions” and explore why that can shut down useful thinking if people haven’t properly defined the problem first. From there, they take aim at advice like “treat everyone the same,” “leave y...
Episode 264
Ever sat in a meeting and heard a very vague, slightly passive-aggressive comment float across the room… then spent the next ten minutes wondering, “Was that aimed at me?” Same!
In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack the weird little phrases we use at work to soften, dodge, delay, delegate, or quietly scream into the void. From “let’s circle back” to “as per my las...
Episode 263
In this episode, Ish and Sacha unpack the joy and occasional lumpiness of working with people who have different styles to your own. The conversation comes from real life, as they have recently been building a project together and noticing the little differences in how they think, plan, create, communicate, and get things over the line.
They talk about the difference between co-presenting, where they...
Episode 262
Ever had one of those moments where your mouth starts speaking before your brain has properly joined the meeting? Ish has. And, to be fair, most of us have. Especially when being quick, responsive, and “good in the moment” is part of what people value us for.
In this episode, Ish and Sacha get into fast brains, slow brains, gut instinct, airport security rage, AI-generated waffle, and why somet...
Episode 261: How to Stop Sounding Vague at Work
Ish and Sacha talk about how to stop sounding vague at work and start communicating with more intention, confidence, and cut-through.
They explore why people waffle, why fear makes us soften our opinions, and why “I was kind of thinking maybe…” rarely helps anyone make a good decision. Ish introduces practical ways to prepare before a conversation, inc...
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AI is coming in hot from every angle, at every speed. This week Ish and Sacha stop pretending they haven't noticed and have a proper chat about it. Are we thriving? Panicking? Accidentally writing back to Copilot like it's a colleague? (Yes. Yes we are.) From bullet trains in Tokyo to dancing cavoodles doing the Thriller, this is your weekly reminder that the robot revolution is already here and it's...
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Fresh off a full day of back-to-back presenting, Sacha shares the quiet technique that stopped an event organiser in their tracks.
It's not about projecting confidence. It's not about owning the room. It's about inviting people into yours.
Sacha calls it laying a virtual table, an openness, a conversational ease, a gentle "come, join me" energy that pulls an audience in rather than pushing yourse...
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Episode 259
What if the most important career training you ever got was standing behind a reception desk?
In this episode, Ish and Sacha dig into why customer service isn't just a job, it's a masterclass in human psychology, relationship building, and career development. Ish breaks down a recent training session he ran for a reception team, where he flipped the script from "here's how to smil...
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Topic: Work Ethic: Your Greatest Strength… or Your Biggest Trap?
We all love to say we’ve got a strong work ethic. It sounds impressive. It feels right. It’s basically a personality trait at this point.
But… what if that “great work ethic” is actually working against you?
In this episode, we get into the messy middle between working hard and working smar...
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Episode 257: The First 5 Minutes That Make or Break Your Presentation
We’re recording early, with Sacha dialling in at 6am in full Hugh Hefner-style pyjamas ahead of a big trip to Mexico
In classic Sacha fashion, preparation has gone deep… including discovering that Mexico City sits at 2,200+ metres above sea level (a slight difference from Queenstown 😅). So if altitude sickness hit...
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Stop Consuming—Start Controlling What You Can
This week’s mini is a full rant… and honestly, it hits.
With everything happening in the world right now, economic uncertainty, global conflict, constant updates, it’s easy to feel like you need to stay informed.
But here’s the truth: More information doesn’t always help.
In fact, it can leave you feeling more anxious and ...
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Episode 256: Busy or Avoiding? The Truth About Your Workload
We kick things off mid-real-life chaos, with Sacha juggling admin dramas , a perfect reminder that sometimes the small stuff can feel way bigger than it should.
And it sets the scene perfectly for today’s conversation…
👉 Are you actually busy… or are you avoiding the work that really matters?
In this episode, Ish and Sasha ...
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