The Rest Is Money

The Rest Is Money

Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market. Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic landscape. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com.

Episodes

248. How Iran’s uprising has been driven by economic failure

February 1, 2026 • 53 mins
How is the mass civil unrest in Iran, and the brutal killing of protestors, linked to the collapse of living standards? Why have Western sanctions been a blunt tool? And how rife is corruption in the Tehran regime? In this episode, Steph and Robert examine whether there is a route back to freedom and prosperity for Iran. Esfandyar Batmanghelidj, Founder and CEO of the Bourse & Bazaar Foundation offers a deep analysis of the ec...
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247. Sir Keir in China & will there be aftershocks from Japan’s bond quake?

January 28, 2026 • 58 mins
What links Japan’s new prime minister with Liz Truss and Margaret Thatcher? Can Keir Starmer balance relations with Beijing without jeopardising ties to Washington? And why are Steph and Robert so worried about the future of hairdressing? Steph and Robert assess the $7 trillion upheaval in Japan’s bond market and discuss the risks and rewards of Starmer’s visit to China. They also examine the UK’s most overtaxed high-street i...
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246. Why we need more businesses to go bust

January 27, 2026 • 43 mins
Why have US productivity and living standards outstripped the UK’s? Why is it good news that more British businesses are failing? And why is the challenge now to make sure younger, more productive businesses get the capital they need? Steph and Robert talk to Ruth Curtice, Chief Executive of the Resolution Foundation, about the report card the Resolution Foundation has written on whether the government is meeting its central ambit...
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245. The TACO president - Why Trump Always Chickens Out

January 22, 2026 • 46 mins
What is it that makes Trump back down? Why is Mark Carney, a former governor of the Bank of England, one of the only ones standing up to him? How strong is the EU’s hand in all of this? And why is the UK’s dependency on the US about more than trade? Steph and Robert look at what the latest Trump chaos means for the global economy and why “Britain is America’s lunch” right now. Email: ⁠⁠the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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244. Why Lord Frost wants a Thatcher revival

January 18, 2026 • 41 mins
Does the negotiator of Britain’s exit from the EU accept Brexit has failed? What in Liz Truss’s disastrous mini budget does he still endorse? What are his plans to revive the think tank that gave us Thatcherism? In this episode, Steph and Robert sit down with Lord David Frost - the Brexit negotiator turned head of the Institute of Economic Affairs. They examine whether his climate “realism” is in fact climate denialism and hi...
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243. Identity crisis: why the government can't make up its mind about Digital IDs

January 14, 2026 • 56 mins
Are the u-turns on ID cards and business rates bad for the economy? Can the Northern Powerhouse Rail deliver what it’s promising? And why is Donald Trump strong-arming banks and oil companies in a way that looks more like old-fashioned state socialism than free-market capitalism? Steph and Robert examine Labour’s modernisation agenda and ask whether Donald Trump has swapped free-market economics for a “Banana Republic” style eco...
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242. Ignore the doomsayers - the UK is innovating

January 11, 2026 • 48 mins
Why is Britain’s innovation economy is the strongest in Europe? What can the government do to strengthen it further? And can the UK outperform even America and China? Steph and Robert sit down with 'professional optimist' Saul Klein, Co-Founder & Executive Chair of Phoenix Court and venture capital investor, who explains why the foundations of new UK enterprise are stronger than at any time since the late 19th century Email:...
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241. Greenland’s magnetic attraction: why Trump wants it all for himself

January 7, 2026 • 44 mins
Why is the Trump land grab as much about the economic war with China as it is about defence? How is his obsession with Greenland linked to magnets vital to energy, missiles and communication? And why are the PayPal mafia in lead roles? Steph and Robert assess Trump’s empire building and whether Kier Starmer has finally discovered how to be cheerful about the economy Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismo...
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240. Levelling Up 2.0: What Actually Works for Regional Growth?

