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Cozy (00:00):
What's going on guys?
And welcome back to anotherepisode of the Snapchat again
later here on a Monday.
Alex, how you doing?
My guy, I'm just getting off aflight.
I can't go into too much detail,but I, had a pop-up sponsorship
between like three of myfavorite current things for
sure.
Well, okay, now one of'em I justloved.
In general, you have Marvel.

(00:21):
Rivals And then Lego, I can't gointo too much with it, but it
was, it was fun.
For those that are in Miami,that's where I was at.
It was in New Hood, and my gosh,it was hotter than hell over
there, man.
Miami is a spectacle, lemme tellyou that.

Alex (00:35):
I've been to Miami when my wife and I first got married.
We start, I think we went on acruise, like a relatively
inexpensive cruise when we firstgot married.
And we, we went out of CapeCanaveral, I guess, which is in
Miami.
Right.
And, uh, I just remember beinglike, damn, it is so
unbelievably hot and humidoutside at the same time.
It's not just the heat, it's thehumidity.
Like the whole thing is likejust a, like a mixture, a recipe

(00:59):
for discomfort.

Cozy (01:00):
It's a, it's a recipe for disaster.
It it, but also a lot of fun.
Like I get why people enjoy it.
It was a quick one.
I flew what, like seven hours toget over there and then was
there for like, like a day andthen flew another seven.
It was rapid and fast, but itwas my first time get this'cause
the shout out to the sponsor myfirst time flying, first class

(01:22):
in my life.
And it was

Alex (01:24):
really,

Cozy (01:25):
it was something, dude, have you, have you flown first
class before?

Alex (01:28):
I said that like I do it all the time.
No, I'm flying coach all thetime.
Have you ever done it though?
Flown first class?
It's okay.
It

Cozy (01:34):
was my first time.
It was my first time, dude.
I did Cozy Snap.
No damn what it is.
My first time, dude, I was, Iwas blown.
I was, it was cool.
It lived up to it.
I gotta tell you, man, I got,you know, you get, it's real
silverware, you know, the foodyou always think like airplane
food gonna be bad.
Food was top notch.
It was.
Dang, good time.
It was great.
I had a good time and I was ableto like work a ton, uh, uh, on

(01:55):
my laptop and stuff.
Played a little, little scape,chilled out a bit on the flight.
It was, uh, it was fun, man.
But, uh, yeah, so coming backfrom that did, it was involved
with the Miami Dolphins too, so.
Big NFL guy.
Oh man.
Yeah.
Big NFL guy.
It's amazing.
Oh, it was so cool.
Got to meet a lot of awesomeplayers.
The whole thing was, was just,uh, just outta this world, man.
It was one of those like, Ican't believe this is happening.

(02:16):
But, uh, yeah, man, the, this,in between that and then comic
con's coming up and then I go toChina, so it's gonna be a, it's
a, it's a hoot and holler and ofa season over here.

Alex (02:24):
It's a very busy time to be a Marvel Snap gamer.
That is crazy, dude.
Um, I, it's, it's so funnybecause like, to give you an
idea, like, it's like Cozy.
It's like, here, Mr.
Snap, how are you?
Great to see.
Here's first class.
Enjoy.
Oh, you're Alex.
Go, just go sit on the toiletfor a bit, buddy.
You'll be all right buddy.
You just go.
I can, okay.
So first of all, the, the lasttime I was on a flight.

(02:47):
Where, um, I actually felt likeI was getting like more than
just normal service.
I was, uh, actually going homefrom San Diego, believe it or
not, and it was from TwitchConand I was sitting beside someone
and they were like, on multipletimes of the flight, they were
like, hello, would you like yourhere's your wrap and here's your
burrito, here's your candy foryour trip.
They kept getting all thisstuff.
Uh, they were like, Hey, like I,they're like, I honestly don't

(03:09):
mind this.
Do you want this?
Do you want, do you want these,this pack of candy?
Do you want this burrito?
Stuff like that.
I'm like, no, I can't.
They're like, no, I insist.
I'm really not gonna eat it.
I want to go to waste.
I'm like, well, sure.
I guess.
And they're like, yeah, I'm,they were like an executive for
Twitch.
Oh, no.
And they were getting all, andpart of their flight package
included.
All this stuff, but they didn'twant it.
They're just like, I just wannago to sleep, so if it comes,
just take it for me.
You, you're free.
I'm like, so I was like, this isbasically first class.

Cozy (03:32):
Oh, did I eat everything?
I eat everything that they gave.
Like, it's like, do you want,uh, these, like, they gave hot
nuts, man.
I didn't know I was a fan of HotNuts, but I am, um, a fan.
Yep.
No, exactly.
It sounds exactly what it soundslike, man.
I, I, it was like they're inthis little bowl.
They it was, it was fantastic.
But, uh, yeah man, it's a goodtime.
I got to play a lot of Snap too,which was cool.
Uh, because oftentimes I don'tget like six hours to just sit

(03:55):
there and, and chill.
Uh, and, and so that was, uh,that's I think obviously, you
know, we're gonna talk a lotabout today, uh, new car coming
out, but also like how Snapdoing.
The future of the Snapchat alittle bit and everything in
between.
We probably in the next, like, Idon't know, three to four weeks
are gonna be doing these kind oflater Monday episodes.
Just works out better in thesummertime and for casting and a
number of reasons.

(04:16):
So, uh, we're not late, we'rejust, we're right on time over
here.
But, uh, yeah, man, the heck ofa start of a season for Snap.
Lots of breakdown there.
Definitely a bit of a crazyweek.
If you're wondering why Alex's,uh, camera looks like he's
streaming from his calculator.
What's, uh, what, what, whathappened?

Alex (04:33):
I know it looks so bad and I'm like hoping it goes into
focus.
Like I'm like, why is it outtafocus?
You look less, less like usuallyI don't, dude.
I know.
I don't usually look as good asyou anyways.
Well, I mean that's just, let'sbe honest, right?
It's Snap stop the, the glaze.
Like usually I look kind ofworse anyways, and today it
looks way worse because my mainmirrorless camera is dead again.
It just died again.
It's the second time it's donethis.

(04:54):
So I've had to send him forrepair, the whole thing and Cozy
and I just, before the Snapchathe was like, you really gotta
like.
Get a new camera.

Cozy (05:01):
Dude, I think that camera's making you look like
the Thanos drag queen thingthough.
I'm telling you, you look, youlook less pink here

Alex (05:07):
and like this.
You mean like the white balanceis better?
Even though I'm not in focus, Igotta figure out like why am I
not in

Cozy (05:11):
focus?
It, ah, you look great.
I, you know what I have to saythough is, uh, I love that
video.
You did the fantastic car one,uh, from the lake.
That to me, man, that's thefuture content.
I think you should do that moreoften.
I think that's like way more.
I don't know.
I watched the whole thing and Iwas glued to my camera looking
at your beautiful face.
But I just think it was a coolformat, especially for like
conversation pieces and stuff.

Alex (05:33):
You know what, I, I appreciate that you say that.
I think with, uh, with so manythings coming, uh, with Snap and
everything, I, you know, I, Icreate content'cause I, I really
love it.
I really do love it and I don'tknow what my life would be like
without content creation.
And I kind of wanna reinventmyself a little bit and see if I
can have some fun and do someunique things.
I'm, I'm really glad you saidthat because.
Maybe I can get back tosomething like that.

(05:54):
Go outside the box a little bitand, uh, try to experiment in
the future on, uh, on YouTube orTwitch or whatever it happens to
be.
Reinvent myself the way CozySnap and Cozy Rivals has such
done, right?
So anyways, buddy, that reallymeans a lot to me.
Thank you.
And I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Cozy (06:07):
Of course, man.
I try to, again, I had a lot offree time too.
I was like, I was bangingthrough stuff I never get to,
never get to do, bud.
But we know what we're talkingabout over here.
Alex, what are we talking abouton your side of the Snapchat?

Alex (06:17):
Cozy on my side of the Snapchat.
Pretty straightforward here.
We're gonna talk about the se,uh, series five cards that came
out this week, including Herbieand of course, Mr.
Fantastic.
We're also gonna be talkingabout Fantastic Car, the
E-Series four card that cameout, uh, via the super premium
season pass.
We'll be discussing thatsituation a little bit, whether
or not, you know, it's, is itworth it, is it good for the
game and et cetera.
We're also gonna be doing theSnapchat mailbag, as always.

Cozy (06:39):
Man, we'll hop right into it.
All the, a lot of the fun stuffI wanna say about the cards so
far obviously gonna be on yourside.
Oh, look at that.
That look, guys, this is how,you know, we're just, we're
running, we're running fast andloose over here.
How did I not, uh, there we go.
Bam.
Look at that on the fly.
And I put Hebe.
Oh, it's, it's a great day to bea Marvel Snap player.

(07:00):
But no, um, over here, man,we're talking about.
Just like a checkup on MarvelSnap a little bit, and then the
future of the Snapchat.
No doom and gloom.
I, I feel like every time I putthat on there, people are like,
ah,

Alex (07:11):
but uh, I also didn't know we were talking about this till
this exact moment either.
Exactly.
So just know that like, I don'thave like a long list of like,
for the future of the Snapchat.
I like it.
We're going off the cuff baby.

Cozy (07:19):
I like making Alex have no notes.
He's a very proficient notetaker over there.
Um, but yeah man.
Let's talk.
Okay, so let's talk about humantorch.
Uh, now that we know more aboutthe card and just how cracked
this seems to be, I mean, thisfull season so far is looking
like a good one.
I mean, between the first threecards we've had, those are all
pretty dang good.
Like even at just like theplaying on the plane, I was

(07:41):
like, okay, so these arecracked, right?
So in general.
With humid torch guys, he's athree cost, two power card in a
turn game plus one power.
So you play him down on curve.
Nice little three five, right?
But once per game, if your sidehere is fully doubles, that
card's power.
So great potential of what?
A three 10 in just standardplay.
If you play him on curve,obviously play him late.

(08:03):
He's gonna be a little bit less,uh, you know, impactful.
But Alex, before we jump intothe specifics, what's your star
rating?

