July 30, 2025 • 41 mins
Today on the show we wrap up the case of the State of Idaho vs Bryan Kohberger. Recently the admitted quadruple murderer was sentenced to life in prison for the 2022 murders of 4 Idaho college students. We react to the sentencing, a believed motive and the deserved fate Kohberger will find when he finally arrives at his new home, a maximum security prison.
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I was gonna take a week off, but you know what,
I ended up getting known from the shore and I thought,
you know what, I wanted to do one final episode
on kind of wrapping up everything with the Idaho four case.
I want to talk a little bit about the sentencing
of Brian Koberger. I want to talk more about his
future and what that looks like. I want to talk
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about some of the really unanswered questions that we have
with this case. In whenever you're looking at a case,
a lot of the time you're gonna have these unanswered questions,
and you know, like I've always said, in this case,
I don't think we're ever gonna know what truly happened
that night. But again, the theories are out there. My
theories are out there. I want to kind of just
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talk about all this. On July twenty third, as we know,
Coburger was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
of parole for life sentences in fact, for the deaths
of for individuals Kavie Goncalvis, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and
Xana Kernodle. We've heard those names so so so many times.
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The purpose of a sentencing is twofold, you know, really,
whatever record it's in. In this case, there was no
trial that said the sentencing is no different. The family
speak first, that mister Coburger is given an opportunity to speak,
and then the judge Levy's his sentence. And I think
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the sentence in this case was we knew what it
was going to be. So we'll talk about all that
and more before we get into the show today. As always,
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July twenty twenty five. This is actually my four year
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July twenty third, Brian Coberger saw an end to the
last several years of his life and has to now
face the facts that he is going to die in
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Idaho State prisons. And that is a very hard thing
to accept as a person of his caliber. Brian Coberger
is not me. He's a vicious murderer, but he is
not a criminal. He is a person who is not
used to this sort of thing. He is not cut
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out for the life that he's going to live, and
he made the choice to do what he did. And
we're not going to go through what happened here. We
all know that on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, those
four students that I mentioned were killed. And I think
the end of this case with the sentencing, really I
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think we now see that the gag order's gone. People
starting to talk about this case, and we're beginning, I
think when we first discuss the sentencing, we're now I
think starting to see I think why mister Coberger did this,
And I said this on the show we did a
couple of weeks ago with Casey Smith, where I don't
know that we'll ever truly know, but we know that
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when Coburger went to that home right on November thirteenth.
I had always stated from the beginning that I thought
this case was fully circumstantial. Really outside of the knife sheath, right,
you know, we never truly saw him there. No one
saw him there, No witness has placed him there. There
was no audio or video of the crime, there was
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no there was nothing that truly put him there other
than the knife sheath. And when Coberger pled guilty, I
think it was a strong acceptance of Okay, Initially I
didn't think he's had anything. I've also said, though, I
think it's more than that. I think the state of
Idaho used a let Virgin said, look, we're going to
charge your parents if you don't do what we say.
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And what's interesting is the prosecutor in this case, a
person called Bill Thompson, said that part of the reason
they offered which we didn't know this a few weeks ago,
part of the reason he offered a deal that didn't
he didn't want to require Coberger to explain himself is
because he thought the mass murder would just lie in
an effort to further traumatize the victims. And I think
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that makes total sense. Because we talked before about Coburger
wanted control. Again, this is all about control. One of
the reasons he did this was to prove that he mattered,
he was important, and this gives him control again, which again,
when you make a deal with the devil per se,
you're going to have to give up some control. But
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I think Thompson makes the point of Coberger was always
going to toy with these people. Even in sentence him
he was asked did he have any final words to say?
He declined to speak. Coberger wanted to control. Colberger want
to decide when he died. Coberger wanted to decide his future.
And he now has a little shred of control. He
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doesn't have to explain anything. He can go to his
grave and never say one word about this. A lot
of people speculate, will Brian Coberger talk to the media,
Will Brian Coberger do an interview, Will Brian Coberger attempt
to write letters and explain himself. I don't know. My
guess is I don't think he'll ever say anything about this.
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I think he is a sick sob and he loves
the fact that people will always wonder why he did
what he did, because, as I've talked about time and
time and time again, there is a certain level of
mental illness to mister Koberger. Do I think he's a
mentally ill person that didn't know what he was doing. No,
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I'm not saying that. But no person does something like this.
Very few people are capable of doing something like this.
But when we look at why, right, I think it's
very clear that Brian Coberger went to that home to
kill Madison Mogan. It's very simple, Kayle. Thankalvas did not
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live there, okay. She in fact was just coming home
for the weekend to hang out with her friends and
show them her new car. She was happy with her life.
She didn't live there anymore, Okay. Ethan Chapin, I think
was colateral damage, and I think Xana Kernodle was cloudy
dam I think mister Coberger took out Mogan. That was
the intention. He went up there, didn't think there would
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be anyone there or in the room. Mogan was killed first,
and Calvas sadly was just there. He killed her too,
And I think upon leaving Kernodle ran into him. He
took her out, and chapin he noticed and took him
out too. But when we look at the house itself,
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and I heard this recently and I really looked deeper
into this, this house, weirdly enough, was built in a
bizarre way, the house that they lived in eleven twenty
two King Road. From what I understand it from the
pictures that I'm seeing, the house is kind of in
the middle of like on the side, it's like next
to like a bed of land. And the third floor
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where these particularly Mattison Mogan lived was illuminated in the dark,
and you could see from you know, hundreds of feet away.
You could see everything she did during the night when
when the lights are on. So it's kind of a
creepy thought that Coburger could have been sitting there. He
may have had binoculars or some sort of night vision
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and had the ability to see what she was up there.
He knew where she'd be. I think it's abundantly clear
that he targeting Madison Mogen. Now the thought is why, Well,
again I've said this, and many people have said this.
I think Brian Coberger had spent his whole life trying
to be noticed. And we see this time and time
again with serial killers, we see it with mass shooters,
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we see it with young people that commit crimes like this.
They were never noticed their entire life and their whole
looking for acceptances. I want to be known as for once.
I want to be infamous. I want to be someone
that everyone remembers forever. If you go back and look
at Columbine, that's what those shooters talked about. Dylan Klebold
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and Derick Harris discussed we want to be infamous forever
and Brian Koberger, I think on the same level one
in it. But I also think it was more. I
think Madison Mogan, he probably attempted to speak to It
was probably really like a nonchalant thing. We've all been
to a bar. If you're a man, listen, we've all
been to a bar right where let's say you have
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the courage go up to a woman and she declines you.
But she doesn't decline you in an acceptable way, at
least to you. It's never acceptable to be declined by
a woman. But maybe Mogan said, you know, maybe she
had drunk a little bit, and she said, you know,
why would I date you or why would I talk
to you at coburger? Got his ego bruise by that.
