New Fantastic Four Season | Ranking Every New Card In July | June Cards In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 140 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Cozy (00:00):
What's going on guys?

(00:00):
And Happy Monday, late Monday,but we have the Snapchat out.
We waited on the trailer to comeand it is here.
It has arrived and so has theFantastic four, the first steps
season.
And uh, I'm back.
Alex, I'm back from an absolute,but like Ariel grabbing my
throat, my voice completelyripped.

(00:21):
A shreds man.
The most talking I've done in mylife.
And that's saying something.
'cause uh, I, I'm a professionaltalker.
But yeah, the month of June.
It was crazy.
Still, not even all the way I'mfeeling a thousand percent here,
but, uh, just happy to be back.
Happy to see my beautiful man,Alex, and I can tell.
Have you been, you been hitting,uh, you on a cruise ship or

(00:41):
something, man.
You looking 10.

Alex (00:43):
I know usually I have that like red purple Thanos look that
everyone jokes about, oh, he iswearing lipstick and he looks
like Thanos A I'm not wearinglipstick.
BI got a brutal sunburn.
I, my daughter was at a soccertournament over the weekend and
uh, I spent a lot of timeoutside and what was okay, I
can, I be honest, this is mywife was like shaking her head.
I mean, and I'm, everyone on theinternet's gonna shake their

(01:03):
head too, so I, I had sunscreen,but it was kids' sunscreen and I
put it on my daughter and I waslike, this is kids' sunscreen if
I put it on.
And I was like, no.
Like I said, no, as if like inmy head, like I'm just gonna man
up against the sun.
And then so I'm, you know, inthe middle of the tournament,
it's like two o'clock in theafternoon she's playing.
I'm standing there and I'mthinking to myself, yo, it's
like too damn hot.
The sun is way too hot.

(01:24):
Who made the sun this hot?
And I stared at it for a bituntil my eyes went blurry and I
just got upset.
And then this is what happened.
I got a sunburn.
So you

Cozy (01:31):
look like Kim Kardashian now.
You look great.
They, you have like 19 differentshades of red and, and brown put
together on you.
You look fantastic.
No, I love it.
I love how like.
Being a man.
You know, it's like incorporateslike certain things and for
whatever reason, I don't knowwhy sunscreen was ever in that,
that bubble, but it's thestupidest thing to ever be like,
I don't need it.
I'm a man.
And it's like, no, you're justfrying your body, dude.

(01:53):
No, man.
I feel like all it takes, likethere's things in life where
like it happens one time andyou're like, all right, never
again.
Right?
Like, I'm just never gonna do X,y, Z again.
For me, man, I got a, uh, I wason a cruise and I got a burn so
bad that I was like.
Begging for death.
Like, just, just take me, takeme.
You can't sleep.
Right.
It, it happened one time.

(02:13):
Done.
Done.
I, I'm like a, I'm a sunscreenguy now.
Not an SBF like 100 guy, but I'mlike in the fifties.

Alex (02:20):
Yeah.
See, mine's not that bad.
I'm always a little darkcompared, I don't know what
it's, I think it's our camerasystems when lighting, we have
to one day like.
Have a call where it's just usfiguring out how to get these
things to light.
Like, do I have to turn mylights up?
Is that what it is?
Do I have to like jack thislight?
But maybe that's better.
That looks great.
I'm not quite as red right now.
I can't even look at the cameranow.
But but yeah, like it's, uh,it's not that bad.
What it was though, honestly,is, I'll tell you when in

(02:42):
Canada, the sun just bites alittle less.
It might be surprising to you.
I remember when I was in Floridawith the kids and I was like,
yo, this sun is brutal.
You walked outside and the sunwas like attacking you.
It's, this is just like, I wasoutside all day, like an idiot,
you know what I mean?
In Florida, I would've been likedeceased, like it wouldn't,
like, completely taken me outdrunk.
But uh.
But you know what?
I gotta tell you though, thesummer, especially in as a

(03:03):
Canadian, like, uh, you get soused to being kind of locked up
in the wintertime and yeah,there's my kids all play hockey
and stuff like that.
And you get used to the winter.
There is something beautifulabout summer.
Like my boys were gonna gofishing at some point and uh, I
dunno, I'm just, I'm justexcited.

Cozy (03:17):
Yeah, it was 4th of July over here.
Uh, so I, uh, seconded It tookthe I don't know how long they
took off, I'll be honest, butthey did take a little holiday
break and happy post 4th of Julyfor all you guys out there.
It was, uh, it was good overhere, man.
We went on a little bit of aboat and uh, just kind of just,
just hung out, put around.
My son got sick on the actualforce, so I had to like delay
the celebrations a bit, but it'sstill a good time and, uh,

(03:38):
always fun, man.
But either way, appreciate darefilling in.
You guys talked a, a goodamount, recap a lot, but we have
a lot to recap over here.
I mean, we had the whole season,we have, we talked about a
little bit of commander on ourkind of roast with Regis, which
I think was the last time wewere together.
And it's funny'cause now we goteven like we got like a
Commander Light coming to Snapnow in a new temporary game mode

(03:59):
and a bunch of new cards.
Alex, so talking about that,breaking all that down over
here, what are we breaking downand talking on your side of
Snapchat.
On

Alex (04:07):
my side, it's actually relatively straightforward here.
We're gonna be breaking down theprior season, talking about the
cards in series five and four,going back and looking at our
ratings, uh, giving our rankingsand et cetera, and giving
overall feedback as to how theylanded and whether or not
they're worth your pretty pennyin Marvel Snap.
But Cozy, I'm excited because,uh, we had a couple hot takes
and, uh, well, we're gonna beheld accountable.

Cozy (04:28):
Yeah, dude I feel good.
I feel good.
I, I know, uh, I do outside ofKid Omega that, you know, that
whole fiasco that we couldn'tpredict.
I know where I landed and I knowI liked Merlin and I know I like
nightmares, so I'm feelingpretty good about those two.
We'll see how it works outthough.
It's always fun to holdourselves accountable.
Now we did look at this seasonlike two months back and uh,
yeah, I was definitely hot onsome of these cards.

(04:48):
You've had your time now to kindof bake and let these marinade a
bit more.
I think at the time he was a twothree, but we start with the
season pass card.
Uh, and I say that just theseason pass card, not the season
pass plus card because we havea, a new card coming in, a a.
Uh, it's, it is funny that theviews are split on this, uh, for
whatever reason, because insteadof spending$120 a year now to

(05:11):
get the season passcodes, youcan spend 240 and get now an
additional car.
That's a series four that webelieve has added.
They didn't touch it on thetrailer, but it's, it's been
data mine now for a while.
So we, we've got that.
And then coming near, uh, soonwe have what the season pass
Ultra plus plus Ultra with fivenew cards.
That'll be what?
By Christmas, I'm sure in thispoint.

(05:31):
But we've got Mr.
Fantastic First steps.
Two.
Two.
Alex, end of turn.
Give a card in your hand,negative one cost or plus two
power.
Let's start with the starratings and then go from there.

Alex (05:45):
Go with the firm four here.
I don't think it's.
I don't think it has like thefive star pounding capability.
Okay.
Like, I just don't think itdoes.
That was a weird sentence, butanyways.
You guys know what I mean?
Uh, I don't think it gets there.
I think it's probably like in aMerlin range of like, it, this
card's gonna be good, but it'snot gonna be like the searchers
or the Loki or the, you knowwhat I mean?

(06:06):
Like it doesn't hit the, thosethresholds.
It feels like a fair, strong.
Generally applicable.
Two drop.
The, one of the challenges Ihave though is like, bro, like
how many good two drops are theygonna release?
Like thinking all this, it'salways two.
You have Sam Wilson, iron,Patriot, Merlin, Mr.
Fantastic.
And that's only like what Icould have kept going.

Cozy (06:24):
They took it from like being three costs that were like
the hot thing to down and thenit went to four for a little
bit.
Now we're back down to two andit's been at two like ever
since.
It's funny, but just'causesomething's not like the meta
searcher that releases, which Ithink there's only a dime a
dozen of those.
To me, I still think Five Staris a five star and I gotta give
him a five star.
I just think it's too good for atwo cost card.

(06:44):
Really the only con is playingthem late.
Right?
But other than that, you'regetting a 2 4, 2 6 plus that, or
minus one cost and a huge gamechanger.
Thousands of cards, Sarah andmore that can, you know, really,
uh, benefit from that extracost.
So to me, I just feel likebecause you're not having to do
anything with them, you justslap'em down there on turn two.
Feels really solid and just acard that you're gonna wanna

(07:04):
play in a plethora of decks andalmost always has a good value
in the deck.
You put'em in.
I love the flexibility abouthim.
This is, yeah, this is by far myfive star card of the month.
And, and I, I, I feel like itwas designed to, to be that way.
Mr.
Pedro here.
Funny enough, the art that theydid, I feel like Pedro got the
worst of it.
I don't know if they like,didn't get his full sign off on
his likeness, but the other oneslook like really close.

(07:26):
And, hi.
He looks close.
But it's not like exactly likethe other.
I don't know if you, you couldtell that, but I, I, it's like

Alex (07:31):
the temu version of Mr.
Fantastic.
Yeah, it's

Cozy (07:33):
like slightly temu version of Pedro.
Uh, but it's cool though.
It's cool to see, uh, more MCunits into Snap as always.
Yeah.
So two, two guys.
This card definitely speaks foritself.
Obviously this could be cards.
We talk about all the fantasticfour to no surprise syner
synergize with each other.
And so you're gonna have carsthat really help each other out.
Funny enough, these cards aregonna get better as the month

(07:55):
goes on too, right?
So like that's one thing to takenote of is it's gonna feel okay
and then it's gonna feel evenbetter and better.
I believe we'll get to her, butan invisible woman got a good
amount of a nerve.
You know, I think at the timewhen we read her way long ago,
it wasn't like an activate onetime thing.
It was like kind of all the timeor something like that.
I don't remember.
But still, still a fine car.
But that will play big impacthere.

(08:16):
Alex.
You know, I again.
If a card like this superflexible, there's so many things
to talk about.
You know, what, where do youwanna start with this?

Alex (08:25):
I, I just wanna start with saying that like, there's a
couple things that hold me backfrom a five star rating.
First of all, it's it's a randomcard being hit with a random
effect.
So that's kind of like a doubleran whammy of randomness.
It's either plus two power ornegative on cost, both of which
you take don't get me wrong,those are great effects.
However, this feels like almostlike it's like fast dose for
your hand.

(08:46):
And now it is cheaper and it'sha impacting cars that you can't
immediately play.
Whereas Faso, you have to drawinto them.
So this has an immediacy, whichI do appreciate, but at the same
time, first of all, yeah, it iskind of like way better to some
degree.
But what I will say though islike, it's not always gonna hit
your brood.
It's not always gonna hit thethings that you want to target,
right?
And even then, if it hits thething you want to hit, it might

(09:06):
not even hit the effect that youwant to hit.
So that randomness, it pulls meback a little bit.
This feels like a very generic,excellent card that you can add
on almost any deck.
And I feel like Merlin was thesame way where it's like, you
know what, if you're someonewho's relatively new to the game
or you're still working throughyour collection level, you're
not collection complete.
Mr.
Fantastic is like the, oh, damn,I'm missing Jeff.

(09:27):
Who do I I can just play Mr.
Fantastic.
Oh, I'm missing surge.
I'll play Mr.
Van.
Actually, surge is another goodtwo.
Drop the chemo within the lastlittle while talking about two
drop inflation here.
Uh, surge was one I almostdidn't mention.
But yeah, like honestly, if hefeels like a very generic good
card that can almost fitanywhere to some degree, but
will obviously synergize verywell with all the fantastics

(09:49):
that are coming out this monthand you really won't know his
true power or all of them untilthe end of the month, honestly.
And that's something you'vealready touched on.

Cozy (09:55):
Yeah.
I think you bring up plenty ofgreat points, and I think we had
this conversation with Serge, Ithink that's a great card to
have it with.
We're like, well, what if itdoesn't hit the card you want?
And it almost just proved to notmatter.
Right.
And I think that's why for himit's like.
You have great upside if it hitsthings like in the right way.
Like, no spoiler here, but like,I am gonna play a lot of these
new cards in Surfer.
I think they were just kind ofmeant to be together.

(10:16):
And like, this is a greatexample.
Like you play this guy in twoand he can really help you out
in the later turns.
It can hit, Shaw to build thatup.
It can hit that brood, whatever.
But then also if it doesn't,you're just getting pure good
value out of him.
And, and you can also.
Help mitigate a lot more.
Since it's in de turn, you canplay down and whittle down that
hand size to make sure it doestarget or give yourself a much

(10:36):
better chance to targetsomething.
But yeah, to your point, couldbe cost, could be power.
So most of the time you're just,with luckily, minimum zero is
not, or minimum one's not there,so you can't get a free play,
you know, if it does hitsomething down FAOs, you don't
know what you're gonna draw whenyou're gonna draw it.
This is a bit more dedicated tothat too.
And it's two.
And at my point, if we look atthings back in the day that we
used to rank high, it's like, I,I just feel like for me

(10:59):
personally, you're getting thatvalue no matter what.
Whether it's the minus cost orit goes up and you get a two
eight value outta this guy,right?
It just seems solid outside of,obviously I.
You know, if you don't draw, ifyou draw'em late, then it's not
gonna be exactly the best.
Then it takes up a spot.
But same can go for se and Segegot plenty of love, right?
So this is, I've just seennothing but good value out of
it, and it's a just super easycard to get that value out of.

