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April 3, 2025 28 mins

German businessman Joerg Wuttke has been an observer of China since the 1980s, watching it evolve from backwater to superpower. He talks to Gideon about US-China rivalry and how Europe can find its place as a trading partner to both powers. Clip: CNBC


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China launches large-scale military exercises around Taiwan

China’s Xi Jinping tells top global CEOs to use their influence to defend trade

China is suffering its own ‘China shock’

BASF’s Joerg Wuttke: ‘The essence of China is this warrior’


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