Alex (08:10):
You know what I'm sticking, uh, with my 4.5.
I think this is a really goodcard.
It was near the top of theseason for me.
I almost gave it number one lastweek, even though I decided to
go with the Invisible Woman.
Um, I think this card'sfantastic, man.
Yeah, for sure.
And the reason why, you know,it's gonna absolutely just clap
cheeks is because.
So essentially, dude, the Mr.
Fantastic has alreadyrejuvenated, like Surfer, Surfer

(08:32):
already just banging.
And now this is directly gonnago into that.
You know, it's like an alreadygood deck's gonna get better.

Cozy (08:37):
Uh, people gimme crap for, uh, a number of reasons and, and
I love it.
I'm always here for the crap,but it's, uh, like, oh, you
don't play Snap, whatever.
If I, I am pretty spot on, Iwould say for someone who, quote
unquote never plays with, withhow some of these cards are
gonna work out.
And especially when I didn'thave time to experiment a lot,
but.
Fantastic and Surfer it.
It was so natural together andthe, we kind of talked about

(08:59):
this, the scaling of the month,like it's only gonna get better
and better.
That deck specifically is justgoing to get better and better
as well.
Right.
There was a number of decks thatended up doing well, but you put
in now, Mr.
Fantastic.
Which it was so tough to talklast week about some of these
synergies'cause we had to talkabout each card.
Right.
But then like.
How much each one enables.
The other loved Mr.
Fantastic.

(09:20):
I gave him a five, 4.5 for him,I think is definitely fair
because, uh, as a standalonecard, right on curve, you have
just a good value card.
Like crazy strong, like, I don'twanna say Serer, but the
threshold that you have to hitto get him in that high power is
pretty.
Pretty standard, pretty easy,especially by playing him on
curve, right?
So he is that serer level ofsomewhat power.

(09:43):
But Serer didn't belong inSurfer, right?
Like we, we kind of, we knewthat he had his one deck.
What's so great about Surfer isthat you can flex in different
cars, different styles,whatever.
Now you have a car thatamplifies that even more so that
can carry a lane verticallyagain with other cards, and it
all synergizes with Mr.
I think Surfer is just like,it's bound to be just carrying

(10:03):
meta now for a while.
It's just such a strong deckthat has even more, uh, you
know, ahead of it.

Alex (10:08):
This has been one of those moments where I'm like, damn,
Surfer is in such a great spot.
And not just'cause of the humantorch.
We've had like this disruptionbased Surfer with Gladiator and
even stronger in there withFenris doing a lot of work
lately, which has been reallycool.
Beautiful Cook.
And then now with Mr.
Fantastic, alongside somethingHuman Torch, you have this
additional power generationthat's just insane.

(10:29):
And what I like about HumanTorch is obviously you get, if
you do like Mr.
Fantastic on on two and then youdo a human torch on three.
That's fine.
You can play the on three, youcould play the on four.
And because of, and of course,min maxing wise, you're gonna
want this out early.
I understand that because ofthat end of turn, power
generation.
But if worse comes to worst,like you could still play this

(10:49):
late and get a decent enoughbody, right?
Like it's not gonna be poppingoff.
But what if it gets hit by Mr.
Fantastic.
What if it gets surged?
What if it gets nakia orwhatever?
Right.
It could potentially use that,like that fill thing to pop off
a little bit

Cozy (11:03):
without question.
We used to play Surfer and havelike, okay, we hope we get
brewed into blank, right?
But then it was like, well, if Ijust remember like even way back
I was like, okay, I've had thisrogue that couldn't hit
anything.
I guess it's a body to get theSurfer bonus.
Like think about in terms oflike way back what we used to do
there.
Like that is, this is alwaysgonna hit that in that regard
and shung chi proof in the senseof it becoming that huge power
later in the turn, right at theend of turn if you wait for that

(11:26):
last pop-off bit.
And so it has that building forit.
It wants to have boosted power.
It's getting all that from notonly Surfer, but a number of
cards in the deck that can givethat as well.
And then with, you know, not togo into Mr.
Fantastic, but one of the thingsI, why it was an easy fi for me
is like there's so many carsthat he enables to be played
sooner.
That just is so good thatcontinue to synergize Surfer

(11:47):
being obviously a, a, a bigshout out with that.
So yeah, definitely love thisguy.
Now I will say one of the thingsI ran into.
Is what we said about, so the soon decks where it's like, man,
when you get too many cars atthe same cost, it can be a
little sticky.
Surfer O obviously can avoidthat a bit more, but like, not
all these fantastic cars aregonna be able to fit together.
Just, it's just gonna not workout that way.

(12:08):
And what was once superflexible, Surfer is getting more
narrow because you're havingcars like this that are becoming
now a must include.
Right?
And so yeah, you can go off thebeaten path a little bit, but
you are putting yourselfslightly at a disadvantage if
you don't have, you know, someof these cars obviously.

Alex (12:22):
Funny.
Do you think you mentioned thatbecause it's almost like when
Surfer wasn't quite good.
You could put anything in there.
Like you could respond to themeta in a way.
You could run Killmonger Nova,you could just run Killmonger to
take things out.
Actually, that's what the moremodern decks do.
They have fenner.
They have Killmonger with no onedrop.
So you can wipe out their onedrop at a minimum and bring it
back, for instance.
Right.
And then now you're right.

(12:43):
As things get tighter and the 12cards you need to make a deck
become much more refined.
Then all of a sudden, like someof those flex plays suddenly
can't be.
Played right, like I have notseen a Hope Summers in the
Silver Surfer deck in thelongest time.
Hope Summers used to be prettygood there because you could
play something like a HopeSummers.
Then on turn five you play yourSarah.

(13:04):
Suddenly you not only do youhave the Sarah effect, but you
have the extra energy, whichallows you to do like three
drop, three drop.
Abs man.
But now with Surge, Mr.
Fantastic.
And others, you don't even needthat combination.
So that card's been power crypt.
I mean, as a whole, like it'scrazy to think this Hope Summers
doesn't see plague as good asthat card is.
You're right.
Silver Surfer is gettingtighter.

(13:24):
That is, uh, it's, it's kind ofsad to some degree, but I'll
never be upset about a Surferdeck being meta.

Cozy (13:29):
Yeah, no, I mean, again, if you've just been playing
Surfer forever now, like you'vebeen set because like there's
been the same staples, likeobviously a brew, Killmonger,
whatnot.
Uh, but then ever since likeNeonic being good, you have that
juggernauts always just like astandalone good card.
Like you have cars that aregonna be able to flex in.
Uh, have the same value as ofthe cars.
'cause they bring a differentsurprise factor and the less
they play, the more surprisedthey are.

(13:50):
Right.
And then you could, you know,obviously copycat and like the,
the boomer bust of that card.
There's so many vertical winnersnow for this deck.
It's, it, it, it just works outso well, especially with what
this card has to offer.
Yeah.
I think this thing has the worldahead of it.
I think this is a very good car.
Not to mention obviously thefantastic cars just.
Just a, that's a good card.

(14:11):
So when you have that type ofpower behind it too, it can also
work out a Surfer.
You can put it into other deckstoo, where you know it's gonna
benefit.
I guess, again, not to go intoTA card too much, but do you
think that this can find itsway, I may, maybe not the EVO
decks or whatever, but like, canit find its way into decks with
that?

Alex (14:29):
I am not sure.
I don't think I don't wanna saythis because then it's gonna
like force into reality.
I don't know if fantastic artcould replace the likes of
Gwenpool or even the NerfedGalata or stuff like that in
those Surfer shells.
No outer Surfer,

Cozy (14:46):
outer Surfer.

Alex (14:47):
Oh, outer Surfer.
I thought you're referringspecifically to Surfer.
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Like I think there's definitelypotential there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry, I thought you meantSurfer specifically.

Cozy (14:54):
No, yeah.
I, I think, uh, I think for sureyou're gonna wanna just Yeah.
Go with Galata and then if notthat Gwen Pool has just been the
staple in there.
But, and not to mention, man,it's just like this card, the
fact that it doubles.
When you have now Reed, justbeing able to give, like,
there's, so I think we said thislast episode, it's like there's
so many more cars that givepower now that if this came out
two years ago, it wouldn't bethat good.

(15:16):
Like it just, it, it would be,it would be good because it's
Surfer, but it, you know what Imean?
Like there's so much moregalactic, g, wind pool, reed,
all those easily give power.

Alex (15:25):
Dude, I, I mean, if we were doing like, kind of like
our favorites of the month sofar type thing, which I love
doing, maybe we'll do thatanother week.
Like my two drop would be Mr.
Sinister and you're like, Alex,that's crazy.
Why are you talking about Mr.
Sinister, all these buffmechanics that we've been
getting.
We got Reed Richards, we got, wegot, uh, Gwen Pool.
All these I've, I'm droppinglike.
Like 12 power effective Mr.
Sinisters.

(15:45):
Like it's crazy, right?
Like it's not hard to generatemassive power and Marvel Snap.
And the thing I love about humanTorch as well is you get this
out on three, it starts tickingup the power.
It's not like a Wolf Spain whereyou gotta plate it into a full
location.
You could fill the locationafter and get, its double up in
power.
So like that's easy with brood,it's easy with like other types
of things you can do.
So like, yeah, I think this isan absolute.

(16:06):
Banger card bang card.

Cozy (16:07):
A year and a half ago, Patriot Surfer was, was going
crazy.
And that was still with Mr.
Sinister still absorbing man,still brewed.
And that was back then, right?
So it's like now you combine allthat with what's now and Yeah,
it's, it's through the roof.
So human torch, I think Ipersonally think that the, you
know, if you got the seasonpass, not the plus one, but if
you just have Mr.
Fantastic.
And this, you're probably set,like there are, the rest of the

(16:30):
cards are good coming out, butlike the, these two together are
gonna just be such a wabo comboto win you plenty the season.
It's Surfer, so it's superflexible.
I do think, dude, I thinkthere's a world, this thing goes
down to 3.1.
That's why I put as, it may betoo hot.
Like it just feels like there'salmo, there's just zero downside
to the card other than playingit late.
But even then, you still havethat potential to get a value
out of it.
So I, I would not be shocked ifthis thing gets flamed off a

(16:52):
little bit.

