Prodigy: Imitation Is Not Always Flattery | Fantastic Four Season First Look | Esme Cuckoo & Surge In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 132 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Cozy Snap (00:00):
What's going on guys?

(00:00):
And welcome back to yet anotherepisode of the Snapchat.
And guys, we've been talkingabout the brand new card
Prodigy, who is gonna be a biton the lackluster side, but to
make up for it, we have a lot ofnew and exciting cards that
probably Alex are gonna change,snap the most that we've seen in
quite some time with theFantastic four in the first
steps and that whole season.
And then you guys said it bypopular demand we're bringing

(00:22):
back the Reddit review.
A lot of you guys liked it andit will be returning.
And as always, I am joined bythe one, the only.
Mr.
Alex Kocha.
What's going on, buddy?

Alexander Coccia (00:31):
Hey, buddy.
I'm doing good.
I'm just trying to get over thefact that you're not wearing
headphones.
You look so different.
Yes.
I don't think I've ever seenyour ears before.

Cozy Snap (00:37):
I've this, I've seen your ears once before.
I've done this on one other.
So Mr.
Alex here is heading to PAX e.
So we are recording pretty earlyand my headphones are dead
because this is, this is how wemake the magic happen.
This is how we ensure we get apodcast each week.
So we found the perfect pocketof time to, to film this and
Alex, you added to ies man.
I tried to talk to staff team,try to make it happen.

(00:59):
It's not gonna happen.
I will not be joining you, butyou excited to hit up the good
old ies.

Yeah, I'm super excited.
I'm really looking forward to,it's great because you, you get
to meet a lot of members of thecommunity as well.
PAX East, there's a huge amountof Snap players there and
obviously you have the PennyArcade card backs.
And Mike from Penny Arcade,their artists has been I think
there's gonna be an album maybeeven next week.
Could be out today or tomorrowwhen this goes live.
So, yeah, like it's actuallypretty awesome.

(01:24):
I'm really looking forward toit.
And I have I actually have sixcommander decks ready?

Cozy Snap (01:28):
Yes.

Three alter decks.
I got so much stuff ready, sofun.
And I don't even know how I'mgonna pack it all.
So

Cozy Snap (01:33):
it's, it's, it's so fun.
Like I I'm super sad I can't gothis year.
Last time I went was all forSnap, so like, it was super busy
anyway, but we still.
Made it happen.
And then like Alex was there andthey're like, Alex, we just
like, we had him I like ran intoyou.
Right.
Quote unquote.
I didn't even see that though.
Where did they even post that?
I don't even think I ever sawit.

I don't think they used all the footage we
had.
'cause Yeah, it was, it was youand Felicity were there on Snap
Business and I happened to bethere anyway.
'cause I'm just a huge PACS fan.
I've always been a point Pennyarcade guy.
And so then at the time infiniteVeritas was like, you know,
let's get Alex into some ofthese.
Like, see, he's here.
Why not?
Like, get him into some ofthese.
And so we did some really funstuff together.
I, I really remember that.
It was hilarious.

(02:12):
And I look for what it's worth.
Cozy is by far the best, likedude on the street.
Interviewer, you have thisconfidence about you'll walk up,
go to anyone to, anyway, you'llwalk up to someone's grandmother
and ask them who their favoriteSnap card is, right?
It's.
It's completely wild how likeyou're actually perfect walking
around with a microphone.
There's literally no one as goodas Cozy Snap.

Cozy Snap (02:32):
Well, dude, I, first of all, thank you.
I so before Snap, and a lot ofpeople know this, in fact,
somebody on a rivals video, likeone that was like, went off on
views, but someone was like, I.
Dude, didn't you do?
No.
You've come a, a long way sincedoing Mario Kart with strangers
and I think like that's I thinkI've always said this, but in
consecration streaming is the,the hardest medium to do.

(02:53):
It's very hard to constantly beon your feet.
I.
And, and talking, right, becauseyou're, you don't have a
recording.
And it trained me best to be acontent creator, but what I used
to wanna do is, like, streamingfrom my studio wasn't enough.
So I would go out and just like,turn on a live feed and then I
would just get, yeah, randompeople ran a hobo versus a, you
know, a, a guy in the militaryand I would have them play off

(03:14):
in Mario Kart and just randominteractions and that I feel
like taught me.
More than anything.
Like you have to get socomfortable with yourself and,
and then find a perfect balanceof not being annoying.
'cause I feel like in this day,you know, everyone has a, a
phone and everyone has a deviceto film now.
And so like, there's more andmore like annoying people than
there are, like, fun almost inmy, in my eyes.

(03:36):
But I always think it's the mostenjoyable content to film
because you don't know whatyou're gonna get and like your
assets, the things in your videoare random people that could do
anything.
I think it's just, it's a, it'sa killer time.

I think one of the benefits you have too is
you're not like some teenage kidpranking people and acting like
a clown.
You know, you got some, youknow, young stud muffin walking
up to you with a microphoneasking you about Mario Carr.
You're like, yeah, I'll talk tothis guy about Mario Carr.
Why wouldn't I?
Right.
He's wearing, he's wearingrunning shoes on the beach, but
I'll forgive it'cause he is anabsolute stud muffin.

Cozy Snap (04:05):
I'll have to bring it back.
I don't know.
I used to have my pregnant wifebe, be the one that would like
lug out the equipment with me,like just a different.
Different era, man.
A different time, different era.
But yeah, I'm super sad to Misspacs, especially'cause of how
much more I've dipped into magictoo.
So just like wanting to playwith you, wanting to hang out
and, and also just kind of likecheck out the floor more again.
Last time I was so busy, butyeah, you know, times have,

(04:26):
times have changed a lot ofpeople.
I would say since I, since thebeginning of snap, anyone that I
communicated with outside ofGlen, who was a little bit
later, I don't, they're eithernot there anymore actually.
They're pretty much not thereanymore.
Like a lot of the team has.
Either moved on and doingsomething else, or they're gone.
One of the two.
And it's sad, it's like weirdthat you see this transition.
Like I was watching the otherday this 20 year documentary on

(04:50):
oblivion and they went back andwatched it.
The same people that createdthat game and they were all in
the same room.
I.
And like one of the number onecomments was like, how rare it
is for any company to keep pesomebody for 20 years yet alone
a video game publisher and orpeople within the realm of who
makes video games.
So I think it's really specialthat they can do that Bethesda.
But yeah, sadly I think my daysof doing some of the marketing

(05:13):
stuff for Snap are over, but whoknows?
We'll, we'll, we'll see.

Listen, at the end of the day, you're by far
one of the most talented peoplein the Snap ecosystem.
And and yeah, even if they're alittle salty about your absolute
insane rival success, that justincreases your reach, it
increases your capabilities, inmy opinion, to bring more brand
exposure to them.
So I see absolutely no reasonwhy Cozy Snap should not be
getting call number one, anytimethere's an event for Snap Buddy,

(05:37):
like, honestly, you're still theking.

Cozy Snap (05:39):
I'll do it for free too, man.
I just wanna first of think Ilove you.
I.
I just wanna do it'cause it'sfun.
Like, I think it's just fun todo.
I think it's just a very like,half the stuff that I've done
for them was free because I justthought it was cool to do.
Right.
Like, it's just a, it is a coolopportunity to do, you know, I
don't know.
I'm living the dream man.
I'm talking about video games,like for a job.
Yeah, I know.
So, and I think

about that too because like like when we did
the Deadpools Diner castingtogether, that was a highlight
of my career.
Like I had so much.
On.
I really do hope that not onlymyself, but together we get an
opportunity to do some stuff inthe future for Snap because
Yeah, man, for sure.
I don't know, man.
I think, I think that we justmight have a history and be able
to kind of riff off each other alittle bit.
So small bit.
I think it might be goodcontent.

Cozy Snap (06:19):
Small bit, man.
Well, speaking of, dude, let'sgo and jump into today's
Snapchat.
So we're gonna talk aboutProdigy, probably not that much.
But we're also gonna be talkingabout fantastic Four, which this
was the first time.
So I put together some customart with them quickly.
So the art you're gonna seetoday is not the ones that are
gonna be there, but this is thefirst time I'm seeing the carts
at all.
Have you seen them at all?
Do you know anything about'em?

No.
I don't even know.
They got they got leaked.
That's even exactly, becauselast time I looked they were
just, they were placeholders,but with no tag.
So I, yeah.
You're hitting me for the firsttime here.
Heck

Cozy Snap (06:45):
yeah, dude.
That's what I, I like whenever Isaw, I'm like, cool.
I'm not even gonna think about,I'm wanna do it with Alex for
the first time.
But Alex, we know what we'retalking about over here.
What are we talking about onyour side of the Snapchat?

Cozy.
On my side of the Snapchat,we're gonna be discussing both
Surge and Esme.
In review, we're gonna betalking about our first
impressions of the card and howit's performing in the general
first few days of Marvel Snap.
We're also be talking about thehot and rising cards, the cards
that are really starting toemerge in the meta, the surprise
shakers and movers.
And then as always, our Snapchatmailbag.

Cozy Snap (07:15):
Well, bud, let's get right to it.
Let's talk about Prodigy.
The three costs, four powercard, and I'm still convinced
you need to upgrade to theseshades, man.
I mean, just look at the Drip.
You would be the coolest kid.
The coolest teacher at theschool.
With those.
With those, they don't evenhave, I don't even know how
they're on his head.
They don't even have like it'sjust all lens.
They're just

floating on his face,

Cozy Snap (07:34):
kind of.
They're hugging his nose.
Yeah.
A very tight grip there.
The future man, that, thatforget superpowers.
I wanna know,

bro.
So future, I know that like,augmenting people is like kind
of popular, like the day OFXtype thing.
You put a magnet on your, inyour face, and then you put a
magnet on the glasses.
So they just like, and they juststick to your face.
You don't even need the Yeah.
Man ear things

Cozy Snap (07:56):
like wifi in your shoes, you know, kind of thing.
Like connected.
The shoes don't work unlessthey're on the wifi and like,
yeah.
Yeah.
I All, these are great ideas.
We just need to pitch them toApple and make it happen.
Like I think.
I think we could get it done.
But hey, listen on Reveal, ifthis is in the back row, copy
the text of the card in front ofit.
Alex, it's the three cost.
It's a four power.
And last time, we just rated himlast week and we both weren't

(08:17):
very high up on the card for alot of reasons.
And mainly that there's just somuch kind of going against them.
We played with the back andfront row mechanic and you've
got that, but then you alsohave, you know, just timing and
things you can't control andlocations that can change.
And there's so many differentthings that can happen.
Not to mention car draw youknow, being one of the biggest
ones in playing out.

(08:39):
So where did you change yourmind at all on Prodigy?
Within a week?
Kind of where do you land on himright now?

So I really wanted to move up to at least a
two and a half.
I don't think I can do it.
I think I still have to stay ata two star because we did get
some confirmation and it's funnyhow things work sometimes.
Like we record these earlyenough where sometimes we don't
have confirmation of everythingfrom the SNAP team.
Like you know, like the Esmeinteraction for instance.
And last week on how it copiesthe three drop.
We weren't sure if it workedwith surfer that ended up.
Proving false.

(09:06):
And in the case of Prodigy,something that was clarified,
which is definitely a benefit,is that Prodigy, if it copies an
on reveal card, it will reprothe on reveal.
So if somehow, you know, there'sa Dr.
Doom, I'm just throwing Dr.
Doom out there, but Dr.
Doom somehow is in the two slot.
And you play Prodigy on the fourslot, you will get additional
dune bots.

