June 11, 2025 • 68 mins
Recently the Gotti family is back in the news. Over the last several days a story has circulated involving two of John Gotti's grandsons assaulting a man over a robbery of a home. We found that man and got his side of the story. Gino Gabrielli is a Howard Beach Queens resident who has been involved in the streets with people and eventually cooperated because of it. He now has been involved in a back and forth with John Gotti who married his sister and bad blood has happened because of it.
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hundred and fourteen, and we are back. It's a good
time for me. I am getting ready for a wedding
next week, next Saturday. My sister's getting married, So it's
a good time for us and our family. Obviously, it'll
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be a nice time. We haven't had a wedding in
a while. My brother got married almost ten years ago,
go at this point, it seems like seven eight years
around that time. But yeah, you know it's my sister,
she's my only sister, so it'll be a good time.
You know, obviously it'll be it'll suck without my dad,
but you know, these are the things that you know,
you always wish that all your relatives are around for.
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Let's get in guys to the episode today. And as
I said, this is one that I recorded and I
really thought about whether I wanted to deliver it to
you because the guy we spoke to is not necessarily
(03:43):
a mobster. In fact, he's really kind of a fringe
mob associate to an associate, but he's a really interesting
guy and it relates to a recent story that has
kind of been talked about in the space of the
mob genre. It involves the grandsons of John Gottie, and
essentially it's a family feud back and forth. And I
(04:03):
spoke to the individual that was assaulted by the goddies.
His name is Gino Gabrielli, and I'm going to warn
you this was a difficult interview to do. I believe again,
I'm one of the only people to ever speak to
him about this, and there were times where it was tough.
You know, he isn't exactly someone that gets his points
(04:25):
across quickly. He had to think and was very detailed
and responding. I asked that you offer up and not
rush to judgment on him. What's interesting is he told
a lot of stories, in fact, one of which was
surrounding the arson of a vehicle with a person called
Peter Tuccio, who we've talked about. Gabrielli and Tuccio were
(04:46):
close friends. They committed this arson together. In fact, the
guy we spoke to is the individual that actually set
the car on fire. We talked about that, we talked
about his cooperation, we talked about life and Howard Beach today,
and we talked to about the long odyssey that has
been his sister's marriage to John Gotti, the grandson of
John Gotti Senior. What's interesting is today, Tuesday, June tenth,
(05:11):
is actually the twenty u what is it, the twenty
third anniversary of the death of John Gotti. John Gotti
died on this day in two thousand and two, and
we're still talking about him, his lineage, uh and his
uh you know, family members. So I asked, sit back, relaxed.
This is a good interview. It's over an hour long,
(05:32):
and I thought it was important to deliver to our
audio people as well. I think you'll enjoy it. And yeah,
let's get to it. Gino Gabrielli on the sit down.
I'm bringing him here to you. His name is Geno Gabrielli. Gino,
you're you're an interesting guy. I'll just say that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yes, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, you've you've never really spoken to anybody. I do
know that, you know, you know guys like Jean Barrello,
who's from that neighborhood. We Gene and I had our
run in from time to time. We have a long
history on here. Yes, you're from Howard Beach. You were
recently in the news involving these guys which we're going
to talk about a second bout. This is your first
(06:13):
time speaking to me and my first time speaking to you.
You're from Howard Beach. Your family is actually the owners
and proprietors of Aldos, which is a pizzeria, right correct.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yes, my grandfather he used to own al those cross
Bay Boulevard in Ozon Park and he sold it about
four years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay. And I also, from what I understand, your father
was involved in the business, is that true?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes, he was the manager there for about twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Okay, So your family sold the pizzeria and it's no longer
in your name, but the name is still there and
it's still there, right, yes, okay, understood. Now before we
get into this whole situation that transpired, Howard Beach has
a long history in the mob as we know. I mean,
guys like John Gotti, Joey Messino, all these different big
(07:07):
mobsters live there. It's very fertile ground for that life.
It's Nero's own park, It's near all these different areas.
What was it like growing up there? You know, what
kind of things did you see? What was that like?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Uh, growing up. Yes, I did see a lot of
organized crime, especially at my grandfather's piece area when I
was young. At the time, I didn't really know. But
once I got older, I you know, started to realize
that the things that were going on were organized crime,
(07:46):
Gambino crime family.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And stuff like that. And look, gin know, I'm not
gonna I know certain things that I've heard about maybe
people in your own family. Right, It's it's hard to
have a business in that area and these people aren't
coming in, right you kind of almost It's just a
different way of living. I understand you though. You know,
(08:10):
you went to school that sort of thing, you lived
in that neighborhood. Were you Were you friends with a
lot of these kids that that like at once, like
these Gotty kids, were you friends with them at any point?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Uh? The Gottis not really uh friend of friends. Would
pass by them every once in a while and speak
to like John, Uh Peter's son him, yes, and stuff
like that, but I'm never really a close relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, gotcha you mentioned he's Peter's son. We know Peter Gotty.
He's the youngest child of John Gotti Sr. The Gottis
have several kids you know Victoria Angel, John Junior, Peter.
They obviously had another son who tragically died in nineteen eight,
but he's the youngest son that's alive still. He has
(09:06):
multiple children, one of which is John Gotti. A lot
of John Gotti's in that family, by the way, they
like that name. Every kid has a kid named John Gotti.
He also has a brother, this kid on the left
or on the left and the white. I want to
talk about all that, but I want to talk about
(09:27):
your involvement with with with a person called Peter Tuccio.
You know Peter, Yes, okay, yeah, we've talked about Peter
on I don't know if you know this, but on
YouTube he's become a little bit of a cult favorite.
People are either really interested in him or they think
certain things of him. Tell me about Peter. What kind
of kid was he?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Peter was a very uh he was trying to create
his own organized crime army, like his own family. He
came from a good family. He was a very spoiled kid.
He never worked at day in his life, and he
was just obsessed with the the Howard Beach organized crime
(10:11):
lifestyle element right, yes, element?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So he and when we do know because it's common knowledge.
I mean, he was constantly trying to be involved with
the Bananos and his uncle, with the Lukes's and the Gambinos.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yes, he was all over the place. He was all
different families. There was a lot of problems. He was
a loose cannon.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, yeah, I've heard that. Was he a tough guy?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Or I wouldn't say tough guy, I would just say
like sick in the head, like crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, Yeah, I think he might have to be a
little bit to want to be involved with that world
at least today or really ever in general. But okay,
so you you were friends, you and him, You you
you power around, you did things? Did you ever get
in fights with him with other people? Like you mentioned
he was trying to be a mobster in some way,
(11:04):
they try to create his own family. Like did he
say hey, let's do this and do that? Like was
he kind of okay?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah? He when we were younger, I was around twenty
two and and we used to hang out, go to
college bars and stuff like that, and he was and
he would always try to start fights and start problems
and stuff like that, and he would try to shake
people down in the neighborhood and said cars on fire.
(11:39):
He would cause chaos in Howard Beach.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Okay, and you mentioned setting cars on fire. That the
thing that you obviously were involved in and he was
involved in. You were involved in an arson of a vehicle.
From what I understand, you, Peter and another dude you
spot some guy. Explain this was this Peter's thing? Or
(12:02):
were you involved with Peter in that thing? Did he say, Hey,
we're going to do this for someone, or hey, we're
both gonna do this for someone. Did you know who
was or what you were doing at the time.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I had no idea who the guy was. I found
out after that it was the owner of Sophia's Pizza
and he owed money to Iggy Uh the guy yes him, uh,
And it was over one hundred dollars. And so it
(12:34):
was me, Peter and Jonathan Garno and we were hanging out.
We went to a local smoke shop in Howard Beach
and Peter spotted him in the smoke shop and it
came up to me and uh, John, and he said,
(12:56):
this guy, Uh, go outside and see what kind of
car he's driving. So the kid, Jonathan Garna went outside
and said He's driving a Mercedes. So Peter was like, okay,
we have a problem. So the owner of Sophia's Pizza
got what he needed, he went outside in his car.
(13:19):
We went outside into Peter's jeep at the time, and
we followed him. We chased them around the neighborhood. At
first didn't realized, but then after a few minutes he realized,
and then it was like a cat and mouse chase.
He was like trying to dodge us. It went off
(13:42):
for like thirty minutes all around Howard Beach, and then
he went to Gino's Pizzeria and he ran inside for
protection because I guess he had some connections there. And
we were sitting outside and this old Italian guy, I'm
not sure if he was connected or not, came out
up to us in the jeep and he said, what's
(14:06):
the problem, and uh Peter cursed him out. He said, man,
your fucking business and the old man went back inside.
So then Peter uh said to Jonathan Grino, Uh, go
in there and tell the owner of Sophia's Pizza to
(14:29):
come outside, which he did, and then all three and
then me and Peter came out of the jeep. Peter
was talking to him and he said, how is iggy?
He said, just like that to him and he said,
(14:50):
I don't know what you're talking about. Who's iggy? So
I said, okay, all right, just watch your back. So
the owner of Sophius Pizza went back into his car.
He left Peter me Jonathan, and Peter went back into
(15:13):
the jeep. We followed him around and we found out
where he lived because he figured that he was safe.
He was fine, and it was only a few blocks
away from Gino's Pizzeria.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So during all this, like when you're in the car,
did Peter say to you, Hey, we're doing this for
this and this is why we're doing it. Did you
just go along with it because you were friends and whatever.
Didn't you think maybe you shouldn't do that?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh? Yeah, definitely. It definitely crossed my mind that it was,
you know, the wrong thing to do, and I was
just in the wrong situation.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You were just a young kid, though, and you didn't
really Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I was young, stupid. I just wanted to hang out.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So you find a you find this guy's house. Does
Peter say to you, Okay, we're gonna this is what
we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, So what happened was we found the house and
Jonathan was like, just leave it alone, just take me home,
and so Peter took Jonathan home and then it was
just me and Peter hanging out. You know, we were
drinking beers, smoking cigars and in the jeep. And then
(16:31):
all of a sudden, he goes, you know what, fuck
this guy, We're gonna let up some fireworks tonight. So
I'm thinking to myself, what do you mean fireworks? He
goes call Jonathan. Okay, I said, okay, I tell him
what I said. So I called Jonathan Girino. I said,
Peter said that we're gonna let up some fireworks. He goes,
(16:52):
what do you mean? He goes, We're gonna come pick
you up, just come outside. He goes, all right, So
we go back, we go pick up Jonathan, and Peter
tells me and Jonathan that we're gonna set as carn flyer.
