Man-Spider Madness & Spider-Punk Review | Vision Buffed & Full OTA Breakdown | The Snap Chat Ep. 156 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Alex (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the
Snapchat.
I'm joined today by one of myabsolute favorite content
creators in Marvel Snap.
Regis I am a legitimate fan ofyours, and it is about damn time
we had you back on the Snapchat.
How are you my man?

Regis (00:14):
Hey, thanks man.
I'm, I'm doing good.
I'm a fan of yours too.
I think you might don't tellanybody else, but you might be
my favorite Marvel Snap YouTuberexcept for myself.

Alex (00:23):
Know what's crazy.
You're favorite.
I'm

Regis (00:24):
obviously

Alex (00:24):
one.
Snap YouTuber.

Regis (00:27):
We, we make a good pair then, I guess.
That's nice.

Alex (00:29):
I, I think so.
I think so.
Listen, man, I think for thelongest time you have been
producing some of the absolutebest content in Marvel Snap.
Not just the quality of thedecks, the quality of the
presentation.
I love your commentary.
I love the way you incorporatelosses, not only just for
entertainment, but you, for likethe actual educational factor.

(00:50):
I like the way you do yourcontent, but you added a new
thing to your repertoire thisweekend.

Regis (00:56):
Oh.

Alex (00:57):
You casted for the first time you cast, you hosted the
opening ceremonies of the GoldenGauntlet, and, uh, I watched you
did a fantastic job.
How was that, uh, as a firsttime experience?

Regis (01:09):
Oh, thanks.
Yeah.
Uh, it was actually really fun.
I somehow, I've been doing this,this whole job for like 10 years
now.
More than 10 years, and I'venever actually like casted a
eSports event of any kind, likea competitive event.
I've done a few random littlehosting things here and there,
but, so I was like actuallylegit nervous despite, you know,
doing this for a long, longtime, or at least I started

(01:31):
nervous.
But once I got into it, it wasactually pretty easy, but it was
awesome.
I mean, it was like the worldfinals or whatever, so pretty
big.
Uh, it felt like a cool momentto join in and, and be a part of
the fun.
And, uh, I think it went fairlywell.
It seemed like the receptionwas, was pretty decent.
My co castor, not my dance wasawesome.
Helped me out a lot.
Go check him out on YouTube too.
He's got a cool channel, but,uh, yeah, it was, it was great.

(01:54):
I think it was a fun event andsaw some really cool Marvel Snap
action too.

Alex (01:57):
Yeah.
Not only was it a fun event, butit was also like a cool event to
watch and like you saw like alot of very interesting decks
doing well.
Some of the ones that peoplewould've expected to like crush
the event didn't necessarily dothat.
We did get some, some move intothe top eight and top four and
stuff like that, but theeventual winner might've been
something that surprised a lotof people, right?
You get a Cerebro deck closingit out as a C3, like that's

(02:19):
absolutely nuts.
Not even like C four utilizingthe likes of like, you know,
shadow King or anything.
It was C3 that ended up takingit.
I spoiled my apologies, but I'msure you've already seen it
posted absolutely everywhere.
Yeah.
But I love those types of eventsbecause like the last prior one
you had a cons deck, likeliterally borderline a budget
cons deck was able to kind ofachieve victory and it goes to

(02:42):
show you what a very talentedpilot can do with pretty much
any deck.
So what I think I'm gonna do isfor the next Golden Gauntlet,
I'm gonna take the Marvel Snapstarter deck.
You know the one with like HulkAbomination and Ironman.
I'm gonna take it to number one.

Regis (02:55):
You could do it.
I think if anybody could do it,you could stumble your way to
victory somehow.
Just like good luck.
Just location rolls andrandomness.
Yeah.
It's uh, it's funny, you know, Iplayed a Cerebro three deck this
week for a video, and I waslike, I hate Cerebro three.
This is the worst experienceI've ever had.
I hate this deck.
I was just really crapping onit, and then it went on to win

(03:16):
the world championship.
I was like, oh, I look like anidiot right now.
I hate this.
And then it just went on to win.
It was like a better versionthan what I played.
So I'll blame

Alex (03:25):
that every time I play Cerebro.
Here's my experience, right?
This is pretty much everyone'sexperience.
It's like, all right, I gotCerebro Cerebral two.
Let's do it.
Third location after they Snap,it's Monster Island.
Cool.
Gigi's, I guess you know what Imean's?

Regis (03:37):
Like, it's like Dexter, like seems to love it.
He's just like always playingcerebral.
I hate it every time.
It's never fun.
It just never works.
I don't, I guess I'm doingsomething wrong.
I don't know.
It's just not my

Alex (03:49):
thought.
Yeah I'll be talking to likeDexter and we'll be talking
about Dexter, whatever, andhe'll be like, oh, you should
try like C seven.
I was like, no, I shouldn't.
Like he'll throw something sorandom.
Like he's, oh man, you're right.
Like there's, there'sconnoisseurs of cerebral and I'm
not one of them.

Regis (04:06):
Yeah.
And the videos do terrible everytime I post a cerebral video.
It does awful.
I have to hide the fact thatit's the cerebral video in the
thumbnail.
Like I used to always put thehelmet on characters, you know,
but then the views would justtank.
So now I don't do that anymore.
Like you can kind of get contextclues usually, but uh, it has to
be a surprise or nobody willclick the video.
So I don't know if we're alone.

(04:27):
I think everybody hates therebo, except that.

Alex (04:30):
That's kind of funny'cause my view, my views have just
tanked all across the boardanyway, whether it's cerebral or
not.
The views are just gone.

Regis (04:36):
Views are just gone.
That's, I've done a littlebetter this last month or two.
I was like in August or likeearly September, I was like, oh
boy, this is getting bad.
But it got a little better.
So maybe things are turningaround.
There's hope.

Alex (04:47):
I feel like the Kid Omega situation, like completely like.
Butchered views like so bad andit felt like, I guess with the
cadence of the limited time gamemodes and honestly give second
dinner credit, the generosity ofthe limited time game modes as
well.
I think that has gone a long wayto better the general consensus

(05:09):
around Marvel Snap.
And um, they also had theopportunity to, uh, they had
like the login bonus they gaveaway like a, you know, a pack
for series four or five.
I don't remember what it was.
I think it was a series fourpack, stuff like that.
All those small things add up tomake people feel more confident
in your game and more happy withyour game.
And at the end of the day,Marvel Snap has a reputation for

(05:29):
having a bad economy, an antiplayer economy and all that
stuff.
You're not gonna win that withadvertisers.
You're gonna win that with wordof mouth and continuing along
this path where you areimproving the sediment of all
the players and giving them areason to log in every single
day is it's gonna take time, butthis is where you start gaining
traction back.

Regis (05:50):
That's actually a really good insight.
You can't brute force advertiseyour way back into people's
hearts.
You know, you have to get atrusted source to kind of verify
it.
I see that in the YouTubecomments all the time.
Like, Hey Regis, is it a goodtime to come back to Marvel
Snap?
And I'm like, ah, you know, it'sprobably the best it's been
ever, maybe, but it's still notnecessarily perfect yet.
It's like I kind of hedge therecommendation, but I do think

(06:11):
more people are coming back.
I have a really weird anecdotalway to know that it's because,
um, like I've some people havenoticed I've lost a lot of
weight in the last, like yearand a half or so, and I've got a
lot of comments lately that arelike, Regis, I haven't watched
one of your videos in a while.
You look so much skinnier thanthe last time I was here.
And it's like, those are peoplewho used to watch me a year and

(06:31):
a half ago or whatever and arenow coming back to the game.
So I think they're doing an okayjob of like re-engaging some of
those lapsed Marvel Snap playerswho gave up long ago, which is a
good sign.
I guess I, I'm sort of hopefulmore than I've been in a long
time.

Alex (06:45):
You know, I wasn't gonna do this live on the podcast, but
I will say you do look like anabsolute stud muffin, I gotta
tell you.
Oh,

Regis (06:50):
thanks.

Alex (06:51):
You do look phenomenal.
So congratulations on all the,uh, all the success you've had
doing that.

Regis (06:56):
I, uh, I was trying to keep up with you, man.
Like, you look great.
Like we got the glasses thinggoing.
Like we're, we're just like thehandsome studs now.

Alex (07:03):
That's right.
We're just the handsome studmuffins.
This is now the, uh, the studmuffin chat cast.
I don't know.
I can't, I was on the spot, but,uh,

Regis (07:12):
the stud chat.
Yeah,

Alex (07:13):
the stud chat.
That's right, that's right.
So I still got some work to dothough.
Still some work to do, but, uh,I appreciate that, man.
But, uh, listen, all I wanna saythough is that it felt great to
see you in a casting role.
I think that you're absolutelyone of the leaders of the Marvel
Snap community.
I think you're one of theleaders of the content creator
community.
I think you're one of theleaders of the card gaming
community and for Marvel Snap torecognize the value you bring to

(07:37):
an event like that by having youkind of be one of the hosts on
the onset there.
I think it, it.
I think it's rightfullydeserved, and I'm glad that they
recognize that, that Regis was aguy to open that show to
showcase how far these eventshave gone.
So my man, I hope to see atanother one and hopefully,
hopefully maybe one day we canget you, uh, cast in the grand

(07:59):
finals or something.
Awesome.
That'd be cool too.

Regis (08:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wanna, I wanna do it with you,man.
We can team up Alex and Regis,uh, casting the, the, the world
champion.
Could you imagine?
That'd be sick, dude.
That'd be

Alex (08:09):
fun.
That would be fun.
That will be fun.
But it is a great time to be aMarvel Snap player because they
have done their best.
To change a couple cards thathave been potentially
problematic.
So Regis, we're gonna getstarted here with the OTA that
dropped here.
And, uh, we're gonna see here,we got a couple tops top up.
We're gonna be talking about thelatest OTA when you're going
through the review of all thecards that released last week.

(08:31):
We're talking about EzekielSims.
We're gonna talk aboutChameleon.
Chameleon.
Should have been on the topiclist.
I forgotten.
Uh, Regis was kind enough toremind me that that car does
actually exist and is coming outtomorrow if you're watching this
on Monday.
And we're also gonna do theseSnapchat Mail Bay, but Regis, in
the meantime, we had a prettyjuicy OTA starting with debris,
debris being changed to a threeseven, that odds, uh, on reveal

(08:51):
at a rock to each otherlocation.
What are your thoughts aroundthe change to debris?

Regis (08:57):
Yeah, notably not for both players anymore.
So, killing the clog aspect ofthis card.
But I actually think this iscool.
Number one, I did hate playingagainst, like full on clog
decks.
I always felt frustrating tolose your spots, you know, but,
um.
Decent stat, well, not good statline base, right?
Amazing stats.
Yeah.
But I think the, uh, I think thelike Little Rock thing and just
like we saw with Rhino as well,I think the rocks are a cool

(09:20):
little design space.
You got stuff like Merlin cards,you know, you can polymorph the
rocks.
You got stuff like Patriot whereyou can buff the rocks.
You know, it's a downside thatyou can kind of spin into an
upside in certain decks.
I was even thinking about like,zoo decks, kza like, Hey man,
there's something here withthese rocks.
So I actually like both debrisand rhino and I want to make
what I'm calling a DwayneJohnson, the rock deck where,

(09:43):
uh, we're gonna put all thesetogether, but I haven't gotten
around to it just yet.
Moleman Mole man's gonna be inthe mix too.