Alex (11:25):
First of all, um, you mentioning Surfer before me on
this podcast.
How dare you?
Yep.
Secondly, what I will say is Ihave a fun thing that I wanna do
with this card on day one.
And this might sound like cope.
I'm still designing the deck.
I'm not quite ready.
Usually by now I have the deckready but like I'm still trying
to figure it out.
I have this deck I'm callingUnironically Fantastic Galactus.
And if you think about it,G-Man, getting plus two power

(11:47):
G-Man getting negative won'tcost or all very significant and
especially with the negativewon't cost'cause no one's gonna
be able to anticipate a G-Manhit along those lines on turn
five or even four depending onwhat happens, right?
So I was trying to develop aGalactus fantastic deck.
Which I think could bepotentially interesting for that
surprise factor.
And again, I'm still working onthe details of it, but like I

(12:09):
just think that this card hassuch a wide applicable play
style that you could slide itinto some very interesting stuff
and get some very interestingeffects.
And Galacto is somewhere thatI'm gonna be testing.

Cozy (12:19):
How dare they help is what kind of world, what kind of
multiverse we living in.
Yeah.
Uh, I like it.
First of all, cook.
Cook, solid cook.
I think there's gonna be a lotof cooks with this guy.
There's gonna be a lot ofdifferent places that you can go
with, obviously like.
You could go as wonky, as likescarlet spider stuff or you can
go more simplified.
Uh, once we get to the othercards, you'll see why I think
surfers just like a natural fitoutside of even just Shaw and
Brood.
I just think it makes a ton ofsense with the guy.

(12:41):
But he will work, uh, across theboard in plenty of different
decks.
So I feel like there's a lot ofdifferent angles that you can go
with him.
And I feel it almost reminds meof like kind of not iron
patriot, but where it's likethere's so many different angles
that we could talk on hisspecific synergies.
For a long time.
I just think solid card gonnawork across the board.
Definitely.
For me it's a, it's an easy,it's an easy, if you want a, a

(13:03):
flexible staple meta card, Ithink it's gonna be vis, uh, Mr.
Fantastic.

Alex (13:08):
Yep.
No, I absolutely agree.
And uh, yeah, we do have a lotto tole today.
And it's funny'cause like I feellike we're gonna be bringing Mr.
Fantastic up a couple times hereas we go back and forth.
'cause there's so muchinterwoven synergy between all
these cards.
Right.

Cozy (13:20):
Yeah.
And so it's funny, I don't wannalike whip through the cards, but
also we kind of need to so thatwe can try to overlay some of
the conversations.
I think that's fair.
So, yeah, no, I totally agreewith that.
Let's go ahead and, and bring upour next one here.
And this one has a, a multitudeof different options here.
We've got Herbie, now Herbie isa two three each sharing this is
in place, so up to a newactivate ability until this one

(13:42):
is used.
And this one has stayed aboutthe same since.
It was data mine.
So you've got one where it'sgonna give two of your cards at
each other location plus onepower for an activate.
You can have one where the nextturn you get plus two energy
mamamia.
You're gonna have another onewhere you create a rock here and
it's gonna set its power tofour.
Alex.
And then lastly, you've gotdouble this cards power.

(14:03):
So looking at those but I guessbefore we dive into those
effects, you know, looking thoseacross the board, what do you
have, Herbie, in terms of yourstar rating?

Alex (14:12):
I, I like this card a lot.
And, um, this is one of likethe, the issues of like having
like a, like a five star ratingsystem where it's like I'm
saying this is a four star andnot to like, how do I explain
this?
I'm not sure that I think thiscould be better than Mr.
Fantastic.
Like I actually wonder about it.
I think the randomness of theNico effect of the.

(14:33):
The Herbie stuff, like I thinkthat kind of brings it back a
little bit.
But then again, you couldn'thave a two three that gives you
plus two power.
'cause then like then what thehell's Jennifer Kale?
Yeah.
So it's like you need the, well,you can't fully rely on either
one of these, but they're allpretty damn good.
Like, I actually think this is areally good card, man.
Yeah.
Like honestly, this is a bangercard and I, I, once again, just
like Mr.
Fantastic.
I think it's very wide, veryapplicable to multiple play

(14:55):
styles.
It's another card that if you'rea relatively low collection
level player, like you can addit, but it's another two drop
too, man.
Like how, like what are we doingwith all these two drops?
What are we supposed to do withall these cards, man?
Yeah, dude.
I mean, I like this card though.

Cozy (15:05):
Yeah.
There's only what, four optionsthat could go in between, so
that's a win right there.
Obviously the biggest con is itbeing activate, right?
So it does, you do have a littlebit of a thing to work around
there outside of when you canplay.
But most of the effects youwould wanna play earlier than
that anyway.
Right.
So.
For me, I feel like, yeah,getting the ultimate prize of
the plus two energy is likewinner winner chicken dinner.

(15:27):
You have such a huge winadvantage at that point, right?
And that, and that can happen asearly as that next turn.
So it's like, that's huge.
That, that's crazy, right?
But then you also have thechance just to get a base two
six, right?
Or just a base added on for,there's so many different, just
like easy ways to get the valueoutta this.
I think the boomer bust is abit, I like it better if you're,
um.
For what?
MFFS, what do we call that, Mr.

(15:49):
Fantastic First Steps.
MFFS.
That's what we call'em.
Instead of, I, I guess peoplewill never get confused with
that.
We're talking about the lessrelevant Mr.
Fantastic.
Now that we have double ups onsome of these cards, but yeah, I
think he's great.
And, and for that energy win hitalone, I like it a lot.
Uh, I'm good with four.
I think that's a solid hit.
I think him rotating through it.

(16:10):
Yeah, it's gonna, the problemis, is it will feel bad not
getting that energy hit a andlike these other ones will be
fine.
It's like, oh, I got a two sixor plus more than that because
there's cars that can feed intothis thing and that's, that's
why this thing gets bonkers.
'cause if you look at it andyou're like, oh two six you
nice.
But this a could go so muchhigher than this and it could
continue to scale up.
You have Reed that can even getthis going.
The two cost is the only awkwardthing.

(16:31):
'cause once you look at allthese cards, it's like, man,
you.
You can only play so many ateach turn and when you're gonna
wanna play'em.
And so that's the only thingthat can kind of get in the way.
But yeah, it's, it's, it's abanger.

Alex (16:42):
First of all, I thought I heard you say that Herbie was an
M-F-F-F-S, and I was like, bro,that's a lot of swearing in
abbreviation form.
All at once.
And then like I realize you saidsomething else altogether.
You're referring to Mr.
Fantastic.
I've never been able to keep upwith like the lingo Cozy, you
seem so far on top of it all thetime.
In that, that just made up.
People said Professor X and thenPro X, and then you said Pro X,

(17:04):
and then that stuck, which is sothat's like one of your big
influential moments.
Sing Pro X all the time.
So I, I take your, I take yourlike short forms very seriously
and that's why I was a littleconcerned then.
I appreciate

Cozy (17:13):
it.
If I, you know, die, I'm, I'mglad that I have that, you know,
pro X and S Snap.
That's what I want on mygravestone.

Alex (17:20):
Yeah.
But, uh, the thing about thiscard and the only thing that
gives me some pause, first ofall, I think it's really good.
It is in like the mostcompetitive space in Snap at two
costs now, right?
It was just kind of wild.
The only other side, and Ithought about this, it almost
has like this double slow effectwhere.
If you play it, it's anactivate.
Yep.
And then you have to wait for itto reveal what, like, so it's

(17:40):
like, it, it's like not only isit an activate, which is slow,
but you have to wait for it toreveal something you want to do,
which is an additional slow onit.
Right.
So, and it also might be asituation where you're like,
well damn I have the activatetwo other cards at each powerful
one.
But the other location for pluspower, I don't wanna use that
yet.
Yep.
Or you might get the DoubleDiscards power and you're like,
well damnit, I can't play Koriyet.
Kari's next turn.
Or,'cause it's turn three andI'm playing Kho on four.

(18:02):
Or why the hell are you playingKhoi anyways?
But like, it's the idea of like,you're not gonna get them always
in the order you want.
Yeah.
And like you might, oh, youmight roll into, okay, well
okay, I played it on turn four,whatever.
Then you turn it to turn fiveand it's like plus two energy
for turn.
Like it's the end of the gamenow you're like, well, damnit,
like what do I do now?
Right.
That's the only thing.

Cozy (18:19):
Yeah.
I, I get what?
A hundred percent.
I think it's really like, go forplus two energy, or not bus, but
like that you, you can use thatat any church to success, but to
your point, these other ones,like you can't.
Right.
So it's like, I.
Activates can be like, this isone of the worst cars to get
late because it's just like, bythe time it gets it's used, it's
like it's it's, it's gone.
It's gonna be, uh, too late atthat point.
But to its point, it's like,yeah.

(18:41):
You know, getting plus twoenergy in any of the latter
turns is gonna give you such aboost in advantage, especially
when you look at some of thesecars that these are gonna
synergize with.
So that does gimme he hesitancy.
But yeah, I mean, we'll have tosee how it's not like we're
gonna have to see how this oneplays out'cause we can really
well read it.
It's more of like, we're alsogonna have to just see how these
cards play out as like a unittogether.
Yeah, that's right.

(19:01):
That's a big it's gonna be soweird that we have, you know,
we, we have synergy betweenseason cards, but like, we've
never had so much direct, like,we're creating an archetype
through these cards thing here.
But on that note, you know,Herbie can work with more than
just them, which is nice.

Alex (19:16):
Also.
I'm gonna call out Disney here.
Uh, Herbie looks like, uh.
Like Wallys 2.0 FS the Jetsons.
So they need to get called outon this?

Cozy (19:24):
Yeah.
Oh, oh, Wally from Disney?
Yeah.
Yeah, that too.
I thought I was thinking thatlittle Jetson, uh, Jetson
bought, wasn't the Jetsons basedin like 2010 or something.
And now look where we, we don'thave any of that.
We no flying cars.
We just have,

Alex (19:37):
I don't remember the Jetsons.
I know, I remember like thetitle screen.
I know what the Jetsons liketitle thing song looks like.
I don't think I've ever watchedit.

Cozy (19:44):
Oh, dude, I used to watch that in Flintstones.
Man,

Alex (19:47):
you, you never watched Little Flintstones.
I remember the morning cartoonsI had were, um, were Inspector
Gadget into Beast Wars.

Cozy (19:55):
Yeah.
I mean the, these were notexactly our generation's morning
cartoons, but they were there.
They, they, those are the OGs,man.

Alex (20:03):
Ba bam.
No, they were, they were great,man.
Do you know what one age reallypoorly.
I watched with my kids, like,not, so I watched the OG
Rugrats, bro, it looks so bad.
Oh, dude, you're trying to watchit now though.
The animation is rough.

Cozy (20:15):
Oh yeah, dude.
I'm sure, man, I wasn't allowed,uh, I was allowed to watch it,
but my parents made sure thatthey told me Angelica was, was
bad to their parents.
Rude to their parents.
I don't you know, Angelica.
Okay.
Anyway, yeah, I don't

Alex (20:26):
remember the details.

Cozy (20:27):
Hubert torch.
Hubert torch, this art's fire,by the way, if you watch the,
um, the video trailer, I, I likethat that guy said that this was
the hardest one for him.
By the way.
That artist was sick.
He held to like the MCU andstuff, but he said this was the.
I just wanted to get into hisstyle, but it also fit his style
really well, and it came outawesome.
So, either way, I don't know ifit was this art that he was
talking about, but actually itwasn't.

(20:47):
But anyway, three, two humidtorch.
He's a three, two end of turn,plus one power.
The end of turn, he's alwaysgonna gain plus one power once
per game.
If your site is full, doublethis card's power instead.
So Mama Mia, Alex, mama Mia.
This is a really good card.
Uh.
It, this is a, this card.

(21:09):
I think when we read in datamine, I was like, oh, it's a
cool card.
It is gonna work with like, youknow, the new Sue and the new,
just the other cards coming outthis month.
And I'm like, dang, this is justa gas Surfer card.
Like this is just such a goodSurfer card on every single
level.
And then now you can combinethat with the other stuff we're
about to get.
But bro, this was just meant forthat deck between brood, between
Surfer, powering this thing upand, and making it all work in

(21:32):
one unison.
This is like a win con bro forSurfer.

Alex (21:35):
First of all, you mentioning Surfer a second time?
No, before podcast?
No, it's mine.
Podcast.
Dare.
I'm taking

Cozy (21:39):
it now.
This is, it's it is it, it is.
Yeah.
He is good though.
What do we, what are we thinkingon star rating on this guy
though?

Alex (21:46):
Uh, this was almost my five drop.
Mm.
This is almost my five, and Ithink this card might be
actually incredible.
Yeah.
The condition might be difficultat times to get that double
power up, but even without it, Istill think it puts up some
fairly legitimate power.
I'm leaning 4.5 only because Ididn't have the conviction to
give it five.
I still see some potentialdownside on it, but I think that

(22:08):
this is a phenomenally strongcard in both Silver Surfer and
in traditional zoo.

Cozy (22:14):
Yeah, it, yeah.
Across the board.
Funny enough, yeah, we're, we'renot gonna be too far in ratings.
This, this month I had 4.5 forhim.
Two, I think.
When you look at it, it's like,okay, Surfer, he is the win con.
So you have that, like he'snaturally gonna work in there.
It's just gonna fit perfectlyand played on curve, which won't
always happen, but play it oncurve.
He's insane value for what he isworth.
And then anything, uh, that canmanipulate his powers even

(22:34):
crazier, and then just playinghim in a full location flat out,
you're getting some of the bestvalue you can get in the game at
a three jump.
Okay, so you've got that goingfor you.
Yes.
You have zoo, and then you have,we have so many more cards now.
Like if you were just comingback to Snap.
Maybe you've been golf for likea year.
The amount of cars now that feedpower into other cards is just
like exponentially increased,right?