(09:26):
That was clarified by the SNAPteam and that does increase his
capabilities.
And so I'm like, okay, do I movehim up to two and a half?
And then I continued to thinkabout the cart and I just, I
just don't feel it.
And I kind of wanna be wrong'cause I think this card could
potentially be fun.
But I, I don't know if it'sconsistent or reliable enough
to, to really be worth the theinvestment.

Cozy Snap (09:45):
Yeah.
I do think a little bit of itis, and, and I hate to say it's
like, because here's the thing Iwas gonna say, like, getting our
hands on the card because, butthe problem, is what I just
said.
It's not about where we think itcould fit and finding the best
case scenarios for the cart.
It's the actual scenarios thathappen, right?
So what you just said is a greatexample.
It's like, oh yeah, you know,you could have really great
honor reveal stuff going on withit, but at the same time.

(10:08):
Those working out aren't gonnahappen all the time.
This is what I will say about'em.
And I agree, probably on a twostar for now.
I'm gonna give'em a two, but I'mgonna give'em a good future
because I think that especiallywhat, what we're gonna talk
about with the Fantastic Fourtoday, like, there's constantly
new archetypes, there'sconstantly new cards coming out,
that copying an effect,especially at a, like a low cost
effect, can greatly increaseyour chance to win a game.

(10:30):
And most importantly.
Where he's gonna fit the most isboard wide effects, right?
So if we get more of these boardwide decks, which we're kind of
getting with the Fantastic four,we've seen this in the past, we,
we've seen this with PatriotZoo, whatever living Tribunal,
some of his synergy we're gonnago into, that's where he's gonna
shine the most because itdoesn't matter as much of the

(10:51):
randomness and what's beingplayed.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think that he has thatgoing through him, and that is
one thing that if you do pullhim from the snap pack, it's
like, okay.
I think there will be places forhim in the future, even if it
doesn't land like right away.

I, I do agree.
Now I, I'm not familiar withwhat the Fantastic Four will
look like, but I think the keything that really took me off
Prodigy was we saw it with withCaptain Marvel, or not Captain
Marvel, captain Carter.
Where is the positioning, likethe positioning, macro
considerations of the boardstate?
Are impactful in snap.
Like, and so, you know, youmight have a situation where

(11:27):
like he is the first card thathas to go in a location and he's
basically a like nude three,four, which kind of sucks,
right?
And I thought about like, well,if I want to double in effect,
like I could use Fuga and I meanthat's a, that's a bit different
of course.
'cause you're replaying thecard.
You also have doubling theeffect of moonstone.
And on that note, I do thinkthat like.
Copying Moonstone actually isprobably one of the coolest

(11:48):
things that he can do.
'cause you get the power and youalso get the double, it feels
like a three four onslaught whenyou use it on moonstone to some
degree.
Right.
Which I think is kind of cool.
But yeah, like it's, I have somenotes and I have some ideas, but
like, I, I just don't, I just donot see this card being that
impactful on launch.
Well, and that's so maybe in thefuture,

Cozy Snap (12:07):
and that's kind of what I meant by like like, I
don't know how many scenarioswhere he has to be the first
card down.
But if it's board wide, it won'tmatter.
So like, we like'em a little bitin Living Tribunal because it
matters, but it doesn't, like,you know, you do need to have'em
in the back row and tribunal's abit more of a tight knit one.
But I think as we continue toget cards that can boost again
everything around it.

(12:27):
Is that,'cause like I think youmentioned in Patriot last week,
like that was a, a semi exampleof it where it's like, okay,
blue Marvel or Patriot.
Could work because you're reallylike old trons, really the
finishing game plan anyway,right?
Or whatever.
Right?
So it's not that big of a dealwhere you're placing things,
what you're doing all the time.
I mean, he, he won't ever be afive star card.
There's just no shot of thathappening.
But I do think that he has a bitmore of a future.

(12:49):
He can go up, you know, evenpotentially a four star card if
we get the right deck for him.
But right now, that deck, itjust doesn't exist outside of
living tribunal, outside ofPatriot.
Like where are you gonna testhim day one.

So I have a couple ideas, and they're a bit
cop, but let's get through themnow.
The first thing I'll say is thatone thing that really kept me
down is I think that withProdigy, it's, he's very hard to
play on curve because unlessyou're filling locations one,
two, and then on three Prodigycomes down, how is he in the
third or fourth slot?
And if you consider, if you'replaying on curve, it's most

(13:22):
likely that even if you'replaying on curve, you're copying
the one slot, right?
Like the the ant.
So you play Ant-Man, Goliath,prodigy.
Prodigy goes behind the Amman,so you can't target the two
costs.
So the whole thing, curve wise,is a nightmare, I think.
So that's one thing worthconsidering.
So that brings me down.
I tried to do a little bit oflike, okay, how can we get a
little creative here?

(13:43):
I think that he has thepotential in a Doom 2099 deck to
perhaps be impactful because youcould copy say the Doom Bots
themselves and.
Buff the Doom Bots.
You could potentially copy Doom2099 and only play singular
cards and now you're gettingmore bots out faster as a

(14:03):
quicker zoo.
But then again, the curve isweird'cause you, you'd zobo into
Doom 2099 into Prodigy.
How do you target the doom 2099?
Like, what's it look like?
How are you playing in thoselanes?
So the macro side is soincredibly hard.
Then I was like, what if youtried something like Iron Fist?
Now this, you wanna talk aboutcope.

(14:24):
What if you had like somethinglike, I don't know, a Captain
Carter down and you play Prodigyonto the Captain Carter and you
iron fist into another lane?
You could use the iron fist toblock one of the spots in the
front to force it to land.
On the three or four spot in thelocation, right?
So you can use, that's such cop.

(14:45):
I love it though.
Like that's so work.
I know it's so cope, but you canuse iron fist to force him to
hit a specific cart and thenmove into another location.

Cozy Snap (14:52):
Can I ask this though, outta three five?
Is he good?
Because at this point then it'sless about making him work for
what his niche is and more aboutjust having value that then can
turn into good play.
Right?
So like, I don't know, forexample, if you have Thanos
like.
Is it the worst thing in theworld to play two stones and
then you have him copy thestone, draw a card, three, five,
he has, you know what I mean?
Like at that point you're justgetting value that can transcend

(15:16):
that value.
Is that kind of what you thinkcould work for him?

I mean, I, I'm not sure.
Like, I just, does that makesense?
Like it's not, he seems soawkward.
Like so here's a question foryou and it came up when you
brought it up.
So let's say he's a three five.
Why did they decide to make hima three four?
What was it that Glen saw thebalance team saw that said,
okay, oh three five, man, that'stoo high for this guy.
This guy could this thing, maybethe upside this thing, I don't
see it, dude, this could be athree six and like, I think Luna

(15:42):
knows better.

Cozy Snap (15:44):
I, I just think that there are, there are play lines
that you'll be able to get downthat you're gonna be able to use
it to its effect enough.
The, I mean, I think we canagree that it's, it's like
Captain Carter.
It's not the it's not so much.
Power.
It's the cost, like it's theawkwardness of the cost because
he is gonna be a three cost thatyou play later.
You're not gonna play him oncurve like that.

(16:05):
That's the most likely scenariofor him.
And so that's what makes ittough of where you're gonna end
up having to play him.
It, to me, he, he does screamlike, you know how Tron we
looked at him and it was prettyclear and obvious.
Infinity.
The Ultron was a, was a funcard.
I think this is like when youget these cards, like almost
like what Fastest was where it'slike these fun cards.

(16:27):
That are never good, but they'renot all the way fun and they're
not all the way good.
So they're in this like awkwardspot of neither.
Does that make sense?
Like, you know, pixie, at leastit's like, okay, you, you're a
lot on the fun side at leastit's not that great, but at
least it's like a good time.
Like you're, you're doing somecrazy stuff.
This kind of goes in the, theother camp of, of neither, and
sometimes the, the cards thatare just good speed is not fun

(16:48):
at all.
And so I feel like this is onethat's in the middle.

You're right.
And I just, I don't see the drawhere.
And even here's a key thing.
We're talking about a three costand not talking about a surfer.
'cause you can't reliably hiteven a forge, right?
Like, what do you hit?

Cozy Snap (17:04):
cause I thought about surfer.
Are you ready for this?
It's like, oh, brood.
He could redo one reveals, nope.
Brood perfectly.
Puts it behind the other brood.
So it doesn't like the broodlinks.
So he can never hit brood inthat scenario.
I guess Sebastian Shaw you couldhit and then surfer him and get
some value there.
But then why?
Why are you doing that?
What do you need that for?
You know?

And even then, I often use Sebastian Shaws,
like almost a single lanewinner, right?
So he would have to be in likethe one slot you have to, like,
you have to play him behindSebastian Shaw still.
And I think that the re thereliability of setting him up so
you can get a consistent effecton project is gonna be too hard.
Like, I don't know man, I'm, I'mnot sold on the card, but, i,
I'd like to be surprised fromtime to time.

Cozy Snap (17:41):
So what I did is I typed it on the comments of our
last video, the, the termprodigy.
And usually we get people thatare like, well, have you thought
about this?
And there's really not, there'sreally not a lot.
I mean, there, there's somepeople saying tribunal, you're
gonna get a lot of that.
For project, I think it's gonnabe magic before turn five, turn
five, five's Ironman on freelane turns stick is mystique and
prodigy on that lane.

(18:03):
That's some that.
That that's a hard Yeah, becausehere's the thing, I think it's
easy.
It's easy to make him seem good.
It's just the reality of ithappening.
And we fell into that withcaptive Cardi essentially.
Right.
Prodigy and the ancient one havetoo much overlap.
Yeah.
So no one like, you know what Imean?
Typically we get like, whoa,what about this?

(18:26):
Really didn't see any of thatwith Prodigy.
So we'll have to see where hefits in.
I do think maybe he has apotential in the future.
To get better over time.
Anytime we have these cars thatdo this, you know, can happen.
But I, I personally think athree five could make'em
interesting.

Could make'em interesting.
We'll have to see what happens.
But yeah, at three, four, Idon't know if you buy this on
day one, you're either, you havesome God to your plan that no
one else does, or you're fullmowing hard.
Like, I think this is anultimate wait and see card.
Ultimately,

Cozy Snap (18:52):
what the good news is, is that it's the, the,
again, the cards after'em aren'tlike must have.
And so.
At the end of the day, it's,it's not gonna be, you're not
gonna be in stitches if you, ifyou know, if you double up your
odds and get him.
But what I did do is I took, soright now, the, the fantastic
four first steps, we've talkedabout this before.
We're going to our next subjecthere.
Anything you wanna close out onhim by the way, or are you good?

(19:14):
I.

No, I'm ready to go.
I, I, I, I, every time I talknegatively about a card, I, I,
for the record, I want to beproven wrong.
Like I want to, I want Prodigyto be successful.
Why?
Because there's gonna be peoplethat get it.
He's also gonna be entering theseasonal spotlight.
S spotlights, the, the Snaphacks.
He's entering the seasonal SnapHacks.
We don't want landmines, everysingle card that gets pulled, we

(19:36):
want it to have at least a homesomewhere.
Right?
And I think that Prodigy feelslike it's probably gonna have a
home nowhere.
And I think that's unfortunate.

Cozy Snap (19:44):
Moving on.
We don't know.
The art again, is just what Iput together.
This is not official, but wehave the fantastic four first
steps be beautiful.
Yeah, this is cool.
So a couple things.
First of all I just seeThunderbolts.
I said before, last time Chadwas gonna go see it.
It was really good.
I think.
I think it was I to say it wasthe best since end game.
I don't know if I agree withthat statement.
That's what what I heard.
I think the, the newer Spidermanis probably better.

