Bastion's Potential Unlocked | Marvel Snap: Too Many Cards? | The Snap Chat Ep. 148

Will Bastion revolutionize Marvel Snap? Is the game releasing too many cards? Join Alexander Coccia and special guest ReZ Snapper as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Episode Transcript

Alex (00:00):
Hey everyone and welcome to the next edition of the
Snapchat.
I'm joined today by a veryspecial guest, someone who I've
been looking forward to havingon the podcast for the longest
time, long time supporter of thecontent, long time content
creator in Marvel Snap, and oneof the funniest guys in the
scene Res snapper Res, my man.
It is so good to have you on thepodcast.
Cozy is on assignment this weekand we got res stepping on up.

(00:23):
How are you my man?

Rez (00:24):
I am very, very well.
Thank you very much for havingme.
This is honestly, such an honorto be here.
Yeah, you, you guys have been a,a really big part of my life of
enjoyment, of enjoying marbleSnap alike listening to you guys
even on holiday and stuff, anduh, yeah, it's very surreal to
be here, but I'm very happy tobe here.

Alex (00:42):
Well, we're happy to have you as well.
And, uh, you know, you're one ofthe guys that I think that, uh,
I have thoroughly enjoyed thecontent you've been making.
Not only is this superinformative, I think your
formats are very good and if youguys are unfamiliar with Res,
I'm gonna be leaving linkseverywhere, whether it's in
description, in the pincomments, you're gonna find it.
You gotta check'em out.
And uh, dude, I think yourcontent's fantastic, but like,
you have like that X factor thatI think makes YouTubers great,

(01:05):
where it's like you have thatentertainment factor, like, you
know, you're doing a bigbreakdown, then all of a sudden
you cut, you're like walkingthrough the city and it's like,
you know, you're like, I forgotabout this one thing.
And like, you've done that somany times, right?
And I think that's so funny tome and it creates a lot of
personality and I think you,like you ooze personality and I
think that that is like one ofthe major secret sauces.
On YouTube.
And so, uh, I I'm just excitedto have you buddy'cause I think

(01:27):
you're by far one of the mosttalented Snap creators out
there.
And I think that, uh, we gottapump this guy's subscriber
number'cause he absolutelydeserves it.

Rez (01:36):
I dunno what to say that, that is so kind of you to say
all that.
Thank you so much.
And, and I actually want to saygenuinely the personality side
of things.
You honestly inspired me to bemore like myself on the channel.
Like I did, I started my channelto just like when they announced
Marvel Snap basically.
And I was like, oh, I'm gonnaget my foot in the door as soon

(01:56):
as it launches.
And then the beater didn't cometo the UK so I was like, ah.
Um, so I actually like coldturkeyed watching content and,
'cause I just wanted to sort oflearn the game and experience it
when it launched in the uk.
And so like I started makingsome videos, but I was like, I
was hiding my personality quitea bit.
Uh, and then I, I was watchingyou discover, discovered you
and, and CO's content as well,and watching you guys and the

(02:19):
Snapchat.
And I was like, I wonder howmuch of my weird personality I
can fit into these videos.
And so I started teasing it alittle bit.
Uh, and then drew Bre, who usedto do Snap or pass, uh, he
stopped making content.
And I, I was super cheeky to behonest, because I had never
really spoken to him before.
Absolutely loved his videoseries.

(02:41):
And straight away, when heannounced he was leaving, I was
like, someone has to take thisover this format and the visuals
and everything like that.
Someone has to do this.
And I was like, I'm just gonnaask if he minds if I, if, if he
minds if I do it.
And he was such a gentleman, hesaid that I could take over.
Uh, and then yeah, as, as, as Isaid, you, you've inspired me to
sort of.

(03:02):
Peel back the layers and startbeing more myself.
So I'm, yeah I have you to thankfor that as well.
Well,

Alex (03:07):
that's fantastic.
I, I sincerely appreciate that.
And, uh, it's funny you bring upDrew Barry, fellow Canadian, by
the way.
Uh, drew Barry a little morenorth than me.
Uh, however I remember thatbecause on Drew Barry's like,
I'm leaving video, he actuallymentioned that the Snapper Pass
series is going to continuebecause Res Snapper had reached
out and said he'd like tocontinue it, which is wild,
right?
Like, it's so funny, even in hiskind of, uh, his closing video

(03:28):
there, he did mention that, uh,you had reached out and you guys
had conversed about it.
It was a, it is a great formatoverall.
And it's also, those formats aredifficult too.
It's kind of like what we'redoing here.
Like, previewing things is sohard.
Like it's so hard to previewthings in a vacuum because
sometimes when you get the cardin your hand, like you see a
whole other side to it, right?
It's near, it's like sodifficult.
Actually on that note, youobviously listen.

(03:50):
You are, I think, our firstfriend from the uk.
Do you want to give the crew andthe fans here a little bit of a
breakdown of like who you are,where you're from?
Because uh, I mean there's a lotof people saying that accent
doesn't sound American.
Yeah,

Rez (04:02):
that's right.
So, yeah, I'm from the uk.
I'm from, uh, I'm actuallyoriginally from a place called
Bogner Regis, which is, that isthe, a real name of a place, and
that's where I'm from.
I live in a, a town calledElsbury now, which is about an
hour outside of London.
Um, my content creation journeystarted in like 2006.
That's when I started YouTube.

(04:23):
Some channels that have longsince been deleted due to some
copyright strikes.
Um, but, uh, yeah, they werefun.
But, um, yeah, then, uh, my mainsuccess actually was from a
channel called Food Review uk.
Um, and that, that was whatreally I started loving creating
YouTube from that point.
And it, it was such a crazystory the way that channel, it's

(04:44):
not that crazy, but I'll tell itanyway.
So I was walking in thesupermarket and I saw a Skittles
milkshake on the shelf and I waslike, oh, that sounds really
weird.
I wonder if that's any good.
So I grabbed the bottle, openedYouTube search skills milkshake.
No results.
I was like, oh, there wasresults, but there wasn't like a
review of the, of this product.
And I was like, that's weird.

(05:05):
I was like, it's weird that themain food review channel in the
UK hasn't reviewed it.
So I searched Food Review UK andI was like, uh, and it was like,
no results again.
I was like, there is a, a like asnack review channel in the uk.
So I went home, made a logo,filmed a review, and then that
was it.
And so, yeah, that, that channelgot quite successful.
Not many people watch it now,but I still enjoy making content

(05:27):
on it.
And yet I've just loved makingvideos since then.
So Marvel Snap I'd always wanteda digital Marvel card game.
Like if you look a little bitaround my room, you'll see a lot
of Marvel stuff.
Like I'm a huge Marvel fan, hugecard game fan.
So when, when it was announced,I was just like, oh, this is,
yeah I, I can't not make contentfor this'cause I'm so passionate
about doing those things.

Alex (05:48):
That's awesome.
And I will say, is that on yourfood review channel, which I'll
link as well.
You guys got check it out.
Uh, you reviewed chicken balls.
Yeah.
It's so

Rez (05:56):
funny, I was in, I think I was in your stream the other
day, right?
And I was like, I'm, I was like,I'm gonna review them.
But because I set out thatchannel in like 2013, uh,
there's like 5,000 videos orsomething.
There is so many things thatI've forgotten I'd done.
And I had a look on there'causeI was like, I did actually do a
Chinese takeaway series.
I found the review.
I was like, oh, I've alreadydone them.
But yeah, chicken bulls totallya thing.

(06:18):
Like they are totally real.
In fact, one step further thanthat, in the UK I would say
they're probably the mostpopular item that people get
from the Chinese takeaway inthe, I dunno how similar your
version is, but in the UKthey're basically chunks of
chicken breast covered in a verythick batter, which means the
batter towards the inside isvery fluffy and almost like a,

(06:41):
almost like a pancake.
And then the exterior is very,very crispy.
And then you get a separate potof sweet and sour sauce, which
depending on.
The type of restaurant you'regoing to will either be like
brown or even like fluorescentneon orange, usually like that.

Alex (06:57):
I know it's, dude, that's exactly my experience as well.
We get like the fluorescent,like orange red ones and uh,
they're all like, my kids lovechicken balls, man.
And when I said that, peoplewere like, bro, what's this guy
talking about?
And admittedly, as I mentionedlast week, I actually had the
privilege of having dinner, uh,with the development team from
China and they actually watchedthe podcast and they're like,
what were these chicken ballsyou guys were talking about?

(07:18):
We need, I showed them apicture.
They're like, yeah that's notChinese food.
Like that.
You guys made that up.
Like that's not on us.
But uh, on

Rez (07:25):
That's so good.
They're brilliant.

Alex (07:27):
Yeah, it is.
But uh, dude, we got a lot totalk about today and uh, I want
to tap into some of yourknowledge, your previewing
skills of cards.
'cause we have a card.
That's coming out this week, andit is Bastion.
Bastion is coming out this week.
It is a four three that reads onreveal.
Add copies of your other cardshere to your hand.
Set their cost to two and theirpowers to three res.

(07:50):
I'll give you the floor here.
What are your, what's yourgeneral Star rating here on
Bastion for, uh, for everyoneelse?
Cozy and I, in our preview, Igave Bastion a three to
potentially a 3.5 Cozy came inat four stars.
We do a one to five star ratinghere.
So Res, I'll put you on thefloor here.
What do you think about Bastion?