Alex (16:54):
That's, it's such a tricky thing.
'cause like a two, like changingit to a three, one is actually a
massive Nerf.
Mm-hmm.
Just like moving, like GladiatorOne power additional was such a
huge buff because it double dipson its power, right?
It allows it to trade moreeffectively.
This is similar when you havethis doubling effect, every
additional power you start withis very impactful because of the
double right.
It double dips on its power.

(17:15):
If they were to do that, I thinkit'd be, it would be rough,
however.
I wonder if like, do you changeit to a two one, but then you're
competing with Reid Richer surgeand everything.
Nice.
Irrelevant really, I think.
I think it's actually good thatit's a three drop.

Cozy (17:27):
Yeah, it has to be a three drop.
I want it to be a three drop tostay as that.
I just feel like it's alreadysurfer's already at like what a
60 plus percent win rate withoutthis card in there and that's
gonna go up even more with it.
And there is some flexibilitythere, you know, of what you
want to get rid of or what haveyou.
So.
We'll, we'll have to find outwhen this thing comes out, but
this is definitely looking,looking pretty solid.

(17:48):
Anything else to wrap up thisconversation before we go into,
uh, our Marvel Snap checkup?

Alex (17:53):
Not necessarily.
I do think it's gonna be goodin, uh, zoo.
I believe I mentioned thatprior.
I think that it has potential tofill there.
Uh, obviously surfer's a verynatural spot for it, but to
straight up passive power,wanting to have locations full
things like ultra decks do thatvery naturally, uh, thing.
And often, like Tron, you couldplay this on three honestly and
still have time for Lars andPatriots and stuff like that.
I also thought about like, thishas a bit of cope from my notes,

(18:15):
but I was like, huh, what if youtried something like a prodigy,
right?
You prodigy this card, you startwith higher base power, it picks
up as well.
Then you fill it with with Tronor something like that.
Then boom and it's like huge ontwo lanes.
'cause you got your Tron lane,you got the Prodigy human Torch
lane.
I don't know, I was thinkingabout it.
I think that like starting witha higher base power of Prodigy
could actually do some cooksthere.
But overall I think this isgonna be a fantastic art.

(18:37):
Like it would be very shockingto me if.
This underperformed.

Cozy (18:40):
I like the idea zoo with it too.
Just filling lanes quick.
Gilgamesh like you there,there's a lot of synergy that
can happen there with powerboosted stuff.
Potentially.
I all, this is not gonna be asgood as surfers.
So like this is more likedipping into the fun stuff, I
think.
Right?
Like it's pretty obvious when meYeah, when we get to that.
Um, but yeah, man, four and ahalf card.
This is probably, I don't wannasay it's like my card of the
month'cause we've already giventhat to others, but like mine

(19:01):
was Reed, right?
So Reed is obviously you alreadygot that.
So this is definitely the onethat I would pull and it's
early, that's the thing.
You, you gotta pull it early,especially if you've been
keeping up with the cards, youhave so much better shot to grab
it.
So that's my review there onHuman Torch.
Let's do a little checkup, man,on Marvel Snap.
So I wanna open up with, I wastalking to some of the players
of the Miami Dolphins, bro.

(19:22):
Okay.
These guys are making millions,right?
Millions.
No, no, no.
This is important.
And I was talking about they'reMarvel fans, right?
We're talking about gamingMarvel in general, and we were
talking about rivals, we weretalking about Snap.
And funny enough, I was like,yeah, I don't think you'll know,
but you know, there's a gameMarvel Snap.
Like, did you.
I happened to play that at all.
And one guy played magic.
He's like, oh yeah, I playedMarvel Snap like a lot.

(19:42):
I was like, oh, did you stopplaying?
And he is like, yeah, I got tooexp expense.
It got too expensive for me, iswhat an NFL player had to say
about Snap.
And in that moment I literallyjust cackled.
I was like, wow.
And obviously this guy canafford whatever he wants.
So like that's relative right tothe person.
But like you desensitizeyourself when you continue to

(20:03):
play something right?
And you're kind of, there'ssunken fallacy in it and there's
like, oh.
A$10 card and we'll get intothat more with the fantastic
card, but it's like, oh.
It's like, it's only 10 more do,and it just you, you cope with
it.
Right.
And I think when we did thatepisode about, uh, with Regis,
it's like, man, the biggestthing I said is like, go look at
your spinning.
And it's pretty obvious, youknow, how, how out of control it
can get.
And so when that was said, it'slike, man, if that's a, a, a

(20:25):
segment of, if that's astatement that he would say,
it's like the general pop.
It's gotta be 10 x that.
And th that's not, all where Iwanna take this conversation,
but I thought that was like aninteresting opener.

Alex (20:38):
No, for sure to hear that.
Like someone who makespotentially hundreds of
thousands to millions ofdollars.
Um, even if you're at like,let's be honest, even if you're
at league minimum.
You're doing pretty damn well inthe NFL right.
And, uh, snap's Too expensive.
It's kind of crazy.
But it also, like, it goes toshow you just how expensive this
game is.
And it's almost made me wonder,have you ever heard of the old
saying that like, if you get a,if you get a frog and you throw

(21:00):
it in boiling water, it'll jumpout.
But if you put the frog in warmwater and then slowly boil it,
it'll just sit there.
Basically the idea that like youalmost become accustomed to the
cost of things, the frog andalmost desensitized.
And I think that as Marvel Snapplayers, we almost get
desensitized to the cost of eachindividual card itself.
And, um, the idea that, youknow.

(21:23):
I don't know, like Kid Omegacost like a hundred dollars or
just trying to be collectioncomplete.
Like you really, it'sprohibitively expensive and
that's kind of wild for adigital card game.
It is crazy to hear that NFLplayers like, yeah, it's too
expensive.

Cozy (21:36):
Well, it's like Disneyland prices.
You get in there and you'relike, oh my gosh, it's, you
know, it's$10 for a soda.
Oh, at least the water's only$6.
You know, we're still paying$6for a water bottle.
You know, so it's like, it's thesame thing.
Yeah.
It's like when you're in anecosphere of that, you compare
it to relativity.
Or it's like, I don't know ifyou've seen the whole science
behind like small, medium, largeand how medium's always like,
you look at the differencebetween small and medium and the

(21:57):
gap from that, from medium tolarge.
Like there's science behind thatand, and to try to get the brand
to be like, oh, there's value,but it's in its own ecosystem of
value.
Right?
Uh, so that being said, what Iwanna think about is like guys
obviously.
You know, I'm always thinkingabout, and Alex's too is just
content in general and I madeshift to rivals.
Yes, definitely.
Created a lot of content there.
Things are going good and doingcasting and whatnot, but you

(22:19):
know, I've gotta look atanything I ever put my time to
and like, is this making sensefor me?
At the end of the day, I'msupporting my family.
That's gotta be number one.
And am I having fun?
If I'm not having those, ifthere's one of those things
missing, I gotta evaluate.
If there's two, I'm done.
So looking at this, it's like,well, how does Snap get back or
even stay on.
Subtle ground'cause it's beenstaying level, right?

(22:41):
Like at least there was likelevelness to it.
Now there's dip like period callwhat you want across content
across, and there's been dip.
Okay.
But like way more noticeabledip.
Okay.
And when there's dip, it doesn'tcome back.
We've seen that history repeatitself too.
We've seen that now for a coupleyears.
There hasn't been a feature, athing that has brought them
back.
I think.
I do truly think if there was aa, a mode that was new.

(23:03):
That had enough in ingenuity andgameplay.
Like a draft mode.
I know we mentioned I think thatwould that could be something
tied with marketing that couldget people back.
But other than that, it, it's avery tough thing to do.
So my worry is like, it's, youknow what it is, bro.
It's a conversation.
It's funny between these twogames, so like, wow, Inscape,
okay, so people are leaving.
Wow.
Because World of Warcraft.

(23:26):
Has like, almost like theservers are about only like a
year until it's like, okay, it'sback to vanilla.
Wow.
Again.
And people go to scape becauseyour progress, they know it's
gonna last a long time.
And they're, they're kind ofputting their investment into
something that has a long shelflife.
Okay.
But then when you look at whenyou look at, wow, people don't
wanna put their time in thatbecause it's so short lived.
Right.

(23:46):
So with Snap it's like,obviously new players have their
own thing to go through, buteven people that have been
playing, it's like.
People are gonna be lessinterested in playing because
they almost are looking at it asa sink and ship.
And it's like, well, do I wannaeven put more money, time,
effort, talent, all that intothis game?
And that that's what has meworried.

Alex (24:05):
Oh, that's absolutely like the perfect way to kind of
encapsulate what this issue is.
Um, there's this idea of likethis sunken cost where people
will like, continue to invest insomething even though like they
should probably stop, right?
Obviously that's a psychologicalthing that's much more complex
than that.
What I've seen lately has been amassive deviation from the norm.
We're seeing way more drop offfar fewer players interested in

(24:27):
Marvel Snap as a whole, and Ithink that it's just, there's
been though that that straw thatbroke the camel's back, as they
say, that one push a little toofar on a couple different
things.
It hasn't been one particularthing altogether.
It wasn't just Kid Omega, itwasn't just fantastic car.
It wasn't just, it wasn't justany one of those individual
things.
It's been the entire packagethat has been pushing people

(24:48):
away.
It has been a littleheartbreaking.
You know, we have seen a majordrop off.
Um, but I think you asked themost important question.
What does Marvel Snap do now?
What do they do to reengagetheir audience and can they even
reengage their audience?
Because in my experience, if youlook at most games, like if you
go and you check out like GoogleTrends on most games, most
schemes, they have like a sharkfin, right?

(25:09):
They got the interest that goesup and then it kind of fades
over time.
Live service games tend to havea longer tail because they.
The, obviously with updates andnew releases, they kind of keep
up and Marvel Snap.
I would consider along that.
Unfortunately, Marvel Snap isseeing much more of a drop off
than others.
But that's not to say that like,that's unique.
You look up Pokemon Pocket, avery similar phenomenon.

