From Costco to Snap Conspiracies | Jocasta Preview & Warlock Review | Top Cards of the Month | The Snap Chat Ep. 151

Will Warlock improve in the future meta? How has the bot behavior changed in Marvel Snap? What are the top-performing cards from last month? Join Alex Coccia and special guest Nina as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Episode Transcript

Alex (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the
Snapchat.
I'm joined today by a veryspecial guest.
Nina is new.
Nina, how are you today, man?
I'm so excited to have you onthe podcast.
You're one of my favoritecontent creators on the planet,
and I say this truly, I actuallythink that you have some of not
only the best, like thumbnailsand editing, but general, like

(00:20):
just you're so talented, notonly from like a video
production standpoint, butyou're actually like an
incredibly talented card gameplayer as a whole.
And, uh, no, no, I'm, listen,I'm not just trying to pump your
ego out.
I'm telling you, I that yousuper my head getting bigger and
bigger.
I know, but I, I, listen, I justwanna say it's, uh, it's great
to finally have you on thepodcast.

Nina (00:39):
Well, thank you so much for having me, Alex.
I thought, uh, you know, lasttime you invited me when Cozy
wasn't available, and I was sogutted I couldn't be on a
podcast because my PC died onme.
I remember how Sussy was.
It was right after I made thatvideo.
It was like, that's it, I'm donewith spending money on Snap.
And then boom, next day my PCdied.
And I was like, you know, seconddinner, hacked my pc, broke my

(01:01):
PC and sabotaged it.

Alex (01:04):
No, I a hundred percent believe it.
It's a known fact that seconddinner has sabotage capabilities
and it's one of the reasons whyI try to not produce negative
content on them.
They'll literally take me down.
Oh, that

Nina (01:13):
makes sense.

Alex (01:13):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Like you learned the hard wayand it's, uh, I know you gotta
also send Doge coin.
I haven't anything

Nina (01:17):
bad since then.

Alex (01:19):
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta send them Bitcoin and Dogecoin
every month too, to stay ontheir good books.
You know what I mean?
I had someone I don't rememberwhere it was, it was on Discord
or something like that.
Someone linked it to me like,Hey Alex, did you see this
conversation?
I was like, what?
They're like, they're like, Alexonly gets to infinite every
month because he sends Dogecointo second dinner for favorable
bot treatment.
And like, people were actuallylike, it sounded like a joke,

(01:40):
but they were dead serious.
And everyone was actuallydiscussing how like, I get
better bots because seconddinner knows me.

Nina (01:46):
I get those comments too.
It's not just me.
Are you kidding?
I upload a YouTube video.
It's not a, not Dogecoin and Icall it do Doge Dogecoin.
But the people say like she musthave favorable matchups on
purpose, that she probably tellssecond dinner she's about to
play the game and they like giveher easier opponents.
I'm like, what?

Alex (02:08):
I thought it was just me.
That is ridiculous.
Who would ever actually believethat?
Se like we notify secondary, yo,I'm going on ladder now.
Give me those dirt bots.
You know what I mean?
Like.

Nina (02:21):
I wish.
I hate the current bots.
They're so hard.

Alex (02:24):
They're brutal, man.
I, okay, so the last stream Iended was actually a warlock
stream I was doing and uh, I wasplaying the game and like
literally I was against thisbot.
I knew it was a bot too.
'cause it had like 55,000collection level and it was
like, highest rank, 83.
Oh Omega.
Like, here we go.
You

Nina (02:38):
know when you see that?
Yeah.
And

Alex (02:40):
like my old part of me, I just snapped.
Turned one.
I was like, yeah, we're gonna,we're gonna smoke this bot, get
some making.
Oh, you can't do that anymore.
Can't do that anymore.
And this bot started playinglike.
Literally omnipresent, like fivehad plays on me.
I was like, oh my God.
I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonnadie.
I'm like, it's over.
And then we were on turn six andit was like, you know, it's like
four cubes flashing, eight.

(03:00):
Everyone's like, Alex, leave,don't stay.
Everyone's like, leave, leave,don't stay.
I'm like, no, this is a bot.
I'm gonna win.
I'm not giving up four cubes ina retreat against the bot.
And I stayed in the game.
And when I tell you this bot, Idon't even remember what
happened, but I was like, yeah,we're done for the night.
We'll see you guys later.
Like it was an aq.
Absolute just disaster loss.
And like I, you're right, youcan't do that against these bots

(03:21):
anymore.
Right.
And it's, uh, they're absolutelyruthless.

Nina (03:25):
Okay.
Now that explains the round youposted in the created discord
afterwards complaining aboutbots.
It was right after that stream,wasn't it?

Alex (03:35):
Okay.
Um, now I'm a little, a little,uh, shy here.
Yes.
Right after that stream I wenton a tirade on the crater
discord where I was like, yo,whoever changed these bots,
change'em back.

Nina (03:48):
No, I agree with you.
The bots are too hard.
They're not smart.
The bots are too hard.
Believe smart.
They're also playing like toptier decks and they're still
playing them well, like, whatthe hell?

Alex (04:01):
I know they're playing crazy decks and I ha okay.
There was this one bot though Iwas against, this is a long time
ago, where literally it was itfelt like it's deck was like,
it, it didn't make sense, and itfelt like it was pulling from
the entire cardpool, like itplayed Shadow King on me.
Then it played like Shun Chi.
It had like every tech cardimaginable, and the deck made no
sense.

(04:21):
It played like Chavez and likewhat random stuff.
I was like, what is it evendoing?
And then like, it destroyed me.
I was like, I can't believethis.

Nina (04:28):
You know what people are gonna call, call me a conspiracy
theorist, whatever, but I.
Believe that the bot decks arebuilt based on your deck
sometimes.
Like they have hundred percent.
They have like the perfectcounter to your deck.

Alex (04:43):
I'm just gonna say that.
I thought I was crazy.
You were validating all thesefeelings I've had.
This is definitely like massivetinfoil hat stuff here.
Like there's a good chance,like, like there's an intern
somewhere that like was workingon the bots and they're like,
wow, they're just super tilted.
We did not do any of this stuff.
Right.
No,

Nina (04:59):
no.
I have full on have Liz Brain.
I believe that the, the botdecks are based on your deck.
If they want you to lose, theywill have like the perfect
concept.
Ah, you know what?
I also believe they, the gamehas matchmaking made to make you
stick in the game.
It's not

Alex (05:19):
like the engagement based matchmaking.
Yes,

Nina (05:21):
yes, yes.
Like in rivals.
Have you heard of that?
Oh my

Alex (05:24):
gosh, I've heard of that.
That's okay.
Now we're going down the rabbithole.

Nina (05:27):
I believe it's, that's it's a thing because next time.
When you lose to a bot, okay,close the game and then you, you
like rage, quit the game, right?
And then you reopen the game.
Yeah, I did that.
And you'll get an easy bot.

Alex (05:43):
Really?
So every time I get demolishedby a bot, I just quit the game
immediately.
Yeah.
What if I just turn it back onright away?

Nina (05:50):
Yeah, that's what I do.

Alex (05:52):
Wait, hold on.
Is this like actual five headlike, and then you're gonna get
a dirt bot after you get yourcues back.
Yeah.
You

Nina (05:57):
get a dirt bot.
So many times this happened tome.
Not even exaggerating.

Alex (06:02):
I never thought of this.
This makes perfect sense.
It's entirely possible.
Youre right.
Because I wanted to

Nina (06:06):
know because I am really bad at stopping playing when I
have like a losing streak.
I will keep queuing, queuing'cause I'm losing.
And that's like, I feel likethat's teaching the game.
If we keep making her lose,she'll keep playing the game.
So I want the game to know, ifyou keep making me lose, I'm
gonna quit the.

Alex (06:27):
This is like a crazy spiral.
I like, I, I just, it's sofunny.
First of all, this was a totallyunplanned conversation.
I can't even believe this iswhere we're at right now.

Nina (06:35):
It's not even on the

Alex (06:36):
list.
No.
We're just kind of just rantingat this point.
But it's so funny to hear yousay that like it's entirely
possible engagement based,matcha, matchmaking exists.
'cause actually, now that you'vementioned that, so very
commonly, I guess when I play agame against like a player and
I'll lose a cubes, I often get adirt bot after that game.

Nina (06:54):
Mm-hmm.
Really?

Alex (06:56):
Yeah.
I feel like I do.
Well, yeah.
If

Nina (06:57):
you lose too much, if you lose too many games, the game
will feel bad for you andthey'll give you a easy, easy
bot, like a really stupid.

Alex (07:05):
Wow.
But then what is the decisionmaking around giving you these
absolutely like ruthless, likeelectro level assassination bots
that you get where like you justget absolutely destroyed?
Like what's the decision makingbehind that?

Nina (07:17):
I feel like people are more likely to keep playing if
they're losing.
'cause like me, when I'm losing,I'm like, I'll play one more
game.
I don't wanna end on a loss.
I'll just keep playing until Iget one good game and then I
quit.
So the games thinks, oh, whenshe wins, she quits the game.
Keep making her lose.
But once in a while, throw in awin.

Alex (07:39):
This seems like some sort of like gambling fallacy.
I, I'm not sure what it is, butthis sounds like some like, oh,
definitely Las Vegas, likeblackjack style, like this is
like the gambling spiral.
This is how people like max outtheir credit cards in a casino

Nina (07:51):
mm-hmm.
Type thing.
Mm-hmm.

Alex (07:52):
Mm-hmm.
I'm losing.
I can't lose forever.
They're eventually gonna giveyou my money back.

Nina (07:55):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.

Alex (07:57):
Yeah.
That's, I don't gamble.
Lose slot machines are made of,listen, this might be amongst
the most unhinged intros to apodcast I've ever recorded, but
like, I feel like we needed toget all the conspiracy out
there.

Nina (08:07):
I'll take that.
I have, I have, I have moretheories.

Alex (08:11):
Okay.
Okay.
Well this is, this is theperfect time to discuss them.

Nina (08:15):
Oh, now, now they all flew outta my head.
Not that you put me on the spot

Alex (08:19):
now that I put you on the spot.
Okay.
Yeah.
You know what?
We'll have to have you on nexttime and we'll, just like the
whole episode will just be likeus talking about all your
conspiracy Nina theories, buttalking specifically about Nina
and Snap, which is the officialfirst.
I also have, I just remembered

Nina (08:32):
one.
Okay.

Alex (08:32):
Sorry.
No, it's okay.
No, you're allowed to interruptmy, uh, the thing about Snap
packs transition.

Nina (08:37):
Do you know my theory about Snap packs?

Alex (08:39):
No.
I don't know your theory about,have you ever gotten

Nina (08:40):
a God pack?

Alex (08:41):
Never gotten a God pack.
Never.

Nina (08:43):
Okay.
It's'cause you played the gametoo much.

Alex (08:46):
Okay.
I like the, where we're goingwith this.
Okay.
Talk to, so Thep packs,

Nina (08:50):
up until recently, I never got a God pack.
You know the pack where you getmore than one card?
But I had someone in mycommunity who stopped playing
Snap.
Then he opened the game afterlike months and months of no
playing and he got, he openedthe fir the first Snap pack he
opened.
He got three cards.

Alex (09:11):
I mean, bless his heart, but also WTF.

Nina (09:13):
And then, uh, Aaron, my husband, he hadn't played the
game for like a year.
I was like, you have to checkthis theory.
Open a Snap pack.
He opened the game the firsttime he had to download the
game.
He opened the game, opened hisfirst Snap pack, got two new
cards.

Alex (09:29):
Unbelievable.
Wow.

Nina (09:31):
Mm-hmm

Alex (09:31):
Hmm.
I could see that being So you'resaying like there's actual
engagement, like AI in thebackground trying to manipulate
us.
I think if

Nina (09:38):
you come back to the game after not playing it for a bit,
you are more likely to get a gotpack.

Alex (09:42):
Okay, I'm gonna take this a step further.
Next time I lose like an ACuber, I'm not only gonna turn
the game off, I'm gonnauninstall it from my phone or
from Steam and then reinstallit.
I wanna see if that makes adifference.
I'm actually gonna remove itfrom my device and then re-put
it on.
I'll see if it is like I get adirt bot after

Nina (09:59):
this.
Only works pre infinite.

Alex (10:02):
Yeah.
Okay.
Because post anything, you

Nina (10:03):
don't get bots anymore.
Although, no, I know people whothink their bots post infinite
pretending to be, uh, humans.
I haven't noticed any.

Alex (10:11):
No, I don't feel like I've noticed that either.

Nina (10:13):
No.

Alex (10:14):
I've been taking like, the scenic route towards Infinite,
the last couple of seasons.
Oh yeah.
Me too.
Yeah.
I've just, I honestly, it's justlike for me, like I'm at a point
with Snapper.
I'm like, you know what I wannaplay when I, when I'm like, I
wanna play and like, the grindof like excessive grinding.
I just have, I've just not beeninterested in it.
I play a lot, honestly, but alsoI refuse to retreat.
'cause like, I like, welllisten, we're content creators.
I always go for those.

(10:34):
Like, there's a chance I can winthis game.
It's gonna make a great clip inthe video and it's eight cubes.
That's that's

Nina (10:40):
true.
Yeah.
If it's

Alex (10:41):
eight cubes, it's even more intense.
Right.
And then I go for it.
Content

Nina (10:44):
Content matters more than rank.

Alex (10:46):
Yeah.
A hundred when you're a content

Nina (10:47):
creator.
Yeah.
Yeah,

Alex (10:48):
I know.
But I still retreat'cause

Nina (10:49):
I'm, I'm so stingy with my cubes.

Alex (10:51):
I'm not, I need to be, I need to be like, when people are
begging me to retreat and chattoo, that's where like I wanna
stay even further.
Like I just don't, I just don'twanna leave.
Even though I should likeagainst that bot where, which
would tipped off this entireconversation.
They were begging me to leaveagainst this bot.
The writing was on the wall.