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I think he had kind of a loner lifestyle. I
think he was this like book smart, kind of I'm
smarter than everybody type of guy. He didn't like women
talking down to him. I think that was pretty clear,
and I think he probably was interested in her romantically
and she didn't have any interest in him. Now, we
would never know that because it's not like they had
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exchanged text messages. It's not like she's here to tell us.
Maybe he ran into her very randomly. Maybe they were
walking down the street in Moscow and he approached her,
or maybe they were at a bar and she was
alone he approached her. Maybe they were walking out of
he was walking out of the men's bathroom, she was
walking out of the women's bathroom. No one would know that,
And it's very like hard to have a proved that
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said she's not gonna tell us. But I think it's
abundantly clear he was there to kill Madison Mogan, and
I think he just he realized that, uh oh, I
now have to take this from being one body to four,
and we now know learned that when you look back
at some of the things we're hearing about the scene,
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it was an incredibly brutal situation. Killing someone by knife
is about as personal as it gets. You have to
put work in, you have to be very close to
your victims. A gun you can fire from hundreds of
feet away. A knife you have to be incredibly close
to the person. I mean, it's a very depraved way
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to kill someone. And some of these people were in
a horrific state. In fact, they were all in a
horrific state. There was so much blood that it seeped
out of the foundation. So why did he do this?
I think it's clear. I think he was interested in
miss Mogan. She wasn't interested in him. He took a
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slight to that. I think he probably can't doubt. He
was all around, he knew where they'd be, and I
think his abundance of knowledge on the criminal justice system,
how forensics works, how things work. I think we see
that in the case itself, because when we look at
this case and whether or not you want to admit anything,
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the one major problem that Brian Coberger had, it's one thing.
The knife sheath if he does not drop the knife sheet,
Brian Coberger is still out there. Brian Coberger may have
committed another crime, or multiple crimes. Brian Coberger was not
ever arrested. If he doesn't drop the knife sheath, and
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for the next fifty years of his life he will
have to think about the knife sheet. But I heard
a former guest of this show, Bobby Chacohon from FBI agent.
He made such a cogent point at the sentencing. We
saw the family members of these four people speak. We
saw the sisters and the brothers, and the fathers and
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the mothers, and we saw them speak. And guests who
haunted Brian Coberger his victims. Because Chacuhn made a very
eloquent point when we look back at why Coburger was arrested,
it was the sheaf, and these people haunted him because
they fought back, even in a drunken state, in a
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you know, state of helplessness. The fighting back ruined the Coburger.
It haunted him. It haunted him because again, we can
talk all we want about there was a Hundai Lantra,
and there was you know this and that, okay, but
we didn't know it was his Hyundai Lantra. Okay, there
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was no one that played him there, but his phone
was near. That doesn't matter. Without the knife sheet, there
is no case here. Mister Coburger's not even arrested, and
they haunted him. And that's one thing he's going to
have to live with forever. And that's why he went
back to try to retrieve the knife sheet. So when
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we look at outside of the knife sheet, Brian Koberger
did things that most normal people don't do. There was
no blood of Brian Coburger's in that place. There was
no blood of the victims in his car, on his person,
or in his home. There was no latence or fingerprints,
there was no you know, hair, there was nothing that
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put him there. Nothing, That's the truth. And people were
gonna say, well, why fight it, why not fight it? Well,
I've talked about that before, But the victims haunted him.
I don't think any of the statements that the family
made about mister Coberg, I don't think they bothered him.
What's whoever? Brian Coberger is a depraved person. I've mentioned
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and I'll mention it again. When we look at the
type of person and look, I've interviewed I've interviewed killers
on this show. I've interviewed people that have killed multiple people.
I've never spoken to anyone though, that doesn't have a
shred of like ethics or compassion. Like even like people
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like sammer Ramana, I do think they have some sort
of feeling right for you know, their you know, fellow
man or woman. When you look at that person, right
Brian Coberger, I've not really seen that, Like, that's a
real killer right there. That's a person who is devoid
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of compassion. He doesn't have ethics. He doesn't think the
way you do. He doesn't think, oh my god, I'm
so sorry for what I did. Any Like. The one
way you can tell if someone's real or not is
by the way their eyes look, their gait, the way
they act. Brian Kber. Godn't act. He wasn't their acting.
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That was who he is. He is a cold and
callous individual. He doesn't have feeling. He's not gonna feel
sorry for these people. He doesn't have that. He doesn't
have empathy. That's completely gone from his psyche. Did he
ever have empathy? Probably? And this asked the age old question,
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what draw What draws a person to do this sort
of thing. And I heard an interview recently by Julian Dory,
a guy who I've won on this show, and he
had a death investigator on and they were talking about
what happens in a person's life that gets them to
that point. And I think that's also why we have
interest in crime, in true crime. What happened in Brian
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Kober's life that put him to that point? Why does
Jeffrey Dahmer do what he does? Why does you know
whoever do what they do? That would be something I
would like to know, So I Brian Coberger ever did it?
If he says, I mean, and I would read it,
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And so with everybody else. That's why we're interested in
this stuff. But it's also hard because you don't want
to give this guy y today. You don't want him
to have any successes anywhere. But it's abundantly clear he's
an angry, defiant, remorseless now infamous but proud killer. He
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doesn't care. He is controlled, and he has a certain
fan base social rejects that will support everything he does.
Being in prison today is a lot different than being
in prison twenty thirty four years ago. And we're going
to talk about his conditions and why if you think
and want Brian Coberger to be killed in prison, it's
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never going to happen ever. And I'll tell you why
here in a second, because I think it's important. I
think one thing that I think I've always done a
good job on this show of is explaining I think
what prison will be like, because you really just have
to go and look and you can figure out what
prison will be like. Now, before I get into some
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of the prison stuff, you know, and what life's going
to be like for Coburger, I do want to talk
a little bit about one thing about the gag order
that we can now see is we're starting to see
law enforcement come out and talk about what the first
meetings with Coburger were like. And if you're watching a YouTube,
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I'm going to place the document on screen, and for
the people that are listening on audio, I'm going to
kind of read out some of the things. And this
was the first involvement law enforcement had with Coburger, and
that includes the Idaho State Police, the FBI. This is
in Pennsylvania. This is in I believe ve Stroudsburg, near
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where he lived. This is after he was first arrested
in late December twenty twenty two. One of the excerpts
from the document states that Coburger said that he understood
why we were engaging in small talk, would appreciate it
if we explained to him what he was doing there.