(20:07):
No way home.
And I like Shung Chi a lot.
I think those were tough to beatfor me but it was very strong
and, and very solid and has meexcited.
And our next few mo movies areinsane.
We have this one, Vince askedthe four first steps, July.
And then we have the Both TheAvengers.
So super exciting to see that.
But this is gonna be not thestart, but the continuation, if
you will, of them repurposingcharacters and somewhat of a

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divided front.
Some people love it, that we'regonna be able to see characters
be good again.
Some would rather, I think, in agame.
I, I totally agree with this.
The only thing is they're sogood at OTAs that it makes me
sad for the cards.
That, that, that they're, thatthey already are, right?
Like invisible women is not useda lot.
So how could you repurpose thatinstead of making a new one?
But that's not the conversationwe're gonna have so much today.

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Unless you want to add to thatbefore we jump in.

No, it's just Goliath chemo and that's why
Invisible Woman feels useless.

Cozy Snap (20:57):
Yeah, that's fair enough.
Well, dude, okay, so usually,man, it is a big statement.
This will change Snap.
And I say that really withoutany hesitation because these are
some really cool cars, and Idon't know about you, but I
would go and see let's say RogueOne when it came out and I saw
the last scene with Darth Vaderjust going crazy.
And I would think to myself,man, I need to play a video game
with Darth Vader.

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Like, I need to get in theworld.
Of it.
And so they're very smart here.
Obviously even tested four isgonna do well and they're gonna
probably, you know, want tomake.
These cards good.
So that if people wanna comeplay snap, they're, they're
playing with some solid cardsthat don't need other cards
around them.
And, and these are gonna workall together as a family
obviously as the Fantastic Fouris.
But then they also have a lot ofsynergy around them, so pretty

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exciting stuff.
So we have Reed Richards, Mr.
Fantastic.
First up here.
And his, he is a two three.
Alex, with the ability, end ofturn, give a card in your hand,
plus two power or minus onecost.
So at the end of the turn, he'sgonna do this each and every
time.
Call me crazy, but is this notabsolutely busted?

(22:00):
On most fronts, this seems likean a just a card that's gonna go
everywhere.

So basically FAOs and shambles is what this
is

Cozy Snap (22:07):
complete shambles, but like, this is, we talked
about it last week, the two dropof the, of the month or the two
drop of the, of the quarter thatcomes out and just like Reign
Supreme.
This seems way I could see this,mark this.
Now I could see this where the,the month is September, two
months after this car isreleased and it goes down to
plus one power or minus one costinstead of plus two power.

Or it's a two, one or something.
Listen, I, I think this card'sreally good.
I think it's good.
I have some hesitation withthis, this or type statement.
It's one of the frustrationswith Faso.
I literally played like 12 hoursof faso's over the last two
days.
And not having a consistenteffect is kind of annoying
because sometimes you reallywant that, that discount, and
then other times you really wantthat power and you, you can't

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pick and choose.
And so what's an early start?
And

Cozy Snap (22:54):
you would give it.

Oh man, early.
If I had to right now, I wouldprobably give it like a three
and a half to four.

Cozy Snap (22:59):
I think it's a five star card.
Maybe

four.
I think it's a five star.
You think this is five star?
I do.

Cozy Snap (23:03):
I don't

know, man.

Cozy Snap (23:03):
Because listen, dude, no matter which way you go
playing him on curve, thinkabout the either or.
He just doesn't matter.
He's a two five.
Okay?
He's a two seven.
Okay.
He's a two nine, he's a two 11.
You have that possibility, or heis a two five with a minus three
cost, or he's a nothing and hejust gives you minus four cost,
right?
So I feel like.
It won't matter on the either orbecause you're just getting so

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much net value and you can havethe cards go below, go to free
too.
So you're getting cards that canbe played for cheaper.
That's always good.
Or you're just getting pluspossibly four power.
Now I get it.
If you play'em later, it's notas good.
But I, him being a two three iswhat's crazy to me.

Yeah, no, he's probably definitely a solid four
now that I think about a threeand a half might be low.
I was just thinking about thefact that, he has a, he hasn't
like, activate feels slowsometimes.
This is obviously not activate,but it has a slowness to it
where it's like, it's a two,three, it's two to the hand,
right?
Not, and you have to still playthat card down.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
So he's not generating the poweron the board.

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But here's the thing, cozy, andthis is where it has the five
star potential.
It's like.
You hit the plus two on a nimrodright on turn two, and then you
turn, and then all of a suddennow you hit it with the negative
one pa cost.
It's like, okay, now I have a,you know, four whatever Nimrod
that keeps getting buffed.
Yep.
And maybe you make somethingmagical happen with some sort of
like extra value play, right?

(24:23):
Yeah.
And every single most powerfulcombo in SNAP gets more powerful
at reduced cost.
So like I do definitely see thepotential here for sure.
And let me just say, you shouldbe doing the artwork because
this is beautiful.

Cozy Snap (24:34):
It's kind of cool.
I I mean I found this, it wasn'tyou know, wasn't, I don't even
drop and the rest of'em are wayworse.
It's just me getting stuff inthe for the trailer.
But let me, let me say this.
I if you think this is brokennow, just wait till we just
wait.
'cause I told you the familysynergizes, right?
So this is a season pass card.
I believe it's archetype, likeit could go into any archetype,
which is really cool too.
I think this thing can truly gointo most x like outside of

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like.
Ones that, oh, for sure.
Like that's, that's one thingthat's just crazy about it.
Even like I hear that we bringup surfer all the time, but even
surfer, even just power hungrydecks like a surfer, it just
doesn't matter.
Like this thing always has itsvalue in some way or another.
And that excites me.
Guys, I want you to keep inmind, end of turn is what this
guy says, and then you're gonnasee shortly.

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Now this one, I'm gonna gostraight to this one because I
think this is gonna paint thepicture for the rest that we're
gonna talk about and you'regonna.
You are gonna start to the, thewheels are gonna start turning
pretty quickly here before weget to the rest of'em.
Invisible woman first steps atthree four.
Alex Activate.
Okay, hold on.
This turn your end of turn.
Abilities happen twice.

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Alright, so this is gonna be thecar that sets us up for the
other ones.
But let's just start with ReadRichards Mr.
Fantastic.
So now at any given turn aftertune three, you're gonna have
that ability happen twice, whichis, which is awesome.
Now I'm pretty hesitant againstactivate abilities that are
higher in costs.
But that's pretty exciting.
Just fourth of fantastic fourcards.
But my god, Alex, if you thinkabout how many hat cards in the

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game have end of turn abilities,you're, your mind's gonna start
spinning.

I was just thinking like, I'm trying to
remember the exact text readyfor this.
Like a lot of the EVO cards?
Yep.
Yeah.
So one of the Evo cards, right?

Cozy Snap (26:10):
Yep.
Almost.
So I think this will be thereturn of hi Evo to the, to the
fullest degree, because there's.
Keep in mind, it's only oneturn.
This is happening.
But how crazy you can get this,you know, to, to pop off.
So here's some of our, here'ssome of our cars.
We have Bruce Spanner.
That essentially is gonna havenow a 66% chance on one.
I guess, I don't know.

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The statistics may not work out,but you, you've got, you've got
that happening.
You roll

33 twice.
Yeah.

Cozy Snap (26:35):
Yeah.
You're having 33 twice, right?
So you've got that.
Oh, and then how about MarvelBoy?
Marvel Boy, that's such a crazyeffect, bro.

I never even realized Marvel Boy had that
cast,

Cozy Snap (26:48):
bro.
How stupid is this card that's,this is a really, like, I think
you'll see, but I think thatthere's this zoo deck that can
work with Marvel boy, invisibleWoman, Reed Richards, that start
to really cook.
It starts to really make sensethat you're like, hold on,
because then re remaking a card,either free or giving power to a
one cost.
You're like, whoa, whoa.

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And it continues to go crazy,bro.
I'm not finished though.
Check.
Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
You're not finished.
Okay.
I was gonna

say, like, I was just thinking that like.
First of all, you, you got mecompletely pumped now because
the Marble boy had notconsidered, now I'm trying to
think about that.
But even sticking with HighEvil, like even an extra P Pro
in like something like a Hulk,that's a lot.
It's like that's four extrapower at the end of a turn,

Cozy Snap (27:29):
bro.
It keeps getting crazier.
Like even sunspot like.
I don't know how that wouldwork, but you would have it
essentially in the high Evodeck.
So that would work.
Yeah.
Hey, guess what?
End of turn.
Oh, red Hulk p cracking twice.
You could have that happen ifyou do it at the very end of the
game, which you'd probably wantto.
A lot of these, unless you'rejust trying to get like more
value with Reed or whatever,you're gonna wanna just pop'em

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all at the end.
And then yeah, you've got andsomething's aren't even turning
up the right way'cause I'mpretty sure we have Misty Knight
is in here.
I dunno why she's a show.
Yeah.
Misty

Knight would be for sure.

Cozy Snap (27:59):
You have Wasp, you have Misty Knight Giving Plus
one Power for all Unspentenergy.
You have Cyclops doing the minusone Power and those are the main
ones, but also you have the Hulkas well.
All of these can re-trigger.
So this is not only a good VOcard, it's a good Marvel Boy Zoo
card and it's a good Mr.
Fantastic card.
I think this is going to becrazy when it comes to synergy.

Yeah, a lot of pew pews coming outta that
cyclops there.
Yeah, this is pretty cool.
I, I do share the concern withthe Activate side, but in this
case, I wonder if activatesbetter than on Reveal, because
if you're on revealing, youdon't have as many on the board.
Whereas with Activate, as yousaid, you, you hold it to the
end and then like you basicallydo the thing and then, then you
do the activate and then theHulk is gonna double and then

(28:45):
like.
Pew pew's everywhere and MistyNight's gonna throw it twice and
stuff.

Cozy Snap (28:48):
That's what I'm thinking.
It's like, okay.
Even if you play her late, youknow, let, let's say you play
her on four.
Okay.
You could still play some of theactivates at a one cost, right?
Or you do her in a one cost,let's say her and Misty night,
it's still gonna be great goinginto the last turn.
Really the only time and, andit's in turn, and so it's like,
yeah, you're wanting to havemore on the board.
I would say most of the time.
You're gonna wanna do thiseither on, mostly always on turn

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six, I would imagine, just forthat last little bump up, but
it's gonna always hit the valueat three four, in my opinion.

So, and I think it's gonna likely be
played on four, because if youthink about it, Cyclops three,
this on four, you're floatingenergy, right?
Cyclops piece or more a warrior.

Cozy Snap (29:24):
Yeah.
There's, there's a lot of,there's a lot of three costs.
I contend for this and this, sothis was a little bit of my
board wide effect that I wasthinking with Prodigy.
I'm not saying that this wouldbe the Prodigy card, but like
when stuff like this happens,you're getting more and more
cards where it's like, oh,product, you could just copy
that card, that's gonna be justfine.
Yeah.
And then you're gonna get the,you know what I mean?
And so it doesn't matter whereyou play in because.
Marvel Boy is gonna be giving,Marvel Boy is gonna go up to an

(29:45):
insane value card with somethinglike this.
And as you continue to readthese, just wait because you're
gonna go, oh, okay.
Zoo does make a lot more sense,but yeah.
So you've got Mr.
Fantastic.
End of turn card.
You've got this card as anactivate.
Next card, we've got up.
Let's go to, oh, this one's fun.
The thing.
Alright, so the thing here is afive six into turn.

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This one's tough to even likeprocess plus two power.
Okay, so in turn, things getgain plus two power.
So at minimum he's a five 10once per game.
If your site is full, destroy anenemy card here with lesser
power.
So if you fill your site up AKAwith a zoo deck, but if you fill
your site up, he will destroy anenemy card with lower power.