And he wanted Jonathan Grino to do.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It, so he really so he wouldn't do it himself.
He wanted you to do it. Correct, Yes, did you
say to him?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You do it? Like, why do you want us to
do it?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'll get into that. So I don't really say much
at that moment, you know, I was just going along
with it. And then Peter goes to his house, he
gets a jerry can, he gets a pair of gloves,
(17:51):
a hat, and he comes back out and he goes,
we're going to a gas station. And then Peter's father
owns a trucking company and so he gets free, gets lean.
So we go to this place. It was off the
belt Parker somewhere I can't remember exactly, but he takes
(18:14):
to jerry can. He fills it up all the way
to the top. There was no uh, he didn't have
the uh, the cap for the jerry can. And so
he comes back in. We're just talking. We go back
to the neighborhood and he asks me if I could
(18:38):
use my car because everybody knows his car, which is
Peter knows his Jeep. So I'm like, yeah, whatever's threw it,
and so he takes He drops me off a few
blocks away from my house. I grabbed my car and
(18:59):
we meet up a few blocks away and then we
go to this guy's house, which happened to be only
a few blocks away from my house. The owner of Sophia's,
you know pizza and so Peter's driving my car, Jonathan
(19:21):
Greno's in the passenger seat, and I'm in the back
and they get out for like a split second without me.
They told me to stay in the car. They go
down the block, they were talking. I don't know what
they were talking about. They come back and then John
(19:41):
Jonathan was willing to do it at first, but then
he chickened out, and then they were arguing back and forth.
Peter was like, you said you were gonna do it,
Stop chicking it out this and that. Jonathan was like,
(20:03):
I feel like this is not a good idea, this
is it. Just take me home. This is stupid. So me,
like an idiot, young and stupid, I'm like, you know what.
Because it was like a full blown argument for ten
minutes and I'm just sitting there. I'm like this is ridiculous.
So I'm like, just I'll do it. So Peter's like,
(20:24):
you say, you know, it's got balls. So I take
the Jerry can and there was so much gasoline in
it that it was pouring onto my jeans right not
even realizing, and it gives me that. He gives me
a torch. Peter and I we were about around the
(20:48):
corner and I get out of the car with the
Jerry Can. I walk across the avenue. I go over
to the Mercedes and I pour the entire jerry Can
on the windshield because that's what Peter said to do.
(21:09):
Put it on the windshield and just light it. So
I'm like, all right, so I do that. It was
a lot of gasteline. I'm talking probably like over a gallon.
I light it. I made sure nobody was inside because
I don't want to hurt nobody, and the car literally exploded,
(21:31):
like right in front of my eyes. Literally, it was.
It was crazy, like I was like at first, I
was like, oh my god, that was insane, and then
I'm like running away. I'm like, wait a minute, my
leg is starting to burn a little bit. And I
looked down and my my right leg was on fire.
(21:54):
So I'm like and so I'm like, shit, what do
I do? So I'm running, I stopped. I tried putting
it out with my hands, and then I don't know
what told me this, but I stopped, dropped and rolled
on the corner on the concrete as Jonathan and Peter
(22:16):
were in the car like half a block away, and
from what they told me. Jonathan said to Peter, I
think Gene was on fire, and Peter was like, no way,
get out of here, no way. He looks in the
mirror he goes, holy shit he is. So they didn't
even come over to help. They just stayed in the car.
(22:38):
So I the cause it's an inferno. I'm screaming for
help because I was in a lot of pain. I
wouldn't I wouldn't wish that pain on my worst enemy.
It was the worst pain in the world. And then
eventually the fire goes out. I run over back to
(22:58):
the car. Yeah, but like I had like a limp
over because that was in so much pain, right, And
I jump in the back seat and I'm like screaming
excruciating pain. I'm like, guys, you gotta take me to
the hospital. They were like, what happened? Blah blah blah,
(23:18):
what what did you do? I'm like, the car exploded.
Jonathan asked me, where's the Jerry King because his fingerprints
were on it. He was worried about that. I'm like,
just I need to go to the hospital. So I'm
like take me. Don't take me to Jamaica. I take
me somewhere else. So they're trying to come up with
(23:39):
a story on what I'm gonna say. They were like,
when you go to the hospital because I reaped of gasoline.
They were like, just say you were running a quad
in the weeds and Howard Beach and it flipped over
and it exploded. And then Peter was like, no, Johnathan,
(24:01):
that's stupid. Just tell tell them you were cooking at
home and the oil from the uh from the cooking
one on your jeans and it caught fire.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So so they were trying to come up with all
these stories. And I'm not sure why would you have
gasoline in a kitchen. That wouldn't make any sense, right, Yeah,
So they were trying to come up with all these
ideas because you were the only one that had the
balls to do it. You did it. Where was the
did the guy like come outside or anything during all
this that the homeowner?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
From what I remember, I didn't see anybody really come
out because it happened so fast.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Okay, And.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But there was camera footage of.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It, okay, And then so they were able to acquire that.
They also, from what I understand, they have you you
guys at the hospital going into the hospital, but you know,
you're a young guy. You don't think anything of it,
like this had really been the first time you did
any being illegal. You were just kind of doing it
because you were sick of them arguing by not doing it,
and you just did it. But but you guys, weren't
(25:07):
really going to get get any money out of this.
Was Peter doing this trickly to like impress people.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yes, exactly he was. He was trying to impress Joan
Merlino that he was very very close with at the time.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Were you trying to impress anyone? Did you? What did
you want out of your life? Is that what you
wanted to do as well?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No? Absolutely not, No, Okay, it was just I grew
up in that environment. Yeah, I was just surrounded by
all these wannabe gangsters. This one's father's a gangster, this
one's uncle's a gangster, cousins a gangster.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So it was just like, where was Peter? Okay, where
was Peter on the wannabe scale? To you?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh, the wannabe scale, he was top tier one hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Okay, yeah, I've heard that. So ultimately, you guys, you know,
I have to ask you, like now, like it's been
years since this happened. Your leg was ultimate?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay, yes, thankfully I got a skin graft.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Wow. Yeah, oh yeah, it was really bad.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I could show you my leg right now if you want.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I believe you. No, I believe you. That's a wow,
that's amazing. So you you then realize you're gonna have
to face federal charges over this. Did you when they
kind of said to you, this is gonna go federal?
Did you? What'd you think when they said that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It took about three months after the event, which is
not a long time for the Feds to uh uh
get a complaint. When I found out, I was like, shit,
I'm screwed. Uh mandatory five year minimum and it upset
(27:01):
my parents, It traumatized me. It went on for a
very long time. The FBI knocked on my door randomly
one day and I got arrested back in twenty twenty
(27:21):
three of February.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So, yeah, so they come get you, They take you to,
you know, some kind of federal building. Did they say
to you, you know, you tell them what happened? Essentially?
Did they say to you, hey, look, you know, do
you really want to go to jail over this guy
or this whole thing? Yes, tell me what your thought.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Process was there?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
We had a little tech issues. So you're approached by
the FBI. What was your thought process with all this?
What did you end up doing?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
The thought process was there were the feel how agents
were telling me, you know, you're a young kid, give
made a mistake, you the wrong friends, the wrong time.
You didn't want to go to jail for this over
something stupid. At the time, I really didn't say much
because I was just so stressed out and so out
of it. And then I got a booked. I spent
(28:25):
the night at the FBI building. I got released the
next day, and then my bail was five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Wow. Yeah, so you you know you were gonna have
to pay a little bit to even get out. Did
you think to yourself, like, I can't I can't say anything.
I'm gonna be looked at really badly in this neighborhood. Yeah,
did you think about that? You ultimately? You ultimately you
did talk ultimately. Did you worry about that? Did you care? Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
At first? I did at first, and then after like
a few weeks, I said to myself, what are they
really gonna do? Like I had a lot of people
come up to me and say, listen, you're a good kid.
You made a mistake. You better off just cooperating.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Uh and and and you did? Did did you just
kind of say to yourself, you know this guy in
a friend to me, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
F basically yeah, pretty much when when I was in
the hospital, Peter went on the lamb and didn't even
visit me in the hospital. He didn't even uh call
a check up, bobity he he He went into like
a a rat hole. Pretty much. He was nowhere to
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be found.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Eventually, Peter did get sentenced to ten years in this case. Now,
obviously that's a pretty lengthy sentence for what he actually
ended up doing. Generally, it was probably because of some
of the people he was around at the time. It's
alleged that Peter tuccio Is is made guy, at least
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at this point. What would you say to him now
if you, if you could, Is that surprising to you
at all?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Surprising that he's allegedly made Yeah, that would be very surprising.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yes, what do you mean? Why do you say that?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Because he was disliked by a lot of other organized
crime guys gangsters When it happens like a couple of
days after Ron and g Lonzo's crew they beat Peter
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Tuccio to a pulp.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I've heard about that.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, they beat them to a pulp. Ron, did you
actually had in my back? He felt better for me,
and I respect him for that. You know, I'm not
gonna lie. He's he's a stand up guy. So what
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was the only question? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, just are you you know, were you surprised that
he you know, that people accepted him. Were you surprised
that you know, again, it's alleged that it wasn't a
New York family that accepted him, it was another family.
What would you say to him if if if you could, like,
do you have any gave ill will towards him? You know,
you know he won't like you, but oh.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, he definitely.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Now you're not a kid anymore. You're this is what
ten years ago since you did that. Yeah, you're obviously
older now, you know. Do you feel bad for him?
Even kind of?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Uh? To be honest, no, I don't, because the way
he acted towards everybody, he had no respect. His own
father even said my grandfather's pizzeria said, it's in my
father that my son thinks he's a gangster. Okay, Peter's
father is like the nicest guy.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I've heard that hard.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Working man, worked his whole life. Peter wanted nothing to
do with his father's business, didn't want to work. He
just wanted He was just obsessed with this organized crime life.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So he kind of did it to himself.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, he finds it to himself. He it was almost
like he wanted to get arrested, like the way he
would talk.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
So you think in prison, it's probably he's probably loving it.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
To be honest, Yes, he's loving it.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Interesting, Go ahead, No, that's fine. I was just gonna say,
you still live in Howard Beach right or in the
area unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Say unfortunately it's a lot of different neighborhood. Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, it changed a lot. I mean the recent incident
with the goddis they're like the only people. But I
don't want to say organized crime because they're they're not
organized crime whatsoever. They're a glorified family. Their grandfather was,
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you know, a legend. I'll give him that. Some people
say he destroyed the mob because of the media attention,
but right now there's a very little mob influence in Howard.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Beach when you were you were younger, right when you
were growing up. He died in two thousand and two.