So this is after they had had small talk about
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football and baseball and school and stuff like that. You know,
every good investigator creates a rapport with a suspect. The
detective Gilbertson, who was a state police, asked Coburger why
he thought they were there, and he said he wanted
Detective Gilbertson to tell him. Detective Gilbertson said we were
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there because of what occurred in Moscow, Idaho, but did
not provide any further detail. Gilbertson then asked Coburger if
he watched the news. Coburger said, I watched the news
end quote. Detective Gilbertson then asked Coburger why he thought
I looked familiar. Now, Coburger, I want to point out
when he first got in contact with Gilbertson, stated that
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he had seen him on he had seen him before,
he looked familiar. Coburger said he wasn't sure and stated
that I had a quote familiar face and looked like
someone he used to know. Gilbertson then said we were
there because of what happened in November just off the
Idaho campus. Gilbertson then asked Coburger if he knew that was,
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to which Coburger replied, of course. When prompted to elaborate,
Coburger said there were probably several instances and that he
was aware of a homicide because of an alert by
Washington State he received. Gilbertson then asked Coburger when he
received the alert. He said he wasn't sure why we
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were there and asked if Coberger wanted to talk about that.
Cobger then explained to him that we were there for
you know, he would need a lawyer. He then asked
if we would explain to him what we were there
for specifically, and ad he was tired. Gilbertson then stated,
we were investigating the homicides of the four students, and
then we had questions and hoped Coburger would help us understand.
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So we see, we see the small little things that
show us that Coburger was very with it, very intelligent. Okay,
I know people are going to say, what's intelligent? About
this well, because most people, if you take ten people
and you arrest them and you say to them, you
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take them into a room, the FBI is there, the
state police is there, most people are going to start talking.
They're not going to shut up. They're not going to
be very succinct. They're just going to start talking. They're
gonna say way too much. We noticed Coburger has no
problem discussing small that's not illegal. That's not going to
incriminate anybody. Talking about baseball in school isn't going to
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incriminate anybody. Everybody knew Coburger, who he was and where
he went, Cops, you all that stuff. But notice, I
don't want to do small talk. Why are you speaking
to me? He didn't say anything, he didn't address anything.
He answered no questions of course, things like that. Coburger's
smart enough, and we're not giving him any respective We're
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not putting him on a pedestal. We're just telling the truth.
You can see that he has a lot of knowledge
of how to behave, what to say, what not to say,
you know, asking for an attorney, the Coburger sat back
and said he had the utmost respect for law enforcement,
but stated it was a constitutional right to speak to
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an attorney. Doctor Gilbertson affirmed this. Cobert then re engaged
and said the only thing he had heard of from
Moscow was an alert that came to his phone. Cobert
then said he wanted to talk to his attorney and
said he would stop now as a detective Gilbertson because
Coberger wanted to speak to his lawyer. Cober we he
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asked where his parents were and if his dog was okay.
Coberger re engaged and asked what questions we would have
for him. Gilbertson then as Coburger again if he understood
his rights and asked specifically what Cooburger wished. Coburger asked specifically,
said asked what pecifically wanted to talk to him about,
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and then the reason I told Colberger he invoked his
Fifth Amendment rights and we were not going to ask
him any further questions. Coober then asked for the reason
he was there, but added he would like to talk
to an urch. So it's again a lot of redundant stuff,
we concluded. Her interview of Koberger left her, so again
we didn't really learn much of anything about the actual case.
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Coburger's too smart for that. We didn't learn though that.
You know, he had his questions, but I think it's
him just trying to play what do you have me
here for? You're gonna tell me why I'm here, and
then we're gonna tell him anything that said, you do
see some subtaintanness, you see some intelligence by him, and
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look looking back. Like I said before, for the rest
of his life, he is going to think about that
knife sheath. Now. I also want to say a few
other things I did hear. As far as sentencing life
in prison in the state ido means life in prison,
no parole. As far as the judge in this case, Hitpler,
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he would say to Coburger, quote, truth be told. I'm
unable to come up with anything redeeming about you. Your
grotesque acts of evil have buried into anything that might
have been good or intrinsically human about him. And that
comes from Hipler stating that he always tried to see
some sort of good in any suspect that he had
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and that he couldn't do it. He would then call
Coburger quote a faceless coward and suggest that that people
should move past a motive which may never be known
and forget the killer outright. In my view, the time
has not come to end mister Coburger's fifteen minutes of fame,
and I think that's absolutely gonna happen. We obviously heard
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from the families of these people, and there were some
very you know, obviously harsh words from the family members.
Think about yourself, what would you say? I think I've
always stated, you know, and I've been clear about this.
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I don't think any of us are prepared to commit
a crime to defend our family. I am, and I've
accepted that. When I lost my father, I definitely lost
a lot of myself. And I know that if anybody
ever hurt my mom or my sister, we wouldn't have
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a tried. We would have one for me. But I'm
fully prepared to eye for an eye. And the fact
that these people were so stoic and said so much
and said it so succinctly, I thought the sister of
Caleb and Kavas, I mean, that's how you deliver an
impact statement. She would stayed at one point to Coburger, quote,
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you want the truth, here's the one you'll hate the most.
If you hadn't attacked him in their sleep in the
middle of the night like a pedophile. Kaylee would have
kicked your fucking ass. Now, the truth is, I don't agree.
Fran Coberg is a man, but we look at the
really just pathetic way that he even approached this. He
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did this in the night. You know, he knew they
were drunk. I mean, just he is a total pussy.
At the end of the day, I was prepared to
be arrested that day, said Olivia and Kaba. I think
that every single one of us were. And she added
that she was quote fueled by rage on his face
as she spoke to him. And you could see Cobroger
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at times very squeamish. That was one thing I did
notice that when she spoke, you could see he was
seething inside. And you think about, you know, the control aspect.
He wasn't in control, which bothers him, right, he wasn't
in control anymore? You know. She would also stay I
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mean I stalked the stalker. I find everything that I
could online from the beginning of time to now. It
fueled me to know that I got you pegged and listen.
She was very succinct, very smart, and very intelligent. She
spoke with a lot of powerful words, and I think
again she took away control from him. You're not profound,
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you're pathetic, which what you would state. And I think
he always tried to be the smartest person in the room.
And I thought Steve Gonkbas her father, did a good
job of making that clear. You know, you aren't the
smartest guy in the room, because the smartest guy in
the room wouldn't drop the NFE sheath, you know. But again,
a very very vibrant words from her. She was dead
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on the money with her assessment of mister Coburger. And listen,
I will say again I was wrong on this. I
I don't know that I ever thought that he didn't
do this, but again I thought it would be very
hard to prove. But you know, I think, like I
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said before, I think they offered him to plead because
you know, they knew he'd lie, they knew he'd draw out.
