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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market. Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic landscape. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com.

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236. What M&S can teach Starmer (Part 2)

December 21, 2025 • 35 mins

How Chairman Archie Norman and CEO Stuart Machin are turning round one of the UK’s oldest and most iconic businesses, and how the government should watch and learn from it. If M&S can be great again, so can Britain. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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235. How M&S saw off the cyber criminals and its plan for the next 100 Years (Part 1)

December 17, 2025 • 46 mins

Is there any worse trauma for a business than a cyber attack? What should you do if it happens? Plus how do M&S decide when to close a store and, if it does, is that the final nail in the coffin for that town centre? Steph and Robert talk with M&S chairman Archie Norman, about not just any cyber attack, but an M&S cyber attack. Plus what the barometer of British retail is planning to do next. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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234. Is GB Energy Starmer’s missing growth plan?

December 14, 2025 • 50 mins

How is GB Energy building a third of Britain's daily energy requirements? Can it hit the government’s clean energy target? And how is it creating high skilled jobs and new cutting edge businesses? Steph and Robert find out from the chair of Great British Energy, Jürgen Maier - the former government advisor and CEO of Siemens UK. Email: the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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233. The Trump Doctrine: Why Europe Is Failing & Who Wins the Warner Bros Bid?

December 10, 2025 • 44 mins

What are the economic and business consequences for Europe of Trump’s National Security Strategy? How is the US president shaping Hollywood’s future as Netflix and Paramount fight for ownership of Warner Bros? And who is missing from the major conflict negations needed for peace and economic prosperity? Robert and Steph assess the impact of the latest manifestations of Trump’s determination to run everything. Email: the⁠...

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232. How British AI is inventing new materials

December 8, 2025 • 44 mins

How is AI being used to transform how we create new materials? Why did the young British AI company doing it raise most money outside the UK? How might this solve some of our biggest problems like climate change and water pollution? Following their conversation with Science Minister Sir Patrick Vallance, Robert and Steph speak to Dr Chad Edwards, the CEO and co-founder of Cusp AI. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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231. Can The NHS Afford The UK-US Pharma Deal?

December 3, 2025 • 52 mins

Why is the NHS paying more for new medicines? Will the government at last buy from British tech companies? How can the UK life sciences be more entrepreneurial? Lord Patrick Vallance, the government's Science, Innovation Research & Nuclear Minister (and former Chief Scientific Advisor), joins Robert and Steph to talk about trade deals, scale-up finance and how investing in the Oxford-Cambridge corridor might mean growth for the ...

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230. Dan Neidle on how Reeves’ tax reforms will work

November 30, 2025 • 42 mins

Why wasn’t the chancellor more radical? How will the new mileage tax for electric vehicles be collected? Is the new mansion tax fair? Robert and Steph deconstruct the budget with tax expert Dan Neidle. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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229. BUDGET BONUS: Did the Treasury Lie?

November 29, 2025 • 37 mins

Why did the Chancellor and Treasury suggest the public finances are a disaster when they weren’t? Why did the Office for Budget Responsibility call them out? What is the true story behind the income tax u-turn. Steph and Robert discuss. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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228. BUDGET SPECIAL: Where's The Growth?

November 26, 2025 • 40 mins

Do Reeves’s budget sums add up? Who will be hurt by her tax rises? And has she put saving her job above reviving the economy? Steph and Robert discuss. Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformation at https://www.goo.gle/10stories Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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227. How Economics Can Stop Us Making Stupid Choices

November 23, 2025 • 39 mins

How can governments and businesses nudge us to change our behaviour? Are we too easily manipulated by the private sector? How do we design economic policy for the real world, not mythical perfect markets? Robert speaks to the father of behavioural economics and Nobel prize winner Richard Thaler. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com. Wealt...

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226. Will Labour’s Mansion Tax Backfire?

November 19, 2025 • 40 mins

Will growth and savings be hurt by pension tax changes in the budget? Will the property market be whacked by plans to tax high value properties? How will they police a mileage tax on electric cars? Robert and Steph discuss. Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformation at https://www.goo.gle/10stories Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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225. How Damaged Is Reeves By Budget Chaos?

November 16, 2025 • 33 mins

Why have investors turned against Reeves and Starmer? Was the u-turn on the income tax rise bad economics and bad politics? How will the budget raise the £25bn still needed? Robert and Steph discuss. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com.Wealthify is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. With investing, your capital ...

