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October 20, 2025 40 mins

Chris Klein is the Co-Founder & CEO of Bitcoin IRA. In this conversation, we discuss how retirement investing is changing in the digital era, what people are actually doing inside their retirement accounts, and how the wealthy use these tools to grow their wealth faster. We also dive into broader topics like patriotism in America, macro trends, and the roles of gold, silver, stocks, and bitcoin in today’s economy.

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Timestamps:

  • 0:00 - Intro
  • 1:51 - Benefit of bitcoin in retirement accounts
  • 3:52 - Can bitcoin get to $180,000 by end of 2025?
  • 8:43 - Government shutdown and market impact
  • 12:37 - Financial literacy and retirement gap
  • 15:36 - Crypto staking in IRAs and what customers are investing in
  • 19:21 - How tokenization will impact IRAs and rise of retail
  • 22:20 - What are “Forgotten 401ks?”
  • 26:15 - Gold vs Bitcoin debate
  • 29:35 - Patriotism and division in America
  • 33:53 - Bitcoin as common ground
  • 37:20 - Bitcoin IRA promos
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