I think they were a little worried about their case
and they say, know what, let's get him life in prison. Well,
I think the mom and dad were implicated in probably
some way, and he didn't want that to happen. He
does have some shroud of familial allegiance. Let's talk a
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little bit more about prison for Brian Coberg or Brian
Coberger is not going to die in prison. Well, he
will die, but he's not going to be killed by anybody.
And it's pretty clear why Brian Coberger is going to
the Idaho Maximum Security Prison, which is in Kuna, Idaho,
and this is a supermax. So I'm gonna kind of
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explain his day to day because if you ever want
to look into what Coberger's life will be like, there's
a documentary HBO put out maybe ten twelve years ago.
You to watch it on YouTube for free. It's called
Inside Red Onion and Red Onion is a very similar
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institution in the state of Virginia. It's one of the
only max security facilities they have, and it follows multiple
inmates who are in seg segregation. And I think for
Coburger for the next at least decade, he will be
in that prison facility. He may never leave there. Coburger
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is not going to have any interference with other suspects.
He's going to be in his own cell. He'll be
single celled, and he will sit in a room for
twenty three hours a day. Whenever he leaves, he will
be shackled, handcuffed. He will, before he leaves his cell
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have to strip naked to make clear he has nothing
on him. He will then this will be the type
of room he'll be in. If you're watching on YouTube,
it'll be the door will have the small window, it'll
be covered. There will be a slot for his tray
and for his hands. So he put his hands out,
he'll be cuffed. He'll then be shackled in any place
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he moves to throughout the prison. That will be happening.
When he goes out to reck, he'll be in a
cage as well. It will be like a batting cage
almost if you've ever been to one. It'll be locked.
He'll be the only one in there. It's not like
he's going to be in like a Shaw Shank type
of situation where he's around other inmates. It's not gonna happen.
And the reason for that is not only is Brian
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Coberger high profile, but his crime is extremely heinous, and
these states and federal institutions learn we cannot house certain
inmates with other people. So in the fact that he's
an extremely high security risk, he needs to be in
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PC basically because if he does get put into regular
prison with GPS general population, he'll probably be assaulted, ay
or killings. That's just the truth, and that's why the
worst of inmates are put into these sorts of situations.
This is the worst type of time to do. It's
real simple. They're gonna say why because when you're when
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you accept that you're in prison for life, the only
thing that keeps you going is the fact that you know,
small things I get to eat a meal with other people.
Why being in a room by yourself, you know, twenty
three hours a day is extremely difficult and thinking about yourself,
you're any bath, you're you're in a room the size
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of a closet and the only things you have And
people say, well you have tablets and you have books stuf. Yeah, okay,
but think how long you could do that for? Like
the joys of being around other people, seeing the physical touch,
you know, being able to you know, look at someone
like when you're in seg like you don't have that.
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So like when his meals delivered, it's not like they're
like looking him in the eye and handing it to him.
It's put through a tray and they shut it. It's
real simple. And when we look at Brian Coberger, it's
been stated multiple times that he has, you know, major
issues with high genie as far as like he has
to shower for hours on end, like all that stuff.
When you go to prison, that's taken away. You don't
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tell us what you want, We tell you what we want.
That's how you live. And again he hasn't really had
to deal with that because he's been in county type facilities.
It's going to be a very big and quick wake
up call. And there are very few people that have
to live like this in the state of Idaho. But
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there are people that are at the top levels of
crime infamous that cannot be housed with other people. And
we have seen what happens to these type of people
when they're in general population, and the death and murder
of Jeffrey Dahmer is a prime example. If you don't
think other locations have learned of what to do and
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what not to do. Anybody that knows anything about prison
knows that prison staff has to be very, very very
careful on how they house people who they can house
certain people with the simple thought of you don't put
a sex offender with a murderer. It's very simple. What's
gonna happen. There's a board in every prison and every
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person has to be picked one by one on who
houses with who, and mister Koberger is it's like Idaho
has an incredibly high amount of maximum security prisoners. They
only have about five hundred, and the people that are
on his level are very few. There's probably about a dozen.
He's never gonna be put in with anyone else. It's
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not gonna happen, no fucking way. When you look at Dahmer,
for instance, you're never gonna put in with like other
people like work on. It's not gonna happen. If they
do put him to a job, it'll be done something
like making license plates where every inmate's attached to a chair,
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like they can't get up and move around Like that
will never happen. These states learn from other states, and
you learn they learn from different experiences that go on.
I mean, it's just never gonna happen. So if you're expecting,
like one of the victims family stated that he's gonna
be raped, it's not gonna happen. Now, It's never gonna happen.
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Now his life where he'll be will be way worse because,
as maybe you've heard before, true isolation is the most
haunting thing that can happen to somebody. And that's the
exact way Brian Kolberg should have to deal with his life.
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And you know what will happen. The guards at Max,
they watch the news just like everybody else. The people
that patrol these hallways, they have kids, They have daughters, nieces, sisters, mothers, brothers,
they have family. Maybe they have a kid this age,
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and that's what you'll see. He'll start to maybe not
get certain mail, maybe they'll forget to feed him. One day,
he'll deal with his crimes and he'll pay. Going to
prison here is the worst punishment. It's hell on earth, truly,
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and it's for the worst of worst. Being raped. You
can you can get repaired the isolation after years on
end of being in seg It's the worst punishment entity
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worthy one for him. So he put a bone in this.
I guess the only thing we have to think about
in the future is what's next. Will we ever know?
Well Coburger write from prison why he did what he did?
Will maybe he speak? My guess is I don't know
if this date I owed even allowed anyway, they own him.
Now he does what he's told, he doesn't do what
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they wanted to do. We're not dealing with like you know,
we're not dealing with he don't have any rights anymore. Really,
he's going to be treated the way he should be treated,
and no one's gonna feel sorry. It's not like people
are gonna come to his aid really, you know. So
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that's kind of what we'll find out next if he's
ever spoken about again. But I think that the judge
made a great point. Let's stop speaking about this guy.
There's nothing more to say. He's a number. That's it.
And I do believe he is still in County. I
think they're figuring out his future to you know, kind
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of when he'll be transferred. I don't believe he's in
max at this point just yet. I guess I should
probably look that up. But but yeah, and even any
money he makes in prison will go to the restitution
that he has to pay. So his life is over
and that's a great ending before mister Coberger. So rest
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and piss, as they say, before we go. I do
want to say, one final time, rest in peace to
k League and Kylevin. It's Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Zana.
I'm just so young at the time of their death,
and may their memories be blessing to their family. Next week,
I believe I'm going to have an interview, so stay
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tuned to that. I'm not going to say with who,
I'm not going to say what it's about. I might
be an interview, I might have some other type of show,
but we'll see. We'll get to that when we get
to it. I hope everybody has a great week and
I'll see you next week. Here
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you know what, I wanted to do one final episode
on kind of wrapping up everything with the Idaho four case.