Alex (09:48):
Moleman, you know what's funny?
So, uh, Disney plus just added.
Fantastic Four to it and I'venever watched it.
And my wife and I, we gotthrough about the first 10
minutes of it before all thekids woke up.
And then we had to like, ittakes us like four months to
watch any movie.
Me Too.
And right at the start of it, itactually like shouts out like Mo
Man and like Mad Thinker.
I'm like, I know that.
It was like, you know, that memewith like the Leonard DiCaprio

(10:09):
where he is like this.
That was literally me watching,uh, the intro to that movie.
So yeah.
But anyways, to, to kind of gooff what you said with debris, I
agree a hundred percent andMerlin's one of my favorite
cards in Snap.
I think it's easily one of theabsolute best cards in the game.
That isn't true.
It doesn't get the respect, likeit's one of the best cards in
the game.
Like I think everyone knows it'slike really, really good.
But the extent of which it is soamazing.

(10:30):
I don't think people reallyvocalize, you know what I mean?

Regis (10:34):
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
He is, I think, crazy strong andactually just really fun.
Like, I think he's just cool,like every turn being a little
different and having differentthings to do and polymorphous so
random and chaotic as well.
And the location change israndom and chaotic.
That's the style of card Ifreaking love.
I'm all in on Merlin too,

Alex (10:51):
and I'm just gonna, once again, I'm just gonna do a
little tinfoil hat thing here.
I'm just gonna also say that,uh, also removing the clog
element of debris leaves alittle additional space open for
move.
Might be incentivized to do thatthis season, I don't know.
But anyways, um,

Regis (11:07):
I feel you.
A lot of

Alex (11:08):
move

Regis (11:08):
cards.
Uh, we got some move buffs andchanges and hey, what do you
know?
Look at that.

Alex (11:13):
We got another buff.
It's fan fee.
Uh, now a fourfour with slightdecrease on power, but now it
says activate, give your othercards here plus one power and
move them to the right.
A very similar effect, however,now providing additional power.
Regis, what are your thoughts onfan Fay?

Regis (11:31):
You know, I haven't played this yet and I really
haven't even thought about ityet, and I'll be honest, I kind
of forgot about it.
So maybe that's

Alex (11:37):
sign.
Same here.
That's why I pitched it to youright off the rip.

Regis (11:40):
Maybe that's sign.
Look

Alex (11:41):
at my green border, bro.
I haven't even split this.

Regis (11:44):
It matches though, it matches her outfit.
Well, so that's cool.
You know, like theoreticallythat plus one power can like
kind of scale up your humantorch a little faster or
something.
But I feel like this is stillgonna get left out.
It's just like weaving in aforecast, play into move decks
feels so hard to do when you'relike trying to get all those
other moving pieces together.

Alex (12:04):
Yeah.
Realistic.
I saw what you did there.
Realistically, let's get to amuch more juicy one.
This is kind of funny, I don'tknow if they felt like they had
to do this, but buffing hydrostomper to a three three A card
that reads ongoing plus onepower for each time one of your
cards move this game.
I'm gonna suggest there's a lotof movement happening right now
and hydro stomper is doingpretty good given what he's, uh,
the decks he's in right now.

(12:25):
Did he need a power buff?

Regis (12:27):
I don't, I, this one really stunned me'cause it's
like, no, I don't think so.
Like, already scaled.
Well we'd already seen him likecompeting really well too in
tournaments and stuff and likeyou're getting so many cards
that are going to make himnaturally better anyway.
Like, we're gonna look atEzekiel Sims later who I think
so like crazy good fit for this,uh, even spider punk and stuff
too, right?
All those little incrementalpieces.
So this one felt, you know, youkind of did your little

(12:49):
conspiracy spiel there, like,and they are, they juicing up
all the move cards.
This is the one that felt like alittle suspicious there for me,
where I'm like, this didn'treally need the help.
This was just like that extranudge where they're like, let's
make sure all the stuff we'reselling this month actually gets
there.
'cause it's like, why else doesthis need that extra plus one?
It's already pretty great

Alex (13:10):
buddy.
Just like literally 24 hoursafter the launch of the first
new se, like the new seasoncomes 24 hours in hot location.
Ant mace.
I'm like, okay bro.
Like I see you guys.
I see what you're doing there.
If you want to fast track toinfinite, buy the season pass,
buy like, you know, buy in babyand then use mates to get all

(13:30):
these free pros.
Let's go.
You know what I mean?
Oh, human, human torch doesn'tmatter.
You just bouncing aroundeverywhere.
Oh yeah.
Let me just say that, uh, itwould appear that they took very
good care of the, uh, the movemeta going into this particular,
uh, season.
But hold on, there's a card thathas not seen much play.
It is a move card and I'm gonnatell you, no conspiracy here.
I'm glad this thing got buffed.

(13:50):
Vision turns into a five nine.
This is a card I've always lovedand it's not getting the love of
deserves.
You remember when we used toeven play vision and like Surey
Bay acts and stuff like that?
Like remember those good olddays where that was how you put
up power is vision back.

Regis (14:05):
I think so actually, I, uh, I don't even know.
It's weird.
I, I feel like right before thebuff, he was actually already
coming back a little bit inthose like, uh, Legion storm,
uh, war machine decks as like anoption for those decks to have a
little more flexibility.
And then he also got a littlebuff.
So I, I don't know if it's gonnawork beyond that exact deck
anywhere else, but, uh, I thinkyou can, I think maybe even, I

(14:27):
heard Dexter was playing it inthat list and seemed to be doing
really well.
She really, I saw this pop upon.
C nine course, he's gonna go toC nine and we're gonna be like,
he's gonna make C nine the bestdeck of the game.
We're gonna be miserableforever.
We can't have any fun.
Anyway, I, I think vision'sactually kind of solid at five
nine.
Yeah.
It's intriguing.

Alex (14:45):
It absolutely is.
And this is like one of the,those examples of like a
borderline vanilla card thatlike all the combo centric stuff
gets lost in the mix.
And like, I love this.
I love a card like this.
It almost reminds me, okay, sohere's, this is a little bit of
a tangent, but I've been playinga lot of riff bound lately,
right?
The League of Legends card game,which I actually really enjoy.
It's a lot of fun.
I love all card games.
Riff Bound I think has a lot ofpotential.

(15:07):
And I've even been debatingabout like, you know, do some
content and stuff like thataround it.
I'm gonna be hosting a bunch oflike, local events in the
Toronto area.
Oh, by the way, people inToronto stay tuned.
I'm gonna be posting some stuffabout, uh, some local events for
for league.
Yeah.
Not even like sponsored stuff.
I just, there's a game store.
I love working with a game storethat I like going to and I'm
like, Hey, like, I like thisgame.
Could we do some communitystuff?
Like actual in person viewstuff?

(15:27):
So I got that stuff coming.
That's a whole otherconversation.
Why I bring it up with vision isbecause one of my favorite parts
about new games is that likethey don't become insanely combo
centric yet the cards arerelatively straightforward.
Do you remember Old school HerStone where like playing a like
a, A Yeti was an actual goodplay, you know what I mean?
Like there was somethingbeautiful about like when the

(15:48):
game is more simplistic and it'smore about like just the, the
macro management of your cardsand your pieces.
And I feel like vision is thatwhereas like now instead of
getting something like vision,we get something like Man
Spider, it gets to like 206power and it's like, what are we
even doing anymore?
There's something beautiful buta five nine that just moves.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's kind of what I missabout games.

(16:08):
'cause as they go on in time,it's like the designers are
like, we gotta add more sauce.
We gotta add more sauce.
It's like we just kind of wantsomething fun and interesting
And uh, I think vision brings meback to the good old days of
Marvel Snap.

Regis (16:20):
Yeah, I, I feel you.
Number one, don't besmirch mygood man, man, spider.
Okay.
I love man spider.
He's, he's immune to yourcriticisms here, although
they're valid.
But I do feel you like thepurity of it, right?
Like it just feels elegant andsimple and like still, honestly
really interesting simple designas far as like, you know, it's
really important to Marvel Snap,be able to move and redistribute

(16:42):
power, but it's like so pure andgraceful and every card today is
like three or four sentences oftext.
And you're right that it's like,um, design creep almost as much
as power creep.
'cause you gotta get the newexciting thing to sell to
people, right?
But I wish there were betterways to recapture those
feelings.
That's why I think a lot ofpeople crave like a draft mode,
because I think you'd have alower synergy, lower combo kind

(17:04):
of meta, and it would be moreabout just like numbers and
simplicity and like good cards,generic stuff like vision would
be a star.
In a like draft mode, right?
'cause he's just like, good.
And I was looking too at likefive drops.
He's like the third biggest fivedrop.
Now it's only Aga Moto and RedSkull.
Some like Gamora or BlackPanther, you know, can get
bigger.
Yeah.
But like he's actually prettybig for a five drop, which is

(17:26):
uh, cool.
So yeah.
And also the character's justlike an iconic Marvel character
too.
One of the few characters I knewbefore the Marvel movies or
certainly before playing MarvelSnap, right?
Like I just knew this character.
So always nice when they get alittle love.

Alex (17:39):
One of my kids' favorite scenes because I show them like
select snippets from like Marvelmovies and stuff is the one
where vision is born from thethat Tron casket.
And uh, my kids love it.
'cause my kids, they love Ulner.
They love Thor.
And obviously, and this is avery Minoru spoiler, so
earmuffs, if you don't want tohear this, this is very Minoru.
But there is a moment in the ageof Ultron where vision picks up

(18:03):
Ulner.
To prove that he's pure ofheart, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And my kids like, they're like,whoa.
Oh, like they love it.
They go nuts for it.
Right?
Which is, which is funny.
So, um, but yeah, like I, I'mall for vision.
Getting some love here.
As There's another card

Regis (18:18):
just real quick.
You're giving spoiler alertwarnings for like a 12-year-old
movie or something.
I don't even know when that cameout, but it's before ever ago.
I think it's still fair.
Pure of heart yourself.
You could lift Ulner'cause youare pure of heart giving a
spoiler alert for a 12-year-oldmost popular movie in the world.

Alex (18:34):
I do.
You know, actually I have amule.

Regis (18:37):
Oh, really?

Alex (18:38):
I have like a giant mule.
It's like it's too far.
I would have to get up to go getit, but I have a pretty big mule
there and it does like soundeffects and everything.
That's maybe a toy for anothertime.
But yeah, that you got it, yougot the spoilers.

Regis (18:50):
10, 10-year-old Spoiler alert there, dude.
That's your you pure of heart.

Alex (18:54):
That's a thank you.
I appreciate it.
The one thing that's like, okay,so my kids love Marvel movies.
I know this is a bit of atangent, and so like, we've been
watching like select parts ofhim, like when Ironman like
finalizes his suit and he fliesit for the first time, the kids'
eating the ice cream and theFerris wheel and stuff.
That kid, my kids love all thosethings, but I have to learn like
what they can watch and whatthey can't.
So they're, my kids loveDeadpool as well and they keep

(19:15):
saying like, they keep sayingthey wanna see the buy, buy, buy
part, which is like, they'rereferring to the end Sing song.
I'm like, my wife's like goingto put it on YouTube.
I'm like, no.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure helike.
Takes Wolverine's like skeletonand like beats people to death
with it or something.
Like, it is not a child friendlymovie.
I'm like, do not pull up YouTubevideos on the Deadpool movie.