You were pretty young, right, you were in your you know,
teenage years. Do you remember that day or anything? Do
you remember anything about what was neighborhood like? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I don't remember because I was really young.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Okay, you were like seven eight years old, right.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Seven eight years old? Yes, correct? And I was when
I was growing up. I was very shy at that age.
Good kid, you know. I just went to school. My
parents made sure that they tried very hard for me
not to get involved with people from people from friends,
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from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
They were good people. They wanted you to make something
of yourself, you know, and find you know, and I've
talked about this on this channel.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Unfortunately, where you grew up is a strong indication of
what a lot of time you can be. And if
you're around a lot of people like that, it's now
surprise that you end up maybe wanting to become or
becoming that. You have a sister, right, and this is
where kind of of dings kind of go together. Yes,
Her sister is married to John Gotti. Mm hm, you
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know she younger older than you.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
She's older.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Okay, when she told you, hey, I'm dating him, or
you found out, how'd you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I was extremely upset and I was furious.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Was it just because she was dating someone or who
she was dating?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's because she was dating this, uh, this guy at
the time when she was this was years ago, she
was much younger. She was dating uh, this kid named
Anthony Mafia and things didn't work out. They it was
a mutual breakup.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And then Anthony Mafia. That's a wild name to have
in Howard.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, I know, right, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's a that's a good name for him, but it's
a wild name.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
He was actually a really good guy. Heh nice guy.
He took care of my sister. He he was construction
union what do you call the.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
The union guy?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He was a crane operator. Okay, so he made a
lot of money. Yeah, but things didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Which sucks because it seems like he was a pretty
good guy. Probably would have took care of your sister,
kind of you want to date your sister. I have
a sister. That'd be the kind of guy. I wouldn't
want to date. Yeah, instead she brings home this guy,
and you would kind of said, you know, you didn't
really care for him that much, per say, but you
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know he was around. Ultimately, we know with him, he
did time in prison. He was moving around with Jean
Morello and and and that group. They eventually get married.
Take us to present day. We know that over the
last several days you were arrested on some charges, which
we'll talk about. It's been kind of painted that you
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just robbed your sister's house.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know, certain people have said you have a drug problem,
which you can talk about or not up to you
that said what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So what happened was John when he got out of
prison about two years ago, he wants nothing to do
with me or my father. Him and my sister had
a baby, beautiful baby, by the way, and.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
He just stop you real quick, Why is that? Because
you cooperated? Yes? Got it?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
But I have to ask go ahead, His uncle cooperated, right.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
His uncle cooperated?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Is that okay to talk to him? You tell me,
got it okay? Continue? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh no, no, no, no, that's fine. So he got out. I
actually saw him one day when he was out after
a few months in the neighborhood and I went to
go say hello, and he said to me, do me
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a favor and just walk away. So I'm like, all right, whatever,
let me not even waste my breath. So Tom goes on.
I see him around the neighborhood and every time I
would see him, when he would see me, he would
run away. He would see me and like get nervous
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and run back in his car and drive away.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Why why is that? Do you just didn't want to
be seen around you or like.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's a great question because he hangs out with convicted
felons all the time. I read a link at all
these places.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So you didn't really understand.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I really didn't get it. Maybe, uh, he didn't
want to piss off my sister.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Now your sister and you, is it a strenuous relationship?
Are you close? How is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
We do not get along, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
But you she's still your sister and they have a
child together. That's your niece, right, I don't I'm guessing
you don't have any other nieces or nephews. Yeah, so
you know you're trying to try to maintain a relation ship.
How does it get to today where we see that
you've brtalized the home that they were living in. Now,
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from what I understand, that apartment they live in is
owned by your family. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes, it's owned by my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Okay, Now he's still alive. Correct, Yes, Okay, from what
I've gathered, he is alive. He has a building in
that area. John, your sister and their daughter live there.
They're paying rent to him. They aren't paying, is that correct?
Or he's not paying.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
He's not paying because the deal was when John got out.
Because John and my sister got married in prison, which
is very embarrassing, and Ella was pregnant and she needed
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like they needed an apartment. But he promised her the world,
the world. When he was in prison, he was like,
when I had the big wedding reception, We're going to
move to Long Island, get out of Howard Beach. It
was all predicated on lies. And when he got out,
he spoke to my grandfather. They made a deal. I'm
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not sure the exact price of the rent, but I
think it was like twelve hundred.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
A month, very cheap in that area, yes.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Very cheap, And my grandfather's worth a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And he didn't really you know, he didn't really need
He was just trying to help out his granddaughter. I
want to ask though, real quick, your family, like your
your father, mother, grandfather, even did they ever say to
your your your sister, hey, like do you really want
to get involved with these people?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Oh? Yeah, of course, not so much my grandfather because
there was my family, you know, you know what I'm there, right, Yeah,
you get it, especially when there's money involved. My parents
were totally against it, totally against it. They hated the
idea then, Like I mean, at first, he tried like
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he tried to pull off that mister nice guy shure
of respect. He would come into my in my house
high off of oxy cotton pills and stuff like that,
and we would notice. But my sister, you know, she's
the oldest, very stubborn, and yeah, they were definitely not
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happy with it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Got it? So you does he he ends up getting
to a point where he's not paying the rent? Is
that correct?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yes? Yes? Recently. So what happened was he got caught
cheating on my sister.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
What do you mean.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
He uh So they moved into the apartment about I
would say about a year ago and with the baby
and everything, and he would go out. He would get drunk,
you know, party like a twenty one year old with
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the wife and kid at home, and my sister would
get pissed, like where are you? Like we have a
six month old baby, like like I need some help here.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, gino, before we continue, do me favor, don't mention
the girl that he was involved in. All right, don't
we don't. Don't do that. Just I know you're gonna
tell us, but don't just leave her name. Just call
her this person or something.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
God, Okay, So, yeah, he was cheating on my sister
with a bunch of girls. He would get caught constantly
because my sister is a hairdresser, uh and she she
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works out of my mother's house in uh New Howard,
and she she does great. She's a great, great hairstylist.
She makes tons of money. She has like over three
hundred clients. Yeah, so they tell her, you know, I
saw John with this girl.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
With that Yeah, women get to talking.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I got you right, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But she didn't. She just she loved him.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, she loved him. And it got to a point
where she had a like put a tracking device on
his car and stuff like that to see if it
was true. Follow, i know, follow him around, and then
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she found out the truth that he was.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Shooting on okay, and that takes us kind of where
we are today. So you you're kind of just we're
just kind of tired of it. Take me to what
happened the other day?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Okay. So what happened the other day was John. That's
him right there.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You're very descriptive by the way I give you that.
I think one thing I noticed and this is one
of your first times ever speaking, but you're very descriptive
in stories, which makes it to me more clear that
you're you're telling the truth, at least to me. But
uh yeah, So it all started with they assault you
for a reason, tell me what you did.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay. So what happened was my father stored John in
uh in Howard Beach, I stop and shop and he
uh went up to him and said, hey, listen, what
I would do to you, Like, how come I can't
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see my niece? And he said, because of your son,
You're lucky that I don't chase you out of the
neighborhood and I don't give your son a beating. And
that really ticked me. Off. You know, it's my father,
and my father didn't want to didn't really tell me.
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I found out through a family member, HM that that's
what happened. So I'm like, all right, whatever, you know,
screw him. And then after that, they were they were
was an incident where he saw him again, said the
(47:04):
same thing, and he's slapped him in the face. John
slapped my father in the face.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
You're kidding, not at all.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I'm not talking. He slapped them in the face five times.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
For just because he he asked him about his niece.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, just because he's Yeah, it's terrible. And my dad's
a really good guy. He's a great guy.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Gena said it on the podcast. You know, uh Gene
used to come into Albuls all the time, loved my father,
loved my grandfather, stuff like that. And when I found
out about that, that even made me even more pissed.
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So and then when I, uh so that happened, and
then I found out about uh so. After that, they
were getting into fights because because he was cheating, and
my sister kicked him out of the apartment. She let
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him back in again and again, concept back and forth.
He would come back in the apartment get kicked out.
He would remove himself and leave for a couple of days,
and then I found out that he wasn't paying the
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rent to my grandfather, so that really pissed me off.
And then that's when I went to the apartment when
nobody was home because John left and my sister was
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my mother's house doing clients.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
And.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
I broke in and I collected three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Was that just laying around or yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I was just laying around.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Okay, why did you I mean, according to the arrest updated,
why did you steal other things? What was the point
of that? Okay, I'm gonna do what I want and
take what I want.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't thinking about it, Okay, you know, yeah,
it was just spur of the moment thing.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I got you. I'm just gonna ask. I mean, you
can decline to answer, it's up to you. Do you
have a drug problem? No, Okay, you're just you were
just pissed off.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, I was just pissed off.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Kind of had all come to a head. He hit
your father, which that's insane. You know, he's been really
disrespecting your family, your your sister. So you did you
did h we do now know that they assaulted you.
What had happened there? And how so did he just
kind of figure out that you robbed them or attempted
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to rob them? What was the timeline? How quick did
this happen?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay, So what happened was when I was in the apartment,
I got my sister called the cops. So I was
taking the money and the chiluver and stuff. I was
about to leave, and all of a sudden, I look
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outside and I see the whole apartment is surrounded by police.
I'm like, oh crap, what should I do. So I'm
thinking to myself, I'm like, I don't know, you know.
I started freaking out, and then they were banging on there.
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They was screaming my name, do you know? Come out,
just come out. We know you're in there. And then
they found out because I climbed in through the back window.
It just happened to be unlocked. It was closed, but
it was unlocked. And then one of the police officers
uh figured out that that was the window because there
(51:24):
was a baby monitor. The actually caught me. That's how
my sister got the notion and the police climbed to
the window. I call in the closet like an idiot,
guns drawing. They're searching through the apartment flash lights, and
(51:50):
they finally come up to the closet. They rip it up,
they slide it open, and all I remember is looking
staring into the barrel of two pistols and bright fledgelights,
and like, the first thing I did was put my
hands up.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah a shot. It could have been bad, right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
It could have been really bad. So I'm like, I'm
like all right, And there was screaming. They were like
put your f and hands up. Put your f and
hands up. I'm like, all right, okaya, have relax, relax.