(22:54):
And we've even had OTAs to touchup.
Like there's been so much givento that kind of play style now.
That's really like a year ago,this guy would not be near as
good.
Now it's just like a muchdifferent game for him.
Uh, and I agree.
I, funny enough, I'm glad youbrought up Zoo.
'cause Zoo fits in with a lot ofthese cards and, and the
archetypes as a whole.
But yeah, dude, this thing isgas.
This can absolutely go crazyand, and talk about just like

(23:16):
the instant rude Richardsynergy.
So you've got that whether it'sa cost reduction or a power,
this is one of those win-winparts, right?
And then to some of the onesthat we get to later.
Uh, yeah, this is up theretowards my favorite of the
month, especially in play style.

Alex (23:30):
Yeah, I almost gave this five.
One thing I will say is that itworks perfectly in Surfer, just
'cause you get it down, you canleave that location with just.
Human torch there, and then ontwo you turn five, Sarah turn
six.
You can do something like broodinto that location or right.
You could try to figure out likehow you time it.
You'd probably have to fill itfirst and then surf for it.

(23:51):
This is the only challenge,right?
The turn order, because if youSurfer it first and then fill.
It'll get, it'll double up onthat Surfer effect.
Right?
However, if you use somethinglike a brood to fill, you
probably wanna hit those broodswith the Surfer.
Yep.
And so playing it out andfeeling how these lines work is
gonna be important.
'cause generally speaking, thelast card you play is gonna be
Silver Surfer.
However, we also have a lot ofthese end of turn effects.

(24:13):
So it's like, I don't, I don'tknow, man.
It's gonna be interesting.

Cozy (24:16):
I agree with this a hundred percent, but I also
think brood is the one you wantto go to.
But I also think that youalmost.
Not never wanna do that, butmost oftentimes you don't unless
you draw super late because thebro's already a win con in a, in
a lane so many times, right?
So this one you just kind ofplan out ahead of time like,
alright, I'm gonna put, twohere, another cart here, and
then you end with Surfer, Surfergoes, pops off.

(24:36):
Then surfers that last bitbrings that lane up all the way
right with this guy.
And then broods popping off onthe other lane.
Like, that's kind of my thoughtwith it.
But yeah, if you get him late,you're gonna have to try to do
an insta fill kind of thing, butyou can set up for him.

Alex (24:49):
The one thing that I was thinking about was like, can you
finish his, his requirement withSurfer?
But I bet you once the card'sface down, it's gonna double his
power.
Mm.
So let's say this is the thirdcard in a lane and you play
Surfer as the fourth.
It won't wait for Surfer toreveal to then double human
tortious power.
Now we haven't seen this yet.
We don't actually know.

(25:09):
But I would imagine the cardbeing faced down would cause
this to double.
And then the Surfer effect wouldhappen if it was the other way
around where Surfer would revealand then it would double its
power.
It'd be huge, but I don't thinkthat's how it mechanically will
work.

Cozy (25:19):
Alright.
Make sure you just go Surfer,then absorb a man that's been
reduced in cost with the uh,with what?
Yeah, no, that is a good pointfor sure.
Uh, and they probably thoughtabout a lot of this,'cause these
now surfers getting so manydifferent ways to really go
vertical and horizontal quickly.
Right?
So.
I'm just glad to have a humantorch that isn't strictly on
move my God.
What a fun hero to actually beable to play.

(25:40):
That's not tied to an archetypethat not a lot of people mess
around with.
I think that's just a win.
But yeah, between what you weresaying earlier with Zoo, um, and
even like, I think you said itat the opening of the Snapchat,
just like even cars that you getso early on, like an Iron Heart,
it's like cool, like it, thingscan work with this very well and
I like the way it kind of worksitself out.

Alex (26:00):
Yeah.
I will say that also I thinkthat this has some potential
with like, agent havoc, decks.
Uh, the, um, like the venom onesis what the agent Venom, I
should say.
I called it agent havoc, agentVenom, because this could get up
to, uh, you know, agent Venom orbastard to, uh.
To three.
Three.
And then those cards, thosedecks often want these after
turn effects happening, likethena and stuff like that.

(26:21):
You could also consider a futurecard we're gonna be talking
about momentarily to double upon those types of effects.
So I feel like there could be aagent havoc style like deck with
a lot of these fantastic piecesthat actually is kind of clutch
and that's one of the places Ilook forward to most going with
this card too.

Cozy (26:38):
Absolutely, man.
That's what I think.
Just like man, between Reed.
Counting in Surfer and givingpower though here too, to go
with galactic.
Ah, dude, there's a lot of,there's a lot of heat with this
guy, no pun intended.
Moving on, we got Ben Grim, thething five six, end of turn plus
two power once per turn if yoursight here is full, destroy an

(26:59):
enemy card here with less power.
Alex, what are you feeling aboutthis one?

Alex (27:04):
So I actually do think this card's pretty good.
It's just, it's one of thosethings where, in comparison to
some of the other ones, I don'tsee.
Like, I feel like the humantorch is better.
I feel like Mr.
Fantastic iss better.
I feel like this might be theweakest of the bunch despite on
any other regular season.
This would probably still be agood card.
Uh, I'm going like the 3.5range.
I think this is probably gonnabe a legit card.
I don't see massive downside init or anything like that, but I

(27:26):
feel like it's perhaps moresituational than the others.

Cozy (27:29):
Yeah, I can see that.
I mean, it's be a five 10,right?
I mean more often than not.
So you got that, you have Herbiethat can make a rock.
You know, you've got like thingsthat kinda like help it.
Because my biggest issue islike, all right, you fill a lane
out, like you're gonna win thatlane.
Most likely, like, at least witha lot of the way these decks
play out.
So like, destroying a cardoesn't mean as much, right?

(27:49):
Because like that lane's full.
And what ways you want to dothat, you know, and, and look
into it.
I agree.
I think like it, because there'sonly so many cards in a deck.
Like how, how will he look?
There's gonna be cards in thisfamily, this first family that,
get cut out and, and is he oneof them?
Does he.
Make up for the other powerfulslots and and opposed to the
other ones, he's competing nowfor a much tougher spot in the

(28:11):
game.
Right.
In, in, in the, in the, in thegame.
Within the game Right Turn orderwise.
And so that makes me a bituncomfortable with, with how you
draw him and how it's gonna workout.
But that being said, he coulddefinitely ramp up pretty big
and make some big, you know,kind of game swinging plays.
But I'm just, yeah.
I'm less gassed about'em.

Alex (28:31):
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly how I feel aswell.
My first thought was, thank Godhe is not a two drop.
So that's, that's going.
It's, I guess it's a win.
So yeah, but honestly, like I,we haven't gotten like many five
drops lately.
This one here feels like it's apretty interesting design.
If it feels reminiscent ofSpider-Man 2099, five drop that
destroys something thatobviously doesn't see play, but
this condition feels like itmight potentially be better than

(28:52):
Spider-Man, 2090 nines.
I don't know.
I'm all over the place on thisone.
I can see it being like just agood card, but not like the game
shaker that some of these otherones could potentially be.

Cozy (29:01):
And they were sure to do two things to make all these
cards benefit massively off ofeither Reed or Sue.
And this is another one.
Like you get this guy down tofour and if he gets hit with
that negative one cost, you'relike.
Hell yeah.
So like, okay, Johnny gets hitwith the plus two power, that's
what you want.
And if he gets, if he gets hitwith the minus one, now you're
looking at at at a four 12.

(29:22):
So obviously is much better.
And that's why I continue tothink Reed, outside of just the
first family is gonna just beone of the cards to have.
But yeah, you know, I think thisguy has, is gonna have a home.
I think he's gonna be fun toplay with, but I think compared
to the rest of them, he willprobably fall.
Somewhat flat, I guess is theway I, is the way to say it.

(29:43):
But yeah, I think we're bothstill.
What did you give him?

Alex (29:46):
I gave him a 3.5.
Yeah.
You've not given a rating yet.

Cozy (29:50):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with 3.5 because of Reed's synergy.
Outside of that, I'm a littleless, less who just copy me now.
A little less, uh, big on that.
Yeah.
I, I'll go first next time.
Invisible woman, Sue Sue Stormthree five.
She's a three five premium statline.
Alex, activate this turn.
Your end of turn abilitieshappened twice.

(30:12):
So I, uh, correct me if I'mwrong, I feel like this was not
an activate last time when welooked at this.

Alex (30:18):
I'm having a hard time remembering.
However, I still think this isreally good.
No, it's still very good.
But also I have, so I have somany thoughts about this card.
Like this is the one where I'mjust like question mark, LOL.

Cozy (30:28):
It is one of those cards that it's like you're gonna
laughably win or not laughablylose, but it's all, it there's
setup that needs to happen withit also.
Yeah.
The, the art, I don't know herface just Right.

Alex (30:39):
This looks like art from oblivion.
What is this?

Cozy (30:41):
It scares me, dude.
Dude, that's a good, that's agood call actually.
Like 360 oblivion, like way backin the day of living, like where
it's like the round faces.
But back then we were like,whoa, look at the graphics.
Um, and they

Alex (30:52):
do the thing where it like, zooms in.

Cozy (30:54):
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
And the lips were, yeah, maybesomething else.
But yeah, I, I think, uh, I,first of all that we could talk
about it.
Obviously we, we talked aboutthis in the past, but high Evo
you know, you do have, you dohave that going for, you have a
couple other end of turn carsthat can work, so you do, you do
have some other synergy outsideof the first family.
This is a much more narrow cardby design though.

(31:16):
You do have to look at that.
It does open up the landscapefor the activates, but it also
single handedly goes crazy.
In these first, in the firstfamily build.
Like it goes wild in that'causethere's some really good pop
pops with it.
But I, yeah the single activate,I'm looking, uh, talk while I
look here'cause I, I have the,uh, the card I wanna find.

(31:38):
When we talked about this acouple months ago, I'm, I'm, I
feel like they changed it onthis.

Alex (31:43):
Alright, so a couple things while Cozy searches here
this has been one of those cardswhere like I've been really
wrestling with myself with, interms of the rating and stuff
like that.
And first of all, three point,uh, 3.5 stat line is so awesome.
It's just so awesome.
It feels so low risk, especiallyin an era where you're getting
so many of these end of turneffects.
And it wouldn't surprise me ifthe next couple of seasons we

(32:04):
get more end of turn effects.
The prior design, if it wasdifferent, was probably
completely out of, out ofcontrol crack.
This one here, also being athree drop.
It gives it space between Reed,it gives it space between
Herbie, it gives it spacebetween, well, Herbie, you don't
really care about with thiscard, but it gives it space with
that.
Two, the fact it's not a twodrop is good because there's so

(32:25):
many good two drops you wannaplay this one.
Being a three helps.
And even with like high Evo, forinstance.
Okay, this here allows you to goinvisible one on three.
And then you can play yourcyclops on four, four pew pew,
go into turn five and thendouble pew p.
And then perhaps if it works,like I would expect it, maybe
double float the, uh, you know,the she Hulk.

(32:46):
I'm trying to think, what's sheHulk's text say?
Now that I think about it, is itactually end of turn?
Is it an end of turn effect Shehulk?
Or does it just say.
For every energy.
Why can't I remember the text ofa card I play so much.
Um, it's so funny when you'retalk, when you're talking about
mechanics, it's so important toactually look at the verbiage

Cozy (33:01):
at the, the left.
Yeah, yeah.
Does it say in, I don't think itsays in 10.
I think it says at the well.
Does it?
Yeah.
Let's, uh, well, well I'll letyou look at that up, by the way,
solution for this.
She was a three four by, I know,right?
She was a three four by the way.
Uh, with the same thing.
So she got technically better.
This is a, wow.
You're gonna win that much morecard.

(33:21):
Or like how much I, you'reright.
This is probably the toughestone to rank.
'cause like how imperative isshe gonna be the deck?
I think she's gonna be a goodcard.
I think she's definitely gonnabe a good card, don't get me
wrong.
At 3.5, but I don't know.
I like her less than Reed andHuman Torch by a fair amount.
I feel like because of her,yeah.
I feel like because of her winand the three five stat line

(33:43):
makes me nervous, it makes mefeel like she does, she's not
as, uh, what is she?
You you saw it with She Hulk.

Alex (33:48):
I just brought up shield.
I just opened my game.
Uh, it says cost one less foreach unspent energy each turn.
It's not an end of turn effect.

Cozy (33:54):
Yeah, I didn't feel that.
Which is

Alex (33:54):
hilarious because I've played, she Hulk probably more
than anyone on the planet, and Ishouldn't say that.
There's someone out there who'sdefinitely played more.
But I played a lot of She Hulk,and it took me a second to
remember like, wait a minute, Idon't actually think it's a turn
effect.
So it would not interact withShe Hulk, but it would interact
with a bunch of the other stuffthat you have in vo.

Cozy (34:09):
I'm gonna go, I think I'm gonna go with three and a half.
Ooh.
I'm gonna go a little bit loweronly because of, uh, not, I'm
not saying that you're not gonnahave like crazy pop off with
this, but I just feel like giventhe stat line and given how.
Well, this will work, and givenhow those decks are already
gonna function pretty goodbecause I'm looking at the other

(34:31):
cards, right?
It's like you got Human torch.
I guess we haven't talked aboutthe Fantastic car though.
Oh,

Alex (34:38):
you're looking at the wrong cards.
You want me to change your mindright now?

Cozy (34:40):
Yeah, well we didn't look at, okay.
Yeah.
Go ahead

Alex (34:43):
Tina.
Havoc.
Okay, both end of turn, doom2099, end of turn.
And that card has been there somany times.
And I honestly think it's stilla good deck that has probably
just fallen outta like themindset of the player base.
You know what, people just gotover it.
They got over Doom 29 9.
This brings Doom 29 9 back hard.

(35:04):
And you think about how that endof turn effect is double dipping
on the buffing of the bots,

Cozy (35:09):
right?
Yeah,

Alex (35:10):
it is.
It's basically like free limbofor that deck while shutting it
down early.
I think that this card might becracked in a Doom 29 9 show.
I

Cozy (35:17):
like that.
Okay.
Yeah.
'cause I, I, I was going moremiddle of the pack for the
Fantastic four, like that kindof synergy.
And even with High Evo a littlebit, I'm like, how much is she
worth that slot?
Yeah.
But yeah, doom.
Okay.
I could see it more.
So what do you give her?
You go like, you go in like fourand a half or something.