(19:36):
And she's like, okay, I won't dothat.
Then I'm like, yes, don't dothat.
I'm

Regis (19:39):
trying to think, I'm trying to think of a single
scene in Deadpool that'sappropriate for children and
nothing's coming to mind, but Idon't know.

Alex (19:45):
Yeah, I don't know how I think we're gonna have to pass
on that one, unfortunately.

Regis (19:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's

Alex (19:49):
tough.
But, uh, a, a awesome movie andI'm hoping to provide a review
of the Fantastic four when Ifinish it in two months time.
But what do, we're pure, we're

Regis (19:58):
the same, by the way.

Alex (19:59):
Really?

Regis (20:00):
Yeah.
We haven't watched it yet, butwe're planning to, we

Alex (20:02):
talk about Pure of Heart.
Regis, I, I'm gonna give you thefloor on this one.
Read out this card.
This absolute beauty

Regis (20:08):
m Baku is now a one three at the end of the game.
This jumps from your deck.
It's your lowest power locationthat isn't full.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I forgot that he's lowest powerlocation still.
They changed that a while ago.
I forgot.
I just played this card thisweek.
I about that.
If you would've asked me, Iwould've forgot

Alex (20:26):
that too.

Regis (20:27):
Yeah, I totally forgot.
I did a whole video and didn'tremember, I don't think it came
up.
'cause I was usually fillinglocations or whatever, but man
yeah, that's why I played C3,right.
I tried to play this with lockjaw, which was pretty fun.
It was cool, but just didn't dothat well for me.

Alex (20:40):
Is

Regis (20:40):
this an ahum

Alex (20:41):
buff?

Regis (20:42):
Yeah, I think, I think somebody played it in ahum in,
uh, the golden gauntlet.
Like a serious competitiveplayer, I think.

Alex (20:49):
Nice.

Regis (20:49):
Which makes sense.
If you dex that deep, like he's,he's free three power, you know,
that can add up.
So I love, I love

Alex (20:54):
KU and this, this had to happen eventually.

Regis (20:57):
Yeah.
Should he ever go to hand oronly deck?

Alex (21:01):
You know what?
That's a good question.
I wonder if, um, Baku would beabsolutely cracked if it was
from hand.
I think it would be, wouldn'tit?

Regis (21:07):
Probably as a one three would be a little cracked.
Yeah.
Maybe it as a one, two.
I think you could do it.

Alex (21:11):
But you know what, I'm, I'm at a point in my Marvel Snap
career.
If you're gonna allow the gameto get broken by, um, Baku, I'm
here for it.
If you guys wanna buff that and,um, Baku breaks the game, that's
fine.
We'll take that risk.
Now I have some additionalcontext about the misery change
misery going down to a fiveeight.
I would've surprised a whole lotof people.
Regis, were you surprised?

Regis (21:30):
Not surprised necessarily.
No.
I mean, I, I see her a lot.
Uh, it's good with hood.
I also like wasn't stressedabout misery, I guess, either
necessarily though.
So I was kind of neutral, Isuppose.

Alex (21:42):
Oh, thanks for, uh, you know, ruining my epic moment.
You're supposed to be like,yeah, I was surprised Alex.
I had no idea that misery.
There's no way I would'vepredicted this.
And I'd be like, well, I gotnews for you'cause I got some
inside baseball.
So I have a little fun storyabout how I knew this misery
change was coming.
So, and this has been likemonths in the works, I think,
and it's been something that's,so when I was at pax, we did the
ps PAX West Meetup in Seattlewhere a whole bunch of people

(22:05):
that play Snap and developerswere there.
And I actually was kind ofwandering around and um, Glen
was speaking with, I believeGregor actually, and uh, who's a
fellow content creator andstreamer.
And they were discussing likesome cars that they think might
be really strong.
And Glen off, like just the cuffsaid, I think misery is probably
too strong.
We don't get complaints aboutit, but I think Misery's, like

(22:27):
probably a Nerf candidate.
And I was like, yo, I'm like,really misery?
He's like, yeah, I think thatcard's really good.
And I was thinking to myselflike, wow.
Glen thinks misery deserves anerve.
And then I remember, like, Ididn't say that out loud because
I don't wanna like, you know,tip my hand at like having all
this insider information, butlike, I was out there and I was
like playing.
I was like, man, misery isreally damn good.
And then like shortly after theVictoria hand deck started, like

(22:49):
really popping off, I was like,Glen's a mastermind.
I think he, I think Glenactually low key has like, like,
you know how authors have a,like a pen name.
He must be out there somewherelike just feeding Medex in.
He's like, I want a Nerf misery.
And he's like, I'm gonna make adeck that just is so cracked.
And he just feeds it in as likesome random gamer on like
Reddit.

(23:09):
And then it's like, now I canNerf misery.
And he does it.
That that's my, that's my take.

Regis (23:14):
What if I'm secretly Glenn Jones?

Alex (23:17):
It's possible.
Maybe you are.
Maybe you are.
I

Regis (23:19):
feel like a mission impossible mask I put on, it's

Alex (23:23):
like one of those high tech ones, like those
holographic masks.

Regis (23:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah, no, that's, uh, Imean, yeah, misery's good.
I, yeah, sorry I ruined yourmoment.
Uh, I mean, I get the, it's, Iget the OTA notes early now, so
I, I knew I guess a few days inadvance, but you knew months in
advance.
You're really cool.

Alex (23:39):
That's right.
I was on top of it, but I hadlike, legit, like you had to be
there to know, yeah.
Um, this is me showcasing, Idon't know how to spell the
word, cosmic.
Cosmic ghost rider.
Going down to a five six.
We're gonna try and get throughthe OTA notes a little faster.
We only have one more card afterthis anyways, but, uh, res what
are your thoughts on the cosmicghost rider?

Regis (23:56):
Yeah, totally good, good little tiny change to a card
that was probably showing up toomuch, I think, and maybe
frustrating people a little toomuch, so I like it.

Alex (24:05):
That's the appropriate take.
I think, you know what?
Honestly, it was a good card andit still feels like one of
Marvel snaps, like genuinecatchalls.
For tech.
But now that you have vision atfive nine that five six stat
line does feel particularlyweak.
However, however, you're

Regis (24:19):
gonna cut every five drop for vision.
I love it.

Alex (24:22):
Yeah.
Every five drop, like, oh,you're playing mans, but no just
vision.
Sorry.
Um, the first Ghost rider, Todd,about cards I actually forgot,
existed in Marvel Snap going atwo seven, which I believe was
its original stat line and thenthey nerfed it'cause they
thought it was gonna be toostrong.
Regis, am I right wrong?
I don't know.
Do you remember this?

Regis (24:38):
Uh, I think in the data mines or something, it was a two
seven, I think it got releasedmaybe as a two five.
Is that right?
I don't remember.
I don it's been all over theplace.
It was some still, I don't thinkit's any good is what's crazy.
Like I, I think some people areplaying like a Cerebro seven
deck with fire Lord orsomething.
I saw maybe even Dexter wasdoing that, I forget.
But I don't think God gonna playthis much.

Alex (24:59):
If, if we were to take a shot every time you brought up
Dexter or Cerebral in thispodcast, people would be getting
their stomach pumped already.

Regis (25:07):
I love Dexter and I hate cerebral.
So it's just like, you know, thetwo extremes.
I love Dexter more thananything, and I hate cerebral
the, the most.
I'm just getting the, I'mgetting the clicks, man.
This is how you get the clicks.

Alex (25:18):
Yeah, you gotta get the clicks.
You gotta get the clicks.
But with that being said, it'sfunny that Cosmo Ghost Rider, or
the first ghost writer, I shouldsay, has not been able to make
like a cons deck work.
Like these are huge stats thatnaturally synergize with cons.
There's gotta be somethingthere, right?
Like get rid of a gore, you knowwhat I mean?
Or something like that.
There's gotta be something.

Regis (25:37):
Yeah, I bet somebody could put together a Good Gore
or Iron Man Consu deck.
Um, is there anything with likethinking about gala, uh, zombie
Galati?
Can I do something with zombieGalati now?
Probably

Alex (25:48):
not.
Oh, now we're really coping.

Regis (25:49):
I like chu and Zombie Galati together, but that's, I
don't know.
You do it.
You make the cool deck.

Alex (25:55):
I I gotta do it now.
I mean, even if you just cosmicGhost Rider Dracula and then
bring that back with Concho.
That works, doesn't it?

Regis (26:02):
Yeah, something

Alex (26:03):
like that.
Yeah.
See look, we're already cooking.
Boom.
We just changed the metacompletely.
Yeah.

Regis (26:07):
Solved it.
Yeah,

Alex (26:08):
solved it.
It's done.
The meta's over as we are gonnatalk about the newest cards to
enter Marvel Snap.
That's right.
We're getting into the new stuffhere.
We got some stats to talk about,released as the season pass
card.
Regis, we have spider punk.
A three three.
You can move this once when thismoves to a location.
Steal two power from yourhighest power enemy here, Regis.

(26:28):
I'll give you the floor butbefore I do so, I'll let you
guys know that statistically thecart is doing particularly well.
Do note though, this is thefirst week since the new season,
so we are using bot inflatedstats ranked 72 a hundred on
untapped, looking like mostdecks are hitting that 59 to 60%
win rate range for uh, spiderpunk.
Regis, what are your thoughts?

Regis (26:49):
I, I love how you say it.
I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna letyou give your reaction, but
here's the official data thatyou can't argue with.
No, I may, that sounds rightthat I don't disagree with the
data here.
I like it.
I think he's like good a goodmove card if you're like
supporting him with extra moves,doesn't compete with torch in
that world, but also maybe likegenerically kind of good, just
like a three seven basically,that has some flexibility with

(27:09):
moves and location.
So, um, you know, it lives notlike, og NOC turn space for me a
little bit, right?
Like that three drop that canmove a little bit and does a
little something extra.
I like him fine.
Yeah.
I think actually I was nervousabout his buff, but I think he's
okay at a three three, by theway.
That's fine.

Alex (27:25):
He's definitely okay at a three three.
But you bring up a reallyimportant point.
First of all, I actually reallylike spider punk.
I think it's a really fun card.
I think it's well designed.
I think it's flashy.
I think what it does is reallycool.
I think it puts up good powerand in every other circumstance,
I think this is a fantasticcard, but you kind of touched on
it and it's, it's the otherthree costs.
It's the problem.

(27:45):
It's like, it's so unbelievablyovershadowed by what human torch
does that, I feel like thecomparison's not fair.
It's such an apples to orangecomparison because you're never,
if you're holding both on turnthree, you're never playing
Spider Punch.

Regis (27:58):
True.

Alex (27:58):
Every night I

Regis (27:59):
ran set, I ran that recording my video.
Yeah.
I was always like, I wannashowcase the new card in my
video.
And it was like, I always hadtorch in hand and it was like,
oh, okay.
The new card just gets to sitand watch.
I guess that sucked.

Alex (28:09):
Yeah.
And I think I even, I had a clipin my video too, where I'm like,
no, this is educational.
I cannot play spider punk here.
And you need to know this.
Like, you need to know this.
If you're thinking aboutdropping, you know, 10 buckaroos
on, on, uh, I was gonna sayhuman torch, which I still have
up here on the, uh, the punk ofthe spiders because yeah, he
gets completely overshadowed byhuman torch, which I think is

(28:30):
really unfortunate.
'cause from a designperspective, I think spider punk
is cooler.
I think it's probably more fun.

Regis (28:36):
Yeah.