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This guy can get up to a five10.
But with Mr.
Fantastic making him cheaper,you could get even further than
that.
But on top of that, you alsohave wait for Sue Storm you know
invisible woman to give him evenmore power, thus making his
power threshold higher.
So you can give rid of techcards or just big powerful
beasts with this guy.

This is pretty neat.
And actually, for what it'sworth in the trailer, he's by
far my favorite character in it.
Yeah.
I dunno if that's consistent,but he looks so awesome in it.
But but no, this actually looksreally interesting.
It has, the Spider-Man 2099 feelto it, but it doesn't have to
move.
And it actually I.
I wonder if the activation'seasier or harder filling the
location on a deck like that.
I'm just trying to think.
Power-wise, it's particularlyinteresting.

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I like the design.
It definitely reads like amagic.
The gathering card though.

Cozy Snap (31:11):
Yeah.
Oh, some of these are going toyou trust me.
I, so that's why I think in a.
In a zoo style deck, you canfill your, your location up
pretty easily.
How much do you actually want toutilize that and, you know,
destroy the other side?
Like are you gonna want to orneed to do that?
Either way though.
I just think it's crazy that youhave a minimum with invisible
women of five 12, but you can goright, so you're five 10 or five

(31:33):
12, so right then there power'skind of crazy.

Yeah, I actually, I like it.
And once you start to considerthe potential synergy in zoo
with Marvel Boy, invisibleWoman, and et cetera, this
actually does look pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
I like the design.
It's a really interestingdesign.

Cozy Snap (31:48):
So we've got the thing what would you give him at
a what would you give invisibleWoman and what would you give
the thing on a star basis?

These, these rankings are so hard'cause I
like really dwell on therankings for a long time.
They all seem particularlystrong.
Invisible woman feels like forme, like probably a four and a
half just because I'm that hypedup.
I have a concern with the costand a concern with the slow
slowness of the activateability.
But this might be a circumstancewhere the invisible woman Activ
ability is actually a superpower'cause of the end of turn

(32:15):
functionality of it.
Ben here his name's Ben, right?
Yeah.
And grim Good.
Yeah, that's right.
I, I would probably go four.
I think that Invisible women'sbetter.

Cozy Snap (32:27):
Yeah.
To me, I feel like the,obviously the season pass card
is the one you want, but thenInvisible Women is like the one
of the month because that's theactivate or that's the, the
archetype anchor kind of.
I mean, essentially like that'sthe car.
Like you don't have to havethese, these are all gonna make
her better, and they do that onpurpose to probably sell more.
Right.
But like she can fit in alreadydesigned decks.

(32:49):
And what's really cool is movingforward, end of turn, now can be
a key word we're looking out forbecause you have that huge
synergy.

I will say that Mr.
Fantastic feels like a greatseason pass card because even if
you're not collection completand you're not midmaxing decks,
he could probably kind of goeverywhere.
Like really?
Isn't he just a great two dropfor anybody just to buy in?
It's a

Cozy Snap (33:08):
crazy two drop, fill a spot

with.
Yeah, he's a crazy two

Cozy Snap (33:10):
drop.
I'd actually be surprised if hecomes out at two 30, but I think
they will.
I don't think he'll be a two.
Two doesn't have a seasoned passcard brokenness to it.
Right?
Doesn't, doesn't feel the, the,the same.
I would agree probably with yourrankings.
I do think the thing is reallygood though.
I think we're undermining howstrong this guy can get.
Human torch.
A three, two human torch, end ofturn.
Plus one power once per once pergame.

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If your side is here, is fulldouble this card's power
instead.
So you've got a three cost.
This one is.
I like the thing way better thanthis one.
'cause this one, you have a lotof things going.
You gotta have to kind of dealwith it to make it go crazy.
So like if you played on 3, 3,3, 4, you know, it's a 4, 4, 4,

(33:55):
5, 4.
So you get it.
You could get it technically toa three 12.
A three 12.
Technically,

I, I think he's interesting, but like if
you think about the powerpotential of the original human
torch, I think it's higher thanthis.
So this might be the weakest ofthe bunch.

Cozy Snap (34:09):
Yeah, so this is the way I'm thinking.
It's like the way I'm readingall these, you just absolutely
are gonna wanna play it withLowcost cards because if you,
let's say you have a zoo deck,these are starting to step on
each other's toes.
Like if you have more of a boyat three costs, oh, you have
invisible woman at three.
Okay?
Then you have him at three.
It's like, how are you gonnamake all these work?
And a lot of that engine, Ithink a lot of the wind

(34:32):
conditions will come through Mr.
Fantastic.
By reducing that cost, but asyou said, can't guarantee the
reduction of cost.
So then it's like, how are theseworking?
Now keep in mind, Mr.
VAAs gives plus two power, sothen it makes him almost a win
con.
That's the thing.
If you do fill a location withlike ones, he can finish it off
as like a dude.
This guy could get to crazy.
PI, I think this one we'resleeping on a tad because think

(34:54):
about right now with Surge andlike Scarlet Spider Deck.
Some of the stuff we're seeingright now, he does kind of fit
into that.
Kind of find these, these, thesearchetypes that are giving
power.

Yeah, you're right.
And the other thing I'm thinkingabout is that like.
Maybe just maybe like, whatabout like Elsa and Kitty Pride?
Like Elsa, you're fillinglocations.
You use Elsa to play'em in, givethem the Elsa buff, then double
the power after the end of theturn.
I think there's some potentialthere.
Early thinking here, I don'thave anything concrete to say,
but I was thinking about likewhat Elsa Bloodstone is another

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card that wants to filllocations, right?

Cozy Snap (35:30):
Yep.
You could do that.
You could go kaho.
You could go galata.
Like there's, there's a lot ofways to give this guy power,
fill up that location, and thenall of a sudden he goes from
this three six to bam, three 12wins a game, or three eight,
bam, he's 16.
So even though he can't go ashigh as human torch on a move
deck, I think he's almost easierto, he's not almost, he's
definitely easier to slot intomore decks.
And he's kind of an independentcar compared to others.

What about Tron?
Because Tron fills locations,right?
So like.
The thing in this card here, youcan more or less play them on
curve with Ultron.

Cozy Snap (36:02):
That's kind of cool.
That's actually kinda wild.
Yeah.
You could get that thing goingwa this.
It's really awesome because Ithink that they want these cars
to be good and I think most ofthese, like we've talked about
how many scenes seasons are kindof looking a little, a little
suspect, but this season itcompletely looks strong, you
know, across the board.

I agree.
I like, I hadn't seen thesebefore and so talking through
them with you now is it'sactually got me a little bit
excited and I hope they do itright with like the, the
branding of the Fantastic fourfirst steps and stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I hope that like the cards aredistinct enough.
It's also worth noting that,it's kind of, this is kind of a
random thought, but I think it'skind of sad that even if like

(36:41):
Marvel Snap gets people to comein with like, oh, it's the
fantastic first step season, getinto Snap and then people come,
but they can't play with thecards.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it almost would feel like thenew, the new user experience,
you should almost give them,here's the fantastic four, like.
Start your Marvel Snap journeyor something like that.
That's a hell of a way to start.
Yeah.
Do you know how sad it would beif you're like, I wanna play,

(37:02):
you know, the Fantastic Four andit's like, oh bro, that'll be
two years from now.

Cozy Snap (37:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good luck getting, yeah.
More of a boy in a random slotor whatever.
But then that's maybe when wesee our first like snap pack,
dedicated pack.
Yeah.
Thing maybe.
Oh yes, yes.
Good call.
They could do that.
They could do that.
Next up, man, we've got theVentas car here and Vanta car is
a four six Alex.
Okay.
This one to me screams a littlelike not exactly.

(37:28):
It's not gonna be, it's notgonna be in the mud.
Like this is a series four cardin my opinion.
But activate, give your end ofturn cards plus two power.
So it's a four six that givesevery single end of turn card
plus two power, but it's anactivate.
It's a four cost card with onlysix power.
Two cards.
Make it a four 10.
Is this something that isreliable and can be played?

The only challenge here is like how many.
Activate cards you wanna put ina single deck.
So your turn five and six arecompletely useless.
Yeah.
It's like, you know what I mean?
It's not so much turn five, ofcourse, but turn six
specifically.
You gotta do somethingeventually.
I, I don't think it's terrible.
I mean, if you're gonna beleaning into this end of turn
shenanigans, it's not bad.
It's just funny that like, ifyou think about Cyclops, Cyclops

(38:10):
is potentially generating morevalue than just.
This is providing like, yeah, ofcourse it's a, you know, it's a
buff, but just letting the endof turn things do their thing,
it makes it feel strong.
Like for instance, oh, likesunspot, assuming sunspot can
double whammy on the floatedenergy and doesn't like consume
it and only does it once orsomething that we don't really

(38:31):
know about mechanically.
If it, if Sun Swap can doublepro.
That's way more power than justlike plus two or whatever,
right?
Yeah.
So sometimes the end of turneffect is stronger than the
buffs is providing.

Cozy Snap (38:41):
Yeah, and I think they were very smart in making
it where it's the end of turneffect, but then also fill the
location.
Because what's happening is,okay, let's say you play him on
three and Fantastic car, andfour, it's like we just, you're
not able to have enough cars onthe board to get.
That'cause it's like okay, heyyou could get Torch's power up
to three, four automaticallyvery easily.
Plus he's getting plus onepower.
So the more I think about it, Ithink actually Torch is gonna be

(39:02):
kind of crazy.
Torch has the ability to go upto some mad power braille, like
pretty some insane numbers if westart to look at some of these
cards.
But yeah, but thats car.
I think it's probably the leastexciting of the bunch and the
most narrow by far.
But I think it will amp up.
The deck archetype if that'swhat you're, you know, wanting
to play solely is this end turnstuff.
But like you said, is it gonnabe even worth that card spot at

(39:24):
the end of the day?
My feeling is no.
But will, like how hard is itgonna get, you know, to get
torch up anyway if it provesharder than maybe you, you slot
'em in?
Alright, next one.
This one.
This one's a good one.
This one I think is gonna be inthe main month here.
You got Herbie, a little robot,Herbie.
Okay.
He's a two.
Two.
Alex, this is probably one ofthe most creative cards I've
seen.
So it says each turn, this is inplay swapped to a new activate

(39:47):
ability until one is used.
Okay?
So there's a two, two with likealmost a Nico design.
Okay, so these are theabilities.
Activate.
Next turn you get plus twoenergy.
Hello.
That one's, that one's not bad.
That's on.
What?
That, that to me, just startingwith that one.
Seems like a great.

(40:08):
You don't get to pick, but man,if you get that on tune three,
man, you got, you got yourselfa.
That is the best one.

That's pretty damn solid.
Yeah.
But deck building around itmight be difficult.
Like you can't make, you knowwhat I mean?
We'll have to see how manyoptions are there.

Cozy Snap (40:20):
Yeah.
So remember we said that Nicowas gonna be bad.
Now she's on reveal, but Nicowas gonna be bad'cause there's
too much variance.
Like there's only four options.
So you have that one, you haveactivate, give your cards at
adjacent locations plus onepower.
So there's a two, four, thatone's clearly not good.
Or not the one you're lookingfor.
Activate, create a rock with,with four power here.

(40:41):
Create a rock with four powerhere.
So this is a way to fill yourlocations for the other cars,
for the thing and for humantorch prodigy.
And this makes'em a two six.
Yeah, that's crunch.
And then activate double thiscard's power.
So obviously if you have thefantastic car, if you have other
ways to get, you know.
A power to this guy.

(41:01):
Now you're starting to see whythese giving powers and most
importantly, Mr.
Fantastic giving power so youcan make this go from a two four
to 2 8, 2 10.