Nina (11:07):
Well, you should have left, to be honest, because
against the bot is not even goodcontent.
Nobody wants to see you dominatethe bot.
No,

Alex (11:14):
it was pride at that point.
It wasn't about content, it wasabout pride.
Like it was, it was a stubbornold man getting angry at his
computer in front of a liveaudience.
That's, that was what that was.
Um, and the b got the better ofme in that given situation.
But I mean, okay, so the wholetopic of discussion here was
that, uh, you've had acomplicated history.
With Marvel Snap over the lastcouple of months.

(11:35):
Yeah.
And originally, like you postedlike your, your now famous
video, you know, I'm done.
I remember your, I still pictureyour thumbnail in your hand in,
in my head, right?
Like, yeah, it was, it was, Imean, I think that like you're,
again, you're editing yourthumbnail stuff is like,
topnotch and I just was like, ohman.
And I watched it, I watched ittwice actually.

Nina (11:54):
Oh, did you?
Because I, I

Alex (11:54):
just, yeah.
'cause I love what you had tosay about it.
And actually I wanna go back tothat because, uh, at the time
you had said that you wereleaning towards going completely
free to play.
Mm-hmm.
And it sounds as though in our,in our conversations prior to
recording that, you've kind ofeased off that a little bit, but
not fully.
So do you want to bring us intolike, the full loop of like,
where Nina is in Snap andspending and just your general

(12:14):
ideas about like where thegame's at right now?

Nina (12:17):
Mm-hmm.
So, uh, I've been playing Snapsince like, November, 2020.
I think it 2021.
When did it come out?
I can't remember.
Anyway, for a long time, likethree years.
And, um, I haven't been a hugewhale.
I'd say I've been like adolphin.
I've definitely tapered off onmy spending in the last year or
so because I used to buy all,like all the big bundles, you

(12:39):
know, and uh, season pass everysingle month.
But the last year I have alreadybeen spending that much.
And I found it like I had somany collectors tokens saved up.
I didn't need to spend that muchmoney, just a season pass and a
few small bundles here and therewere kind of, you know, uh,
sufficient.
But then the whole thing withKid Mega happened and it wasn't

(13:00):
just how expensive it was, itwas more like, this is the first
time where we had limited gamemode, where you kind of had to
spend money in order to get thecard, even unless you were like
played the game for like 40hours that week, just made it
your full-time job.
It was really, really hard toget the card.

(13:21):
And it wasn't just that, it wasmore their reaction to the
community.
People were not happy about it,but they just kind of ignored us
completely.
And then they released thatthing Friday afternoon before
everyone went off

Alex (13:36):
weekend, the classic Friday afternoon.
Like PR release?
Yeah.

Nina (13:40):
And they just said, oh, this is, uh, yeah, this is what
we planned.
We're not planning on changinghow generous we are in the
future.
We are just gonna be better atmanaging expectations.
That's what they said, whichprobably meant to me, it meant
like, oh, get used to this.

Alex (13:56):
Yeah.
It's what to, that's red light.
Yeah.
This is what it's gonna be

Nina (13:58):
like from now on.
And um, yeah, that was quitelike shocking because usually
they're quite open to feedback.
I think when communitycriticizes them, they usually
just kind of like try to meet usin the middle, you know?
But that was very disappointing.
And then another thing thatreally pushed me over the edge,
I'd say was the super premiumpass.

(14:20):
Where in order to get the newcard, which was fantastic card,
right?

Alex (14:25):
Yeah.

Nina (14:26):
You had to basically pay extra 10 pounds on top of the,
uh, premium pass.
So it was like premium pass andthen super premium pass.
It was just, it was just toomuch.
I think they were just askingtoo much of the players and I
just, I don't know, I just feltvery disappointed in depths and
everything and I just decided tomaybe stop spending money, make

(14:47):
the video, and to vote with mywallet.
'cause videos don't seem tohelp.
Uh, feedback in the Discorddoesn't seem to help.
So it was more like my desperatemove to try to change things,
which I don't, I don't think canchange much.
But they did take on thefeedback about Super Premium

(15:08):
Pass.
They did change it so that youcan now get the super premium
pass card with tokens.
If you want to, even though it'sactually better value to just
buy the super premium pass,isn't it?
'cause you get the variant, youget the base card and
everything.
And then we had the DeadpoolsDiner, which was so generous and
I, that was like the most, Iplayed the game in like the last

(15:28):
year probably.
Yeah, me too.
'cause I just, I played it somuch for the nachos, for all the
cosmetics and all for the emotesand everything.
And I was actually having a goodtime because so many people in
that posts diner were, um,getting all these emotes and
people were actually usingemotes, you know?
Did you notice that?

Alex (15:46):
I did notice it, yeah.
Yeah.
People were using OTs and alsolike, there's a lot of like
actual like companionship oflike, Hey, fist bump.
Yeah, I'm losing.
And you, and then bothretreating on turn four and
stuff like that.
Like there was like, it broughtthe humanity back into the
community.
You know what I mean?

Nina (16:00):
Definitely.
Because I usually am supertriggered by emails.
I'm one of those, you know,what's they call.
I dunno, not snowflake, but um,I get super triggered by people
emoting me, like, say.
I lose and they like, give me athumbs up or something.
Or like, oh yeah, that's,

Alex (16:16):
that's just disrespect that I'm with you on that.
Like I, yeah, I hate that.
Yeah.
Dexter told me he was in mystream at one point, and every
time after I win or lose, nomatter what I do, I always fist
bump.
It's just one of those things Ido.
I just always hit that fistbump.
I just sometimes don't eventhink about it.

Nina (16:29):
Yeah.

Alex (16:29):
And he's like, wow.
So BM I was like, what?
I fist bumped.
He's like, you can't fist bumpafter you win.
He's like, that's so rude.
I was like, what?
That's that.
How's that rude?
And then sure enough, in uh, thenext stream he was doing, I, I
was in his chat and I was like,yo, fist bump after the next one
you win.
He's like, no, I can't do that.
That's rude.
I'm like, no, do it.
He wins the game.
He fist bump and the otherperson did the choline Wing.

(16:50):
Like, I was like, no way.
I'm like, how is that possible?
I'm like, that's not badmannered at all.
And so like, I can totally seewhy some people do get triggered
by the emotes.
I think they're cool.
Like I was told that the Jeff,the Jeff and Juice one is like
mm-hmm.
Like disrespectful.
It's like, come on, it's Jeffsipping a juice box.
Like, what are we talking abouthere?

Nina (17:08):
Oh, I, I don't know.
I think Jeff can be a little bitof like a, a dis

Alex (17:14):
really.

Nina (17:15):
Come on.
Yeah, a little bit.
It depends on, on like how youare using it, but I, I think my
new favorite one is the, is thegoose one.
I feel like that one is veryhard to make it toxic.
The goose one, I don't even know

Alex (17:25):
what it means.
It doesn't even make sense.

Nina (17:27):
Exactly.
It's just a cute cat.

Alex (17:30):
Yeah.
I think the red guardian onewhere he kind of has the thing
on his head is a good one too.
I don't think anyone caninterpret that as like,
disrespectful.
Um, the Red Guardian?
Yeah.
Well he, it's like for somereason he's blue, isn't it?
But I'm pretty sure it's RedGuardian.
Oh

Nina (17:42):
yeah, that one.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
He look so like nervous

Alex (17:45):
one too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, my favorite one

Nina (17:47):
is the, um, oh, the, the red bird.
What is it called?

Alex (17:51):
Red one?
The one

Nina (17:51):
that goes like, yeah.

Alex (17:53):
That good?
Yeah.
But that's I think one of the,um, that's like one of the album
ones though, I think.
'cause I don't have that one.

Nina (17:59):
I have that one.

Alex (18:00):
Do you I've always wanted the Enc Chara Hearts one.
Do you know the one with all theEnchanters and she's hugging the
hearts?

Nina (18:06):
No, I don't have that one.
I have no idea what all, Ididn't have that many moats up
until that pools diner.
'cause I never spent gold onthem.
I thought they were tooexpensive.

Alex (18:14):
I they are too expensive.
That's why everyone went crazyfor them, right?
Yeah.
But like, what I'll say was, uh,I only bought a couple, like
with Real, real Money.
I remember I was at, in Bostonat Pax with Cozy when they
released the gr like retreatbutton one.
And I'm like, it's 50 bucks.
What a waste of money button.
I want this retreat button.
'cause I just want it.
So I, I spent the 50 bucksthere.
This was like years ago now.

(18:35):
And then the other one I boughtwas the Beast one.
The Beast where he is likesipping the martini type thing.
Oh,

Nina (18:39):
that one is so good.
It's from Jenga, isn't it?
Yeah.

Alex (18:42):
But that's, that can be tilting though.
I think that one's a littledisrespectful depending on its
usage.
No, that one

Nina (18:46):
is super tilting.
Yeah.

Alex (18:47):
Yeah.
So I try to, we're gonna one,get cold out

Nina (18:49):
so much in, in the comments.

Alex (18:52):
Yeah.
That we're getting triggered

Nina (18:53):
by all these, you know, cartoon characters.

Alex (18:56):
Yeah.
I even, I actually saw somebody,so I was like, I was in a game
against another creator and atthe start of the game when I
recognized them, I didSpider-Man point fist bump, and
they never responded.
And then later on I was like,oh, I was curious.
I wanna see the game

Nina (19:10):
name them,

Alex (19:11):
I don't wanna name them.
And I was like, I'll check out,I'll check out their stream
afterwards, like their va to seelike, oh, what they were saying
during the game and stuff likethat.
I knew that too.
They saw my fist my, they saw mypoint in fist bump and they just
muted me.
I was like, come on man.
Trying to be, trying to be,what's your new

Nina (19:27):
name?

Alex (19:28):
That.
Yeah.
I'm just gonna put them on fullblast here on the podcast.
No,

Nina (19:31):
what's your name on in game?
Maybe they didn't recognize you.
Oh, it's,

Alex (19:34):
oh, maybe it's Octm.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Maybe they didn't, it's notRecognize you not my full legal
name on the, on like my in gamename or whatever.
I guess that's true.
So in their defense, no, but I'malmost 99% positive.
Even their chat was like, yo,that's Alex.
So they got a hundred percentnew man.
They a hundred percent new.
But anyways, that's a wholeother conversation.
But, uh, oh,

Nina (19:51):
yeah, you tell me after the podcast who it was.
Yeah,

Alex (19:54):
yeah.
I'll tell you.
I'll tell off record.
Okay.
But, but yeah.
Yeah.
But anyways, um, so long storyshort so you went, you went, oh
yeah.
So I went free to play.
Free to play, yeah.

Nina (20:03):
For two months.
But after that was diner.
You know what I, I think that weneed to reward second dinner for
good behavior.
You know, like when you'retraining a dog, like when they
do something good, you need togive them a treat.
So I want them to come out ofDeadpools Diner, having made
some money'cause they were sogenerous.
I tell people we're actuallyspending money on the mode.

(20:24):
No, after everyone's diner, Ibought Season Pass beautiful for
Viv, uh, vision and she wasn'tthat great of a card, but I'm
excited to experiment with her alittle bit.
I have this, uh, Viv VisionGalactus deck in mind that I
wanna try out.
But yeah.
Um, but you know what, I noticedanother conspiracy theory.

(20:45):
Up until I had the vision, Ididn't encounter her at all on
ladder, like maybe two, threetimes.
But once I bought her so manyother revision decks,

Alex (20:57):
it's entirely possible though that one could be
explained by the fact she gotbuffed.

Nina (21:01):
Oh,

Alex (21:03):
yeah.
Because I would say, becauselike if I'm trying to be like
really like, okay, like the fivehead chess, if V Vision is, is
good and they want you to buyit, you're gonna be playing
against V Vision every game.

Nina (21:14):
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
Yeah.
I think you're right.
She did get buffed, I I aboutthat.

Alex (21:19):
So that, that one might be more tinfoil had than the
others.
The other ones I'm all board on,but this one here, I think there
might be a, a logic gap.
This one's

Nina (21:26):
too much.
Is it?

Alex (21:27):
This one's too deep now.
We're too far.
We're too far.
But I actually wanna say, I, Iagree with you and I hope that,
um, I like the sediment there.
The idea of like, you know what,you guys were very generous with
this game mode.
I'm having a very positiveexperience in the game.

Nina (21:40):
I'm

Alex (21:40):
gonna buy the season pass.
I'm gonna support the game.
This was a fun month.
Thank you.
You know what I mean?
Think that's, and I feel bad.
Awesome.
I feel

Nina (21:45):
about

Alex (21:45):
spending money

Nina (21:46):
because, you know, when, when I feel good about the game,
I, I feel good about spendingmoney on it.

Alex (21:53):
Yeah.
No, I agree.

Nina (21:54):
But when I feel like they're trying to rip me off and
asking me for money every singleday, then I don't really wanna
spend money.

Alex (22:01):
Yeah.
And I guess this is kind of likewe're kind of into our topic of
Deadpool's Diner view.
You, when we switch screens,you'll see it was supposed to be
one of our topics.
I guess we're just doing it now.
We liked it.
But one thing I'll say is thatlike, I do think that the
community expectation though,has to be tapered for future
events.

Nina (22:15):
Oh yeah.

Alex (22:15):
I'm convinced this was an accident.
Like, oh, I, I think so too.
They're saying that like, oh,like we intended to be like
this.
I'm like, bro, there's no wayyou meant to, no, there's way
This was, was like horrible mathby an intern somewhere.
And like you guys didn't knowhow to change it back, so you
just left it.
Or you could have changed itback, but the PR disaster wasn't
worth it.
Mm-hmm.
And so you just left it, whichis cool.
We appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, definitely.
But at the same time I justwanna say community, everyone

(22:37):
listening, we can't be mad whenif they dial this, this next one
back.
We can't have every single gamemode like this.
Because this was, this was atreat, but you can't have treats
all the time.
You can't have always cream fordinner.
That's like Christmas

Nina (22:48):
came early.