Alex (28:37):
And it does something really interesting.
But like, I had games where Iwas moving spider punk a whole
ton, and it was like, okay, Icould do that.
Or I can like get human torchover 50.
It's like, it's kind of stupid.

Regis (28:50):
Yeah.
It's, um, yeah, I think youprobably are identifying that
torch might be too good of anenabler for move deck.
I, I, I don't know if you lookedat the data.
I hadn't really until just now.
Is Spider punk getting played inother decks successfully or like
only move adjacent stuff?
Can he be Oh, like here's aWiccan deck.
He's okay in for instance.
No, that's an affliction deckactually.

(29:10):
I don't know.
Yeah, I, in other words, if hehad his own like separate
identity, I'd be less stressedabout the torch thing.
But it seems like most of hisdecks have torch, which means

Alex (29:20):
Yes, the top four ones that I have that I took just
before the podcast, um, they dohave torch in it.
There is a scream variation thatdoes not use human torch, which
is kind of fun.
Um, and I actually prefer that.
And if anything, given howpopular move is, I'm totally
happy playing Scream and alsojust a fantastic bundle right
now where for gold, I think it'sa pretty good bundle from, uh,
from an actual, like progressionin credits and whatever token's

(29:43):
perspective, good conversion ofgold into stuff, but like.
Spider punk and scream is good.
I think it's cool you Duff andstuff like that.
And uh, it's a d it's not even,that's the thing with Scream.
You don't even counter play movethat much.
'cause then they're like, wellmaybe I won't play.
Maybe we'll just carry Daggerand Dagger will just move around
and stuff like that.
Right.
And people forget Dagger'sactually really good too.

(30:04):
But yeah, that's kind of where Ithink, I think Spider Punk is a
really cool card.
I think it puts up good power.
It is just in this weirdpigeonhole because it's like,
well, I can't really do whatHuman Torch does.
Human Torch is just simply thecarry card for the archetype.
To the point where I wonder if alot of the stats that we're
seeing, like, oh, we can saySpider Punk has a 60% win rate
on aggregate, but it's beingcarried by other cards.

(30:26):
It's being played in anarchetype that is just being so
pumped with so many buffs thatrealistically, what else could
you expect?

Regis (30:34):
I think that's a good, that's a good insight.
Yeah.
He's also just by the way coollooking like, I think spider
punk looks so awesome.
Like he just looks likesomething about a superhero with
a guitar.
Like I'm just in on that.
Like I just wanna see him in mygames.
So I'm really,

Alex (30:48):
yeah, no, it definitely is a cool card.
And so, uh, generally speaking,like are you yay or me on, uh,
this season pass purchase?

Regis (30:56):
Oh, that's hard to say.
I probably lean a little Yay.
'cause I see some potential downthe road, but I'm like hesitant
with it because, I dunno, itdepends on if you value fun or
purely like, it doesn't likecreate a new deck or like really
make your decks crazy.
But I also think he's like goodto have, sort of gay.
Is that a fair?

Alex (31:14):
And as content creators, it's always easy for us to spend
your hard earned money.
Yeah, of course.
So of course, of course yougotta know what your collection
looks like and what you wannaplay.
'cause if you don't wanna playmove, then you're gonna wanna
wait to see exactly what Regitsaid before.
Does it work in affliction?
Can it work there?
Right?
And if that's the type of deckyou wanna play in, then sure.
But if you're just, I'm nevergonna play move, then this card
is probably something you do notwant to invest in.

(31:35):
Uh, regardless though, it'sdoing pretty well overall.
And uh, it looks like it's gonnabe a mainstay as long as move is
going to remain relevant.
Now I'm gonna give you the flooron this one.
You said you love it.
It's Mans Spider, the five onethat reads on reveal Merge.
The last card you played intothis, when this merges double
its power.
Regis, why do you love thiscard?

Regis (31:56):
I, I just like big numbers.
I know we talked about thepurity of Marvel Snap, which I
do also appreciate, but I alsolike big dumb numbers as long as
I don't feel too broken or toopowerful, right?
And.
Man spider with, uh, absorbingman in particular, they have
that weird interaction wherethey both take on this text,
which means they both doubletheir power when they merge.

(32:18):
So when they merge together it'sdoubling it twice or four x-ing
the power.
And you could just get theselike absurdly huge, like 200
power man spiders or whatever.
And then, you know, you, youtask master or uh, you know, AUM
Zola or whatever, and you justit's totally absurd.
I think it's kind of okaybecause, you know, shadow King
and Sean Key, uh, Sean Chin, allthese cards exist same time.

(32:40):
It's, I know it's scares somepeople away and it's, since it's
the premium called the premiumseason pass, the premium, it is

Alex (32:46):
the super premium.
Yeah.
You gotta

Regis (32:47):
pay big.
I never know the names

Alex (32:48):
Big Buck Roonie for this one.

Regis (32:50):
That's always a little frustrating, I think for players
when you see a card hit like 200power or whatever and it's like
the only way to get, it's to pay$20, you know?
I guess, I guess you could spendtokens now, right?
Still to get these, but still,you know.
Yeah.
It's an expensive commitmenteither way.
You know, you're always likebalancing that side of it from,
but from a purely like I'mmaking big stupid numbers
standpoint, it's like, oh, Ilike it.

(33:11):
Uh, you know, it's hard for meto resist.
It's like, like a YouTuber firstand foremost.
Maybe you get to make some bigdumb numbers, which is cool.

Alex (33:18):
Yeah, and I think that it's very, uh, analogous to like
how it felt to play blob earlyon where you're like, yo, look
how dumb I can make blob.
And it feels like that kind of,uh, but what I will say is like,
again, a little bit tinfoil hattheory here, but your nerve
shachi.
Nerf Shadow King.
We also forgot going into thismove season that Mercury got

(33:38):
Nerfed.

Regis (33:38):
Yeah, mercury too.
Let's, I

Alex (33:40):
forget that either.
So like you nerfed a lot of thetech cards and then suddenly
it's like, yo, you guys wannasee power check out man Spider.
Getting the, I think the problemwith this line, honestly, it's
when this merges double aspower, it should be like once
per game.
Like it's so dumb that like you,you do this with abs man on top
of agony and then you play like,penny Parker spider on it, it's

(34:03):
like boom, boom, boom, boom, 600power.
And you're like sick.
Like what?
Yes.
You just answer.
Like if, if they Snap on you,they have SHS or you know,
shadow, caring, whatever.
Right.
But like realistically, likethat's insane.
It's absolutely insane.
Like the power levels and it'sprobably'cause of these, these
replicated mergers.

Regis (34:20):
Yeah.
Does it have great data?
I haven't really kept up much.
I climbed really easily withthis when I was playing it.
I know, but I didn't actuallylook at the wider.
Wider data out there.
It looks like it's good with Mr.
Negative decks, but maybe not.
Yeah, actually there's quite afew positive lists it looks
like, huh?

Alex (34:37):
Yeah.
Generally speaking, what Ipulled from a win rate
perspective just prior to the,uh, the podcast here, uh,
approximately 59% win rate wasthe salons based shells with
scar.
And then we had also the ArtemZola Black Panther kind of
merger deck.
That's, that's, that's

Regis (34:50):
what I was playing.
Yeah.

Alex (34:52):
Yeah.
Which is running a 57% win rate.
So win rates are good.
Still bottom inflated though.
I do think that the, um.
I bet you there's a lot ofsituations here where people are
like staying in games andgetting, they're getting hunky,
they're getting shadow King.
'cause those cards still exist.
They're still valuable.
And if anything, I think thiscard is a really good example of
like, if you don't havenecessary tech pieces in your

(35:13):
deck, you might just get cooked.
Like you kind of have to run thetech despite the fact that
they've nerfed them so far back.
But, um, there's no questionabout it that man, spider's
producing absolutely insanepower levels.
And I think that it's, it'sprobably gonna be relevant.
Like I, I don't know if thestats early on, early on even
indicate that it's in Nerfterritory.

(35:34):
It feels like it should be, butalso like you have these
inexpensive answers thatcompletely shut this card down.
It's just a matter of runningthem, you know what I mean?
So like what are your thoughtson whether or not this could
potentially see a Nerfconsidering it's getting like
over a hundred power on aregular basis?

Regis (35:50):
Yeah, I, I mean, I feel like second dinner.
Probably nerfs more on data thansentiment.
Is that fair to say?
I think that's fair to say.
I've never really thought aboutit before they do.
But yeah, it seems like, youknow, in other words, cards that
are like frustrating or really,uh, this is like a really big
moment and like, you know, itcreates a lot of like, oh, that

(36:10):
dude's insane.
300 power, which is frustratingfor players, but if the data is
healthy, it may not get nerfedanyway, right?
So they may just say, oh, thedata's fine.
Which it is true.
Sometimes cards like that, youknow, they get a lot of play
when they're hyped and new.
But if the data's not there,sometimes they do fall off as
people trend towards justplaying the better thing.
That's it.
I, I think it looks pretty goodanyway, so it's a potential

(36:33):
candidate, I would say.
And also anytime a future mergecard comes out, you know,
there's another way to juice itup even further.
So could just keep gettingbetter too.

Alex (36:42):
It's hard to say, like actually when you bring that up,
like the data oriented, uh, kindof nerfing, they do, it reminds
me of that time, this was awhile back where they nerfed
Dark Hawk and it had like a 1%play rate on Untapped.
They like the skirt's prettygood.
People just don't know it.
I'm like.
Well then like, why not just letpeople figure it out?
Like, I don't know, like why arewe ing a card that no one's
playing?
Like I, I would kind of like,again, I'm not a game dev and a

(37:04):
game designer, but likesometimes those types of changes
baffle me a bit.
It's like, I think you need toimprove, like, what people are
actually experiencing, right?
Like what are, what are peopleactually experiencing when they
boot up Marvel Snap, whilethey're on the, can improve that
experience for people, right?
And if man Spider is makingtheir experience feel worse,
then maybe you gotta take a lookat it.
But it has, like, the thing isas a five one, like the

(37:26):
potential downswing of like ashadow king is immense.
Like, it's not like a, a redskull that still has it's native
power.
Like this thing turns into apile of garbage if you hit it
with that tech piece, right?
So I guess it does have that,that very wide gamut of like
potential swing,

Regis (37:43):
yeah.
I think sometimes though thoselike really binary results where
it's like either giga busted orgiga terrible, that actually is
even more frustrating than likea smoother spectrum of results,
right?
'cause sometimes that feels.
A little more approachable ormanageable or whatever.
So it's like, in that case, it'sactually really frustrating for
both players.
The man spider player has no funbecause their card goes back to

(38:04):
a five one and you know, theother guy when it, when it's 300
power has zero fun.
'cause the card's 300 power.
There's not like a lot of rangein between.
So I do think that likesometimes devs over rely on data
or over index on data a littlebit when it comes to balance
changes because it's like, it'salmost like they're trying to
seek some objective truth aboutthe, like, reality of the cards

(38:26):
or whatever.
But video games aren't objectivetruth.
They only exist through theperception of their players,
right?
You're not trying to achievesome perfect mathematical
balance.
You're trying to make peoplehave fun.
And if you lose sight of thatobjective, you're not really
serving the game or the playeranymore, right?
You're serving some abstractdata.