I want to talk a little bit about the sentencing
of Brian Koberger. I want to talk more about his
future and what that looks like. I want to talk
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about some of the really unanswered questions that we have
with this case. In whenever you're looking at a case,
a lot of the time you're gonna have these unanswered questions,
and you know, like I've always said, in this case,
I don't think we're ever gonna know what truly happened
that night. But again, the theories are out there. My
theories are out there. I want to kind of just
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talk about all this. On July twenty third, as we know,
Coburger was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
of parole for life sentences in fact, for the deaths
of for individuals Kavie Goncalvis, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and
Xana Kernodle. We've heard those names so so so many times.
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The purpose of a sentencing is twofold, you know, really,
whatever record it's in. In this case, there was no
trial that said the sentencing is no different. The family
speak first, that mister Coburger is given an opportunity to speak,
and then the judge Levy's his sentence. And I think
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was going to be. So we'll talk about all that
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July twenty third, Brian Coberger saw an end to the
last several years of his life and has to now
face the facts that he is going to die in
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Idaho State prisons. And that is a very hard thing
to accept as a person of his caliber. Brian Coberger
is not me. He's a vicious murderer, but he is
not a criminal. He is a person who is not
used to this sort of thing. He is not cut
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out for the life that he's going to live, and
he made the choice to do what he did. And
we're not going to go through what happened here. We
all know that on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, those
four students that I mentioned were killed. And I think
the end of this case with the sentencing, really I
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think we now see that the gag order's gone. People
starting to talk about this case, and we're beginning, I
think when we first discuss the sentencing, we're now I
think starting to see I think why mister Coberger did this,
And I said this on the show we did a
couple of weeks ago with Casey Smith, where I don't
know that we'll ever truly know, but we know that
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when Coburger went to that home right on November thirteenth.
I had always stated from the beginning that I thought
this case was fully circumstantial. Really outside of the knife sheath, right,
you know, we never truly saw him there. No one
saw him there, No witness has placed him there. There
was no audio or video of the crime, there was
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no there was nothing that truly put him there other
than the knife sheath. And when Coberger pled guilty, I
think it was a strong acceptance of Okay, Initially I
didn't think he's had anything. I've also said, though, I
think it's more than that. I think the state of
Idaho used a let Virgin said, look, we're going to
charge your parents if you don't do what we say.
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And what's interesting is the prosecutor in this case, a
person called Bill Thompson, said that part of the reason
they offered which we didn't know this a few weeks ago,
part of the reason he offered a deal that didn't
he didn't want to require Coberger to explain himself is
because he thought the mass murder would just lie in
an effort to further traumatize the victims. And I think
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that makes total sense. Because we talked before about Coburger
wanted control. Again, this is all about control. One of
the reasons he did this was to prove that he mattered,
he was important, and this gives him control again, which again,
when you make a deal with the devil per se,
you're going to have to give up some control. But
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I think Thompson makes the point of Coberger was always
going to toy with these people. Even in sentence him
he was asked did he have any final words to say?
He declined to speak. Coberger wanted to control. Colberger want
to decide when he died. Coberger wanted to decide his future.
And he now has a little shred of control. He
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doesn't have to explain anything. He can go to his
grave and never say one word about this. A lot
of people speculate, will Brian Coberger talk to the media,
Will Brian Coberger do an interview, Will Brian Coberger attempt
to write letters and explain himself. I don't know. My
guess is I don't think he'll ever say anything about this.
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I think he is a sick sob and he loves
the fact that people will always wonder why he did
what he did, because, as I've talked about time and
time and time again, there is a certain level of
mental illness to mister Koberger. Do I think he's a
mentally ill person that didn't know what he was doing. No,
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I'm not saying that. But no person does something like this.
Very few people are capable of doing something like this.
But when we look at why, right, I think it's
very clear that Brian Coberger went to that home to
kill Madison Mogan. It's very simple, Kayle. Thankalvas did not
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live there, okay. She in fact was just coming home
for the weekend to hang out with her friends and
show them her new car. She was happy with her life.
She didn't live there anymore, Okay. Ethan Chapin, I think
was colateral damage, and I think Xana Kernodle was cloudy
dam I think mister Coberger took out Mogan. That was
the intention. He went up there, didn't think there would
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be anyone there or in the room. Mogan was killed first,
and Calvas sadly was just there. He killed her too,
And I think upon leaving Kernodle ran into him. He
took her out, and chapin he noticed and took him
out too. But when we look at the house itself,
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and I heard this recently and I really looked deeper
into this, this house, weirdly enough, was built in a
bizarre way, the house that they lived in eleven twenty
two King Road. From what I understand it from the
pictures that I'm seeing, the house is kind of in
the middle of like on the side, it's like next
to like a bed of land. And the third floor
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where these particularly Mattison Mogan lived was illuminated in the dark,
and you could see from you know, hundreds of feet away.
You could see everything she did during the night when
when the lights are on. So it's kind of a
creepy thought that Coburger could have been sitting there. He
may have had binoculars or some sort of night vision
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and had the ability to see what she was up there.
He knew where she'd be. I think it's abundantly clear
that he targeting Madison Mogen. Now the thought is why, Well,
again I've said this, and many people have said this.
I think Brian Coberger had spent his whole life trying
to be noticed. And we see this time and time
again with serial killers, we see it with mass shooters,
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we see it with young people that commit crimes like this.
They were never noticed their entire life and their whole
looking for acceptances. I want to be known as for once.
I want to be infamous. I want to be someone
that everyone remembers forever. If you go back and look
at Columbine, that's what those shooters talked about. Dylan Klebold
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and Derick Harris discussed we want to be infamous forever
and Brian Koberger, I think on the same level one
in it. But I also think it was more. I
think Madison Mogan, he probably attempted to speak to It
was probably really like a nonchalant thing. We've all been
to a bar. If you're a man, listen, we've all
been to a bar right where let's say you have
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the courage go up to a woman and she declines you.
But she doesn't decline you in an acceptable way, at
least to you. It's never acceptable to be declined by
a woman. But maybe Mogan said, you know, maybe she
had drunk a little bit, and she said, you know,
why would I date you or why would I talk
to you at coburger? Got his ego bruise by that.
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I think he had kind of a loner lifestyle. I
think he was this like book smart, kind of I'm
smarter than everybody type of guy. He didn't like women
talking down to him. I think that was pretty clear,
and I think he probably was interested in her romantically
and she didn't have any interest in him. Now, we
would never know that because it's not like they had
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exchanged text messages. It's not like she's here to tell us.