Alex (35:33):
You know what?
I might go five on this.
I might go five.
Okay.
I have concerns, like this islike, this is an uneasy five.
Like I've had like.
I'm five in this card, bro.
This is more of an uneasy five.
It's probably more of a 4.5, butI'm gonna go balls to the walls
and say five just for the, justfor the memes, you know what I
mean?
I do see this car potentiallybeing awesome.
I have a concern that, is itlike the Wong of this archetype?
It's like, bro, that's justgreedy.

(35:54):
Get that out of the deck.
I get that concern, but I don'tknow, man.
I'm gonna go through, I'm gonnastay with

Cozy (35:59):
three and a half.
I think I am.
I just feel like, yeah, it'slike how much do you want her in
the deck?
How much she gonna work?
In these archetypes that alreadywin in different ways, and how
much is she needed?
I feel like there's gonna belike silly wins with her too.
Like I'm not saying she's, she'sgonna have some crazy combos
because it, she's a three and ahalf now, but she's can go way
past that in the future becauseend of turn, that's like, you

(36:21):
know, you just said it.
They're gonna definitely messwith that as we move forward
there.
But I like it.
We have a little bit of adifference here.
I like that.
Yeah.

Alex (36:28):
And the reason why I like it too is because if I think
about what those Doom 2099 deckslook like is you do like Azabu
into Doom 29 on three, and thatallows you to start getting
those bots out.
You play this on four, you knowwhat I mean?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And then you just, and thenanother bot comes out and you're
already on your game plan andyou doom or whatever, and you
activate.
And then all of a sudden it'slike bots, bots, bots,

Cozy (36:47):
bots.
I just that

Alex (36:48):
like, there's just a lot.
And then what if, what if youuse Ben Grim in that deck and
all of a sudden he fills alocation with the bots?
Boom.
Destroy a car on the other sideand

Cozy (36:59):
gain, I gain plus two twice there and gains plus two
twice and the torch gains plus.
Okay.
Alright.
I see it.
I like it.
I want it to happen.
I'm wondering if it's more funthan it is.
Good.
I think the three five, hergoing from three four to three
five is what makes me nervous.
You usually see that with cardsthat, uh, uh, perform less than
stellar in second dinner's eyes,but we'll have to see.
So those are all the cars kindof put together in one unit,

(37:21):
gonna work together great, butalso moving forward.
But we do have.
The fantastic car, Alex, thefantastic car.

Alex (37:29):
I need to get my whi for this conversation or what

Cozy (37:32):
season pass.
Plus I've seen people like, whocares?
It's the cheapest way to get acar now.
It's so cheap because it's, it'seasier than getting other cards,
but, you know, I don't know ifthat makes it much better.
Uh, and

Alex (37:45):
one more thing I wanna say before you go off Sue Storm
there, not Sue Storm.
What?
That was her name.
Yeah.
I am upset with the fact that'sthe art we get and rivals gets
the other part.
Yeah.
I, dude, right, dude, thismovement.
Yeah.
They're saving for variance,

Cozy (37:55):
bro.
They're waiting for variance.
They, they were like, Kyle, canwe find her not like beating on
a maker as also this art makesit look like two storms in both
seats.

Alex (38:04):
Fantastic.
Car is more physicallyattractive than that.
That image.
Look at that.
Yeah,

Cozy (38:07):
look at that front bumper, bro.
I'm already, uh, I'm a rock.
Okay, so I'm talking about Gigi,I'm talking about the thing.
Uh, look at the thing in thatlittle front bucket there.
He's got, he's got a good littleview there.
Doesn't it look like JohnnyStorm's also suit like that?
Their hair?

Alex (38:23):
I can't tell them apart.
I could, I guess he has aflaming fist, right?

Cozy (38:27):
Yeah.
I don't know about this thing.
I feel like this design too,these, these guys are like mass
scientists.
They could have probably come upwith a little bit of a better
design, maybe.
I don't know.
Do you

Alex (38:35):
think that they like actually hamstring the artist?
I don't.
Okay.
I don't wanna chirp book that.
I don't wanna, the artist canfly because I obviously have no
talent myself, but it's like.
Did they tell him like, yo,don't make it look that good?
Yeah, I need you.
Do you think he can look at it?
You're

Cozy (38:48):
10 out, 10, you're in 10 out 10 artists, but we have you
as the base card.
I need you to do thisleft-handed.
Like, if that's okay with you.
Or like 10 whiskeys in like, andthen they like send it back
like, it's too good.
Make the thing look worse.
Make'em look smaller.
But yeah, who knows?
Hey guys, this is our seasonpass plus reviewed card.

(39:09):
I think the thing that like,just kind of tells me what I
need to know is that if thisdoes come out in a new season,
plus plug plus whatever, theydidn't mention it in the trailer
and to me that means thatthey're just afraid to do so.
So why are gonna, they mentionit in the trailer if it does
come out in the past.
It truly is like why?
Just mention it in the trailer.
Like you stand on the groundthat you, you you're trying to

(39:29):
do your thing on, right?
Like that to me is.
I don't like that practicepersonally, but maybe it doesn't
come out that way.
Maybe it doesn't get, this isall data.
Mine could

Alex (39:36):
not.
Yeah.
We really don't know.
And actually it's ironic becauseyou and I waited for, the
trailer waited because ofsomething exactly like this.
Like we chose to wait for thismoment to be like, okay, we need
clarification on Fantastic Carbecause it was a data mine
recently, the suggested.
It was gonna be applied to thelimited time game over.
Looks like that could be thegrand arena or whatever.
Right.
So did they actually changecourse?

(39:58):
Did they take the feedback fromwhat was going on with the kiddo
Omega be like, bro, we can't dothis.
People are gonna absolutely goinsane.
Which people are already goinginsane because it, they already
confirmed they were gonna bedoing something like this and
then they tried to.
I, I don't know.
We don't know.
And the fact that it was takenout of, I'm assuming they had
something recorded about it andthey're like, yo, let's just cut
that part.
Is that portable fantastic card?
Let's just cut it.

(40:18):
Yeah.
To give us a little bit of theleeway to decide what we're
gonna be doing with it up untilthe last moment.
So we really don't know for sureif this is a limited time game
mode card, a series four card oran FU give us money card We
don't know yet,

Cozy (40:31):
but we do know it's a series 4, 4 7 activate.
Give your end of turn cards plustwo power.
So.
Obviously not bad.
You know, last, last play of thegame, you get yourself some,
some big time net gain from thisthing.
And opposed to, four seven's notthe worst, it could definitely
go well above your fours and anaverage play.

(40:53):
Especially if you line it upjust perfectly.
You're gonna have to really lineup some of these, uh, on
the.here to get like, Johnny tokick off or whatever, right?
Uh, I keep calling'em Johnnyinstead of like their.
Superhero names.
I'm used to doing that fromrivals, but I don't know.
I like this card.
I think it's gonna work in thething.
Uh, do you think it's gonna fitin a shell though?
I like, that's the ultimatequestion.

Alex (41:12):
Oh, there's a couple things about this card.
Uh, first of all, almost all mynotes are about like whether or
not it's paid wall or not.
So it's just kind of hilarious.
'cause now I don't know what todo.
I'm kidding.
I have all tons of notes.
So I think this might actuallybe a really good card.
However, it's a card that reallywe don't understand the full
power of until Sue Star comesout.
Until we get to the end.
Of the season.
Yeah.
Where we have all of the cardsto create the fantastic deck.

(41:35):
We don't really know how thisarchetype's gonna shape up.
I think that this couldpotentially be very strong.
I think that the four drop isvery good and it feels like,
again, the way they designed itmeans that you could kind of
play things together.
2, 3, 4, Ben Grimm, whatever,like you have those lines,
right.
For that reason, I think this isprobably a good car.
I can see it in a 3.54 starrange.

(41:55):
I think that it works well withlike, even some other stuff that
you might not consider off thetop.
Like, I'm trying to remember,like Adam Warlock.

Cozy (42:02):
It can go with like they, like Adam Morelock, not like
you'd use it with like Red Hulk,but you've got like, you have
cars that can like, that canbenefit just from the plus
power.
There is two.
That new Silver Surfer that'sgonna like, repeat the on reveal
if you're winning that location.
Like that kind of stuff isreally gonna matter as well.
And, and it just works naturallyinto that.
And so.
There is a multitude of stuff.
Like next season is very muchfeeding into this still too the

(42:25):
gala, this whole shtick thatlooks like it's coming out.
So yeah, it's gonna have itsplace.
It you are correct.
We're gonna have to see I ifit's better than, you know,
something like a, a Marlin,whatever these catchall cards,
like does this fit into thatbetter?

Alex (42:41):
What I'm trying to figure out here and I just grab my
phone so I can like, look at acouple things here.
It's like.
Dude, there are a lot of end ofturn cards.
A surprising one, like we'refocusing very much on the
fantastic.
By the way, when I opened up myphone, it asked me for a survey
question.
Has there anything frustratedyou with Marvel Snap lately?
I don't know if you've seen thatit popped.
I didn't.

(43:01):
I wish I didn't click throughit.
Anyone, you guys in thecomments, you'll, you would've
seen it too.
'cause there's no way it wassent to me.
But that's awesome.
Um, like I'm checking right now,I believe Hydro Bob is an end of
turn card, right?
There's so many cards that likelikely benefit from this.
And um, I don't know.
I just think that when you havecards that have this very wide
applicable range, I think thatlike you, because you can put

(43:25):
them anywhere, they're verylikely to find a spot where they
actually pop up.
Yeah.
Hydro bobb iss an end of turncard.
So this would buff hydro bobb toa one six.

Cozy (43:31):
Yeah.
You have eson, you have hydrobobb, not like black hat would
be, uh, used.
But you have bad guy.
You got bacard.
Again, these are not, lemme useas much thena to your point.
Sunspot game plus in turn gameplus one power for each unspent
energy.
That's obviously gonna be gas onsome of this.
That's gonna be a great one todouble hit with the visible
woman.
Holy crap, Cyclops.
Oh man, I feel like I underratedher now.

(43:53):
Yeah, obviously all the, um, allthe, uh, man and Adam Morelocks
too, if you're winning an AdamMorelock lane, you can, you can
really feast into that as well,like, and, and kind of pop up
with it.
Havoc.
Marvel boy.
Oh dude.
That's right.
That's why I was going crazyabout Invisible Woman was also
with like Zeus, like Marvel Boyis wild with Invisible too.

(44:14):
I hate my three and a half.
I might go to four now.
Now that I'm looking at thisfull list of end of turns, I
feel comfortable going to four.
That's fine.

Alex (44:20):
You want me to change it to a four Cozy?

Cozy (44:21):
Yeah.
Now that we're looking at, we'dhave the whole list pulled up.
Yeah.
I feel like she's a little bitmore flexible than it can be.
Although I'm gonna regret thisin like a month.
Be like I had it at three and ahalf.

Alex (44:30):
How often you regret it?
I went five.

Cozy (44:32):
Yeah, that's fair.
You

Alex (44:33):
have perfect.
Like if I do have some safety,if I, and unlike you, rose it,
if it's low, I look like aclown.
Either way, you're safe.

Cozy (44:39):
That is fair.
So those are like the main ones.
Those are the main end, end ofturns that, that just popped
off.
But how much, you know, like howmany of those do you have down
and how much can you like, swingthat into, I mean, yeah, you can
make this into like what the,it's not even about getting like
the four 11 power or four 13.
It's like what can you do withthat given power?

Alex (44:59):
What I find fascinating is what's the end of turn looks
like?
Like how do you delay Marvelsnaps so hard that the game
becomes unplayable.
Like you start it with likeThanos and Ahum and then you
have all these activates.
So like a three minute gameturns into nine minutes of
animations going off because youstart with all these animations
and then you end with all theseanimations and I don't know, I

(45:21):
just had that thought likeactually chaining together,
these activates near the end ofthe game if you draw them all is
actually gonna be kind of weird.
Crazy.
It's like the

Cozy (45:27):
one thing they keep running into with this, like
playing at the same time,gameplay loop and fast game.
It's like a lot of games benefitoff of cool animations and
stuff.
This one's like me want to playfaster, don't make me watch
fantastic car, fly in the airand give plus two power to all
these whatever cards.
Yeah, because in the turd onesare typically the ones with all
those chain, uh, animationshere.
But, uh, what did you give thiscar?

(45:48):
We, we didn't even give our starrating here.

Alex (45:51):
Uh, my story.
I did.
I said it was, uh, I can see itdefinitely being a 3.5 to four.
I'll land on four.
I do think that this is prettygood.
Like, and I think that it's, I'mgonna go other three.
Another thing that's, you'regonna go three.
Okay.
You know what?
I can see, you know, I'm gonnago 3.5 I think.
No, no.
I'm gonna stay four.
I'm not gonna let you talk medown.
You've done that before.
You like this season?
I think this season's strongman.
I think they want to make cardsthat entice people to spend

(46:14):
packs and money and that's fair.
No, I don't think they're good.
Over the last couple seasons,we've had some good cards.
I think the design landscape ofthe cards we're gonna ta of,
like on my side, we're cool.
Like we had some cool stuff.
But these feel like they're verysynergistic and they all have
like, I feel like they haveplaces naturally that go into
like Medex now, which likeDeramus didn't and others

(46:35):
didn't.
Like they had to kind of buildtheir own archetypes out a
little bit.
Whereas these cards, they couldlike this awesome deck, boom,
add this and it pumps.
Yeah.
And then you maybe make somemodifications and that's how you
min-max it.
They have very natural placeswhere they go like now.
Yeah.
Which makes them, I think, muchless risky and raises their
floor quite frankly.