(38:46):
God, that doesn't do anything.
Like, I wanna make the game funfor the player first.
And you know, obviously there's.
Nuance to that and like data canstill influence that.
I'm not saying ignore dataaltogether, but like I do think
indexing on the playerexperience is more important.
And I am kind of, sort of a gamedev now, I guess.
So maybe I lend a tiny air ofauthority, the tiniest little

(39:08):
inch of authority to that.
But I had a, you

Alex (39:11):
are a game dev, sir.
We gotta do an updated videosometime with all this stuff.
Yeah, I literally, I'll log intosteam and like, it feels like
almost every second day.
It's like an update.
It's an update.
Like you constantly, the amountof updates you guys are doing is
absolutely insane.

Regis (39:24):
Yeah, we've changed a lot since we played together a lot
of new tutorials too, so I thinkyour onboarding experience would
be better, but we're stillgetting better all the time.

Alex (39:30):
That's awesome,

Regis (39:31):
man.
We'll, I'll talk to you soon.
We're making some big.

Alex (39:33):
Okay, cool.
Yeah, definitely keep me in theloop.
We'd love to.
And uh, what I will say as wellis, uh, you brought up the
binary experiences of Snap and Ifelt like the ranked ladder has
been very much this, where it'slike I've gotten to the point
where I don't, I don't likeretreating in Snap.
Like, I, I, let me clarify that.
I understand it's merit, Iunderstand it's competitive
merit and I think it's reallycool in those circumstances.

(39:54):
However, sometimes I feel likegames are turning into, if you
don't have tech pieces it's, oh,they got their man spider big, I
gotta leave, right?
Oh, it's like, I feel like gamesget to like turn five and six
and people are like, either likethey decide whether they win or
lose right there, and the gamesnever see themselves out because
of these kind of very binary,like, you either have a thing or
you don't, they do the thing oryou don't, or like, so I would

(40:17):
like to lean away from thatbecause I think that adding the
tech cards back into the deck,like having Sean Chi is the
thing that keeps you in the gameafter they Snap.
That's where the cube equity is.
Um, and I just would like to seemore games get closed out.
'cause I feel like, uh, there'sso much retreating on the ranked
ladder right now and I thinkpart of that's because they've
improved the bots to be muchmore aggressive.

(40:38):
They've actually, I thinkthey've made it so that like
they've reduced the number oflike, kind of like, oh, you lost
a couple games.
Here's a dirt bot for you to getyour four cubes in just to kind
of keep you on your way.
They've reduced all that, so nowthe ladder feels sweatier than
ever and people are much morehesitant to take any risks in
their matches prior to gettingto infinite.
And so hopefully we can get someof that, uh, that feeling back.

(41:00):
Have you felt the ladderingexperience being slightly
different?

Regis (41:04):
I, uh, I'm not the best to answer this'cause my
experience has been verydifferent because I have not
been playing as much like eversince we've put our game out,
which I'm not trying to.
Chill my game too much, but justliterally this experi and I
haven't even said the names, so,you know, I'm not chilling.
I've been playing my game somuch as a game dev, working with

(41:25):
people and like, just constantlytrying to experiment and balance
and like playing so much.
I don't ever play Snap offstream.
Like this last season, I had toplay five hours on Monday night
before the final day of thereset to hit infinite.
I had never not hit infinitebefore, so I stayed up like till
3:00 AM to hit infinite thatnight just to make sure I got it
done, you know?
So in other words, I climbedfrom like 84 to a hundred in

(41:49):
like a day and a half all atonce.
And I, it was like so condensed.
I don't even know what myexperience was like.
I I don't know.
It was like the last day of themonth too.
So like, it was probably atotally different player pool
and it didn't feel that bad tome.
I just played a Wiccan deck andkind of cruised, to be honest.
So I don't know, might have justplayed a really good deck.
I'm, but I hear you and I, Ihear a lot of players that do

(42:09):
have frustrations.
I feel like.
Something's in the mix.
Part of me thinks if the playerpopulation went down, maybe
there are just more bots.
And that's creating weirdnesstoo.
I don't know.
It's something going on now.

Alex (42:20):
Yeah, no, for sure.
And, uh, we're gonna go out on awhim here and say that, uh, your
game absolutely has to get shuh, shout out.
Project Sky Shard is gonna belinked in the description down
below.
It's free to download duringthis, uh, this early window of
time where you get to experiencethe love and you and I made a
video together.
I had a ton of fun.
I'm, I was awful at it.

(42:41):
I was absolutely awful.

Regis (42:43):
You'll be better now.
We made, we made it easier toget good faster.
Don't worry.
That's what

Alex (42:46):
we're, so that'll be linked down below guys and, uh,
yeah.
It's honestly a fun game andit's, it's really cool because
I, I think that like, it's, uh.
It's a really creative approachto like, kind of like auto
battling, base building andstuff like that.
And I think that, uh, you guysare doing a fantastic job.
And I'm not joking when I saythat literally there's an update
like every second day.
Like you guys are doing atremendous amount of work on it.
So yeah.
Project Skyr free demo on SteamLink down below.

(43:10):
Thank

Regis (43:10):
you.
Go check it out.
Thank you.
I don't wanna shill.
It's not why I'm here.
We're here to, but thank you.

Alex (43:13):
I'm shilling for you, bud.

Regis (43:14):
Thank you.
Thank you.

Alex (43:16):
Do you wanna lead us in into the superior Spider-Man?
Who, for the record?
Yeah, I chose as my card of themonth.
This was my five star of themonth.
What do you mean?
Oh.

Regis (43:26):
Oh, well.
Okay.
Superior Spider-Man.
A new three, four series five atthe start of each turn.
You get plus one energy if youhave any cards with increased
power in play.
Alex why don't you, uh, tell uswhat you think about this card
and why it is for sure the bestcard of the month and an easy
five star review.

Alex (43:46):
So I like what you did there because like going into
the first review, I gave you thestats up front that didn't give
you any wiggle room and nowyou've done the same to me.
You're like, Hey Alex Clown,wait a call out to this card
that was gonna be better thanMan Mans Spider.
For what it's worth, I gave MansSpider a 4.5 and I'm like, this
card's gonna be insane.
I just thought that long term,that Superior Spider-Man was

(44:07):
gonna be in such a wide breadthof decks, I felt like Man
Spider, which I did call, wasgonna be insane, was gonna be
very narrow in its focus, verynarrow in its niche, and I felt
like the superior Spider-Man hadsuch like so many decks it could
be played in where it's likeultimately it was gonna be the
top.
The top cheese now,statistically right now, it's

(44:27):
not.
The top cheese man thing isdefinitely a man thing.
What the heck am I saying?
Man?
Spider is definitely gonna bebetter.
And even the move shells are,are overperforming.
This, like the decks that you'reseeing with Superior Spider-Man
are running approximately 59%win rates, 58% win rates in that
particular range.
And they're cool, they're good.
They're just not crazy.

(44:47):
Um, what I actually really likedis you have a 57% win rate, uh,
deck with high Evo that's kindof doing okay, because those are
gonna run things like.
Sunspot Nebula, Misty night,Silver Sable even makes those
decks.
And so as a result, you end upgetting like the immediate p
proc and like Eva loves theextra energy, it's gonna do so
much with it, right?

(45:07):
But in this current meta that wehave, it's so hard to compete
with like that saucy move thatgets human torch, insane powers
and man spider, which goesabsolutely insane.
I feel like this is an amazingcard any other week, of any
other season, but thisparticular week is being
overshadowed by some absoluteridiculous insanity.

Regis (45:29):
Yeah, you might be right.
I So for context, I gave thiscard a three out of four.
I do a four star scale.
So I, in other words, I didn'tthink it was gonna be the best,
I thought it was gonna be goodplayable card, but I actually
said the opposite.
I thought it was gonna be reallynarrow and only be good in a
couple decks max because I, andI think this might still be true
even after playing it.

(45:50):
Yeah, I think it's harder thanpeople realize to get a green
number on board.
He's gotta have a green numberon board.
Basically some buffed number.
Right.
I think it's hard to get a hiEvo is basically the one deck
that pretty reliably gets buffedcards out early.
You know, you got sunspot, theyrun Nebula, um, they're running
Silver Sable in, in there forthe like, affliction, uh, you
know, abomination kind of thingtogether.

(46:12):
A lot of decks don't justnaturally do that though.
Like other decks are gonna haveto change the deck in order to
make superior Spider-Man work.
Like you're gonna have to addweird stuff in, like, you're
gonna have to run a Silver sableand you don't, maybe, maybe
don't want to.
It's not like a natural fit.
I would say even the hi Evodeck, it's not like the most
obvious thing.
It's kind of a fit.
So I was worried that like.

(46:33):
Tweaking your deck to supportsuperior Spider-Man.
Like you could probably do it.
It's not hard to do, but thereis like an opportunity cost
there.
And then you also need to makesure you have like the payoff,
which VO again has a really goodpayoff.
They love the extra energy forlike she Hulk skips and stuff,
and Hulk having extra energyunturned.
Six is great for his power goingup.
So like VO is actually sort ofthe perfect shell for this,

(46:56):
where it does both the conditionand the payoff really
satisfyingly.
But when I go through otherdecks, there aren't too many or
I'd see that.
I think like, um, hoard decksare okay'cause like the hunger,
it's a big one, green number andlike Mr.
Fantastic, uh, zombie fantasticgives you a green number.
So that makes sense.
But it's like, I'm not sayingthere won't be more in the
future.
'cause you always get more andmore cards that can enable this.

(47:18):
And every deck of course canutilize extra energy to some
extent.
But it's just, I think there hasto be a little bit of a
crossover between both of thoseand.
I'm worried about the number ofdecks that are willing to kind
of sacrifice their early game inorder to achieve this condition.
Basically.
I don't know how many will, butmore probably will over time.
So I think you're probably rightin some way.

Alex (47:37):
Like the way I think about it, like this feels like some of
the freest energy you get inSnap.
Like think about what you haveto do with electro.
Well now electro you just manspiders.
So that's another conversation.
But you have like Jennifer Kale,right?
You have Wicken who you have toplay on Curve.
You run like Domino Quicksilver,who isn't even that bad anymore.
Wicken single handedly madethose two cars play well.

(47:57):
Domino needed a Bauer buff.
You have Luna Snow, which givesthe kind of a reciprocated
effect.
Like this is just every turnboom.
As long as that green thing, youplay the hunger turn one or Mr.
A Fanta turn two and all of asudden this guy is just allowing
you to do whatever you want.
It's free real estate.
You got seven.
Like it's beautiful.

(48:17):
And that's kind of what Ithought, like of all the ramp
cards, this feels likerelatively low committal.
And I think you're right.
I feel like it'll get betterover time'cause yes.
Are you shoehorning somethinglike a Silver Sable into Evo?
Kind of.
You kind of are, honestly.
But I, I will tell you that thetop performing shell right now
at a 59% win rate is the Hodedeck that you talked about, um,

(48:40):
according to Untapped.
So yeah, absolutely.
I like Spear Spider-Man, but he,I think he is being
overshadowed.
Of these three cards that werereleased this week, how would
you rank them?

Regis (48:51):
Oh I think I'm putting Man Spider number one actually,
just'cause I've personally hadso much success with it and
like, I think Spider Punk'snumbers are there, but I think
it's being propped up by itsdecks almost more than it is.
Um, you know, it's, its owninherent strength, whereas I
think Man Spider has kind ofpowered its decks and it's like
pulled them up.
It's otherwise like spider punkis being pulled up, you know,

(49:13):
man, spider is pulling them up.
But I'd say, man, spider numberone, spider punk number two.
And, uh.
Superior Spider-Man number threefor me.
Also, did we talk about WebSling?
That came out this week too,right?