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224. Would Ousting Starmer Risk Economic Meltdown?

November 12, 2025 • 41 mins

How much will a political coup against the Prime Minister affect the confidence of UK investors? Are Reform capitalising on Rachel Reeves’ negativity? Can the Treasury find enough money to solve the national scandal of deprivation against the backdrop of a £30bn fiscal black hole? Robert and Steph discuss. Get started today at https://www.HubSpot.com Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformatio...

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223. Is The AI Boom Like 1929 Or The Dot Com Bubble?

November 9, 2025 • 36 mins

What does the 1929 crash teach us about now? Is the AI boom as dangerous as the Great Crash? If it goes pop, what will we be left with? Robert speaks to Andrew Ross Sorkin, New York Times columnist and author of 1929. Get started today at https://www.HubSpot.com For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com. Wealthify is authorised and regu...

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222. The Four Budget Priorities For Rachel Reeves

November 5, 2025 • 33 mins

Did the Chancellor’s pre-budget speech work? Why should she increase the basic rate of income tax? Is it time to abolish the pensioner’s triple lock? Robert asks economist Jim O’Neill about the advice he’s been giving the treasury ahead of the budget. Visit: https://www.gov.uk/teachinfurthereducation to find out more Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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221. Why Reeves Should Put Up Income Tax

November 2, 2025 • 43 mins

Can the truce between Trump and Xi hold? What should Starmer do now to prepare for the coming AI shock? And how can Reeves’s budget combine tax rises with growth stimulation? Robert talks with Mohamed El-Erian, Professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Get started today at https://www.HubSpot.com For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at htt...

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220. How Do We Make Big Business Behave?

October 29, 2025 • 37 mins

How can investors compel companies to pay the “real” living wage and stop selling foods that make us obese? Can anyone with a pension put pressure on businesses? Why are American fund managers so scared of Trump? Robert speaks to Catherine Howarth, Chief Executive of ShareAction, the leading European NGO that tries to make big business act responsibly. Get started today at https://www.HubSpot.com Find out how Google AI is...

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219. When Do Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves?

October 26, 2025 • 35 mins

What role can tax play in reviving the UK? Is Trump a protectionist or free trader at heart? What does the economist who inspired Truss make of her notorious budget? Robert speaks with the acclaimed economist Art Laffer about how he draws the most famous curve in economics. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com. Wealthify is authorised a...

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218. How Do We Get Off The Escalator Of Ever Rising Taxes?

October 22, 2025 • 42 mins

Should the budget stop the avoidance of employers’ national insurance by the UK’s highest paid professions? How does the government restore the confidence of its creditors? Are we facing a private credit crash? Robert discusses with Chief Market Strategist of JP Morgan Asset Management Europe, Karen Ward. Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read the report at goo.gle/aiw...

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217. Is Reeves To Blame For The Budget Hole?

October 19, 2025 • 58 mins

How can Rachel Reeves deliver a budget that means she won’t have to raise taxes again next year? What would rational tax reform look like? Should this be the budget when they finally raise fuel duty in line with the escalator? Robert chats to the new Director of the IFS, Helen Miller. Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read the report at goo.gle/aiworks. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}236. What M&S can teach Starmer (Part 2)

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234. Is GB Energy Starmer’s missing growth plan?

233. The Trump Doctrine: Why Europe Is Failing & Who Wins the Warner Bros Bid?

232. How British AI is inventing new materials

231. Can The NHS Afford The UK-US Pharma Deal?

230. Dan Neidle on how Reeves’ tax reforms will work

229. BUDGET BONUS: Did the Treasury Lie?

228. BUDGET SPECIAL: Where's The Growth?

227. How Economics Can Stop Us Making Stupid Choices

226. Will Labour’s Mansion Tax Backfire?

225. How Damaged Is Reeves By Budget Chaos?

224. Would Ousting Starmer Risk Economic Meltdown?

223. Is The AI Boom Like 1929 Or The Dot Com Bubble?

222. The Four Budget Priorities For Rachel Reeves

221. Why Reeves Should Put Up Income Tax

220. How Do We Make Big Business Behave?

219. When Do Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves?

218. How Do We Get Off The Escalator Of Ever Rising Taxes?

217. Is Reeves To Blame For The Budget Hole?

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236. What M&S can teach Starmer (Part 2)

235. How M&S saw off the cyber criminals and its plan for the next 100 Years (Part 1)