Rez (08:10):
I think he is absolutely awesome.
In fact, I think he's so goodthat I've been getting heat on
my channel.
People are saying that I'mcoping and stuff.
I think I gave him five stars.
Um, actually love him.
I think there's huge potentialfor him.
I think the kinds of things thatyou can do with him, I don't
think they're even thatdissimilar from like Moira X,

(08:31):
which obviously we'll get ontoMoira X later, but.
I've been having a lot of funwith her as a spoiler preview
for later.
But yeah, and just the more Iwas thinking about it, all these
kinds of cards were coming tomind that work well with him.
Like I was thinking aboutongoing stuff, maybe like an
antman or even like someanti-venom stuff.
Like you play anti-Venom iv, uh,you get your zero costed card on

(08:55):
five, play that alongsidewhatever else you've played in
the Bain location, and thenyou're like double dipping on
potentially a very powerfulcard.
So there's that sort of stufflike Discard might like him
with, even if you, again, don'tplay him a little bit off curve,
like a Dracula could be reallystrong bullseye Victoria hand
and just the more I wasthinking, so many synergies.

(09:16):
So I really like him.

Alex (09:19):
That's fair.
I mean, the superpower isprobably making something that's
like a forecast.
Like a two point, a two and athree.
Like it's wild how muchversatility you can guys, like
in the case of Dracula, like yousaid, you play Dracula in turn
four, you bastion turn five.
Right now it's a two cost.
And are you able to drop yourhand?

(09:39):
Like is there an opportunity foryou to, you won't be able to
modoc at that point, but couldyou play the two three with like
a Corvus?
Is that enough to clean up yourhand and just hit apocalypse or
whatever?
If you've been discarding prettyconsistently we also have the
Redshift now who's in it?
So maybe you can start to targetcards more effectively.
You know, you're hitting thingswith Sword Master and you're
hitting things with Redshift.

(10:00):
You're hitting things with, youknow, I mean you got this
opportunity to actually chunkaway at your hand to set up
those types of plays.
Right.
Could be potentiallyfascinating.
Where I am seeing a lot ofpotential as well, which I think
is the place where a lot ofpeople are gonna go with it, is
going to be C3.
C3 has already seen a bit of aresurgence thanks to Omega
Sentinel, who we'll talk aboutlater.
But Omega Sentinel added a biginfusion of interest into C3 and

(10:24):
Bastion very naturally and evenon curve can be played in that
archetype, which is likely to beextremely beneficial for that
archetype as a whole.
Because right now we see a tonof C two so res, do you think
that C3 could potentially seemore play with the inclusion of
Bastion?

Rez (10:40):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I think it's actually one of themain ones that I, I also didn't
mention, but um, yeah, the, it,I really like the almost kind of
insurance that it gives you aswell.
'cause often with C3, obviouslyyou are playing your cerebral on
the final turn most oftenanyway.
Partly from avoiding it frombeing comfortable or you try and
drop priority as much aspossible.

(11:01):
Partly from just leaving thatquestion open for your opponent
as to whether you've even drawnit.
But this, at least it gives youthe ability to double dip and
that extra insurance if it doesget disrupted.
So I really like those elements.
And also the fact that it thenbecomes a two cost card and also
gets its power set to three aswell.
So it's basically ticking allthe boxes that you would wanna

(11:21):
do with Cerebro.
So I think, I think this couldmake cerebral three go
absolutely neonic not.
The card megas, so as in itcould get really good.
But Al also Mega Sentinel hasbeen brilliant for it this week
as well.
So, yeah, cerebral players areeating good.

Alex (11:37):
I felt like for the last little while, a major effort
from the Marvel Snap team hasbeen to try to make more
archetypes of viable, and I, Iactually appreciate that, like
when I'm on the ladder, whichhonestly I don't, I.
I, you probably share thesentiment.
I think everyone does.
One of the most common commentsI'm getting lately has been the
grind towards infinite.
The grinding on the ladder hasbeen far worse this season.

(11:57):
They've definitely amped up thebots, like there's no question
about it.
And even when I was looking atlike UNT tap based stats pre
infinite, everything, the statsare way down, like way down
compared to what they used to belike.
It was very regular that wewould have like that first week
just sorting by cube rate.
You'd have multiple decks withlike hundreds of games played in
the like one and plus cuberates.

(12:20):
This week there was only asingle one and the rest were
like literally point, two tenthsof a cube down lower than they
were two months ago.
And we even saw a little bit ofthat last month.
And so as a result, I think thatlike.
What you're seeing is not onlyis the play more competitive and
the grind is more intense, butif you're playing the same decks
over and over again, like peopleare gonna get frustrated and

(12:42):
sick of it.
One of the things that I'venoticed, although the grind in
rank has been significantly moreintense, what you're seeing is a
more variety of decks.
I like the fact that Redshifthas made Agatha a legitimate
deck and now you're even seeingAgatha hella variations and
that's great.
Like, yeah, you, you can have anopinion about hella, but what

(13:02):
I'm trying to say is, is likethat's a deck I'm seeing and
then I see a, you know, Surferdeck.
Then I see a vision Surfer deck,maybe a second time in a row,
but then, then I see somethingelse.
I see some end of turn, which Imean is kind of cringe, but at
the same time, at least I'm notseeing it every game.
There is more diversity intothese archetypes and you can see
a clear effort on seconddinner's part to try to infuse

(13:23):
archetypes that need help withmore power.
I mean, heck, it was.
Cerebral was a meme up until acouple months back, right?
Like, let's be honest, the majorchanges they've made to
cerebral, they, they made him atwo cost, now he's a three cost.
Now he's doing plus three.
And plus three has always been asuperpower in Marvel Snap.
But when you look at Bastion, Ifeel like it is trying to
provide a massive tool for me.

(13:44):
Two major archetypes to see moreoften.
The first is gonna be C3, we seeC two, we don't see C3.
And the other is, I thinkVictoria Hand, who is seeing
some testing right now.
Honestly, Victoria hand's notbad and it's always been on the
cusp of being great.
But I guess res what I wanna askis, do you think Bastion could
be a card and one of the missingpieces that the Victoria hand

(14:05):
shells have been looking for?

Rez (14:06):
Oh, definitely.
I think Victoria Hand is, I, Ilove Victoria Hand.
She's actually, she might evenjust be my favorite card in the
game because I've always been ashield player.
I don't.
Typically play like full blownmeta decks.
I usually play a bit off meta.
Uh, I like doing janky stuff.
I like doing weird stuff.
So, being a massive fan ofshield decks, she was very much

(14:28):
like the miss, or certainly atfirst she was a missing link for
them.
I think a traditional shielddeck these days still doesn't
quite feel powerful enough.
You're spending a lot of timeand, and resources actually
getting out the card generatorsand then it is not always the
biggest payoff to have justthose generated cards with
Victoria hand.
But the types of decks thatVictoria Hand is now able to fit

(14:52):
into is brilliant.
I love like the, kind of likethe.
The decks that focus on the hoodstuff and getting loads of
demons.
Uh, I've been having a lot offun with Moira X this week and
being able to duplicate her, uh,and even just with I Mirage has
even come back into the meta aswell, which is really cool to
see.
'cause I, I loved her when shecame out as well.
So yeah.
And, and I really love that itseems like cards are getting a,

(15:14):
like we're getting cards withvery specific, almost niche text
now.
Like Redshift is, is quite aniche card in a way'cause he is
discarding discarding a card andthen generating one as well.
So it can easily fit into sortof like.
Almost like a hybrid shielddiscard deck as well, which kind
of was almost there with a helicarrier sort of style.

(15:35):
So yeah, I really like the waythat card design has gone and
that it is getting more niche,more specific, which ultimately
leads to more archetypes beingable to compete.
Yeah,

Alex (15:46):
that's true.
And that's likely, probablyindicative of the fact they've
released so many cards in thegame now.
And if you're gonna continue torelease 11 cards a season or
whatever, which is a topic forthis podcast later on
eventually, like there's only somany catchall cards.
Like there's only so many twothrees that do plus ones, right?
Like there's only so much designspace for stuff like that.
So I think that part of it isyou have to get more niche,

(16:08):
right?
Yeah.
Um, Marvel Snap's not the typeof game that can do reprints the
way magic gathering does.
Like how many Soul Rings does amagic gathering player have,
right?
Like, you don't really do thathere.
Each card has to stand on itsown, well, at the same time
trying to compete in a 12 cardshell.
So that's one of the designchallenges we have.
Like, there's cards that legitsee no play.
Like there are cards that I canmention to you that you might

(16:29):
forget exist in Marvel Snap,just because they're not able to
make a 12 card list.
So yeah, the niche down.
And with that being said, thoseniches become like.
Increasingly powerful becauselike Redshift for instance, like
Redshift and Agatha was such akey synergy that it elevated
that archetype well beyondwhatever it was capable of.