Alex (49:24):
That did come out this week.
I, I kind of forgot about that.

Regis (49:27):
I did

Alex (49:27):
too.
Yeah.
It's pretty good too.
Um, yeah, but what I will saythough is for me, my rankings
are Man Spider one Superior.
Spider-Man two

Regis (49:34):
Oh,

Alex (49:35):
spider Punk three.
I would say spider.
I think Spider Punks beingcarried.

Regis (49:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can live with that.
I think that's fine.

Alex (49:41):
Okay.
Do you wanna say anything aboutweb sling?

Regis (49:43):
Not really.
It's good in move.
That's,

Alex (49:45):
yeah.
I don't wanna say anythingeither.
It's fine.
It's fine.
It's a card that exists, it doesthings and it's pretty good.
But is that gonna be the casefor Ezekiel Sims?
Regis, Ezekiel Sims is a two twothat reads, after you play a
card with higher power here,give this plus two power and

(50:06):
move this to another location.
It took me a while and on thelast pod I even said, I'm not
sure who Ezekiel Sims is.
I'll be honest with you.
I'm not like a connoisseur ofMarvel, uh, lore.
I actually did just buy my firstever kind of collection of
comics that I purchased.
Oh, cool.
I bought, uh, it's, oh man, it'sjust slightly outta reach.

(50:26):
I bought the Kang, only myselfleft to conquer anthology.
'cause I absolutely love it.
I think it's, I think it's oneof my favorite stories I've read
in a very long time.
And, uh, actually on that noteI'm really interested in getting
more like good Marvel stories.
Like you can kind of buy in asmall collection type thing if
anybody has suggestions.
I'm here for, because I heardlike the mo x stuff is really
good.
I heard House of X is reallygood.

(50:47):
Um, so I'm kind of interestedin, uh, exploring more of those
really fantastic stories, but.
I had no idea who Ezekiel Simswas.
I'd never heard of him.
And then someone brought it up,they're like, yo, Alex, Ezekiel
Sims is from that absolutegarbage movie, Madam Weg.
And I was like, wait a minute.
That's like the bad Spider-Mandude, who like, and I was like,

(51:09):
oh my gosh.
So here's a fun story.
I had no intention of watchingMme.
Webb, but when I was flyingsomewhere, I think I was flying
to one of the pacs.
It was on it was like, I had thelittle monitor on the screen in
front of me on the plane, andMme.
Webb was there as like one ofthe new releases.
I'm like, people say this isgarbage.
How bad is it?
So I watched it, it was likewatching a movie that Sony was

(51:29):
like, all right guys, let's get,uh, let's get a high school like
drama club to make a Marvelfilm.
And, uh, this, this is exactlywhat they got.
It was so unbelievably bad thatlike anybody who even would've
tried to like, read the scriptand been like, yo, this is, this
is shit.
Like you shouldn't release this.
Like, don't even film this.
Don't spend the money onanything.

(51:50):
Just continue to cook.
This is awful.
You're not even cooking.
You're just like, everything'sjust going stale on the
countertop here.
Like, just do not do this.
And they did it anyways.
And I'm pretty sure that was oneof the movies where the director
said like, everyone else waswrong and they were dumb and the
movie was good.
I think there was like somecontroversy around that.
But if you've ever seen Mme.
Webb, Ezekiel Simpson in that,and if you don't wanna see Mme.

(52:11):
Webb don't, because there'sliterally no redeeming feature
to it.
It's, it's one of the worstmovies I've ever seen.

Regis (52:18):
I haven't seen it.
I did though Google Ezekiel Simsfive minutes before this phone
call.
'cause I was like, he's gonnawanna talk about this.
I don't know anything about it.
And they were like, he's in theMadam Web movie.
And I was like, oh, cool.
I had no idea.
He looks nothing like that inthis card.
He looks like an old man.
He was chilling on a, on a wall.
I don't know.

Alex (52:35):
It's like, it's so bad.
It's so bad.
There's even moments in it wherelike, you know, when you're
watching a movie and like, thevillain should be more capable,
but like, they do things like,they get the victim like in a
spot and instead of just like,yeah, like just, just get her,
she's right there.
He'll like do like the, like thewalk.
He'll like give everyone time tocatch up and he'll, he'll have

(52:56):
to say something.
He'll have to delay.
Yeah.
Like the movie's so bad.
But Ezekiel Sims is, EzekielSims bad.
That's, that's the question i, Ipose to you, Regis Kibin.

Regis (53:05):
I, uh, I don't, I think he's kind of okay, honestly.
I saw some people, uh, saying hewas gonna be bad though.
And I'm like second guessingmyself.
Like should I, should I believemyself?
I kind of think it's okay.
'cause like you got the likeregular move deck, right?
With human torch and ghostspider and all this stuff and
they're doing the big torchesand the big daggers, right?
But then you got this other likehydro stomper, a hydro stomp or

(53:26):
mass kind of move deck whereit's all about moving a lot of
stuff like silk and you know,it's about getting that hydro
stomper as big as you can.
I kind of think this could juicethat like move in tons of stuff
deck as opposed to moving thebig stuff deck.
So, you know, you just throw insilks.
Maybe you got a Hercules inthere.
I don't even know.
I think you probably put spiderpunk in there as a good curve
follow after Ezekiel Sims andyou got craven, obviously you

(53:49):
maybe a miles in there, maybeeventually a prowler dude when
he comes out.
And I think you're just likebouncing a million cards and
Hydro STO is like 20 power andSims is maybe up to like eight
power Craven's up to 12 power.
You know, I think you kind ofgot a deck there.
So I think it's gonna happen.
It just depends on howconsistently you're getting this
guy to like two eight or more.

(54:10):
If you can't get into two eight,that's, maybe he sucks.
I dunno.

Alex (54:13):
The challenge I have with him is that it feels like
there's a very hard cap on hisceiling.
'cause you have to surpass hispower, right?
Like if you think about silk,you just gotta play there.
Your opponent just has to playthere.
Like, is Silk simply superiorfor a hydro stomper style deck
versus Ezekiel Sims?
Like it would have to be, right?

Regis (54:30):
I think it is.
I think you run, I think you cando both.
I think silk's actually a prettygood way to get him from four to
six maybe.
So I don't know.
I'm like, I'm also thinkingabout, uh, Batman the Leaper,
you know.
A lot people Bat Truck, but batthe Leaper.
That's awesome.
I call him Batman.
Yeah.
You know, he's going aroundevery time too.
It's like, this is not just hispower, but he's an extra way to.
Push all the other guys, Batmanand Craven and Hydro Stomper.

(54:52):
I don't know it, I, I haven'tplayed.
It's one of those where I feellike I have to play it to really
know, I have a feeling I'm gonnaplay it and be like, oh, this
sucks.
He's never going off.
Like he's still a two four and Ican't, I don't have any way to
make him bigger right now, youknow?
So I'm worried, but I could alsobe like, I, ah, you know, I
played Hydro Stomper and Ipushed him up to 10 now.
'cause I got him, like, I silkedthem up to six and then I
played, uh, I don't know,actually, uh, vision.

(55:13):
Vision pushes him up to eight.
And now Hydro Sno takes him to10.
And I'm kind of happy, you know?
So, I don't know.
I hate playing those decksthough, because like, silk's
going everywhere.
This guy's going everywhere.
Batman's going everywhere.
I filled a location accidentallyand now I'm screwed.
You know, like, I hate thosebecause I'm dreading Tuesday.
'cause I don't want to have toplay it.
But I'll,

Alex (55:32):
if Petroc the Leaper is Batman, then Ezekiel Sims is the
Joker.
'cause I think he's gonna be aclown.

Regis (55:39):
You mean one of the coolest villains in all of the
history?
The Joker as opposed to thevillain in a the, the Madame
Webb movie.
Huh?
Okay.

Alex (55:47):
It's true.
They're, they're twist duck cutfrom the same cloth, I gotta be
honest with you.
But, so the problem with EzekielSims is, okay, so you get it to
move and one of the reasons whyI believe that spider punk
actually got buffed'cause indata minds.
Yeah, for sure.
Spider punk was a three two, itwouldn't have been able to move
Ezekiel Sims.
Yeah.
Now as a three, three, he getsto move Ezekiel Sims, as does

(56:08):
superior Spider-Man.
So Ezekiel Sims will get thebuff.
So that's another one on curvethat you're able to do and get
that extra energy for as well.
Now, is it enough for those twocars to be moving Ezekiel Sims,
especially when you have decksthat are already so unbelievably
good.
And the change to vision makesperfect sense as well, because

(56:28):
now at a five nine, if this is atwo eight vision can now move
it.
So there all these things arevery like, well, let's not buff
Ezekiel Sims'cause we, we knowhe sucks.
Let's buff some of the supportpieces around him to get him to
actually to move and prosper.
I think ultimately, if you canbank on this guy being a two
six, is that enough power?

(56:50):
Because it, it won't, maybe youget to control it more.
'cause like silk can scam yousometimes.
Like you, like your opponent canmove silk and kind of play
around it as well.
It can end up where you don'twant it to be and stuff like
that.
But like for me, I'm concernedthat while this card naturally
wants to be played this season,it naturally will go in decks.
It's not gonna go into the humantorch deck, which is gonna be

(57:11):
the top performing deck forsomething like a spider punk.
It's just.
I just like a new version ofSilky Smooth.
Can this make it?
I'm not entirely sure, but HydroStomper got buffed.
It's now a three three, which Ithink is gonna be one of the,
the linchpin carry cards of thisarchetype.
So honestly, I'm not sure I'mwith you.
I'm less excited about EzekielSims going into this, uh, this

(57:33):
Tuesday.
I think many people are, but Ihave hope.
Regis, we do five star ratingshere.
What star rating are youconsidering?
I revealed mine last week.
Let's see.
Your yours.

Regis (57:45):
I'm just gonna say three for everybody.
It's safe, right?
That's why I went to a four starrating.
It forces you into a decisivescore.
You can't cop out with threes.
You have to either pick betteror worse than the halfway mark.
But I'm gonna say three stars.
Cop out.
I think that's actually legitthough.
I think he's just kind of solid,if that makes sense.
Like I think that mass move deckwill be good, but like, tier two

(58:06):
or something, or.
Like you said, worse than aregular move deck, but probably
could climb with it, if thatmakes sense.

Alex (58:11):
I'm leaning towards the lower end on the two side two to
2.5 range, like on the weakerend.
I don't think he's excellent.
I don't think he's great, but Idon't think he's complete fecal
matter either.
He's gonna be somewhere in themiddle.
There's just gonna be betterways to play move.

Regis (58:28):
I was just thinking though, how do you buff this
guy?
Like of course you could makehim like one cost, but if you
buff his power, he's harder toactivate.
Yes.
And if you buff his powerscaling, like if he gained plus
three power again, he's harderto activate again.
It's hard to buff.
You'd have to set him to onetwo, I guess to really buff him.
So he might get stuck.
You buff

Alex (58:45):
him by refunding his tokens.

Regis (58:47):
Yeah, it, it does feel like one of those where it's
like, even if he's decent, it'sa big commitment for a really
niche deck.
'cause he is not gonna be goodat anything else.
Like obviously very focused onthis one hydro stomper thing
basically.
And beyond that, you know,unplayable, I say that I don't
know.
I, I actually, as I say that,could you just run this in like
a tempo deck where he's like atwo eight, like you just play
regular cards, just, you don'thave, he doesn't have to support

(59:11):
move technically.
Like, is a two eight big enough?
You know, you play lizard, youplay Maximus.
This guy's a two eightsometimes.