And then they took me. They grabbed me, they threw
me to the ground, and then I go outside and
my my dad was there, just my dad, and I
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got pretty much arrested and said to the to the
one o six precinct.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
So when did you get assaulted or at least allegedly
assaulted by these two?
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Okay, So when I got arrested, I I did the
whole process, did the precincts, central bookings, uh serious charges,
grand larceny, UH Class C felony, stuff like that. And
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then when I got released, it was about maybe twenty
something hours later. That was actually when I got pissed
and I thought that John called the cops, okay, And
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I went to Rebel inc.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
And to see that's his tattoo shop.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yes, yeah, it's a cross spay and Ozon Park. And
I went there to see if he was there. He
wasn't there. And I took this like this glass shelf.
It was about six feet tall, and I threw I
chucked it against the ground and shattered everywhere. There was
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a bunch of like souvenirs in it whatever. And that's
what really ticked them off was that I did that
got it so.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Like you just didn't give you just didn't give a ship.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
You were just protecting my family, bro.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
You were annoyed.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, yeah, I was really pissed.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
And that's what set them off to come fine you correct.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
And when I went back to my house, the whole
one or sixth person was there. There was an ambulance there,
and uh, I'm there was like I'm standing outside and
there was about be like ten cops in front of me.
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You know, we're talking whatever, And all of a sudden,
I see Peter the father on the court of my
e and then I'm like, what is he doing here?
So I'm like, all right, whatever, I'm talking to the police,
and then all of a sudden, I see John really quick,
(55:11):
like split second, punches me in the face, knocks me
to the ground, right in front of the police. My
mother happened to be standing right there, and then John
jumps on. Well, John punched me, and then Frankie punched me,
and then I fell to the ground because I didn't
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see it coming, and they punched me in the ribs,
and my mother jumped on top because she was protecting
her son. And that's when John started hitting my mother.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
You're kidding, bro, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Isn't that disgusting? He hit my mom?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Terrible, Yeah, she's sixty years old.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Sure, well, that's it's terrible. Yeah. Again, he very upset,
did it? Just did he? He didn't mean to hit her.
I'm not guessing right it.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Just to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised because he's
just like that, So.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Be that as it may. Cops break it up. He
kind of you know, he got hit with charges because
they were right there right. Oh, you both got hit
with charges. His brother get hit with charges. Everybody got hit.
His attorney, Jard Moron or their attorney, said that his
client's name is a blessing and a curse. We've heard
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them talk about that. Marone would state his last name is,
what his last name is. He's always walking around with
a target on his back. It's a double edged short.
I think sometimes the name is across the bear, but
I sometimes think it's a blessing. They're a beautiful family.
They're very supportive of him since day one. They really
stick together, the entire family. He also went on to
say some things about you that you deserved it, that
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sort of thing. I guess cut my hands up. He said, right, yeah, yeah,
what's your response to that?
Speaker 2 (57:09):
My response is ridiculous, like embarrassing. The family does not
get along. It's actually funny because I was speaking to
my mother a few days before this all happened, and
she was telling me that John came to the house
because he wanted to see the baby because my sister
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was keeping the baby away, and he was drunk, and
he kept on saying for some reason, he kept on
bringing up that my uncle is a rat. And I'm
ashamed of it, and I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
For some reason said that about his own uncle.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yes, John Jr.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Wow. Okay, so a lot of family feud, if you
will hear, you kind of took matters in your own hands.
You state that you hit your father. You you weren't
paying the rent, so you kind of took it in
your own hands. You went to the rebel ink, you
did everything there. We all know what happened. I guess
ultimately you're gonna face charges in this. I think we
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can all agree. I mean, the New York City laws
they're pretty leading. Yeah, they let you right out. You're
not really worried about these charges? Are you.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
A little bit? A little bit?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
When's your next when? When's your next appearance?
Speaker 2 (58:31):
My next court date is July twenty second?
Speaker 1 (58:34):
Okay, she had a little bit of time. What's the
last couple of days been because this happened? What Monday?
It's Thursday. They're obviously out, you're out. What do you
think happens next year?
Speaker 2 (58:51):
Like the end result?
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah? You think you're gonna forget about this or just yeah?
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah, I think it's gonna blow over, you know, eventually
this two shot pass. But I think John when he
got arrested, when the NYPD broke into his grandfather's home. Well,
I'm sorry, when they had a warrant for his grandfather's home,
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which my sister actually went to Rikers.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was arrested.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Well yeah, she was the only reason why she was
arrested because she was.
Speaker 1 (59:29):
In the same room as him, I understand. So they
took her into.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Right, Okay, and you know it was a serious thing.
He got a sentence of fifteen years and he did seven. Yeah,
so this doesn't does not look good. I'm but still
very lenient laws in New York City. It's only a
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misdemeanor charged for the assault on me. And then plus
I did press charges against him for the assault.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Did he press charges against you? No, so he's sticking
to the I'm not We don't press charges, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
We don't press charges. Gonna call the cops, but we
you know, my uncle is not around either, like you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, yeah, so this is just kind of a kind
of an ongoing thing. I have two questions for you.
Number one, why do you still live there? Do you
do you fear for your life? Do you ever worry?
I mean, you know, it seems like you know obviously
that there are certain people that don't like you, whether
or not we agree with it, you know, or you
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agree with it. His family does have a lot of deference,
I think, or don't they What what's there? What? What
does that name mean in Howard Beach today?
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Uh? The guy? It means absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing. It's
it's a glorified name, very glorified people. They're not scared
of them. I'm not scared of them. The only reason
why they did it was because there was people around,
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the cops around. You know, if John was a real man,
he would have confronted me instead of my father stopping
him in the face, right, and instead of running away.
You know, let's do like a one on one fight.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Right, you're saying, you know, come see me, don't don't
hurt my father, right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Because my father had nothing to do with it. Okay, Well,
my father is a great, great, great guy. You could
Jean says it all the time. Love my father. You
can ask anybody, but I to be honest, I hope
he gets goes back in prison. For my family's sake,
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for for my niece's sake.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
H to your your your word for her obviously, you
know it's it is a sad situation for a child
to deal with, and you're you're probably ultimately just hoping
that he just goes away and leaves her them alone,
you know where however that happens. Okay, Well, look, uh gino,
I I really wish you all the best with the case.
You have to let me know, we'll figure out what
(01:02:30):
happens here. Obviously. Obviously I do know that over the
last couple of days you have not been very kind
to this these people. You've you've said some pretty harsh
things about the family, about.
Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Them things on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, you've mentioned that, you know, the the grandfather is
a stand up guy, but the family is just kind
of repugnant in a way. You you haven't really let
things slide, are you. Are you worried about talking to
people about this? Do you just want to tell your
side and kind of what really happened? Do you think
that's kind of a problem where they just kind of
(01:03:08):
tell their side and you don't really ever get to
tell yours.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Correct, Yes, And that's that's how it's always really been.
You know, it's always been a lot of the news
organizations kind of glorify it, you know, because it sells. Yeah,
and there's always there's always two sides to a sort,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
That's what that's what I try to do. I try
to give everybody their side and listen. I will stay
very straight, straight up. I've always told the gods disc
they're welcome on this channel. If this kid wants to
come on and speak to me, he's welcome to his
father's welcome to any of them, are welcome. I give
the same opportunity to everybody. I'll say this, I'll tell
(01:03:52):
you good luck. You wanted to offer the audience the
ability to hear your side, because again, it's kind of
painted you as you were just robbing somebody's house. There's
been a lot of people that say that you deserved it,
you shouldn't have did that. Would you agree on this?
Can we agree on one thing? Yes, Let's say you
had no running, he never hurt your father, and you
(01:04:15):
just robbed their home. Do you feel that would be
a worthy response from them to do what they did
like that to you? Would you? Would you beat them up?
You would?
Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, of course definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
But you you you did it because you wanted your money,
with your family's money, and you just did what you did. Yeah,
fair enough, do you worry about admitting to that on camera?
Do you think that's going to hurt your case?
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
What will probably.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, yeah, it definitely will.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Right, But you want to tell your side, and you're
you're not denying what happened. You said, I did this.
I this is why I did it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I completely honest.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah. Yeah, Well listen, like I said, I wish all
the best with this, you know, I offer the other side.
They want to tell their side, you know, because again
papers get things wrong. You know, we're the only I'm
the only one. Few others are only ones really talking
about this side of it. We've obviously had, you know,
we've talked a lot about the gotties over the years.
(01:05:23):
I really appreciate you coming on with me. Is there
anything else you want to say before we wrap up? No,
you said your piece, I said my piece. Well I
appreciate it. You've actually lived a pretty interesting life. I
hope for your sake, you know, you kind of just
move on with things, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, about how the beach listen, I've always, for a
very long time, I always hated living here because a
very tight knit community. Every I knows your business. I
was just never into that, you know, I was just
never into that that It's crazy, you know, as it
(01:06:05):
might sound. I was never into that drama. Neither was
my family, my parents. My grandfather legitimate businessman, hardworking man.
Same with my parents, very hard working.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
So yeah, it's it's tough. I mean, you can't you
live where you live. You know, home is home, but
you know it's not always the best place for you,
you know. Listen, you seem like you have a good
head on your shoulders. I'm sure you'll figure it out.
I wish all the best with it. You know, you'll
have to let us know what you end up doing,
(01:06:38):
all right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yes, I will. Thank you so much for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, not a problem, and I thank you for coming on.
I'll invite everybody you know. Let me know which thing
in the comments below. Do you want you want to
share your social media? Do you want people to follow you?
Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Sure, why not tell them what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Go ahead, Okay, you can follow me on Instagram. It's
GINO G N three g I N O G ninety three.
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I actually have one of your posts here right there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It is. You're a great journalist. Thank you you had
everything ready with the pictures.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, you're doing your job, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Thank you. Everybody. Go check it out, Go check him out.
You've definitely said what you feel. I'll give you that.
Thanks coming on with me. I really appreciate it. Hang
on the call and just wrap it up and I'll
come right back to you, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Uh So there you go, guys, Thanks for the Gina
for coming on telling his side of the story. Like
I said, I invite all sides in this story to
if they want to speak to me, they're welcome to it.
