5-Star Hype vs. 1-Star Duds: Weapon X Season Ratings ft. LaurenWhatevs | The Snap Chat Ep. 159 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Alex (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the
Snapchat.
Today I'm joined by a veryspecial guest, someone that I
had been looking forward tohaving on the Snapchat for the
longest time.
Someone who operates completelydifferent than me in the Marvel
Snap Space because they do themath.
You guys know me?
I don't do math, but LaurenWhatevs does.
Lauren, it is great to have youon the Snapchat.
How are you today?

LaurenWhatevs (00:20):
Oh my gosh, I'm doing great and it is awesome to
be on the Snapchat.
I've been, uh, watching thissince before I started Content
Creation.

Alex (00:29):
No way.
Okay.
That's actually pretty cool.
So I like to always ask this fornew guests that have been on the
Snapchat for the first time.
So first of all, what got youinto Marvel Snap in the first
place?
What was that thing that you'relike, huh, I'm gonna install
this game and I'm gonna playthis game.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, I gotta make cr content
for this game.
I, I love it.
So what was that kind of insinspirational moment that got
you fully into Marvel Snap?

Yeah, there were two things.
One was, I, I had seen it in theApp store and.
Early days, they were talkingabout all the variants you could
collect and they showed pixelart variant and I love pixel
art.
And I was kinda like, that'scool.
I didn't get the game then, butlike it was on my radar at that
point.
And then I was listening to, uh,the Adventure Zone, or my

(01:11):
brother, and my brother and me,one of those with the McElroy
boys.
And they talked about how theirdad was really into Marvel Snap
lately.
And I was like.
Huh?
Is that, that one game?
And I checked it out and fell inlove with it instantly.

Alex (01:23):
That's awesome.
And uh, that's reallyinteresting to hear because, so
there's a bunch of creators thatdidn't actually start on the
onset, right?
Like I was in the early beta andso like, I kind of had a bit of
a head start with the decks withthe.
With the cards and kind ofgetting more familiar with the
game.
And even me, I felt like I kindof had a late launch.
'cause I actually, I joke aboutthis all the time.
I had actually applied as acontent creator at the very

(01:45):
onset of Marvel Snap.
And they ghosted me.
They're like, nah bro, like wedon't need you or we don't want
you there.
Right.
I don't know, they didn'tactually respond to me.
They didn't say like, y'all, yousuck, bro.
But they just, I just gotghosted, right.
And then I got in and then likeeveryone else got in, like, as
you know, they were kind ofinvited privately and stuff like
that.
And I was like, just watchingfrom the window, you know, like
that, that SpongeBob meme.

(02:06):
Right.
That was me.
And then I just kind of got inwith like, as anyone else in the
world would get in.
Right.
And at the time I was makingDota two content and I just, I
fell in love with the game.
Like the actual gameplay, likeit's kind of ing what draws you
in.
'cause the art's amazing too.
But for me, like I don'tactually buy lots of variants
and stuff like that.
The opening cinematics, I knowlike Harry Perry got.
Fired up about like thecinematics that they were

(02:28):
producing and the music video,the Hero music video from Oh
yeah.
Martin Garrick's and all thatstuff.
It's so interesting to hearlike, what pulls people in
because Marvel Snap does so muchso well that like, you can get
pulled in by any number offronts.
And for me it was like just thegameplay that was so fun.
And I remember just telling, uh,telling my wife, I'm like, yeah,
like I, I make Dota content, butlike, I've never had more fun

(02:51):
playing a game than Marvel Snap.
Like even if no one watches me,and even if like I only go to
like two viewers on Twitch, likeI'm gonna play Snap because this
is like, it doesn't feel likework to me.
And um, and the rest is history,I guess.
So that is super fascinating.
And talking about that too, it'snot just about the con, you
actually have some new plans inMarvel, Snap Land.

(03:12):
Would you like to fill us in onwhat you've been working on?

Yeah.
Um, I'm okay.
I've been, I've teamed up withScott Denim from Snap dot fan.
We are working on a website thatis going to be just like our
home for wherever all, any kindof content we want without
having to have it approved bythe site owner or an editor of
anything like that.

(03:35):
Just have that kind of freereign.
I do a lot of free content onTwitter and I would much rather
put it in a place that's not ahellscape.
So in our goal is two weeks.
I think that's ambitious, butScott thinks it's doable.
In a couple weeks, we're gonnalaunch a new Snap website called
Fourth Location.
All of my economy guides will bethere.

(03:56):
Snap.
Uh, Scott puts out tons of decksand deck guides.
Those will all be there.
Be on the lookout.
Watch, watch, uh, my socials forthe official fourth location
debut.

Alex (04:06):
Awesome.
And we'll have all of Lauren'ssocials link down below so you
can follow along.
And I'm actually looking forwardto that'cause I actually think
you build some of the bestcontent on the planet right now
because as I said, it's polarops to what I do.
Like you do the number crunchingand I think that's phenomenal,
right?
And uh, so I really appreciatethat.
I'm looking forward to the siteand uh, but I mean listen, I
think it's both time we talkabout some Marvel Snap cards
'cause there are a whole lot ofMarvel Snap cards that are

(04:30):
coming out this month.
And it's funny'cause just beforewe started recording we kinda
had like a little banter.
I'm like, I think there's someserious hits here.
But I also think there might besome misses.
It's gonna be a bit of a wildmonth.
I think there's gonna be somewild swings in power.
So, well, Laura and I are gonnabreak'em all down for you right
now and uh, we're gonna startwith the season pass card.

(04:52):
This is weapon X.
Weapon X is a two two that readsafter one of your other cards is
destroyed, plus one power.
After every third time, improvethis effect by one.
A little bit of a typo on thescreen there, but, uh, long
story short, this is a destroycentric card.
Makes sense.
It's essentially Wolverine.

(05:12):
Uh, okay.
Hold on.
I haven't read the comics yetabout weapon X.
So if I, if I'm calling itWolverine and I'm not like
canonically, correct.
I do apologize.
But

in the data minds he's called Weapon X Wolverine.
So I think you're right.

Alex (05:24):
Okay.
See, I'm trying to catch up.
I'm trying to catch up.
I'm actually doing some readingon, uh, on our, uh, alpha Flight
member we'll be talking aboutlater.
So the, I I'm trying to catch upwith the Laura.
I promise I am.
But Lauren, I'll give you thefloor here on Weapon X, which is
the premium season pass card.
What do you think?

Oh, I think it's such a weird season pass card,
like Wolverine makes sense,right?
A character that everybodyrecognizes, like makes sense to
sell another one of those.
But it's such a niche ability.
I think it's supposed to be anew deck type or kind of like
that Death Mockingbird thing.
Because you have to get a lot ofdestroys to make this work.

(06:03):
And just, I dunno if he's goodenough to make that deck to make
that deck a real deck.
He gets very, very big.
And it's even okay that he'svulnerable to Sean and Shadow
King.
'cause like, okay.
They spent their tech card on a,on my two.
But yeah, I'm really, I'm, thisis a strange card,

Alex (06:23):
so it's funny to hear you say that because I am feeling
the exact same way.
First of all.
I don't think that this is asplug and play into the destroy
archetype as others may think itis.
I think that you're removingsome key things, like who do you
actually take out from thedestroy decks?
Now I know you think well cooksomething wholly new and I'm
gonna try, damn it.
'cause I kind of wanna bringback, uh, zombie Captain Marvel

(06:43):
this season.
I think that she might actuallyhave a chance to do something
this season.
But with Weapon X, the problemthat I see is that you have a
card that wants other cards toget destroyed, but not itself
and destroy.
You have six turns, seven.
If you wanna play, magic or theyplay for you, which is ideal, I
guess you have six turns.
You have to destroy things anduse cars to destroy those

(07:05):
things.
You're gonna run out of time toactually get this ramped up
because like you, if you cutWolverine.
To add this card in.
Like it's funny how like theykind of compete in the same
segment, then you're just notdestroying as many cards.
'cause Wolverine wants to getmunched on all the time, right?
And then like, okay, do you cutsomething like, you know, the
Moyer X that's making some ofthese decks?
I think Moyer X might be betterthan weapon X because Moyer X

(07:28):
gives you the Snap equity oflike, I got double death, right?
I got an extra Knull or doublevenom or whatever, right?
Weapon X has a very face upability that your point can just
read on.
Whereas like, I don't think it'sbetter than Warrior Acts either.
The power's there, thepotential's there.
But when I look at when the deckis kind of built and what I look
at like, okay, what am I gonnaplay day one?
I'm like, I think this is just aworse version of destroy.

(07:51):
I'm not convinced it's a betterversion of destroy.
I wanna be proven wrong.
And if I'm not proven wrong,they're gonna buff the car too.
By the way, just so you know,let's get ahead of that.
If this card doesn't land, theybuff in it.
Okay.
But you understand what I'msaying, Lauren?
Like I feel like it's just notquite serving the purpose of
advancing Destroy.

Yeah, I totally get it.
And if you've got like X 23 orWolverine out and they hop over
to the weapon X lane and likeguess you're just not gonna hit
them anymore because you don'twant to take out your like
scalor.
Yeah, I mean he really does getvery big if you get nine
destroys.
And I know that's asking like alot.
That's, that's a ton.
You have to have some likeKillmonger shenanigans to pull

(08:32):
that off.
He gets to like two 20, so itseems like he's definitely an
upgrade for that deck that'sdestroy as many things as
possible.
But I just like, I don't know ifhe's a good enough upgrade for
that deck.