Alex (59:18):
Ah,

Regis (59:19):
like I'm, I'm still kind of high.
I don't know.
I'm like, now I'm thinking aboutfour stars again.
I don't know.
Three's fine.
I like

Alex (59:25):
that's though, that's a lot of coke.
That's a lot of cope.
That's a lot even for me.

Regis (59:29):
Yeah.
Okay.

Alex (59:31):
So basically Kate on Tuesday, Regis, this video, a
brand new Ezekiel Sims and Nakiadeck play.
Akia Alex

Regis (59:38):
was,

Alex (59:38):
get him

Regis (59:38):
to move.
Alex was wrong is what it'sgonna say.

Alex (59:41):
Alex was wrong.
And it's gonna be, yeah.
Oh, one of these days though,one of these days you're gonna
have to teach me your thumbnailgame because it's, it's too
good.
Like your thumbnail craft is isso incredible.

Regis (59:52):
It's so hard and it takes so long.
It would be impossible to teach.
It's so, I honestly, it's beenvery good to me, so I can't
complain, but I almost regret it'cause it takes so long.
Did you see my absorbing manspider where it's like he's got
six arms and like

Alex (01:00:06):
I did.

Regis (01:00:06):
It's

Alex (01:00:06):
so listen I see all your videos and I, um, sometimes I
also wanna know, like if I havea bit of a take where I'm like,
I think this card's crap, or Ithink this card's really good
and I feel like I'm againstconsensus.
I really want to hear like whatyou say.
I really want to hear, uh, likewhat Bink says.
I really want to hear whatpeople are saying.
Yeah.
And so like, I, I likeespecially on those, I'll like
watch more stuff.

(01:00:28):
If I'm more confident about myassessment, I watch less.
Does that make sense?

Regis (01:00:32):
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny'cause like.
I was kind of a little down,more down on superior
Spider-Man, for instance.
But you seem really high on him.

Alex (01:00:39):
I like it.
I still think it's good.

Regis (01:00:41):
I'm higher on zombie galati than everybody.
Like I actually think zombieGalati is close to being good
and everybody else is like, thisis the worst card that's ever
been made.
I hate it.
And I'm like, I don't know guys.
I think this is, there's achance.
So

Alex (01:00:54):
I made the the official video for it.
Oh

Regis (01:00:56):
yeah.

Alex (01:00:57):
And like I was so scared.
I was like, I was like, man,this card is, I might be able to
cope a little bit, but like,man, the hoops you gotta jump
through for this thing.
It's just crazy.
Like play anything else.
It's more straightforward.
And one of the concerns I had, Ithink I even said it on the pod,
I said that like I felt like Ican make a video where it looked
great in highlights, but like.

(01:01:19):
If you actually look at thestats, like you're basically
building this one trick thatonly looks good and highlights,
you know what

Regis (01:01:25):
I mean?
Dude, I had, dude, I had apositive, I think I had like a
negative win rate, but apositive cube rate.
I'm actually trying to pull itup right now for my initial
video.
'cause I played Concho.
I was like, I didn't, I wasliving on, on a high'cause I was
like, oh, I had pretty goodnumbers with this deck.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I actually had a terrible winrate.
I went six and nine.
Oh, well I had two differentversions of the deck.

(01:01:47):
I went, but I was up seven cubesand then I went four and four
with a second version was up onecube.
So I was like up eight cubes.
I was like, hey, pretty good.
And I, I mean, I said like, youknow, solid.
I don't think I said good.
I was like, it was pretty, it'spromising, you know?
Then the data comes in on thatdeck list on untapped the next
day and I was like, I thought itwas pretty good.
Like I didn't play a ton ofgames, you know, small sample

(01:02:08):
size.
It was like 15 games orsomething.
29% win rate, negative 0.8 cubesor something.
The people who played my jackhat, the worst, they ruined my
win rate.
I was like, oh God, it is reallybad.
It

Alex (01:02:23):
was their fault.

Regis (01:02:26):
I was like, I didn't even think it was like suspicious.
'cause I had a pretty good run,you know?
It wasn't like I was trying toforce it and like, man, and then
I did another zombie galacticattack and had another decent
run.
So I'm still, I guess I'm coped.
I, I don't know.
It's, uh.
I just guess I'm wrong.
I just wanna like it too much.
I think it's,

Alex (01:02:46):
they're not even gonna touch that car'cause we're in
move season, baby.
They don't want anything taken.
They want to sell the seasonfastest, buddy.
They're not touching zombieglocky when this zombie Glock
tie, sorry they said it wrong intheir own video.
Zombie ggl tie is gonna getbuffed after the season.
Hun?
P There's no question.
That's what I, that's myprediction.
That's my hot take there.
But uh, and I'm looking forwardto it.

(01:03:06):
I think the card's kind of cool.
Unlike Ezekiel Sims.
Now Regis, that's gonna take usto our next card, which I joked
about prior.
I actually forgot what that wasreleasing today.
It's not even part of the, uh,the little things we have
underneath here.
Uh, chameleon, the three threethat reads on reveal copy the
text of another card here.
You revealed this turn.
Kind of a bit of a mouthful.

(01:03:28):
One of the more, kind of justdifficult things to, to kind of
parse out.
There's a lot of key activatingwords there.
Like here, for instance.
And this turn there, it's notthat complicated.
Maybe I should just calm myselfdown a little bit here.
But what I will say is I am likeI don't wanna say excited with
this card.
I'm like, I'm have some sort oflike excitement to play it in
Surfer, but outside of that,like I'm just not feeling it.

(01:03:50):
It's a series four card.
I always appreciate a goodseries four release, even though
we just jumped over web sling,like it was absolutely nothing
but like chameleon.
Could it be good?
Regis, I'll give you the floor.

Regis (01:04:01):
I kind of feel like something about this card is so
boring to be in.
I don't know what it is.
'cause it, it's actually notthat boring.
Like, like you said, surfers Ithink are really obvious.
Just go for like the doubleSurfer on six or whatever.
Or you know, if you got Sarahplay something else too.
That seems like a really obviousgood fit to surfers is awesome.
It's perfect from a timingstandpoint.

(01:04:22):
I also was thinking about likeIronman on turn five and then
Mystique and Chameleon on turnsix.
So you can get like threeIronmans, you know, the
Chameleon becomes an Ironmanfrom Mystique.
Uh, like that seemed kind ofcool too.
But I, this is very rare for mefor some reason I just don't
feel excited to do either ofthose things.
Something about this card hasjust completely lost my

(01:04:44):
attention and I don't know why.
I don't know if it's instinctsand it's gonna be bad, but it
does seem promising.
You know, Cerebro three, we werejust talking about, you know,
this could be another like, uh,mystique option in Cerebro three
Slam, uh, Cerebro and, and, andthen this and like, so I think
it can do a surprising amount ofthings, but I think maybe I
don't like it.
'cause I know it's only good onturn six and like any other turn

(01:05:04):
it's probably garbage.
And that's so linear and boring.
I don't really know though.
What do you think?

Alex (01:05:09):
What I think is, I kind of regret bringing up the fact that
you could make a drinking gameof how many times we said
cerebral.
'cause if anyone's actuallydoing that, like they're,
they're having a really roughtime right now.
But yeah, cerebral for sure,like cerebral and mystique
obvious combination.
Uh, C3 is gonna love this, notthat C3 needs any, any
additional help.
Did it not just win a massivetournament?
I'm just gonna throw it outthere.

(01:05:29):
So it'll definitely see playthere.
Silver Surfer I think is coolbecause one of the major things
like you touched on was like youcan like practice Silver Surfer
and you used to have to rely onlike Hope Summers and like then
playing a Sarah on top of that,then doing like three three and
then to Surfer, no, sorry, uh,three drop into Silver Surfer S
Man type thing.
Or you have to set up the, uh,Silver Surfer First Steps, for

(01:05:51):
instance.
But one of the challenges andkind of keeps me away from
loving this card is the factthat it has to be played on the
same location, which limitsthings like Sage, for instance.
I thought like, okay, Sage couldbe cool as a closer, but like.
You usually just trade thelocation with Sage.
Like do you really need to playit twice?
And then like it's so like, Idon't know, it is a little
awkward in its text, which Ithink reduces its functionality.

(01:06:13):
But is this kind of what theyexpect for series four cards?
But at the same time, it's likeyou kind of see the potential
here.
Right.
Another utilization I wanna justthrow out there is like, what if
you played alongside anti-venom?
'cause you can copy the text oftheoretically a free card,
right?
So you can kind of snake it intolines, which you might not be
able to traditionally do.
Like on turn five.

Regis (01:06:34):
Yeah.
That's smart.
That's sneaky.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What are even

Alex (01:06:37):
copying?

Regis (01:06:38):
I don't know.
Yeah, I think there's ways tofigure this out probably.
I just don't wanna be the guythat like makes it fun or cool.
'cause like Silver Surfer videosat this stage for me are so
boring and nobody wants to seethem.
It's like, oh, a three cost cardcomes out, make a Silver Surfer
video.
You know?
Like, I don't want to do that.

Alex (01:06:53):
I'm cutting this from a pod.
Don't, don't do this, don't dothis.
Do not trash Silver Surfer.
Like you can't.
You can do anything you want.
Do not

Regis (01:07:02):
I, you,

Alex (01:07:03):
you watch your mouth when you talk about Silver Surfer on
this podcast.

Regis (01:07:06):
I love the character.
That's like probably one of myfavorite Marvel characters.
But don't love the card so much.
It's come on.
We've done a lot and we've doneit a lot

Alex (01:07:12):
hard.

Regis (01:07:13):
It's the same recipe every time.
It's like, I've made this video47 times, and I've done the
thumbnail where I turn them intoSilver Surfer too.
I'm gonna put him on asurfboard.
What do you wanna bet?
He's gonna be all Silver and heis gonna be on a surfboard
thumbnail done like Silver boredof doing that.
He's already kind of Silver inthe face.
So like, I think you're rightthough.

(01:07:35):
That word here is gonna becomereally important for this card
and it's gonna be more awkwardthan people realize.
And the fact that you can't play'em early and the fact that you
have to play'em in the samespot, I think those two things
are actually gonna make this alot worse than people realize.
It might still make sense incerebral three as like a, third
cerebral potentially orwhatever, but, I think beyond

(01:07:55):
that, it's gonna be clunkierthan people think and might be,
maybe that's why it's in seriesfour instead of series five.
It seems like they often give usthe kind of nah cards a lot of
the time in series four.
So that could be it.

Alex (01:08:09):
Yeah, that definitely could be it.
Uh, you're just lucky that Ihave not been actually playing
much Silver Surfer lately.
My pet deck that I continuouslyfind myself wanting to go to
lately actually has beendestroyed.
I like Moyer X destroyed.
Moyer X is just so fun, man.
I just, I love that card.
If I'm playing anything just forpure fun, I'm playing Moyer XI
have found myself like just toget like weekend missions done
and stuff like that.