Maybe he ran into her very randomly. Maybe they were
walking down the street in Moscow and he approached her,
or maybe they were at a bar and she was
alone he approached her. Maybe they were walking out of
he was walking out of the men's bathroom, she was
walking out of the women's bathroom. No one would know that,
And it's very like hard to have a proved that
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said she's not gonna tell us. But I think it's
abundantly clear he was there to kill Madison Mogan, and
I think he just he realized that, uh oh, I
now have to take this from being one body to four,
and we now know learned that when you look back
at some of the things we're hearing about the scene,
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it was an incredibly brutal situation. Killing someone by knife
is about as personal as it gets. You have to
put work in, you have to be very close to
your victims. A gun you can fire from hundreds of
feet away. A knife you have to be incredibly close
to the person. I mean, it's a very depraved way
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to kill someone. And some of these people were in
a horrific state. In fact, they were all in a
horrific state. There was so much blood that it seeped
out of the foundation. So why did he do this?
I think it's clear. I think he was interested in
miss Mogan. She wasn't interested in him. He took a
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slight to that. I think he probably can't doubt. He
was all around, he knew where they'd be, and I
think his abundance of knowledge on the criminal justice system,
how forensics works, how things work. I think we see
that in the case itself, because when we look at
this case and whether or not you want to admit anything,
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the one major problem that Brian Coberger had, it's one thing.
The knife sheath if he does not drop the knife sheet,
Brian Coberger is still out there. Brian Coberger may have
committed another crime, or multiple crimes. Brian Coberger was not
ever arrested. If he doesn't drop the knife sheath, and
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for the next fifty years of his life he will
have to think about the knife sheet. But I heard
a former guest of this show, Bobby Chacohon from FBI agent.
He made such a cogent point at the sentencing. We
saw the family members of these four people speak. We
saw the sisters and the brothers, and the fathers and
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the mothers, and we saw them speak. And guests who
haunted Brian Coberger his victims. Because Chacuhn made a very
eloquent point when we look back at why Coburger was arrested,
it was the sheaf, and these people haunted him because
they fought back, even in a drunken state, in a
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you know, state of helplessness. The fighting back ruined the Coburger.
It haunted him. It haunted him because again, we can
talk all we want about there was a Hundai Lantra,
and there was you know this and that, okay, but
we didn't know it was his Hyundai Lantra. Okay, there
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was no one that played him there, but his phone
was near. That doesn't matter. Without the knife sheet, there
is no case here. Mister Coburger's not even arrested, and
they haunted him. And that's one thing he's going to
have to live with forever. And that's why he went
back to try to retrieve the knife sheet. So when
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we look at outside of the knife sheet, Brian Koberger
did things that most normal people don't do. There was
no blood of Brian Coburger's in that place. There was
no blood of the victims in his car, on his person,
or in his home. There was no latence or fingerprints,
there was no you know, hair, there was nothing that
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put him there. Nothing, That's the truth. And people were
gonna say, well, why fight it, why not fight it? Well,
I've talked about that before, But the victims haunted him.
I don't think any of the statements that the family
made about mister Coberg, I don't think they bothered him.
What's whoever? Brian Coberger is a depraved person. I've mentioned
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and I'll mention it again. When we look at the
type of person and look, I've interviewed I've interviewed killers
on this show. I've interviewed people that have killed multiple people.
I've never spoken to anyone though, that doesn't have a
shred of like ethics or compassion. Like even like people
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like sammer Ramana, I do think they have some sort
of feeling right for you know, their you know, fellow
man or woman. When you look at that person, right
Brian Coberger, I've not really seen that, Like, that's a
real killer right there. That's a person who is devoid
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of compassion. He doesn't have ethics. He doesn't think the
way you do. He doesn't think, oh my god, I'm
so sorry for what I did. Any Like. The one
way you can tell if someone's real or not is
by the way their eyes look, their gait, the way
they act. Brian Kber. Godn't act. He wasn't their acting.
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That was who he is. He is a cold and
callous individual. He doesn't have feeling. He's not gonna feel
sorry for these people. He doesn't have that. He doesn't
have empathy. That's completely gone from his psyche. Did he
ever have empathy? Probably? And this asked the age old question,
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what draw What draws a person to do this sort
of thing. And I heard an interview recently by Julian Dory,
a guy who I've won on this show, and he
had a death investigator on and they were talking about
what happens in a person's life that gets them to
that point. And I think that's also why we have
interest in crime, in true crime. What happened in Brian
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Kober's life that put him to that point? Why does
Jeffrey Dahmer do what he does? Why does you know
whoever do what they do? That would be something I
would like to know, So I Brian Coberger ever did it?
If he says, I mean, and I would read it,
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And so with everybody else. That's why we're interested in
this stuff. But it's also hard because you don't want
to give this guy y today. You don't want him
to have any successes anywhere. But it's abundantly clear he's
an angry, defiant, remorseless now infamous but proud killer. He
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doesn't care. He is controlled, and he has a certain
fan base social rejects that will support everything he does.
Being in prison today is a lot different than being
in prison twenty thirty four years ago. And we're going
to talk about his conditions and why if you think
and want Brian Coberger to be killed in prison, it's
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never going to happen ever. And I'll tell you why
here in a second, because I think it's important. I
think one thing that I think I've always done a
good job on this show of is explaining I think
what prison will be like, because you really just have
to go and look and you can figure out what
prison will be like. Now, before I get into some
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of the prison stuff, you know, and what life's going
to be like for Coburger, I do want to talk
a little bit about one thing about the gag order
that we can now see is we're starting to see
law enforcement come out and talk about what the first
meetings with Coburger were like. And if you're watching a YouTube,
(20:40):
I'm going to place the document on screen, and for
the people that are listening on audio, I'm going to
kind of read out some of the things. And this
was the first involvement law enforcement had with Coburger, and
that includes the Idaho State Police, the FBI. This is
in Pennsylvania. This is in I believe ve Stroudsburg, near
(21:01):
where he lived. This is after he was first arrested
in late December twenty twenty two. One of the excerpts
from the document states that Coburger said that he understood
why we were engaging in small talk, would appreciate it
if we explained to him what he was doing there.
So this is after they had had small talk about
(21:22):
football and baseball and school and stuff like that. You know,
every good investigator creates a rapport with a suspect. The
detective Gilbertson, who was a state police, asked Coburger why
he thought they were there, and he said he wanted
Detective Gilbertson to tell him. Detective Gilbertson said we were
(21:44):
there because of what occurred in Moscow, Idaho, but did
not provide any further detail. Gilbertson then asked Coburger if
he watched the news. Coburger said, I watched the news
end quote. Detective Gilbertson then asked Coburger why he thought
I looked familiar. Now, Coburger, I want to point out
when he first got in contact with Gilbertson, stated that
(22:06):
he had seen him on he had seen him before,
he looked familiar. Coburger said he wasn't sure and stated
that I had a quote familiar face and looked like
someone he used to know. Gilbertson then said we were
there because of what happened in November just off the
Idaho campus. Gilbertson then asked Coburger if he knew that was,
(22:29):
to which Coburger replied, of course. When prompted to elaborate,
Coburger said there were probably several instances and that he
was aware of a homicide because of an alert by
Washington State he received. Gilbertson then asked Coburger when he
received the alert. He said he wasn't sure why we
(22:50):
were there and asked if Coberger wanted to talk about that.