(16:52):
And it's kind of crazy to thinkabout that because you could
release a card and resurrect anentire archetype with that card.
Yeah.
Um, a good example of this toowas like with Serer, you had
Serer.
It was way too powerful Launch,like Laughably launched like, I
have no idea why it launched theway it did.
And then you had Star Brand comeout to try to give a little bit
of extra love to that.
And Star Brand was fine, but itstill didn't do enough for that

(17:14):
archetype and it took reworkingsour on.
Sauron being reworked and all ofa sudden Star brand was like a
sought after card because,'causeSerer started popping the hell
off.
Right?
So it's pretty interesting tosee how like infusions of power
can happen with cards like this.
It's also worth noting back toBastion.
You can copy things likeVictoria.
You can also copy things likeQuinjet, right?

(17:34):
Mm-hmm.
Quinjet so good.
Yeah, exactly right?
And so you're able to do a lotof stuff and put down a lot of
power fast.
And um, it makes me wonder, likeI tried to do some Mad Thinker
stuff.
Mad Thinker feels like aterrible card.
I wanna throw something outhere.
Anybody that's playing MadThinker.
First of all, if you have a deckthat works, I'd like to see it
commented down below.
But I would like to see perhapsif a good buff to Mad Thinker.
'cause I actually tried,especially with Mo Ax, his car

(17:57):
was awful.
And I think that if it gainedthe power while it was in your
hand, like if it was likeemployer in hand.
Kinda like a Red Hulk orsomething.
It would make more sense ifyou're seeing it, get the plus
two power while you're holdingit in your hand, even with Moira
X type stuff would be cool.
But, uh, I think the bastioncould do really well for the
archetypes.
So you're coming in at fivestars?
That's high.
Yeah, I, I'm like three, 3.5.

Rez (18:18):
Yeah.
I think I like it.
Like I say, I'm, I'm borderlinegetting bullied by my viewers on
it.
Uh, I feel like I've overcookeda bit, but hey, I'm a man of
fault.

Alex (18:27):
Listen, sometimes the, uh, the most fun is, uh, believing
in something when other peoplesdon't believe and then all of a
sudden that card pops off.
And who's the genius?
You're the genius.
Red Snapper called it first.
That Bastion was gonna beinsane.
We're gonna cut to the new cardsthat came out this past week.
Do a quick review of'em there.
And, uh, I think there's somereally important stuff we gotta

(18:50):
talk about because in their ownright, I think all three cards
have been very fascinating.
Let's start with Viv Vision.
Viv Vision is the three two thatreads at the start of each turn.
Give all cards in your hand plusone power if you're winning
here.
Otherwise, move this to anotherlocation res, I'll give it to
you.
What has your experience beenwith, uh, with Viv Vision for

(19:12):
context?
Cozy and I both came in as thiscard being our, our five star of
the month, and I'll give you mythoughts on our ratings after I
give you the floor here.

Rez (19:21):
Yeah, I think that was a very fair decision.
I think she is very good.
Just the ability alone to beable to give all cards in your
hand.
Uh, plus one power multipletimes can be in the right deck.
Like when you see that shoretick up or you know, it hits
that brood and, you know, that'sbasically plus three feels
really powerful.

(19:42):
Really like the ability that shewill move and try and seek out
a, a different location if shecan't win at the one she's at.
That's really cool.
And yeah, it's, again, it's kindof a niche card'cause it's like
mixing like some potential movestuff.
So I've played decks with likehydro stomper and, uh, the, the
synergy of Silk and Bero Berothe Be Yes.

(20:05):
Yeah.
That I, I love that like,'causehe'll kind of follow her, which
reinforces that you're gonna winthat location.
So that feels really good.
And yeah, I like, again, I'mjust like a very cop player.
Like, I'll try and cope withlike a weird auto move deck with
like topaz and stuff in.
So, uh, yeah, I've reallyenjoyed her playing her and
actually I've been playingSurfer more than I ever have

(20:25):
before because of this card.
So, yeah, I think she's really,really good.

Alex (20:29):
This card has definitely slotted into Surfer.
It does not appear to be workingas well in some of the buff
decks as I expected it to behonest with you.
Uh, it's been a very clean cardfor Surfer.
Now on aggregate, according tountapped from ranked 70 to a
hundred, right now we're lookingat a win rate of 54.3% positive
cube rate in a popularity of16%.
Those are all good numbers, butthey're not phenomenal numbers

(20:51):
especially.
Well, it's tricky too because asI mentioned prior, the bots are
way more ruthless than they usedto be.
Uh, we still have some throwrobots here and there, but I
think the bots are reallybringing in the numbers quite a
bit.
'cause we used to have seasonpass cards running 58% win
rates, 59% win rates in thatfirst week.
And it wasn't until we got thepurely infinite stats that we
had a better indication of howthey were playing on aggregate.

(21:14):
Now you're looking at therevision running a 54% win rate
bot stats included, but like.
The card has been good and it'shad popoff potential, but it has
not seemed nearly as powerful asI expected it to.
To me, I feel like I was off atfive stars.
It feels like a solid four starcard, don't get me wrong.
But five stars often reservedfor those cars that really knock

(21:36):
it out of the park.
And I was expecting biggerthings.
It was maybe prudent to them togo from a three three to a three
two, but at the same time, Iwonder if they, I don't wanna
say they buff this car.
'cause it does.
I don't think it needs a buff,but I wonder how, how meta
relevant it's going to remain.
Because what you're banking onright now, you're banking on
Surfer decks that as a wholehave been very good Surfer decks

(21:59):
that have an, that they had beenreceiving infusions of power
specifically with like.
You have the, um, the humantorch First Steps, which is a
great Silver Surfer card thatcan get well over 10 power
easily.
And then you have Viv Visionpumping Sebastian Shaw, your
pumping brood, your pumpingCaptain Carter, like everything
in that deck wants it.

(22:19):
However, in my experimentationwith the Buff decks, like with
you, when you have the Mr.
Sinisters and you have broods,like that stuff works, but she
doesn't quite seem to be as goodthere.
Yeah.
So I'd be interested in yourthoughts.
Do you think that she is gonnastrictly find a home in Surfer
or do you think that as theseason goes on she's gonna
continue being tested in otherarchetypes and, and can perhaps

(22:41):
exceed the Silver Surfer statssomewhere else?

Rez (22:45):
Yeah, I think I agree with you.
Definitely Silver Surfer is, isthe main home for her.
And I, I also have tried her inlike a more traditional buff
deck and they, I think that thething that kind of let her down
a little bit, there was just herraw power being two kind of.
It's kind of low tempo andyou're already in when you are
playing cars like FAOs.
And if you are playing a coer,which I do because I cope a lot

(23:07):
you, you kind of, you need morethan that.
So she's not really, shouldn'tfeel like she's adding that
much.
You're not consistently winningas easily as you are in Silver
Surfer, which can get the wheelsin motion a bit more quickly and
start running away with cards,like, especially with like Red
Guardian and stuff.
So yeah.
Um, I think she definitely feelssurprisingly not broken for a

(23:28):
season pass card.
You usually, like, I'm surprisedthey knocked her power uh, a
piece of power, one point ofpower off of her before she
launched.
So yeah.
But, but I do still think she'sreally good.
And so any card that is as goodas this, that even if.
You are not necessarily gettinga huge synergistic benefit from

(23:49):
her in different decks.
I think she might still be ableto be good, just because getting
plus one tool cards in your handis generically good, especially
in a deck where you might beplaying all of those cards out.
So you're getting, you'reextracting all of that value
from Has like maybe likesomething like a hand dump deck,
something like that.
Maybe there's an opportunity forher there.

Alex (24:10):
Yeah.
Like basically the idea of likeSebastian Shaw double dipping on
that effect.
Uh, brew, triple dipping on theeffect.
Right.
Um, it definitely goes off andit's, it's, it feels like power
creep on a Kia for the mostpart.
Right.
Oh, rip.
Yeah, I know Candle.
It's kind of crazy.
One thing I'll say though is it,to me it just felt like the
movement side of VI vision hasfelt nearly irrelevant.
Like I have not felt that in mytime with VI Vision, which is

(24:32):
pretty extensive thus far.
It hasn't felt like that movemechanic has really served much
purpose for me.
Yes, you can move to anotherlocation and perhaps contest
that and try to get theadditional power.
It's a nice little addition tothe card, but I'm not convinced
it adds power to the card.
You mentioned Batra, but like, Idon't think this actually plays
in a move Shell, right?

(24:52):
Uh, you can try to do some cutestuff with it, but I like, I
doubt it'll be ever be theoptimal way to do it.
And so I've been.
I've had games where, forinstance, like she will move
into a alter of death orsomething.
That's pretty cool.
'cause then they can't reallycontest there effectively.
And there are gonna be locationsthat where you can take
advantage of that.
But I don't see the movement asa power generating opportunity.

(25:14):
Right.
Which I think is one of thechallenges with the vi with
vision.
'cause half of her text doesn'tseem like it's actually
contributing to her power rightnow.
So we'll have to see if new carschange that or whatever.
So yeah, I'm, I'm, I would saythat my five star rating is
probably, uh, on the high mark.
Given that, what do you feellike you would star this, having
the chance to play it and, uh,retrospectively, like what would

(25:36):
you give at Star wise?
I think she's a

Rez (25:38):
followed, uh, uh, she's a followed saw, a followed, so,
no, she's a solid.
So, um, she, like, even if hermain deck is only gonna be
Surfer for the time being, Ithink she's still really, really
good and like, good enough inthat.
To be a four star card.
And I think she is broad enoughthat there is a future for her.
Maybe it just hasn't beenfigured out yet.