January 4, 2026 • 40 mins
Why is Slough twice as productive as Mansfield? What’s the secret to reviving the economy in the North? Can we save the high street in 2026? Steph and Robert speak to Andrew Carter, CEO of Centre For Cities, a leading think tank focussed on how to improve the performance of our towns and cities. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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239. 2026 Predictions: a bubble bursts, Starmer’s only hope & Trump’s vulnerability

December 31, 2025 • 43 mins
Will Starmer survive? Who will win the economic war between China and America? Is 2026 when hope returns to Britain? Robert and Steph weigh up 2025 economic results and make some predictions for the year ahead. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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238. How to prepare the UK workforce when 3 million jobs are at risk

December 28, 2025 • 42 mins
How much should school education be about workplace skills and how much about knowledge? Should businesses be more involved in education? Is the assessment of education all wrong?  And should learning and qualifications be encouraged at all ages?  With up to 3 million UK jobs at risk over the next decade according to the National Foundation for Educational Research, Steph talks to their CEO Carole Willis, alongside Will Bridgman...
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237. The extraordinary story of Britain’s first tech titan

December 24, 2025 • 56 mins
Who was Mike Lynch and how did his tech companies make him a billionaire? How did he avoid prison in an American fraud trial when he’d only given himself a 0.4% chance of winning the case? Why did his tragic death spark conspiracy theories around the world? Katie Prescott, technology business editor at The Times, joins Robert and Steph to discuss the extraordinary life and death of a British tech billionaire, on whom she’s based...
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236. What M&S can teach Starmer (Part 2)

December 21, 2025 • 35 mins
How Chairman Archie Norman and CEO Stuart Machin are turning round one of the UK’s oldest and most iconic businesses, and how the government should watch and learn from it. If M&S can be great again, so can Britain. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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235. How M&S saw off the cyber criminals and its plan for the next 100 Years (Part 1)

December 17, 2025 • 46 mins
Is there any worse trauma for a business than a cyber attack? What should you do if it happens? Plus how do M&S decide when to close a store and, if it does, is that the final nail in the coffin for that town centre? Steph and Robert talk with M&S chairman Archie Norman, about not just any cyber attack, but an M&S cyber attack. Plus what the barometer of British retail is planning to do next. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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234. Is GB Energy Starmer’s missing growth plan?

December 14, 2025 • 50 mins
How is GB Energy building a third of Britain's daily energy requirements? Can it hit the government’s clean energy target? And how is it creating high skilled jobs and new cutting edge businesses? Steph and Robert find out from the chair of Great British Energy, Jürgen Maier - the former government advisor and CEO of Siemens UK. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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233. The Trump Doctrine: Why Europe Is Failing & Who Wins the Warner Bros Bid?

December 10, 2025 • 44 mins
What are the economic and business consequences for Europe of Trump’s National Security Strategy? How is the US president shaping Hollywood’s future as Netflix and Paramount fight for ownership of Warner Bros? And who is missing from the major conflict negations needed for peace and economic prosperity? Robert and Steph assess the impact of the latest manifestations of Trump’s determination to run everything. Email: the⁠...
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232. How British AI is inventing new materials

December 8, 2025 • 44 mins
How is AI being used to transform how we create new materials? Why did the young British AI company doing it raise most money outside the UK? How might this solve some of our biggest problems like climate change and water pollution? Following their conversation with Science Minister Sir Patrick Vallance, Robert and Steph speak to Dr Chad Edwards, the CEO and co-founder of Cusp AI. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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231. Can The NHS Afford The UK-US Pharma Deal?

December 3, 2025 • 52 mins
Why is the NHS paying more for new medicines? Will the government at last buy from British tech companies? How can the UK life sciences be more entrepreneurial? Lord Patrick Vallance, the government's Science, Innovation Research & Nuclear Minister (and former Chief Scientific Advisor), joins Robert and Steph to talk about trade deals, scale-up finance and how investing in the Oxford-Cambridge corridor might mean growth for the ...
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230. Dan Neidle on how Reeves’ tax reforms will work

November 30, 2025 • 42 mins
Why wasn’t the chancellor more radical? How will the new mileage tax for electric vehicles be collected? Is the new mansion tax fair? Robert and Steph deconstruct the budget with tax expert Dan Neidle. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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229. BUDGET BONUS: Did the Treasury Lie?

November 29, 2025 • 37 mins
Why did the Chancellor and Treasury suggest the public finances are a disaster when they weren’t? Why did the Office for Budget Responsibility call them out? What is the true story behind the income tax u-turn. Steph and Robert discuss. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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