(25:30):
Pokemon Pocket was a great popoff at the start.
I remember even at the start, Iremember me and you had this
conversation, I said, I thinkMarvel snap's a better game than
Pokemon Pocket.
And I love Pokemon.
I got Pokemon all over myshelves.
I buy cards for my kids.
Uh, but at the end of the day, Ithink Marvel Snap was a better
game.
And like, so there is this like,I don't wanna say games have a
shelf life.
There is a bit of an expectationthat things kind of, you know,

(25:50):
they generally go down overtime.
There are some games that buckthat trend.
However, I'm really hoping thatMarvel Snap can be one of those.
I'm slowly starting to losefaith that it will be though.
And because I think that thereis this like repeated decision
making that, um, yeah, I don'tknow.
I don't know.
I just don't know, man.

Cozy (26:10):
So, so here is kind of what Alex is talking about and
funny enough.
Uh, you always gonna have bigbooms when games start.
Like rivals had 700,000 playersplaying at first.
You'll never have that.
It's just a, it's a wave, right?
That comes and then they stableout.
So what you've seen here, thisis the life of Snap, right?
And you have the uptick.
The other uptick there in themiddle is, I believe when the
TikTok shut down thing happenedand, and Snap trended because it
was one of the games that werebanned in the us There's a very

(26:32):
hot topic like Dexter.
Everyone covered it, right?
So that's that obviously hugepop off for literally one day,
and then look at the, the steepdrop off.
And then after that you couldsee all time low without.
Any question and and you couldgo back and continue to go back.
And that line, if it follows,the trajectory goes down to
below launch.
Right.
So like it's heading to aposition of where you never want

(26:53):
it to go.
And, and that's what's aconcern.
I think for me, it that, listen,I've been a part of a mobile
game, okay.
That you get two reactions fromplayers and you guys watching,
you guys are gonna have this,like, we're not talking about
this to bring doom and gloom.
It's more of.
If we don't, there's certaintythat it dies, and if we do,

(27:14):
there's a chance that there'smaybe changes that be made, or
at the very least, we can atleast go out swinging.
Right?
Because you're gonna feel anger.
A good chunk of viewers like,ah, you guys are so doom and
gloom.
But it's, it I've seen this songdance before.
It was like, it's fine.
Game's fine.
And then before, you know, thegame got shut down overnight,
the other one.
And so it's like, with this.

(27:36):
Speak out now to try to get anytype of a voice out there.
And I think it's important tolook at it and it's like, you
know, we.
Kinda stretched thisconversation with Regis of like
how we got here and everything.
But you know, you had this like,game of, of mass performance and
now it's just at this point, ifI'm Snap or if I, if I don't
wanna like cash it out as seconddinner, it's like why not make,

(27:56):
I, maybe it's not the mostbalanced, I don't know, but why
not make a draft?
Why not make something that youthink truly will get players
back?
Throw what funds you do haveallocated into a couple months
into marketing all for that.
And then try to build fromthere, right?
Uh, because other than that,then, you know, this is gonna be
an incredible, fun digital gamethat is always gonna be known
for being one of the most funtimes.

(28:17):
But then it died too soon,right?
And like that will be what itshistory is instead of lasting
star Wars Galaxy Heroes is themost a hero collector dude.
That thing still is, is beyondkicking it.
It's been going on 15 years orsomething like that.
Like this has every chance to goon for a very long time.
But it's sad that this is kindof where it's kind of going to.
And so I'm just trying to, like,I was racking my brain in the,

(28:41):
in the flight man.
I was just like, what can theydo?
Because it's not on us.
Like, I could make the coolestvideos ever for Snap and put all
my time towards it.
It's not gonna change anything.
It's just not gonna, it is nothow it works.
So I just, it, it, it, it just,it's like, man, what else?
You know?

Alex (28:57):
I've been thinking about the exact same thing.
It's actually been a bit of asource of stress where I'm like,
you know, you feel a littlepowerless, right?
Like you're not quite sure, likeobviously I cover Marvel Snap
'cause I love Marvel Snap.
And even like when I wasoriginally making content in, in
the the Dota universe.
I only started making moral Snapvideos because I loved the game
enough that like, I rememberbeing like, I'm, I'm done

(29:19):
streaming doda.
I'm just gonna play Snap.
Yeah.
I only have three viewers, butI'm having the most fun I've
ever had, and I feel like I'monto something special.
Then the rest is history.
Right?
And so I deeply, I love thisgame.
I do.
And I really hope it can turn.
I would love to see that graph.
Go vertical.
I would love to, I would love tosee a parabolic change.
I would love, I know you wouldlove that too.
Let's be honest.
We would love to see that.

(29:40):
But there's concerns and youknow, what really keeps me up at
night?
I think there's my fear, my bigfear for Snap is not like, oh,
what are they monetizing Thatlike, that's my fear is losing
Glen.
I feel like if, for whateverreason, if uh, someone as
talented as, as Glen is like,you know what?
Maybe the right writing's on thewall, maybe second dinner's next

(30:02):
project isn't in, uh, isn't inhis wheelhouse where his skills
are gonna be utilized.
He can go back to designingstuff for magic he can go back
to do.
And I think that would be such acatastrophic loss to this team.
And I bring that up because I,over the last little bit, I was
going through some of my, mycontacts and stuff, and.
A lot of the people that I hadoriginally had like, uh, kinda

(30:24):
like followed on Twitter,whatever it is, they've moved on
from second dinner.
So we, we talked about the majorshift, like changeovers that
have occurred there and, um.
I'm concerned.
I'm just concerned.
Like I, I just wonder about likehow devastating a loss of
someone like Glen would be,considering how much I think
that he holds this game togetherfor the most part.
But I, yeah, I really hope theyfigure something out.

(30:45):
And you're right, we, we can'tchange.
We can help if they include usin, in, in ways with new,
exciting materials and allow usto provide feedback on new
things.
That, because we are in touchwith the community in a way that
I think is important, but at theend of the day.
We can only do so much elbowgrease.
They, they're the ones thatgotta release the finished
product that, uh, compelsplayers to come back and stay

Cozy (31:05):
and they're capable of putting out cool new cards and
product.
We've seen that the championsthing is really cool, like they
have things cooking and that'sawesome, but it doesn't matter
how crazy if things you havecome out.
If a game is on its way down, Iwill say the one thing that can
really help this game is like,whenever Force Awakens came out,
I remember I got outta the movietheaters and I was like, man, I

(31:26):
gotta play some star.
I gotta get some Star Wars in mylife right now.
Right?
And so Marvel, it's no secret,it's been on the downward trend
for a while.
Uh, thunderbolts, you know, Ithought was really good.
That's brought it up.
Fantastic.
Fours getting good reviews,whatever.
If Doomsday pops off like crazy,which has been delayed now.
But that's a long ways away.
It's December, I believe, ofnext year now.
But like if Marvel Cinema isgoing up and now they have a

(31:49):
real healthy comp, uh,competition, I believe Superman
got great reviews.
I haven't seen it yet myself,but like.
As the MC, if the MCU doesreally well, it does help out
games like this.
So there is that in freemarketing almost that will
happen, right?
Say what you want guys.
Rivals.
It was a great thing to happenfor Snap'cause it did help out
get Marvel more hot and, andinto people's lives and, and

(32:10):
come over here to this game.
I think a lot of people wentfrom Snap to rivals, but there
is to be said that people wentfrom rivals to Snap'cause they
wanna be, they, they love humantorch in that game.
They want to see'em in thisgame, right?
Like that's just kinda thenature of it.
But yeah, that's.
It's the, the hope of it.
And, and with that, I have withthis is, is the future of the
Snapchat guys, right?
So, uh, obviously we've beennow, uh, what September's three

(32:31):
years, which is so cool to, tolook at.
In general, Alex and I love thislove doing it all together.
And it's, it's the content on mychannel at the moment.
There, it, the Snapchat is, willbe out.
We, we definitely love what wedo here.
I would say a hundred percent onmy side, Alex.
I haven't even like gone intoGreat.
We've talked about discussionpieces between the two of us of

(32:53):
what, what we want to continueto do with this thing.
I would say it's almost acertain that there'll be really
fun subjects moving forward,which we've been doing this
forever anyway.
We've been doing a zoo tier listback on our first year.
Right.
But I would say one of mysubjects will definitely be
reserved now for just pure fun,whatever that is.
Dad, whatever it is.
If you guys skip the intro, keepdoing that.

(33:13):
'cause that's what a subjectwill be.
Probably will be reserved at thelast one.
Just video games at thenineties.
Whatever it might be, that isprobably going to more than
likely happen.
If you wanna come here for thenew card stuff, new
conversations.
That's there too.
But Alex and I wanna make surethat this is still something
that we have passion about.
And I can be, oh, I'm passionateabout Alex Kocha.

(33:34):
I could tell you that.
But that can only go so far.
Right?
And so we wanna make sure thatthere's love between all of it.
And it's not repeated subjectsand things like that.
And so, you know, the Snapchat'sstill gonna be y'all's Snapchat
that, you know, uh, but if youguys want us to di you know,
dive into Alex not knowing eventhe most basic pop culture
references, awesome.
'cause that's what's about tohappen here over, uh, on my

(33:56):
side.
And, uh, and Alex as well.
I know we're gonna just, youknow, continue to have fun on
both sides,

Alex (34:02):
yeah, I think that we, uh, we obviously have a formula that
works, right?
We, we figured out the Snapchatformula and, uh, it, it's
definitely been something thathas served us the community well
over like almost three yearsnow.
It's actually crazy to think,like, I think that that's the
case a long time, but I alsothink it's important that we do
reinvent what this is in orderto give it the staying power
that I think it deserves.
And so, yeah,'cause I absolutelydo agree and, uh.

(34:23):
We're gonna continue kind oflike investigating ways to make
this better, make it acompelling product, um, and,
and, you know, come hell or highwater.
Like, I, I, the one thing I wantto do is I wanna make sure I
have an opportunity to come onhere and, and have fun, talk
about stuff that, like, youknow, excites the both of us.
And, uh, one thing that, youknow, we don't want to Snapchat
to be is just two dudes showingup for a shift.