Alex (08:47):
I had this thought of like, okay, so the first day
cards come out, a lot of peoplethey really try to fixate on
like, how can I make this thingshine?
Right?
And they go all in on weapon X.
I'm not convinced Weapon X islike the carry card.
Like it might be a supportingcharacter but at the same time
it might be able to carry, andone of the places I wanted to
take it from a deck buildingperspective was I kind of wanted
to say, okay, you brought upKillmonger and I think

(09:09):
Killmonger's actually like theMVP for this card.
Like it's what this card needsand like, can we do like a
squirrel girl Moira X Killmongerstyle thing where you're trying
to like Moon Girl the deaths orsomething like that.
Or even Moon Girl.
I mean you can't even Moon Girlweapon X'cause it's not an
ongoing ability.
It has to be on the field ofplay to be getting the numbers
anyways.
But I'm trying to figure outlike, okay, we used to do like,

(09:31):
you know, Killmonger squirrelgirl type stuff in order to
activate the likes of death.
Could a Moon Girl style deckwork like that?
Or are we just trying too hardto make a card work?
You know what I mean?

Yeah.
And I think that's totally wherewe should be exploring.
Like this has to be a uniqueflavor of destroy and something
like.
Get Shauna going or squirrelgirl like that.
That does seem like the rightway to do this.
You could always misery yourKillmonger to get it, like
another blast of of kills out.
So I think it's going to bepossible and weapon X will get

(10:05):
very big.
Sometimes it just goes back tolike.
If we're doing Moon Girl stuff,like can that, is there any way
that that can compete withStandard Destroy?

Alex (10:15):
Yeah, exactly.
And the other thing aboutStandard Destroy too is that
you've already had a nerve to X23.
So that, in my opinion, has hurtnull quite a bit because that
little incremental powerincrease does impact null,
especially if you ever point aZola or something like that.
'cause it double dips on thatpower.
But now if you put weapon X infor wolverine, like say you cut
wolverine, now you have a, aNerf X 23 wolverine's outta the

(10:37):
mix.
So do you actually cut null fromthis deck?
Because what's null doing ifyou're not actually generating
as many consistent destroys,right?
Yes.
You might be destroying a bunchof scrolls or something to kind
of get that weapon X effecthappening, but you're not
putting numbers up on destroythe way, like, you know, hitting
a Wolverine lane would overtime.
So that's kind of one of thethings I've been thinking about.

(10:58):
And I guess the other place thatwe have to talk about too is
like, you could consider like afire hair, misery style deck
too, where you're, you know,you're popping off on hoods or
something like that.
But again, I don't know if youcan destroy quite enough here.
To make it worth it because Iwas thinking, okay, let's say
you do like a turn one hood,turn two weapon X, turn three,
you do like a Shauna and thenturn four, you do like X 23 or

(11:20):
something into Killmonger.
You know, you're going to, maybeyour Shauna brings out ice men's
and stuff like that.
And you actually do a little bitof disruption while wiping
everything out, but you actuallydon't have much power on the
board, you know what I mean?
You're kind of like, you're kindof shooting yourself in the
foot.
So I wonder about whether or notthis card is in fact good enough
as it stands.

(11:40):
I think the scaling'sinteresting, obviously would've
been way better as an ongoing'cause, like more, uh, I always
get them confused.
Morphous is a ongoing, so itdoesn't matter what's happening
on the board.
You don't need morby on theboard and then discarding
things, you can hold them forturn six if you want.
Morby loves that.
This card does not do what Morbydoes.
It has to be on the field ofplay.

(12:02):
And for that reason I feel likeit might be a little wonkier.

Yeah.
And like it's a very weak latedraw, right?
You don't want this out there ifyou're only, if it's only gonna
see a few kills, it's gonna betwo, five or smaller.
Um, the other thing I've thoughtabout doing with Weapon X, are
you familiar with like theReddit deck that does like Blink
and Galactus?
Andron?
I can't remember everythingthat's in that deck, but that's
the deck that I'm like, I wonderif you can fit Weapon X in here?

(12:29):
You ac you know, you get outAntron early and then Killmonger
all the drones.
That's actually a pretty goodhit.
And then you get that isinteresting and then you get
cheap death.

Alex (12:40):
That is kinda interesting.
I'm familiar with the deckyou're referring to.
I have not actually played it inthe longest time.
But I can see that potentiallyworking.
I just.
It turns a star rating.
I'm gonna say that I'm in theabout to three range and it's
not like an optimistic three.
If I could say two and a half, Iwould.
I don't think it's a two.
I think it's better than thatbecause it's gonna have that

(13:00):
scaling ability.
It does scale very well and Ibet you somebody somewhere is
going to crack the code on it.
But like, I don't know, I'm justnot sold on this particular car
the way I'm sold on some of theothers.
It's a very unoo, unenthusiasticthree for me.

Uh, I think I'm at three also, like it's gonna
be strong in its deck, but itsdeck is not very good.

Alex (13:23):
Yeah.
And that is the season passcard, which is going to take us
to the premium season pass card.
Uh, it's actually a skill.
The art is, uh, is, isn't, uh,indicative of it being a skill,
but it's a forecast skill, whichis actually a very expensive
skill.
It might actually be the mostexpensive skill.
I think images of Iken is also afour.
So, and that is an insanelypowerful skill.

(13:45):
So we have the Adamantiuminfusion, which is a forecasted
skill that reads on RevealRevive your highest power
destroyed card here with itspower doubled.
Uh, Lauren, I'll give you thefloor.
What do you think of the newskill Adamantium infusion?

All right.
I've seen people hesitant abouta forecast skill, and I am not
worried about that the same wayI'm worried about a forecast
activate.
It's fine if it leaves theboard, if it's doing something
big enough.
And having targeted revival anddoubling of that card is a very
strong thing to do.

(14:24):
Uh, it is a question of thetiming, right?
Like, is this gonna be morelike.
An elixir where it's kind ofawkward to find the right timing
with it or can it be Phoenixforce?
And to me it seems more likethat.
It seems that you're trading offthe move of Phoenix force to get
double power and there areplenty of decks that will like
that.
Nimrod comes to mind first.

(14:46):
How about you?

Alex (14:47):
Yeah, so it's funny you mentioned Nimrod because the
Nimrod fallen one black PantherZola Deck is I think where I'm
gonna kind of bring this, Ithink it makes the most sense
for that particular shell.
And I, I actually do really likethat I have a low key but an
enjoyer fall one.
I know this is a bit of a hottake, but I kind of like it and
I feel like a lot of people,'cause they don't see it often,
they don't expect what you cando with Black Panther Zola on,

(15:08):
uh, that final turn if you getthe pop off on it.
But with Adamantium infusionit's expensive, but.
In this game of Marvel Snap,there have been two things that
have been so consistent.
One, anything that gives plusthree power is usually broken.
And two, anything that doublespower is usually broken.
Those have been like kind of theconsistence, right?

(15:28):
And this is a card that doublespower.
Yes, you're doubling a highestcost, or sorry, highest power
destroyed card, but it has alittle bit of targetability.
You know what you're bringingback and you're getting its
power doubled, which is verysignificant.
So ultimately I am of themindset where like I kind of
wanna come in at a three here,but this would not surprise me

(15:49):
if it ends up hitting like fouror four and a half territory.
I like other cards better thisseason, but this is one of those
cards that I think is gonna finda place.
I think it'll feel bad for thefirst couple days and then like
three weeks later there's gonnabe this one deck that shows up
where it like it feels unfair.
And Adamantium Infusion is goingto be one of the key linchpin
cards that makes the interactionunfair.

(16:11):
It's just a matter of gettingthere.
I think this is a bit of a deckbuilding challenge.
I'm gonna go into, you know, theBlack Panther Zola combination
style decks to see what I cancome up with, but it wouldn't
surprise me if something whollynew takes this card to the next
level.

Hmm.
I am a high four for this one.
I can see the hesitation to callit a five, but I'm just like,
I'm sure that this is going tofind a home.
It's okay if you play it on turnsix, right?
With the, if with the nimrodstuff you can do carnage or
another card.
We'll be talking about later.
Fastball special play, both ofthem on the same turn.

(16:45):
And there's just cool things youcould do with that.
If you could pull off, like youwere talking about Panther Zola.
What if you do a Zola atiuminfusion, like split the card up
and then you revive it the next,you know, on the same turn.
It's just, there's gonna be forsure big things that you can do
with this.
Doubling is so strong.

Alex (17:05):
And the key thing about this too, and I believe I read
this, like I believe in like um,one of the creator chats we had,
someone asked the question, Idon't remember where I see it, I
read too much stuff, but uh, Ibelieve it will repro on
reveals.
So it means, so like if youbring back the Black Panther,
it'll do, it's on reveal again,which I think is really
beneficial.
Obviously when your doublingpower, right?

