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August 8, 2025 45 mins

In this episode, Peter Singer explains why ethics and joy belong together. He offers a moral wake-up call as he shares his now-famous “drowning child” thought experiment: if we saw a child drowning right in front of us, we’d act without hesitation. So why do we so often fail to act when suffering is farther away?Peter challenges the idea that ethics is about rigid rules or self-denial. Instead, he argues that living ethically is a path to a more joyful and meaningful life. This conversation explores how generosity, purpose, and even activities done purely for pleasure—like surfing—can all be part of a good life.

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Key Takeaways:

  • [00:02:31] Ethical obligations in everyday life.
  • [00:06:45] Helping those in extreme poverty.
  • [00:10:46] Happiness and moral responsibility.
  • [00:11:45] Moral progress in civilization.
  • [00:16:12] Saving children from malaria.
  • [00:21:02] Measuring happiness effectively.
  • [00:25:02] Happiness and money connection.
  • [00:27:43] Personal identity and change.
  • [00:32:00] Spiritual path and personal satisfaction.
  • [00:43:05] Enjoying non-competitive activities.


If you enjoyed this conversation with Peter Singer, check out these other episodes:

Purposeful Living: Strategies to Align Your Values and Actions with Victor Strecher

How to Create a Life Strategy for Meaningful Change with Seth Godin

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