Alex (22:49):
Yeah, we just gotta accept that.
Like we can't have Kid Omegaagain if they do that, like I'm
out.
Don't.
No, no, no, no, no.
Don't you dare go too far theother way.
But we can't, we have to likeget realistic about what these
future game modes are for themost part.
Definitely.
And if we can find some middleground between for instance,
the, uh, the way they had donesomething like, uh, obviously
the Deadpools Diner and like theusual game modes we were

(23:10):
expecting like, ah, you know,yeah.
Something in the middle would begood.
Yeah.
Somewhere in the middle istotally fine, but if you wanna
give us this more often, that'sfine too.
Thank you.

Nina (23:19):
Yeah.
Even like, I'm thinking even ifthis Deadpools Diner everything
was double the price, it stillwould've been fine.
You know, instead of 1000 nachosfor Emos, 2000 nachos.
That's totally reasonable.
Yeah.
Like I would've been happy topay that.

Alex (23:33):
Man, you know, what's a missed opportunity?
If they want to make more money,what they should have done, if
they were gonna be handing outnachos like this, they should
have had like some sort ofDoritos sponsorship tie in
because like we were, we wereconsuming nachos.
Nachos was the topic ofdiscussion in Marvel Snap for
like an entire week or whatever.
And I'm just saying there'sdefinite brand synergy there.
If Doritos wants to, wants tosponsor the next Deadpools

(23:54):
diner, I'm here for that becauseI think it's a good idea.
'cause we love nachos.

Nina (23:59):
Oh, I do love nachos.
I got some today actually fromlittle really.

Alex (24:03):
Costco do, do you guys have has?
Yeah we have like, okay, so atCostco, which is the only place
I shop, honestly they have likethese, like, they always get
these new versions of nachosmade by chefs where they'll like
have like, oh, this is likehabanero, spiced, pineapple
flavored nachos, and it soundsterrible.
I, I saw that face.
But then you eat it and you'relike, hell yeah.
This is the best nacho of alltime.
And every month they have like adifferent, like, like chef's

(24:26):
flavor right now.
It's like some na uh, late nightcheeseburger flavor.
I'm like, that sounds actuallybad.
So I didn't get it.
But I'm in for nacho flavors andvariety.

Nina (24:35):
We don't have that at our Costcos.

Alex (24:37):
Really?
You're missing out.
British

Nina (24:40):
Costcos are kind of boring, I think.

Alex (24:42):
Really?

Nina (24:44):
Well, I mean, it's still fun to go there.
It's like, you know, a fun dayout for me.

Alex (24:48):
You know what, it's, it's a fun day out every time I go
there too.
I agree.
Actually, it's funny'cause justyesterday, uh, Husky puppies a
former guest on the podcast.
Um, he was at Costco and he sentme a message, he's like, yo, I'm
at Costco.
Is there anything you wanna see?
And I was like, like out theblue?
I'm like, yes.
Take a photograph of the menu ofthe food court.
I wanna see the regional foodcourt.
I want to know what's there.

(25:09):
And so, where's he from?
He's from the state somewhere.
I didn't actually ask hisphysical location.
I'm like, let me doc him.
Here's his address.
Yeah.
But, uh, I have an idea where heis from.
But anyways so yeah, he sent it.
It was so cool because like,they had like a, a different
type of like, like differentlike sandwich and their menu was
totally different than what wehave here.
And I was like, that's kind.
What do you have on your

Nina (25:28):
menu?

Alex (25:29):
Uh, we have like, uh, like a pulled pork sandwich thing.
We have the hotdog, of coursethe hotdogs very consistent.
We have different forms of icecream.
We have sundaes.
We have uh, we have like this,like poutine, which is, you guys
know, oh yeah, I know.
I had

Nina (25:40):
pout.

Alex (25:41):
Yeah.
Yeah, so we have like a specialpoutine.
It was pretty cool.
And they had, oh, pizza as well.
They used to have chicken wings,but they got rid of them.
I was so sad.
Oh, because they would give youlike a bucket of chicken wings
for like 1999.
Oh my God.
It was way too many chickenwings.
And then they, you'd be like,they'd be like, what kind of
sauce do you want?
Or like, I don't know, barbecuesauce.
It would give, they'd give youlike a pound of barbecue sauce

(26:02):
for no reason like that.
This is way too much.
I guess I have sauce with the,well, the one that they removed
it

Nina (26:05):
from the menu probably wasn't making them a lot of
money.

Alex (26:08):
Doesn't seem like it was very profitable, I'll be honest
with you, but

Nina (26:11):
the hotdog is not profitable.

Alex (26:13):
No, but the hotdog is like, that is an institutional
requirement.
Yeah.
There are some things you can'tmake money on in the hotdog is
one of them.
You just have to provide thatservice to the people.

Nina (26:21):
And the chicken, apparently the rotisserie
chicken, that's not profitableeither from what I heard.

Alex (26:26):
It's

Nina (26:26):
a LOF fee.
I've heard that

Alex (26:27):
I, I saw some stat that Costco was like the number one
purchaser of, or distributor ofchicken in the world or
something.
Like the amount of actualchicken that they push on a
daily basis far exceeds anyoneelse.
And you think like, it'd be likeKFC or something, but apparently
it's Costco.
This don't fact check this.
I might be wrong.
I dunno.
Ask cha GBD.
But I remember seeing that atsome point.

Nina (26:49):
cause every time, you know, when you run out of
chicken and then the newchicken's about to come out,
there's always a queue of peoplewaiting for fresh chicken.

Alex (26:57):
Oh, that's right.
Like they run out of the actuallike rotisserie chicken.
Yeah.
I, I, yeah.
Okay.
Wow.
Yeah, I guess there is always aline there.

Nina (27:04):
Mm.

Alex (27:05):
We're gonna be talking about a warlock and review.
We Okay.
Let's give a quick breakdown ofwhat we're actually talking
about.
We can talk about Warlock Ocostapreview.
We already did our DeadpoolsDiner review.
We're gonna talk about the topcards in the month according to
the statistics and the Snapchatmail.
But we've got a couple dos inthere, by the way.
But Warlock unfortunatelyWarlock has come out and I think
it's underperforming,

Nina (27:22):
unfortunately.

Alex (27:24):
Yeah, because I was excited for this card.
Now I came in at like, me Too, afour star range in preview.
Cozy was 4.5 stars.
Oh my God.
In his defense last week inpreview banks came in at two and
a half and I think Binkmight've, might've cooked proper
42% win rate at 9% popularityfor Warlock.
And even the top performingdecks of High Evo are

(27:45):
technically just a little bitrunning a negative cube rate at
a 49% win rate.
It's heartbreaking.

Nina (27:50):
That's sad.
You know what though?
I think it's because it's hisweek.
Oh, of course.
And everyone is running Mobius.
That always happens with the newcard.
Easily countable with like onesingle card.
If it's affliction card,everyone's playing new cage.
If it's energy choosing,everyone's playing Mobius.
Yeah.
So he might get better once, youknow, it's no longer his

(28:13):
spotlight week.

Alex (28:14):
And also there's something to be said about the card we'll
be previewing momentarily, whichmay in fact improve Warlock as
well.
U Costa, Joe Costa, I'm not evensure how you're supposed to say
it, I still don't know, but JoeCosta, I think it's Joe Costa.
Joe Costa.
But anyways, it's an activatecar.
Warlock might benefit this weektoo.
But what I will say though isthat like I had fun playing Evo
again and I actually ranked upvery efficiently playing Warlock

(28:37):
and Evo.
And I think part of it was thatI didn't actually come across
many Moby Semi Mobius.
I just didn't.
And uh,

Nina (28:42):
really,

Alex (28:43):
no, I didn't.
Which kind of surprising.
I played

Nina (28:45):
Mobius every third game when I played Warlock.

Alex (28:48):
Well, when we talk about the top cards of the month, I
am, I don't wanna spoil it, butwe're gonna talk about Mobius
'cause he's the top three costof the month.
So like you're a hundred percentright.
Your experience would trend withwhat I think everyone else saw
too.

Nina (28:59):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (29:00):
Um, and this is a classic thing though, when, like, do you
guys remember when, like anihilist came out?
This is a great example thatalways stays in my head.
So nihilist comes out and thatcard because like of just the
way the meta was at the time, itwas so hard to play.
And then once a nihilist kind ofwas out like a week or two.
All of a sudden his decks becamethe top performing ones.
And then something like awarlock is even more susceptible

(29:22):
to the week it comes out,because you're right, if there's
one catchall for it, like Mobyjust destroys it.
Just like when Diamondback cameout.
Mm-hmm.
Diamondback's an amazing card.
Yeah.
But you just play Luke Cage andthe whole thing sucks.
And like, it's just no point inlike even trying to get proper
stats that first week becausemm-hmm.
Luke Cage just dismantlesanything that Diamondback's

(29:42):
trying to do.
Exactly.
Diamondback's a sick card, butit doesn't show that first week.
And so are you suggesting thatWarlock might actually age a
little better thanks to, uh,Mobius and Mobius?

Nina (29:51):
I don't know.
I, because I think any deck thatWarlock is going to be in is
going to rely on also Sunspot.
And she Huk, right?
Yeah.
And those decks are alsobasically killed by Mobius.
And Mobius is just such acatchall for all the energy
cheating cards.
I don't see him ever going outof.

(30:12):
Fashion, I'd say he's just toogood of a card.

Alex (30:16):
Yeah.
And I think that Mobius preventspixie from getting buffed.
'cause I've been saying for thelongest time that I think that
Pixie needs to be a one drop.
Just like Loki, they're verysimilar designs.
But if you buff pixie too much,then Pixie Mobius is such a good
line that it's just gonna beeverywhere into the meta and
it's gonna just feel awful.
And even with Warlockspecifically, you brought up she
hawk.
So I actually have a little bitof beef with this.

(30:37):
And it's not necessarily thegame, it's the design of the
cards that, like with Warlock,when you float turn five or six
or whatever you happen to bedoing, she hawk will take all
these incidental pops.
Yeah.
And then then float her energy.
So she's kind wasting,

Nina (30:51):
it's really annoying the Warlock

Alex (30:52):
pros.
Right.
So I think that, like I waswondering if the best versions
of Warlock are not actuallygonna be in a she Hawk based
deck.
'cause you actually minimize theimpact quite a bit.
But those are the types of decksthat wanna float energy so
aggressively.
I tried it in Surfer and it feltrough.
It didn't feel great.
It just didn't feel right.
So like, yeah, I don't know thatthat interaction with She Hulk I

(31:12):
think really limits its ceiling.

Nina (31:14):
It's really annoying.
You think they should worktogether, but they kind of
clash, don't they?

Alex (31:19):
They do.
Yes.
They absolutely clash.
And I found that that was kindof interesting and I don't know
if it must be intended.
I'm sure they tested it, butit's disappointing because like
it's actually just a waste.
It's a waste of these.
Yeah, it's such a

Nina (31:30):
waste and it makes Warlock redundant.
And also it's just, I feel likehis usage is very narrow.
Yeah.
He only really fits in like whatthree decks max.
He's a high Evo.
And then there's that deck, uh,came best made.
That was pretty fun with HitMonkey.
Have you tried that one?

Alex (31:45):
Yes, I did see that too.
That was the one that uh, it ranum, black Swan too, right?

Nina (31:49):
No, no, it ran Mobius.

Alex (31:52):
Oh no, I'm thinking about a different deck.
'cause I did see the WarlockBlack Swan one a bunch.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was thinking about a differentlist.
Yeah.
I mean, here's the thing though,and this is something that I
think, I don't remember who Idiscussed it with, but they're
releasing so many cards so fastso often that like cards don't
get a chance to breathe.
Like you don't really get tocook with them that much.
Like, no, when I was playing,uh, so Dexter was doing his daon

(32:12):
and we were playing, he playedfire word.
I'm like, I literally have neverseen that animation before.
I've never played it myself andno one's ever played it against
me.
And I'm like, and I haven't eventried to make a deck for fire,
Lord.
Like I can't even Yeah, same.
I can't even remember what hedoes, honestly.
And it's like one of thosethings where it's like, there
are so many cards coming out sooften that like, it's so easy to

(32:32):
just like, just not actuallylike play with them all and give
them all a legitimate shot.
Agree.

Nina (32:38):
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Like, um, what's the other cardthat came out of fire?
Lord, the three drop Destroy theair.
I've

Alex (32:44):
not played this at all either.

Nina (32:44):
That's the thing.
Like I, when I was playing withDexter as well yesterday for his
daon, uh, we, the draft battleand that's what we did.
I got this card and I'm like, Idon't even know what this card
does.
Yeah.
Had to like look it up to seewhat it does.

Alex (32:59):
Yeah, it's crazy because like it's unfortunate that like
some of these cards are justbeing released so fast

Nina (33:05):
mm-hmm.

Alex (33:05):
That they don't really get a chance to shine because for
what it's worth, fire alert.
Actually the animation's supercool.
The card seems pretty cool, butlike it's just, we gotta move on
to the next thing.
Right.
You just gotta move on.
We gotta move on to Yeah.
It's too fast.
Yeah.
Warlock coming out or whatever.
Right.
Yeah.
There's always something comingout.
And so, uh, yeah.
Overall, like what are yourgeneral thoughts on Warlock?
I feel like he is a skip.

Nina (33:25):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely a skip.
I, I was disappointed because Ihad high expectations for him,
but after trying him out for abit I think the main thing, if
they fixed the interaction withshe Hulk, he would be much
better.

Alex (33:37):
Oh, for sure.
I absolutely agree.
But in his current

Nina (33:39):
state, I think, well, he will get better as soon as, you
know, uh, Mobius is no longer sopopular, but with so many have
you noticed there's so many Mr.
Negative texts running around?