(17:25):
So you're kind of doubledipping.
So you're right, you can Zolathe Black Panther and then
Adamantium Infusion and bring itback because technically the
destroyed version of BlackPanther is still hovering in
limbo while the two replicationshave occurred.
Right?
So I do think Zola is gonna belike the card for Adamantium
infusion.
I'm just not quite sure whereit's gonna kind of come into

(17:47):
play.
And there is a chance, like youdid mention Phoenix Force on the
onset.
Phoenix Force does someinteresting stuff too.
I think there's a couple likepotential Phoenix Force cards
this month.
I'm not sure if AdamantiumInfusion's the one.
But still it's a tool.
I just don't know.
I just don't know.
I can see it being probably moreplayed in the Nimrod, black
Panther, Zola style stuff, but Iwanna be wrong.

(18:08):
I want to see some really coolstuff.
Uh, this is gonna be the superpremium season pass card, by the
way.
So you have the we, uh, weapon Xas the premium.
This is a super premium.
This is like the extra, it'slike the$20 USD you get or
whatever.
So that's gonna be the upperechelon of the season pass.
That's not the only card comingout on that day because on that
day we also get chamber.

(18:30):
This is December 2nd chamber isa two three.
That reads activate plus twopower for each five cost or
higher card you have here and inhand.
So checking both the locationand your hand.
It's a two three.
He has a beard of fire.
It's an activate.

(18:50):
And Lauren, once again, I'llgive you the floor.
What do you think about chamber?

Oh, I think this card looks cool.
It looks explosive.
Both if you look at the art or,or read the text, it makes you
dream of, what's this deck whereI can play tons of expensive
cards, but I just don't think itin that deck, right?
Like the sort of decks that wehave like that are big ramp
decks or like hella, and I don'tthink this really makes a lot of

(19:16):
sense in either.
Even if you do get, what if youget him to hit three or four,
he's like a 2 9, 2 11.
That's big.
But we're gonna see other, othertwo cost cards that are
comparable without that hugedeck building cost.
So I'm not a big fan of Chamberactually.

Alex (19:38):
Okay.
So it's kind of funny that yousaid that because I was thinking
about this before we recordedand I was doing all my notes and
stuff and like, I'm so ho hum onthese cards.
I'm ho hum on this one too.
Even though I think it's a rampcard, I like Ramp and I, it's a
place all that I wish Iinteracted with more.
But like we have a lot of twocosted cards this season that
like you can make the argumentof getting to like almost 10

(19:58):
power and for some reason we'relike, ho hum on it.
And I can just picture like Glenand the designers be like, what
do you want?
What do you want from a two dropthat gets to like nine power?
Like, what is wrong?
So it's like kind of funny thatwe're so ho hum on these cards
that could potentially put upsome serious power.
Right?
But I'm kind of with you onchamber.
Like I'm at three stars, which Imean, it's been consistent three
stars for me, even though Ithink that like Adamantium uh,

(20:19):
infusion is better than Chamberand better than, uh, weapon X.
I'm gonna tell you that withChamber.
I like the idea that it's likean easy two seven really.
Turn two is often a turn as wellthat you can just like.
You can commit to playingsomething.
You can commit to somethinglike, actually most ramp shells
might wanna play something likea Penny Parker, but
realistically you can playchamber there.

(20:41):
And for me it's like, alright,to get to two nines kind of
straightforward here.
Like it's really not that hard.
And what if, what if, I knowthis is a little bit of cope,
but we've gotta cope.
Sometimes I was thinking like,okay, what if I make a deck with
like Esan Nick Fury?
Because the cool thing aboutthis is that if you Nick Fury,
that's a ton of power in thehand that Chamber loves.

(21:03):
Yeah.
You're also ramping, so you getto play those cards too, even
though he's a forecast, which iskind of weird.
But what I'll say is that.
Eson will pull at the end of theturn, which means that chamber
will activate before that, it'llget the plus two for the stuff
in the hand.
And then Eson is gonna pullstuff down, which could
potentially be a prettyinteresting play, but you're
adding random garbage and it canpull a destroyer down and wipe

(21:24):
your board.
So it's like, I'm not exactlysure if I wanna play that style
deck, even though right now wedo have some decks that are
running like, you know, the lockjaw Jubilee style stuff with
Blink.
Like that stuff is really cool.
It's unfortunate it's warmachine, but if we take that
general shell and we put it moreinto a ramp archetype, could it

(21:45):
be potentially good?
And could Jaber fit in that?

I can see that.
And I think it, it's interestingto think about like, what decks
can he upgrade or enable?
You know, he, he's a two costscaler.
Like he's, I don't think he's anenabler as much as he is just
like a small upgrade to a deck.
But I really wonder like, whatare you cutting?
You talked about Penny.
It's like you don't want to cutPenny.
He, he reminds me a lot ofWeapon X, where it's like, it's,
he's got a super niche home.

(22:09):
He's super face up.
Just, I don't like, he has aplace, but it's a, a small place
and not a very good one.
I, if I give anything a one, Ithink, I think he's my worst
card of this season.

Alex (22:22):
Um, you're giving chamber one.
Oh man.
I think it's not great, but Idon't think it's awful.
Awful.
I think that like it, if youwant to cope, you can play it.
I think it'll put numbers thatlike warrant, its inclusion and
decks.
But the problem that we have inSnap is that there's 12 card
slots.
There's 12 card slots, and so ifyou're gonna be committing to 12
cards this has to be better thanone of the 12 and I don't know

(22:44):
if it'll consistently be that.

Yeah.
One thing I think is worthmentioning, skipping ahead to
January, we have a few dragonsthat like it.
If you play small cards and bigcards and chamber fits that play
style where you've got a mix ofsmall cards and big cards, maybe
he gets better then.

Alex (23:01):
Listen, I've had so many conversations with people that
are like, Hey, it might getbetter in the future.
And it's true, it just might.
But we have like two examples ofthat.
We have Elixir, which is like itis gonna get better in the
future.
And then it's just like Elixirkind of still sucks, right?
But then you get Prodigy, right?
Where Prodigy on Release feelstotally suss and then all of a
sudden prodigy's literally inthe best stack in the game and
it's breaking everything.
And everyone's wondering ifpro's interactions are broken,

(23:22):
actually legitimately bugs, youknow what I mean?
Like that invisible woman projestuff seems like it's a couple
extra turns.
I don't know if that's supposedto be working that way, but it's
kind of funny to think thatlike, is Chamber that exact car?
Like does it make much moresense in January, uh, where you
get like those dragons and stufflike that?
It's entirely possible.
So Chamber not inspiring.
A lot of confidence.
Three for me.

(23:44):
And again, a little a little bitof an unenthusiastic three for
me, Lauren, all the way down toa one that's an absolute kick in
the pantaloons.
But listen, there's gotta be,there's gotta be some love for
weapon X.
There's no way you're givingweapon XA one.
'cause I think this card isreally good.
Not insane, but potentially verygood.

(24:04):
It is a seven cost, 14 powercard that reads when discarded
put this back with negative twocost.
So imagine scar for discard.
That's what you've got.
Lauren, I'll give you the floor.
What do you think about weaponH?

Okay, here's another one who is very flashy
like chamber, right?
If we look at the art, we lookat the stats, we look at the
text.
But I think mostly weapon H canlive up to that.
I do think it's a little bit ofa trap, like, Hey, look at these
huge numbers.
Don't you wanna play this?
And it's like, well, you know,like KA shoe's, comparable.
Uh, can't work with hellabecause you're never like moving

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it to your discard pile.
The first place that I thoughtof for it was Black Knight.
I think that it's a really goodhit there.
And then you can realisticallyplay the four 14 blade and a
five or even cheaper weapon.
H what about you?
What are you thinking about?

Alex (25:02):
I'm thinking about how I didn't think about Black Knight.
Now I feel ashamed of myself.
'cause that's genius that BlackKnight's perfect.
I was thinking about, okay,where my head went was like, can
this replace con in dependablediscard?
Now I was thinking about whatlike Chavez used to do for
discard, but now you got mecompletely thinking about Black
Knight.
'cause I think you're right.
Even if you don't discountanything further, you have a

(25:22):
perfect curve with a 14 powerblade, a 14 power weapon age.
And then whatever the hell youwanna do on turn six, I think
you're cooking here.

All right.
Well, I mean, black Knight coulduse it probably.

Alex (25:35):
Yeah.
Black Knight was like, one ofthose, one of those cards I
think took a bit of a straybecause it was actually fun.
What was it that killed BlackKnight?
It came back with Hella, it cameback for, with Hella Redshift
for a while.
Right.
There was versions of, uh, hellaRedshift that ran Black Knight
and then something happened.
Not a bad hit with

Agatha.

Alex (25:51):
Yes.
Oh no, it was, it was Agatha.
That's right.
It was Agatha.
'cause you'd consistently hitAgatha with, with uh, that's
right.
That's where it was.
I'm not sure what happened tothe meta where it got completely
just taken out, but that was thelast time I saw it.
Is the time that Black Knightcomes back.

Yeah.
I mean I maybe part of whathappened with Black Knight is
people were trying to do cutethings with Infin and then you
get the four 20 blade and youhave to ghost rider or hella to
get infin back.
This is a trade off, right?
You get 14 power instead of 20power.
But this seems easier to pulloff to me than getting Infin
back to your board.