They really went hard on the activate this
month, eh, like super

Cozy Snap (41:12):
hard.
They did super hard.
So in turn, activate.
So this one's interesting to me.
Obviously the energy one is theone you're looking for, but then
if you don't get this, I thinkeither the consulate, the, the,
the prize of the, the plus fourpower rock is pretty good with
what the deck wants to do anddoubling the cards.
Power has a lot of potentialtoo, but if that one shows up at
the wrong time, you don't wantto use it.
So there's only four and thattwo of them seem strong at any

(41:34):
point.

Yeah.
No, I agree.
I absolutely agree.
And yeah, you're right.
Nico has shown us that sometimesvariances could be a superpower.
Like if Nico's in a deck, likeyou can't really anticipate what
your point is gonna do with it,right?
So I I kind of agree.
I think it, it might be betterthan first meets the eye.

Cozy Snap (41:50):
My biggest problem is it's when this is in place so
Nico can happen, it is happeningin your hand.
This has to be in place.
So you do have that, you know,in play plus also activate.
So turn six.
You know, I guess turn six.
You could do the rock one or thedouble.
Actually no, no, not turn six,turn five.
Right.
So little bit of a bummer.
But yeah, so those are the mainones last you wanna give.

(42:11):
We don't know where these aregonna come whether they come
after or not.
We'll quickly go through'em.
We've got moleman.
This one reads to me like amagic card all the way on Reveal
Banish the top card of your deckbanish Add two rocks to your
hand with power set to theBanish cards cost.

Okay, I'm interested.
I like it.
So basically I'm assuming therock's gonna be one cost, right?

Cozy Snap (42:31):
You would think so.
You would think that they'regonna be just cheap.
So I feel like and I don't havethis guy's stats.

Banish Hulk get two to get 2 24 in power.

Cozy Snap (42:40):
Yeah, that seems probably a little strong.
I wonder how high, how high howhigh up this guy's power and
cost is.
It does have it, but I can'tfind it.
Mad thinker at the start of eachturn.
Game plus two power.
If your hand is full after youdraw.

Really?
Mm-hmm.
What a strange design.
I don't even know what to thinkof that one.

Cozy Snap (42:57):
Isn't that bit weird?
Yeah.
Here, you know what?
See,

that is a weird one.
I, I don't even know, like weactually don't really have cards
that interact with hand size.

Cozy Snap (43:04):
That's why both these kind of read to me as like a
little bit of magic cardsbecause okay.
So Moleman, by the way, for therecord, is a three, three.
So that's actually pretty damngood if you make your deck
around

it.
I just realized I said somethingso stupid.
'cause both Ronan and DevilDinosaur interact with hand
size.
So just getting ahead of thecommentary,

Cozy Snap (43:21):
just get, just getting ahead of the comment
section, quote of the day.
And then also Mad Thinker man,that made me laugh.
Matt Thinker.
Let's see what this guy is.
Matt Thinker is a one one thatcan't be right.

Yeah, it's probably just a placeholder at
the start of the, we're kind ofdipping plus, yeah, we're
getting further dipping intothis early here,

Cozy Snap (43:40):
getting further into it.
Anyway, that's fantastic.
Four season.
I said it will change snap'causeI quite literally think it makes
a new archetype.
And ads.
What We don't get a lot cardsthat can fit just about anywhere
and have a bunch of synergytogether, bud.
Easily the most excited I'm foryour season coming up.

And honestly it's gonna do something with
Activate, like it's legit gonnado something with Activate, it's
buffing a lot of archetypes thatneed a little bit of love.
And so like even Evo, like youmight think, oh, I see Evo all
the time right now.
But yeah, you're seeing Evo inthe Ajax shell simply for Abom,
and now you have truly an anhigh evolutionary enabling
system here.
So, yeah, no, this is actuallypretty awesome.

(44:14):
I'm excited for it.

Cozy Snap (44:14):
And here's the most exciting thing.
We're not gonna go into all of'em, but this is like, wait,
what?
I think all of these have skillcards or something to do with
skill cards.
So like Cloer and time honorreveal moved the thing to this
location.
He can repeat the destroyability in the game.
Okay.
Like holy crap, right?
But then it's like flame onhonor, reveal, add human
torches, power to the next cardyou play.
Like, so there's, these are allgonna have skill cards.

(44:37):
It looks like they're, they'revery early concept, but that's
awesome because now if you havethese cool interaction cards
with skill cards attached to'emnow I hope they don't come and,
and dilute the deck.
We don't want that.
I don't think so then that then,'cause then you're getting like
human torch and then you getthe, the, you don't want, if you
didn't play'em, you have theflame on.
What are you gonna do with that?
Right.
So it's a little bit awkward.

(44:57):
But anyway man, let's move on tothe Snap Reddit review.
Alright guys, so Reddit inreview, Alex and I are gonna be
looking at the top of Reddit andreacting to what we see and to
the podcast.
We will we will definitelydescribe to you.
First up, we have a Dan Hip,Thunderbolt art and this Dan hip
man, I feel like his stocks werelike this.

(45:18):
They, they've kind of tamed,like people have tamed down a
bit on the hip, but this is amasterpiece.

I, I still like dead hips art.
I just find myself, I reallylike the photo realistic, like
fantasy stuff a lot.
And so I, I tend to go overthat, but I still run a few
hips.
Like my, the Beast Hip was oneof my absolute favorites for the
longest time until I got theFlavia, which Flavio's coloring
is just incredible.
But yeah, no, I think this looksawesome here and it makes me, I
haven't seen Thunderbolts yet.
Is, is Shadow dude relevantthere?

Cozy Snap (45:45):
Yeah, that's oh, I don't, I don't wanna spoil it.

Don't spoil it.
Don't spoil it.
Don't say if it's supposed to bea surprise, don't say anything,
but just, you know who he is is

Cozy Snap (45:52):
all I'll say.
That's all I'll say.
What does this one mean, Alex?
We have code tax cap in store.

Yeah.
So if you go to marvel snap.comand then you go to the top right
to the shop and in the redeemsection you type in all caps.
P-A-X-C-A-P, PAX Cap you willget the Penny Arcade Captain
America variant for free fromlast year.

Cozy Snap (46:15):
I saw that they're giving out the card back from
last year.
I was a little sad.
I like, I'm glad and sad, youknow what I mean?
Like, I'm happy that mo morepeople get it, but I was also
like, dang, because it was acool exclusive.

Yeah.
Yeah.
It's cool.
I mean, exclusives are alwayscool when you're the guy that
has it, right?
That's true.
It's true.
But yeah, like if they're gonnabe doing something similar to
that, then like, the year ofexclusivity is pretty neat.
But yeah, the art's fantastic.
And I think there's, as I, Ithink I mentioned already on
this podcast, there's a pennyarcade.
What's it called?
Album coming out.
So this might be in the album.
I don't know.
May as well get it for free.

Cozy Snap (46:47):
Remember when this was considered the best card in
the game?
And we have Jeff, a two three.
That feels like a eternity to goat this point, man.
But I think, was it, was Jeffthe longest running best card in
the game?
Like I think so.
Like it is, it had that becauselike we at least could give that
to'em and I feel like nowadaysthat's super controversial.
Which one is.

If you want power creep in a photograph,
this is it.
Essentially like a two threethat just moved.
It could be played anywhere, isdefinitely not good enough
anymore.
It's also worth noting that Jeffwas super, super popular because
Professor Rex was a menace atthe time.

Cozy Snap (47:21):
Yeah.

Professor Rex got completely taken outta the
game, like he doesn't even existnow anymore.
And so Jeff was super, it wasused offensively and defensively
with Professor X and so thosedecks were prevalent for long
enough that I think that Jeffremained relevant.

Cozy Snap (47:35):
And keep in mind, I think between Snap and Rivals,
but because of the popularity ofthose two games, I think we are
gonna get some kind of JeffEaster egg, Jeff showing
something in, in Doomsday or TheAvengers.
I think that they're gonna showhim in some capacity, he's
gotten too big to not capitalizehim on the MCU.

Of course, man, you got Jeff's gotta be in
there.
He's gotta be in there.
I, I love the comics even thoughthey're, they read more like,
kinda like visual novels.
Not even novels.
There's no words in most ofthem, but but yeah, Jeff's,
Jeff's amazing

Cozy Snap (48:05):
snap packs are getting outta hand as we have a
shiny blast voice.
I pulled one of these, actually.

You pulled one of these outta your snap pack

Cozy Snap (48:12):
Uhhuh.
Yeah, it was crazy, man.
I want, I wanted a I wanted aprodigy and I got a, I got a
blast oyster.
I don't even think I'd be madabout this, even if it was
fundamentally useless.

No, I would, I would definitely take I would
take a six.
Oh, I like the fact that it's asix nine.
It's the extra bit

Cozy Snap (48:27):
there that, that does it for me.
Yeah.
Blast stories, coincidentally isprobably easily my top three.
It's in my Mount Rushmore newUncle Ben's sound effect is
amazing.
Have you, have, you, you, I'msure you've heard this.

I've heard it now.
Yeah.
I didn't quite understand whathe says, and then I'm like, oh,
it's because he just got capped.
Yeah,

Cozy Snap (48:45):
he, he dies.
Yeah.
It, this is.
This is up.
The first time you heard this,it got, it Had to have a little
ch a little smile, a littlechuckle to you.

Cozy.
Do

Cozy Snap (48:54):
a reenactment of it with great power.
It comes.
That was pretty good.
That was actually really good.
That was pretty good.
Yeah.
That was good.
That was solid.
That was really good.
I'm actually proud of that one.
Ooh, here we go.
Nobody has commented yet, butskill cars.
They look like this.
Now, are you a fan or not a fan,Alex?

I haven't played AMO to see them, so I
don't know.

Cozy Snap (49:13):
Looking at'em right here.
Guys, there is a giant circlewith just the, the cost and the
name.
I actually like this.
I, I think they definitelyneeded to make somewhat of a
difference between skill cardsand not, and we're about to get
a lot more

buddy.
They literally look like boltsof ball sack on the screen right
now.

Cozy Snap (49:25):
They do.
Friendly reminder that Alyth wasable to pull this off back in
the day.

Oh, it's gonna delete everything, dude.
Oh my God.
It's honestly heartbreaking towatch

Cozy Snap (49:41):
this card lasted so long too, like so how long was
Maine Alyth in the game?

I don't know, man.
It must, it felt like at leastfive months, four months minimum
before they started kind ofchanging it OTA and patching it.
And I will say it's funnybecause I almost wanna go back
to that, that episode of the SC,where we talked about it and I
feel like both of us knew it wasgonna be good, but we didn't
identify it as like the card ofthe month.
We need to do a reaction.

Cozy Snap (50:11):
We need to go back.
What we need to do for anepisode is the whole episode.
I just go to the top 10 mostbroken cards today, and we go
back to when they released andwhat we said about'em, and we
just react to it.

Oh, that's gonna be so embarrassing.
I.

Cozy Snap (50:22):
Yes, but also I think incredible.
I think we have, I think

there's gonna be a lot more, like, this card
looks like it's gonna be good.
Oh, Loki's a good example ofthat too.
Oh yeah, you were like ex, youwere actually excited about Loki
from like, just a flavorperspective.
That game, that card broke thegame.

Cozy Snap (50:37):
I was like, yeah, this is gonna be something I'm
gonna play a lot.
Like I can't wait.
Hopefully it's like niche enoughand good enough to use, and then
it's just like absolute,completely, completely cracked
and dumb, dumb.
Duggan looks different.
Rest in peace.
Dumb dumb.
Rest in peace.