Alex (26:00):
That's absolutely fair.
And that'll take us to the nextcard here, uh, which, uh, is
going to be Sparky.
Sparky, the Doggo.
And, um, a couple things.
First of all, I've noticed, uh,I've noticed a lot of Sparky
variants and I feel like, uh, alot of people playing Sparky did
buy the super premium seasonpass, which unlocked the base
card.
So, uh, I mean, that is oneavenue.

(26:22):
It was added to the Snap packsas well, but as a series five,
not a series four.
So that was something Cozy and Idiscussed last week.
So Sparky, there's so Cozy, andI came in at, uh, I came in at
four Stars.
He came in at 3.5.
And I gotta tell you, do youknow what Sparky taught me this
week?
I just don't wanna play a move.
Like, I don't wanna sound like aclown, but like I just don't

(26:44):
wanna play move.
Like I was testing Sparky, Iplayed a couple rounds with'em
and stuff like that.
I'm like, I honestly, I don'twanna play this.
Like, I'd rather play OmegaSentinel.
Like I'm not, it's just one ofthose things, right?
Like statistically turning at53.4% win rate, but only a 3%
popularity according to Ontap astatistics.
Now I think that that win rateis gonna be lower than expected
because people that like get thecard and wanna test it, they're

(27:06):
gonna play move some optimally.
Like it's just gonna be one ofthose things where people aren't
playing move to the greatestefficiency.
And then the people that reallydo play move, they're the ones
that gonna get the human torchesto like, 300 power and stuff
like that.
Like they're gonna figure thatstuff out, right?
But for me, Sparky, although Ithink this card is likely a good
card and a legitimate inclusionin move decks it's just not for

(27:28):
me.
It's just not for me.
So I'd be curious about yourthoughts on Sparky, your
thoughts in the super premiumseason past it's changed that
they made and just overall like,are you a move aficionado.

Rez (27:39):
First of all, yes, super.
I, I really like what they'vedone with the super premium pass
in, in that, making it seriesfive, well, I guess a series
five.
I, I'm, I don't really mindabout being a series five too
much.
Maybe it increases the amount ofseries five, which I maybe like
less.
But I, I at least like that theynow give you a variant and thus
it unlocks the base card aswell.
So that's cool.

(27:59):
The card itself, this isdefinitely the card from the,
all the injection that we had atthe start of the season.
This is the card that I'veplayed the least.
I played it like a handful oftimes, and I pretty much agree
with you.
Like, it's just move man.
It, it's just, I generally don'twant to spend.
10 hours figuring out my turn.

(28:19):
And that's what move makes youdo.
And that's really good for theplayers who are like a super
high level and want to do allthose complicated calculations
and, and figure it out.
And that can definitely be fun.
But yeah, it's, it's too muchfor me.
Uh, one thing that I don't, I, Ido think he's strong though.
I do think he's strong.
And I think the, like the stuffthat you can do with human torch
is ridiculous and that worksreally well.

(28:40):
And just in general, we alwayssee that any plus three is
really good.
I think the interesting elementis that it's a card that has to,
it's a, you are targeting a cardthat has moved, which is
interesting.
'cause in games where I haveplayed it, I'm like I'm almost
playing him down early and noteven having moved things.
I've also run into problems withRo Lippa with him where like,

(29:04):
Bero is kind of stealing, I, I'mmoving something.
And then Behr is, is is likecatapulting over and then
stealing that power that Sparkhas given.
I'm like, oh, I kind of hopethat was going to the Hume
torch.
So yeah, there's that.
And I don't really like, I, Idon't like the one power on a
body, like that's somethingthat's staying blocking it.

(29:24):
Like in move you want room andthis is a one power that's
blocking one space.
I don't like that element of himeither.
So yeah I do think he's good,but he's not for me.

Alex (29:32):
Yeah.
So basically we, we kind ofagree there.
Now, star rating wise, like whatwould you rate it from one to
five star rating?

Rez (29:37):
I think I'd probably go three.
I'm sure that move playerswould, would probably give it
higher, but I would go three.

Alex (29:44):
How would you compare this card, Sparky to Fantastic Car on
release Silver Surfer, firstSteps on Release, and Sparky,
how would you rank those three?

Rez (29:53):
Uh, I would go Fantastic Car Sparky and there's Silver
Surfer on release, however.
Silver Surfer First Steps ismoving up my rankings.
Now she's a three five as well.
I think that's reallysignificant and I've been having
a hell of a lot of fun with her.
Do doing like iron patriot and Ihave been playing her in the
Surfer deck, actually, likegetting down an early Surfer to

(30:14):
like duplicate that.
So, as a Silver Surfer, NorinRad, whatever his name is.
Hang on.
What's his name?
Marvel.
Wasn't the encyclopedia.
Doug Jones.
That's it.
No.
Did you actually pull

Alex (30:28):
directly to the page?
How'd you manage to do that sofast?
Do do

Rez (30:31):
you know what?
I didn't, but actually in myBastion video when I was, in
fact it wasn't even on video, soI've got no proof of this.
I could just be lying actually,I will just lie.
I'll say it happens every time,every single time I do that, I
get the right page without fail.
Really when I, when I waspreparing it for the Bastion
video, I did get it to rightpage and I thought, wow, I've
gotta do the lotto today.
Yeah, I can't remember what wewere talking about.

(30:52):
I'm sorry,

Alex (30:53):
we were talking about Sparky.
Uh, but yeah, Sparky, uh, his,his win rate's kind of middling
right now.
You are seeing some decks,finding success with him.
Obviously move decks, so if it'snot move, you don't wanna play
move.
This is largely probably a cardthat you can skip with
confidence a little.
Unfortunately, they brought itto a series five, would've liked
to see that a series remainseries four, but still enter the
Snap packs.

(31:13):
But I don't, uh, I don't do thefinances at second dinner.
I think, uh, that much is to besaid.
The next card will discuss hereenough

Rez (31:20):
ma mustache to, yeah, exactly.

Alex (31:23):
The next card we'll discuss here is going to be
Moira X.
Now, okay, you look like youwant to talk Moira X here.
Now what I will say is that Cozyand I were skeptical, and I'm so
happy when I'm wrong.
I came in, I started at twostars, and then I ended up at

(31:44):
three Stars Cozy.
Agreed.
Here's the thing, I think I lovethis card, not just do I think,
is it a, it's a good card.
It's running a 55% win rate, 6%popularity right now according
to one tap, but this card is anabsolute showcase of design and
I think whoever at seconddinner, a thought of this card B

(32:07):
design the card and itsanimations and the team that did
they need kudos because thiscard is by far one of the best
designs they've done in a longtime.
Just the way it comes up, theeffect that it has, the effect
in the hand, you could tell thiswas a very high effort release
and I certainly appreciate that.
So kudos to the dev team forlegitimately making a card

(32:29):
that's not only incredibly funto play, but has an an
incredibly unique design as awhole.
They knocked this one outta thepark.

Rez (32:39):
Yeah, you might need to get that sense of bleep ready.
'cause I'm about to drop one ofthe most explosive words you've
ever heard.
I think she's bloody fantastic.
No, I thought, I think she's,she, she or she was a massive
surprise to me as well.
I thought she was gonna be good,but I thought she was gonna be
more like one of the cute cards.

(32:59):
Like, oh yeah, it's cool thatyou could do fun stuff about, I
think I gave her three stars inmy Snap or pass video.
Oh.
Absolutely.
Biggest surprise.
Out of all of these cards thatcame out, like you said, oh my
God, the animation isincredible, the way those cards
float around her.
Amazing.
And just what you can do withher, the fact that she's, she's

(33:21):
worked and found success inproper just normal, destroy.
Brilliant.
But I've been sticking her atanything to be honest.
So I've been doing, I've, I've,I, um, actually shout to Harry
Perry Snap.
If you're not, if you, if I, Idunno if a guest could even
shout out another channel.
Actually, this is unc.
This is Uns and this isunbecoming of me, but, uh, Harry

(33:41):
Perry Snap.
He actually did a video about adeck that I posted a short
about, which is like DakinDucken.
I dressed up as him.
I should know how to pronouncehis name.
But D Ducken friger is got likeNico Minoru.
So you've got basically likethree ways to copy dark and
you've also got Victoria handuh, and like venom and carnage
and stuff.
So you can do things like, uh,it's also got modoc in as well,

(34:04):
just as like if you do getmultiple Dins cooking, you do
literally have just the modocline that you can follow.
Uh, but if you don't and you,you've maybe got one or two din,
you can play the mirror masterard out, which gets plus two
from a hand, which you mightalready ha have out.
And then Venom that convert thatpower.
And so it does all stuff likethat.
It's got Prodigy in in as well,which is you of course.

(34:27):
And so Prodigy can copy darken.
And whilst he's not darkened sohe doesn't get doubled in power,
he does at least generate ashard.
And I think that's led to mehaving some eight cube wins
because I had this one gamewhere, um, I think my, my
opponent took a lot of time onthe final turn, then they
snapped me back and I was like,I think they've count miscounted

(34:48):
and missed aad.
And then it, their turn wascrazy as well.
They were doing like Nimrodstuff, but I outpaced them by
like one double.
And yeah, I've been doinganother deck which has got like
more traditional shield stuff.
I fricking love her.