Alex (26:25):
Yeah.
And the other thing I wannamention here is that like I, I
like Concho.
I think Concho is good.
Obviously Chu is a goldengauntlet winning deck.
If you just take cons out andyou put weapon H in, seriously,
I think the deck still kind ofworks.
Yeah.
And I think you can get a littlemore aggressive too, because you
can even, like some of the cons,decks don't run gambit.
I think you can run gambit.
'cause now you have a very,like, you want to hit this, you

(26:47):
wanna discard this while tradingsomething on their board.
Right.
I think that, uh, this deckalongside like your classic
Proxima midnight discard Modocstyle list with Dracula and
Apocalypse is absolutely fine.
'cause one of the things you cando here is if you can discount
this enough, right?
You might be able to play thisalongside, Dracula on turn six

(27:08):
or whatever, right?
If things don't quite go yourway.
So I do really like this deckthis card specifically.
And actually when it'sdiscarded, it'll go to the
right.
'cause that's what Discard does.
It'll compete and step onApocalypses toes a little bit,
but the fact that it's beingdiscounted and it'll always
generally be cheaper thanApocalypse given that you're
discarding things.
I think people just sneak itinto the curve.

(27:29):
And it might be able to like,give you answers on say turn
five, where you're like, damn, Ididn't draw my modoc, but I
wanna play something legit Here.
You can play weapon H, right?
And if you're, um, if yourDracula is sitting on board and
you top deck your modoc goinginto turn six with apocalypse in
your hand, you're stilllaughing.
So I do think that this, uh,this card could potentially be
very good.

(27:49):
I don't know.
I just I have a four star ratingfor it.
I see it having a very solidfloor, a relatively good
ceiling.
I think this is a good card.
If you're a discard enjoyer, Ican absolutely see this being in
your, in your deck.
I don't feel like you have to domuch for this card to be good.
It's doing exactly what Discardwants to do.
You're discarding cards, so Ifeel like this is a relatively
low risk, solid option thisseason.

Yeah, he's a four for me too, and I really like
your call with, with theApocalypse Dracula deck.
I think he actually can replaceksu.
He's the easier version of thedeck, right?
Like KSU is higher role becausethere's a possibility that
you're getting KSU for 12 pluswhatever he revives for 12.
But this is like, you're fine ifyou hit this three times, right?

(28:33):
Whereas ksu ISS gone if you hithim three times.
So this is like the safer,easier version of the deck.

Alex (28:39):
Yeah.
KSU might have higher upsidehere and there I think, because
obviously that that extra poweryou're bringing back.
But, um, it's so funny to thinkhow, like, I still wonder if
there's still a better versionof Concho out there that's not
seeing play.
Like you got the, the firstGhost rider, the Gores, the
Ironmans.
Like we, we try to experimentwith that at the start and then
we kinda just let it slide.
But I still think that like,those are obvious, incredible

(29:00):
targets for something likeConcho.
But it just so happens thatbringing back a.
Massive Dracula is just fine orbigger back.
A massive morbid is just fine orwhatever, right?
And it's kind of funny how thatworks sometimes.
It actually goes to show thatsometimes when you overcook,
sometimes the more obvious bestthings are just sitting right
there in front of you on yourplate, right?
So, weapon H getting goodreviews from us overall as we

(29:22):
move on to a card.
Lauren, I gotta tell you, ifthere's any card that's gonna
get me sweaty this season, it'sthis one here.
There's two cards that reallystand out for me.
There's actually three.
I think we're okay.
I think we're kind of past thequestionable cards.
I think weapon H was the startof like, okay, now we're
cooking.
Maverick is a three three, sowe're already surfing.

(29:44):
You guys know that already aboutme.
It's a three three and it reads,activate.
Give the next card.
You play power equal to thiscard's power.
Yes, I'm in love with Maverickand it's not because he's
studly, it's because he is adamn good card.
That's gonna go into one of myabsolute favorite archetypes in
Marvel Snap.
I'm playing this in Surfer.
I don't even care if, ifeveryone's like, guys it, it's

(30:06):
gonna be better somewhere else.
It's gonna be better here orthere.
I'm playing it in Surfer.
None of you can stop me.
This is a fantastic card.
I'm going to give this a fivestar because I think it's that
good.
There's another card that Ithink is also very good, but
this might be the card.
I'm most excited for this seasonbecause I think it's gonna
rejuvenate, Surfer, it's gonnatake, what are those things,

(30:28):
those clear bomb, what are thosecalled?
Defibrillators?
The thing you kinda shake.
Yeah.
Yep.
This is the defibrillator forSilver Surfer.
But Lauren, what do you thinkabout Maverick?

Okay.
I'm allowed to give out one fivestar, right?
That's,

Alex (30:41):
you can give as many as you want.
'cause I actually have twowritten down.

Okay.
I don't know if I'm there fromAverick, but yes, definitely a
Surfer card.
And in the kind of Surfer thatloves buffing, it's just hitting
a critical mass of cards thatcan give buffs and cards that
want buffs, right?
Like brood is the obvious hitfor this.
But also if you hit Shaw orCaptain Carter, you are not
upset about that at all.
I wanna shout out one of mypodcast co-host Ben Roller, who

(31:08):
took a Surfer buff deck to like.
Top 40 something in the, in thefinal golden gauntlet.
And he runs America Chavez inSurfer.
And he's a strong believer inthat because there's so many
good hits in the deck.
And I think this adds anothergood hit, right?
Like if you get Maverick, hejust passed, he just passes that
buff forward.

(31:29):
Who doesn't wanna give plus sixto your card or, or, or plus six
to your brood.
So yeah, this is a nasty cardwith a lot of potential.

Alex (31:36):
It is.
And I think that this is one ofthe examples too, where Activate
might be a superpower becauseyou can activate and like you
can kind of cue your final turnsof, let's say you're still
playing Sarah.
You can play something likeSebastian Shaw and then activate
Maverick brood Surfer orwhatever, right?
Or if you're like, I need to gomore vertical with Sebastian
Shaw, you activate Shaw BroodedSurfer.

(31:56):
Like it gives you a little bitof like agency as to how you
apply that power.
But most importantly here, Ithink there's just so many
options.
Chavez is a beauty.
Again, anytime you doing plusthree to something, it's a nice
thing, right?
Chavez does exactly that.
And Chavez traditionally hasalways been one of my favorite
cards in Snap.
But like traditional Chavez, Imiss her.
I miss six nine Chavez, right?
It's, I, I get why Glen waslike, no, she's gotta go.

(32:17):
But Glen, come on man.
Bring her back for, bring herback from some, like some game
over where it's like the OGs ofSnap.
Just bring back Broken Shiri,bring back Broken Chavez.
But like even something assimple as like you forge into
this card, it, that's alreadyhuge real estate.
'cause usually you're like, wellI want a forge brood, or I wanna
a Forge Shaw.
Well this just locks in Forge.

(32:38):
Like if you forge and thenyou're like, well I didn't top
deck Shaw or bro.
But I got Maverick.
Maverick just like, Hey Forge,don't worry, I got you.
I'll pass it on baby.
No problem.
He just, he just sends the loveforward, which is beautiful.
I think this makes Forge waybetter.
And also, you don't have to playthis on three.
If you gwenpool and then playthis on five, that's absolutely
fine.
If you galata and then play thison five, that's absolutely fine.

(33:02):
'cause again, you're paying thatpower forward.
And Sarah has been le less oftenplayed in Surfer, but Galacto
and Gwenpool are still there.
They ain't getting cut.
So I just don't see how thisunderperforms, I think this
might be, and again, I'm onlyfixating on Sulfur Surfer.
I know it could go in otherdecks.
There's other buff style decks.
I wanna see it.

(33:23):
I just, I don't even see those.
I see Surfer, you know, I'mgonna be playing Surfer the
whole time.
I'm only gonna show up one deckthis week.
I usually come with like fivethis week.
It's one.
It's gonna be Surfer.
I'm gonna be playing MaverickSurfer.
So what is your final starrating?
I'm going five here.
I'm too excited about it.
I love Maverick.
It's gonna be niche, but I thinkit's gonna be really good for
surfers.
So I'm giving it five.
It's one of the ones I'm mostexcited about, but Lauren,

(33:45):
what's your star rating?

Yeah, I think I gotta go four because it is very
strong in Surfer, but it's aspecific flavor of Surfer.
And then I think there's reallycute things you can do with it
and like combo deck, but cutedoesn't win games, it just makes
cool clips.
So I am very hesitant aboutMaverick's performance outside
of Surfer.

Alex (34:07):
That's absolutely fair.
And I like that you kind ofstuck to your guns.
Like I'm hyping'em up so hard,you know, like you got and
you're like, no, no, no, Alex,calm down.
Calm down.
You still just a four, likerelax bro.
Because I just, I actually kindof agree with you.
Just the four.
Just the four, because I havefive.
I told you I have two fiveswritten down and I was telling
myself,'cause we do, you'reright, we do traditionally only
do one five cost or one fivestar rating, but I wrote both as

(34:29):
five and I was like, you knowwhat, while we're talking I'll
decide which one's which.
But I haven't yet decidedbecause while.
While Maverick stole my heart,because it's a Surfer card,
Aurora steals my heart becauseit is alpha flight.
It is the Canadian Avengers,Aurora A six six.
That reads on reveal.

(34:52):
Give one of your other on revealcards at each location plus two
power repeat for ongoingactivate and end of turn, it's a
mouthful.
It's kind of confusing, but thisis gonna be car A card that I
think is gonna be very good inone very particular archetype.