Alex (33:49):
Yeah.
And they even kind of, theynerfed it quick.
Uh, actually we're not talkingabout the OTA specifically, uh,
today, but like the change tomystique is significant.
Right?
Because they basically made itso that Gene Foster can't pull
mystique anymore, which is amassive Nerf to negative, right?
Um, yeah.
But yeah, I've been seeing a tonof Mr.
Negative lately.

Nina (34:04):
Yeah.

Alex (34:05):
Um, so as long as there, there's so

Nina (34:06):
much Mr.
Negative Mobius is going to bearound.

Alex (34:09):
Yeah.
And I, I mean, and Mobius is avery important like valve for
that exact solid deck, right?
Which'cause like Mr.
Negative is a very difficultdeck to go into.
Turn four, sorry, turn four, uh,turn six or seven with against
four or eight cubes.
'cause like, it's the amount ofpower it puts insane.
Yeah, I don't know man.
I, I just think that like, atthe end of the day, while I'm

(34:30):
excited for warlocks future, Ifeel like today it's a skip.
Especially with, uh, the verythematic season we have
upcoming.
And that's gonna take us to JoeCosta, um, who is going to be
the new card releasing thisweek.
It'll be entering the Snap Hacksas a Series five card.
It reads, activate immediately,activate your other cards here

(34:53):
without using up their activateability.
So I actually think this is areally cool card and anytime you
have like these very combocentric cards, there's a chance
that the ceiling becomes far toohigh on certain decks.
Like I'm a little nervous aboutlike the Invisible Woman,
fantastic car style lists, whichI think that like are really
gonna like this particular card.

(35:14):
But what I will say though is Ithink the thing I love the most
about this card is theversatility it provides for
other activates to be played onTurn six.
Yes.
'cause you can, yeah, right?
Because you can you play a, your

Nina (35:26):
casta first.

Alex (35:27):
Yes.
Because

Nina (35:28):
usually if you play Activate card on six, you can't
activate.
Right?
You have to wait a turn.
And with your Casta, you can.

Alex (35:34):
Which I thought is really cool.
That's a really cool design.
I'm just wondering if everythingelse is gonna ruin it.
If everything else can be like,oh, we thought it was bad with
this invisible woman.
Hold my beer because Joe Costa'shere, you know that run down
intentionally.

Nina (35:48):
Well, I had a look through all the activate cards and I
think there's gonna be somereally spicy combinations.

Alex (35:53):
Yeah, I've

Nina (35:53):
got my little notes here.
Lemme check.

Alex (35:55):
Okay.
Go through those notes.
Hit me up.

Nina (35:57):
Any future activate cards should also affect them.
So any future activate cardswill need to be, you know, kind
of balanced around her as well.
That's such a good point.
So always you have the invisiblewoman prodigy thing, like, can
you actually do Invisible Womanfollowed by JE and then caster?

Alex (36:15):
Yeah, probably that.
How

Nina (36:16):
many, how many pros is that?

Alex (36:18):
Yeah.
And you be asking, put Fantasticcar in that lane too.

Nina (36:21):
Oh my God.
Right, because fantastic car'san activate.

Alex (36:23):
Yeah.

Nina (36:23):
So you have all of those in one location and then you,
first you activate your Casta,then you activate your Invisible
Woman Prodigy Info Testa, andthen it's just you're sitting
there for 10 minutes waiting forthe animation.

Alex (36:36):
Yeah.
And you know the fast forward'snot gonna work.

Nina (36:38):
No, it's not gonna work.
It only works on Modoc.

Alex (36:41):
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Modoc, if you modoc anything youcan just modoc not even swarms
in your hand and that fastword's popping off.
But yeah, like it's, it always

Nina (36:47):
annoyed me so much because you kind of want to know what
they discarded.

Alex (36:51):
It almost ruined my enjoyment of the Bullseye Deck
because like you never seeanything happening.

Nina (36:56):
Oh, true.
I feel

Alex (36:57):
like they toned it down a bit because I feel like I've
seen the animation a few, fewmore times.
'cause I barely even rememberedwhat the Bullseye animation was
because it was always beingskipped.
Like I never actually sawanything.
And then like, oh look, someoneplayed Odin Wong Mystique like
Iron Heart or whatever.
And sure enough, yeah, that'ssit there minutes.
That's for 45 minutes.
Yeah.
Don't fast forward this guys'cause it's.

(37:18):
Yeah, whoever made that codethat is some serious spaghetti
code.
But I was thinking about someother stuff too.
And it's funny'cause theyactually did, they, buff Lock
Jaw Lockjaw can be used with uh,Yokota and what's interesting,
I'm just gonna use Jokasta andYokota interchangeably.
I don't dunno.
You guys can't stop me.
I, and the thing I'll say isthat like, remember old Lock
jaw, like Lock Lockjaw, Thanos,stuff like that where like you
were just feeding stuff intoLock Jaw like crazy Uhhuh.

(37:40):
This almost gets that feel backa little bit because like the
nice thing about the new lockjaw is you could play the card
anywhere.
You don't need the lockjawlocation's.
True.
So I feel Yeah, you don't haveto close that location.
Yes, yes.
And so like, uh, I feel like itcould be cool with Lockjaw to be
honest with you, especiallysince you just buffed it.

Nina (37:58):
Yeah, that's a good point.
I didn't even think of Lock Jaw.
I only really played lock jaw inthe Helleck.
But speaking of hella, we couldmaybe combine Jakarta with hell
cow, Jata then hella on lastturn.

Alex (38:11):
Okay.

Nina (38:12):
To discard.
That's.
And speaking of bullseye.
Bullseye with jaa would bepretty toxic.
It would.
It would be.
If you have like a bunch ofswarms, your Mobius and and
collector would grow likeinsanely big.

Alex (38:27):
Yeah, you're right.
Because those, those swarmswould just replicate and then
like, you'd have like five orsix in your hand and then you'd
Pound'em again.
It'd be even crazier if you do,like, I, I don't know if this
would work, it might be reallydumb, but you do like bullseye
into frika.
Into bullseye into Yo Costa.
Then what the hell is your lastturn?
I dunno.
I'm losing track because is thatcombo possible?

(38:48):
Maybe then it's like.
Mode.
I dunno.

Nina (38:51):
Maybe.

Alex (38:51):
I think I intern.
You lost me.

Nina (38:53):
There's too much brain power required to, to too much.

Alex (38:55):
No, you talking about, I, I got confused myself while I
was saying it.
So obviously not enough BrainPower was utilized in making
that, that point.
But, um, yeah, bullseye ispretty cool too.
Um, I was actually thinkingabout King Eat Tree now.
This sounds like Super Cope.
I know.
I'm sorry.

Nina (39:08):
Oh, I know,

Alex (39:09):
I know.
But we've been had we've had alot of cards adding to the deck.
Mm-hmm.
And specifically you have like,oh, the Kang, the new Kangs and
you could do King Eat Tree andYo Costa and you could do like
Emoto and you could start justpulling stuff out of the deck.
I, it, it could be interesting,right?
But it's too always too slow Ithink.

Nina (39:28):
I don't know.
But you still, you have to, inthose decks, you have to draw
the jaa and king eye tree.
So I don't know about that.
But you know what would be superjuicy?

Alex (39:37):
Let's hear it.

Nina (39:38):
Lasher, Ooh plus Jocasta.

Alex (39:42):
That

Nina (39:42):
is pretty cool.
They activate your other cardshere.
So you'll actually activate thelasher without activating the
lasher.
Yeah.
So you will calculate Lasher'spower, not her own power, right?

Alex (39:54):
Yes.
The only challenge I see, yeah.
Use Lasher's Power Lash year.
I've been only, okay.
The only place I'm playing Lashyear.
I know you could play incerebral.
I've, I've been playing lots ofcerebral, but I, I've been
playing lasher a lot in, um,

Nina (40:05):
Nomura, in like

Alex (40:06):
Nomura.

Nina (40:06):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (40:07):
And you wouldn't be able to put your Costa unless you did
it after you did the Nomurapump.
But then I don't think you can'cause Nomura's not five.
No, you

Nina (40:12):
can't.
No, no, you're right.
Yeah, it's probably just toomuch.
'cause usually you can't justwin the lash location with
Lasher on its own.

Alex (40:20):
I like how you're qualifying it, like we're coping
a bit and I just finishedtalking about King Eat Tree and
you're like, oh, don't worryAlex.
But okay.
I have, I have a, I have a spicyone.
I got a spicy one and I, I'malmost, I almost didn't wanna
say this out loud'cause ifanybody does this to me, then
I'm going to delete the game.
But I was thinking about BlackWidow.
So you play Black Widow.
Oh no, you activate it.
No, that's, you play your Costaon top of Black Widow and then

(40:42):
you can immediately activate heragain.
Next turn and shoot anotherwidow's.
So you're denying two draws,which is awful.

Nina (40:49):
That's so evil.

Alex (40:50):
Yeah, it's disgusting, but I

Nina (40:52):
don't know if it's worth the investment.
'cause you're spending so muchenergy on a turn three and turn
four or turn four and turn five.
Setting it up.

Alex (41:00):
I know it's not, not, but it might be worth it.
Worth it.
It might be worth it.
But denying two draws.
And I was also thinking like,okay, but that's turn and four,
the deck

Nina (41:07):
maybe.

Alex (41:08):
Yeah, that's turn three and four.
But what if your turns one andtwos are also synergistic?
So like, what if you also haveother activates?
Like what if you're spiderhamming, like boom, that card's
useless.
Here's a the thing to your hand.
Boom, another card's useless.
Like you're doing all this stuffto just ruin their entire game
plan.
You

Nina (41:24):
know what I mean?
Yeah.
And do a corg and rock slide.

Alex (41:28):
Yeah.
Oh, you're

Nina (41:28):
not drawing your cards.
But if you are drawing yourcards, you're drawing rocks
only.

Alex (41:32):
Exactly.
So I was thinking about like,how else can you convo it so
that like other inexpensiveactivates go with widows.
Uh, widows kiss and block Widow.
So Widow's Bite, I should saynot widow's kiss.
That's actually

Nina (41:43):
so evil.

Alex (41:44):
It is pretty good.
I don't

Nina (41:44):
like that.

Alex (41:45):
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have brought it up.
I told you I didn't wanna bringit up, but I did anyways.

Nina (41:49):
It's also Mega Sentinel.
That's quite a spicy card.

Alex (41:52):
It's one of my favorite cards of the season, to be
honest with you.

Nina (41:55):
I once played it in, um, it was the one with the bar sin
bar sinister.
Oh

Alex (42:01):
wow.
And that was so

Nina (42:02):
juicy.

Alex (42:04):
Yeah.
C3.
Insane.
It was C3.

Nina (42:06):
Yeah, it was C3 and yeah.
Bar sinister.
That was so good.

Alex (42:10):
Well, yeah, Jossa, Costa's gonna go in C3.
Like you literally can use Omegasentiment and Yo Costa into c3.

Nina (42:16):
Oh my God.

Alex (42:18):
So cerebral

Nina (42:18):
is already too good I think these days.

Alex (42:20):
Cerebral.
Okay.
So a lot of people don't realizethis in terms of like straight
up point output.
C3 might be amongst like theabsolute biggest point decks in
the game.
Like if you, if you think aboutwhat happens when, like you bask
your cerebral mystique and thenyou have like everything else
happening with, even withBastion now.
Yeah.
Like the ceiling is so high,it's stupid.

(42:42):
Yeah.
Like those decks are crazy.
And so that's why I think insome respect, like second dinner
might have been right to notNerf Enc Chara too much because
I think we actually need ENCChara right now because cerebral
is one of those.
Like obviously it's gonna pissyou off.
Like you're gonna cue your firstcerebral game, you're gonna get
Monster Island and then likeyou're gonna tilt out.
Like that's what's gonna happen.
Right?
It's always the location screwednonstop.

(43:02):
But with that being said, likeit is insanely point centric.
Like actually going one V onewith cerebral feels awful if
they're not getting scammed.

Nina (43:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The only thing holding backcerebral is the locations

Alex (43:16):
a hundred percent.
But something has to hold itback.

Nina (43:19):
Or you can just, one mention is clog.
That's always fun and fight forsomething big to their side.

Alex (43:23):
Clog is fun for you, but not for them.
That's what they, but that's the

Nina (43:27):
point.
You know?

Alex (43:28):
I know.

Nina (43:29):
I, I don't want my potent to have fun.

Alex (43:31):
When I was taking Deadpools Diner too seriously at
the start where I was like, Ididn't realize how forgiving and
awesome it was.
I was playing clog.
Oh my.
I was having fun with it.
Then I realized, wait a minute,I'm getting all these nachos and
I'm already, I already gotdanger.
I already have all these cards.
Do I need to do this?
No, I'm just gonna play Kangover and over and over again.

Nina (43:51):
Yeah.
I was like that too.
At first I was playing know WTech Soup and I was taking it so
seriously, but then later on Iwas like, I'm just gonna play
aga Alpha and let the game playit for me without thinking.
Gotcha.
But usually a lot of time youjust honestly Snap, Snap and
retreat on turn four.

Alex (44:06):
Yeah.
Fi, fist bump

Nina (44:08):
games were like retreat

Alex (44:09):
later.
I did have some people, like alot of people, I don't think
they understood the, you bothretreat later.
No one loses.
Loses their, their bs.
I got scammed a couple times,but it's okay guys.
I'm not upset about it.
I still love you.
It's fine.
I, I've never

Nina (44:21):
scammed, I've never been scammed.

Alex (44:23):
You've never been scammed.
So maybe they're justintentionally scamming me.
They're like, yo, hate this guyRipped this guy's cubes off.
No, but I did scammed

Nina (44:29):
someone on, not on purpose before I found out it was a
thing.
It was someone from my communitytoo, and he's like, what are you
doing?
You're supposed to retreat.

Alex (44:38):
There was one dude who legit, I did the, we did the
fist bumps and everything likethat.
I did retreat later and then heplayed a card and I just lost
and he gave me the Miss Marvelthumbs up.
Oh.
And then he gave me theDeadpool.
Oh my.
I was like, you son of a gun.
He was the only one that did it.
I played so much Deadpool'sDiner, 99% of the people we
played against.
He trick you.
Oh, a hundred percent.