No idea where dumb dumb is.
I still love the fact thatwhatever, whoever programmed the
announcement for Dum is nowavailable in series four.
Didn't even bother to change itwhen Xi Doxy came out instead,

Cozy Snap (51:02):
it hilarious.
They're like, nah, just leaveit.
They're like, sir, it sayseverybody's getting a free air.
Ah, fine.
Don't worry about it.
No one reads those things.
Anyway,

Cozy.
I got a funny story for you.
It's funny for you, not for me.
I'm a little upset about it, butyou know what?
It's your fault and you don'teven know it's your fault and
I'm gonna take it out on youright now in front of a audience
here.
I was gonna say live audience,but it's not live audiences.
Actually, days prior to the thisreleasing due to my traveling
commitments, but cozy, on theend of the last Snapchat you had
said, you had said, Alex, I'mgonna go see the thunderbolts.

(51:32):
'cause I can't risk gettingspoiled.
And you said, you know what?
Spoilers are everywhere.
My entire feed is Marvel stuff.
I gotta get out there.
And don't you worry audience ifyou're listening, no spoilers
here to be had.
I would never do that to you.
But I just want you to know thatguess who got spoiled hard?
This guy right here happened.
And you know how it happened.
I was so annoyed.
And again, I stress, don't worryaudience.
I'm not gonna spoil nothing.

(51:53):
Don't you worry?
'cause I would never do that toyou.
Literally after the Snapchat, Iwas on my phone.
I dunno if you have an Androidso you have like the Google
feed, the newsfeed top.
Top of my newsfeed was like aYouTube channel.
It was like a thumbnail.
And like when I say theimmediate title, I mean like the

(52:13):
first four words are likeruthless, spoiler.
People

Cozy Snap (52:17):
suck, man.
I hate when people do that.
And the,

yeah, and the thumbnail was literally a
spoiler.
And the first, like in anautoplay, the first, second
savage spoiler.
There was no way I could haveavoided this.
To the point where I'm like,Google, why did you do this?
Why?
Yeah.
I'm like, I couldn't, I, by thetime I processed what I was
looking at, I was alreadyspoiled.
Everything.
And it was like, it was likegamer kids 69, 4 20 xxx Of

(52:43):
course.
Yeah.
Was like the YouTube channelsnowball my, and it was
literally the footage.
The second I saw was someone's,it was like phone footage from
like the front row of thetheater, so it was like super,
like wide and like I was like,dude, Google screwed just
enough.
I was, we'll talk about itafter.
I want you to, I'll tell youwhat I saw.
I was so upset'cause it lookedsick and I was like, no, why

(53:04):
would you tell?
So anyways, that was my momentright after the Snapchat, and
maybe I should have went to seeThunderbolts right away.

Cozy Snap (53:11):
I saw a short man that it has to do with this, but
doesn't.
But it was like a husband, likewent up to his wife's phone when
she was gone and he was likesaying things to the phone for
targeted ads.
He was like.
Chicken Parmesan recipes.
He's like how to clean the houseefficiently.
Like he was like saying thingsto see if it would like pop up
later on his phone.
It got a good chuckle outta me.
But yeah, man, they're, they'realways listening, man.

(53:31):
They're, they're, they're alwayslistening.
Luckily, the spoilers weren't,like, it's not a movie that had
like, you know, the death ofCaptain America, whatever,
right?
Like, it wasn't like the wholeworld bent outta shape, but
there was some stuff that couldbe spoiled for sure.
There

was definitely some stuff that could have been
spoiled.
'cause I feel like I got spoileda little bit there.
But and talking about MCUquickly, we also have, obviously
we have the Fantastic fourcoming out.
When's that coming out?
Is this summer?

Cozy Snap (53:54):
It is almost in line with Comic-Con completely.
So it's like July, I wanna saylike 26th.

And what's next after that?

Cozy Snap (54:02):
Avengers Doomsday

Avengers.
A Doomsday, which is I think Maynext year.

Cozy Snap (54:09):
And then I think two years from now is Secret Wars.
From like yesterday,

secret Wars.
That is like a, is that a movieor a show of interest?

Cozy Snap (54:18):
You, you don't know.
What, if you don't know what theword Secret Wars means by now as
a Marvel creator, all Hope islost.
Don't put

that on me, bro.
It's, it's up there.
I don't know what's going on's.
I know that people have told methat it's really good.
Wait, wait.
There's Agents of Shield.
People have said I have towatch.
Then there's inception I've beentold I have to watch, and then
there's apparently I gotta readup on Secret Wars.
And that's not, that's not theNick Fury one.
That's secret invasion, right?

Cozy Snap (54:42):
No, this is a, this is a very big, this is very big.
It'd be like what's anequivalent like you know what
Order 66 is on Star Wars.
Nope.
Okay, cool.
Alright, let's move on.
Dar Vader.
Let's just talk about Esme.
Let's just, just move on fromthis conversation

before I upset you.
Connoisseur of media.
Yes.
Esme, cuckoo, cuckoo, EsmeCuckoo.
All I've known is that, I don'tknow how to say this name at
all.
Every single part of it isawkward.
Cozy Snap.
Esme three, four on Reveal.
Cop your hand, whatever.
You know what it does now.
That's great.
For the audio listeners, honorreveal, copy a card from your

(55:16):
deck into your hand set.
Its cost of three and power tofour.
There you go.
I did the thing, I did thepodcast thing.
So I played a ton of both Esmeand Surge, like when I say a
ton, I literally startedstreaming for Twist Drops,
played for like 10, 11 hours.
Got to Infinite was I was likeranked 52 or something, which
is, I mean, that's more alongthe lines of this.

(55:38):
I was the 52nd person to get theinfinite at the time, I guess.
But what I'll say is that like Iplayed so much of these cards
that I felt like I got a prettygood handle.
Of their strength, theirpotential, and what they can do.
And I, I was playing them insimilar shells and even in some
of the same shells and foundthat they did have niches that
they fell into.
So with regards to Esme itself,first of all, I came in at four

(56:01):
stars.
You came in at 4.5.
Do you have any initialthoughts?
I feel like yes,

Cozy Snap (56:06):
in the initial days, she's fallen more into.
We were kind of talking aboutwill she end up being because I,
I, I, let me just say this.
I think I needed more playtime.
I think, not me.
We all need more playtime to seeabout the copy mechanic.
As it continues through Dex.
But remember we talked aboutlike is she gonna be niched into
some certain cards or will shebe plug and playable and like

(56:27):
that was the true thing.
And yes, definitely.
I'm not shocked on release.
Like a lot of her target.
And at least what I played tooright away was what we thought
was gonna be kind of those Mr.
Negative type cards, the sagesof the world, the Ironman, like.
That's what we leaned to.
'cause we knew it was gonna begood and it made a lot of sense
that those hit really well andthose overperformed, and I think
in the other areas, at leastinitially, she underperformed in

(56:50):
more of a catch hole way.
I.

I absolutely agree and I will say
statistically, currently andthis is a couple days earlier
than usual because of the travelcommitments I have, but she's
running a 57% win rate.
Now, bear in mind this isinflated because of bot
statistics the first week.
So it is gonna be definitelyhigher, kind of low or currently
including bots

Cozy Snap (57:10):
kind of low for.
New card on bought release, likeAlmo is like a 60 something
percent on the release.
Surge

is much higher, I'll say that.
Okay.
Okay.
So if that gives you any, any,any indication.
So Esme at a 57.
Now what else say about Esme andwhat my experience indicated was
that.
I think the power is notnecessarily copying the Ironman
or the gore, and I think a lot,as you said, a lot of people
went to that and it did work.
That was the thing you coulddefinitely do.
But what I really found valuablewas the opportunity to reach

(57:39):
into the deck and essentiallydouble the chances that I get a
chance to draw a card I need.
Surfer's a great example ofthis.
If I don't have surfer in mydeck by turn in my hand by turn,
six things feel kind of bad in asilver surfer deck.
And there was multiple instanceswhere I would play as me on turn
three, get surfer, and then alsodraw surfer.

(57:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which was particularlyfascinating.
Moreover, there were instanceswhere I would play Esme, get
Sebastian Shaw and drawSebastian Shaw, and then draw
into surfer as well.
Now, yes, of course you'rethinking Alex.
That's just, those are justblessed situations, but those
are situations that happened andthey happened more than once.
Put yourself in a situationwhere you are against a strange

(58:19):
supreme player and you see thestrange supreme going crazy.
You're holding ESMI on turnthree.
You don't have Sean Chi in yourhand yet, and you know it's in
your deck.
I.
It could be potentially valuableto roll Asme to potentially get
that shun chi early so that youcan take out that that strange
supreme, the ability to, to addthat like factor of digging into
that deck and not like in ajubilee of pulling it and

(58:40):
slamming on the field, butactually holding it.
'cause blink digs into the deck,but the card comes out.
Jubilee digs into the deck, butthe card comes out.
Iron lad digs in, but the cardis immediately revealed.
With Esme, you're pulling thecard and you're storing it for
future usage.
So the tech pieces can actuallybe very useful.

Cozy Snap (58:55):
Yeah.
And it's helping with, you know,you have so much information too
when you're doing so right.
Like you're able to clearly seewhat you could get.
And sometimes, at least when Iwas playing, it's like, oh wow,
I'm good with any of theseoptions, even if I double draw
into that.
And I think what's cool abouther and, and as I, we continue,
we just talked about theFantastic four first step cards.
Think about that whole deck.

(59:17):
I think she's great as just kindof a Mm, there's nothing else.
I wanna do this turn.
And any card that I continue toget is gonna help out.
Like, those cards are all goodto get back in your hand and if
you get two of them, awesome,right?
Like, what a cool thing you canup doing with that.
So I think that she's going tobe pretty futureproof too.
Like she's got a lot going forin that department.
It, it, it, she feels reallysolid to play.

And for what it's worth so last week I was
incorrect about the interactionwith the copied card and Silver
surfer.
The card gets copied to the handand then it gets set to the cost
of three, but it does not countas a three costed card.
I actually tried to find whereGlen had explained the
difference between the small c,the capital C and the c slash

(59:59):
and dash and all that stuff.
I couldn't find it in my timesearching discord.

Cozy Snap (01:00:03):
It just has never really happened that way.
Like pixie, like it just, theyalways, they like, they've been
very like strict on that from,and probably because of this
reason, because of surfer.
Yeah.
Because of ways you could, youknow, manipulate it,

Alexander Coccia (01:00:14):
but at the same time it's like, it is
someone non-intuitive, right?
Like once we understand the ruleYeah.
And we, we see it mechanicallywork, then we just get it like
it's obvious.
It's like okay, that's fine andthat's cool, right?
Because still getting a galataas a three cost or a Gwen pool
was still awesome.
Like that was, even if theyweren't getting buff, like that
was still awesome.
But I think it, it like the, therules, the rules of the card

(01:00:35):
game, the snap, especially asyou add more cards, sometimes
there's these like stepping onthe toes situations, right?
But overall with Esme, what I,what I would say is, my general,
first of all, it's also again,earlier than usual, but one of
the advantages of the seasonpass card is, is slightly less
fomo'cause you can get it laterin the month.
Although you are giving up theweekend missions with the the 50
150 gold I should say, as may,I'm cautiously optimistic on

(01:00:59):
spoiler.
I think surge is better.
But I do find that Esme ispotentially pretty interesting
overall.
I will say though, I was alittle, I don't wanna say
disappointed'cause I wasn'texpecting it, but I think they
really need to look at theseason pass and if they're gonna
be really leaning into tokens asa source of like an economy
engine.

Cozy Snap (01:01:16):
Yeah.

Give your paying customers some tokens in
the season pass.