Alex (35:03):
Alright, res, you just brought up Prodigy and that's
hilarious.
Do you guys want to see what ressent me?
Just outta the blue.
I'm minding my own business.
Prodigy release is happening andthis comes into my inbox.
Guys, I'm not making this up.
This, this is what re snapper isdoing on his spare time.

Rez (35:23):
I can't even tell you how long this took.
Even like, because like you had,you had the lights in your
background.
I, which I think perfectlymatched like the energy and the
power colors, but then they alsoweren't strong enough.
So I like created like a coupleof different layers of, you
painted you orange and thenlike, made sure you were like,
had some like highlights fromthat side.

(35:43):
Did the blue bear, I had toextend your glasses.
'cause the glasses are properlyshaped, which meant I had to do
the background.
Yeah.
And I was like, well, I'vestarted so I, I'm gonna finish.
So red snapper, while

Alex (35:55):
everyone else is making content, grinding new videos for
Prodigy spends 12 hours onPhotoshop just so he can send
this to me.
Not even like send it publicly,just to me.
Just be like, yo, look what Idid for no reason.

Rez (36:06):
I actually, I have, I have used it in a couple of videos,
like I think I've put it on likea random deck, like not, not
referenced it and then hadcomments going like, wait a
minute.
13 minutes in, was that Alex?

Alex (36:19):
Oh, I gotta do that next time.
Pros in the deck.
You guys gotta keep your eyesbefore I'm gonna sneak this bad
boy into it for sure.
Um, anyways, I think that's sofunny, dude.
I had to show that.
And uh, honestly, this goes toshowcase just how good you are
at, uh, at Photoshop as well.
'cause it's not, it's not easyto produce something like that.
Uh, but yeah.
Anyways, I don't remember whatwe were talking about.
Moira X.
We should go back to Moira here.

(36:39):
I love this card.
I think it's phenomenal.
Mm-hmm.
For me, this is an absolute getcard and I think that it's
beneficial too because if you'rerelatively new to Snap and you
have a low collection level, youcan make such an inexpensive
version of Destroy.
Yeah.
Where like X 23 somehow is stillseries four and I guess you are
often using like Nico Minoru,but if you're gonna spend any
money in the game and likesplurge on a series five, like

(37:02):
Nico is like one of the safestchoices you can make.
Like Nico is such a badass card.
Like you can, even if you'relike 3000 collection level, if
you're gonna go like, I want aSeries five card, like I think
Moira is one of those cards thatyou could very easily get and
then carry in a destroy shelland it's like all gold backed
destroy cards.
Like you can just play destroyuntil you block out every single

(37:23):
day with Moira.
And she is so fun and destroybecause she can copy like deaths
and she can get multiple venomsand like, it's just so good.
It's, I don't know, man.
I love this card so much.
I don't even care if it'sperforming well.
I had so much fun playing thiscard that I just can't help but
recommend it.

Rez (37:43):
Yeah, I totally agree.
And it's, it, it's kind ofalmost like you said though,
it's the fun element as well.
Like it's an even more funversion of Destroy because kind
of every game is a little bitdifferent stack in those venoms
as well.
Like I had a game with, I thinkit was cloning VATS with, I had
like Moira and Venom.
So by, by the end of the game Ijust had my only cards out was a

(38:04):
venom in each location.
Just a ma, absolutely massivevenom.
And I was just like this is toofun.
She's too, she is insanely fun.

Alex (38:13):
Yeah.
And one thing I will say is Itried her in, uh, Dormammu.
And I found it frustrating and Ialmost wish this text had read
when This is Destroyed, get acopy of the characters in your
opening hand.
'cause getting the additionalderamus skills, it stuffed your
hand and it just messedeverything up.
And I think that Deramus hasalways been close to being a
relatively good way to playDestroyed.

(38:34):
Like I, I don't think it's thatfar off.
Like it's just not, it's not thebest way to play Destroy, but
it's not that far off.
And Moira X could have been theinfusion of power Dormammu
needed.
And it just isn't that becauseyou, you're occupying way too
much hand.
You're not drawing cards.
I even tried Mad Thinker in aDormammu deck with Moira.
I'm like, my hand's full anyway.
But that stupid piece of crapjust sucks.

(38:55):
Way too bad.
Couldn't even play it there.
So that's just one thing I wannasay.
But overall, Moira X what anabsolute beauty card.
I love it.
Chef's Kiss.
I agree.
Absolutely.
And that's gonna bring us to ournext card, which is.
Omega Sentinel.
Currently, according to one taprunning a 52.3% win rate and a
very low popularity of 2.3.

(39:19):
It's not being played much and Igotta tell you, I think people
are sleeping on this card.
I actually really like this cardtoo.
I, I like Moer X better.
I think Moer X is a better card.
However, I think that if youbelieve that the four three
Omega Sentinel is not a goodcard, I think that you are
incorrect.
This is a very strong card.
Its ability impacts, the entireboard can be used in a way where

(39:41):
like you can stack your activatewith like other forms of like
toxic or affliction to try tolike target specific cards.
'cause you can be like, okay,well I don't need this.
You know, I don't need there.
I don't know, fallen one to godown too much.
And I, you can play somethinglike a US agent there, drop the
fallen one right down, thenactivate the sentinel and hit a

(40:02):
different location.
You could kind of control whereshe goes to some extent, which
is kind of cool.
Uh, but yeah, I have reallyenjoyed my play with this card.
It's a four three and others cansay, well, why would you just
negative seven a card where youcan punch it out with Shachi?
That's fair.
But this applies to the entireboard.
Shachi can whiff Shachi is suuh, susceptible to initiative
and this car just doesn't reallycare that much about that stuff.

(40:23):
I think Omega sentinel'sfantastic.
I think it's being slept on andI think it's an excellent series
four release.

Rez (40:30):
Yep, I completely agree.
In fact, the only reason I'venot played her that much, I have
played her more than Sparky.
Uh, the only reason that I haveplayed her so little is because
I'm just literally having toomuch fun with Moyer X, but I
think Omega Sentinel isabsolutely fascinating as well.
I think there's a hidden benefitto her that people are possibly

(40:51):
underestimating in that if me asa player, if I see my opponent
player, mega Sentinel, that'smaking my head tumble in an
absolute fizz because I'm like,okay, what do I actually do?
The fact that she doesn'tnecessarily hit the same
location that she's at, that is,it just makes things, it makes
the calculations for youropponents so difficult and makes

(41:12):
her spend more time.
And that means they might makemistakes.
And then it's the fact that allof her power is in the Activ
ability.
She's just a, she's just a threepower, which is good for Cerebro
another cerebral card but alsogives her the opportunity to be
manipulated with transformcards, so CSI or Merlin.
Um, yeah, so I think thatelement is really interesting to

(41:33):
her as well.
And.
Sh I think she's gonna be crazywhen Jocasta come or Jo Casta,
however she come.
Yeah, that's gonna be absolutelynuts because I know that we're
talking about future, weliterally talking about two
weeks, two or three weeks timenow.
But I have to mention it becauseyou pop her, you pop, you pop
her off with Jocasta hitting thecurrently highest power card,

(41:54):
and then when you trigger heragain, that is probably gonna be
a completely different card.
So you are, you are attackingmul, potentially multiple
locations.
Um, yeah, I think she's sointeresting and so good.

Alex (42:06):
Yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing.
I believe it's Joe Costa.
I said, yo Costa last week youdid.
That's.
Yeah.
And that's what, that's what setme off.
I was like, man, to say that,that, uh, engaged the comment
section would be anunderstatement.
If you want to, if you're aYouTuber and you like to engage
the comment section, just saypeople's names wrong and you'll
be constantly cry.
Everyone's super cool about it,but yeah, apparently is Joe

(42:27):
Costa.
And apparently it is also a verycommon mythology name that I
should have been aware of, whichI was not.
So

Rez (42:34):
No, it's a Marvel character.
A Marvel character fast.
I don't care what any historianssay, they run that.

Alex (42:38):
That's right.
That's right.
Just like the Eternals.
I'm like, bro, I feel like I'veseen all these guys before
somewhere.
I'm like, you know, Thena, I'mlike, aren't you in, in, uh, oh
man, I can't remember.
What's it called from SuperGiant.
That amazing game.
Where you go, your ha Oh, it'scalled Hades.
I was gonna say, your Hades yourHaes son.
It's Hades and uh, Hades is sucha fantastic game.
Damnit such a good game.
Yeah.
Don't even get me started onSilk song.

(42:58):
I didn't even play the originalhall night and I had been
playing Silk Song and I waslike, okay, I gotta see what all
the fuss is about.
Okay.
I understand the fuss.
This is such a beautifully,well-crafted game.
So yeah, I'm only a couple hoursinto Silk Song.
I haven't had much time, but,uh, that game seems incredible.
I might, I might have to post avideo about something like that
in the future.
I don't know.
Good.
I I play so many games.
Yeah, I watched that.

(43:19):
Now admittedly, let's talk aboutawesome Andy here, who I was
deeming ass hat Andy.
Admittedly I've not played him.
This is the one card that I justdidn't have enough time to play
So res.
If you've had opportunities toplay, awesome, Andy let me know.
But I can tell you that no onecares about this card.
It is running a 51% win rate ata 1% popularity.
No one gives a hoot aboutawesome, Andy.