(35:13):
I don't wanna steal yourthunder, Lauren.
So I'm going to let you getfirst dibs on this because I
think there's a very obviousarchetype where Aurora is going
to once again get thosedefibrillators and it's gonna
resurrect someone.
Who do you think it is?

Oh gosh, I.

Alex (35:30):
I put you on the spot, no accident.
I'm so

interested in which, in which deck you think
this is going to revive.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean some decks I've thoughtof for her don't need revival,
like, like zombies, but I don'tthink that needs help.

Alex (35:43):
No.
Zombies is actually really good.
So zombies got revived with abunch of buffs during the season
pass.
That's what happened there.
It's the Mad Titan.
It's Thano.
Aos.
Yes.
I think Thanos is gonna loveAurora because so many of the
stones have multiple of theseeffects and the stones are like
often sitting on your board.
And we've even gone as far asbeen like, yo.

(36:04):
We gotta, like we've lived alife where we're destroying the
stones.
'cause we're trying to createspace.
We've lived, lived a life wherewe're spectrum, the stones.
'cause there's enough ongoings.
We've lived so many differentversions of Thanos and Thanos is
inevitable.
He always comes back.
If you think Thanos isn't good,you are correct.
But it's gonna come back whenAurora comes back because he's

(36:25):
also gonna be a variant, from myunderstanding, he's a variant in
the grand arena.
So if you don't have him yet,you'll be able to pull him from
the grand arena and then you canget Aurora and she is going to
elevate that archetype.
I think this is a Thanos cardcompletely.
100%.
In fact, much like Maverick, Imight only show up with one deck
this week and it's gonna be aThanos deck'cause I think that

(36:45):
it is.
So just bounce, bounce.
Baseball swoosh, three point, Idon't know, I don't play
baseball.
Aurora's gonna be in Thanos.
That's my personal opinion.
Okay.

I love the Thanos call.
I should have said it, it wasthe other deck I was thinking
about, but I was like, does itneed revival?
I called it out on my podcast.
If you don't believe me, you cango listen.
So I, I Thanos is in mind andthose two zombies and Thanos are
the ones that have the mostcommon cards that have dual
abilities, right?
The zombie, Mr.
Fantastic being the other onewho's on, on reveal and an

(37:15):
activate.
I think Aurora's reallyinteresting.
I think she's very easy tocompare to Spectrum, you know,
besides her art, her ability isvery spectrum, but I think when
we're trying to think about herpower, it's better to think
about doom.
Can you beat plus five in theother lanes?
And that means that she needs toget three hits.
Granted, she only doesn't havethe space issue that Doom has.

(37:37):
She only needs to take up onespace on your board.
And that's better for Thanos,right?
Thanos doesn't have room forDoom Bots.
So I think she's a super funcard.
She's a five in my heart.
But um, and she's a veryinteresting deck building
puzzle, which is somethingthat's always fun.
I worry that people are justgoing to solve her, and then
that's like, that's the auroradeck.

(37:59):
But I hope that there aremultiple flavors.
So I'm gonna give her, I'm gonnagive her a four.

Alex (38:05):
You're breaking my heart, you're breaking my heart.
All my fives being counteractedwith fours.
But I totally understand whatyou're saying.
'cause they're gonna be one.
It's, I don't wanna say she's aone trick.
I don't think she's a one trick.
I think she might look like aone trick for the first two
weeks.
I think that's exactly whatyou're saying.
Me and everyone else, we'regonna show up with these Thanos
stacks and it's gonna be Thanosmere matches like crazy on
Aurora week.
And then someone somewhere isgonna cook something.

(38:28):
That's the hope.
'cause I like this card'sdesign, but one of the
challenges you have, and one ofthe reasons why I think that
Thanos works really well here isbecause Aurora is still just a
six six.
Like she doesn't have the powerto stand on her own.
She needs a supporting cast.
And I, I think that Doom is anapt comparison because Doom is
also adding his Doom bots, he'sadding value to the board in a

(38:48):
way, and he's adding things thatweren't there before.
Whereas Aurora needs thatexisting like that, those bodies
on the board, she needs thosethings there.
Right?
So she can't stand alone the wayDoom does.
I'm just kinda repeating whatyou said now I think about it,
but, but it's, but I totallyunderstand what you're saying
though.
And that's kind of what I thinkmight niche down Aurora.
But I think she's a really,really good card and I think

(39:11):
that Glenn and the design teamhas have done a really good job,
and I've said this before, Ithink that one of the targets,
and I don't know this for afact, but I believe it to be
true, is that they're trying tomake more archetypes in Marvel,
Snap, playable, and I think thatthey figure, you know, the more
archetypes that are generallyplayable in Marvel Snap, the
more fresh the meta will feellike if toxic has a playable

(39:31):
version, if Thanos has aplayable version, if move has a
playable version and like etcetera, et cetera.
Surfer for example, destroy,which got a ton of power
infusions move, got a ton ofpower infusions as well.
I think that if Thanos is kindof looking on the outside, is on
the outside looking in, I shouldsay, then Aurora might just be
what we need to bring it back.

(39:53):
I am personally excited forAurora, but I can see perhaps
the hesitation, although thisnext card.
We're talking about beauties,absolute beauties, coming on
December 30th, just before thenew year, just before we ring in
2026.
Phantom X, who I had never heardof before, but he's wearing a,

(40:14):
he's wearing an X-Men belt.
I'm not entirely sure.
I think that's an X-Men belt oris, that's just a belt with an x
Exxon.
It looks like it, it look, itcertainly does look like it.
Uh, Phantom X is a four six thatreads, activate if you've had
cards discarded and destroyed.
Afflict front row enemy cards ateach location with negative two
power the entire front row ofthe enemy location with negative

(40:38):
two power.
And this is an activate, whichcan wait till the end of the
game.
To do this, your opponents arelikely to fill up front rows.
I mean, I hate to tell you, youkind of have to, you can't just
choose to play the back row.
Right.
So, Lauren, I'll give you thefloor here.
What are your initialimpressions on Phantom X?

Okay, well this is the first of, I think, three
cards this season.
We haven't seen the other twoyet that are asking you to make
this destroyed discard hybriddeck.
Something that is technicallypossible now, right?
You have like docking WolverineX 23, but like, it's just, it's
not enough to justify thehybrid.

(41:18):
This is a huge ability and maybehuge enough to justify being a
forecast activate and maybe hugeenough to justify the weird
hybrid deck is very excitingability, but just gets
absolutely shut down by loopcage and that's, it's gonna hold
him back.

Alex (41:37):
I know, but I don't think Luke Ke is as prevalent across
all memoirs as compared to thetop.
So I feel like the averageMarvel Snap player will probably
have a relatively positiveexperience with Phantom X
outside of the first week.
First week guys don't even ifyou pull him, you're like, yo,
I'm excited, but don't evenbother.
Like just put him away.
Play Maverick because Fantom Xis gonna feel awful for the

(41:58):
first week'cause everyone intheir grandmother is gonna play
Luke Cage.
And I mean that's consistentwith every card that's ever been
released in Marvel Snap.
That's a toxic card because likea Diamondback looked weird first
week and I'm like, yo, thiscard's amazing.
People are like, oh no, no, itkind of feels crap.
Well of course it feels crap'cause everyone's playing Luke
Cage to the point that you haveto play rogue in your decks or
else you're cooked.
But then they just play LukeCage on turn six anyways'cause

(42:20):
he's still just two damn cheapand is a board wide effect.
I don't, I'm not sure if LukeCage is a problem or not, but I
think he's getting close to it.
Yes.
But I do think that this card isreally good and it has a
tremendous amount of power.
Is it gonna kind of takeaffliction to the next level
though?
I think affliction is alreadyreally good.
I think that like toxic isalready really good.
Do you need another piece to it?

(42:40):
Right.
Does this replace the maliki ofthat archetype?

Oh, I haven't even thought of it as an
affliction card.
So you're thinking of mixing itwith like Ajax and Diamondback
stuff?

Alex (42:52):
Yeah.
And I'm trying to figure outhow.
Right.
'cause you have to destroy anddiscard something.
So it's kind of tricky, but Ithink it's entirely possible.

Alright.

Alex (43:01):
Um, but I'm not sure how, I haven't made this deck yet.
Full disclosure, that's,

that's asking for a lot of moving parts.
That's it.
I don't think the get onedestroy and get one discard.
I don't think that's too hard.
Like you can just play a bladeor a gambit on the last turn.
You can have black cat in yourdeck and let her discard
herself.
Like there's ways that you canget one easy discard and then be
a destroyed deck after that.
Um.

(43:27):
I don't know.
I don't know if you're gonnapull off making a flick to
destroy deck.