Cobger then explained to him that we were there for
you know, he would need a lawyer. He then asked
if we would explain to him what we were there
for specifically, and ad he was tired. Gilbertson then stated,
we were investigating the homicides of the four students, and
then we had questions and hoped Coburger would help us understand.
(23:12):
So we see, we see the small little things that
show us that Coburger was very with it, very intelligent. Okay,
I know people are going to say, what's intelligent? About
this well, because most people, if you take ten people
and you arrest them and you say to them, you
(23:32):
take them into a room, the FBI is there, the
state police is there, most people are going to start talking.
They're not going to shut up. They're not going to
be very succinct. They're just going to start talking. They're
gonna say way too much. We noticed Coburger has no
problem discussing small that's not illegal. That's not going to
incriminate anybody. Talking about baseball in school isn't going to
(23:55):
incriminate anybody. Everybody knew Coburger, who he was and where
he went, Cops, you all that stuff. But notice, I
don't want to do small talk. Why are you speaking
to me? He didn't say anything, he didn't address anything.
He answered no questions of course, things like that. Coburger's
smart enough, and we're not giving him any respective We're
(24:18):
not putting him on a pedestal. We're just telling the truth.
You can see that he has a lot of knowledge
of how to behave, what to say, what not to say,
you know, asking for an attorney, the Coburger sat back
and said he had the utmost respect for law enforcement,
but stated it was a constitutional right to speak to
(24:38):
an attorney. Doctor Gilbertson affirmed this. Cobert then re engaged
and said the only thing he had heard of from
Moscow was an alert that came to his phone. Cobert
then said he wanted to talk to his attorney and
said he would stop now as a detective Gilbertson because
Coberger wanted to speak to his lawyer. Cober we he
(25:00):
asked where his parents were and if his dog was okay.
Coberger re engaged and asked what questions we would have
for him. Gilbertson then as Coburger again if he understood
his rights and asked specifically what Cooburger wished. Coburger asked specifically,
said asked what pecifically wanted to talk to him about,
(25:20):
and then the reason I told Colberger he invoked his
Fifth Amendment rights and we were not going to ask
him any further questions. Coober then asked for the reason
he was there, but added he would like to talk
to an urch. So it's again a lot of redundant stuff,
we concluded. Her interview of Koberger left her, so again
we didn't really learn much of anything about the actual case.
(25:43):
Coburger's too smart for that. We didn't learn though that.
You know, he had his questions, but I think it's
him just trying to play what do you have me
here for? You're gonna tell me why I'm here, and
then we're gonna tell him anything that said, you do
see some subtaintanness, you see some intelligence by him, and
(26:07):
look looking back. Like I said before, for the rest
of his life, he is going to think about that
knife sheath. Now. I also want to say a few
other things I did hear. As far as sentencing life
in prison in the state ido means life in prison,
no parole. As far as the judge in this case, Hitpler,
(26:30):
he would say to Coburger, quote, truth be told. I'm
unable to come up with anything redeeming about you. Your
grotesque acts of evil have buried into anything that might
have been good or intrinsically human about him. And that
comes from Hipler stating that he always tried to see
some sort of good in any suspect that he had
(26:51):
and that he couldn't do it. He would then call
Coburger quote a faceless coward and suggest that that people
should move past a motive which may never be known
and forget the killer outright. In my view, the time
has not come to end mister Coburger's fifteen minutes of fame,
and I think that's absolutely gonna happen. We obviously heard
(27:15):
from the families of these people, and there were some
very you know, obviously harsh words from the family members.
Think about yourself, what would you say? I think I've
always stated, you know, and I've been clear about this.
(27:37):
I don't think any of us are prepared to commit
a crime to defend our family. I am, and I've
accepted that. When I lost my father, I definitely lost
a lot of myself. And I know that if anybody
ever hurt my mom or my sister, we wouldn't have
(27:59):
a tried. We would have one for me. But I'm
fully prepared to eye for an eye. And the fact
that these people were so stoic and said so much
and said it so succinctly, I thought the sister of
Caleb and Kavas, I mean, that's how you deliver an
impact statement. She would stayed at one point to Coburger, quote,
(28:25):
you want the truth, here's the one you'll hate the most.
If you hadn't attacked him in their sleep in the
middle of the night like a pedophile. Kaylee would have
kicked your fucking ass. Now, the truth is, I don't agree.
Fran Coberg is a man, but we look at the
really just pathetic way that he even approached this. He
(28:49):
did this in the night. You know, he knew they
were drunk. I mean, just he is a total pussy.
At the end of the day, I was prepared to
be arrested that day, said Olivia and Kaba. I think
that every single one of us were. And she added
that she was quote fueled by rage on his face
as she spoke to him. And you could see Cobroger
(29:11):
at times very squeamish. That was one thing I did
notice that when she spoke, you could see he was
seething inside. And you think about, you know, the control aspect.
He wasn't in control, which bothers him, right, he wasn't
in control anymore? You know. She would also stay I
(29:33):
mean I stalked the stalker. I find everything that I
could online from the beginning of time to now. It
fueled me to know that I got you pegged and listen.
She was very succinct, very smart, and very intelligent. She
spoke with a lot of powerful words, and I think
again she took away control from him. You're not profound,
(29:57):
you're pathetic, which what you would state. And I think
he always tried to be the smartest person in the room.
And I thought Steve Gonkbas her father, did a good
job of making that clear. You know, you aren't the
smartest guy in the room, because the smartest guy in
the room wouldn't drop the NFE sheath, you know. But again,
a very very vibrant words from her. She was dead
(30:19):
on the money with her assessment of mister Coburger. And listen,
I will say again I was wrong on this. I
I don't know that I ever thought that he didn't
do this, but again I thought it would be very
hard to prove. But you know, I think, like I
(30:41):
said before, I think they offered him to plead because
you know, they knew he'd lie, they knew he'd draw out.
I think they were a little worried about their case
and they say, know what, let's get him life in prison. Well,
I think the mom and dad were implicated in probably
some way, and he didn't want that to happen. He
does have some shroud of familial allegiance. Let's talk a
(31:04):
little bit more about prison for Brian Coberg or Brian
Coberger is not going to die in prison. Well, he
will die, but he's not going to be killed by anybody.