(43:40):
I was thinking about putting himin like a CLIA deck or something
like that.
But ultimately I just, I ranoutta time.
There's so many Kurds beingreleased in this first week and
uh, I only have so much time inthe day.
I didn't get around to playing OMandy, especially when I'm
having so much fun with Moira.
So much fun with Omega Sentinel.
I just screw awesome Mandy.
I didn't play him.

Rez (43:57):
Yeah, that that's fair.
That's fair.
Poor Andy.
But also, I mean, look him, wecan't respect anyone with a
chalkboard and piece of chalk intheir hand, right?

Alex (44:05):
No, we can't.
Anybody holding chalk like theprodigy can't be respected.

Rez (44:10):
You can't respect those kinds of people.
No.
I actually like also Mandy,because I really, really, really
like the Atlantis style.
Sorry.
Literally I love them so much.
I can't remember what they'recalled.
Like Atlantis style decks withNour and stuff.
I really love that and I loveFrankie Renova who came out
recently, absolutely.
Sick card.
I put my fire border on her.

(44:32):
And you did the video on, onher, right?
Yeah.
And the meme Snap channel.
I did, yeah.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Yeah, she's awesome.
And so yeah, I've slottedawesome.
Andy in there played a littlebit with it.
And he definitely cer certainlydoesn't feel bad.
He certainly doesn't feel bad.
Uh, the thing that I really likeabout him,'cause,'cause he's
like vaguely similar to likeIronheart, which I play in those

(44:53):
decks.
I like doing like the Odinversion and I like Kari stuff in
there.
In fact, with the Kari stuff Ido, like, I have like a little,
a little flash of, um, somekooky stuff in there.
So I do like snow guard to likerefill your hand for the kaori
stuff.
Uh, and also like agent Corsonas well, just an as another way
to fill your hand for that andto give you a bit of
unpredictability.
But the crucial thing aboutAwesome Andy, is that he does

(45:14):
give you some reliability thatyou don't necessarily get from
Iron Ironheart.
Like, you know where the poweris going and you're going to
ideally put one card in each ofthose other, other locations so
that also Andy specificallytargets them.
That is the best thing abouthim, that, that feels really
good, that element of him.
That being said.
Yeah, we've just had Herbie,we've just had Frankie Ray over,

(45:36):
so the, the like, the two costspot in those like Noura style
decks is already pretty stacked.
So he definitely, ah, he kind offeels redundant.
'cause I, I like playing FrankieRay and Herbie in those decks,
probably more than, than Arthur,Mandy.
And ultimately, if he doesn'twork in those decks there's less

(45:56):
opportunity for him.
I think so.
I he's fine though.
I don't think he's bad

Alex (46:00):
for me.
I mean, o Mandy's an example ofa card that just didn't have to
get released.
Like that's kind of what I see.
Yeah.
Like this card was sounnecessary this season.
And not only do I think it's theweakest part of the season, like
I, I don't think it's even thatgood.
I don't really, I'm not like, I,listen, I have coped with Nomex
and that's exactly where I wentwhen I was playing Frankie
Renova.
Right.
And, uh, yeah.
Awesome man.
I just don't feel it.
Like, I just don't see it.
I don't feel it.

(46:20):
Yeah.
Ass hat.
Andy will remain an ass hatbecause I just think that this
card is not good enough.
And if it finds itself in adeck, then that's cool.
Like I, with that being said, Idon't think people have tested
yet.
Like we haven't seen enoughcooking with it.
1% per uh, play rate.
The win rate means nothing.
A 1%.
Like who, like nothing reallymatters, but you are seeing 1%
bought, inflated at a 51% winrate.
If they want to buff this card,they will.

(46:42):
They can.
And uh, even if, just to kind ofgenerate some interest in it, if
it's like a two, two,theoretically it is putting some
legit stats on the board.
It isn't activate.
And in this case, I don't knowif activating is that much of a
superpower.
'cause sometimes activate canallow you to like, for instance,
Sparky activates a superpowerbecause you can create a stack
where it creates an effect whereyou have like this chain

(47:03):
happening os Mandy doesn'treally chain anything, right.
It doesn't really need to beinactivate.
So anyways, that's just my takeon os Mandy, but again, I've not
played the card, so that is justmy opinion on it.
My friend what that's gonna do,it's gonna take us to our next
conversation, which just likewith os Mandy, where I suggested

(47:24):
that perhaps this card didn'tneed to be released.
One of the things that I thinkis frustrating people the most
about Marvel Snap is the releasecadence of the cards.
We're seeing upwards of 11 cardsbeing released per season.
We do have one being released inthe form of the game mode, which
is, which is fine.
And it looks as though,especially based on the last

(47:44):
high voltage and stuff, thatthey've kind of eased off of the
requirements of the game modeslightly, especially in
comparison to the, uh, the KiddoOmega fiasco, which was
literally one of the worstpossible decisions that could
have ever made and legit sentpeople en masse out the door of
Marvel Snap.
And we have the stats to provethat res.
I have to ask you, is MarvelSnap releasing too many cards?

Rez (48:07):
So I am someone who makes in-depth.
Analysis videos for every newcard that comes to the game.
So when they used to releasefive, or I think it was like six
on a, on a five week month, Ithink we'd get six cards.
That was like, it was prettydoable.
Like it is quite a lot of workto make the kinds of videos I

(48:29):
make, there's a lot of likeresearch and theory crafting and
creating graphics and stuff.
And then I'm, I'm this stupididiot who makes more work for
myself.
So I do stupid memes where I'mlike, I think I've got one.
I can't remember if it's gone upyet, but there's spoilers for
anyone who watches my videos.
But I've made a joke soon whereI'm sponsored by Pringles.
I'm just, just for lawyers.

(48:50):
I'm not, I'm not sponsored byPringles, but I do stuff like
that, which creates more workfor me because I make more
graphics.
But that's not their fault,that's my fault.
But going from five or six cardsa season to 10.
11, 12, hang on.
Yeah, there was like 11 there,there was 11 cards This season
it's it's basically unmanageablefor the kind of content that I

(49:13):
make.
Like I have a full-time job aswell, so I'm doing it like
before work and in lunch breaksand at the weekend and stuff.
Uh, and so it's like, Iliterally have to be like, okay,
I don't think I can keep thisup.
So I have to think about am Igonna consolidate?
So like, am I gonna do like theseries four releases that they
do during the season?
Am I gonna do that all in onevideo?
But then how do I address allthe things that people wanna

(49:35):
hear about and stuff.
So there's that element.
And also I think that that's,obviously, that's a me problem,
but that's, that's myperspective on that.
However, the thing that is an Ame problem is I think that the,
one of the unique selling pointsof Marvel Snap was kind of is,
but certainly was that.
Every card is impactful, everycard is meaningful.
It's not like Magic.

(49:56):
The gathering, which releasessix, seven sets a year or
whatever they do, which are like250 card sets, which is like the
slightly similar in most cardgames, especially traditional
card games.
And half, half the set will befiller or most of it will be
bulk or whatever.
With Marvel Snap, each cardusually feels like it's doing a
specific role.

(50:17):
And that's really good.
And also when they're coming outas infrequently as they were,
every card gets the spotlightand gets like people playing it
and stuff.
With this past week where wejust got, what, 4, 4, 5 cards at
once, no single card is gettingenough attention.
It doesn't give us time totheory craft.
Literally, both of us throughoutthis video has been saying, oh,

(50:39):
I haven't replayed this cardbecause, well, partly because
we've been playing Moira Xnonstop, but.
Uh, but you know, you know whatI'm saying.
So yes, I think they'rereleasing too many cards and I
would actually prefer that theytake this back a little bit to
give us all, some breathingtime.

Alex (50:56):
It's not just the release cadence, right?
Because we used to have one cardper week, and then what they did
was they added one card plus theseason pass card.
The season pass card used tostand on its own, and then they
added a card to that week aswell.
And what that did was it made itthat people that were just
buying the season pass, were nowno longer able to generate
enough resources to remaincollection complete.

(51:18):
Now you have two paid seriesfive cards.
You have one series, five card aweek, and a plethora of series
four cards being releasedthroughout the month, one of
which is going to be a DeadpoolsDiner card.
It's simply too much.
I've been giving a lot ofthought to this.
While I've had conversationslike, people that listen to the
pod would know that, like Darafor instance was someone who had

(51:39):
said that, that they like theidea of having more cards that
keeps the meta afresh.
And I agree.
That is cool.
I like the idea of cards thatkeep the meta afresh.
But like what you just said,like, I didn't play awesome,
Mandy, I didn't have time toplay awesome Mandy.
Like, that card just didn't needto come out.
It didn't need to be a landminein the series packs for Omega
Sentinel and the other kind ofgood stuff.
Right.
And the, the cards this monthare actually well designed.

