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August 29, 2025 73 mins

In this episode, Elise Loehnen explains why chasing goodness keeps us stuck and how to choose wholeness instead. For so many of us, the drive to be “good” shapes how we show up – as friends, partners, coworkers, even in how we speak to ourselves on hard days. But what does it cost us to live that way? Elise invites us to see that the real challenge isn’t to feed only the good wolf, but to become a whole wolf; one who integrates all parts of ourselves, even the ones we’d rather hide. She explores the hidden price of goodness, the surprising usefulness of envy, the roles we unconsciously inherit, and the stories that keep us small. This conversation will help you rethink what wholeness means and how embracing it can lead to a more authentic, empowered life.

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Key Takeaways:

  • Exploration of inner conflict and personal growth.
  • Discussion of the concept of wholeness versus goodness.
  • Examination of the parable of the two wolves and its implications for self-identity.
  • Reframing the seven deadly sins as energies rather than moral failings.
  • Identification of common obstacles to personal growth, such as self-doubt and emotional escapism.
  • Introduction of practical tools for recognizing and transforming personal narratives.
  • Importance of setting boundaries and learning to say no.
  • The role of envy as a complex emotion and its potential for self-discovery.
  • Discussion of the influence of cultural narratives on personal desires and behaviors.
  • Emphasis on flexibility in self-understanding and the ongoing journey of personal integration.


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