(44:58):
And just for this moment, he'sprobably listening right now and
be like, yes, I got him.
He's talking about, about thepod on the podcast.
He's, he's mentioning when Iscammed him victory, you know
what I mean?

Nina (45:07):
Yes.
You should get him reportedusing your, you know, second
dinner connections.
The ones you call up when you'reabout to play the game.
That's right.
I So you get the easier bots.

Alex (45:14):
I'm like, here's some more Dogecoin.
Get this guy outta here.
Yeah.
But uh, I guess the other thingwe gotta mention, technically
Warlock, if you hard skip turnfive in Acosta, it should hard
skip twice.
No.
Will it work that, that way withWarlock?
Uh,

Nina (45:27):
yeah, it will.
But you know, the opponent'sgonna pull out, uh, Mobius.

Alex (45:32):
Yeah.
I mean that turns, or

Nina (45:34):
they're all gonna hit She Hulk.

Alex (45:36):
You're having like, like legit Warlock.
Mobius.
P-P-T-S-D here.
Like

Nina (45:42):
I face Mobius so much playing that, uh, that card.

Alex (45:46):
Yeah.
It's like you, you just can't,you're like, no, Mobius is gonna
be a constant factor for yoOcosta.
I'm gonna come in four stars atyour with yo Ocosta.
What do you think?
What, what star rating are youthinking?
Oh, we're

Nina (45:53):
giving stars.
This is, is hard.
Mm.
I think.
Oh, I don't wanna be put thesame.
You're allowed to.
I don't wanna give her the samestar as you.
'cause you know, I wanna bedifferent.
I'm gonna give her 4.1.

Alex (46:08):
4.1.

Nina (46:09):
Is that a thing?
Can you do like it

Alex (46:11):
is now?
It is now, we're now working offof a hundred point scale.
We, we always try to not even dothe point fives, like the half
points, and then Nina coming inwith a 0.10.
That's like, no.
Oh, that's like when you're onjeopardy and you like, I'll do$1
Bob.
And you're like, I'll do$2.
And you're like,

Nina (46:31):
well, I don't wanna be too generous.
What if she is bad?
And then people will say, I'mstupid.

Alex (46:36):
Oh, that's just part of the fun.
Are you kidding me?
That's what 90% of the commentsare on all my videos.
You think I get cards right?
Come on now.
People, people know they're herenot for the correct take.
They just want a take.
Right.
Well, it's

Nina (46:48):
actually really hard to judge cards before they come
out.
I don't know what it is.
It's so hard.
As soon as you play it for a fewhours, you realize like how good
it is.
But before that, it's so hard togive an accurate review of it.

Alex (47:01):
And I mean everyone listening, you might think that
like you're really good atcalling the cards, but if you
were to get publicly shamedevery time you were wrong, you
would think differently.
If you were to feel the publicangst of everyone who's like,
bruh, you said that Warlockpre-release is gonna be a four
and now it's a two and I fullmode into it.

(47:21):
It's your fault Alex.
Like, ha.
Like literally it's happens.
It happens.
I'm sorry, but also, sorry.
Also

Nina (47:27):
it cars that weren't good when they first came out become
good later.
'cause they can get like buffedand also new cards that come out
to support them really well.
Do you remember?
Like, I feel like when we canfirst came out, nobody thought
it was that amazing, but he'sactually incredible now.

Alex (47:42):
Yeah.
Well Prodigy is a good exampleof this.
It's exactly what you saidbefore.
Prodigy, invisible woman, nowJoe Costa, like mm

Nina (47:48):
mm

Alex (47:48):
That card's doing stuff stuff, right?
And

Nina (47:50):
when like Jean Gray came out, remember how everyone
thought, oh my God, this gameis, this card is gonna break the
game.
Uh, it's a

Alex (47:56):
much what?
A trash heap card too.
Just awful.
I feel bad for Gene Gray,honestly.

Nina (48:02):
Yeah,

Alex (48:02):
but I think we should go to the new cards or not new
cards.
Those are the new cards.
I think we should talk about thetop cards of the month, because
I went through Untapped and wetook the entire month
statistics, infinite only.
And we're saying, okay, what arethe top cards of the month?
What are the cards people areplaying?
We're talking about popularity,and if you'd like, you can also
make comments about like, whatyou think are the best cards.

(48:23):
But talking about popularity, Ithink it gives you a good idea
of like what people are playing,what they think are good and the
most played.
One drop in Marvel Snap.
Mad Thinker.
It's, it's not Mad Thinker.
That card is terrible.
I tried to play Matt Thinker.
I'm like, man, this card sucks.
Uh, Nico Minoru, uh, coming inat number one at a 15.8% play

(48:46):
rate.
Again, these are untapped,infinite statistics over the
last 30 days.
Nico Minoru.
Nina, what do you think?

Nina (48:53):
Well, I'm not surprised.
She is very versatile.
You can pretty much stick her inalmost any deck and she'll,
she'll work there like even sheworks so well in Destroy as
well.
She works good everywhere andlike that's

Alex (49:04):
the problem.

Nina (49:04):
Zoo.
Yeah, she works in pretty muchany deck.

Alex (49:07):
Yeah.
So

Nina (49:07):
I'm not surprised at all.
She's just amazing.

Alex (49:10):
It was already well designed card, low key, a great
card for like Cerebro two aswell.
That plus two power, you give itto like Cerebro or whatever and
it's just like mm-hmm.
Hell yeah.
It's free real estate.
I love Nico Minero's design.
I think this is a fantasticallywell designed card.
This was like, this is one ofthe ones where they really
knocked outta the park with theway they designed it.
And I'm so glad that people havebeen so receptive of this card

(49:32):
because I've been someone who,like, when I'm talking about
decks and I do like budgetoptions, I sometimes include
Nico Minero in budget decks.
And people were like, Alex,that's not a budget card.
That's not a series three orwhatever.
But I'm like, no, but like,listen, I think if you're gonna
spend tokens, you canconfidently do it on Nico Nico's
one of those cards that youshould have in your collection.
And if you're like, I'm holdingtokens, who do I buy?

(49:53):
You buy Nico Monro.
Like this is a phenomenal cardthat's incredibly versatile.

Nina (49:57):
She's the new Jeff and what's it called?
Iron Lad.
Is that a card?

Alex (50:04):
Oh, iron Lad still exists.

Nina (50:05):
No, exactly.
But do you remember back in theday, I know, I remember people
asking me, what should I investmy tokens in?
And I was always confidentlysaying, oh, Jeff Iron lad, Cango
wrong them.
But now.
And Nico Minoru was the thirdone.
But now Jeff and Ala are kindof, poo.
But Nico, mine was still, I feelso bad.

Alex (50:24):
Like I feel

Nina (50:25):
bad for Jeff.

Alex (50:26):
Do you know what I feel like?
Yeah.
Like Jeff doesn't even make C3decks that often.
And I feel like with Jeff, thelast time he was seeing like
significant legitimate play waswhen Professor X was running
rampant in the meta.
Mm-hmm.
And the only other time was whenSandman got buffed because you
could play Jeff through Sandmanand like, that was the only time

(50:46):
I saw those cards being played.
Like this card being played.
Yeah.
I feel like it's completelyfallen off.
And I think it's not so muchabout Jeff.
I think it's because we've hadso much power creep at mm-hmm.
The two cost.

Nina (50:57):
Yeah.
We have so many amazing twodrops now.

Alex (50:59):
Yeah.
It's just Poor

Nina (51:00):
Jeff.

Alex (51:01):
Yeah.
Poor drop.
Bring

Nina (51:02):
Jeff back.

Alex (51:03):
We gotta bring Jeff back.
Well, how would you love him?
I's the cheapy variant?
Give,

Nina (51:05):
give him, make him a two five.

Alex (51:07):
Yeah.
Two five.
I think that'll

Nina (51:09):
be two five.

Alex (51:11):
Two five.
That is, that's a hot take Jeff.
Two five.
Think it's much.
Immediately becomes the bestcard in the game, I think.
No.
Crazy.
Well, I don't wanna

Nina (51:19):
complain.
I wanna complain.
I love Jeff.
He's so cute.
I

Alex (51:23):
think Yeah, I love Jeff too.
Of course.
I love Jeff, but I'm just sayinglike, I think the, you can't go
more than two, four.
Two five is insane.
The other card, that is the mostpopular one drop in the game,

Nina (51:33):
Nicholas is going to be Nicholas Holt.

Alex (51:36):
Wait, is this Nicholas Hood?
Did you say Nicholas Hood?

Nina (51:39):
Nicholas Holt.
Well that's not even his name,is it?
I

Alex (51:43):
don't know.
I don't know what the hood'sname is.

Nina (51:46):
No, the, well, he just passed.

Alex (51:49):
Nicholas Scratch

Nina (51:50):
you called.
Oh, is that his name?

Alex (51:51):
You said, who's Nicholas?
Mad Thinker.
You said before and then, yeah,

Nina (51:54):
this guy.
Oh, who's Nicholas Holt?

Alex (51:58):
Nicholas Holt.
I dunno, I'm not,

Nina (52:01):
I'm just making, I'm not sure who

Alex (52:02):
you're referring to.
Like maybe it's a, maybe it's ame thing.
'cause like, I don't know.
I don't know a lot of like theiroriginal names.
I think you might be makingsomething up.

Nina (52:11):
I, I made things up,

Alex (52:12):
but the hood

Nina (52:13):
comes in

Alex (52:14):
at 13.7% of the meta.
The second most commonly playedone drop in Marvel Snap.

Nina (52:20):
I hate the hood.

Alex (52:22):
Really?
Why?
Because

Nina (52:23):
whenever you see your opponent playing the hood,
you're like, ah, crap, they'regonna clog me.

Alex (52:28):
Oh, for sure.
Something.
But, but we put Victoria,

Nina (52:30):
uh, hand and you're like, oh, thank God it's not clog.

Alex (52:33):
Yeah.
Clogs pretty awful.
I, I agree.
But yeah, last time we did this,hood was number one and now Nico
was caught up.
So it's good to see a little bitof a change up now.
Do you wanna take a guess?
Now I'm putting you on the spot.
It's a little hard at who?
The number one, two drop in thegame is right now.
Oh, it's on the screen.
Oh, it's on the screen rightnow.
It's on the screens.
Surge.
Surge would be correct at an 18%win rate, not win rate.

(52:55):
18% Clear rate.
Oh wait,

Nina (52:56):
I was gonna say that's

Alex (52:57):
so low.
Yeah, that's really low.
It's actually a 51.2% win rateaccording to untapped last 30
days.
Infinite only, but surge as atwo one despite the ner.
Still is the most popular twodrop in Marvel Snap.

Nina (53:10):
Energy cheat is always gonna be strong.
And she's not just energy cheat,she's energy cheat plus power
increase.
Plus you can chain it.

Alex (53:18):
Yeah, no, I know.
It's actually a really coolcard.
It's actually one of my favoritecards.
I think they really knocked itto the park with this design.
Mm-hmm.
Really fun card.
Feels fair.
Also kind of not as susceptibleto Mobius and Mobius.
'cause like Yeah, you lose theenergy cheap, you still get the
power.

Nina (53:32):
Yeah, that's

Alex (53:33):
true.

Nina (53:33):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (53:34):
And then the second most popular two drop game, I'm
guessing game.
If you want, you can, this one'sa little harder, but you might
be able to get it.

Nina (53:42):
Not

Alex (53:42):
Shadow King.

Nina (53:43):
Is it on the state?
Is it on the, it's Victoriahand.

Alex (53:46):
It's Oh, it's not Victoria hand.
I can't, I actually can't seethe card.
Cozy does this all the timewhere he can't find the card and
I make fun of him.
But, okay, hold on.
Let me put him on the screenhere.
It's, it's, it's a man.
It, oh, you can't see him?
He's cut off.
He's cut off.
It's not fair.

Nina (54:00):
Oh.
Where.
Oh, Merlin.
Of course it's Merlin.

Alex (54:02):
Sorry.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
He was cut off on like the waythe screen is captured.
Like you couldn't actually see,so it was, it wasn't fair.

Nina (54:08):
Yeah.
So I could never have guessed.

Alex (54:10):
Yeah.
Merlin is a 13.4% card.
Uh, that's its play rate.
And honestly I love this card.
I think that this card is sowell designed as well.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I will tell you as someonewho plays lots of magic, Omni
universal presence is rough man.
Um, no, that's not the Yeah, itis.
Sorry.
I was like, that's not the one.
It is the one, it changes thelocation of the plus two and it

(54:30):
honestly does a great job oflike really modifying locations
and honestly even in cerebralwhere like they get, like
sometimes you get some luckyroles and some garbage locations
for them, like Zandar orwhatever, and you scam them.
Right.
And obviously of course withsomething like the hood, you can
once in future the hood intoyour deck or of course you can
polymorph it into a two drop.
I think Merlin is phenomenal.

Nina (54:52):
He's a great card.
He is the Nico Mine of twodrops.

Alex (54:54):
Yes.
Oh, I agree.
Super versatile.

Nina (54:57):
Yeah, he is.
But the thing that annoys methat once in, what's the
incantations called?
Uh, the one that shuffles intoyour deck

Alex (55:05):
once in future?

Nina (55:06):
Uh, yes.
That one.
Whenever I shuffle a card, Idon't want on the board, I'm
drawing in the next turn.

Alex (55:12):
You always top that gate.
I know.
It's like, oh, you kicked over arock with debris.
Check it out once in future andthen just get the rock back and
like, great.
Yeah.
I've, I've experienced that aswell, but I do think this card's
really cool and the pax border,for some reason it's super thick
on those skills.
You notice how like, thick theseborders are.

Nina (55:29):
Oh, that looks like a, a cupcake.