(34:45):
Like that's, that's theliterally worst thing that can
happen for us and for theaudience.
We want this to be a funexperience for everyone
involved.
'cause when we're having fun, weknow that you guys can feel
that.
And I think that's reallyimportant to us.

Cozy (34:56):
Yeah.
And I think that it was,whenever it came up with the
idea of it, it wasn't even likeever only about Snap.
Like I think it was maybe thefirst couple and then it was
like, oh wow.
The rapport between us two.
It is so fun just to talk aboutanything.
There's times when me and youwere talking prior to our calls
that like, I'm like, dang it,why aren't, why are you like,
why are we not recording this?
It's just such fun conversation.

(35:16):
And so I think, uh, you know, Ithink someone said on a comment
below, like, two dads cast orsomething, like, it, that will
be one of the subjects, right?
Maybe two, you know, maybe wesplit it between our two.
We, we we're gonna dive moreinto that.
Uh, but expect just more.
Listen, if there's one thing Iknow that we will do with it is
keep it entertaining because howcan you not with Alex Cogi here
at the helm.

(35:37):
And, uh, and all.
I still, yeah, he had a fishtalk at once guys and he goes,
what's a fish talk?
I, I'll never forget it.
Anyway, that, that's really itabout the future of the
Snapchat.
You can expect more of that.
You know, you are gonna getyour, your Snap talk.
P plenty.
Get a little bit of both.
If you like us going off therandom cusp, great.
Good news for you.
It's more of that.
If you want us to stick to Snap,well that's gonna stay the same
about, right?

(35:57):
So, uh, either way, that is whatis the Snapchat's all about,
guys.
Human torch maybe.
Too hot Snap.
Not at the moment, as you sawfrom the thumbnail and the
future of this, Alex, anyclosing notes bud?

Alex (36:10):
Oh, I, I, I think that we, we did a really good job to kind
of break down like how we'refeeling.
And I think at the end of theday, like with regards to the
Snapchat, we're gonna look forways to reinvent it.
We're gonna look for ways to, tomake it the best it can be.
And, uh, we don't have all thoseanswers yet.
Like, Cozy and I are still kindof brainstorming ideas and
coming up with things.
And, uh, there's also otheravenues for like content and
ways we can kind of approachcontent creation together and

(36:31):
collaborative collaboratively.
I, I think I made up a wordthere, but anyways, long story
short, I think that like, um,you guys mean a lot to us.
I think that I can speak on bothbehalf of Cozy and I that uh, as
much fun as him and I havetogether.
You guys are a huge part ofthis, especially those of you
that still listen to this show.
Some of you don't even play Snapanymore.
You really are here because youlike what we do and you're

(36:51):
engaged with this community, andthat does not get lost on us.
You guys are very, veryimportant to us, like beyond
measure, and uh, we want to makesure that even if you lose
interest in Marvel Snap, there'sa reason to tune into Cozy and
Alex because, uh, we just, wevalue your time.
We're so appreciative of thefact that you've supported us
through these years.

Cozy (37:10):
Yeah, dude.
I think actually that says itreally well.
Like, dude I have been, uh, overthe last like couple months
probably stretched the most thinI've ever felt between casting
and between rivals and outsideof when this New season's
launched.
We launch, I do like four tofive videos.
I only get like four videos amonth right now on rivals.
I'm just not having time overthere either.

(37:30):
And without a beat though.
There's one thing that I'malways making sure I have time
for and I can tell you, I canpromise you guys it does not
make sense revenue wise formyself.
It doesn't period, end ofdiscussion.
But that doesn't matter.
'cause to me it's more aboutlike.
What we've made and created hereover three years.
And how important that is to me.
And even if I just casted agrand final, like I missed the,

(37:50):
what the first time and whoknows how long.
I couldn't even speak.
Like, it was an absolute, like Iwas torn to shreds and I still
was like, I can do it.
And I'm like, you know, I haveto take a step back and think
about this.
So it's something that is superimportant to both of us, and
that's why we're, you know, whywe're still kicking on this
thing.
I, if it was about just puttingfood on the table for my family
kind of thing, I would just goand double up my rivals video.

(38:11):
In, in the time that it takes todo one of these, I could do two,
you know, rival videos.
So it, that isn't it, it's aboutjust carrying on this show,
being with you guys, having agood time doing it.
I, I think it's always importantto, uh, and on the way back on
my flight, I'm like, oh man,what are some, fun talking
points to the Snapchat?
And I'm always still thinkingabout it, right?
And so just happy to be hereanother week, man, and, and

(38:34):
we'll make it three years.

Alex (38:36):
Yeah, I can't wait.
Um, at the end of the day, I,um, have full faith in our
ability to make sure that we candeliver something, that
everyone's gonna have fun andenjoying.
And, you know, may one year fromnow, maybe this looks completely
different, like we, we don'tknow.
We don't know.
But at the end of the day, we'regonna do the best that we can to
make sure that we deliver aproduct that you guys, of course
can enjoy.
Cozy.

(38:56):
I have a very funny story Igotta tell you.
Open it up with, and you'llunderstand.
Everyone with kids willunderstand how this works.
So basically, my son, my6-year-old, he absolutely loves
Pokemon.
Actually, they all love Pokemon.
Now they're getting really intoPokemon and he's been asking for
like Pokemon Plushies and stuff.
And like Costco had like thisbig, like chunky snla.
I got him.
He loved it, but you'll neverguess what his favorite Pokemon

(39:18):
is.
He absolutely loves Siter.

Cozy (39:24):
Loves Sthe.
Oh yeah, dude, that's a, thatwas, I think that was mine
growing up.
Definitely mine growing up.
Really?
What?
Oh, for sure.
Siter when there was only 1 51,like it was a smaller pool.
But man, I love sthe.
He has such a cool, like, Idon't know, I think he's just
like a, like as a boy, it'slike, oh man, he's cool.
Like, and like the jungle packscame out like, oh yeah, man, I
love Ser.
He's not even good.
No way.

(39:44):
But he wasn't.

Alex (39:45):
Yeah, so it's so funny 'cause like he loves sthe and
like he, and now there'sdifferent versions of sthe.
There's like sior and Cleaverand all this.
He's all into it and he's beenasking, he's like, he's like
Dad.
He's like, if I get a goodreport card, he's like, can I
get a, can I get a SER toy?
I'm like, yeah, well look.
And I've been looking for like,I can't find a ser Plushie, I
can't find a or toy.
They just don't me.
I was looking on like in Chinafor stuff.

(40:07):
I was like, there's gotta besomething somewhere.
Someone may can't find it.
And I'm like, oh man.
And then.
Miraculously, I'm not sure howthis happened.
We're outside, right?
We're outside playing in likethe kiddie pool we've got.
And he's like, daddy, look.
It's ser man Mantis.
And he yells.
It's ser it was a praying mantison our window, right?
And anyways, the praying mantisseemed hurt.

(40:29):
It wasn't flying away.
It kind of looked like it waslaboring.
I'm not sure what was wrong.
And it was like a kind of asmall baby one anyways, so he's
like, dad, it's, it's hurt.
Can we heal it?
I'm like, well, I can't put in apoke ball and bring it to the
pokey center, but like, do youwant to like catch it?
Response, A plus response rightthere, you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
So anyways, what we did was iswe had like.

(40:51):
It like we had like this bugcatcher that was really nice and
pretty big and stuff like that.
And we put it in there and wecreated a habitat for it and it
was like pretty comfortable.
We gave it a little bottle capof water and all this stuff.
We went to the store, we boughtcrickets, we fed it like little
baby crickets and stuff likethat.
And we've had this for like twoweeks.
And when we went up to thecottage, he was like, he's like,

(41:13):
and he, he called, he namedItsthe.
He's like, we gotta bring sightto the cottage.
So we're driving like three anda half hours up north, right?
Like north of Toronto.
And he's holding on his lap,like the little thing taking
care of the, the praying mantis.
Right.
That's awesome.
And he brought it everywhere.
We went out for dinner, he tookit with us, like he put it on
the table and had like, we werehaving dinner at a little

(41:35):
restaurant.
Dad.
He brought it with him the wholetime.
And, uh, anyways, long storyshort, he's like, Hey daddy,
sight, there's flying again.
Sight's flying.
He's doing dude.
When I tell you that this mantisactually looked like it got a
little bigger, got a littlehealthier, and he's like, dad,
I, I wanna let it go.
Wow.
And we said, okay, do you wannalet it go like here at the
cottage or do you wanna let itgo like at home?
He's like, I wanna let it go athome so he can come back and

(41:57):
visit me.
So I'm like, borderline liketearing up.
Yeah.

Cozy (42:00):
That's so cute, man.
Anyways,

Alex (42:01):
it's so cute, man.
It's so, it's so wholesome.
And then, anyways, he, so longstory short.
We get home and he lets, he letsthe mantis go.
But he didn't wanna like forceset a key.
So he basically, at night hejust opened the thing up and
just let it leave.
And in the morning he went andhe saw that it left.
And then he got really sad andhe was like, I actually don't
want Sthe to leave.
I hope he comes back soon.

(42:21):
And, uh, so we're still waitingForsythe's return, but I just
wanted to share that story'causeit, it was so heartwarming.
That's

Cozy (42:27):
cute, bro.
I know.
I love that.
Matt.
I love too kids abilities to be.
Fearless when they're young too.
Like my son now will be, he's atthe age where like, dude, he's
going up when the waves come upand then they go back down.
There's like crabs that digunder the sand.
He'll just get one, he'll getlike a handful of them.
And he's like, dad, look crabs.
And I just like look in his handand there's all these crabs.

(42:49):
And I'm like, dude, kids arecrazy.
Like, I love it.
Like they just, they don't care.
They'll just pick up anything.
Right?
And, and they're like, theydon't have that instilled in
them.
But dude, that's a, I want toconvince you, man, that's a good
dad letting.
Like, I had a great father, man,great dad, and I don't know if
he would've let me bring a brainmantis in the car.
I just don't think that wouldhappen.
But dude, what a what?

(43:10):
A what?
A dad over there.
Man, that was a cute story, man.
I love it.

Alex (43:13):
I'm glad you like it.
And taught him about dads, uh,Mr.
Fantastics a dad, right?
Is he He is.
Right?
Richards, yeah.
Yeah.
To one of the most power.