Cozy Snap (01:01:19):
Yeah.
I gave them the benefit of thedoubt this time because I think
that the either or launch datekind of thing, but as we hit
June, it's like, all right,okay.
Like we've known this is gonnacome now and you could prep for
this in advance.
And so I'm hoping to see a, achange and they kinda even
mentioned that in one of thoseDev Q and a's they were like,
yeah, we can add tokens in moreplaces.
'cause now they're essentially aBible currency.
So, yeah.
That's what, yeah, I would, Iwould hope to see.

What I've seen, I've said this before, but
what I've seen out of seconddinner based off of the changes
they've been making with theSNAP packs is they seem
committed to making the gamemore accessible and better.
This isn't just cope, this isn'tjust them just kind of, you
know, taking a need to thecommunity that's been
complaining about cardacquisition.
I think they're actively tryingto make their game better.
And for that reason, I believethat if they find that there
aren't enough tokens in theecosystem, that they'll start

(01:02:02):
incorporating more just outsideof the wallet, which.
They always say the credit card,the most powerful card in
collectible card games at theend of the day and cozy.
That's gonna take us to our nextcard to discuss.
We did have a dual release andthis one was surge.
Into the snap packs, right offthe rip surge is running a 59%

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win rate, and of course that'sranks 70 including bot based
statistics.
Cozy, what are your thoughts onSurge?
I've

Cozy Snap (01:02:28):
been waiting for your thoughts on Serge because we
came in at different, you know,I think you were most ex you
were excited about it, but youthought she was a little pumped
up.
A little bit too much.
And as I was playing her, I waslike, you know, I wonder.
I wonder what Alex is thinkingover there on how you played
her.
She did work in interactionsthat we thought she, that she
had the potential work in, whichwas nice to see.
But yeah.
I'll g I'll give you the four,

right?
But I like how you do this.
Eh?
You're just like, Hey bud.
I, you know, you're wrong andI'm right.
So I'll let you admit that I'mright.
Okay.
Cozy.
Here we go.
So cozy gave her the five, Igave her the four.
I gave her the, it's my fivecard of the, the month.
But I was somewhat hesitant froma power perspective.
I was probably a littleincorrect.
I surge was impressive.

(01:03:10):
What I will say though is I feltoften like, oh, okay.
There was one highlight I didwhere I literally surged and
then top deck Silver Surfer andI was like, dammit, I can't play
Silver Surfer on turn three.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I'm like, you know what?
I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna keep the s, I'm justgonna lean into, I'm gonna play
a temple surface surface, seewhat happens.

(01:03:30):
And I did still won the game.
Yeah, I did.
Still won four cubes becauseit's like the amount of just
like momentum being generatedwas crazy.
Like she was actually awesome.

Cozy Snap (01:03:41):
You have to commit to the bit, and I think you said
it, you know, I think when youwent in with the cautious
optimism was, well that's nothow Snap's played.
And I think at the time Irhetoric was like.
Yet, right?
Like we haven't played that wayyet.
And it's true.
I think that was a great exampleof it.
It's like, because there weretimes where it's like, this
doesn't make a lot of sense, butI might as well just keep this
top deck momentum going.
And it was really cool to seethat continue on.

(01:04:04):
She's very interesting and Ithink this is definitely like I.
A card that really shapes theway you play, which is why Snap
is so cool because you don'teven need a new game mode.
Sometimes you just need a cardthat really encourages a new way
to play.
You know, we see that in othercard games and it's, I hope they
continue to lean into this kindof stuff, which, you know, makes
you, it pulls you outta yourcomfort zone a little bit.
You know, you have a little bitof a different play style than

(01:04:26):
you used to.
But, yeah, s was was definitelycool.

It was awesome.
And I will say I came really,really impressed to the point
where like, I, I would say thatif you're someone who's on the
fence, whether or not you wantto spend 5K if your collection
complete, I think she's worthrolling 5K for like, I think
she's unique enough that it'sworth having your collection.
I had a blast with her.
She feels strong.
Yes, there was some instanceswhere you, you know, you get
surface surfing and you're like,Hey, I'm not gonna play this

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till the end of the game.
But there's other times wherelike I play Surge on two, I hit
brood, I play brood, and then Imight even have forge in hand
and that just allows me to comboforge with Sebastian SHA five or
whatever.
Right.
I was able to do a lot of funthings.
I think

Cozy Snap (01:05:05):
my advice is get her and get her now, and the reason
I say that is because out of themonth, she's the card to get.
Because if you wait, then you'regonna be risking to pull a
prodigy, pull, whatever.
And so if you do want, if you,if you're on the fence and
you're leaning towards like the60%, 70%, you want to get her
side, get her, because then atthat point, it's gonna take that

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much more to grab her.
Either way, those cards, thosefiller cards are gonna be in
there for the next month andwhatever.
But you just, you know, loweryour chance of grabbing her from
a snap pack.

That's a good like Yeah, that's a great, great
opinion because you have thesnap hacks, which we joked about
prior.
They progressively get worsebecause as you skip things, they
kind of get like stuffed withpoo, right?
You try.
Yeah.
It's like they, you add your ownlandmines and some months are
gonna be harder and harder inlandmines.
Some

Cozy Snap (01:05:54):
months are gonna be harder than others.
Right?
Like some months, let's take theone with Chu.
It's like, I think there wassome bad cards in between and
then Chu came out and everyonewanted Concho.
It's like, well, that at thatpoint, that's gonna be a lot
tougher to make decisions, butthis is one of the easier months
to make decisions on becauseit's all in the front half.

Yeah, and for what it's worth currently we
have a couple decks that havebeen making the rounds with
regards to surge.
And actually, ironically, Esmeis making some of those lists,
as we had discussed here on thepodcast, first cozy.
One of the top performing shellsis the havoc based shell buddy.
Boom, fist bump to us.
We actually called that.
That deck's running a 61% winrate.
Bought inflated there.

(01:06:30):
We also have some interestingstuff going with with like
Gwenpool and Hope Summers andElsa Bloodstone.
Yes.
Surge making the rounds on acouple different unique decks.

Cozy Snap (01:06:39):
I was pumped to see Scarlet Spider Show show up,
man.
Yeah, like that.
I was like, any time this cardcomes up I was pumped.
And what a cool card to topdeck.
And be like, I'll definitelyplay this at this point.
Like you're only getting purevalue at that point.
So, you know, it goes to showyou Scarlet Spider Gut, you
know, kind of dumped on when itcame out.
There's just so many cards thatcome out down the line that help
out past cards and so it's soimportant to evaluate these and

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what they can do in the future.

And the nice thing about it's, we're still
recording, like only the firstweek of these cards release.
And I think that Esmeultimately, I think is weaker
than search.
I dunno if you would agree withthat.
Yeah.
Like first impressions.

Cozy Snap (01:07:14):
Yeah, for sure.
And it's mainly because of whatSurge is doing to your deck and
it's that whole cost cheaper,the flexibility of it.
There's a bunch going for Surge.
I think Esme is good, butthere's just more use cases for
surge.

The challenge I found with Esme too was it
predict, I mean the deck Ireleased was actually one of the
top performing Esme decks, whichis great to see.
But I had cards like FAOs inthere.
You, if you have Esme on threeand Faso on three, you always
play FAOs.
Yeah.
Like you always play Faso onthree.
And so I often found myselfplaying Esme on five to seeing
if like, oh, I don't have surferyet.

(01:07:47):
Can I reach in or what do I do?
And so Esme I found was stillvaluable later into the turns,
especially since you're justworking with the three jobs.
But it did feel really goodhitting things like Gwen Pools
and Galata and stuff.
'cause I had turned fives whereI was playing galata, which got
discounted by surge into forge.
So you're buffing the forge, andthen forge is like, like kind of
setting the, the buff for thenext turn.

(01:08:09):
Right?
Which, where then you could hit,you know, your.
Your broods or whatever, butultimately, yeah, I would agree.
Surge number one, asay numbertwo.
Both of the cards certainly dohave potential with regards to
surge.
Definitely get her now if youare collection complete or near
it as the rest of the seasonlooks a little not as good.
And that cozy is gonna take usto our next topic of

(01:08:30):
conversation because if Surge isgonna do anything.
Esme is gonna do anything.
It might bring some cards backto the forefront that we're not
seeing much play prior.
Now we're gonna be talking overthe last couple of weeks here
because you know, cards havebeen coming and going.
There's still some cards thatare very prevalent and we'll
talk about those as well.
But the real risers.

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Are the ones that are kind ofthe ones that over the last
couple weeks maybe they got anew injection of power and
they're coming back out andcozy.
I wanna start the conversationwith Thanos.
Thanos has seen a massive surgeof popularity and cozy.
Can you guess why?

Cozy Snap (01:09:05):
Well, strange Supreme, my friend, strange
Supreme bringing out the best inhim.
And, you know, again we, we'vemade the joke too many times
where it's like he's inevitable.
He will always find his way backinto the meta at some point in
time.
With different ways, differentbuilds.
'cause it's a really cool cardwith so many ways to interact
with it.
Heck, we even talked about'emwith what's his name?
Prodigy like, hey, maybe, Idon't know if you just copy a, a
draw engine for him.

(01:09:26):
But yeah.
Clear as day strange, supremereally, really amplified him.

Yeah.
And we are, again, statisticallyfor this first week we were
discussing ranks 70 and above.
So there is some bot inflation,but.
Both Strange, Supreme and Thanosare running an 18 to 19%
popularity, both of which at a56% win rate.
So clearly there's their theirperformance is tied to one
another.
They're being played in the samedecks, and they're doing very

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well.
And even though new cards arebeing released, you're seeing
almost a 20% play rate onThanos, which.
Three months ago would've seemedabsolutely crazy.
Yeah, the card was dead in thewater.
And it's notable that they madesome changes to the stones.
They made some modifications tothe stones and how they worked
and stuff like that.
But really, it's, it's strange.
Supreme.
That was the reviving factor.

Cozy Snap (01:10:13):
Yeah.
Without question.
For it's funny'cause you can'tcall something hot and realizing
if it's hard, if it's been hot,but it's been like a sleep, not
a sleeper hot even.
But do, do you feel like Ajaxand affliction just kind of.
They just continue to exist and,and, and like, it's not talked
about much, like we haven'thighlighted it in a while.
We did talk about, I thinkDiamondback kind of constantly

(01:10:34):
being slept on as like just areally good car that's not
talked about.
But I feel like the, the Ajaxhas always in the affliction
side has just always beenrelevant and solid.

I'm trying to remember, I think Ajax might
have been one of the spotlightcash weeks that was the best
coming up that we've now lost.
Oh yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Because of the s the snap packs.
But yeah, Ajax is one of thosecards that like honestly, when
it first came out, it lookedgood and people were like, yeah,
it's, it's pretty good.
It gets huge.
But the decks hadn't reallyformed around it yet.
And then the list got reallytight, really tight, really

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good.
This is one of the mostconsistent top 10 deck
performers in Marvel Snaps sinceits release.
And yet, while we've hadinjections of power with
Diamondback and others.
This, this card doesn't see muchplay.
The win rate is always sky high,but the play rate is always well
under everything else.

(01:11:26):
There's a huge discrepancybetween how much people are
playing, how much people arewinning.
'cause it's certainly winning.

Cozy Snap (01:11:31):
Yeah.
You do need a lot of cards toreally perfect it.
It's an archetype that everycard that comes out, it really
enhances it.
And Diamondback just being themost recent example.
Right.
But yeah, at this point, thiscame out, I think in July of
last year and it's been slept onalmost ever since.
Like it's performed.
Well, it's been, you know in theconversation of one of the top
decks and for a while, the toptech, right.