Cozy (46:54):
And a bit of future proof of that too.
Like they, they're able to toscale nicely into the future,
which is always good.
We have two other cards, Alex,that we don't know the exact
numbers on.
We just have what was data Mind?
We have Moleman three.
Three, honor Reveal.
Look at this heart.
Banish the top card of yourdeck.
Add two rocks to your hand.
Set their power to the banishedcard's cost.

Alex (47:15):
That's

Cozy (47:16):
a

Alex (47:16):
mouthful.
How are the duck going hardhere?

Cozy (47:18):
Yeah, I mean, uh, listen, it, it can, this guy, this guy's
got some potential man.
It's like one of those like Mimicards, but like this thing could
throw out some, some crazy, likeyou can go with like a greedy
deck and make this thing workPretty cool.

Alex (47:33):
Yeah.
Like you banish tto, so you'rerunning a Howard the duck tto
deck, which makes perfect sense.
And then you, um, it's a car.
I don't

Cozy (47:41):
know.
It's, yeah, it's a card's costthough.
That's the thing.

Alex (47:44):
Yeah.

Cozy (47:45):
So like, my thought is like, maybe you just go with
like, like a full cheat deck,like Jubilee and whatnot, right?
And then it's like this can kindof build into that.
So like, you're already doingone of those kind of decks.

Alex (47:56):
Mobius and Mobius fixed.
It's, it's a pixie deck.
Moby a Mobius, pixie Molemaneasy, right?
Gigi, you got all the, you gotall the lines there.
You got chunky boys in the deck.
If you don't drop Pixie, youmoleman them, right?

Cozy (48:09):
This, you not see it.
Imagine I see it.
Imagine losing a moleman.
This guy looks like the guy inthe In Incredibles.

Alex (48:15):
I wanna know what his belt is like.
Is he wearing like a, is thisbelt like one of those?
What are those?
Like Boy scout badges.

Cozy (48:22):
It looks like nails on there, dude.
Oh man.
I want an incredible season nowthat we think about it.
It's Disney.

Alex (48:28):
Somehow.
Why?
For these like series fourreleases.
They had Cobra and they're like,yo, let's make this guy look
like a complete dumb ass.
And then they're like, how do weget someone to look dumber than
Cobra?
Well, Mo man, let's give themgoggles.
Let's give them a boy scoutbelt, a cape for some reason,
and make'em look like a completeclown.

Cozy (48:44):
It's a source material, bro.
Mad thinker.
The mad thinker at one one.
Again, these are not, uh, hardstats at the start of each turn
after drawing plus two power ifyour hand is full.
So we talked about this one.
We're like, oh, you know, dle,dinosaur kind of kind stuff.
Like you could kind.
As a one, one scaler, likethey're getting more of these

(49:06):
scale.
Like, I actually wouldn't besurprised if this was a,
another, a new one, cost scalingcard because they're, they've
been trying to get some more ofthese out there with kind of
just much harder conditions thanthe ones that have been out
already.

Alex (49:16):
I'm not sure about this card.
I would be surprised if it'sone, one.
I probably, I don't think to bestronger.

Cozy (49:22):
Yeah,

Alex (49:22):
maybe like, I don't know.
We don't know.
They didn't show us.
Imagine that.
Imagine showing us in thetrailer.
That's quite a crazy concept.
But like, I, I don't know, man.
This condition seems like itmight be a little too hard.
I mean, at least if Ronan getspopular, you have this,

Cozy (49:35):
I dunno, plus two power those.
It's like, how fast can you fillyour hand though?
And so, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
You

Alex (49:41):
play this over Nebula though.

Cozy (49:43):
No, that's the thing.
It just seems too hard.
It seems too hard to get going.
I guess you could just go likeall in, in the Agent Colson and
Friend's deck or whatever, justtry to like fill your hand as
quickly as possible.
You go with, um, what's thathella carrier, Nick Fury.
Just try to, try to guesssomething.
I'm getting like a one fivequickly.
One, two, I think would be, youdefinitely get the value out of
it.

(50:03):
Uh, at that point.

Alex (50:05):
I know where you can use him.
He's bullseye fodder.

Cozy (50:08):
That's true.
Oh, uh, alright.
That is Matt Thinker.
That is moment.
And these guys are coming in.
What is gonna be commander ofSnap.
And that is, we even know that,

Alex (50:21):
I think they just said series four.
I don't think they told us howthey're being released.

Cozy (50:24):
Yeah, I don't know either.
I think they could be comingthrough this, but they've got
the grand arena and man, look atthese builds.
It's kind of cool.
I like that they went into likethe, they really plated to the
theme here.
You are gonna choose yourchampion in pre-built decks.
So you can go pre-built decksand each of these champions,
Alex, are gonna have.
A a a kind of a car that worksfor them or an ability that

(50:46):
works for them, right?
So some of the examples thatwe've had thus far, lemme see if
I can pull some of these uphere.
We've got maximum carnage onreveal banish this to move your
champion here.
Repeat this.
It's honor reveal ability,right?
So I, everyone love this Councilof Reed Honor reveal.
Give an ongoing card in newhand, negative one cost plus one
power.
After you plate repeat this.

(51:08):
These are the ones that theyshowed and teased, and then we
have.
Uh, what is gonna be Herbie'sreveal, execute all four of
Herbie's abilities here.
This is awesome.
I, this is where it's like, God,give us this in a real mode the
whole time.
Oh, this is literally

Alex (51:22):
war Wally.

Cozy (51:23):
Look at this guy.
It does.
It looks like a Bay Blades andBay Blades, Wally or something.

Alex (51:28):
Uh, I, I've seen Bay Blades so many times at like toy
stores and I have no idea whatthey do.
Do.
People just like spin them andbash and they like battle tops.

Cozy (51:36):
It's like forming Ora as a kid.
Farming aura.
Yeah.
As a kid.
Yep.

Alex (51:41):
What's Aura?

Cozy (51:42):
Yeah.
See you dude.
You gotta, dude, you're theteacher.
You should know these words.

Alex (51:46):
Farming, aura.
I don't know man.
You're from San, no, you're fromCalifornia, man.
So California, you guys are onlike the cutting edge of slang.
You have to understand.
It takes a while to get up here.
The kinda catch,

Cozy (51:56):
What do you think, dude, about this moment with the
champions and like, you know,getting specific cards with it?
I like it.
I think this is a fresh take.

Alex (52:03):
I think this is great.
I think this is great.
This is exactly what they neededto do a long time ago.
I think they actually cookedhere.
I like the idea that there'scards that, uh, are accessible
for players, whether or not theyhave them unlocked huge win.
Uh, this is a great idea andthis seems like it probably took
them months to develop this andthis seemed like someone at
second Andrew's like, Hey, Ihave a great idea for an actual

(52:23):
good game mode that will engagewith free to play players and
all players all around.
It, uh, utilizes our knowledgeof things like Magic Commander
and stuff, which we've talkedabout at ad nauseum.
I just, I literally just boughta new commander deck and, um,
it's, I, I don't know.
They did it like this is a greatidea, especially that free to
play element, and I just wishthat, um, they told us sooner

(52:46):
that they were playing somethinglike this, and I hope that it's
something that they return to.
I, I just hope it lands.
I'm just, you know what?
I'm scared about Cozy and Ishouldn't have this anxiety.
Let's be, I'm gonna take the, I,I'm anxious.
Because it's like, I shouldn'tbe anxious about this, but I'm
like, how are they gonna, howare they gonna drop the ball?
How are they gonna fumble this?
Is it gonna have a ridiculousstore?
Is it like, what are they gonnado to ruin the type?

(53:06):
Like that's what I'm worriedabout.
What I should have this anxietyCozy.

Cozy (53:10):
Yeah.
What currency is gonna come outand can't hear me.
But what currency's gonna comeout?
What track is gonna happen tomake this thing Exactly.
Just, yeah, you pay, you getdouble the car, whatever.
You know what I hope they do?
'cause rivals did this withtheir auto trusts mode.
They released it and they'relike, they used it to gauge the
interest and then they're gonnaput more, you know, time and
resources into it, most likelyto have it come back as more of

(53:33):
a permanent mode.
I hope they do that.
With something like this, it'slike, put this out there, see
the hype about it, you know, Iget not making it, let's say
like a permanent thing rightaway.
And then if it has a ton ofhype, then you have a whole
foundation to work with whereyou can really stretch this
thing out.
And then this is a gas new wayto play.
But yeah, I just don't monetizeit to the floor.

Alex (53:51):
No, I, I agree.
I absolutely agree.
I just hope that they cook.
Let the game designers cook.
Keep the monetization team thehell away from this game mode.
Just tell them to get outta theroom.
Don't even tell them you'rereleasing it.
I hope they found, I hope themonetization team found out
about Grand Arena.
Like today when they releasedthe trailer, that would've been
perfect.
You know what I mean?
And they're like, why didn't youtell me?
Wait, we have all thesecurrencies planned.

(54:12):
It's like, that's why we didn'ttell you.
Wait.
That's why we didn't tell youwhatever your name is.
Sure.
'cause you were gonna ruin itlike you've ruined everything
else

Cozy (54:19):
either way.
Absolutely.
Butts about it.
Alex.
And the season as a whole, Iguess a little bit tougher to
rank these cards'cause you likeso many of'em.
Let's start though from the didwe start at the best of the
worst?
Which one?
I feel like Matt think are theworst.

Alex (54:32):
I, I like going to the top.
Where do you wanna start from?

Cozy (54:34):
Matt?
Think your mole man is so toughto rank too.
'cause we just don't knowanything.
I almost think we leave themout, but I guess we can try to,
based on what they are.

Alex (54:40):
Putting at the bottom.
I don't even care.
Alright,

Cozy (54:42):
let's start at the bottom.
It's Matt Thinker.

Alex (54:45):
Yeah, Matt Thinker for me as well.

Cozy (54:48):
But then is it Moleman?
Uh, yeah.
I, we just don't know for them.
Yeah.
It's just too hard to like,until we get appropriate stat,
we stats don't have their stats.
Yeah.
What is the worst fantastic carcoming out?

Alex (54:59):
I don't love it, but I'm gonna say I think the thing is
gonna be the worst.

Cozy (55:02):
Okay.
I am going fantastic car

Alex (55:04):
Really?
Yep.
Fantastic car.
I mean, trying to record theseso that we, we don't.
So fantastic car.
That actually surprises me.
Okay.
Um, because I'm going fantasticcar as well.

Cozy (55:15):
Next step.
Well, no, I went, you went thingthen.
Fantastic car, right?
So I went Fantastic car.
And then am I gonna go to thething next?
Am I gonna do that?
Uh, yeah, I am.
Yep.
So we just flip that.

Alex (55:27):
Yeah.
So that's, that's us Flip there.
So now we're at number, uh,number four, right?
So we've got Mad Thinker,Moleman, I've done the thing.
Fantastic.
Car.
And my number four will beHerbie.

Cozy (55:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna go en visitor.
Herbie.
I, I'll go.
Invis is.
Okay.
And Herbie, I would go

Alex (55:42):
Mr.
Fantastic.
Number three.

Cozy (55:45):
Okay, I'm gonna go Herbie, where you have that.

Alex (55:47):
Ooh, Herbie, that's high.
That's high for Herbie.
Herbie love.

Cozy (55:50):
Well, it's just one above you.

Alex (55:52):
Yes.

Cozy (55:53):
And then I'm going, well listen, when

Alex (55:54):
you only have like eight cards, two of which we don't
only have powers for, so reallysix one above is a big deal.
Cozy.
Are you sure you wanna do that?
I'm

Cozy (56:01):
locking it in and then I'm finish with Human Torch and Reed
as my best.

Alex (56:06):
Damn.
So we got a little bit differenthere.
I'm gonna go I almost wanna gohuman torch number one, but I'm,
who's your, who else would benumber The invisible one?
Invisible Woman.
Okay.
I think invisible women might bebetter.
Like I just think I'm thinkingabout that Dune 2099 deck and
then it's gonna get nerved andthen human torch is better.
I dunno.
You know what?
I'm gonna stick with myinstincts.

(56:26):
Human torch two.
Invisible women won.
I'm ready to be wrong, but I'malso so ready to be right

Cozy (56:30):
locked in.
Come around here in August,dude, I'll be in China in
August.
Really?
Whenever this episode will air,I might, I bring my, you like
tour equip a factory?
No, I'm doing, uh, I'm castingMarvel rivals, man.
I'm doing a, uh, I'm doing theirland anyway.

Alex (56:45):
That was a joke.
Obviously.

Cozy (56:47):
It could be.

Alex (56:48):
You're like, yes, actually I'm going to a Pokemon plush
factory.

Cozy (56:51):
Yes.
Working way.
Uh, starting a new channel.
I will bring my equipment therethough.
We could film.
That'd be fun.
Live from China,

Alex (56:57):
but I have to be in China.

Cozy (56:58):
Yeah.
Come on over.
Quick trip.
It's only 22 hours.
Wait.
I understand.

Alex (57:01):
We can use the magic of the internet to continue
filming.

Cozy (57:03):
Yeah.
I came out recently thatinternet, that yeah.
You guys use dial up there inCanada or what?

Alex (57:07):
Yeah, well, Tim Burners, Lee's working on the internet
for us over here.
We're doing what we can

Cozy (57:11):
one

Alex (57:11):
day at

Cozy (57:11):
a time.

Alex (57:12):
You know what I just realized?
The time zones for us arealready so bad.
The Chinese time zone's gotta beworse.
Like for us to record what haveto do better

Cozy (57:19):
because I'm like a full day ahead.
So it's either worse or somehowlike, it's like a perfect
timing.
It, it works out.
Fantastically.
Look at how I ended that.

Alex (57:27):
Cozy.
How you doing, buddy?
It's good to see you back.
Hopefully you're feeling better.

