The Not So Breakfast Show
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
Episodes
Midweek Mini – Mental Vaccination
What’s the worst that could happen?
No really. Write it down.
This Midweek Mini explores a concept used by high-performance athletes, military teams, and leadership groups: mental vaccination.
The idea is simple.
You deliberately imagine the worst-case scenarios so that if they happen, you’re already prepared.
- What if the market crashes?
- What if there’s a cyber attack?
- What if the p...
Episode 253 – Show Notes
Sacha starts the episode emotionally compromised.
Why?
Her headphones — her emotional support headphones — fell into the moat outside her front door.
Yes. There is a moat.
Once the mourning period passes, Ish and Sacha get into the real topic of the episode: business aphorisms — those short, punchy sayings that everyone repeats as if they’re universal truths.
But are they?
They unpack some...
Midweek Mini – Closing the Loop
Ever had a conversation… made a decision… and then forgot to tell the person who raised it?
This week’s Midweek Mini is about closing loops.
As leaders, parents, partners — we often resolve things internally.
But if we don’t communicate the outcome, the loop stays open for everyone else.
Open loops create uncertainty.
Uncertainty slows momentum.
And sometimes all it takes is a t...
Leadership styles. We all have one.
Or six.
Fresh from leadership camp, Ish and Sacha unpack the six classic leadership styles — and use some very recognisable global figures to bring them to life (brace yourself).
From directive and commanding… to coaching and democratic… to pace-setting, relationship-driven, and visionary — this episode explores what each style looks like at its best, and at its worst.
Spoiler: there is no...
Midweek Mini: Slow Down to Go Fast
A quick reminder that sometimes going slow makes you exponentially more efficient.
The Core Principle
Want to go fast at work building trust and relationships?
Slow down first.
How It Works
Take time to:
- Really understand the people you're working with
- Understand the person on other side of table/deal
- Ask better questions
- Get to know their motivations
- Look for what they're NOT sayin...
Not So Breakfast Show - Communication (The Number One Skill Leaders Want to Work On)
Sacha's back from the Dominican Republic (near Cuba, NOT Spain, despite Ish's geography) where her mum didn't research the location until after she'd left, then panicked. Meanwhile, Ish is prepping for Leadership Camp and reviewing pre-work responses - discovering yet again that the number one skill leaders want to ...
Not So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini: Focus Check-In (The Dump Day Follow-Up)
A quick midweek pause to audit where your attention actually is - and whether it's serving you or sabotaging you.
The Core Question
"Where is my focus right now?"
There's usually something in your brain controlling your attention, whether you're aware of it or not.
IS THIS SERVING ME?
Your focus is currently on something. May...
Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 250: Always Be Learning (ABL) - And Why Sacha Wears the Same Outfit All Week
Sacha's wearing the same outfit she wore yesterday (and will wear all week) following the Steve Jobs/Angela Merkel/Hillary Clinton uniform approach to reduce decision fatigue. Ish just learned this today after recording back-to-back sessions. This kicks off a conversation about ABL - Always Be Learning - explo...
Midweek Mini: Put Out the Match, Not the Bushfire
Hope is not a strategy. When you see that little flare of trouble in your team, process, or system, and you think "I hope that dies out on its own" - that's the moment to act. Three weeks later when you're fighting a bushfire, you'll wish you'd dealt with the match.
The Core Principle
Small conversations feel awkward because you're bringing...
Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 249: How to Be Agreeably Disagreeable
Sacha's experimenting with fake tan for the first time at nearly 53 (she looks like a giraffe's coat of many colors, according to her assessment), while Ish is fresh from the gym, sweaty and smelly (lucky they record on line). Today's topic: How do you disagree without becoming a career-limiting liability? How do you challenge ideas witho...
MWM - One-Shot Moments
Ish watched Ed Sheeran's Netflix special - one continuous hour-long shot following him from gig to gig across New York. No cuts, no edits, just seamless performance requiring massive preparation. It got him thinking: How many one-shot moments do we have in our lives where we just wing it instead of doing the prep that moment deserves?
Main Topic
The One-Shot Reality -- First impressions, crucial ...
Episode 248
It's Wednesday - traditionally "hump day" - but Sacha and Ish are rebranding it as "dump day" because they both have the minds of 12-year-old boys and can't get past the fornication implications. This episode is all about mental decluttering: getting the thoughts, tasks, and guilt out of your head so you can actually focus on what matters. From constipation metaphors to earthquake...
The Not So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini
Episode: What Is Your Shadow?
Episode Summary
Every strength has a shadow side. If Superman were evil, he'd have all his abilities but use them for harm. This quick mini explores the downside of your strengths—from being the idea person who never finishes anything, to being so helpful you burn out and resent everyone. The trick? Take micro-pauses to ask: Does this sit...
Episode Show Notes
Season 8 kicks off with Sacha unpacking boxes in her new Christchurch home (can't find her microphone lead!) and Ish fresh from the holidays. This episode tackles a question they get all the time: how do you speak without notes? They break down what notes actually are, when to use them (spoiler: funerals and podcasts), and why reading to your audience means you should have just sent an email. Plus...
Season 8 Announcement: Help Us Grow!
Happy New Year 2026! A quick message before Season 8 drops. We're excited to bring you more leadership, career development, and occasional chaos - but we need your help to grow the show.
Three Ways You Can Help:
- Share an Episode - If there's an episode you enjoyed, share it with one person who'd get a laugh or a takeaway. Seriously, this is the best way for us to reach...
Episode 246: Christmas Parties, Career-Limiting Moments & Season Seven Wrap-Up
Sacha's in her pyjamas in Raglan (it was Coffee Culture's "Oops, I'm at the Wrong Party" themed Christmas party a week ago, she's just still wearing them), while Ish is fresh off winning a dance-off at their ABBA vs Spice Girls costume showdown at music bingo. As they wrap season seven with 246 episodes, they d...
Episode 245 - Hustle Culture: Is Working Harder Still Worth It?
Episode Summary
Ish wins the Exercise New Zealand Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Fitness Industry (and wasn't even there!), while Sacha hustles across the South Island. This leads to a deep conversation about hustle culture, rise and grind mentality, and whether working harder actually gets you ahead anymore.
Plus: AI end of the world chat...
Midweek Mini - What's The One Thing For The Week?
Why One Thing? – You have 52 opportunities in a year to get one thing nailed each week. Clarity breeds genius.
Focus vs. Urgent – The one thing for the week isn't necessarily the most urgent thing—it's the meaningful longer-term thing that needs attention.
The Exercise – Dump everything that needs doing on paper, then identify the overarching focus that sums u...
The Not So Breakfast Show - Bad Words & Breaking Points
Sometimes you reach the end. The absolute end. Sacha is moving house, dealing with impossible transactions, and has just discovered the movers left three massive items behind. Ish is surprisingly recharged from mini-breaks and witnessing his co-host process what happens when resilience runs out. This is a raw, real conversation about those moments w...
MWM: Hope Is Not a Strategy
Every time you find yourself saying "I hope sales improve" or "I hope that changes," recognise that hope isn't a strategy - you're just gambling with other people's lives and your business outcomes. Join Ish and Sacha as they unpack this famous business school line (spoiler: Sacha didn't coin it, but she uses it brilliantly).
The Recognition Tool:
- Ever...
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