I won't wait for that. I'm sure it won't ever come,
but if you do, I'm here and I thank you
for that. Thanks everybody for watching. Like I said, let
(01:07:49):
me know what you thinking of the comments below. We'll
see you next week. Here wrong, sit down. He
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she's my only sister, so it'll be a good time.
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I said, this is one that I recorded and I
really thought about whether I wanted to deliver it to
you because the guy we spoke to is not necessarily
(03:43):
a mobster. In fact, he's really kind of a fringe
mob associate to an associate, but he's a really interesting
guy and it relates to a recent story that has
kind of been talked about in the space of the
mob genre. It involves the grandsons of John Gottie, and
essentially it's a family feud back and forth. And I
(04:03):
spoke to the individual that was assaulted by the goddies.
His name is Gino Gabrielli, and I'm going to warn
you this was a difficult interview to do. I believe again,
I'm one of the only people to ever speak to
him about this, and there were times where it was tough.
You know, he isn't exactly someone that gets his points
(04:25):
across quickly. He had to think and was very detailed
and responding. I asked that you offer up and not
rush to judgment on him. What's interesting is he told
a lot of stories, in fact, one of which was
surrounding the arson of a vehicle with a person called
Peter Tuccio, who we've talked about. Gabrielli and Tuccio were
(04:46):
close friends. They committed this arson together. In fact, the
guy we spoke to is the individual that actually set
the car on fire. We talked about that, we talked
about his cooperation, we talked about life and Howard Beach today,
and we talked to about the long odyssey that has
been his sister's marriage to John Gotti, the grandson of
John Gotti Senior. What's interesting is today, Tuesday, June tenth,
(05:11):
is actually the twenty u what is it, the twenty
third anniversary of the death of John Gotti. John Gotti
died on this day in two thousand and two, and
we're still talking about him, his lineage, uh and his
uh you know, family members. So I asked, sit back, relaxed.
This is a good interview. It's over an hour long,
(05:32):
and I thought it was important to deliver to our
audio people as well. I think you'll enjoy it. And yeah,
let's get to it. Gino Gabrielli on the sit down.
I'm bringing him here to you. His name is Geno Gabrielli. Gino,
you're you're an interesting guy. I'll just say that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yes, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, you've you've never really spoken to anybody. I do
know that, you know, you know guys like Jean Barrello,
who's from that neighborhood. We Gene and I had our
run in from time to time. We have a long
history on here. Yes, you're from Howard Beach. You were
recently in the news involving these guys which we're going
to talk about a second bout. This is your first
(06:13):
time speaking to me and my first time speaking to you.
You're from Howard Beach. Your family is actually the owners
and proprietors of Aldos, which is a pizzeria, right correct.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yes, my grandfather he used to own al those cross
Bay Boulevard in Ozon Park and he sold it about
four years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay. And I also, from what I understand, your father
was involved in the business, is that true?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yes, he was the manager there for about twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Okay, So your family sold the pizzeria and it's no longer
in your name, but the name is still there and
it's still there, right, yes, okay, understood. Now before we
get into this whole situation that transpired, Howard Beach has
a long history in the mob as we know. I mean,
guys like John Gotti, Joey Messino, all these different big
(07:07):
mobsters live there. It's very fertile ground for that life.
It's Nero's own park, It's near all these different areas.
What was it like growing up there? You know, what
kind of things did you see? What was that like?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Uh, growing up. Yes, I did see a lot of
organized crime, especially at my grandfather's piece area when I
was young. At the time, I didn't really know. But
once I got older, I you know, started to realize
that the things that were going on were organized crime,
(07:46):
Gambino crime family.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And stuff like that. And look, gin know, I'm not
gonna I know certain things that I've heard about maybe
people in your own family. Right, It's it's hard to
have a business in that area and these people aren't
coming in, right you kind of almost It's just a
different way of living. I understand you though. You know,
(08:10):
you went to school that sort of thing, you lived
in that neighborhood. Were you Were you friends with a
lot of these kids that that like at once, like
these Gotty kids, were you friends with them at any point?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Uh? The Gottis not really uh friend of friends. Would
pass by them every once in a while and speak
to like John, Uh Peter's son him, yes, and stuff
like that, but I'm never really a close relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, gotcha you mentioned he's Peter's son. We know Peter Gotty.
He's the youngest child of John Gotti Sr. The Gottis
have several kids you know Victoria Angel, John Junior, Peter.
They obviously had another son who tragically died in nineteen eight,
but he's the youngest son that's alive still. He has
(09:06):
multiple children, one of which is John Gotti. A lot
of John Gotti's in that family, by the way, they
like that name. Every kid has a kid named John Gotti.
He also has a brother, this kid on the left
or on the left and the white. I want to
talk about all that, but I want to talk about
(09:27):
your involvement with with with a person called Peter Tuccio.
You know Peter, Yes, okay, yeah, we've talked about Peter
on I don't know if you know this, but on
YouTube he's become a little bit of a cult favorite.
People are either really interested in him or they think
certain things of him. Tell me about Peter. What kind
of kid was he?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Peter was a very uh he was trying to create
his own organized crime army, like his own family. He
came from a good family. He was a very spoiled kid.
He never worked at day in his life, and he
was just obsessed with the the Howard Beach organized crime
(10:11):
lifestyle element right, yes, element?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So he and when we do know because it's common knowledge.
I mean, he was constantly trying to be involved with
the Bananos and his uncle, with the Lukes's and the Gambinos.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yes, he was all over the place. He was all
different families. There was a lot of problems. He was
a loose cannon.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, yeah, I've heard that. Was he a tough guy?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Or I wouldn't say tough guy, I would just say
like sick in the head, like crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, Yeah, I think he might have to be a
little bit to want to be involved with that world
at least today or really ever in general. But okay,
so you you were friends, you and him, You you
you power around, you did things? Did you ever get
in fights with him with other people? Like you mentioned
he was trying to be a mobster in some way,
(11:04):
they try to create his own family. Like did he
say hey, let's do this and do that? Like was
he kind of okay?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah? He when we were younger, I was around twenty
two and and we used to hang out, go to
college bars and stuff like that, and he was and
he would always try to start fights and start problems
and stuff like that, and he would try to shake
people down in the neighborhood and said cars on fire.
(11:39):
He would cause chaos in Howard Beach.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Okay, and you mentioned setting cars on fire. That the
thing that you obviously were involved in and he was
involved in. You were involved in an arson of a vehicle.
From what I understand, you, Peter and another dude you
spot some guy. Explain this was this Peter's thing? Or
(12:02):
were you involved with Peter in that thing? Did he say, Hey,
we're going to do this for someone, or hey, we're
both gonna do this for someone. Did you know who
was or what you were doing at the time.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I had no idea who the guy was. I found
out after that it was the owner of Sophia's Pizza
and he owed money to Iggy Uh the guy yes him, uh,
And it was over one hundred dollars. And so it
(12:34):
was me, Peter and Jonathan Garno and we were hanging out.
We went to a local smoke shop in Howard Beach
and Peter spotted him in the smoke shop and it
came up to me and uh, John, and he said,
(12:56):
this guy, Uh, go outside and see what kind of
car he's driving. So the kid, Jonathan Garna went outside
and said He's driving a Mercedes. So Peter was like, okay,
we have a problem. So the owner of Sophia's Pizza
got what he needed, he went outside in his car.
(13:19):
We went outside into Peter's jeep at the time, and
we followed him. We chased them around the neighborhood. At
first didn't realized, but then after a few minutes he realized,
and then it was like a cat and mouse chase.
He was like trying to dodge us. It went off
(13:42):
for like thirty minutes all around Howard Beach, and then
he went to Gino's Pizzeria and he ran inside for
protection because I guess he had some connections there. And
we were sitting outside and this old Italian guy, I'm
not sure if he was connected or not, came out
up to us in the jeep and he said, what's
(14:06):
the problem, and uh Peter cursed him out. He said, man,
your fucking business and the old man went back inside.
So then Peter uh said to Jonathan Grino, Uh, go
in there and tell the owner of Sophia's Pizza to
(14:29):
come outside, which he did, and then all three and
then me and Peter came out of the jeep. Peter
was talking to him and he said, how is iggy?
He said, just like that to him and he said,
(14:50):
I don't know what you're talking about. Who's iggy? So
I said, okay, all right, just watch your back. So
the owner of Sophius Pizza went back into his car.
He left Peter me Jonathan, and Peter went back into
(15:13):
the jeep. We followed him around and we found out
where he lived because he figured that he was safe.
He was fine, and it was only a few blocks
away from Gino's Pizzeria.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
So during all this, like when you're in the car,
did Peter say to you, Hey, we're doing this for
this and this is why we're doing it. Did you
just go along with it because you were friends and whatever.
Didn't you think maybe you shouldn't do that?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh? Yeah, definitely. It definitely crossed my mind that it was,
you know, the wrong thing to do, and I was
just in the wrong situation.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You were just a young kid, though, and you didn't
really Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I was young, stupid. I just wanted to hang out.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So you find a you find this guy's house. Does
Peter say to you, Okay, we're gonna this is what
we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right, So what happened was we found the house and
Jonathan was like, just leave it alone, just take me home,
and so Peter took Jonathan home and then it was
just me and Peter hanging out. You know, we were
drinking beers, smoking cigars and in the jeep. And then
(16:31):
all of a sudden, he goes, you know what, fuck
this guy, We're gonna let up some fireworks tonight. So
I'm thinking to myself, what do you mean fireworks? He
goes call Jonathan. Okay, I said, okay, I tell him
what I said. So I called Jonathan Girino. I said,
Peter said that we're gonna let up some fireworks. He goes,
(16:52):
what do you mean? He goes, We're gonna come pick
you up, just come outside. He goes, all right, So
we go back, we go pick up Jonathan, and Peter
tells me and Jonathan that we're gonna set as carn flyer.
And he wanted Jonathan Grino to do.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
It, so he really so he wouldn't do it himself.
He wanted you to do it. Correct, Yes, did you
say to him?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You do it? Like, why do you want us to
do it?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'll get into that. So I don't really say much
at that moment, you know, I was just going along
with it. And then Peter goes to his house, he
gets a jerry can, he gets a pair of gloves,
(17:51):
a hat, and he comes back out and he goes,
we're going to a gas station. And then Peter's father
owns a trucking company and so he gets free, gets lean.