Cozy (57:31):
Good to be back, buddy, I think.
Okay.
I think our absence history nowis, I think I've missed two.
You've missed one.
I think that's what it is.
Or two.
And two.
I miss.
I miss part of

Alex (57:43):
one

Cozy (57:44):
and I've missed.
Then only part of one?
No, I've, or a full one I guess,but I've never missed part of
one.
I've only missed then a fullone.
I think you've missed part ofone twice.
Because we had two Barry ontwice.
I've had Mult.
I had molt on mine.
You had Regis on as well.
And Regis.
Regis was at

Alex (58:02):
Pax.
I remember.

Cozy (58:04):
But I feel like I've had, I feel like you missed a full
one long time ago with molt.
Because we did like a full, wedid like an hour and a half
episode when I was in Floridawith my family.
That's what it was.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
'cause we were gonna

Alex (58:15):
re like prerecord and then like something happened.
There's always something,there's always some, something
happened is the most true thingthat you can say in content
creation.
There's always somethinghappening, right?
It's, uh, I can't even believewe're filming right now, to be
honest with you.
There's a million reasons whyeverything was gonna fall apart
for us.
Uh, but uh, anyways, we are hereCozy and we are recapping what
was honestly a prettyfascinating season, uh, in

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Marvel Snap headlined by DoMamu, who's on the thumbnail
there.
And, uh, you know what?
There's a lot of good cardshere.
Now, Cozy, we're gonna getstarted with Merlin.
Merlin came out as a season passcard and uh, we applauded this
card.
We said it was gonna be a solidone.
We felt like it was gonna be amainstay in a lot of different
archetypes, but I think one ofthe major things that we kind of
brought up was the fact thatlike, this is a card that's

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gonna be able to go into a lotof different decks, a lot of
different archetypes, and besuccessful at that.
I came in at 4.5 stars and youcame in at a full L five Cozy.
What do you feel about yourrating?

Cozy (59:11):
I love this card still.
I think what, obviously it hassuch a high popularity that I
think that's hurt.
Its actual like sexy statisticsas far as like win rate and
where you can play it.
But man, this thing can beutilized just so well.
Yeah, maybe a little, maybe alittle hot on what I was saying
on it that, uh, on my side, butI still, I still stand by it

(59:31):
being man, I just feel like I.
Played this probably more thanany other card.
Yeah, that's fair to say.
Easily.
I played this more than anyother card across my Dex this

Alex (59:42):
season.
No, I agree.
And for what it's worth I agreewith your sentiment that like it
didn't quite hit that five star.
It didn't like boom mess up thatlike mess things up the way, uh,
it could have.
Yeah.
Uh, but it was definitely a verygood card.
Definitely worth having, uh,across the board.
Like we have like that, uh,galactic gwenpool buff deck with
Mr.
Siner that's running a 55% winrate.
You have sero control styledecks running a 53% win rate.

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You have that mercury cannonballdeck.
With Merlin in it, running a 53%win rate, and it very
consistently was a part of botha nihilist who got buffed and
also the agent havoc decks,which have consistently been
very, very good decks.
There are so many places to playMerlin, like if you, if you drew
Merlin.
You have just it's beautiful.
You got so many spots for him.

(01:00:25):
And overall you wouldn't behappier with that season pass
purchase.

Cozy (01:00:28):
I feel like he performed better for me to, well, first of
all, okay, I gotta say this.
Like, I've always been awerewolf by night truther.
I've always, okay.
Not truther, but yeah, like, Iliked, I liked playing werewolf
by night.
I love the things about it.
And I feel like, like he enabledthat way more, right?
So like, that's just been a coollittle bump up from him.
But also like any car that'sjust like, what can I do with
this deck?
Oh, this would make it, just somany more fun ways to play it or

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fit into that.
Merlin does that well and we'restarting to get more of those
cards.
That was, that's what makes ittough.
And so then trying to evaluate.
'cause I feel like it used to beAlex, like when you had a card
that was so super flexible, itwas like an automatic almost
five star card because therewasn't so many.
And now we're just getting aplethora of them.
So now it, it has to have thatand some Right.

Alex (01:01:10):
Oh, I absolutely agree.
Now, is there a particular skillthat stands out for you as being
like the top dog?
Omni Universal presence, whichreplaces location and gives
Merlin plus two power.
Um, you also do have, uh, oncein Future, which shuffles lowest
card power there and gives youplus two energy the next turn.
Or of course, polymorph.

Cozy (01:01:27):
Polymorpho was my favorite, but nightmare.
Obviously.
I liked Omni Universal, so itjust, it depended.
It depends on the deck, butPolymorph like, dude, how can,

Alex (01:01:34):
it's just too much fun.
Polymorph was a ton of fun.
It felt like it scam me the wayCirce did often.
I've gotta tell you, I knew OmniUniversal presence.
I knew, yeah, I listen.
Ccy iss, such a scammer, omni,universal presence felt like a
very consistently like, oh, thisis actually pretty useful here.
Card I almost never felt, um.
Felt bad playing an OMNIVERSEpresence.
The plus two power was great,and also location control and

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Snap is great.
The.
The scarlet witch element ofthis was somewhat problematic at
times, but overall I liked thecard a lot and, uh, once in
future was probably the weakestof them.
Although of course with the hoodand whatnot it was still solid,
although you often wanted topolymorph the hood anyways.
But yeah, Merlin, I would agree.
I.
Overall an exceptionally goodcard and Cozy, were we a little

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high on it?
4.55 stars maybe.
But I think this is gonna be acard that ages well, especially
as second dinner leans in on theskills as a whole.
Um, and that's gonna take us toour next card, which is gonna be
Morgan Lafe.
Uh, Morgan Lafe was one of thosecards that, uh, on release
didn't necessarily impress, uh,you have win rates that were.

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The, like the 50 percentilerange, low, fifties, high
forties, but then suddenly we'veseen a couple brews start to
shake up a little bit here andthings have started to get a
little better.
But czi, what are your thoughtson Morgan Lafaye?
That I,

Cozy (01:02:53):
I think, dude, I think as we talked about it, we like kept
trying to be like, I can seethis situation or this one too.
Dude, this card's not good.
I mean, at least in myexperience, I just, like, each
time I played this, I was like,I'm trying so hard to make this
thing.
Do its thing and work Well, whateven with, oh, do like, I was
trying it just, yeah.

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I think what, gee, what did Igive this thing?
Can you tell me?
I think I, I gave it like athree and a half or something

Alex (01:03:18):
Cozy.
I think you might take an L onthis one.
You gave it 3.5 and I gave, Godgave it a flat three.

Cozy (01:03:24):
Yeah, at 0.5 more than you, that it feels like a mile
when talking about this card.
Yeah, this is de I definitelymissed on it.
Definitely

Alex (01:03:31):
missed, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know what I gotta tellyou, to be honest with you
there, there are some cookshappening and it took weeks to
get there where you're startingto see a little bit of promise.
With Morgan Lafe, it's not quitethere.
Like again, the best deck rightnow is like an Uncle Ben deck
that's running a 50.3% win rate,but a positive cube rate.
Overall.
Everything else is awful.
All the other decks are justhorrible.

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So.
Yeah, she's definitely underimpressed, unfortunately.
But it's a cool design.

Cozy (01:03:58):
Is that, that one I saw that the other day with like,
uh, you have like angel inthere, death macari.
It's just like trying to feedYeah, yeah, yeah.
Macari.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That other thing's, uh, I loveif you like, really start to
cook up, you get a like 50% winrate dick, so that's, I know.
Yeah.
Not a good cook.
I know.

Alex (01:04:14):
With that being said though I do like the design
space.
It occupies.
We have not seen it, been ableto successfully be used in
discard, but destroy.
Looks like it has a spot for it.
Now, I, I was hoping maybe therewas a way to play Morgan and,
and Dormal together, but theyseem like they're a little too
expensive to be played together.
Um, just they don't occupy it.

(01:04:34):
You're not destroying quiteenough to make it worth it.
Uh, make it worth it.
So ultimately, yeah.
Morgan Le Faye underperformingyear.
And when we talk about underperformance.
I just typed one in.
So ancient one.
The ancient one.
We actually, this is hilarious.
I don't know if you rememberthis conversation.
Cozy.
You and I legitimately liketalking about walking down a

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stairway like we started atfours, both of us at fours, and
then we talked ourselves down tothrees and then we talked
ourselves down into the tworange with you coming a little
higher than me at 2.5 and I camedown to a flat two.

Cozy (01:05:11):
I don't remember you going at a two.
Man, I was higher than you.
Huh?
I thought this was the card youliked and I I gassed it down and
then got you down.

Alex (01:05:20):
I think I then I ultimately fell under you even
further.

Cozy (01:05:23):
How was that?
And then I was gonna go back upto meet you at four.
Bro.
You must have done a super swap.
'cause I remember this one.
I felt like I was for sure underyou.
What?
Hold on now.
I need the receipts.
Yeah, either, either way wecould have said, we could've
said any of those numbers, we'dbe wrong.
That, that dude, this card aloneis what gave me PTSD about, uh,
invisible Woman.
I'm like, three, five.
Cool.
Like, I know.

(01:05:44):
Gotta be something here.
Uh, obviously they've tried tohelp it out a little bit and it
still can work and, uh, somedecks, but no, I, I don't like
this card.
I just don't like the, I justdon't like

Alex (01:05:54):
much about it.
When I was testing this card, Ifound myself like.
It was Talman.
It was just too expensive.
At the time.
It was a three, so just, youguys know, it obviously has been
buffed.
It got changed from a three to atwo, and anytime I had Quinjet
on the board, I was like, youknow what?
This card actually kind ofworks.
It's kind of doing the thing.
It's not awful.
Now with Quinjet, it's a one.
This should have been a, itshould have been a two costed

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skill all along.
They definitely went a littletoo high on it.
Now it feels better, buthonestly, I think this is a
victim of the release schedulewhere now people have not really
gone back to cook with it.
It wouldn't surprise me if acouple, we need like another
ongoing release in the futurewhere all of a sudden you're
like, huh, how about thatancient one?
The only challenge with her isthat she's not an ongoing
herself, and so because of that,you're, you're not, you're

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putting a three, five notongoing and you're trying to
synergize with ongoing cards andso like, it almost alienates
itself from a lot of the decksthat wanna just go all in on
ongoing, you know what I mean?

Cozy (01:06:47):
Yeah.
Between this and cla, I feltlike they're gonna get better at
evaluating skill cards and howto properly cost them.
That was a big thing that I feellike from this season is that
you have like.
These skill cards and they'retrying to figure out, okay, how
do we give these cardsabilities, but they don't stay
on the board.
So like, how powerful can it beand how much does it need to

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cost?
And like, this was a little bitof its trial session, at least
for me.
I oftentimes came away like waytoo expensive on them.
And so you could see they dialedit back here.
Uh, we'll get to Clay in asecond, but that was my overall
opinion on it.
But yeah, I mean it, going downto two is.
Is is certainly welcomed.

Alex (01:07:24):
Yeah, no, a hundred percent.
And uh, overall, I don't thinkthat the, uh, the decks have
been performing particularlywell.
The top performing deck isrunning a 53.6% win rate, but a
very low, uh, play rate that isthe Rhino Deck.
Running things like Claw andMiss Marvel to try to make some
magic happen with the ancientone.
It's a really cool cook.
The idea of like having Rhinoand the Rock and then Miss
Marvel in the middle, and thenyou copy those into the Miss

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Marvel effect and then pump thesides.
That's, it's actually a reallywell designed deck.
Yep.
But the ancient one itself doesstill feel a little awkward
there.
And that's a deck that does notrun the likes of a Quin yet, but
instead has the surge and andother things like that.
So a very interesting list, butnot the meta shaker that some
people might have hoped that,uh, that the ancient one was.
And that is now gonna take us tothe card that I think was the

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most.
This was the one that you and Ireally went to town with in
terms of the arguments.
You came in at 4.5.
I came in at two.
I came in very low on Nightmare.
Now, I don't know if, listen, Iknow you're a busy guy.
You're like living cast.
I cast, I, I

Cozy (01:08:22):
heard Darren's side.
I came back to hear thereceipts.
There is more on my side.
I felt it.
I love it.
I dare.
Shout out to you, my guy.

Alex (01:08:29):
I should have just cut that whole section.
I'm like, Dara's, just agreeingwith Cozy.
Cut it out.
Cut it out.
I had the power Cozy.
I could have cut it out.
I could have controlled themessaging.
Yeah, so you and Dara definitelydid agree that Nightmare was,
uh, was definitely better thanthe two star I gave it.
Cozy.
I also agree that it's betterthan the two star.
I gave it as noted by my releasereview video where I said I love

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Nightmare and not just from apower standpoint.
Let me be very clear aboutsomething.
I think the power output ofnightmare has been good.
I think the cube rates are good.
We're you're talking about decksin like the 54% win rate with
solid cube rates.
It's a good card, but moreimportant than that, it's so
fun.
So fun.
I had so much fun playing thisdamn card.
I cannot tell you that, likethat video.
Was one of those ones where Iwas like, I just, I loved

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playing Snap in a way that Ididn't feel like I'd love
playing Snap in a long time.

Cozy (01:09:16):
Yeah, it was like a new way to like come oh, it's just
hard, you know, game's been outfor so long, it's like, how many
more really fun ways can you,make these cards?
And this was just one of'em.
And bringing life to cards,like, you know, again, Ana and
Gigantic.
So even like Aga the Deck couldutilize it and have fun with it,
right?
Like.
It does feel like the more cardsthat you have, the better it
gets too.
Like it when you get Star brand,when you mix in Merlin, things

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like that.
Like you need these to reallyhelp some of its consistency.
But overall,'cause that was ourthing with it, right?
It was like, okay, if you don'tget certain lines, how
consistent will it be?
Either way.
Like the problem with the agentone is it's like kind of fun and
I can't even say kind of goodnightmare.
It's like it, even if it waskind of good, it's, it's maximum
fun.
And that's what you look

Alex (01:09:56):
for.
You play nightmare and you Snapand your opponent's like, bro I
cannot stand, I'm not staying.
It's not worth, like I literallymade someone kneel, kneel, like
with Gig Anto.
It was so beautiful.
And then someone made me kneelwith Gig Anto,

Cozy (01:10:12):
even like a star.
I had to kneel on the Starbrand.
It's like, sorry, not SteinBrandand, infin.
And it's like this craziness,dude.
It's absolute, it's it'sabsolute craziness.
And I.
I'm here for that.
'cause like those are the playswhere it's just like sometimes
when you lose, you're like, dangit, I lost'cause of X, Y, Z.
And then sometimes you lose andyou're just like, I 100% don't

(01:10:32):
care.
That was epic.
It was just cool to lose.
Hundred percent.