Alex (55:32):
Yeah.
This is the, do you look at ittogether?

Nina (55:33):
Do you see like, like the top?

Alex (55:36):
Yeah, it does kinda look like a cupcake, doesn't it?
But I mean, it looks like awhole bunch of different things,
but a but it, uh, it actuallydid you say, but

Nina (55:44):
a but yeah,

Alex (55:45):
it does look like a butt.
Great.
Now we're gonna get themonetized going to the three
drops.
It's, I, is it thunder?
It's not Fanta.

Nina (55:56):
Oh, it's Moby.
Oh, he is bloody Mobius.
Of course, it's Mobius.
I should have known

Alex (56:00):
13.6% and a very high win rate of 52.6.

Nina (56:05):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (56:06):
Um, Mobius and Mobius is everywhere.
Nina, I'll give you the floor.
Tell us about how much you loveMobius and Mobius.

Nina (56:12):
I do like Mobius actually when I play him

Alex (56:15):
that that's the spirit.
That's the spirit.
I like it when I, I'm allowedhave one opponent is

Nina (56:20):
not allowed to have fun.

Alex (56:21):
Yeah.
I, I can, I can feel that likeBing's last week was just like,
I hate this card so much.
I wish it didn't exist.
And I like how you were like, Iwish it just existed for me.

Nina (56:29):
Yeah.

Alex (56:32):
And number two, three drops.
But

Nina (56:34):
remember without Mobius, how crazy was Loc without
Mobius?
That was insane.

Alex (56:41):
I know again,

Nina (56:42):
would be crazy without Mobius.
You need Mobius.
It's like you need shine.

Alex (56:46):
It feels like it's an unnecessary, no.
Sorry, let rephrase that.
It is a necessary evil.
Yeah.
Just like people hated shachi.
It's like, well you take Shachioutta the game.
All of a sudden, like you justlike, you know, Wong blob into,
I don't know, taskmaster winevery game.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
And the game sucks.
It's like you need these, thesecards, you need these release

(57:06):
valves.
Sometimes they just can't belike, you know, where it becomes
difficult when you are, whenyou're able to use these cards
offensively and thenaccidentally use them
defensively.
Like, that's why I said withlike Pixie and Mobius, I want
Pixie to be a one drop so bad.
But if you're able to just putMobius in that deck, just'cause,
oh, it works for my deckoffensively anyways.
Mm-hmm.
And then it's just free realestate every time someone tries
to energy cheat you and you getto spank them.

(57:27):
Yeah.
So like, yeah.
The interactions are kind ofinteresting.
But yeah.
Mobius and Mobius, I feel likeit's it does come in and outta
the meta, like it does wane.
It's popular right now'cause wehave more energy cheat than
we've ever had.
Right.
But, uh, what really surprisedme was the second card.
That's the most popular.
I was expecting vivid visionbecause of the, usually the
season pass gets more play'causethe ambitions and stuff.

(57:48):
It's not the vision.

Nina (57:49):
Oh.
Can I guess.

Alex (57:50):
And yeah, sure.
But you have

Nina (57:51):
them on the have them on the thing first.
On the screen.
And I have to, and I guess fromthere,

Alex (57:56):
okay.
I can't because she's off to theside.
She's, I see her and you can'tsee her.

Nina (58:00):
Oh, again, this is rigged.

Alex (58:04):
Okay.
She is a demon child, darkchild, I should say.
Who?

Nina (58:09):
Okay.
I don't know.
Who is it?
It's magic.
Oh, I said demon

Alex (58:13):
child, which is wrong.
She yells.
Dark child.
Right.

Nina (58:16):
I should have known.

Alex (58:18):
Yeah, magic is currently running a 13% play rate, but a
win rate that is almost 5% underMoby's and Moby's.
Moby's was almost 53%.
She's 48%, which is kind ofcrazy.
Oh,

Nina (58:29):
cool.

Alex (58:30):
And maybe partially because of the popularity of
Merlin.
Just gonna throw it out there.

Nina (58:34):
Merlin.
I've seen a lot of Legion aswell.

Alex (58:37):
Yeah, because the, like the Strom decks are actually
kind of popular right now with10.
Yeah.
The A decks are

Nina (58:41):
running Legion and Hella decks also running Legion.

Alex (58:44):
That's inappropriate.

Nina (58:45):
I know.
That's just, that's too much,isn't it?

Alex (58:47):
If you're playing hella and you're playing Legion.
Come on.
I was, yeah.
May put mob on Moby in your decktoo, and make everyone hate you.

Nina (58:53):
That's the deck I used to hit Infinite before she got
nerved.

Alex (58:57):
Yeah.
Honestly, like I, you know whatcard?
I can't seem to make work.
I just wanna throw it out there.
I, every time someone brings uphella, I think about this card
too.
Uh, Morgan Lafa, I've beenwanting to make a good Morgan
Lafe deck for so long.
I can't figure it out.
It's a, it's a, oh, she doesndoesn't go into

Nina (59:09):
Hella Deck, I don't think.

Alex (59:10):
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that she goesinto Helleck.
I'm saying every time someonebrings up hella, for some reason
in my head, I picture MorganLafa.
Like it comes to mind for me andI want to figure out a deck with
Morgan Lafaye.
And I feel like I've not beenable to, like, I've been, this
is the card I try to cook withmore than any others.
Like when I'm just by myself, Itry and do something.
Mm-hmm.
And I've not come up with asolution for Morgan Lefay yet.

(59:31):
Someone out there is gonnafigure out a deck with this.
'cause I think that it mightactually be good.
It's just like an untapped cardthat like fell out of the
zeitgeist, like fell out of ourmindset and no one's cooking
with it.
I feel like this card might begood.

Nina (59:43):
I've only seen her in some destroy decks.
But I have a question.
Yes.
If you like discard a bunch ofcards, right?
And then you play Morgan Buffetand return them to your hand,
and then you dis discard themagain, say with Modoc, and then
you play hella, is she gonnabring back the buff cards

Alex (59:58):
you're cooking?
And I don't know.
I have no idea.
I never thought of that.
How would you even do that?
Is that'cause how do you,'causeyou would have to top deck hea
to do that, right?
Yeah.
Because Modoc would blow up yourHEA

Nina (01:00:12):
top deck.
Or you can use the old Invisiblewoman.

Alex (01:00:15):
Okay.
Leave this with me.
I'm gonna try and figure thisout.

Nina (01:00:18):
Don't, don't, don't try it.
It's not gonna work.

Alex (01:00:20):
Oh no.
I know it's not gonna work, butI kind of want to try.
Do you wanna take a shot at who?
The most popular Marvel Snap.
Yeah, you got it.
It's him.
Even post Nerf.
These are month long stats.
He's still running a 14% playrate.
He was at 22 and then he droppedto 11 during the Nerf timeframe.
Now he settled at 14.4.
Still a 50.5% win rate.

(01:00:42):
I've been saying for the longesttime, this card is overheated.
It's not as good as people thinkit is, but also very good and
very important.
I think why this card is sostrong is'cause it's a cube
Steeler because people be like,oh, Shaun, she doesn't exist
lull, and it's getting knockedout.
Right.
So like I understand thefrustration, but uh, yeah.
Sean's at 14% Nina.

Nina (01:01:02):
Mm.
He actually, his nerve made ahuge difference to, to some of
my games.

Alex (01:01:08):
Oh, a hundred percent.
I barely saw like, yeah,

Nina (01:01:10):
yeah.
Like the, um, you know the MOdeck?

Alex (01:01:13):
Yes.
I had

Nina (01:01:14):
like two giant Jeffs buffed up and my opponent was
playing.
Mill, I think.
'cause they're evil.
So they had the,

Alex (01:01:20):
oh, that's a deck.
I forgot even existed likeBaron's emo mill with cable and
everything.

Nina (01:01:24):
Yeah.
They had Fre, they played outFre.
So I was like, they definitelyhave Sh Chi, they're gonna shine
me on last turn.
So all I did is just put twogiant cards in one location.
They Shang one.
Sure.
But I still have the other one.
And Shang is only three power.
But yeah, the nerve makes a hugedifference.
That's just, and he's still inso many decks that just shows
you how good he was originally.

Alex (01:01:47):
So basically what you're saying is if we ever cue against
each other on ladder, thecorrect play for me is Fon
three.
And then turn six.
Hun shi into Grandmaster.

Nina (01:01:57):
No.
Ooh, that's, Ooh, that's nasty.
No,

Alex (01:02:02):
don't do that.

Nina (01:02:03):
Don't do that.

Alex (01:02:05):
Okay, so the next card is, again, one you can't see on the
screen.

Nina (01:02:09):
Jug.
No, it's not.

Alex (01:02:10):
No, no, no.
Jogger not, no, it didn't makeit.
But, uh, okay.
I'll give you a hint.
In her, uh, season pass variant,which is popular got, she holds,
she holds a cat on her shoulder.

Nina (01:02:19):
Gwenpool.
It is

Alex (01:02:20):
Gwenpool, yeah.
You got it.
Oh, it's a gpo.

Nina (01:02:21):
Oh yeah.
She's

Alex (01:02:22):
holding a cat.
This was a realization we made along time ago.
So, uh, one of the episodes Cozyand I did like, I don't know
when it was.
Mm-hmm.
He didn't realize that there wasa cat on her shoulder.
Like you thought it was hair,just Yes.
Look, that's a tabby cat.
I thought it was her hair.
So you're just like everyoneelse.
Yeah.
She's holding a cat.
It's not her hair.
Like, it's, it's one of thosethings where no one actually

(01:02:42):
pays attention to the variant.
Like, you can see the Tappy catlook at his face.
It's right there.
Oh my

Nina (01:02:46):
God, this cat just got a lot cuter.
Yeah.
I mean, this, this card just gota lot cuter.

Alex (01:02:51):
Yeah, actually Gwenpool does have really good variance,
but for me, I've always likedthis one here.

Nina (01:02:55):
Mm-hmm.
Uh,

Alex (01:02:56):
but yeah, Gwenpool at 10% play rate and a 50.6% win rate.
What are your thoughts onGwenpool?

Nina (01:03:02):
I like her.
Yeah.
She's kinda had a little bit ofa comeback, right?
Because at one point everyonewas playing Galata.

Alex (01:03:08):
Yeah.
And

Nina (01:03:08):
Galata just seemed like a better card, but then she got
unnerved and now Ples back ontop.

Alex (01:03:15):
Yeah.
Like, so both these cards wereused like almost
interchangeably.
Like you, they feel like they'retwo peas in a pod.
Mm-hmm.
Because you almost can play theminterchangeably.
Really?
Yeah.
But I actually like how they're,they're siphoned a little bit
in, in their design.
And I actually, when I'm, whenI'm playing, I often find myself
playing gwenpool over Galactolately.

Nina (01:03:31):
And I think it's because I thinking it's the type of decks
we're playing these days as I'mthinking about like that warlock
deck where you wanna skip aturn.
Like you don't wanna playgalacto, right?
'cause you're just wasting oneturn like her, her, uh, buff.
Whereas Gwenpool just gives youa lot more value.

Alex (01:03:47):
And the thing that I always go for, maybe this is the
greedy side, I'm like Galactoplus two un brood, or I gwenpool
and plus six on brood.
'cause it always hits where Iwant it to.
And then it just does like plussix on Surfer for some reason.
But I do like the two cards and,uh, it doesn't surprise me that
GW pool is the second mostpopular four drop behind Han

(01:04:08):
Chi,

Nina (01:04:09):
uh, even after her Nerf sugar.
Nerf as well.
Even after her Ner, yeah.
Yeah,

Alex (01:04:12):
even after her nerve.
And this is, that's actually agood lesson too.
I'm glad you mentioned that,because so many people, when a
card gets nerfed, they're like,this card sucks.
It's dead.
I'm never playing it again.
And then they just drop it.
It's like, bro, that card wasover tuned and it's still good.
Yeah, right.
Just like people not playingNerf, Sean Chi.
Like you think that the onepower made that much a
difference?
It's still chs man.
The place where it makes a hugedifference.

(01:04:32):
I think like the change toShachi is on like Nadal Valle
and some of the locations thatwere like, you would wipe out an
entire bors, like Muir Islandgetting bucked the whole time.
That's where I felt like hisdestroying all cards was a
little suss.
But for the most part, itdoesn't surprise me that, uh,
stronger remains the mostpopular card now five drop.
I think this is a very toughcall for you to make.
'cause this might be because ofthe tech thing that happened.

(01:04:56):
So all the tech cards gotnerved.
This was a recently post GhostRider.
It is.
Wow.
You're so fast.
I was gonna say I have it on thescreen this time.
Cosmic Ghost Rider actuallyended up seeing a ton of play, a
10.4% play rate despite aslightly negative cube rate and
a win rate at 48.2.
So the stats don't back up theplay rate here, but Cosmo Ghost

(01:05:17):
Rider was the most played, uh,five drop according to
popularity and untapped stats.

Nina (01:05:22):
That is interesting.
Yeah.
Not expect.
I mean it's probably becauselike you said, so many tech
cards got unnerved and therewere only a few that were left.
Um, untouched, like Cosmic GhostRider and Stardust.

Alex (01:05:36):
Stardust.
Oh man, Stardust.
Yeah.
That was a card that It is sofunny.
Stardust, right?
I was like, oh, this card's notthat good.
I don't know why people are soexcited about it.
And then I'm streaming and likeliterally someone with
Initiative on Turn six playedStardust and I was playing at
the bar sinister to win the gamefor eight cubes and I was like,
oh

Nina (01:05:54):
no.
I was like, no.
It's amazing how many cards itactually affects.

Alex (01:05:58):
Yeah, it does.
Honestly, Stardust has like oneof those really wide nets.
It casts.