So we go to this place. It was off the
belt Parker somewhere I can't remember exactly, but he takes
(18:14):
to jerry can. He fills it up all the way
to the top. There was no uh, he didn't have
the uh, the cap for the jerry can. And so
he comes back in. We're just talking. We go back
to the neighborhood and he asks me if I could
(18:38):
use my car because everybody knows his car, which is
Peter knows his Jeep. So I'm like, yeah, whatever's threw it,
and so he takes He drops me off a few
blocks away from my house. I grabbed my car and
(18:59):
we meet up a few blocks away and then we
go to this guy's house, which happened to be only
a few blocks away from my house. The owner of Sophia's,
you know pizza and so Peter's driving my car, Jonathan
(19:21):
Greno's in the passenger seat, and I'm in the back
and they get out for like a split second without me.
They told me to stay in the car. They go
down the block, they were talking. I don't know what
they were talking about. They come back and then John
(19:41):
Jonathan was willing to do it at first, but then
he chickened out, and then they were arguing back and forth.
Peter was like, you said you were gonna do it,
Stop chicking it out this and that. Jonathan was like,
(20:03):
I feel like this is not a good idea, this
is it. Just take me home. This is stupid. So me,
like an idiot, young and stupid, I'm like, you know what.
Because it was like a full blown argument for ten
minutes and I'm just sitting there. I'm like this is ridiculous.
So I'm like, just I'll do it. So Peter's like,
(20:24):
you say, you know, it's got balls. So I take
the Jerry can and there was so much gasoline in
it that it was pouring onto my jeans right not
even realizing, and it gives me that. He gives me
a torch. Peter and I we were about around the
(20:48):
corner and I get out of the car with the
Jerry Can. I walk across the avenue. I go over
to the Mercedes and I pour the entire jerry Can
on the windshield because that's what Peter said to do.
(21:09):
Put it on the windshield and just light it. So
I'm like, all right, so I do that. It was
a lot of gasteline. I'm talking probably like over a gallon.
I light it. I made sure nobody was inside because
I don't want to hurt nobody, and the car literally exploded,
(21:31):
like right in front of my eyes. Literally, it was.
It was crazy, like I was like at first, I
was like, oh my god, that was insane, and then
I'm like running away. I'm like, wait a minute, my
leg is starting to burn a little bit. And I
looked down and my my right leg was on fire.
(21:54):
So I'm like and so I'm like, shit, what do
I do? So I'm running, I stopped. I tried putting
it out with my hands, and then I don't know
what told me this, but I stopped, dropped and rolled
on the corner on the concrete as Jonathan and Peter
(22:16):
were in the car like half a block away, and
from what they told me. Jonathan said to Peter, I
think Gene was on fire, and Peter was like, no way,
get out of here, no way. He looks in the
mirror he goes, holy shit he is. So they didn't
even come over to help. They just stayed in the car.
(22:38):
So I the cause it's an inferno. I'm screaming for
help because I was in a lot of pain. I
wouldn't I wouldn't wish that pain on my worst enemy.
It was the worst pain in the world. And then
eventually the fire goes out. I run over back to
(22:58):
the car. Yeah, but like I had like a limp
over because that was in so much pain, right, And
I jump in the back seat and I'm like screaming
excruciating pain. I'm like, guys, you gotta take me to
the hospital. They were like, what happened? Blah blah blah,
(23:18):
what what did you do? I'm like, the car exploded.
Jonathan asked me, where's the Jerry King because his fingerprints
were on it. He was worried about that. I'm like,
just I need to go to the hospital. So I'm
like take me. Don't take me to Jamaica. I take
me somewhere else. So they're trying to come up with
(23:39):
a story on what I'm gonna say. They were like,
when you go to the hospital because I reaped of gasoline.
They were like, just say you were running a quad
in the weeds and Howard Beach and it flipped over
and it exploded. And then Peter was like, no, Johnathan,
(24:01):
that's stupid. Just tell tell them you were cooking at
home and the oil from the uh from the cooking
one on your jeans and it caught fire.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
So so they were trying to come up with all
these stories. And I'm not sure why would you have
gasoline in a kitchen. That wouldn't make any sense, right, Yeah,
So they were trying to come up with all these
ideas because you were the only one that had the
balls to do it. You did it. Where was the
did the guy like come outside or anything during all
this that the homeowner?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
From what I remember, I didn't see anybody really come
out because it happened so fast.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Okay, And.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But there was camera footage of.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It, okay, And then so they were able to acquire that.
They also, from what I understand, they have you you
guys at the hospital going into the hospital, but you know,
you're a young guy. You don't think anything of it,
like this had really been the first time you did
any being illegal. You were just kind of doing it
because you were sick of them arguing by not doing it,
and you just did it. But but you guys, weren't
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really going to get get any money out of this.
Was Peter doing this trickly to like impress people.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yes, exactly he was. He was trying to impress Joan
Merlino that he was very very close with at the time.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Were you trying to impress anyone? Did you? What did
you want out of your life? Is that what you
wanted to do as well?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No? Absolutely not, No, Okay, it was just I grew
up in that environment. Yeah, I was just surrounded by
all these wannabe gangsters. This one's father's a gangster, this
one's uncle's a gangster, cousins a gangster.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So it was just like, where was Peter? Okay, where
was Peter on the wannabe scale? To you?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh, the wannabe scale, he was top tier one hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Okay, yeah, I've heard that. So ultimately, you guys, you know,
I have to ask you, like now, like it's been
years since this happened. Your leg was ultimate?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay, yes, thankfully I got a skin graft.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Wow. Yeah, oh yeah, it was really bad.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I could show you my leg right now if you want.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I believe you. No, I believe you. That's a wow,
that's amazing. So you you then realize you're gonna have
to face federal charges over this. Did you when they
kind of said to you, this is gonna go federal?
Did you? What'd you think when they said that.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It took about three months after the event, which is
not a long time for the Feds to uh uh
get a complaint. When I found out, I was like, shit,
I'm screwed. Uh mandatory five year minimum and it upset
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my parents, It traumatized me. It went on for a
very long time. The FBI knocked on my door randomly
one day and I got arrested back in twenty twenty
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three of February.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So, yeah, so they come get you, They take you to,
you know, some kind of federal building. Did they say
to you, you know, you tell them what happened? Essentially?
Did they say to you, hey, look, you know, do
you really want to go to jail over this guy
or this whole thing? Yes, tell me what your thought.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Process was there?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
We had a little tech issues. So you're approached by
the FBI. What was your thought process with all this?
What did you end up doing?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
The thought process was there were the feel how agents
were telling me, you know, you're a young kid, give
made a mistake, you the wrong friends, the wrong time.
You didn't want to go to jail for this over
something stupid. At the time, I really didn't say much
because I was just so stressed out and so out
of it. And then I got a booked. I spent
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the night at the FBI building. I got released the
next day, and then my bail was five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Wow. Yeah, so you you know you were gonna have
to pay a little bit to even get out. Did
you think to yourself, like, I can't I can't say anything.
I'm gonna be looked at really badly in this neighborhood. Yeah,
did you think about that? You ultimately? You ultimately you
did talk ultimately. Did you worry about that? Did you care? Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
At first? I did at first, and then after like
a few weeks, I said to myself, what are they
really gonna do? Like I had a lot of people
come up to me and say, listen, you're a good kid.
You made a mistake. You better off just cooperating.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Uh and and and you did? Did did you just
kind of say to yourself, you know this guy in
a friend to me, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
F basically yeah, pretty much when when I was in
the hospital, Peter went on the lamb and didn't even
visit me in the hospital. He didn't even uh call
a check up, bobity he he He went into like
a a rat hole. Pretty much. He was nowhere to
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be found.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Eventually, Peter did get sentenced to ten years in this case. Now,
obviously that's a pretty lengthy sentence for what he actually
ended up doing. Generally, it was probably because of some
of the people he was around at the time. It's
alleged that Peter tuccio Is is made guy, at least
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at this point. What would you say to him now
if you, if you could, Is that surprising to you
at all?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Surprising that he's allegedly made Yeah, that would be very surprising.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yes, what do you mean? Why do you say that?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Because he was disliked by a lot of other organized
crime guys gangsters When it happens like a couple of
days after Ron and g Lonzo's crew they beat Peter
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Tuccio to a pulp.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I've heard about that.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, they beat them to a pulp. Ron, did you
actually had in my back? He felt better for me,
and I respect him for that. You know, I'm not
gonna lie. He's he's a stand up guy. So what
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was the only question? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, just are you you know, were you surprised that
he you know, that people accepted him. Were you surprised
that you know, again, it's alleged that it wasn't a
New York family that accepted him, it was another family.
What would you say to him if if if you could, like,
do you have any gave ill will towards him? You know,
you know he won't like you, but oh.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, he definitely.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Now you're not a kid anymore. You're this is what
ten years ago since you did that. Yeah, you're obviously
older now, you know. Do you feel bad for him?
Even kind of?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Uh? To be honest, no, I don't, because the way
he acted towards everybody, he had no respect. His own
father even said my grandfather's pizzeria said, it's in my
father that my son thinks he's a gangster. Okay, Peter's
father is like the nicest guy.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I've heard that hard.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Working man, worked his whole life. Peter wanted nothing to
do with his father's business, didn't want to work. He
just wanted He was just obsessed with this organized crime life.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So he kind of did it to himself.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, he finds it to himself. He it was almost
like he wanted to get arrested, like the way he
would talk.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
So you think in prison, it's probably he's probably loving it.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
To be honest, Yes, he's loving it.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Interesting, Go ahead, No, that's fine. I was just gonna say,
you still live in Howard Beach right or in the
area unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Say unfortunately it's a lot of different neighborhood. Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, it changed a lot. I mean the recent incident
with the goddis they're like the only people. But I
don't want to say organized crime because they're they're not
organized crime whatsoever. They're a glorified family. Their grandfather was,
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you know, a legend. I'll give him that. Some people
say he destroyed the mob because of the media attention,
but right now there's a very little mob influence in Howard.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Beach when you were you were younger, right when you
were growing up. He died in two thousand and two.
You were pretty young, right, you were in your you know,
teenage years. Do you remember that day or anything? Do
you remember anything about what was neighborhood like? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I don't remember because I was really young.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Okay, you were like seven eight years old, right.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Seven eight years old? Yes, correct? And I was when
I was growing up. I was very shy at that age.