Cozy (43:20):
Yes, he is.
Wait, hold on.
Who, who's, who's this kid?
No, I, well, because the firststeps touch into this, and I'll
let that happen before we talkabout it.
Oh,

Alex (43:28):
that's like a spoiler.

Cozy (43:30):
She's known as Sue's pregnant in the movie.
Oh, damn.
I didn't know this man.
Okay, hold on.
I start, yeah, this is big.
I can start reading some more.
Man.
This, it's not like Spider-Manis Peter Parker like common.
But it is, if you, if you're acomic guy, you definitely know
about if Read Sue's kid.

Alex (43:47):
Okay, so I, I do not know, but I do know, okay, there was
one thing that came up.
We're so derailed.
So someone said that like,Magneto is scarlet Witch's dad.

Cozy (43:57):
Yeah.
Is that, duh?
Of course.
What bro, what?
You need to stop reading Jeff,the baby land shark and go into
some of the basics over here,man.
What?
What do you mean?
What you know?
Quick Silver.
I thought quick was no, there,there's multiple.
You could have more than onekid.
How many kids do you have?

Alex (44:16):
Okay.
Fair.
Okay.
That's a, that's a great point.
Cozy.
Okay.
I can't even, how do I arguethat I can't, like, that's
actually the perfect point.
It's Cozy.
You've done it, you've done it.
You've convinced me that you'recorrect.

Cozy (44:29):
Alright.
Talking about Mr.
Fantastic though, uh, last weekyou gave him a, what, what'd you
give him?
4.54.
I gave him a flat four.
And you

Alex (44:36):
gave him a Sterling five.
How do you feel about that?
Four.
I'm a little sad.
It's how can you be sad?
It's so sad.
You give something a four and itfeels low.
Isn't that crazy?
This car's spanking, man.
It's so good.
To

Cozy (44:49):
me.
To me it's like I thought aftersurge, I was like, okay, the
fool me, one thing like Alex,he's gonna, he's gonna get it.
He's gonna understand that therandomness doesn't matter.
And then he, here, here we are,five star, bro.
Yeah.
I think, I think it just doesn'tmatter.
Right.
And very close to, uh, in fact,in your review video, you said
it best, right?
Different than surge, but alsosame in the sense of like, oh,

(45:09):
even if I wasn't going to do X,I might as well do that because
it is discounted or the power,whatever it might be.
And it's a deck you built,right?
And fantastic is just being thatengine for it.
And so this car's cracked brocrack.

Alex (45:25):
It's awesome.
And what I really liked about itthe most.
Was that, um, it changed the waymy decks played because suddenly
when you know, a card gotreduced in power, like let's
say, uh, you know, Sarah, I playthis hit, uh, on two.
Yeah, it hits Sarah.
Mm-hmm.
Now my game plan changes.
It hits Gwenpool.
Gwenpool comes down on three.
Now my game plan changes,especially with the discounts.

(45:45):
The discounts it was applying.
It felt like it was making everysingle game feel a little
different.
Like the cards that it wasdiscounting, like suddenly like,
oh man, my stronger is now onlya two cost.
Yeah.
Or like whatever, right?
Like, oh, it hit brood or it hitwhatever I wanted and suddenly I
have this ability to flip thislane, which I don't think
they're gonna expect me to beable to gwenpool and go act to
that after Mr.

(46:06):
Fantastic got the pump off, likeit's gonna be crazy.
There's been a lot ofopportunities to really lean
into, like my opponent cannotpredict what I'm about to do,
thanks to Mr.
Fantastic.

Cozy (46:16):
Or just like holding onto the ACEs where it's like, okay,
you could play that thing that'snow a three or four to a three,
or you hang onto it, right?
And then it's like you cancombine that with another card
that you discounted and maybeyou didn't get Sarah down, but
now in a Surfer play you can dosomething really big, play other
stuff on curve, and then six nowlooks way better.
So, agreed man, it's like youcan either play it right then
and there for the, you know,consistency ledge.

(46:36):
I sometimes.
Like the, the later place isalways, sometimes, not always,
but you know, you get more cubeequity a lot of those times with
the surprise factor rather than,you know, you play down
something really good early, Idon't know.
Right.
And we'll have to see how thatkinda works with Torch, right?
Like do you just play him downthere right away?
'cause you can get other thingsto pop'em off?
Or do you kind of.
Hang on, that Mr.
Fantastic has buffed him up nowthree times and you just play

(46:57):
him in that filler, right?
Like that's gonna be interestedin how it works out.
But what's great about him, andthis is where the conversation
went last week, is it's not justSurfer dude, it's, it's just,
it's all around thatflexibility, pun intended, uh,
is immense.

Alex (47:09):
No, it's incredibly flexible.
It's in a ton of differentshells.
All the shells are performingexceptionally well.
Now, keep in mind, right now wedo have, uh, our untapped based
statistics over the last sevendays are gonna include bots
because we don't have enoughinfinite based stats.
So, ranked 70 and above he'srunning a 34% Medi-Share, which
is massive.
That, that's a season passthat's sold.
It's running a 56% win rate in ahighly positive cube rate.

(47:33):
Every single shell that he's inis being widely successful.
This is just an overall goodcard.
And here's a fun thing too.
I often have Mr.
Fantastic and Surge in similardecks.
And I'm looking at the two andI'm like, which one do I wanna
play first?
And I'm often looking at my handand thinking to myself, okay,
well what do I want hit in myhand?
What do I wanna draw into todecide?

(47:55):
But I'm generally finding that Ienjoy playing Mr.
Fantastic first, and maybe evenfollowing up with the surge on
the next turn.
But like the fact that it'sdisplacing surge on turn two.
Goes to show you how good it is.
'cause S was a defacto like howdo you not play this card on
turn two?
Well,'cause you're holding Mr.
Fantastic.

Cozy (48:12):
Yeah.
Not to get into like Herbie toofast, but I think that is
ultimately, dude, we literallycalled this frame for frame like
last week.
I said to myself, my only fearfor these cards is that they're
all battling for the two slot.
And we saw that with Soranwhenever Star brand before Star
Brand.
Remember like Star Brand was agreat car.
So like we saw that happen withSoran and Star Brand and it was
lackluster and then they changedthat and then it popped off.

(48:35):
You have something like Herbie,that's a really good card,
right?
It's a good card.
But as you start to compete withnow, whatever surge, Mr.
Fantastic.
Now you have to pick one, right?
You have to pick one of these towork, and I think that's
starting to be a bit moretroublesome.

Alex (48:49):
Yeah.
And when we talk about Herbie,we'll, we'll, like, yeah, we can
actually, we could transition toHerbie now.
Honestly, we, we will talk aboutboth of'em at the same time
anyway.
'cause they're kind of in thesame breath there.
Now.
Herbie's only running an 11%,uh, play rate right now.
Similar statistics though, uh,the win rate is, uh, almost
identical.
Just a couple, um, tenths of apercent lower at 55.3%, whereas
Mr.
Fanta is at.
55.9.

(49:10):
Again, that is with some botinflation there.
Uh, we both came in at fours onHerbie, and here's the thing, it
is a two three and you saidexactly what the problem with
Herbie's been was that if I'mplaying a deck with Herbies and
Mr.
Fanta, I'm never playing Herbiefirst.
Yeah, if I'm holding surge, I'mplaying Surge.
If I'm holding Mr.
Fantastic, I'm playing Mr.
Fantastic.
Herbie at best comes out on termthree most of the time, and if

(49:31):
he is coming out on term two.
It feels like my less optimalplay for Turd two.
Like I didn't draw the cards Iactually wanted, and that's not
Herbie's fault because I feellike he actually does some
pretty cool stuff.

Cozy (49:40):
Yeah.
I mean between doubling inpower, which is how I know Torch
is gonna be so crazy'cause itfelt good on Herbie.
Right.
So it's gonna be even more wildon him.
Or the energy, like it just feltlike, like if this was its own
card prior to this month, itwould've had, I think.
Way more success.
The fact that it's coming intowith Mr.
Fantastic is what I think isgonna be the tough piece with
it.
Like, I think Surge and Herbiecan coexist when you have all

(50:01):
three, it makes it even harder.
And then you, there's way moretoo, that you can even bring
into this situation.
But with that being said, Ithink there is plenty of legs,
even though, uh, Herbie herelooks, uh, or you call it Wally,
which I think, uh, underratedmovie by the way.
Very underrated movie.
He doesn't have legs, but stilldefinitely Herbie.
I is a good card, but like doesit just get out shadowed in the

(50:22):
future?

Alex (50:23):
So basically Wally is like the trash compactor version of
Herbie's, like the scientistversion.
I think they're from the sameuniverse.
They like, don't even try toconvince me otherwise.
Like if even Wally had a baby,it's Herbie basically.
Or Herbie invented Wally andHerbie is Eve's dad.
Are you impressed that I knewEve?
I, I just want to throw that outthere.
You know what?
It's so funny'cause I had tolike, think about what that was.

(50:45):
I like, I knew who Eve was, butI couldn't remember what their
name was, bro.
Okay.
But he says Eve

Cozy (50:50):
dude, for, uh, this Lego thing.
When Lego's looking at sponsors,it's so funny.
I already, I always know wheresomebody sourced me from because
in the email it's like CozySnap, Cozy rivals, Cozy, Cozy
gamer every now and then.
And when this one said, uh, CozySnap.
One person said, oh, this guyknows all the Disney characters
too.
'cause from that old Disneygame, like, bro, one thing I

(51:12):
could tell you in 10 years fromnow when Snap's gone, you'll
still know all these Marvelcharacters.
This stuff, it lives for you.
And you'll know their weirdnicknames you give them.
So you're just gonna have thatknowledge just sitting in there.

Alex (51:22):
I am glad, man.
I honestly, I'll, I'll be honestwith you, I think that having
like an affinity for theuniverse makes a huge
difference.
It's why I still play rivalslike admittedly, casually with
my friends, but I do because Ilike the, I'm not gonna play
over, I'm sorry, I'm not playingOverwatch.
I'm just not invested in thosecharacters the same way I'm
invested.
Rivals Charact.
Same reason why, like I've beenplaying Mystic Mayhem for
funsies because I like thecharacters, right?