Nina (01:06:03):
Yeah.
Where

Alex (01:06:03):
like.
It will absolutely rob peoplewithout, like, for me, I had,
there's no way I could haveanticipated.
It's not like I, Stardust was onthe field.
I'm like, I'm gonna play barsinister lll.
Like, that's not at all what itwas.
It was like, it played downfirst on turn six.
Like they, they got me good.
I was like, oh man.
And so like, yeah, Stardust haslike that capability, but also

(01:06:24):
it feels like when I've playedStardust, it has the echo effect
where, you know, you play echo.
Someone's putting Oh

Nina (01:06:29):
yes, yes.
I've seen so much stardustblindness.
Maybe people just don't realize,don't realize that he's, he
affects all these cards becauseit is not very clear.
Right.
What counts as adding cars tolocation.
Like, you wouldn't think thatplaying Blink maybe would be
affected by Stardust but it is.

Alex (01:06:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stardust has like a super widenet.
Uh, it wasn't the most populardrop there, but.
Yeah.
But yeah the, uh, tech changesdefinitely put Cosmo Ghost Rider
on top.
Now the other card, the secondmost played card at 9% play
rate, and uh, it's, it's gonnabe a card that is on your
screen.
Countable.
It's a starter card.
Oh, starter, starter card.

(01:07:09):
Is it Ironman?
It is Ironman.
And this is partially because Ithink of the Mr Negative you
were talking about before,right.
Mr.
Negative being a good deck.
And, uh, despite the Nerf twoMystique, Ironman remains
unscathed.
9% play rate for Ironman at uh,five.
I was just thinking about thistoo.
Imagine this was a card theyreleased today.
Double the look.
People go nuts.

Nina (01:07:28):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Alex (01:07:29):
This is such a good Marvel Snap card.
Like this is such a good cardand it's never changed.
It's been this since the startof the game.
That's

Nina (01:07:36):
true.
Yeah.
They never changed it.

Alex (01:07:38):
Yeah.
Well it's just

Nina (01:07:38):
consistently good.

Alex (01:07:40):
Yeah, it's always been consistently good and new
players need something to get upthere and that's in Iron Mind
compete.
I feel like

Nina (01:07:45):
that's one of the, like people's, a lot of people's
favorite character from Marvel.
Yeah.

Alex (01:07:49):
You gotta environmental a little love.
But, uh, let's go to the sixbefore, uh, this is turning into
a longer pod.
I think it's because we derailedso hard at this.
Oh yeah, we did in the

Nina (01:07:58):
beginning,

Alex (01:07:59):
the most popular six drop in Marvel Snap the last month at
11.8.
It, what'd you say, Galactus?
You would be correct?
No, well, not this.
Galactus Galactus First StepsOh.
Is actually the most playedMarvel Snap six drop the last
month.
According to Untapped AStatistics, I feel like I have

(01:08:20):
to keep qualifying the untappedbasis, uh, statistics part, but
11.8% play rate at a 51.6% winrate.
Uh, this version of G-Man seeinga lot of play, and honestly, I
like this card.
I think it's a cool card.
I, I really like the design.
It feels like the SanctumShowdown mini version.
Mm-hmm.
And I like it.

Nina (01:08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I didn't get to play a lot with it because,
you know, I was free to playwhen he came out, so I didn't
get to play him, him for a wholemonth.
But even after that, I didn'treally play with him that much,
except maybe in some weekenddecks.

Alex (01:08:51):
Yeah, he definitely goes great.
He can grow pretty big

Nina (01:08:53):
and I feel like he is a fun card, but you don't need to
have him, like, you can justhave like Red Hulk or something
instead.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Like he's just a big body.
Yeah.
But he does red huk pressure onyour opponent, yeah, he does.
He might be pretty good with Vvision, you know, because like
you put a car somewhere to startoff your Galactus growth and
then your opponent will try keepplaying there, and then you can

(01:09:14):
maybe sneak a few buffs with,um, with vision.

Alex (01:09:17):
Yeah.
It did surprise me that, uh, theGalactus first steps was the top
six drop.
And under it at 9.4%, play rateis not actually a six drop.
It's more expensive than that.

Nina (01:09:30):
Death.

Alex (01:09:31):
It's death, death here at, uh, eight 12 is the next.
And I think that's partiallybecause of, of Moira X, who I
think Moira X has been doing agood job in the meta as it turns
of destroy shell.
Now the Kon is back.
At the very least, people arestarting to play that again.
Also just throwing it out there,one of my favorite splits I
have.
Uh, this is now beautiful.
Oh, that's beautiful actually.
Yeah.
This is a real split.
Yeah.

(01:09:51):
I like this from a lot.
Yeah, that looks really

Nina (01:09:52):
nice.
That kind of like has the stepon me Mommy energy, though.

Alex (01:09:57):
I'm not sure what that means.
What step on me.
Mommy did I, did I just soundlike a really old man there?

Nina (01:10:05):
No, but you've never heard that phrase?

Alex (01:10:08):
No.

Nina (01:10:09):
Oh.
We must hang out at, in verydifferent corners of the
internet.

Alex (01:10:13):
I think we must, I'm mostly on, like, as I, I'm not
even joking.
I'm actually on the Costcosubreddit.
I'm on the Costco Canadasubreddit.
I don't even go to the MarvelSnap sub Reddi.
Oh.
'cause I'm pretty sure everyonethere hates me, so.
No, they love

Nina (01:10:26):
you.

Alex (01:10:27):
They love me there.

Nina (01:10:28):
They love you.

Alex (01:10:29):
Are you sure that doesn't sound right?
A hundred

Nina (01:10:31):
percent.
Yeah.
What you're, whenever contentcreators are mentioned, it, they
always talk very, reallylovingly about you and Regis and
Cozy

Alex (01:10:41):
and Nina.

Nina (01:10:42):
No.

Alex (01:10:43):
Come on.
What?

Nina (01:10:44):
I'm almost never mentioned.

Alex (01:10:46):
We got everyone.
Okay, we're going to Reddit.
We're gonna mention Nina inpositive words.
It's our mission to make surethat Nina is seeing some proper
representation on, on Redditthere.
I had no idea, honestly.
I just assumed.
I'm like, I think early on inSnap, I think I had like, people
kept sending me like, yo, checkout this post of how like
Garbage you are.
And I was like, thanks.
I was like, and I kind of gotthis like, maybe I should stay

(01:11:06):
away from that, that section ofthe internet.
And uh, maybe I should go back.
You're saying I should go back?

Nina (01:11:11):
You should.
They're really nice to youthere.

Alex (01:11:14):
Really?
Oh my gosh.
Things times have changed.

Nina (01:11:16):
No times have changed.
Yeah.
They, they, uh, and also, did Isay Dexter?
Yeah.
Dexter.
Cozy.
Yeah.
Dexter, Regis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The, the big four.
The big five.

Alex (01:11:27):
The big five.
But, uh, yeah, that, you knowwhat that's gonna do, that's
gonna take us to Snapchatmailbag.

Nina (01:11:34):
Oh, I'm excited to that.
'cause you mentioned somethingabout bowls, chicken bowls.

Alex (01:11:39):
Oh yeah, that's right.
I had, okay, so you guyswouldn't know this, but Nina and
I literally talked for like 45minutes prior to the podcast and
we should have just recorded it,but we didn't.
It was a lot of fun.
And you called me out on thechicken balls.
Now that was actually supposedto be the last question.
That was supposed to be thecloser, but because you already
brought it up, I may as well.

(01:11:59):
We may as well start with it.
Mm-hmm.
So, Zen Marley Mellow came inand said, I'm writing this
pretty late, and I don't know ifyou'll see it, but I recently
moved to the UK for universityand was excited to try out all
the different foods.
My family and I were scrollingthrough the menu of a Chinese
restaurant and I was so happy tosee chicken balls at the very

(01:12:21):
top.
They are indeed real and indeeddelicious.

Nina (01:12:26):
They are really popular in the uk.
The British version of Chinesefood is not the type of food I'm
used to at all because it'smostly just Hong Kong, like
Cantonese food, whereas I grewup in Beijing, so I'm more used
to like northern cuisine butyeah.
The chicken bowls are verypopular here.
Chicken bowls and sweet and soursauce.

Alex (01:12:46):
See, that's what I was saying.
I was saying the red sauce is sogood and Cozy was like, bro, I
don't talking.
It's red sauce.
Is it sweet sour sauce?
The sweet sour sauce is red.
Yeah, it's like red or orangey.
Oh, it's like fluorescent,right?
Listen, I always saying to putso much food coloring, you know,
it's just food coloring.
I know.
It's, listen, I know it'sgarbage.
I know it's garbage.
Even the chicken ballsthemselves, there's a little

(01:13:06):
piece of chicken and a ton offried batter on it.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Garbage.
Like I absolutely experience,but you know how like Exactly,
that's why it's good.
It's so bad that that's why it'sgood.
Like you're eating it, you knowyou're eating just absolute
filth, but it's so good and youcan't stop yourself and that's
why you keep eating it.
Right?
And I need to, to put some

Nina (01:13:26):
other Chinese foods, not just chicken balls.

Alex (01:13:29):
I need to try some actual proper Chinese.
I absolutely agree.
Like, yeah, I'm

Nina (01:13:32):
sure there's a lot of authentic Chinese restaurants in
Canada.
If you just go to one, send methe menu and I'll tell you what
to order.

Alex (01:13:40):
So many people have been like, yo, Alex, you're a
dumbass.
You live in Toronto, one of themost multicultural cities in the
world.
Find a proper Chineserestaurant, find a proper
Vietnamese restaurant, find aproper Mexican restaurant, find
a proper blank restaurant.
I'm like, you're right.
There's so much amazing foodaround us.
Because like in where I'm in,in, in Canada, we really do have

(01:14:01):
access to like the mostmulticultural society on, on the
planet.
Man, we have access toeverything.
And maybe I should actuallyventure all it.
Maybe that's a new YouTubeseries.
Maybe we start with like someIndian food.
You know what I mean?
Try a little food.
Food.
Look, all I do is eat Costcohotdogs, man.
That's all I do.

Nina (01:14:16):
That probably good for you.

Alex (01:14:18):
It's not good for me.
The chicken bowls are probablybetter for me, honestly.

Nina (01:14:22):
Mm.
I know.
Maybe actually, probably,probably.
'cause that's, you know, in themiddle of that deep fried stuff,
there's actual chicken.
Whereas what is hot dog?

Alex (01:14:31):
Oh, you just asked the question.
No one wants answers to

Nina (01:14:33):
what is in the hot dog.

Alex (01:14:35):
Again, you're asking questions.
No one wants answered.
No one wants to investigatethose answers.
We gotta move on before youbasically ruin my entire
cuisine.

Nina (01:14:45):
Well, I don't, don't, no.
I eat hot dogs all the time.
I love processed meat.

Alex (01:14:50):
But it's one of those things you're like, you know how
like people that work at TacoBell don't eat Taco Bell?
Hmm.
Do you know people who work atTaco Bell don't eat Taco Bell?

Nina (01:14:59):
Really?

Alex (01:15:00):
Yeah.
Don't they get to eat

Nina (01:15:01):
Taco Bell?

Alex (01:15:02):
Well, no, it's'cause they, they know what goes in the food,
so they're like, nah, that ain'tme.
So it's like, if you work at ahotdog factory, do you eat hot
dogs?
Like does it give you confidenceor does it make you realize how
awful it is?

Nina (01:15:12):
Oh, imagine smelling like hot dogs all the time.

Alex (01:15:14):
Yeah.
Like my buddy works at, uh, aNutella factory.

Nina (01:15:17):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (01:15:18):
And he, he loves his job.
I'll tell you that.
He always smells like chocolateand he gets tons of free
chocolate all the time.
To the point where he'll justgive us Nutella, like, like big
things in Nutella that we canjust eat with a spoon.
It's very healthy.
Oh my God.
I don't recommend it.
But, you know,

Nina (01:15:32):
Nutella is not chocolate.

Alex (01:15:34):
Come on.
Why?
You gotta ruin everything.

Nina (01:15:36):
It's hazelnut.
I know, but it's so good.
Okay.
Okay, good.
Okay.

Alex (01:15:40):
It's a chocolatey spread that I'm all here for.
We should.
Okay.
We got a couple actual MarvelSnap questions.

Nina (01:15:46):
Mm-hmm.
This

Alex (01:15:46):
has been, this has been a borderline deranged podcast at
points.

Nina (01:15:50):
You are welcome.

Alex (01:15:51):
Gary Prime says, as a free play player, I've been able to
buy all of the items in the shopat least once and got a ton of
emotes each refreshed.
This is in reference toDeadpool's Diner, I should add.

Nina (01:16:02):
Mm-hmm.
What else?

Alex (01:16:03):
This is how an event should feel rewarding and fun.
I hope that they keep it up, butI'm walking away from Deadpool's
Diner with a lot of emotes,variants, titles and borders.

Nina (01:16:14):
What's the question?

Alex (01:16:15):
I think it was just a statement about how much fun
they had in Deadpool's Diner,which I think we can agree was
fun.
That's

Nina (01:16:20):
pretty good to hear.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we agree withthem, right?
And yeah, it's, it's beenreally, really generous.
Un to the point where everyone'squestioning whether it was
intentional or not, which weagreed, wasn't

Alex (01:16:31):
it can't be.
Yeah.

Nina (01:16:31):
So don't get used to it, you know, much

Alex (01:16:33):
doubt.
Doubt.
Also.
That's exactly what we doubtsaid before.
Yeah.
Much

Nina (01:16:35):
doubt.
Any future event is going to beso generous.

Alex (01:16:39):
Yeah.
No, but hopefully again, we saidit before, that middle ground
between not even kiddo, mega,don't even do middle ground
there.
Just forget that ever existed.
Middle ground with Kid Omega andDeadpool's Diner.
Still too bad.
Like that's not good enough fordelete Deadpool dead.
Not, no, sorry, lemme rephraseit.

Nina (01:16:55):
Delete Deadpool's

Alex (01:16:56):
Diner.
Don't delete Deadpool's Diner.
Delete Kid Omega that neverexisted.
Only do Deadpool's Diner andlike whatever the regular high
voltage was and find that middleground.

