The Rest Is Money

The Rest Is Money

Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market. Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic landscape. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com.

Episodes

214. Are Tory Cuts Credible?

October 8, 2025 • 46 mins
What is Badenoch’s new fiscal Golden Rule? How many vulnerable people would be hurt by their planned welfare cuts? Why would the Tories slash overseas aid again? At the end of Tory conference, Robert talks with Shadow Chancellor, Mel Stride. Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read the report at goo.gle/aiworks. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmai...
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213. The Decline And Fall Of The London Stock Exchange

October 5, 2025 • 39 mins
Why don't companies want to list in London anymore? Why is this damaging for all of us? How much will it cost the Treasury in lost tax if companies follow AstraZeneca's example and list in the US? Robert and Steph discuss the LSE's fall out of the top 20 world markets for companies that raise money and what can be done about it. Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read t...
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212. Has Reeves Been Unlucky Or Unwise?

October 1, 2025 • 46 mins
Will any of the schemes and policies announced at Labour’s conference actually much us richer? Will the Chancellor be bailed out in her budget by inflation? How many forecasts does Reeves really need? Steph and Robert discuss with former IFS Director and Provost of The Queen’s College Oxford, Paul Johnson. Visit https://www.gov.uk/teachinfurthereducation in further education to find out more. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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211. How Should Reeves Fill The £30bn Hole?

September 28, 2025 • 36 mins
What are the tax solutions to Reeves’s budget crisis? What tax changes would encourage growth? Can she afford to scrap the two-child benefit cap? Steph and Robert speak to former Director of Fiscal Policy at the Treasury and current Chief Executive of the Resolution Foundation Ruth Curtice. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com Wealthify...
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210. Can The Government Save The UK Car Industry From The Cyber Attack On JLR?

September 24, 2025 • 44 mins
Who is to blame for the £30bn of taxes Reeves needs to raise in the budget? Is Starmer’s big dream to turn the north east into an AI powerhouse pie in the sky? Can the Midlands car industry recover from the calamitous cyber attack on JLR? Robert and Steph discuss all this and more. Find out more about how Google’s AI is helping fuel the UK’s growth and transformation and read the report at goo.gle/aiworks. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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209. Why We Can’t Abandon The World’s Poor

September 21, 2025 • 33 mins
How do we cut poor countries’ debts without rewarding corrupt dictators? After Trump’s abandonment of aid to developing countries, will poverty and disease be unstoppable? How do we restore hope? Robert is joined by Helle Thorning Schmitt, former Danish Prime Minister to discuss how we stay hopeful in a world of such extreme challenges Robert is joined by former Danish Prime Minister and ex- head of Save the Children, Helle Tho...
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208. Have We Just Surrendered Our Economic Independence To The US?

September 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Should we worry that all our AI infrastructure will be owned by US firms? How can we turn schools and colleges into the drivers of economic recovery? How much of education and investment power should be transferred from Westminster to mayors?  Steph and Robert speak with Andy Haldane, former Chief Economist at the Bank of England about his influential report on boosting regional prosperity Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠r...
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207. What Can We Learn About Farage’s Finances From His Accounts?

September 14, 2025 • 42 mins
What are the Reform leader’s tax arrangements? Do the party leaders really publish their tax returns? Has there ever been a financially dodgier Prime Minister than Winston Churchill? Robert and Steph speak to tax expect and friend of the show, Dan Neidle Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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206. Will Starmer Sack Mandelson Over Epstein?

September 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Why do politicians hang out with billionaires? Are they a problem for democracy? What happens when a wealthy venture capitalist starts lobbying British institutions? Steph and Robert look at how the mega-rich have their fingers in everything from art to politics and discuss why it matters. Visit https://www.gov.uk/teach in further education to find out more. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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205. Are Reform Looking For An Argentine Tango?

September 7, 2025 • 39 mins
Who is Nigel Farage inspired by when it comes to Reform’s plans for the economy? What does Starmer’s reshuffle mean for business, skills and employment law? And which minister refused to move? Robert and Steph discuss the aftermath of reshuffles and defections. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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204. Will The Late Late Budget Heal Or Harm?