(52:01):
Like I wish more people had theresources to experience Moira X
because if you did, maybe youwould not leave Marvel Snap all
together.
And that's part of thechallenge.
I think that one of the things,and I've been really thinking a
lot about this.
First of all, this has one ofthe easiest fixes imaginable.
And while I admittedly I'll saythat I'm obviously a content
creator, I'm not a monetizationexpert at second dinner or in

(52:23):
the game industry.
But also, I'm just gonna saythey're kinda screwing it up a
little bit.
So maybe they should listen towho's not a monetization expert.
It's too many damn cards.
And if you think about what themajor problems of Snap, the
major problem is, is thatthey've not fixed the collection
track since the introduction ofit.
Ever since they changed, theymade collectors reserves and all
that stuff and they made thetokens and they took the gold

(52:45):
out and all that stuff.
They've never touched thecollection track.
And that is something that everysingle player who plays Marvel
Snap engages with on a frequentbasis.
If you're gonna release 11 morecards or whatever, you're gonna
release 11 cards per season.
Why aren't you increasing therate of token acquisition in the

(53:05):
collection track?
If you're gonna change the waythe acquisition system works,
why aren't you changing the waythe players acquire the means to
acquire the cards?
It doesn't make sense.
And so I thought about this, itkeeps me up at night.
Why does it keep me up at night?
Because viewership's down toabout 33% of what it used to be,
right?
And again, that's like an USproblem, but.

(53:28):
It's also a you problem playingthe game because part of my
thought, and this is maybe thecynical side, is why are the
butts getting so much better?
Why?
I think one of the things that,this is tinfoil hat stuff here.
If they make the botsindistinguishable from players
and increase the competitivenature of the bots, therefore
players playing will not be ableto see their individual matches

(53:49):
as an indication of the healthof the game.
If the old bots were present andyou were able to play and you
match against fourth robotsafter another, you'd be able to
surmise that there are less playpeople playing Marvel Snap.
The matchmaking has to getwider, that it's not finding
players, so it's feeding youbots.
If they make the bots moreindistinguishable from
individual players, they're ableto mask the exodus of players to

(54:12):
some degree behind the bots thatseem more capable.
Again, tinfoil hat.
I think that something needs tobe done about the collection
track.
It is a relic of the originalMarvel Snap design.
It makes no sense that it hasremained the way it is today.
All this time, if you think thatreleasing more cards is going to

(54:33):
benefit the game and benefit theenjoyment factor of the players
playing the game.
You need to increase theopportunities for players to
actually get the cards to enjoyit.
Because I'll tell you right now,they're not enjoying watching me
play cards that they can'tacquire.
So something needs to be done.

Rez (54:52):
Yeah, I completely agree.
Uh, as you touched on a littlebit there, but like the, the
viewer viewership of my channelis absolutely plummeted.
Like the, the season pass videoanalysis videos that I did, uh,
used to be like one of the morepopular ones that I would
release each month.
But the Viv Vision one was likea quarter of what the normal
views are, which it's a realshame to see like, especially as

(55:13):
it's indicative of the playerbase actually shrinking.
But I'm sure you do as well.
I get comments from peoplesaying that they have literally
left the game because there's,they now can't keep up How for
how long?
Were players saying that themain problem in the game was the
card acquisition.
They came along earlier thisyear and said, oh, we fixed it.

(55:33):
Here's Snap packs.
And like they removed thespotlights and stuff.
And yeah, at first it probablydid feel better, but now we're
at the point where they'veliterally doubled or more than
doubled the number of cards thatthey're releasing into the game
whilst keeping the same system.
So it's like with the, theupdated system at least.
But it's a system that was builtfixing the old problems.

(55:54):
And so now we are literally backin, uh, possibly even a worse
position than when we werealready in where people can't
keep up, they don't, aren'tgenerating enough resources.
And I'm seeing it more and morefrequently, even from other
content creators who are nowsaying, oh, well yeah, I've now
run out of tokens, so I'm notgetting every cards, I'm not
getting half the cards andstuff.
So, ha.
Yeah, it's not a good situationand it's just gonna push more

(56:16):
and more people away.
So yeah.
It again, and it, it's reallyfrustrating that we're back
into, so quickly we're back intothe position where it's like,
oh, we, there's problems withstuff like Character Mastery and
the filters we've wanted to add,like activate and all the other
abilities they've added for solong.
There's so many things, so manyquality of life updates that
there could be.
And it feels like we arecreating more problems than,

(56:40):
and, and we're still not gettingthe fixes to, to longstanding
problems.
So, yeah, it's frustrating.

Alex (56:46):
One of the things I thought about is why would
second dinner do this, right?
You have the new era of Snap,they're no longer with new
verse.
And sometimes you wonder like,was new verse, keeping the reins
on them, like was new verse kindof reigning them in a little
bit.
Like who knows?
But one thing I will say isthat.
Have a okay if you have a largedead, like even on Twitter, you
see stuff.
A lot of the developers insecond dinner are from magic,

(57:06):
right?
And they bring a lot of skill.
You're seeing a lot of thedesign in the cards being
fantastic, right?
However, I don't think, and thisis just again, tinfoil had on
Alex here one of the goals ofSnap for a lot of players is to
be collection complete.
And it's been a pain point.
However, I don't see the samedrive for magic.
The gathering players to becollection complete.

(57:28):
It's simply not necessarilyattainable.
Even if you buy a bunch ofboxes, it doesn't work that way.
You buy it to buy like 15 boxesto get collection complete and
still fill holes in your, your,uh, your collection.
So I had this thought, what ifthey thought to fix card
acquisition instead of improvingit?
If they make being collectioncomplete, such a runaway

(57:50):
impossible dream that peoplewere to give up on it.
That, that would solve the cardacquisition problem.
'cause people would not expectto be collection complete
anymore.
They would be happy with justgetting, oh, I'll just get more
wrecks this month, even though abunch of other stuff is being
released.
I had that thought.
I had the thought of was it afactor that so many people
wanted to have access to everycard and if they made it such a

(58:10):
runaway impossibility that itwas no longer an option and
people just gave up on thatdream and it wasn't even a dream
anymore and not even a pipedream.
It was just, it was justimpossible.
It wasn't realistic.
The way I'm not gonna becollection complete in riff
bound.
I'm not be collection completein magic gathering.
It's just not feasible.
I'll buy a commander deck, I'lldo that and I'll play with what
I have.
I had that thought, so I'd beinterested in your thoughts on

(58:31):
that.

Rez (58:32):
Yeah, that is very interesting.
I hadn't thought of that.
I mean, they, they have openlysaid that they don't, they
don't, is have they said theydon't want people to be
collection complete or the, orthey don't want it to be like a,
a necessarily achievable goal.
But the fact that you've framedit as that, as it's literally
impossible and something thatcan't even.
They can't even achieve.
I hadn't thought of that.

(58:52):
And yeah, that's, again, it'sjust, it's sort of the, the game
that Marvel Snap is, the cardsall have their own purpose.
It's not like you don't have thelevel of specificity, sorry, I
have to say that word veryslowly because otherwise I'll
say you don't have the level ofspecificity that you do have on

(59:12):
Magic.
The gathering cards where it'slike, oh monkey Warrior of the
Clouds, he's a legendary monkeycloud rider.
So you don't have that in MarbleSnap.
And we don't have tribes at allin Marble Snap one.
Maybe we would like them by theway.
But yeah, you don't have thatlevel.
So the cards, they all dosomething.
They all do something specific.
And so that is why people want afull collection.

(59:34):
'Cause missing when you miss onecrucial card from a deck, that
is kind of devastating in Snapwhen you start like missing a
couple, it can block you outfrom an entire archetype.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I like, I'm not a, not a, um,conspiracy theorist, but you
could be onto something.

Alex (59:50):
Yeah.
Potentially.
And I it's a win-win, right?
People forget about the dream ofbeing collection complete and
also the people that wannareally be collection complete,
damn.
They gonna whale, they gonnawhale.
Right?
And so it's a win-win, uh, fromthat perspective.
And I guess the thing I wannaleave, uh, this topic with was,
based on my experience thus far,is people are leaving fast.
Mm-hmm.

(01:00:10):
And something needs to be donebefore it's too late.
Yeah.
'cause it already feels like itmight be too late.
And this is a game that I loveand every single person that I
engage with is incrediblypositive.
They love the game and it's beenthe monetization of the game,
which has been such a repeatedpain point.
Even at Pax, I had the privilegeof meeting so many people, both
at the meetup, but even peopleon the Saturday that couldn't
come to the meetup on theFriday.

(01:00:31):
'cause that Saturday tickets andI was walking around with decks
and we were at the show floorand people stopped us.
A bunch of people stopped us.
The number of people that said.
Hey, you're the guy from Snap.
I used to play that game, butit's way too expensive.
Or I fell behind'cause I tooklike a month off and now I just,
I just don't know what to do.
It's insane.
You have an audience of probablymillions of people that would

(01:00:52):
love to get back in the game,but it is literally impossible.
It's just impossible.
And when you pair that with theactive turning away of players
who currently play the game, youhave a recipe for disaster.
The writing's on the wall andthat's gonna take us to our
Snapchat mailbag.
And uh, there is quite a fewquestions based on last week.

(01:01:14):
Now, a lot of them were roastingme for not knowing a bunch of
stuff.
'cause Cozy, I Cozy gaslit melike 15 times on that pod.
Like, I, I can't, yeah, I can'tbelieve I fall for this crap,
man.
Dude, it was brutal.
And wrestling Wrestle Rangercomes in and says Claw and
Nebula do not have any kidstogether.
Man.
It's not my fault Res you got,you got something.