Good kid, you know. I just went to school. My
parents made sure that they tried very hard for me
not to get involved with people from people from friends,
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from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
They were good people. They wanted you to make something
of yourself, you know, and find you know, and I've
talked about this on this channel.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Unfortunately, where you grew up is a strong indication of
what a lot of time you can be. And if
you're around a lot of people like that, it's now
surprise that you end up maybe wanting to become or
becoming that. You have a sister, right, and this is
where kind of of dings kind of go together. Yes,
Her sister is married to John Gotti. Mm hm, you
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know she younger older than you.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
She's older.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Okay, when she told you, hey, I'm dating him, or
you found out, how'd you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I was extremely upset and I was furious.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Was it just because she was dating someone or who
she was dating?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's because she was dating this, uh, this guy at
the time when she was this was years ago, she
was much younger. She was dating uh, this kid named
Anthony Mafia and things didn't work out. They it was
a mutual breakup.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And then Anthony Mafia. That's a wild name to have
in Howard.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, I know, right, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's a that's a good name for him, but it's
a wild name.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
He was actually a really good guy. Heh nice guy.
He took care of my sister. He he was construction
union what do you call the.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
The union guy?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He was a crane operator. Okay, so he made a
lot of money. Yeah, but things didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Which sucks because it seems like he was a pretty
good guy. Probably would have took care of your sister,
kind of you want to date your sister. I have
a sister. That'd be the kind of guy. I wouldn't
want to date. Yeah, instead she brings home this guy,
and you would kind of said, you know, you didn't
really care for him that much, per say, but you
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know he was around. Ultimately, we know with him, he
did time in prison. He was moving around with Jean
Morello and and and that group. They eventually get married.
Take us to present day. We know that over the
last several days you were arrested on some charges, which
we'll talk about. It's been kind of painted that you
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just robbed your sister's house.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know, certain people have said you have a drug problem,
which you can talk about or not up to you
that said what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So what happened was John when he got out of
prison about two years ago, he wants nothing to do
with me or my father. Him and my sister had
a baby, beautiful baby, by the way, and.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
He just stop you real quick, Why is that? Because
you cooperated? Yes? Got it?
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
But I have to ask go ahead, His uncle cooperated, right.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
His uncle cooperated?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Is that okay to talk to him? You tell me,
got it okay? Continue? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh no, no, no, no, that's fine. So he got out. I
actually saw him one day when he was out after
a few months in the neighborhood and I went to
go say hello, and he said to me, do me
(38:43):
a favor and just walk away. So I'm like, all right, whatever,
let me not even waste my breath. So Tom goes on.
I see him around the neighborhood and every time I
would see him, when he would see me, he would
run away. He would see me and like get nervous
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and run back in his car and drive away.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Why why is that? Do you just didn't want to
be seen around you or like.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's a great question because he hangs out with convicted
felons all the time. I read a link at all
these places.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So you didn't really understand.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I really didn't get it. Maybe, uh, he didn't
want to piss off my sister.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Now your sister and you, is it a strenuous relationship?
Are you close? How is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
We do not get along, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
But you she's still your sister and they have a
child together. That's your niece, right, I don't I'm guessing
you don't have any other nieces or nephews. Yeah, so
you know you're trying to try to maintain a relation ship.
How does it get to today where we see that
you've brtalized the home that they were living in. Now,
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from what I understand, that apartment they live in is
owned by your family. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes, it's owned by my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Okay, Now he's still alive. Correct, Yes, Okay, from what
I've gathered, he is alive. He has a building in
that area. John, your sister and their daughter live there.
They're paying rent to him. They aren't paying, is that correct?
Or he's not paying.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
He's not paying because the deal was when John got out.
Because John and my sister got married in prison, which
is very embarrassing, and Ella was pregnant and she needed
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like they needed an apartment. But he promised her the world,
the world. When he was in prison, he was like,
when I had the big wedding reception, We're going to
move to Long Island, get out of Howard Beach. It
was all predicated on lies. And when he got out,
he spoke to my grandfather. They made a deal. I'm
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not sure the exact price of the rent, but I
think it was like twelve hundred.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
A month, very cheap in that area, yes.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Very cheap, And my grandfather's worth a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And he didn't really you know, he didn't really need
He was just trying to help out his granddaughter. I
want to ask though, real quick, your family, like your
your father, mother, grandfather, even did they ever say to
your your your sister, hey, like do you really want
to get involved with these people?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Oh? Yeah, of course, not so much my grandfather because
there was my family, you know, you know what I'm there, right, Yeah,
you get it, especially when there's money involved. My parents
were totally against it, totally against it. They hated the
idea then, Like I mean, at first, he tried like
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he tried to pull off that mister nice guy shure
of respect. He would come into my in my house
high off of oxy cotton pills and stuff like that,
and we would notice. But my sister, you know, she's
the oldest, very stubborn, and yeah, they were definitely not
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happy with it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Got it? So you does he he ends up getting
to a point where he's not paying the rent? Is
that correct?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yes? Yes? Recently. So what happened was he got caught
cheating on my sister.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
What do you mean.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
He uh So they moved into the apartment about I
would say about a year ago and with the baby
and everything, and he would go out. He would get drunk,
you know, party like a twenty one year old with
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the wife and kid at home, and my sister would
get pissed, like where are you? Like we have a
six month old baby, like like I need some help here.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, gino, before we continue, do me favor, don't mention
the girl that he was involved in. All right, don't
we don't. Don't do that. Just I know you're gonna
tell us, but don't just leave her name. Just call
her this person or something.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
God, Okay, So, yeah, he was cheating on my sister
with a bunch of girls. He would get caught constantly
because my sister is a hairdresser, uh and she she
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works out of my mother's house in uh New Howard,
and she she does great. She's a great, great hairstylist.
She makes tons of money. She has like over three
hundred clients. Yeah, so they tell her, you know, I
saw John with this girl.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
With that Yeah, women get to talking.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I got you right, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
But she didn't. She just she loved him.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, she loved him. And it got to a point
where she had a like put a tracking device on
his car and stuff like that to see if it
was true. Follow, i know, follow him around, and then
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she found out the truth that he was.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Shooting on okay, and that takes us kind of where
we are today. So you you're kind of just we're
just kind of tired of it. Take me to what
happened the other day?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Okay. So what happened the other day was John. That's
him right there.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You're very descriptive by the way I give you that.
I think one thing I noticed and this is one
of your first times ever speaking, but you're very descriptive
in stories, which makes it to me more clear that
you're you're telling the truth, at least to me. But
uh yeah, So it all started with they assault you
for a reason, tell me what you did.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay. So what happened was my father stored John in
uh in Howard Beach, I stop and shop and he
uh went up to him and said, hey, listen, what
I would do to you, Like, how come I can't
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see my niece? And he said, because of your son,
You're lucky that I don't chase you out of the
neighborhood and I don't give your son a beating. And
that really ticked me. Off. You know, it's my father,
and my father didn't want to didn't really tell me.
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I found out through a family member, HM that that's
what happened. So I'm like, all right, whatever, you know,
screw him. And then after that, they were they were
was an incident where he saw him again, said the
(47:04):
same thing, and he's slapped him in the face. John
slapped my father in the face.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
You're kidding, not at all.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I'm not talking. He slapped them in the face five times.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
For just because he he asked him about his niece.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, just because he's Yeah, it's terrible. And my dad's
a really good guy. He's a great guy.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Gena said it on the podcast. You know, uh Gene
used to come into Albuls all the time, loved my father,
loved my grandfather, stuff like that. And when I found
out about that, that even made me even more pissed.
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So and then when I, uh so that happened, and
then I found out about uh so. After that, they
were getting into fights because because he was cheating, and
my sister kicked him out of the apartment. She let
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him back in again and again, concept back and forth.
He would come back in the apartment get kicked out.
He would remove himself and leave for a couple of days,
and then I found out that he wasn't paying the
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rent to my grandfather, so that really pissed me off.
And then that's when I went to the apartment when
nobody was home because John left and my sister was
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my mother's house doing clients.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
And.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
I broke in and I collected three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Was that just laying around or yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I was just laying around.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Okay, why did you I mean, according to the arrest updated,
why did you steal other things? What was the point
of that? Okay, I'm gonna do what I want and
take what I want.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't thinking about it, Okay, you know, yeah,
it was just spur of the moment thing.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I got you. I'm just gonna ask. I mean, you
can decline to answer, it's up to you. Do you
have a drug problem? No, Okay, you're just you were
just pissed off.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, I was just pissed off.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Kind of had all come to a head. He hit
your father, which that's insane. You know, he's been really
disrespecting your family, your your sister. So you did you
did h we do now know that they assaulted you.
What had happened there? And how so did he just
kind of figure out that you robbed them or attempted
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to rob them? What was the timeline? How quick did
this happen?
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay, So what happened was when I was in the apartment,
I got my sister called the cops. So I was
taking the money and the chiluver and stuff. I was
about to leave, and all of a sudden, I look
(50:37):
outside and I see the whole apartment is surrounded by police.
I'm like, oh crap, what should I do. So I'm
thinking to myself, I'm like, I don't know, you know.
I started freaking out, and then they were banging on there.
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They was screaming my name, do you know? Come out,
just come out. We know you're in there. And then
they found out because I climbed in through the back window.
It just happened to be unlocked. It was closed, but
it was unlocked. And then one of the police officers
uh figured out that that was the window because there
(51:24):
was a baby monitor. The actually caught me. That's how
my sister got the notion and the police climbed to
the window. I call in the closet like an idiot,
guns drawing. They're searching through the apartment flash lights, and
(51:50):
they finally come up to the closet. They rip it up,
they slide it open, and all I remember is looking
staring into the barrel of two pistols and bright fledgelights,
and like, the first thing I did was put my
hands up.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah a shot. It could have been bad, right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
It could have been really bad. So I'm like, I'm
like all right, And there was screaming. They were like
put your f and hands up. Put your f and
hands up. I'm like, all right, okaya, have relax, relax.
And then they took me. They grabbed me, they threw
me to the ground, and then I go outside and
my my dad was there, just my dad, and I
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got pretty much arrested and said to the to the
one o six precinct.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
So when did you get assaulted or at least allegedly
assaulted by these two?