Alex (43:31):
It's true.
I just had this idea, I'm likemaybe I get it out there.
'cause even something small,like, you know, like, obviously
I don't think this is an Ajaxcard, but like, something like
Diamondback might be able tosneak into a deck like this,
right?
Like even if only two cards areimpacted, like Diamondback still
munches on this and it's, yeah.
Diamondback I could

see,

Alex (43:48):
right?
'cause you play Diamondback onthree, it's an ongoing cart, so
it doesn't really care.
Phantom X on four.
Modoc your hand.
I don't know.
I gotta, I gotta figure it out,right?
I gotta still figure it out, butuh, but I think it's actually a
really cool cart.
I think the condition is kind offascinating.
What I'm describing I think isprobably a couple too many
hoops, but I think that PhantomX is gonna start to make more

(44:10):
sense once we start talkingabout, like, I'm just gonna, I
don't wanna jump ahead too far,but like wild child for
instance, right?
Yeah.
Which is gonna want to kind ofdouble dip in this effect.
It's exactly what you discussed.
It's entirely possible that withPhantom X and some of the cards
we're gonna speak about, wemight have a whole new archetype
of Marvel Snap born, like thisdestroy, discard hybrid, which

(44:30):
right now doesn't seem like it'sparticularly playable, but now
we're getting some pieces inparticular Phantom X, which
honestly as a four, six, I mean,you're the math person.
Four, six, and then there'swhat, so there's three
locations.
Two, so locations four, sothat's 12 extra power.
4 18, 5 6.
It's huge.
Yeah, that's like crazy.
It's crazy amounts of power.

(44:50):
Right?
Thank you for doing the math forme there.
But yeah, so for me, I can seePhantom X being like a 4.5.
I can see this being like a,like an archetype defining card
that's gonna take some cookingand some brewing.
But I'm actually excited forthis one here and I'm excited
for the puzzle.
It's going to bring it, it's aDecember 30th card guys.
I don't have a deck preparedright now.

(45:11):
The other ones I have morefigured out.
I figured I needed more time forthis one here.
Um, and also there's a goodchance they actually OTA or
patch some things to support ittoo.
We've seen that before wherelike they have a card late in
the season and then like an OTAbefore they're like, wow, they
just positioned this card tohelp you know it a little bit.
So we'll have to see where itgoes.
But what are you thinking starrating Lauren?

I mean, I'm getting tired of saying the same
thing where it's like, it's afour, it's strong in its
archetype, but it's not a greatarchetype.
I'm with you that Luke Cageisn't a problem at all.
MMRs.
So maybe this is, maybe he'sirrelevant for the casual player
story.
I, I do really think they needto figure out how to solve the
loot cage problem.
It is, it's too strong for howmany cards can do affliction now

(45:55):
to be just a three cost that isrelatively free to throw into a
deck.
Yeah.
I think, I think a four.
He is abso, he plus wild childwho will talk about in a little
bit are like, they're thelinchpins of this discard,
destroy new archetype.
Every single one of those decksis gonna use both of these
cards.

Alex (46:13):
Yeah, for sure.
And I like how you're pretendinglike you haven't thrown some
spice.
Don't forget you gave chamber aone.
So you're throwing some spiceout here.
So I think it's okay that youstick around with the fours,
even though since that you'vejust given fours the whole time.
We did start with a threethough, with uh, weapon X.
But yes, it's very consistent onthe four pattern.
But honestly I think that'sprobably by design.
I bet you like the team's like,well we don't wanna break the
game, but we don't wanna releasegarbage either.

(46:35):
They have to be good.
And I bet you they read likefours.
I bet you that's their target.
They're targeting the four starcard.
Right.
If it hits a five, it might betoo much.
If it hits a two, they under,they underpowered it.
Right.
So I think nobody buys it.
Probably targeting four.
Yeah, exactly.
And that is gonna take us to ournext topic of conversation,
which is the series four cards.
Wade Wilson is next up and he isa series four card and he reads

(46:58):
two, two when destroyed.
Replace this with a one costcard from your hand or deck with
plus one power.
I should also mention this iscoming in Grand Arena, so you
should be able to get this forfree.
That's cool.
I like free cards.
You should like free cards too.
Lauren, I'll give you the floorhere.
I don't wanna say anything toofar'cause I feel like I often

(47:19):
like cue your response a littlebit.
I don't wanna tell you right offthe rip.
I haven't, this card's kind ofpoo, but yeah, I think this card
might be kind of poo.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sold on this one here.
So if you're sold, I want you tosell me.

I'm sorry, I don't, I do not like this card.
Okay, so we're on the same

Alex (47:35):
page.
I've

heard, yeah, I've heard a few people be high on it
and it does some things thatlook good on paper, right?
Like deck thinning.
Very good.
Play a card for free that savesyou an energy.
Plus it's, you know, it's a twothree.
Once it's done its thing that'slike, that's average.
But what are you cutting fromyour deck?
This is not better thanWolverine.
This is, you know, by the timeyou get him out and destroyed.

(47:58):
He's pulling Deadpool.
Right.
That that's what he's supposedto be.
Right?
Like Wade Wilson is Deadpool'sidentity.
He's a Deadpool tutor.
He pulls Deadpool outta yourdeck.
That's

Alex (48:06):
massive spoiler territory right there.
Yeah.

Um, that's what they want you to think of this
card.
But Destroy lately has beenrunning so many ones.
So it's like, are you buildingan old school Deadpool deck
where he's one of the only ones?
Um, I don't know.
I just, I really don't see itwith this card.
He seems too slow to me.

Alex (48:24):
Oh, a hundred percent.
He does, like we're talkingabout Weapon X, which is a
better card than Wade Wilson is.
Without question, weapon X is abetter card than Wade Wilson.
And we're talking about whetheror not Wade Weapon X can make
those decks work.
I don't think this card evermakes the shells as they exist
because like you'd have to cutMoyer acts.
You don't wanna bring Moyer backplus one to destroy it.
Like who cares what, yes, if youpull it from the deck, whatever.

(48:45):
But like, I don't know if Ilove, and this sounds crazy
'cause I know like it took along time to get Angel to the
point where it did this, but Idon't know if I the hand or the
deck side of it.
'cause it's like, I'd ratherjust.
Get the deck thin.
But like at the same time, it'slike if you draw all your ones,
then it's doing nothing.
I'm not sure if I want tocompeting with what's in my

(49:06):
hand, but with that being said,it is coming down on two,
probably destroyed on three orfour or whatever.
You're probably playing the onedrops from your hand, right?
If you're holding a moer, right,you play your Moyer.
If you're holding Deadpool, youplay your Deadpool.
Or conversely, if you're holdingDeadpool, you play your head
pool, play Wade Wilson, and thenyou destroy it and hope that you
pull, right?
Like you can kind of control itto some degree, which I think is

(49:28):
good.
That's a lot of steps.
Yeah.
And is that simply better thanjust destroying Deadpool early?
Just get it, carnage it on turntwo.
Right?
Is that just simply better?

Yes, I do.
And that's exactly how I feel.
It is just like he, because heis targeting one costs, it is
fairly manipulable.
You can manipulatable.
I'm not sure how that wordworks.
Anyway, I.
Pretty easy to make sure thathe's pulling from your deck if
limit the ones that are in yourhand.
The other thing you could do isif you destroy Deadpool and then

(50:00):
him on the same turn, Deadpoolgoes back to your hand and then
he pulls Deadpool right backout.
So like that's something, butlike that's asking for a lot of
really careful sequencing andall that for a cart that I just,
just doesn't seem like it'sworth the squeeze.

Alex (50:16):
The thing that gives me pause was that head pool, which
looks good.
I didn't think that head poolwas gonna be as good as it was.
Head pool was really good.
And also because it, like theway it came back to your hand,
the bus and stuff like that.
But like head pool was a verylegitimate power infusion into
dis destroy.
Moira was not necessarily apower infusion, but I think a

(50:37):
Snap equity in infusion ofpower.
'cause like, oh, you doubleddeath, that's easy.
Snaps all day long.
Right.
With Wade Wilson, I just don'tsee it.
You are right though.
When you sequence them and thenthe, the, you destroy them'cause
you play, uh, Deadpool on oneWade Wilson two, you carnage it
or whatever, or you death lockit the way it'll go.
Deadpool will go back, getpulled back down and then you
can just kind of do the thingagain.

(50:58):
That is, it is good.
It is worth something.
But you're talking about drawingthe cards in the right order,
sequencing them.
Right.
It's like do the stars have toalign a little too much for Wade
Wilson to be worth it?
It does not stand alone from apower per uh, perspective.
And I don't think it competeswith weapon XI think Weapon X is
strictly a better card.
So is it fitting that this isthe free card of, of one of the

(51:19):
free cards of the month?
Probably.
I don't know if they felt likewe probably can't sell this
card, which is also unfortunatefor Wade Wilson.
He probably could have used alittle bit of love there.
But, uh, yeah, I'm on the lowend.
I'm giving this a two starrating.

It's a two for me.
Also, I think it's playable,like you're not throwing if it's
in your deck, but it's kind ofjust bad.

Alex (51:40):
Honestly.
I like playing cards that looklike I'm throwing, you know what
I mean?
I, that's, uh, yeah, keep myopponents on their toes a little
bit.
Um, Snap, Snap equity.
Yeah, I've been trying to playmore, um, uh, snow guard.
I'm just like, I like snow guardand like the, it's just, I'm
like, nevermind, this cardsucks, but I want to like snow
guard.
But like, you know, a little bitof coping hadn't hurt nobody.
The next card we're gonna togglehere is going to be a series

(52:02):
four.
This is gonna be a CS fourtraditional release on December
18th in the Snap packs.
This is Morrow.
Morrow is a two three that readswhen discarded or destroyed,
randomly split negative sixpower among enemy cards.
Starting to see the affliction,shell destroy affliction.
Look, another piece there.
I I am just throwing it outthere.