Alex (01:10:35):
The only thing that I felt was awkward that I, I'm gonna go
on record saying I don't thinksecond dinner actually tested or
consider it a hundred percent.
Maybe they did, but I think theinteraction with skills was very
weird.
Like they, it probably shouldn'tbe hitting skills at all.
I think that was like a bug.
I thousand

Cozy (01:10:50):
percent agree.
I thought that like, becausethey keep changing like the
language of it.
Yeah.
A thousand percent.
Was there any interactions yougot where you were just like,
okay, like that's fine, but thisis what I was talking about,
like star brand went to um, aSurfer and I was like, it's
neutral, whatever, but he'sstill 10 power.
Like that's where it's like,feels really good.
And that's what I liked aboutit, was the neutralness of them
even.

Alex (01:11:09):
Yeah, and I mean like, there's also huge winners in
like Ebony Ma, which was awinner last month.
Um, yep.
I never got the Ironman ironskull, but I got like
Spiderwoman and stuff like that,which is still cool.
Like, that's like, that'sawesome, right?
Like just getting rid of theeffects a huge win, right?
Yeah.
And, um, and the decks did, thedecks that ultimately did
perform the best were the saurondecks.

(01:11:30):
I was hoping that we would cookoutside of it, but statistically
those were the ones thatultimately have done the best.
And it's because you havemultiple Wing conditions, you
don't have to rely on drawingnightmare, right?
You have other ways to win.
And, um.
Even then, like Merlin, it'sgreat with Nightmare man.
Yeah.
You got like Merlin's a must.
Yeah.
'cause you can run like Century,you can run Merlin, you could
get the nightmare, flip itpolymorphic, send it back to

(01:11:51):
your hand for extra energy,whatever you want.
Right.
So there was a lot of ways tocook around Nightmare.
Uh, I was a hundred percentwrong to doubt the card.
I, I felt like there was waysthat it could go sideways and
from that perspective, like.
Yeah, it's not, it's notcrushing the meta from like a
gameplay perspective, but evenif it wasn't as good as it is,

(01:12:12):
the amount of fun I had made itworth it.
And so this is one of thosecards that if you don't have,
uh, you gotta have, like, Ithink this is such a fantastic
card for Marvel Snap.
And actually, I don't know ifyou realize this,'cause he's
actually one of the, the primaryantagonists of Mystic Mayhem,
which is kind of cool.
Morgan in it too.
Yeah, I was, I was playing, Iwas like, bro, it's nightmare.
We're in the nightmare round.
Dammit.
It was kind of really cool tosee.

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Another card that's cool to seeis your boy Dormammu.
Now this is probably the onethat had the most excitement for
the season.
Cozy.
Both of us came in at fourstars.
We agreed for a change.
So that means I can't be wrong.
That's how exciting is that?
Dormammu, the three 11, theseven 11 I should say.
And I, I made a, I already mademy joke about cooking hot dogs
in his head, but seven 11,right?
And, uh, you got those threesummiting portals.

(01:12:56):
The three, the three rituals asthey say.
Honestly, I really liked thiscard.
I did.
Now its power level was somewhathit and miss.
Like I think that, uh, overallNightmare is a more powerful
card.
But what this did for theDestroy Archetype was, I think
analogous to what.
Happened to discard a while ago.

(01:13:18):
Destroys always primarily hadlike one or two ways to play it.
Yeah.
Whereas with Discard, you haveyou hit the Black Knight
version, then you had theDependable Discard, then you had
the Bullseye Discard.
This is giving a second identityto destroy, which I actually
really appreciated.
And uh, I.
I like the card and I'm gonna goout on a, I'm just gonna go out

(01:13:39):
on a limb here and say that evenif the card underperforms and
does not have the win rate thatyou would expect, I bet you
because of the amount of peoplethat got it, the excitement
around the card and the amountof design effort that the card
took, this is such a buffcandidate.
If it needs it, if it needsanything, if it needs anything,
it's gonna get it from seconddinner.
I think this is a card that'sdefinitely worth having.

Cozy (01:13:57):
Yeah, I think, I think I said most of my points that I
was gonna say.
I would say just the fact thatit may destroy less linear too
is probably like.
One of the best things about it?
You know, I think day one I wasa little, no, I don't wanna say
let down, but it's like, uh,yeah, it was cool.
Like, I think what we've seenthese giant big bads do, like,
you know, that's why we evenwent with a four without even

(01:14:18):
being able to like theory craftit.
It doesn't help either that thiscame out what Right.
With the kid Omega stuff.
So it's like you had all that.
Nonsense going on in thebackground, uh, but other way
Yes, I agree.
It is super fun.
I don't, I don't know ifthey'll, if it will get buffed
because it does feel like, itdoes feel like it, it could
warrant it at, at times, but Idon't know if they'll give it to

Alex (01:14:39):
it.
It's got lots of levers, likelots of dials that they can use
to turn right.
And for me what it was,honestly, it's, it's the first
summing ritual.
You have to get the wheel going,you gotta get the momentum
going.
You gotta destroy something.
And this is what was thechallenge?
These, the other ones I feltlike were totally fine.
Like this one here I think islike, it's basically like a louy
relatively, you can't reallysee, but it's only one cost.

(01:15:00):
And then for three, you'redestroying two cards.
You destroy Wolverine and BuckyBarnes, you're laughing.
I mean like this, this was just,it went right into the game plan
and my favorite part about thiswas often getting do out on turn
five, like if I can get someblessed stuff happening, getting
Dormammu out on turn five andthen having like Nolan death in
my hand basically free, almostbeautiful.
You love to see

Cozy (01:15:21):
it when it, it enhance more of what destroy does like g
when it's like you feel like,you know short sometimes it's
like you get like.
20% of what the deck can do.
Sometimes you get like 80% andthen like those eighties, you're
like, why am I not alwaysplaying this archetype bread?
It was so good.
And then you go kind of go backto the tent, like Dormal at
times would cook so well and itmade it just overall come a bit
more consistent because you havemore of those things that are,

(01:15:43):
uh, dipping into the total decks

Alex (01:15:45):
potential.
And it's also the kind of car,and again, we know nothing, but
I feel like they could veryeasily be like, huh, okay, we're
not gonna buff oo, but not thefantastic scene.
But maybe the season after that,maybe there's another car that
wants to get destroyed earlythat just loves being in a
deramus deck.
There's ways you can buff, likejust like Star brand came out.
Like Deramus did and StarBrand's like, yeah, it's good.

(01:16:06):
It's doing okay.
And then they changed the, soall of a sudden star brands
cracked, right?
Same thing with Deramus.
Perhaps you just need aninfusion of something to give it
a little more juice.
But, uh, but yeah, overall Icame away impressed with
Deramus, it's power level underthat of Nightmare, but still
doing a pretty good job.
Now this here is going, I'mgonna have to click, uh, unowned
here to make sure that I canbring up the next one.

(01:16:28):
Unfortunately, I do not have KidOmega.
I have not had the opportunityto have Kid Omega.
I know we've talked this carddown, like talk about beating a
dead horse.
We've talked about this card somuch, and I'll be honest with
you, I'm gonna be releasing arelease video when the card
releases to me, which will be, Iguess, uh, it's like July.
16th or something like that.
I don't know.
I put it in my calendar.
I don't have it written downright now, but it's gonna be

(01:16:49):
coming out in, yeah.
July 16th.
I was right.
In my estimation, we both camein at 4.5.
Early decks are showingapproximately a 54 to 53% win
rate, so I.
And I will say that in seconddinner did mention there was
someone in the know in seconddinner who did say something in
the creator discord.
And I did mention this last weekthat said like it's not crushing

(01:17:10):
the meta internally that somepeople might like the way they
might expect it.
However it's performing with thelikes of a card like Gwenpool.
A definite good card in MarvelSnap.
Um, so what are your thoughts onQ Omega thus far?

Cozy (01:17:23):
I haven't played it.
Yeah.
So I mean, I think such a weirdconversation.
What I can tell name Rod.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Unfortunately funny enough inboth those, the next two for
once play made may be the firstcard in.
As long as I can remember that Ijust had zero opportunity to
play with.
But I do know I.
Common set, setting it on it,but, uh, kid make, yeah.
Dink it's plate, you know,obviously it's gonna make nim
rod more fun and like that's, II'm all about that, you know,

(01:17:46):
black Panther series stuff likeit sounds super fun.
But Shana, game wise, you know,I was part of the, the strike,
so I didn't buy it or anythingeither.
But, uh, you know, excited totest it for me.
I'm just like pretending hedoesn't exist.
So, uh.
Until three weeks from now.

Alex (01:17:59):
That's exactly the way I'm approaching it too.
The card doesn't exist untilJuly, uh, 16th.
I'll roll my damn cashs for itor whatever.
My packs for it.
I'll get it that way.
And move on from there.
Um, wouldn't surprise me if the4.5 ratings that we and you had
given it will probably ring truebased on the early stats.
Now keep in mind, we barely haveany stats for it, man.
Like barely anybody got thecard.
Um.

(01:18:20):
But, uh, we'll have to see onceit's into the hands of more
players, I bet you this couldpotentially be a very
problematic card.
I think it activates so much inPhoenix Force.
That's where I wanna play it.
Honestly, it could activatestuff in Deramus.
There is just so many ways toplay this card and destroyed did
get Deramus and um, I feel itdestroys on the cusp of making

(01:18:41):
some magic happen.
And I think Kid Omega is gonnabe a core component of that
'cause it's just, it's free realestate.
You're destroying something youwanna destroy anyway and you're
gaining its power.
At a two one, you should do your

Cozy (01:18:50):
hair like him.
I think you would, you could getmore subs.

Alex (01:18:54):
I can't, uh, is this hair purple?
I can't,

Cozy (01:18:57):
no, you can do it a couple knives.
It's not colored with the, uh,the unowned.
Did you could, you could rockit.
It, it looks like Dexter in highschool.
Play out, dude, here's, this ismy, okay, so this was like my
hell week.
I went from casting like fourdays in a row, came in, had, uh,
a, my life.
Ridiculous.
Then they do season three stufffor rivals.
So then I had to cover this.

(01:19:18):
Then I had a whole thing with myfamily into 4th of July.
It was like impossible for the,the odds of me to play this
card.
All I know is I wasn't big onit.
You were?
I don't think it's gonna be agood card, but maybe I'm wrong.
How did it end up?

Alex (01:19:31):
So the way it ended up was, uh, it was ultimately
disappointing.
However, there's hope.
It performed very well in anAgent Venom deck that ran, uh,
Marvel Boy instead of some otherstuff.
So it's like the Havoc Sagethena deck.
However, this is where it, it'spainful.
That deck was running a 54% winrate and a positive Q rate,
which is solid, but the versionof that deck without clia.

(01:19:54):
Is strictly better, better ribetter win rate across higher
statistical, uh, there's morestats.
There's more games.
So you could play a suboptimalversion of a deck with clea in
it or cut clea and play a betterversion of it, is essentially
the way it worked.
Was it back?
I, I saw some cooking withJoaquin Torres Falcon.
It felt like you were divingtoo, in too far into a card that

(01:20:14):
like wasn't really worth it.
Like where you're, you're tryingtoo hard for a card that doesn't
warrant the effort.

Cozy (01:20:21):
Just like, just like you're doing to try to make it
sound better than it is.
Yeah.
I, what, what?

Alex (01:20:26):
I'm not trying to sound I, listen.
That was one of the firstbrutally honest reviews I've
released in a while.
I cooked this card.
I

Cozy (01:20:33):
it to me, right?
Like not only do you have to dothe whole.
The whole power gain thing,right?
Which is like, we've seen likework and, and sometimes,
sometimes not.
But yeah, I feel like that's themain thing with it.
But I, you know, who knows?
Maybe her and Morgan will be ina deck that that cooks one day.

Alex (01:20:49):
I'll tell you right now, the amount of kaori cope that I
huffed on the podcast with youwhen I was like, oh, KRI hits
him multiple.
Do you realize I played KRI somany times and it just dodged
hitting clea.
Forget about hitting it morethan once.
Like it didn't even touch, itwas like, forget that card.
I don't wanna buff that crap.
No, it just buffed like rocksand stuff.
Like it refused to hit the cart.
I played this card for like fourhours, maybe.

(01:21:10):
Got like the flames of faulttying or faulting.
I've been, so many people havecorrected me.
I think it's faulting.
I've got, I've literally playedthis card like maybe four times
over four hours.
Like, I just, I never proced it.
I was never getting the draws,nothing like that.
Maybe I was just cursed.
I don't know.
But like.
In essence, I don't think thisis horrible.
Like I don't think it'shorrible.
I think it's just not good rightnow.

(01:21:32):
And maybe if we lean more intothe skills and stuff like that
and we get some more buffs.
I mean, listen, Mr.
Fantastic Reed.
Yeah, yeah.
Reed Richards.
He buffs.
And this card can generate theflames in him.
He buffs

Cozy (01:21:43):
And Herbie buffs.
It could act.
It could go wild.
It could go wild.
And then you, but yeah, whoknows?
But I don't think it's gonna agelike fine wine.