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Okay, So when I got arrested, I I did the
whole process, did the precincts, central bookings, uh serious charges,
grand larceny, UH Class C felony, stuff like that. And
(53:14):
then when I got released, it was about maybe twenty
something hours later. That was actually when I got pissed
and I thought that John called the cops, okay, And
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I went to Rebel inc.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
And to see that's his tattoo shop.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yes, yeah, it's a cross spay and Ozon Park. And
I went there to see if he was there. He
wasn't there. And I took this like this glass shelf.
It was about six feet tall, and I threw I
chucked it against the ground and shattered everywhere. There was
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a bunch of like souvenirs in it whatever. And that's
what really ticked them off was that I did that
got it so.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Like you just didn't give you just didn't give a ship.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
You were just protecting my family, bro.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
You were annoyed.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, yeah, I was really pissed.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
And that's what set them off to come fine you correct.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
And when I went back to my house, the whole
one or sixth person was there. There was an ambulance there,
and uh, I'm there was like I'm standing outside and
there was about be like ten cops in front of me.
(54:51):
You know, we're talking whatever, And all of a sudden,
I see Peter the father on the court of my
e and then I'm like, what is he doing here?
So I'm like, all right, whatever, I'm talking to the police,
and then all of a sudden, I see John really quick,
(55:11):
like split second, punches me in the face, knocks me
to the ground, right in front of the police. My
mother happened to be standing right there, and then John
jumps on. Well, John punched me, and then Frankie punched me,
and then I fell to the ground because I didn't
(55:34):
see it coming, and they punched me in the ribs,
and my mother jumped on top because she was protecting
her son. And that's when John started hitting my mother.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
You're kidding, bro, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Isn't that disgusting? He hit my mom?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Terrible, Yeah, she's sixty years old.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Sure, well, that's it's terrible. Yeah. Again, he very upset,
did it? Just did he? He didn't mean to hit her.
I'm not guessing right it.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
Just to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised because he's
just like that, So.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Be that as it may. Cops break it up. He
kind of you know, he got hit with charges because
they were right there right. Oh, you both got hit
with charges. His brother get hit with charges. Everybody got hit.
His attorney, Jard Moron or their attorney, said that his
client's name is a blessing and a curse. We've heard
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them talk about that. Marone would state his last name is,
what his last name is. He's always walking around with
a target on his back. It's a double edged short.
I think sometimes the name is across the bear, but
I sometimes think it's a blessing. They're a beautiful family.
They're very supportive of him since day one. They really
stick together, the entire family. He also went on to
say some things about you that you deserved it, that
(57:03):
sort of thing. I guess cut my hands up. He said, right, yeah, yeah,
what's your response to that?
Speaker 2 (57:09):
My response is ridiculous, like embarrassing. The family does not
get along. It's actually funny because I was speaking to
my mother a few days before this all happened, and
she was telling me that John came to the house
because he wanted to see the baby because my sister
(57:31):
was keeping the baby away, and he was drunk, and
he kept on saying for some reason, he kept on
bringing up that my uncle is a rat. And I'm
ashamed of it, and I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
For some reason said that about his own uncle.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yes, John Jr.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Wow. Okay, so a lot of family feud, if you
will hear, you kind of took matters in your own hands.
You state that you hit your father. You you weren't
paying the rent, so you kind of took it in
your own hands. You went to the rebel ink, you
did everything there. We all know what happened. I guess
ultimately you're gonna face charges in this. I think we
(58:14):
can all agree. I mean, the New York City laws
they're pretty leading. Yeah, they let you right out. You're
not really worried about these charges? Are you.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
A little bit? A little bit?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
When's your next when? When's your next appearance?
Speaker 2 (58:31):
My next court date is July twenty second?
Speaker 1 (58:34):
Okay, she had a little bit of time. What's the
last couple of days been because this happened? What Monday?
It's Thursday. They're obviously out, you're out. What do you
think happens next year?
Speaker 2 (58:51):
Like the end result?
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah? You think you're gonna forget about this or just yeah?
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah, I think it's gonna blow over, you know, eventually
this two shot pass. But I think John when he
got arrested, when the NYPD broke into his grandfather's home. Well,
I'm sorry, when they had a warrant for his grandfather's home,
(59:20):
which my sister actually went to Rikers.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was arrested.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Well yeah, she was the only reason why she was
arrested because she was.
Speaker 1 (59:29):
In the same room as him, I understand. So they
took her into.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Right, Okay, and you know it was a serious thing.
He got a sentence of fifteen years and he did seven. Yeah,
so this doesn't does not look good. I'm but still
very lenient laws in New York City. It's only a
(59:57):
misdemeanor charged for the assault on me. And then plus
I did press charges against him for the assault.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Did he press charges against you? No, so he's sticking
to the I'm not We don't press charges, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
We don't press charges. Gonna call the cops, but we
you know, my uncle is not around either, like you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, yeah, so this is just kind of a kind
of an ongoing thing. I have two questions for you.
Number one, why do you still live there? Do you
do you fear for your life? Do you ever worry?
I mean, you know, it seems like you know obviously
that there are certain people that don't like you, whether
or not we agree with it, you know, or you
(01:00:46):
agree with it. His family does have a lot of deference,
I think, or don't they What what's there? What? What
does that name mean in Howard Beach today?
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Uh? The guy? It means absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing. It's
it's a glorified name, very glorified people. They're not scared
of them. I'm not scared of them. The only reason
why they did it was because there was people around,
(01:01:18):
the cops around. You know, if John was a real man,
he would have confronted me instead of my father stopping
him in the face, right, and instead of running away.
You know, let's do like a one on one fight.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Right, you're saying, you know, come see me, don't don't
hurt my father, right.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Because my father had nothing to do with it. Okay, Well,
my father is a great, great, great guy. You could
Jean says it all the time. Love my father. You
can ask anybody, but I to be honest, I hope
he gets goes back in prison. For my family's sake,
(01:02:06):
for for my niece's sake.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
H to your your your word for her obviously, you
know it's it is a sad situation for a child
to deal with, and you're you're probably ultimately just hoping
that he just goes away and leaves her them alone,
you know where however that happens. Okay, Well, look, uh gino,
I I really wish you all the best with the case.
You have to let me know, we'll figure out what
(01:02:30):
happens here. Obviously. Obviously I do know that over the
last couple of days you have not been very kind
to this these people. You've you've said some pretty harsh
things about the family, about.
Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Them things on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, you've mentioned that, you know, the the grandfather is
a stand up guy, but the family is just kind
of repugnant in a way. You you haven't really let
things slide, are you. Are you worried about talking to
people about this? Do you just want to tell your
side and kind of what really happened? Do you think
that's kind of a problem where they just kind of
(01:03:08):
tell their side and you don't really ever get to
tell yours.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Correct, Yes, And that's that's how it's always really been.
You know, it's always been a lot of the news
organizations kind of glorify it, you know, because it sells. Yeah,
and there's always there's always two sides to a sort,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
That's what that's what I try to do. I try
to give everybody their side and listen. I will stay
very straight, straight up. I've always told the gods disc
they're welcome on this channel. If this kid wants to
come on and speak to me, he's welcome to his
father's welcome to any of them, are welcome. I give
the same opportunity to everybody. I'll say this, I'll tell
(01:03:52):
you good luck. You wanted to offer the audience the
ability to hear your side, because again, it's kind of
painted you as you were just robbing somebody's house. There's
been a lot of people that say that you deserved it,
you shouldn't have did that. Would you agree on this?
Can we agree on one thing? Yes, Let's say you
had no running, he never hurt your father, and you
(01:04:15):
just robbed their home. Do you feel that would be
a worthy response from them to do what they did
like that to you? Would you? Would you beat them up?
You would?
Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, of course definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
But you you you did it because you wanted your money,
with your family's money, and you just did what you did. Yeah,
fair enough, do you worry about admitting to that on camera?
Do you think that's going to hurt your case?
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
What will probably.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, yeah, it definitely will.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Right, But you want to tell your side, and you're
you're not denying what happened. You said, I did this.
I this is why I did it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I completely honest.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah. Yeah, Well listen, like I said, I wish all
the best with this, you know, I offer the other side.
They want to tell their side, you know, because again
papers get things wrong. You know, we're the only I'm
the only one. Few others are only ones really talking
about this side of it. We've obviously had, you know,
we've talked a lot about the gotties over the years.
(01:05:23):
I really appreciate you coming on with me. Is there
anything else you want to say before we wrap up? No,
you said your piece, I said my piece. Well I
appreciate it. You've actually lived a pretty interesting life. I
hope for your sake, you know, you kind of just
move on with things, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, about how the beach listen, I've always, for a
very long time, I always hated living here because a
very tight knit community. Every I knows your business. I
was just never into that, you know, I was just
never into that that It's crazy, you know, as it
(01:06:05):
might sound. I was never into that drama. Neither was
my family, my parents. My grandfather legitimate businessman, hardworking man.
Same with my parents, very hard working.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
So yeah, it's it's tough. I mean, you can't you
live where you live. You know, home is home, but
you know it's not always the best place for you,
you know. Listen, you seem like you have a good
head on your shoulders. I'm sure you'll figure it out.
I wish all the best with it. You know, you'll
have to let us know what you end up doing,
(01:06:38):
all right.
Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yes, I will. Thank you so much for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, not a problem, and I thank you for coming on.
I'll invite everybody you know. Let me know which thing
in the comments below. Do you want you want to
share your social media? Do you want people to follow you?
Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Sure, why not tell them what it is?
Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Go ahead, Okay, you can follow me on Instagram. It's
GINO G N three g I N O G ninety three.
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I actually have one of your posts here right there.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It is. You're a great journalist. Thank you you had
everything ready with the pictures.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, you're doing your job, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Thank you. Everybody. Go check it out, Go check him out.
You've definitely said what you feel. I'll give you that.
Thanks coming on with me. I really appreciate it. Hang
on the call and just wrap it up and I'll
come right back to you, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Uh So there you go, guys, Thanks for the Gina
for coming on telling his side of the story. Like
I said, I invite all sides in this story to
if they want to speak to me, they're welcome to it.
I won't wait for that. I'm sure it won't ever come,
but if you do, I'm here and I thank you
for that. Thanks everybody for watching. Like I said, let
(01:07:49):
me know what you thinking of the comments below. We'll
see you next week. Here wrong, sit down. He
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