(52:23):
What do you think about Morrow?

Well, I mean, you're right that she justifies
putting diamond back in thatdeck.
If you're, if you're gonna dothis in and phantom X I don't
think you destroy her ever.
That's not the right thing to dowith her.
Maybe in a pinch in the hybriddeck, if she's the only thing
you can destroy, you're like,okay, fine.
Um, but discard, it's like,that's decent.
It's comparable to proximalmidnight, right?

(52:46):
You discard it.
And she's a free seven, andMarrow is a free six if you
discard her.
Um.
She's playable, but like, Idon't know, seems, seems, uh,
not big enough.
Also

Alex (53:03):
seems like a two for me.
That's kind of where I'm at.
I'm at a two star as well.
It just doesn't inspire muchconfidence.
It's the weaker of these like,kind of like multifaceted cards
we're getting this season.
I think there are clear bangersand clear kind of, uh, I don't
wanna say losers'cause it's nota loser.
It's still kind of cool.
I like the design and I likethis hybrid style card, but it

(53:26):
feels like it's just not quiteenough.
And at first I was thinkingabout how like, it's randomly
split, which means that like,like hazmat is nice.
'cause if you're playing Ajax,it just blanket hits everything,
right?
This is randomly split, so youcan't guarantee it's gonna hit
everything however.
It will, based on what I readhere, if there's only one card,
it's gonna hit that one card sixtimes.

(53:46):
No,

I agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Alex (53:47):
Right.
So that's also good.
It gives you a little bit ofversatility there.
It almost reminds me of theoriginal, um, the thing, the
evil version of the thing whereyou could play it in a solo
lane, one-on-one and it wouldjust triple hit the card in
front of it and now it only hitsone card each time.
Which, I mean, I know I'm theonly one playing Evo the thing
right now, but I'm just sayingthat was a change that happened
and this feels, uh, kind ofsimilar to that.

(54:09):
Um, star rating wise, as I said,I'm a at a two.
I'm not that excited aboutMorrow.
Where are you at Star rating?

It's funny'cause I would've been a two, but now
I'm thinking about this destroy,discard, a flick type or deck
that you have put out there.
And I'm like, um, she goesthere.
Or previously I didn't think shewent into anything.

Alex (54:28):
So yeah, she's got something going for her, I
guess.

Right.
It's how real can that deckpossibly be?
A triple hybrid deck?
Yeah.
I think I gotta go to still,even if she does end up having a
home somewhere.

Alex (54:39):
Okay.
That's good.
I, I like how we're speedrunning, just agreeing with each
other on some of these cardshere.
Um, the next one is fastballspecial.
This is a skill, once again, theart is not very indicative of it
being a skill, but this is askill.
It's a two cost skill and itreads on reveal.
Destroy your highest power cardhere to afflict an enemy card
here with that much negativepower.

(55:02):
Bit wordy sounds a little bitlike a magic card.
Some of the weighted words, hereare the words here, so double
dipping on that there.
Fastball special.
Lauren, what do you think?

This card has such good top down design, which
is like the theme first, right?
If you know from the comics orthe cartoons, it's colossus
throwing wolverine at an enemyand it's like that's what's
happening here.
You are destroying your highestpower card to injure the enemy's
card.
It's so thematic.
I kind of wish this was one ofthe first standalone skills we

(55:33):
ever got because it really tellsyou like what a skill card is.
I love it.
I think, I'm sure it's strong.
I wonder how strong, because itcan only destroy one card.
Whereas decks that are runninglike carnage, venom, def lock,
they want to destroy every cardat the location.
But maybe targeting the highestpower is a good thing to do, you

(55:56):
know, then you start thinkingabout pairing this with, with
revival or, or maybe you're,maybe this is another way to hit
Nimrod.
I just, there's no way that atwo cost destroy card isn't.
A two cost card that can do adestroy, there's no way.
That's not a good card.

Alex (56:11):
Yeah.
So I'm leaning in the four range'cause I do think this is a good
card.
It's also worth noting this isgoing to be in Team Clash from
my understanding, which isprobably gonna be a topic for
another day, but a new type ofgame mode that's kind of
exciting.
I can reveal that.
Right?
That's public knowledge.

Uh, it's in the data mines.

Alex (56:27):
So yeah, I think that this will be really good in Nimrod
for sure.
I think it does exactly whatNimrod wants to do.
Destroy propagates the nimrodsdoes it for super cheap too.
It's another card that afflicts.
You got more affliction here,right?
So the Diamondback, it's true.
Comes up randomly once again,right?
Those pieces are just comingtogether.
This, it's her season, it's herse it's Diamondbacks.

(56:47):
You thought it was like aseasonable wolverine?
No, it's seasonable Diamondback.
But like, I, I, for me this islike, it's Nimrod.
I wanna play this in Nimrod.
I wanna see what this can do.
I like the fact that it kind ofdouble dips on the effect.
I still would like to see aNimrod version of this running.
And again, I'm gonna bring it upagain.
Zombie Captain Marvel.
That's one of those cards, whichI feel like is probably

(57:08):
underappreciated, but probablyfor good reason too.
'cause it's so slow.
But once we have a little moretools and the way you can kind
of, if a card like this is sofast that I think it might be
able to make up for how slowsomething like a zombie Captain
Marvel is where you can chainthe activate together with this
on reveal to make some magichappen.
But, uh, at the end of the day,I do think this is a

(57:29):
fantastically thematic card.
I think it's a fun one.
What was your star rating?
I don't think you said it outloud.

I haven't yet.
I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna goahead and give out my, my one
five to fastball special.
I do worry about it not being amass destroyer, but like, I
just, I feel so confident it'sgonna have a home.
There are tons of cards that youare happy to destroy.
There's cool things you can dowith this card.

Alex (57:51):
No doubt.
Cool.
So what takes this from like afour to a five for you?
Like what's the thing that likeelevates it to the next level?

Um, the biggest thing is it's a two cost, right?
Like, that's something thatyou're just in short supply of,
in a destroy deck.
You can do Kid Omega we didn'ttalk about before, but I think
is actually fantastic with thatEman infusion.

Alex (58:08):
We don't like to bring our kid, kid Omega around here.

Yeah, right.
Those

Alex (58:11):
were dark times.

Uh, so carnage then is the only way in the
entire game, the only way todestroy a card with a two cost.
Yeah.
Getting another one of those is,is huge.

Alex (58:23):
So when you compare this year fastball special to
Adamantium Infusion, do youthink there's like a, like the
cost discrepancy is massive.
It's literally half the cost.
And with Adamantium Infusion weare both like, this is gonna be
good.
And you gave it a 4.5 range, yousaid like you like it like upper
fours.
Yeah.
So how do you think theycompare?
So one of them is a superpremium season pass card.

(58:43):
One of them is potentially, Ithink it's gonna be a free card.
I'm not sure.
We, we still don't quite knowhow it's gonna be distributed in
the new game mode, but it'sentirely possible you're able to
like accumulate points or get itsomehow.
I'm assuming fastball specialmight be theoretically free.
At the very least we know it's ac uh, series four, so it's way
cheaper.
How do you compare the two Atmanteam Infusion and Fastball

(59:03):
special?
Why would you take Fastballspecial over Atman team
infusion?

You could play them both, um, in the same deck
even.
It's true, but I, yeah, I justthink fastball special seems
more.
Flexible and there'll be moredestroyed eggs that want an
extra destroy than there aredestroyed eggs that want a
revival.
You know, reviving is, is a twostep process in fact.
And destroying is, is just one.

(59:28):
And there are plenty of cardsthat like being destroyed.
Um, and you get the afflictionslike you're not even that upset
about the thing being destroyed.
And if it's, if it's Wolverine,the, very good synergy with
Wolverine, you do the damage andthen your wolverine comes right
back.
Like I just, I feel confidentthat this card is going to to be
good and you know, maybe they'recomfortable putting it, putting

(59:50):
a good free card there becausethey want people playing their
brand new mode.

Alex (59:55):
They probably do want people playing their brand new
mode.
I would imagine that being thecase, I was just thinking to
myself like you could alsoliterally on turn six play the
both, which is kind of funny.
Yeah.
I'm not sure which cards wantedand nasty.
Yeah, maybe.
But like, I'm not sure.
Like what, what do you want todestroy them?
Bring right back like you'resure Nimrod.
Okay,

LaurenWhatevs (01:00:13):
yeah, sure.
And then you're gonna fast allspecial to do 12 affliction
power and create two morenimrods over there.
And then at Amanti Infusion canput down a 24 power Nimrod
anywhere you want.

Alex (01:00:24):
And then you activate zombie Captain Marvel and get
even more of them.
Boom, we did it.
We're cooking fastball special.
Look forward to it'cause it'sgonna absolutely dominate.
The last card we need to talkabout today is The Wild Child,
also part of the new game mode.
Team Clash series four.

(01:00:45):
It reads well.
It is a two, one that readsongoing plus four power if
you've discarded a card plusfour of power, if one of your
cards has been destroyed.
Kind of interesting here.
You can double dip on bothdestroying a card and discarding
a card and you get plus fourpower.