September 3, 2025 • 39 mins
How much is Reeves to blame for surging government borrowing costs? Has she made another error by maximising uncertainty with the long wait to the budget? How could she mend public finances? Robert and Steph discuss why this coming budget could be the most important of the parliament. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get more stories from the world of business and finance. Email: ⁠...
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203. How To Beat Farage And The Populists

August 31, 2025 • 40 mins
Is economic policy or economic messaging more important? What single “mission” should energise the whole government? How does Trump cut taxes for the super rich and keep the support of the low-income earners? Steph and Robert discuss with Professor Mariana Mazzucato, author of Mission Economy: A Moonshot Guide to Changing Capitalism. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get more stories fr...
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202. What's The Cost Of Trump Controlling The Fed?

August 27, 2025 • 37 mins
Is there a political case for Trump’s attempt to control America’s central bank? How close are the UK and France to debt crises? How is Starmer trying to exercise more control over Reeves and the Treasury? Robert and Steph explain. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get more stories from the world of business and finance. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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201. Which Taxes Will Rachel Reeves Raise This Autumn?

August 24, 2025 • 34 mins
Would an annual charge on properties valued over £500,000 be fairer than stamp duty? Will the Chancellor eventually have to scrap the manifesto promise and raise taxes on ‘working people’? How much could the Treasury raise by lowering VAT but getting rid of all exemptions? Steph chats to tax policy expert, and friend of the show, Dan Neidle. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get more stories...
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200. Should Asylum Seekers Be Given Jobs?

August 20, 2025 • 37 mins
Is immigration good or bad for economic growth? Why are we spending so much money on things like migrant hotels? Can we support our ageing population without migrants? Steph speaks to migration and asylum expert and policy maker, Zoe Gardner. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get more stories from the world of business and finance. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
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199. When George Osborne Went After The Bankers, I Went To Prison

August 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Who were the traders who took the hit when the public turned on the City after the financial crisis? How did Tom Hayes lose his marriage, all his savings and his freedom in a case that has since been over-turned by the Supreme Court? Why will he get no compensation? In the second part of this two-episode interview, Robert talks to Tom Hayes about how he lost everything when he took the rap for the flaws in the LIbor interest rat...
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198. The Trader Who Paid For The Financial Crisis

August 13, 2025 • 30 mins
Why did the authorities jail LIBOR trader Tom Hayes when so many reckless bankers went unpunished? How was Libor so central to the multi trillion dollar financial system? What did Hayes do to put himself in the firing line? In the first part of a two-part series, Robert talks to Tom Hayes and shines a light on the true Libor scandal. It isn’t what you think. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up to our newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get...
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197. How Close Is The UK To A Lethal Debt Spiral?

August 10, 2025 • 26 mins
Is the government already in a debt trap, where the economy can’t grow fast enough to cover its rising interest bill? Can the government spur economic growth enough to rescue the UK from relentless tax rises and spending squeezes? How should the machinery of government be reformed to turn a growth mission into a practical reality? Robert and Steph look at the warning from the respected NIESR that a debt trap may be an imminent ...
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196. Will Low Income Voters Ever Turn On Trump?

August 6, 2025 • 29 mins
How much harm to the collective solidarity of nations has been done by America’s resurgent nationalism? Can the global economy absorb the costs of Trump’s tariffs without a slump? Is there any case for Trump’s new 50% tariffs on India? Robert speaks with Philip Coggan, former Economist columnist about his new book The Economic Consequences of Mr Trump. We appreciate your feedback on The Rest Is Money to help make the podcast ...
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195. Why The EU Accepted A Raw Deal With Trump

August 3, 2025 • 34 mins
What are the repercussions of global trade deals being put together with little to no detail in the actual agreements? How has the US President convinced the European Commission to agree to purchase $600bn worth of US energy products when it doesn’t have the mechanism to do so? Did Trump end up winning his game of "4D chess" with the global markets? Steph speaks to The Economist’s Wall Street Editor, Mike Bird. We appreciate ...
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