(51:43):
Like I just, I'm invest.
That in, I want my Scarlet Wishto just blow stuff up.
Like, that's pretty cool.
Like, I, I love the character.
It makes a huge difference.
And, uh, we're kind of, we'rekind of losing focus here.
But I do, I will say that Herbieis a good card, but I don't
think it, uh, it doesn't tradepunches effectively with Mr.
Fantastic.
I don't think, I think Mr.
Fantastic.
Stronger.
I do think that Herbie.
Could find spots outside of thefantastic decks, which I think

(52:06):
are gonna be great specifically.
'cause I think the effects aresuper strong.
It has a very high floor becauseyou have like the plus each of
the activate abilities isfantastic.
They're all great.
They're they all above, they allpunch above the two three stat
line and it's the randomnessthat kind of makes a little more
fair.
But they're all great

Cozy (52:24):
effects.
Yeah, I think for me it's like,because Pedro Pascal is so
flexible too, the problem withthat is.
If you put them in other decksthat are going to have other
twos for the most part, then nowyou're adding a third two.
You know what I mean?
Like that's still what, thereare decks that don't have twos
that they're gonna fit in, butthe ones that do, that's when it
makes it just a bit more tough.

Alex (52:43):
Yeah, and Herbie was getting like with the double up,
he was getting into hunky rangefor me on a regular basis.
Yeah.
Like this was like a two 10 andmore, more often than not.
The one thing that we'll sayabout Mr.
Fanta, it sounds like we'redoing these together, but it
sounds like Mr.
Fantastic.
The one thing that I foundinteresting is I wasn't sure how
to quite counter him'cause youcan't quite use Mobius and
Mobius because he only does thathalf the time.
It's like he kind of feels likehard to counter with the

(53:04):
exception of Red Guardian givena good old pump.
But like overall, he feels likehis effect has enough variation
where your opponent doesn'tquite know what's going on.
Yep.
But each of the effects is sostrong for you that you're able
to take off.
I don't think Herbie quite hitsthat, but Herbie still
definitely a good card.
Cozy, there's anything else youwanted to say to close off on
either Herbie or Mr.

(53:24):
Fantastic?

Cozy (53:24):
I No, I, I'd just like the note you said about Uncountable
kind of, I mean, like it islike, obviously Red Guardian
just continues to look like areally good card because it
shuts down.
You know, it, it, it can targetsome of these, these human
torches, the, the re, the, uh,the Reed Richards.
Right?
But when you have somethingthat's so powerful in two
different ways, it's like, let'ssay it was plus one power, not
plus two.
Like at that point, it's like,okay, then you can lean more on

(53:46):
Mobius, right?
But there's two head of Dragonand you have to pick one to go
after and sometimes none.
And then everyone's running thattoo.
So do you make space for that?
It's tough.
Because he's gonna be existingfor a very long time in this
game.
Reid is a powerful card

Alex (54:02):
talking about powerful cards.
Cozy, I suspect a fantastic carjust might be powerful enough to
perhaps present the problem inMarvel Snap.
I think the card is doing verywell and there is, um, the topic
of discussion essentially, like,could ftaa be a problem like
from a couple differentperspectives?
First of all.
In terms of the card itselfbeing a four seven, that on

(54:23):
Activate gives you its end ofturn, uh, turn carts plus two
power.
There's always a risk withexpensive activate cards.
A four cost to Activate has aninherent risk of just falling a
little flat.
Activate has always felt betteron less expensive cards, but
this one here really does feellike Silver Surfer for the
archetype.
In fact, its animation isessentially Silver Surfer

(54:43):
animation, which is kind ofcrazy.
Yeah, this card has been verygood.

Cozy (54:49):
I think it's.
As high Evo dipped outta themeta a bit.
We forgot that was always a gooddeck.
And if it had something thatcould supercharge it, which it
has hit in the past, butnothing, you know what I mean?
Like I feel like so many carsthat have come out in the past
were always like, oh, this couldbe a good high Evo card.
And then it just kind of alwayslike fell flat.
We've seen different variations,but nothing really ever stuck

(55:10):
outside of some obvious stuff.
This is one of those that itjust, when you put that together
with already such a powerfuldeck and it just scaling to its
size that it does and, and itwinning with the big power and
it winning with tear and skips,that's when you get something
crazy.
Four seven to boot is not a badstat line when you have
something like this with it.

Alex (55:32):
There's no question about it.
And one of the things about ittoo is that this is the kind of
card where honestly you can playit on turn five and keep those
end of a turn of effectshappening.
Playing on turn five isabsolutely fine.
Yeah.
Why?
Because you're floating thatenergy.
You're ping that Hulk in yourhand, you're puking the cyclops,
you're doing all the things youwant to do anyways.
You got the misty night ping,and this is still prime for the
activation on turn six or seven.

(55:53):
Um, I tend to prefer magic basedversions.
Of high Evo.
However, I do think that thebest versions of high Evo will
likely not include magic, simplybecause Merlin is so prevalent
in the meta.
Merlin stole a good card and ifMerlin's gonna be popular, you
can't play magic with confidencebecause Merlin just loves to eat
that limbo.
Yep.
Are you team Bruce Banner or no?
I always play Bruce.

(56:14):
Yeah.
Ever since the buff I'd findthat like he's cop,

Cozy (56:16):
but I like, no, I think he's coped, but in the way of
like unpredictable, that can winyou games.
And I like that.
Like I think.
I think I've always leanedtowards that.
Right.
It's like the copycat versus notthe, although I did see Thaddeus
was getting, uh, a little bit ofa, uh, yeah.
Have you, have you dipped yourtoe back into Mr.
Ross?

Alex (56:31):
So I did play some Thaddeus originally, but my,
because I was playing an ot, sheHulk and Hulk version of the
shell.
And then ultimately what I didwas I decided to cut the infin
and then I wanted to lean muchmore towards the smaller end of
turn cards.
And so I started including, uh,Adam Warlock.
Because I felt like AdamMorelocks likely to draw cards

(56:51):
anyways, and he also mightencourage people to play into a
Cyclops location to getadditional value for Cyclops
because Adam Morelock plays verysimilarly to Nebula.
The reason why he played Nebula,an Evo shell was'cause it forced
players to play into thatlocation, which gave Cyclops and
even the likes of the thing, theEvo thing, the opportunity to
have that greatest impact, whichthen made the abomination free.

(57:13):
These versions of those decksdon't play the abomination.
So you don't necessarily have todo that.
But if you play something likean Adam Morlock, it's either
drawing cards or baitingopponents into what could be a
potential cyclops location wherehe can maximize his pew
pupilage.
So I did cut Thaddeus ThunderBull Ross, despite the fact he
was pretty good.
I didn't mind them.
And I actually wonder if sheHulk actually stays in these

(57:34):
decks because Yeah, I actuallythink you could probably cut She
Hulk and commit your turn fiveto fantastic car.

Cozy (57:39):
We were already not on the train with this car whenever we
thought it was gonna be mid, nowthat it's even better than mid
Right.
I think it just, it's just toughbecause you have, you know, I
talked about the video you didabout the situation with it.
You just set a precedent.
And when you have something thatis now a good car, it just
doesn't gimme warm feelings forthe future of it.

(58:01):
And again, in the ecosystem.
Sure.
It's like, okay, you could getthe value of it.
I just, maybe it won't matter asmuch when all the cards aren't
tied together.
If this was an independent car,I, you know what I mean?
Like, I think that's what has memore, even more so.
There's just a lot and I don'tknow it just has me a bit
uneasy.

Alex (58:20):
Dude, everything that kinda like smatter, like I, your
thoughts being all over theplace.
It's exactly how I feel likeit's so hard.
First of all, we both came in,uh, I came in at four.
You came in at three.
So I came in a little higher.
Get smoke Cozy.
I gotta win one eventually,right?
Come on.
No, no.
I gotta win one eventually.
But but anyways.
With the super premium season ofpast what you're mentioning
here, and it's been such a weirdthing because we've, we even

(58:40):
talked about it on your side.
We did the Marvel Snap checkup.
It's not just about thefantastic car'cause in a vacuum,
right?
The Fantastic car does not seemlike that.
I don't, man, it's not anargument of value.
I keep saying this.
It's not an argument of valuebecause Marvel Snap cards are so
unbelievably expensive as it isan extra$10 for men relevant
card.
Doesn't feel that awful.

(59:01):
Like in terms of a monetarything.
Now again, there's exchangerates.
Money's different for alldifferent people, right?
It's a com.
It's impossible to make ablanket statement with regards
to value that fits foreverybody.
So you're right, we're on aslippery slope.
Man.

Cozy (59:15):
It, they would never do this, but like just Ima and I
would say they never,'causethere's just no way marketing
wise it would work out.
It goes down the slippery slopeof, okay, let's say there's a
season pass plus.
Plus.
Now you had to have the seasonpass plus to get the plus, but
the season PA pass stay with me.
Plus had 6,000 tokens for fivebucks.
Okay.
Wow.

(59:35):
That's a deal.
That's a huge deal.
But then all of a sudden nowyou're having to, it's like you,
you can keep on discounting thevalue of it in game, but then
it's adding up and adding up,and that's where it's like.
They're gonna continue to dothat so long as people buy it
and, uh, Hey, spoiler, dude,this car was bought like this
could clearly the people playthis card a lot.
Like we've talked about cards inthe past, like new cards that

(59:56):
have come out.
And we'd be like, oh, it has a,I mean, it, it, it has up to
what, it's getting close to a10% popularity.
That's up there, bro.
That's up there for premium pluspass card.

Alex (01:00:04):
They sold a lot of these.
And, um, here's the thing,there's a couple things that
really.
Hold this whole situation incheck first.
This is a Series four card, soif it's a good card, it comes
down at 3000 tokens at the endof the season.
That at least is much moreaffordable than the 6,000 of a
series five.
That's not to saying it'llalways be a series four.
They could change it to a seriesfive.