And it's pretty clear why Brian Coberger is going to
the Idaho Maximum Security Prison, which is in Kuna, Idaho,
and this is a supermax. So I'm gonna kind of
(31:27):
explain his day to day because if you ever want
to look into what Coberger's life will be like, there's
a documentary HBO put out maybe ten twelve years ago.
You to watch it on YouTube for free. It's called
Inside Red Onion and Red Onion is a very similar
(31:47):
institution in the state of Virginia. It's one of the
only max security facilities they have, and it follows multiple
inmates who are in seg segregation. And I think for
Coburger for the next at least decade, he will be
in that prison facility. He may never leave there. Coburger
(32:11):
is not going to have any interference with other suspects.
He's going to be in his own cell. He'll be
single celled, and he will sit in a room for
twenty three hours a day. Whenever he leaves, he will
be shackled, handcuffed. He will, before he leaves his cell
(32:33):
have to strip naked to make clear he has nothing
on him. He will then this will be the type
of room he'll be in. If you're watching on YouTube,
it'll be the door will have the small window, it'll
be covered. There will be a slot for his tray
and for his hands. So he put his hands out,
he'll be cuffed. He'll then be shackled in any place
(32:56):
he moves to throughout the prison. That will be happening.
When he goes out to reck, he'll be in a
cage as well. It will be like a batting cage
almost if you've ever been to one. It'll be locked.
He'll be the only one in there. It's not like
he's going to be in like a Shaw Shank type
of situation where he's around other inmates. It's not gonna happen.
And the reason for that is not only is Brian
(33:18):
Coberger high profile, but his crime is extremely heinous, and
these states and federal institutions learn we cannot house certain
inmates with other people. So in the fact that he's
an extremely high security risk, he needs to be in
(33:39):
PC basically because if he does get put into regular
prison with GPS general population, he'll probably be assaulted, ay
or killings. That's just the truth, and that's why the
worst of inmates are put into these sorts of situations.
This is the worst type of time to do. It's
real simple. They're gonna say why because when you're when
(34:03):
you accept that you're in prison for life, the only
thing that keeps you going is the fact that you know,
small things I get to eat a meal with other people.
Why being in a room by yourself, you know, twenty
three hours a day is extremely difficult and thinking about yourself,
you're any bath, you're you're in a room the size
(34:25):
of a closet and the only things you have And
people say, well you have tablets and you have books stuf. Yeah, okay,
but think how long you could do that for? Like
the joys of being around other people, seeing the physical touch,
you know, being able to you know, look at someone
like when you're in seg like you don't have that.
(34:45):
So like when his meals delivered, it's not like they're
like looking him in the eye and handing it to him.
It's put through a tray and they shut it. It's
real simple. And when we look at Brian Coberger, it's
been stated multiple times that he has, you know, major
issues with high genie as far as like he has
to shower for hours on end, like all that stuff.
When you go to prison, that's taken away. You don't
(35:08):
tell us what you want, We tell you what we want.
That's how you live. And again he hasn't really had
to deal with that because he's been in county type facilities.
It's going to be a very big and quick wake
up call. And there are very few people that have
to live like this in the state of Idaho. But
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there are people that are at the top levels of
crime infamous that cannot be housed with other people. And
we have seen what happens to these type of people
when they're in general population, and the death and murder
of Jeffrey Dahmer is a prime example. If you don't
think other locations have learned of what to do and
(35:49):
what not to do. Anybody that knows anything about prison
knows that prison staff has to be very, very very
careful on how they house people who they can house
certain people with the simple thought of you don't put
a sex offender with a murderer. It's very simple. What's
gonna happen. There's a board in every prison and every
(36:11):
person has to be picked one by one on who
houses with who, and mister Koberger is it's like Idaho
has an incredibly high amount of maximum security prisoners. They
only have about five hundred, and the people that are
on his level are very few. There's probably about a dozen.
He's never gonna be put in with anyone else. It's
(36:33):
not gonna happen, no fucking way. When you look at Dahmer,
for instance, you're never gonna put in with like other
people like work on. It's not gonna happen. If they
do put him to a job, it'll be done something
like making license plates where every inmate's attached to a chair,
(36:53):
like they can't get up and move around Like that
will never happen. These states learn from other states, and
you learn they learn from different experiences that go on.
I mean, it's just never gonna happen. So if you're expecting,
like one of the victims family stated that he's gonna
be raped, it's not gonna happen. Now, It's never gonna happen.
(37:17):
Now his life where he'll be will be way worse because,
as maybe you've heard before, true isolation is the most
haunting thing that can happen to somebody. And that's the
exact way Brian Kolberg should have to deal with his life.
(37:39):
And you know what will happen. The guards at Max,
they watch the news just like everybody else. The people
that patrol these hallways, they have kids, They have daughters, nieces, sisters, mothers, brothers,
they have family. Maybe they have a kid this age,
(38:04):
and that's what you'll see. He'll start to maybe not
get certain mail, maybe they'll forget to feed him. One day,
he'll deal with his crimes and he'll pay. Going to
prison here is the worst punishment. It's hell on earth, truly,
(38:26):
and it's for the worst of worst. Being raped. You
can you can get repaired the isolation after years on
end of being in seg It's the worst punishment entity
(38:46):
worthy one for him. So he put a bone in this.
I guess the only thing we have to think about
in the future is what's next. Will we ever know?
Well Coburger write from prison why he did what he did?
Will maybe he speak? My guess is I don't know
if this date I owed even allowed anyway, they own him.
Now he does what he's told, he doesn't do what
(39:08):
they wanted to do. We're not dealing with like you know,
we're not dealing with he don't have any rights anymore. Really,
he's going to be treated the way he should be treated,
and no one's gonna feel sorry. It's not like people
are gonna come to his aid really, you know. So
(39:28):
that's kind of what we'll find out next if he's
ever spoken about again. But I think that the judge
made a great point. Let's stop speaking about this guy.
There's nothing more to say. He's a number. That's it.
And I do believe he is still in County. I
think they're figuring out his future to you know, kind
(39:50):
of when he'll be transferred. I don't believe he's in
max at this point just yet. I guess I should
probably look that up. But but yeah, and even any
money he makes in prison will go to the restitution
that he has to pay. So his life is over
and that's a great ending before mister Coberger. So rest
(40:15):
and piss, as they say, before we go. I do
want to say, one final time, rest in peace to
k League and Kylevin. It's Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Zana.
I'm just so young at the time of their death,
and may their memories be blessing to their family. Next week,
I believe I'm going to have an interview, so stay
(40:37):
tuned to that. I'm not going to say with who,
I'm not going to say what it's about. I might
be an interview, I might have some other type of show,
but we'll see. We'll get to that when we get
to it. I hope everybody has a great week and
I'll see you next week. Here
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