(01:08:29):
'Cause I like you, I've haven'tbeen grinding as many games as I
traditionally have in the past.
Just.
I'm just tired, man.
I'm just tired, right?
Yeah.
And um, I've been playing, uh,I've actually been playing like
the Superior Spider-Man Evo,which I do like, but I, I gotta
tell you, there's somethingspecial about, uh, destroy, I
think destroys a pretty goodspot even though X 23 got a
little bit of a, you know, alittle bit of a Nerf there,

(01:08:51):
which did hurt the archetypequite a bit because that's, uh,
you know, you're not feedinginto the nulls effectively.
And X 23 is almost like a Ididn't pull my Deadpool, so
let's just get the stuff goinghere, type thing.
Can't do it quite aseffectively, but overall, still
a really good archetype.
I think that's gonna take us toour Snapchat mailbag, unless I'm
forgetting something.
I think we're almost, are wealmost up the finish line here,
sir?
Are we almost done the, thisMarvel Snapchat podcast?

(01:09:13):
I think we are.
There's two things I wanna say.
Now we don't actually have aquestion for this, but I had
this thought, this is a littleuncharacteristic of me bringing
my own question to the podcasthere, but had this thought, so
I've really been liking the limbtie game modes and what they've
been doing with them.
And I was thinking to myself,how can they make conquest
better?
Conquest seems like no one wantsto play.

(01:09:33):
Do you play conquest?
I don't play conquest.
Never.
Because it's just

Regis (01:09:36):
No.

Alex (01:09:36):
No one plays conquest.

Regis (01:09:37):
I haven't played it in like two years unless I have to
for a video or something.

Alex (01:09:40):
Second dinner.
You're allowed to steal thisidea.
If it's a good one, I'm givingyou permission.
I think that one of the thingsthat second dinner has not been
doing, and they can use these ingame modes, they can do it.
They need to lean into like theseries more.
Like imagine if Conquest waslike, this month it's only
series one.
Or this month it's only seriesone to two or this month.

(01:10:01):
Or like imagine they gated,like, kinda like the types of
cards that you could use.
I know in some, some ways you'relike, you know Alex, that kind
of sounds sick.
I wanna do, I want to use mycards that I pay money for.
Which is probably why they'llnever do it.
'cause why would you buySuperior Spider-Man if you don't
even use it in the, in one ofthe modes

Regis (01:10:16):
Ev everyone is, you can only use series five cards.
That's the only

Alex (01:10:19):
one

Regis (01:10:19):
they

Alex (01:10:19):
have.
Yes.
You can only use the cardsrelease this month.
But no, I just had a thought.
Wouldn't it be funny if we hadgame modes or something like
that that was like only seriesfive or not series five?
No, that would suck.
Only series one or only seriestwo.
Kind of like making like deckbuilding challenges around
specific kind of moments in timeof Marvel Snap.

(01:10:39):
I thought that would be cool.

Regis (01:10:41):
Yeah, I think what, what's that called?
Like Popper format I think inother games sometimes.
Like magic gathering orsomething.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think any way to slicethat, that makes.
Well, two things, right?
Like that would make it moreapproachable for free to play
players and budget players.
That'd be cool for them to havea little space to explore.
It would actually kind of bemore nostalgic probably for a
lot of players, like going backto the simple older days of, of

(01:11:01):
Marvel Snap in a lot of ways.
But also just like having newways to deck build and I guess,
I don't know how true this is,but I think it's maybe at least
a little true in the limitedtime game modes.
They don't really change thatbuilding that much.
Like they do a little bit'causelike the extra energy and stuff
and high voltage, like, youknow, I know they shift a little

(01:11:22):
bit and like the guardians werein the, uh, whatever it's
called, sanctum or whatever.
But it would be cool to like,give you even more ways and
reasons to like come up with newdecks and new metas that are
like more restrictive so that inother words, it, it sort of
encourages more creativity thanwhat we have right now, which is
I feel like right now it's likewe have these.
Five or six, seven archetypes orwhatever and we like plug in a

(01:11:43):
new piece every once in a while,right?
But there's not really that manylike totally new things that
ever pop up.
It's got destroy, you got move,you got ongoing and we just get
new variations of those.
Maybe honestly this man spidermerge deck is kind of a new
thing.
It's like almost more new thanmost decks we see anyway.
The zombie galactic could havebeen a new deck but fallen flat,

(01:12:03):
right?
So I guess I am always itchingfor ways to like slice the game
in different unique ways.
So I think it would probably dothat, which would be fun.

Alex (01:12:11):
Yeah, I just think deck building challenges are fun.
And even when I kind of said mything out loud, I was like,
yeah, they probably haven't donethis'cause it's not actually
that great of an idea.
But who knows?
Maybe someone, someone's like,you know what though, Alex, if
you just make a couple of thesetweaks and maybe this type of
game mode or this type, and allof a sudden it makes more sense.
Right.
But we do have an actualquestion and it comes from Kenji
and it reads, do you think thatthey should add three slots for

(01:12:34):
skill cards?
So technically it'll be a 15slot deck.
12 for cards and three forskills.
The issue with this, will ittake away with the amount of
skill cards you want to use, orwill they allow you to use your
12 slots for skill cards?
And I guess what they're tryingto say here is like, what if you
had like, uh, game mode orwhatever, where like you
actually could have like asideboard of just skills, went

(01:12:57):
alongside your 12 card deck.
And we almost have this in grandarena where you start with a
skill in hand and that actuallydoes generate a lot of the
flavor of what those decks do.
So is there the potential forthem to kind of be a little more
creative with their utilizationof skill cards is like almost
additions into differentformats?

Regis (01:13:18):
Yeah.
I guess I, I have like afunctionality question on how
that's envisioned.
Would you, like, would they bedrawn from the same deck pool or
would they exist separately soyou could just like grab one at
any given time?
Like, are they, uh.
I'm thinking almost like a heropower and horse over.
It's just there and you canutilize it or is it like, in
other words, I don't think I'dwant a 15 card deck because

(01:13:38):
you'd add a lot moreinconsistency and randomness and
like, you wouldn't be able to dothings as readily and like your
skills would just make your deckworse.
I guess like smaller decks aregonna be better generally, so I
would want it to exist in somekind of, if we were gonna do
that, I'm not sure I wanna dothat, but if we were, I would
think I'd want some kind ofbutton or like some separate,
maybe you draw a skill everyother turn or something, you

(01:13:58):
know, something like that wasstill introducing a little
randomness and not so solved, Idunno if that's the right
question, but

Alex (01:14:04):
No, you're asking me questions.
I don't have the, uh, the answerto.
Uh, you froze for a sec there.
I was, I was scared that we lostyou, but um,

Regis (01:14:10):
yeah, no, I looked, I was like,

Alex (01:14:13):
yeah, but I mean, yeah, it was just, I thought it was an
interesting idea of like, Iwonder if they start to
experiment with the deckbuilding aspect of Snap and, um,
skill cards do represent a veryunique.
Type of card they've introducedinto the game.
And they could potentially haveit where like maybe they do have
a mode where you do have like a,like a champion skill, which is

(01:14:34):
gonna be one of the skill cards.
'cause that is something I kindof miss from Oog, Hearthstone.
Like the idea of like, I'mplaying Face Hunter and this
button I hit for two, it goesface baby.
Like, it's kind of interestinghow, how that used to work.
And uh, like even with CommanderCards, like even with like, uh,
with Riff Bound you have like achampion card that can be
played.
It's always available to you toplay with, with, uh, with your

(01:14:55):
energy and stuff like that.
It kind of adds consistency.
I don't know.
I guess this is also a goodexample as to why I'm not a game
designer and just someone who,uh, who hosts a podcast for
friends to come on and talkabout a game I love.

Regis (01:15:06):
I do just wish, like Marvel Step had more new game
modes.
Like Grand Arena was nice, new,you know, but now we're kind of
in this, like the same three,you know, or whatever.
Just, I guess it's actually beenbetter lately, but it felt like
it took for.
To get more game modes coming.
You know, I did, you know, likeI, we, I'm just like, we we're
lagging and we're finally maybecatching up a little.
So I'm just still craving more.

(01:15:27):
I will be honest.
I don't really play them thatmuch.
I guess it's maybe a littlehypocritical of me to like
request more'cause I'm not, Idon't know, it's like hard, it's
hard for'em a content creatorstandpoint.
'cause like a lot of people justwanna see like, the normal stuff
and like what deck I used toclimb or whatever.
So I usually do like one deckvideo in a new game mode, but
not much beyond that.

(01:15:47):
So may maybe they're actuallycatering to me and I'm the
culprit.
I'm the reason there aren'tmore, there aren't more game
modes.
Whoops.
I need to support them moreperhaps.

Alex (01:15:56):
Yeah.
But, uh, what I will say thoughis I think they've been doing a
good job making these new gamemodes and I feel like it does
add a nice pulse to the game,which I do appreciate.
'cause like the ranked grind atthis point, like, I'm just not
interested in it.
Especially since they, theyremoved a lot of like, uh.
They just added, they added alot to the grind.
And I feel like, I feel it andI'm like, you know what?
I just don't want to engage withthe game in this way.

(01:16:16):
Like, I, I love this game and Iwanna play it in a way that I
love.
And grinding against cheaterbots is not, or like, constant
one, one or two cube or treatgames is not the way I want to
do it.
And when you're in a game likeGrand Arena, one of the things
benefits of the ticket system ispeople don't often concede, they
don't often leave.
You see the games through.
Um, which I do appreciate tosome extent at this point in my

(01:16:37):
Marvel Snap career.
But what I will say is, Regis,it's about that time that we say
goodnight to our friends.
Good day.
Perhaps maybe you're driving towork in the morning.
I don't know.
But either way, thank you somuch for listening to us today,
Regis, it has been an absolutepleasure having you on the
podcast.
You're someone who I respect sohighly and, um, for me, I'm so
grateful that you took time outof your incredibly busy schedule

(01:16:59):
with your family, your work, andeverything that you do to be
here on this podcast with me andour viewership here.
So thank you, Regis, for beinghere today.

Regis (01:17:08):
Yeah.
No man, I, I'm always happy tohop on.
I love you.
You're mainstay of the MarvelSnap community.
You're an icon, you're beloved.
Like I, every time I see like,uh, you know, like, isn't there
like a channels that other yourviewers watch on YouTube?
Like, do you see that?
Isn't that somewhere, is that onTwitch tube?
But

Alex (01:17:26):
that

Regis (01:17:26):
is somewhere.
Yeah.
Like your up videos

Alex (01:17:28):
also watch.

Regis (01:17:29):
Yeah, you show up all the time.
Like, I think people vibe withus in a similar space and you
know, like behind the scenes weget along really well.
Like, I, we have the same energyor spirit or something.
Like we, you know, whetherthat's sharing trade secrets or
uh, just, uh, just talking itout, you know, like we have a
good, uh, a good rapport Iguess.

(01:17:49):
So anyway, what I'm saying is Ilove you and I'm happy to be
here.
So thank you

Alex (01:17:53):
buddy.
I love you too.
You guys heard you here first.
Re just loves me.
This is my whole dreams.
All my dreams are coming.
True.
I told you at the start of thispodcast, I was your biggest fan
and now here we are.
But he's right.
Actually, this podcast is beingrecorded so late at night.
I'm probably not even gonna goto bed tonight after I'm done
editing because we literallystarted our call with like an
hour conversation of us justcatching up with one another.

(01:18:13):
And, uh, yeah guys, Regis is anabsolute beauty both on and off
the camera.
And uh, I just hope we have anopportunity to have you back
sometime soon, my man.

Regis (01:18:23):
Yeah.
Appreciate it man.
Thank you.

Alex (01:18:25):
Thank you to everyone who's listening.
Thank you to Regis.
All his links will be downbelow.
I'm sure he needs nointroduction.
Download his game, it's gonna bethere.
It's a fantastic one, and we'llsee you on that next one.

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