(01:01:37):
Oh, go into the encyclopedia.

Rez (01:01:39):
Let's see.
I've got the right page.
No.
Yeah, they're both, they bothhave hand stuff.
It literally just says they'reboth Oh, they're both into hand
stuff.
Coke and the Monitor.
Yeah.
No children though.
Yeah.
Sorry about that.

Alex (01:01:54):
Yeah, no problem.
So, yeah, so yeah, I justthought that Claw and Nebula
looked identical to what OmegaSentinel did, and, uh, Cozy sold
it, man.
He sold it.
Yeah.
He's like, yeah, they have kidstogether.
Chad's gonna let us know whattheir other kids' names are.
Like.
He sold it so good straightface.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I actually believed him.
Yeah.
So, wrestler Ranger Cozy got meon that one.

(01:02:15):
Hundo PI accept defeat on thatone.
Absolute Chad gameplay from Cozythere.
Astral Ragtime says, and oh,it's a bastion comment.
So res I'll give you the flooron the, on the answer here.
Astral says bastion's powerisn't just in the power of
reducing costs, but just thatyou ha can inevitably play those

(01:02:35):
cards again.
I can see him getting a lot ofplay in a huge variety of decks,
dropping him on top of a CaptainAmerica, a human torch for
steps, venom, Goliath, Mobius,or hell on swarm to set up an
even bigger modoc or bullseyeheck, even Ashan Chi or Red
Guardian to drop again.
He's got a lot of spice for sureis just a little obscured.

Rez (01:02:59):
Yep.
I completely agree.
'Cause literally when I wasdoing my analysis, I was looking
at the cars and I was like,okay, like I normally feature
like a handful of synergies,maybe up to like six cards of
synergies with this card.
I just couldn't stop.
So I think I put like 12 Synergycards, but I was like, and
that's.
Scratching That's justscratching the surface.
Yeah, I just, I just thinkthere's so many cards that you'd
wanna do, like hit monkey, likein in, in just like a random

(01:03:23):
yes, I appreciate Bastion is aforecast card, so you wouldn't
necessarily be playing a hitmonkey and having it get the
actual ability trigger off.
But then you crucially then havea two three hit monkey, which it
like also lets you double dip onthat.
You might be playing a hitmonkey in a similar deck as
Sage.
Again, it's just another cardthat you definitely want a two
three of.
You're going from zero powerwith three costs to two, three.

(01:03:46):
So the double dipping the kingof double dipping.
Yeah.

Alex (01:03:51):
It looks like it has a ton of potential.
And that's even discounting thepotential for zal decks.
Mm-hmm.
Where you get'em with threecosts or something like that and
maybe sneak'em into littletighter lines.
Magic Ironman like magic, likeyou want additional limbos.

Rez (01:04:05):
Yeah.
So if you magic on Three IronMan on Five, bastion on six.
Seven.
Oh, I thought you meant you want

Alex (01:04:13):
copy magic.
Like you wanted more magics ifYeah.
If you want, I guess.

Rez (01:04:18):
Yeah.
Li limbo.

Alex (01:04:19):
Limbos got a limbo.
That's true.
I, I mean there was a time,there was a time when I was
playing, uh, I can't bring it upagain.
There was a time when I wasplaying she not kang decks and
um, I would actually legion the,uh, the limbo to prevent people
from getting rid of it.

(01:04:39):
Yeah.
Because it was incredibly commonto legion other stuff to get rid
of it.
So going into turn five withinitiative, I would legion the
limbo.
Then they would legion and justre legion my limbos, if that
makes any sense.
Jacob, Kelvin comes in with thefinal question of the day.
Because it's in reference toAlpha Flight.
'cause Dapper Dave got me thaton the bus, which I, I went to

(01:05:00):
start reading actually a couplenights ago and realized that
like it's an actual physicalbook.
This might sound dumb, but likeI didn't have an appropriate
light at bedside to read it, soI have to invest.
I've been trying to keep an eyeat Costco for like bedside table
lights and stuff like thatbecause I only shop at Costco.
Obviously it's, it's funny too,actually, I'll mention I was in
a Call of Duty tournament andthey even made reference to me
being a Costco fanatic.

(01:05:21):
I'm like, how did Call of Dutyknow this?
Like, it's so literally the Callof Duty announcers shouted out
the fact they're like,'cause Iwas like running around in the
game.
They're like, this guy's runningaround like, uh, like he's in
the Costco.
Alex is a huge fan of Costco.
We're like, I'm like, how doesthis guy even know this?
Like, this is crazy.
Right?
Really?
They did their research andapparently they typed in my name
and Costco came up.
So during the week.

(01:05:43):
Last week, sorry.
I had the opportunity to meetGlen at Pax and I showed the
omnibus that Dapper Dave gaveme.
And as I joked last in the priorweek with Cozy Glen said, gotta
release 10 cards a season.
Can you name 10 alpha flightcharacters right now?
And I was stuck.
So Jacob, Calvin comes in,here's the 10 alpha flight
characters for a season.
Number one, guardian number two,north star number three, Aurora

(01:06:07):
number four, puck number five,snowbird.
Number six, shaman.
Number seven, guardian.
Eight is vindicator, nine isbox, and 10 is taliman.
Now one thing I'll say, and Idon't have a con confirmation of
this, I'm almost positive andsomeone in the the comments can
let me know.
And this is like one of thosethings, you know, when like

(01:06:27):
Marvel, like you look at some ofthe older stuff, you're like,
come on bro, this is the bestyou guys can come up with.
Like, they're so inventive todayand the comics are so good, but
some of the older stuff likereally goes off the rails.
I'm almost positive.
There is an alpha flightCanadian superhero called major
maple syrup.
Do you wanna look in yourencyclopedia?
Pull the encyclopedia?
Yeah, let's,

Rez (01:06:47):
uh, you wanna actually look this guy up?
There's an index.
It would be a shame not to useit.
Major.
I've looked major maple syrup.
I'm pretty hot on Marvelknowledge.
I've got an encyclopedia.
Did you know?
But I've never heard of majormaple syrup.
And we got, oh, we've got MajorDomo, major Victor.

(01:07:07):
I'm not seeing major maplesyrup.
I'm sorry, did I just

Alex (01:07:10):
invent this in my head?
Do I have a dream about this?

Rez (01:07:13):
You are Canadian.
That's all you drink, right?
Is that

Alex (01:07:17):
Yeah, that's all we drink.
We don't have water

Rez (01:07:18):
up here.

Alex (01:07:19):
We actually, that's not true.
We, we eat the snow and iteventually becomes water, but if
we can just drink maple syrup,that's fine.

Rez (01:07:25):
Okay.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um.
Yeah, I've never heard of it.
But I have to say though, I saw,I would be stunned if they
weren't already planning like analpha flight season.
They must have talked about it.
Like the, like it feels like thecountry stuff, Canada, great
Britain, like the, uh, mi likeCaptain Britain and the MI 13,
which is an absolutely awesomeseries.

(01:07:47):
Like, uh, it delves into likegothic horror and stuff.
Really cool.
Uh, like surely they've gotta bedoing that stuff.
Alpha Flight.
Alpha flight is absolutely hugefor them not to be doing, alpha
Flight might not be

Alex (01:07:59):
huge though.
I don't know, like

Rez (01:08:00):
it's, oh, I listen, Wolverine is in Alpha Flight.
There is no way that they do notwanna print another Wolverine.
It's true.
It's true.
Is Wait, is Deadpool Alphaflight to you or No?
He's Canadian though, right?
He's Canadian, yeah.
I don't think, I don't, I don'tthink he's been an alpha flight,
but Wolverine certainly is, andthey could do that, I dunno what
they call him, like Wol, maybeMaple syrup.

Alex (01:08:22):
Wolverine.
It's possible.
It's possible.
Guys, once again, I wanna saythank you so much to Rez for
coming here today.
As you can see, this dude is anabsolute bastion.
You see what I did there of justlove and hilarity.
This guy is truly one of a kinddown below in the common
section.
I'm gonna have links to hisstuff, including the food
channel, and I'm gonna link thechicken ball video because you

(01:08:42):
gotta watch it.
Dude, thank you so much forbeing here.
I sincerely appreciate it.
Thank

Rez (01:08:47):
you for having me.
It's honestly been an, an honor.
I think I said it when we wereoff air, but you guys have been
such a massive part of my MarvelSnap journey.
Like it's, it is very rare.
That I've had a, like a YouTubevideo or series that I
specifically look forward toevery week that I, I'm like, oh
yes, it's Monday or Tuesday orwhenever it comes.

(01:09:08):
I'm like, oh, yes, it's coming.
It's like, it's, it's Snapchatday.
There's literally been a coupleof YouTube videos like that, so
it kind of almost brings me backto a nostalgic time of waiting
for a TV show to come on andstuff.
So, like one of my mates getsreally excited when it's on as
well.
So, uh, yeah.
Thank you to both of you foreverything that you do for the
community and, uh, yeah, thishas been a true honor, so thank
you.

Alex (01:09:27):
No.
Well, thank you for joining usthis week, and as I said before,
guys, all of Rez is info's gonnabe down below in the pin comment
and the description.
You gotta follow him becausehe's one of a kind.
Thank you for joining us thisweek and we'll see you on the
next one.