Alex (01:21:52):
No, probably not.
He's already probably not.
And actually, on that note,Cozy, I came in at four stars.
You came in at 2.5 and then yousaid.
Maybe possibly to 3.5.
You said possibly 3.5.
But you didn't seem convinced.

Cozy (01:22:06):
I wasn't.
All I hated, I hated clia.

Alex (01:22:08):
Come on buddy.
You think I'm blind?
The notes don't lie, sir.
And I, I can't listen.
Listen, I can't find thereceipts.
I'm too tired.
We got, we're on a tighttimeline here, but talking about
Clia, the other card, whichobviously was hoping for clea to
be good was Nicholas scratch.
Oh my gosh.
This is a disaster.
This is my, I know we, we jokeabout me missing on Clea and
pretty much missing oneverything I talk about.
I don't.

(01:22:28):
Listen, scratches, were off.
Listen,

Cozy (01:22:30):
I think you were too hot on him this month, but I still
don't think you're far off inthe future.
Like I, we, we've talked abouthe will, there's gonna be more
skills that come across.
There's gonna be things thathappen.
But yeah.
You were pretty high on thisguy.
Didn't you put'em up like then,number two for the month or
something?
No, I didn't put him that high.
It was okay.

Alex (01:22:48):
I think CLE was that high.
I don't know, man.
I don't wanna talk about, Iliterally don't wanna go through
the ranking of the cards.
I'm so embarrassed.
But, um.
Is I, I'm glad that everyoneexpects nothing from me with
regards to rankings.
So that's what you got thismonth.
Nicholas Scratch, we both camein at four, by the way, and I
said four in the future, andthat's kind of what you said
too.
So we both said, you know what?
Like this is a card that's gonnaget better in the future.

(01:23:08):
Decks are running like a 52, 503% win rate range.
Not great from a Qreperspective.
He just underperformed and Ithink he really needed Clea to
do well to make him feel worthit if, and I think part of the
reason why, like I was high onNicholas scratch was because I
felt like Clea would've beenmore impactful, and if Clea was
more impactful, and if theskills were more impactful, and

(01:23:28):
if as for projection were Tavonext was more impactful, then
suddenly you have a.
A, a realm where Nicola Scratchcan get better.
You saw, you know what I mean?
It's like you almost saw likeyour, your, it's like your
fantasy football team.
You draft all the cards, you gotclea, you have Astral project,
you have all these cards.
You're like, man, Nicola Scratchis gonna pop off.
He's got the O line, he's goteverything he needs.
And then he just gets out thereand he just keeps fumbling the
ball.
You're like, why, why is Nicolascratch fumbled?

(01:23:50):
Well, it's'cause Clea iss thequarterback and she's always
throwing picks and it's likeit's, you know, after projection
it is just disappearing and it'sirrelevant.
The kickers missing that fieldmetaphor.
Yeah.
You like that?
That was cook

Cozy (01:24:00):
metaphor.
I liked it.
That was good.
Like also is like if all thesecards from two star to five
Star, then this card would alsobe a good card as well.
But yes, uh, he uh, give himtime.
Give him time.

Alex (01:24:13):
Yeah.
So anyways, Nicholas Scratch,did miss the mark this month,
but perhaps he can do better.
I will ask this.
I don't know if you know this,but does Nicholas Scratch have
any, isn't, isn't the name ofAGA's cat scratches?
Is that, does they have any sortof, like, did he get turned into
the cat or something?
There's a callback to it.
A hundred percent, yes.
Okay.
I wasn't sure about that.
Astral projection.

(01:24:34):
Astral projection.
I was gonna make a joke aboutthe first two letters of the
name you call it as projection,which I, I, I don't know.
That's not even funny.
It's just, you know, whatever.
I, at this point in time, we'rejust trying to get, get this put
out here.
I came in at 1.5 to two stars.
I thought it was pretty bad.
You never rated it'cause uh, youwere, uh, under the weather.
I

Cozy (01:24:52):
was like, dude, I don't remember talking about this
card.
I, I think I covered what I saidat the beginning though.
I think that all the skill cardsthat came out are them testing
the waters with skill cards ingeneral and where they should
cost and what it should do fornot being a card there.
And oftentimes, although thiscould do some cool stuff oh man,
there was one.

(01:25:12):
It just.
It doesn't sound the board.
I hate that.
And that, that bothers me forthe cost.
It costs for three costs.

Alex (01:25:19):
Yeah.
Cost three with no body.
And the, uh, a lot of peoplewere making some noise about
like the super surprise trondeck where you've played it and
hit the tron.
That deck's running a 35% winrate.
Like a brutally savage, negative0.42 cube rate.
So it's like it didn't quitework out as expected.
And ironically, the best placefor it is gonna be a, uh, a
Goliath based doom 2099 deckwith Mercury.

(01:25:41):
Even then, it's not doing thatgreat modest cube rate at 53%
win rate.
It's just not a great card.
It's just too expensive.
This will probably be too, uh,next OTA, this is probably down
to a two right off the rip.
I, I wouldn't believe it.
I would believe it, I shouldsay.
But um, but yeah, that, thatpretty much, uh, that pretty
much covers everything herebecause astral projection is
garbage and not really worthmuch of our conversation.

(01:26:02):
Uh, very disappointing card thusfar, but I mean, we haven't
quite cooked enough with that.
I think that there's still moretime, as you said, to make these
skills a little bit better.
Now, going through our finalrankings, Cozy, we need to talk
final rankings.
Now I will say that I am alittle sad because, um, I know
I'm gonna take the L here'causeI, I'd had a couple misses this
month.

(01:26:23):
I will read my list out top tobottom.
Number one, Merlin Kid.
Omega Clea.
So Clea was three for me.
You laugh yourself.
You laughed yourself over.
Nicholas Scratch Dormammu theancient one.
Nightmare.
Morgan Lafa, Jennifer, kale, andCobra.

(01:26:44):
I should just been sick thisweek.
I should not have shown up forthis podcast.
Like I honestly should not haveshown up for this podcast.
I got Cobra.
I got Cobra, right?
That's right.
Jennifer.
Kale and Cobra knocked outta thepar.
So Jennifer, kale, Cobra, andMorgan La Fabian at the bottom
were essentially correct.
And then I have, yeah, the wholething sucks man.
Let's look at Cozy.
Cozy take, which issignificantly better.
Was Merlin number one,nightmare.

(01:27:04):
Number two, kiddo Omega numberthree.
Dear mom, number four.
Damn it.
Cozy Nicholas.
Scratch Morgan Lafaye theancient one.
Clea.
Jennifer Kale.
Cobra.
Yeah, yours is almost perfect.
I think maybe Kid Omega over.
Nightmare.
Maybe that.

Cozy (01:27:17):
Yeah.
But I like it.
Oh okay.
Cozy.
Yeah.
I got you this month though.
You do?
Probably.
Although we're very close withour goals.
Invisible Woman's gonna go hard.
It comes down to InvisibleWoman.
It comes down to Invisible Womanis what it's gonna come down to
you on this month.

Alex (01:27:31):
Yeah.
But uh, a little bit of a messthis month.
But you know what?
That's okay.
You can't win'em all.
But you know what you do win atCozy, the Snapchat mailbag.
You gotta love the mailbag.
Cozy.
Because we got some funny,honestly, absolutely hilarious
comments.
And I'm gonna throw this one onthe screen here for those that
are watching at home.
And it was from the masters ofour Keen Kid Omega conversation

(01:27:52):
that you, I and Regis had.
And the comment was from SeaBilin and it said, Regis is the
middle transformation from Cozyto Alex.
And if you look at the image onthe screen here, it lit, dude.
It literally is.
I think it's the glasses thatdoes it.
It's the beard to no beard andthe glasses to glasses.
But Regis really was theperfect.
Meat to the sandwich.

Cozy (01:28:13):
I, oh God.
I, uh, I don't often find my, mypath over to Reddit, but I, I
did fit that week'cause it wasjust too juicy with all the
Omega stuff.
And I, there's a lot on thatactually.
I saw, and probably my favoritethough was like that just
there's a lot of conversation onour friendship buddy.
And that, that, that made mehappy.

Alex (01:28:34):
Well, you know what, it's uh, it's one of those things
where like, people.
I hope people realize that likeit takes a lot of effort to get
these podcasts out consistently.
And one of my favorite thingsabout it is legitimately just
getting to sit down, talk to afriend.
And even often, like in fulldisclosure, it's often the stuff
like off camera, not off camera,but like not, we're not
recording.
I get a chance to catch up withyou for the first 10 minutes of
the call and then like at theend we talk about a couple

(01:28:55):
things and like it's just, it'sa time for us to get together
because.
I mean, we all have friends thatlike, you know, you grow up, you
have families.
It's hard to stay in touch withone another.
Right.
And you're someone that I wannastay in touch with.
You're very important to me.
And, uh, this is, this issomething that's important.
It's, it's just important.
I know what else to say.

Cozy (01:29:12):
I kissed in the microphone.

Alex (01:29:14):
I saw that.
I appreciate that.
Just like content.
Enjoyer guy, beautiful nameappreciates this.
I'd say bring Kid Omega on as aguest, but you couldn't afford
him.

Cozy (01:29:26):
That's.
I like it.
Hats off.
Yes.
Yeah.
A hundred dollars.
A hundred dollars.
You could almost buy a full yearof season pass cards.

Alex (01:29:36):
I know for one card I.
The Kid Omega pricing.
You know, we should almostrecord an entire, I'm exhaust by
it.
Hour and 20 minute podcast aboutKid Omega.
I can't even talk about KidOmega anymore.
I just really, yeah, I don'thave the card.
I won't play it eventually, butContent or Joyer guy, that was a
very high quality joke.
We certainly appreciate it asmove onto our next question from
De Boarder.
I think that's how you'd saythat name.
I don't know.

(01:29:56):
I'm not reading anythinganymore.
My favorite nightmare moment wasa red skull turned into Black
Panther on five into an infin,turned into Artem.
Zola turned six.
So fun,

Cozy (01:30:08):
dude, I bet you I would've loved to have a highlight reel
of like the best nightmaremoments from that week.
There's probably some nuts stuff

Alex (01:30:16):
out there.
I know.
Even like, honestly, like BlackPanther, red Skull is pretty
awesome, but just like Ironmaninto Red Skull, I.
Then zing.
That Ade Zola is absolutelyinsane, but that is legitimately
so crazy.
That's pretty funny.
That is.
That's wild.
But yeah, that worked out welland it's honestly the reason why
I love Nightmares, which it'sprobably my favorite part of the
season.
Like honestly, as much as I likeMerlin, I thought their mama was

(01:30:37):
cool.
The amount of fun I had playingNightmare it was peak Marvel,
Snap for me.
And then Okon, wow.
Okon came at me hard.
Not to be a corporatist jerk,but why does no one challenge
Alex's assumption that free toplay players should expect to be
collection complete?
That doesn't seem like arealistic expectation to me.
Alex's complaints about extracards always boil down to, but

(01:30:59):
everyone has to be able to getall the cards.
I'm not buying it.
I want the game to remainsolvent.
Just trying to call this lot outthere or what.
Well, what I'm saying is I thinkit's a very fair assessment of
like.
It's one of those.
First of all, there's sometimesas content creators, we talk and
we say things and then peoplelike.
Take them in a differentdirection than our intention.

(01:31:21):
I don't actually believe thatfree to play players should or
are entitled to being completelycollection complete all the
time.
But I do believe that thisstatement is functionally
correct.
I think that it is important torecognize that if you're playing
a game free to play, that thereare concessions you have to
give.
It's only fair that, um, youknow, you, you do.
Have expectations that maybe youaren't getting every single

(01:31:42):
card.
But I do think that free to playplayers should have a positive
experience in the game.
They're important to the healthof the game.
Absolutely.
Just like whales are importantto the health of the game, the
free to play players are, areimportant as well.
Where I start to disagree withthese types of statements is
where I think that season passowners should feel like they're
getting a legitimate amount ofvalue.
Should a season pass owner beable to remain collection

(01:32:04):
complete.
That's a question that I, I askyou guys.
I, I don't have the answer to.
I ask you.
So someone who buys a seasonpass be able to remain
collection complete.

Cozy (01:32:11):
That's fair.
Is 120 bucks enough a year toget every card if you put your
time into it too.
That's a good discussion pointfor another time.

Alex (01:32:19):
Last question of the week comes from Risen and it says,
fantastic episode.
Thank you guys.
I like Dara, but this reallymade me realize how much I enjoy
Cozy and Alex's small talk aboutkids scratching cars, no pants
in a club, and finally watchingDaredevil, LOL.
Love you guys.

Cozy (01:32:36):
Saw that love that I saw two takes.
I saw that one, and I saw, uh,that it felt like, uh, this one
was more Snap oriented, whichyou come for one, you come for,
uh, you could get, uh, morerandom conversation about suntan
or you could get, uh, dare, youknow, when you have two
streamers, I don't stream thegame guys.
So that's a, that's a, that's anobvious.
Uh, so yeah.
Does Alex and dare play boy withme?

(01:32:57):
That's a, that's a hell yes.
But, uh, so, you know, think youpoison on that one, but I don't
think we've ever to it ourselvesas the two.
Snap lords of knowledge overhere.
Uh, may, maybe, maybe otherthings, but yeah, buddy, it's
always that.
That's, that's what I come for,you know, the desserts, the
snack, but the main course isAlex.

Alex (01:33:14):
Yeah, that's it's the most important part for me.
And, uh, whatever the snapshotevolves into, into the future.
At its core, it's about Cozy andAlex and, uh, obviously the
friendship we've built over theyears, but more importantly, the
fun that we have on the show.
Thanks so much everyone.
We really appreciate you guys,and we'll see you next week on
the Snapchat.

Cozy (01:33:32):
Have a great rest of your day and rest of the Monday, and
we'll see you guys next week.
Have a good one.
Have a great one.
To the next one, happy snapping.

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