(01:01:05):
Once you've done those, it'salso an ongoing card, which is a
superpower'cause you can hold itin your hand and then slam it
down.
Wild child starts as a, uh, as atwo, one gets upwards of 8, 2 9.
We're getting a lot of cardsthat approach two nine, like we
got a lot of two, almost 10power cards this season.
Lauren, I'll give you the floor.

(01:01:25):
What are your initialimpressions on Wild Child?

Uh, I mean, I already said when we were
talking about Phantom X, thatthese two are definitely going
in every single one of thosehybrid decks.
Question is how good is thathybrid deck?
Right?
And you don't play this in anon-hybrid.
A two five is fine, but it's notgood enough, right?
Like you, you're not puttingthis in a pure destroy deck or a
pure discard deck.
But I, I think it's better thanphantom X maybe.

(01:01:49):
Like, it's obviously not as big,but like a guaranteed two nine
that doesn't have the tempoproblem of having to get it out
in time in order to activate it.
I am like so tempted to give ita five.
I'm just reticent because ofhow, because the hybrid deck, I
really worry about itsreliability, but I think I, no,
we only give out one five perseason, so I'll give it a four.

(01:02:09):
Um, yeah,

Alex (01:02:11):
just you can go 4.5.

Okay.
I'll 4.5.
Yeah, two nine that you drop onthe last turn is just a super
strong thing to do.

Alex (01:02:19):
It is.
It is a really strong card, butI'm concerned about the hoops
you gotta jump through.
And as you've talked about amillion times, we've literally,
the theme of this video hasbeen, is this hybrid deck that
no one knows what it looks likeyet.
Is it actually good?
It seems as though they'retrying to make it good.
It kind of reminds me of likehorde, how like we had horde, we
had Zombie Scarlet Witch comeout, which was underpowered as
it was.
I was convinced that, uh, giantzombie man was gonna be good or

(01:02:42):
zombie giant man, where the heckit's called was gonna be good.
And it got buffed.
The hoard got buffed all acrossthe board and it wasn't until
the end where we got the hungerwhere things really started to
shape up for that deck.
It got buffed, it got thehunger.
Even zombie century was makingthose lists.
For the most part.
It's kind of been cut lately,but like with war Child, I think

(01:03:02):
that we're gonna see over thecourse of a season this
evolution towards like.
Can this deck actually work?
We're gonna get Phantom X first.
I'm not actually a hundredpercent sure of when the
timelines for this new mode isgonna be.
I wonder how long we'll have towait before we get Wild Child
Alongside.
No, no.
We should have Phantom X'causeit's on December 30th.

(01:03:22):
I believe the new mode is aroundlike the holidays.
So we might actually have WildChild First and then we're gonna
get Phantom X.
So to be honest with you, thetiming might work perfectly
where we get Phantom X and thenwe have the tools we need to try
to see if this deck works.
It might actually be true thatway.
I almost positive it is.
We have to double check thedates maybe in a future episode.

(01:03:43):
But I, I believe the intentionwas that Teen Clash was supposed
to be during the holiday season.
Which is cool.
So I agree with you.
I am not as high.
I'm gonna go three just'cause Ifeel like it's a lot of hoops
still.
Two five is still good, but likeif you're playing discard,
you're gonna play mors.
Morbids doesn't get cut here.
You also have the power Zombieman, which is uh, solid and has

(01:04:04):
been pretty good and, anddiscard.
I don't think that could get cutfor this maybe, but it is
already a two four naturally, sothis is one extra power in there
unless you're destroying a card.
I don't think it replaceswolverine and destroy.
I think it's strictly dependenton whether or not that hybrid
deck pops off.
But you can't deny the power.
You really can't.
And as you said before here,ongoing is a superpower because

(01:04:26):
it comes down and it has thatinherent power.
It doesn't have to be on theboard, it doesn't have to be
face up.
It just gives you an option latein the game.
So I can see it overperformingthree stars, but I'm a little
hesitant'cause I think it's alittle too dependent on a deck.
We have too many question marksabout.

Yeah.
The other synergy I see with it,two cost ongoing moonstone
doesn't hate getting an extraplus eight power.
It's true.
It's true.
So, again, that's, if you'replaying a moonstone, you are
slowing down your ability to geta discard and a destroy.
But I really, I think thosehybrid decks are not going to be
doing a ton of destroying and aton of discarding.

(01:05:03):
You're just going to, you'rejust gonna try to get one or two
of each.

Alex (01:05:06):
Could this go in an Aurora Thanos stack?
Because think about it.
You, you could,'cause you could,like, it's ongoing.
You, I mean, what are youdiscarding?
You could destroy Thano stones,but I don't think you're
discarding them.
Like, I don't know what thatplan would look like.

Yeah.
You don't want to be doing disdiscarding or destroying if
you're trying to get bodies onthe board.

Alex (01:05:24):
Hmm.
Nevermind.
That was a bad idea, but youknow, it's a good idea talking
about the Snapchat mailbag.
And if you have questions,definitely let us know down
below.
Throw some questions at us.
So we got, uh, got some mailbagcontent to throw at your way
'cause we do have a question.
It's not really a question, it'smore of a statement and I wanted
to talk about it'cause Iactually found the same thing

(01:05:44):
happening.
Fuzzy Otter Paws, which is agreat name by the way.
Stated speaking of deafeningcord.
I made a deck myself with allskills minus Clia in ancient one
since I don't have them.
And Nicholas scratch along withProfessor X and Werewolf and
Debris and Rhino from Merlin.
I win so many games and is justso fun.
I love that deck.
Now the reason why I bring thisup, Lauren, is because I

(01:06:07):
actually was playing someNicholas scratch last week and I
think that skills have come along way.
And I think that overall they'rebecoming increasingly more
playable.
And I was regularly gettingNicholas scratch to like eight,
nine power because I was playingso many skills and yeah, when
you have the Merlins and stufflike that, like there's a lot of
options.
I'm just kind of thinking aboutmy like whether or not skills

(01:06:29):
have like hit that inflectionpoint where they don't feel like
they're compromising what yourdeck is trying to do.
Like deafening cord I think isan excellent skill.
And now we're getting moreskills.
We're getting two of'em.
Fastball special, which is yourcard of the month, and we have
Adamantium Infusion, which is asuper premium series of pass
card.
So we have two skills which areoccupying very important slots
in a month's release.

(01:06:50):
So I guess my question to you ishow far have skills come and how
much further do you think theycan go?

How much further can they go?
We are.
We are not far away from beingable to make an entire deck of
12 skills.
That deck is going to beterrible, but like that's coming
soon.
I think there are three skillsin January.
They are going to keep giving usthose.
Uh, yeah, the deck is strong.
Uh, Nicholas Scratch is theobvious synergy with skills,

(01:07:18):
right?
It's right there in the text.
But then you have things likezombie, scarlet witch and
Werewolf that have such highsynergy with cards that don't
leave bodies on the board.
Cheap skills are here to stay.
Yeah, forever.
They're always going to be goodbecause of the little things
they can do, even if theirability is not super good.
Just being a cheap card thatdoesn't take up space has

(01:07:42):
natural synergy with other partsof the game,

Alex (01:07:44):
especially in a game like Marvel Snap, where you literally
only have 12 slots, like there'sonly 12 spots on the boards.
You can play, like ask, moveplayers who are dealing with
debris, throwing rocks over andeverything like that, right?
Did that change the debris?
It opened up a lot of optionsfor move players because space
is so vital.
I'm still looking forward tothat, uh, that multiple man
deck, a multiple man zoo stylemove deck.

(01:08:06):
I mean, the only place we seemultiple man is in Phoenix
Forest.
Really.
I would like to see PhoenixForest make a massive comeback.
By the way.
That's one archetype that Iplayed for so long.
I love it so much and it's just,I can't, I kinda feel like it's
fallen outta the zeitgeist.
You know, like people aren'tthinking about Phoenix Force.
You should be thinking aboutPhoenix Force and maybe I'll
cook something, maybe I will,who knows?
But before then, Lauren, thankyou so much for joining us this

(01:08:27):
week.
You've been a tremendous asset.
I think your analysis wasabsolutely incredible and you
continue to do amazing work inthe Marvel Snap community.
And I implore you guys out thereto find Lauren, follow Lauren,
and obviously gotta stay up todate with the new sites you're
working on.
So why don't you let us knowwhere we can find you and what's
coming next.

Yeah, uh, thanks again for having me.
It's such a treat.
You can find me on Twitter orBlue Sky if you want to avoid.
The hell fight.
Lauren Whatevs.
I write every now and then atMarvel Snap Zone.
It's been a while and I don'tknow if I'm going to again.
Um, but I'm still technically, awriter there.
I could, I could create anarticle that is where I will

(01:09:07):
announce on, on Twitter or, orBlue Sky is where I will
announce when fourth location islive and ready to go.
And then after that you can justgo to fourth location.com.
Uh, and then finally my podcastis on YouTube or on all the pod
catchers as Snap on this.
And just we have a good time.
We, uh, the first half of theshow is kind of serious Snap
talk where we do things likerating cards and then the back

(01:09:28):
half of the show we have secrethomework every episode, which is
just challenges that we give toeach other.

Alex (01:09:33):
That's awesome.
Absolutely.
And I'll leave, uh, links indescription down below for
everything, so be sure to checkthem out.
And again, Lauren, thank you somuch for joining us, and thank
you guys for joining us.
We'll see you on the next one.

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