(01:00:25):
I dunno if that's theirintention or not.
The other thing worth notinghere is that they're, oh man,
it's, I'm nervous that they madea really good card.
The purchase one.
'cause now you have two paywallcards, one of which is very
competitive both of which arecompetitive.
Let's be honest.
They're both competitive.
And so for the$20 you haveyourself a situation where like
you can get two very strongcards and have an advantage for

(01:00:47):
this month.
Like, let's call it what it is,right?
And so it, it does set a verydangerous precedent because, you
know, before the season passed,you were talking about playing
Marvel Snap cost you$120 a year,USD.
Now it's 240 if you want this.
And what's crazy about it is I'ma huge Evo fan.
I've loved Evo since Evo was athing.
It's been like my go-to deck.
That and Surfer have been my twoarchetypes and I have not been

(01:01:09):
playing Fantas car or Evo.
Because I just, I, if I feelbad, like I just, I don't want
to go against the communitythat, uh, you know, has a, like
a valid issue with, with what'sbeen going on with Snap and it,
it almost feels bad.
And this is a, someone Cozy I'lladmit openly.
Even before Fanta, I bought thesuper premium season pass when
it was introduced.
'cause I just, I like theborders, I like having cool

(01:01:31):
splits.
I I just bought it'cause Ifigured I make content for this
game.
Um, the extra 10 levels iswhatever, but you know what, if
it, it makes it so I can take acouple nights off and still
complete the season pass andall, I'm all for it.
And so I was always okay withgiving second dinner that, that
extra 10,$15 or whatever it was,and in theory, this should have
been an additional value forsomeone like me.
And instead I just feel a littledirty man.

(01:01:52):
Like I, I don't know how toeven.
I'm not sure how to feel aboutit.

Cozy (01:01:56):
Yeah.
And I'm the o the opposite.
I wasn't buying the superpremium and then now I did
because of course, why, you knowwhat I mean?
It's like I'm not missing out onthat.
Right.
For, for something so simple.
So it it, they're catchingmultiple PE and then they
probably, they might even begetting people that don't get
the pass it all and they mightas well just get two cards for
whatever.
Right.
I, I don't know how many of thatthey're getting, but either way

(01:02:16):
it, it's just.
We already, we've said slipperyslope so many times that the,
the slope is already slipped.
So it, I just don't love kind ofwhere this trend could go.

Alex (01:02:28):
No, I agree.
And um, I know that we've beenkind of like a little rambly on
this.
It's because honestly, like it'ssuch a conflicting topic and I'm
honestly not sure how I feelabout it on the surface.
Right.
The value of spending$10 to getan additional card should be
okay in Snap.
That should, that represents apretty good value.

(01:02:50):
And the season pass from a valueperspective has always been a
bastion of value.
It's just when you take intoaccount the Kid Omega stuff, and
that's ridiculous.
The Kid Omega stuff's ridiculousand unacceptable.
The game modes being heavilykind of like grinding and stuff
like that, that's ridiculoustoo.
I'm just hoping that seconddinner takes a look at the
information they've received.
Take a look at the feedback andsays, listen, I, I get it.

(01:03:12):
They gotta sell cards.
It, they cannot, they cannotkeep the lights on if they don't
sell cards.
It's a card game.
They have to sell cards.
There has to be some sort ofmonetary hook.
Like, I get that.
Let's be real here, but let'shope that they look at these
signals and say, okay, the kidOmega thing, that's not cool.
That's not worth it.
Get rid of that.
No more kid Omega crap.

(01:03:32):
But if this fantastic car, if itif people like, you know, if, if
we can fix in some of the, therougher edges of the
monetization and we can makethis super premium season pass,
feel like it has some value forplayers while not alienating
players who want the free toplay route or keep it series
four to make it so that thosetokens are much more discounted

(01:03:52):
when that thing comes up, theyhave to do something to find
that balance.
And then it'll feel okay, butthey can't have all of this.
They can't have their cake andeat it too.
They gotta pick their poison.

Cozy (01:04:02):
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just feel like, listen, thelights are on.
They got a hundred millionbillion funding, whatever they
got, right?
So like the lights are on justfine for them.
It's like, man, how cool wouldit been if First Steps is coming
out later this month?
And to celebrate, if you log in,you know, okay, you got your
login bonus, right?
So you got people coming to yourgame every day.
Maybe they weren't gonna comeand make it steep.
Make it 20 days, 25 days outtathe 30.
I don't care.
Make it the whole month.

(01:04:23):
Celebrate the movie, coming outwith a brand new free card.
Hey, how fun.
Win for win.
Why have to charge for it,right?
Like, we keep on, I feel likecomp, it is like, oh, it's okay,
you know, they gotta make it,they got it just in this span of
the lifecycle for the game.
Like, no, I just, I, I thinkit's just crazy that they just
keep, where's the bone?
Where's the, where's the, like,Hey, thanks for playing players.

(01:04:44):
Appreciate you guys.
Right?
And it's only when something badhappens.
And I, that to me just feelsicky.
I don't like it.
I just don't.
And, and I, I.
Feel like we, we can keepslipping and saying, well, you
know, I get it and I, it just,it, it, yeah.
I don't know.
The whole thing's a little wildto me, but either way came out
pretty strong.
We'll see how it all settles up.

Alex (01:05:02):
Yeah.
We'll have to see.
And I, I do agree they couldhave gone the approach of trying
to incentivize like players toreturn to the game by having a
highly meta relevant card,perhaps in a login bonus.
Something along those lines.
I'm sure we'll talk aboutfantastica again in the future,
as you can say a very, a very,uh, sensitive and, uh.
Evolving topic in the world ofSnap as that takes us store,

(01:05:23):
Snapchat mailbag, Cozy.
We have a few things here thatwe want to get through and uh,
you know what?
We just finished talking aboutMerlin and Drew Peterson comes
in with a question all aboutMerlin.
Here's one thing to point outabout Merlin as a season pass
card that I love.
Usually you get the season passand you're excited to use it for
the first weekend mission andmaybe the second.
But Merlin did not feel that wayat all.

(01:05:44):
Even this last weekend.
It was like, sure, I'd love toplay some Merlin.

Cozy (01:05:48):
Merlin.
I feel like, funny enough,remember what I said going into
his season, how I was like, man,I'm just gonna be playing this
car for a very long time.
'cause I feel like there's justso many, there's so many decks,
there's so many ways you canexperiment with it.
And the fun factor is tied by,and you look back at June, man,
there's a lot of fun to be had.
And that month, like Reed isawesome and better in terms of.

(01:06:10):
Play because of consistency.
Merlin's more fun.
Like he just has you, you know,obviously getting things cheaper
for cost is relative, sowhatever.
It could hit crazy stuff.
But I feel like, yeah, Merlin'sgonna always have that, that fun
factor, I think.
I think that's what it answerswhat you just said.

Alex (01:06:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Merlin was just a great seasonpass card.
Applicable to all players of allcollection levels.
It was a great filler card andit had its role in Medex, so
very well designed card there asRim comes in with a fun fact,
Cozy.
You just finished saying thatyou're a Disney connoisseur of
knowledge.
Listen to this.
Fun fact, the Underminer fromthe Incredibles is actually kind

(01:06:45):
of based on Moleman, because theIncredibles takes a lot of
inspiration from the Fantasticfour.

Cozy (01:06:51):
Ah, that would make sense.
Okay.
That, yeah, that, that, in fact,that's a fun little Easter egg
then, because I remember, yeah,it was like the first thing I
saw from it.

Alex (01:06:59):
Yeah, because I was like, looking at Moleman.
I, did you even bring up theUnderminer?
Did you use that particularname?

Cozy (01:07:03):
Yeah.
It looked like, uh, no, I thinkI said he looks like the guy
from, uh, Moleman, I think iswhat I call him or something.
Maybe I said Underminer.
Yeah.
I don't remember,

Alex (01:07:09):
but I, I feel like you might've actually kind of
brought that up.
Which is funny because, uh,yeah, and apparently he has
like, it's, he's just a smallcameo role in The Incredibles,
which I, I haven't actuallywatched with my kids.
I kind of forgot that movieexisted.
Good one.
Dude.
That's a good, the first one's

Cozy (01:07:21):
a good

Alex (01:07:22):
movie.
Yeah, I, I, I just remember thescene when he like punches his
boss through all the wood, allthe wood doors.
It's like the opening where hegets denied.
Yeah, it's like the opening.
I just remember that.
It's so funny'cause he's solike, just like the concept is
superheroes

Cozy (01:07:33):
trying to blend in and then like using their power
sometimes and people around himseeing it is the, is amazing.
I love it.
Like he gets upset and he picksup his car and like this little
kid on a bike goes by and he'sjust like, you know, and like,
dude, if I had super strengthand you had to like, try to keep
that in, bro, like, I'd becracking up.
I don't know.
I, I break a couple times.

Alex (01:07:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny'cause like yeah,there's, I love those fish outta
water type stories.
Like even with Thor, like theoriginal Thor, I like the idea
that like, he's just a dude, buthe thinks he's still a God.
Like, I love that like, uh,that, uh, plot mechanism.
I can't think of what the exactword is that they used to
describe those things, but Ithink it's really fascinating.
Jamie Bignell comes in withsomething very interesting here
and says, Hey guys, love yourwork and the Snapchat.

(01:08:13):
What do you think aboutcollectors reserves?
I haven't opened a single oncein second dinner, made the
change to them way back when.
I can't even remember.
Despite being a casual gamer,I'm approaching 900 unopened
reserves.
I'm hoping they'd makeimprovements to them, but after
so long, I doubt it.
Should I hold on for a change inthe future or just enjoy
whatever pixel variants that,that they give me now?
I look forward to show everyweek.

(01:08:33):
Thank you very much.

Cozy (01:08:34):
Join in, man.
Join the club.
I'm, I'm there too.
If they ever do an open all, I'mgonna be a rich man, but like I,
for now, I just like watchingnumber go up.

Alex (01:08:43):
I have like 1300, I think 1200 range.
Like I have a ton.
And I don't know what to do withthem.
I just hope that they one daymake them a little better.
And guys, we'll see you on thatnext Snapchat episode.

Cozy (01:08:53):
Guys, have a good week out there.
Enjoy yourself until the nextone.
Happy snapping.

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