Nina (01:17:08):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (01:17:09):
That's the dub.

Nina (01:17:10):
Do you know what I was thinking about the generosity
of, uh, dead Bulls Diner?
There's people who walked awaywith like hundreds of borders,
diner, like a hundred border.
Then compared to how hard wehave to work for two Borders
from Alliance Bounties.

Alex (01:17:29):
I know our, the one thing I've heard so many times, people
are like, yo Alliances, no one'splaying anymore.
Like no one, like my Alliance isdead.
Everyone's leaving the game.
And Alliances is one of thosethings where I see, like, even
on, on ours, like I like beenwith Cozy and we can see like
there's always people droppingoff and just not playing
anymore.
And it's kind of sad because alot of them are, like, their
user names in the game are thesame ones on Twitch and on

(01:17:52):
YouTube and stuff, and like

Nina (01:17:53):
mm-hmm.

Alex (01:17:53):
Like, oh yeah, they haven't played in weeks and I
actually haven't seen them.
It's actually sad.
Like there's, there's peopleleaving our community and, uh,
yeah.

Nina (01:18:00):
Yeah.
I've had to remove so manypeople from the Alliance because
they're just not active anymore.

Alex (01:18:05):
Yeah.
But I have someone

Nina (01:18:06):
who does single handedly, en enough bounties every week.

Alex (01:18:11):
I, we have one person as well that does that too.
So they're doing, uh, they'redoing the Lord's work, carrying

Nina (01:18:16):
the whole alliance.

Alex (01:18:18):
Okay, so I think it's Bill Overin asked the next question.
He says, remember back when Cozyand Alex reminded us on a near
weekly basis that Hope Summerswas the best card in the game.
Remember when Alex and Binks hadthis whole conversation about
energy cheat and Surfer shellsand compared, uh, Sarah and
Warlock and even mentionedJennifer Kale, but never brought
up Hope.
Summers the perfect puzzlepiece.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

(01:18:40):
I bring this up, Nina, because Iactually do think that Hope
Summers is a fantastic card, butit really does see no play.
Do you think it's being slept onor do you think that, uh, you
know, it's bad?
Like, well, what are yourthoughts on Hope Summers?

Nina (01:18:54):
I think she's been power craft a bit.
She was really good when shefirst came out.
Come, came out.
But now we have more cars thatcan give us extra energy.
Like Luna Snow, you get extraenergy straight away.
You play her next turn, you getextra energy.
And she's also a three drop,right?
And she's six power.
It's insane.
Hope Summers right, you play herout.
You don't get anything extrathat turn, next turn you have to

(01:19:16):
play things on top of her inorder to get the benefit.
So I think she's just been powercrept.

Alex (01:19:23):
That makes perfect sense.
'cause I do play a lot of LunaSnow.
Right?
I actually love Luna Snow.
I'm glad you made such a greatcall out there.
But what I'll say too is I wasthinking about this too before
and I was like, you know what?
I think it's also because KittyPride hasn't been as good in the
Met either.
'cause I feel like the Kittypride shells really like Hope
Summers as a form of energycheat, right?
Yeah.
'cause you can do something likeAngela Kitty Pride and Hope

(01:19:44):
Summers and Lane and just goboom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom.
I'm gonna keep popping off andyou can even play Jeff in the
deck like that, right?

Nina (01:19:49):
Yeah.
Um,

Alex (01:19:51):
but yeah, that's uh, I think that because those decks
got nerfed,'cause Angela gotnerfed, Angela used to do the
plus twos, right?
So she got nerfed.
I think that the Hope Summersand Kitty Pride stuff just kind
of disappeared.
And even with Thena, like youhad those shells with Thena
Kitty pride, Angela doing reallywell and now like you don't see
pride anymore, don't need them

Nina (01:20:07):
anymore.
Right.
You just have invisible womenfirst steps.

Alex (01:20:10):
Yes.
Yes.
It's just the simply superiorcard as we go to our last
question of the day, and it'sfrom, uh, I think it's Izer.
I'm not sure how to read yourname.
I'm sorry.
But the question is, oh my gosh,I didn't even realize this was
the question.
This is hilarious.
This was a really gooddiscussion about the bots.
They introduced the new botsright about when Kid Omega thing

(01:20:32):
happened, and I feel likeeveryone's underestimating how
much the bot experiencecontributed to the negative
backlash that happened at thetime, people were mad about the
implications of Kid Omega andthe economy, but at the same
time they were struggling moreon ladder in a way that was very
hard to quantify.
If you're not extremely aware ofthe ins and outs of how bots
work.
Nina, I was thinking about thistoo, and this, I know we should

(01:20:54):
really talk

Nina (01:20:54):
about the bots.
I don't think we talked about itenough.

Alex (01:20:56):
I don't think we talked about the bots at all in this
particular podcast.
If only we had, but also, didthey improve?
Is this just occurred to me likeright now?
Did they make the bots wayharder when they introduced the,
like the borders you get forgetting to infinite?
That's the exact same time,isn't it?
I don't know.
It's the same patch.
I, but I, because they made theborders and then all of a sudden
now the bots are crazy.

Nina (01:21:18):
Oh.
Have you spent any money onthose borders?

Alex (01:21:22):
Do I look like a clown?

Nina (01:21:24):
I don't know.
You bought that?
Uh, Groote.
Mote.

Alex (01:21:28):
Well, first of all, I am a clown, but also, no, I have not,
but I'm not above it.
I'll tell you, I'm not above it.
But no, I've not spent any moneyon those.

Nina (01:21:36):
Oh what kind of annoys me about bots is they're working so
hard to hide them.

Alex (01:21:42):
Hundred percent.
They're, well, they think theyhide the bots players.

Nina (01:21:46):
There's no way they can tell they're playing against the
bot.
No, they think they're playingagainst the players.

Alex (01:21:50):
I mean, other players, I mean, the very cynical thing, I
don't wanna say why,'causeagain, like I don't wanna make
assumptions or anything, but I'mgonna say that the better the
bots are, they look more likeplayers.
It helps the game look healthy.
Because if every game's againstthe bot, then you could assume
that there's not a lot of peopleplaying with you right now.
Is there?

Nina (01:22:06):
Yeah.

Alex (01:22:08):
That's what I would assume.

Nina (01:22:10):
Don't you think they put a lot of effort into hiding the
fact that boards are bots?
Like we could before tell fromthe collection level.
'cause the collection level isthe same as ours.

Alex (01:22:19):
Yeah.

Nina (01:22:20):
And that was always assessed, but then they changed
that, so it's even harder not totell.

Alex (01:22:24):
The other thing that's worth mentioning is you'd also
tell because like they wereplaying discard with like the
old Chavez, like the decks theywere playing.
Oh.
Oh my gosh.
I just realized something.
What?
There's something else we haveto bring up.
It's on my screen.
You can't see yet.
I need to bring it up.

Nina (01:22:39):
Okay.
Okay.
About They've actually buffedthe

Alex (01:22:40):
bots.
They buffed destroyer.

Nina (01:22:45):
That's true.
Wait, destroy is six 18.
Yes.
When did this happen?

Alex (01:22:49):
That just happened at the most recent OTA.

Nina (01:22:52):
Oh.
I don't really keep up withthose anymore.
Tell, you know, I used to makethose graphics every OTA.
Yeah.
I used

Alex (01:22:57):
to like you used to post 'em on uh, like Yeah, on like, I
was gonna say Twitter.
It's X.
Now I know what it's called, but

Nina (01:23:02):
I always call it Twitter.
And like they do them themselvesnow.
They copied it.
My idea.
So I'm like, I don't do themanymore.

Alex (01:23:09):
Wait, they stole your idea.

Nina (01:23:11):
They stole my idea.
Yeah, because they never madethem before.

Alex (01:23:15):
That's a damn shame.
Well, right second, you haven'tcalled out.
How dare you steal Nina's designimpact.

Nina (01:23:21):
My PC hack ORC stole your stuff.
Then you steal my OTA graphic.

Alex (01:23:27):
Insane.
Is there anything they will notdo to disrupt your content
creation?
But on that note, if you'reinterested in a really fantastic
content creator, may I suggestNina is new.
I'm not just making this up.
I think that she is phenomenal.
I think the content produce isgreat.
I think that she's incrediblytalented at the game.
All car games.
Yes.
No, you can cringe all you want,Nina.
But it is very important thatyou guys down in the

(01:23:49):
description, down in the pincomment, you're gonna see Nina's
socials.
I'm gonna link her Twitch.
I'm linking her YouTube, I'mlinking her, her ex.
Guys, you have to follow Nina.
And honestly, this has been oneof the most fun podcasts I've
ever recorded.
I want to tell you from thebottom of my heart, I'm so
thankful that you joined metoday.
Uh, thank because this was somuch fun.

Nina (01:24:08):
Do you remember, you know what I just remembered after you
talked about like my amazinggaming ability when we went to
New York for that creator um,tournament.
Yes, that's right.
We played against each other.

Alex (01:24:20):
We did.
I remember, yeah.
I was playing a devil dinosaurdeck.
And at the time I remember you,me too.
You beat me with a, with anarrow play.
Yeah.
I think we went like four Arrowwas so

Nina (01:24:28):
broken back then.

Alex (01:24:29):
Yes, I do remember that.
Me and I was

Nina (01:24:31):
so bad because when we were playing against each other,
I felt like I was so rudebecause I was, no, I was taking
it so seriously don't talk tome.
I'm trying to do this,

Alex (01:24:41):
and I'm like talking to you the entire time.

Nina (01:24:43):
And you were like so nice.

Alex (01:24:45):
No, I do remember that.
'cause you knocked me outta thetop bracket.

Nina (01:24:49):
Uh,

Alex (01:24:50):
because I, I won a whole bunch of games and then I went
against you and I lost, and Iremember it was like, we were
like, obviously we were doingthe new like battle mode or
whatever it was called at thetime.
And then you, I remember youjust arrowed my whole board on
my turn six.
'cause at the time, pulled allthe cards completely

Nina (01:25:05):
broken.
I lost to Arrow as well, so, youknow, she got me in the end.

Alex (01:25:10):
Yeah.

Nina (01:25:10):
Because yeah,

Alex (01:25:12):
that was such a fun experience.
And I remember like, we went tothat karaoke bar and everything
like that.
Oh

Nina (01:25:16):
yeah.
That was so much fun.
Yeah.
But you didn't sing, did you?

Alex (01:25:19):
I think, I'm trying to think.
I don't remember you singing.
I think me and, oh man, I don'tthink, I think I did once, I
think I did a Lincoln Park songlike really late in the night
with, uh, with Speci.

Nina (01:25:32):
Oh, maybe at some point.
Yeah.
I think,

Alex (01:25:34):
and I think everyone had pretty much left at that point.
I was like, okay, I'll do it nowthat no one's here.
I think we, I think we, uh, wesang in the end together or
something like that.

Nina (01:25:42):
That was so fun.

Alex (01:25:43):
I did the rapping part for what it's worth.

Nina (01:25:45):
Did you,

Alex (01:25:46):
I did.

Nina (01:25:47):
Do you rap a lot?

Alex (01:25:49):
Do I look like I rap a lot?

Nina (01:25:51):
Well, I don't know.
I don't, I don't wanna assume,especially I do not rap a lot.
He can rap and he can rap.

Alex (01:25:57):
Oh, Dexter was actually like legit good

Nina (01:26:01):
Dexter.
He wasn't there.

Alex (01:26:03):
Yeah, no, he, Dexter was on the official Marvel Snap
channel where he rap battledBen, bro.

Nina (01:26:09):
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
He was pretty good.
Yeah.
That, that, uh, trailer

Alex (01:26:13):
first turn on.
That's what I thought you weretalking about.
I couldn't quite hear becauseDiscord did the thing where
like, I talked over you so itmuted you.
So I didn't quite hear the name.
You said, I thought you saidDexter.
That's why.

Nina (01:26:22):
No, I said spec.

Alex (01:26:24):
Oh.
See, you said, I didn't evenhear that

Nina (01:26:25):
Specy can rap and Dara can rap.

Alex (01:26:28):
Oh, Dara is unreal.
And

Nina (01:26:29):
Dara doesn't look like he can rap.

Alex (01:26:31):
Dara looks like he can do anything in my opinion.
He's like, he's such a Chad.
What a specimen that guy is.
I tell you, it's, what a funnyword to use specimen too.
He is.
He was, yeah.
He was such a great dude.
We got, okay, we could reminiscefor another, like 45 minutes
now, just about that trip in andof itself.
Oh yeah.
But what we're gonna do is we'regonna end the pod because, uh,

(01:26:51):
it's like super late for you.
'cause you're like six hours,six hours ahead of me or
whatever.
In Europe.
Usually.
Usually I'm the one who's like,super time.
Oh, I thought they talk about

Nina (01:26:59):
borsch.
I, I'll tell you after thepodcast.

Alex (01:27:01):
Yeah.
You, I don't know what that is.
You did mention you had to cookBorsch and I'm like beetroot

Nina (01:27:04):
soup.

Alex (01:27:05):
It's beet rup soup.

Nina (01:27:06):
Beet beetroot soup.

Alex (01:27:09):
I've never, I'm not like beets.
Are those the red?
The red?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I know what bets are.
Bet soup.

Nina (01:27:13):
It's beet soup.
Oh, it's really good.
Soup

Alex (01:27:15):
farms.
The sh shrimp farms.
He has.
Yes.
Okay.
So I know what beets are.
That's my bad.
Mm-hmm.
I can't be that dumb.
But I appreciate you so much,Nina.
Guys.
As I said before, use thoselinks.
Get to Nina's social.
She's a phenomenal contentcreator.
Thank you for having, uh, thankyou for joining us.
I was gonna say thank you forhaving me.
Uh, you're on our show, butthank you so much, show for
joining me, my show.
Thanks for showing up.

(01:27:37):
We'll see you guys on the nextone.
Bye.