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For a good while to the pointwhere they had to look at some
of the cars to, to tame down.
And all it takes is anotheraffliction car to just boost it
up even higher, which I'm surethere's plenty of those coming
out.
You know, now that they'rereally thinking even more cars
are gonna dip into thataffliction could be a little bit
of a scary archetype.
I guess maybe that's why it'splaywright stone.
It's not like move, but it's ina sense.
Yeah.
You know what it, you're playingwith fire is what we like to

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say.

It's funny 'cause it honestly doesn't see
much play and I feel like itspikes when a new tool comes
out.
Like Diamondback comes out,everyone's playing Luke Cage,
but almost nobody's playing LukeCage defensively because this is
not popular enough.
And Luke Cage is incrediblypowerful with this board wide
effect.
We, we, I mean, how many timeswe said board wide effect.

(01:12:33):
You know, in this podcast todayalone, very powerful.
Sport wide effect.
But talking about the nextcouple cards here, I want to
just bear mention to something.
Now, there is a specific cardand it's number three I really
want to talk about, but it'salso worth mentioning that Hun
Chi at a 31% win rate or notthird win rate at 31% popularity
is not currently the most playedcard in Marvel Snap.

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The card that consistently seesthe most play is actually Sam
Wilson, captain America at 35%,despite the Nerf, but we're
talking about risers here, andSam Wilson's been near the top
for, since its release, andShachi has been in it near the
top forever.
So who's the riser?
Cozy.
It's a thunderbolt.
You probably saw him on thescreen.

(01:13:19):
He likes to hit people for thenegative.
He likes to strip away theircard text.
He's red.
Who

Cozy Snap (01:13:25):
is he?
The Guardian?
Dude, it, you know what's funnyis like it made, so before my
wife and I went in to go see themovie, she's like, can you kinda
like run down these charactersagain?
And like, I thought the best wayto do it was just to go to Snap.
And I just like went to my snapcards and I was like showing her
who?
Oh, I see.
I can't spoil stuff.
It's not even that big of aspoiler.
'cause it's in the trailer.
But regardless, don't say it.
No, no, no, no, no.

(01:13:45):
I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna say it.
There's a hero though that shedon't you even

dare bring up stranger things.

Cozy Snap (01:13:51):
She.
No, she saw the the Snap cardthough, of this one this one
character.
And she was like, that's gonnabe an news.
She's like I didn't know it wasthis kinda movie.
And it's funny'cause some of theart, you know, like Red Garden's
a perfect example.
I was like trying to go throughmy red car, you know, this is
like the closest one I foundthat was like, kind of given
the, the David Harbor vibes.
But yeah, man, red Guardian,he's he's cool.

(01:14:11):
And after you see the movie,man, it's just you.
I don't care if white widow'sgood.
You wanna, you wanna try to playthem together.

That's awesome.
And I'll say that Red Guardiancurrently is the third most
played card of Marvel Snap at a24% meta popularity.
He seems like a great catchall.
Ironically, you brought up Ajax.
He's currently making the Ajaxdecks as simply just pure tech.
He's a great catchall, cozy andone of the other call outs worth

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mentioning as well, another techpiece.
And this is the good boy, thedoggy.
It's Cosmo, and this might befully related to the popularity
of Thanos and specificallyStrange Supreme.
'cause believe it or not, it hasa well just barely 19% play rate
just slightly above that ofThanos and Strange Supreme.
I wonder who he's protecting,

Cozy Snap (01:14:59):
bro.
There is a comment on our lastSnapchat that we missed and I
thought it was actually like areally good point.
We were talking about Zorn andI'm a little bit higher up than
you are in them.
Just by a little bit, butsomeone's like Zorn is the
perfect co anti Cosmo card andit makes so much sense.
He can completely keep a lanefor the first time Cosmo free.

It's true, it's true.
'cause Cosmo, even if you playit there gets punched out.

Cozy Snap (01:15:25):
Yeah.
So you could essentially on turnthree set up or No, he's a two.
Cos.
So you can set up a com.
Now a lot of those combos thatyou wanna keep Cosmo out, you
kinda sorta, you know, want tohave the whole lane to do so.
But even having that option oflike guaranteed safety for an
honor reveal thing is kindacool.

No, I just realized I can counter that.
I know the exact play you make.
I think this would work.
You ready?
Okay.
You ready for this Red guardianCosmo?
Okay, on tempo.
Turn one, not turn One, screwtwo.
One turn.
One.
Turn.
Two Colossus.
Turn three.
Cosmo.
Turn four.
Super scroll.
When super scroll comes down,does the ongoing go first and

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then prevent it from beingmoved?

Cozy Snap (01:16:04):
There it is.
Done and done.
Colossus error.
Here we come.
It's there.
So is

Colossus back baby?
Yeah.

Cozy Snap (01:16:10):
All, all the stop probably are pretty suboptimal.
Like Zorn Lane play like yeah,you probably would win anyway,
but do that actually is some bigbrain thinking.
I like it.

Thank you.
It's like the new form of Ccontrol, but except you were on,
just scroll in every way and youstill just lose, even if you get
the,'cause you're putting zeropower on the board if you don't
top cozy.
Do you see any hot and risersyou'd like?

Cozy Snap (01:16:31):
I think just like a shout out to it's been really
cool to see since even thebeginning of Snap, like ongoing
and like where it's gone, right?
Like obviously a lot of it hadto do with Goliath and him
coming out and kind of giving agood resurgence there.
Captain Carter.
But it's been really coolbecause you know, back in the
day it was just really ongoing.
Like destroyer decks is all youcould pull off.
And then it's continued to likejust evolve.

(01:16:52):
And I remember back we wouldhave subjects about that keyword
being something that they needto look at.
'cause on reveal's thriving andongoing, it just seems like
there's not really a lot goingfor it.
And then even back then we wouldtalk about though, the more
cards that come out for it, it'salways gonna get better.
And you know, here we are.
Years down the line, you havelow cost cards with grid effects
that fit into those lanes.
And I just find it like such acomfort deck.

(01:17:14):
And I think it's definitelyclearly was more hot in the rise
last month.
But still stupid solid option.

That's a, a great point and it's, it's funny
you bring like kind of inventivedecks up because there's two
cards that have been making alot of pretty inventive lists.
They both have the same metapopularity at 11.4%.
Similar win rates, 55 to 56% andit's Mobius and Mobius.
Juggernaut Juggernaut being ableto be used alongside Surge and

(01:17:43):
Esme in the havoc based decks.
Good, closer.
And Mobius.
And Mobius naturally preventsthe discount for Esme and both
Surge.
So Mobius on the rise.
Do you think Mobius is worthplaying defensively?

Cozy Snap (01:17:58):
It always, it is always, the word depends, right?
It's always the, it's always howpopular do decks get that he can
be played in.
And I think virtually myself,I'm always leaning towards the,
the red guardian, the sh q fortech card slot.
And I.
We're getting more, like we justgot the season pass card that
does, we we're always gettingcards that reduce costs and the
more those that come in, great.

(01:18:19):
And the more those that kind ofin, you know, go into into the
meta, like a great example isMr.
Fantastic doing minus one cost.
Like this is a, this just shutsthat strategy down completely.
Right?
So we're gonna keep gettingthose cards.
So not yet, but I'm, I like'em.

I would venture to say that playing
cards purely defensively likeEchoes and Mobius and Mobius,
yeah, they feel terrible becauseyou're not doing what your deck
is designed to do.
You're playing for what youropponent is.
And I think the most successfuldecks in Snap are the ones that
execute on their game plan andgenerally don't care about what
your opponent's doing.
You're doing your thing.
C Control has always been theanomaly.

(01:18:57):
It's, it's been the anomaly tothat rule for Snap.
Yeah, you don't just play MobySam Mobius.
'cause you know what I mean?
It's really only found in acouple decks.
Like it's not making surferdecks, but it makes the pixie
ones, it's here and there

Cozy Snap (01:19:09):
in simpler terms.
It's like all the way back tothe Devil Dyno and the the Ronin
conversation, right?
Devil Dyno, you have control.
You know how many cards you'regonna have.
Ronin you don't.
Right?
So like, at the end of the day,always pick the one that you
have control of.

And sir, do you know what I have control
over?
The questions in the Snapchatmailbag.
Beautiful, beautiful segue.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
You know, I, I'm glad that weare at the point where we just
congratulate each other on thequality of the segues we're
producing because we, we justneed some more positivity in the
world, and I appreciate thatcozy.
Just like I appreciate thequestion from James iv, which

(01:19:42):
reads, while on the subject ofquality of life improvements,
for the love of one, above all,can we get some deck slots?
Finally, please

Cozy Snap (01:19:52):
just.
At this point we have to, Idon't, I don't know.
It's crazy to me.
It's gotta be a server capacitything, I guess.
I don't know.
I it, it, it's gotta be, ifother games can have 20 decks
lost, let's say, or, or, or 15even, but they have 60 cards in
those we can Sure.
It's only 12 cards to a deck.

(01:20:13):
You, you know, and it's just.
We got that on launch almost,right?
It was like January when theygave us the up to 20, maybe even
sooner than that.
And that's it.
That's been the last update.

Yeah.
It would be nice.
And it's one of those things Ihope they don't monetize either.
Like just give it to us.
Yeah, just give it, just give usmore D Man.
I can't be that hard.
Oh, maybe it is hard.
Maybe they're like, bro, haveyou ever developed a mobile
gain?
I'm like, I guess not.
But the next question comes fromMartin Lamb and it reads.
What do you guys think abouthaving so many new series fours
every season?

(01:20:43):
On one hand, new cards are good,but on the other, the amount of
resources needed to keep up acollection is huge.
By my calculations, a dedicated,free to play player that only
opens collectors packs thecheapest option, they'll still
be short, at least six K tokensevery season, equating to their
unknown cardpool, growing by atleast two cards each month.

Cozy Snap (01:21:06):
I think as long as they're not Uncle Ben, as long
as they're creative, as long asthey're, you know, adding not
just like obvious filth cards.
I, I'm good with it.

I mean, I don't think their goal is to add
like, actual garbage to thegame, but I've been surprised or
cards to just

Cozy Snap (01:21:21):
do something super similar and it's clearly like
just, you know, an understudy tothe other card, like the, the
fast dose of the world.

I mean, to be honest with you, in their
defense, how do you, like in theSpotlight Cash system, how do
you release a new Patriot card?
Like a bla like how do yourelease a one four blank?
Yeah.
You can't.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, no, like it's not, it's,that's not enough.
So a series 4, 1 4 blank card orwhatever that maybe goes in Evo
that, that's potentially cool,right?

(01:21:51):
Yeah.
Like.
I mean, actually the evil effectwould be why you'd roll the
caches on it, but I'm justsaying, you know what I mean?
Right.
Like there's some cards thatthey don't warrant the attention
of like a spotlight cache.

Cozy Snap (01:22:00):
Yeah.
And I hope that they stay.
Yeah.
Right.
Because then if you get like thefantastic car and you don't have
any of the other cars, like endof turn cards, you're like,
okay, I don't have any of these.
Like I can't do anything withthese yet.
But yeah, true.
They can release like morecompliment cards to our types
that already exist.

It's also worth noting that cozy and I, we
did discuss this when these snappacks were announced, the idea
of the hamster wheel with theadditional cards.
'cause I still believe that the,the problem with Marvel Snap has
never been the release or thecard schedule.
It's been everything around theacquisition of the cards.
And so releasing more cards, I,I don't know if that's solves
the problem.
It, it's, it's solving a problemwe don't have.

(01:22:38):
Right.
And so hopefully it just doesn'tmake the hamster wheel all that
more difficult.
But you know what, sir?
We have a question from VentusArius and it reads binged
friendly neighborhood,Spider-Man, and started
Expedition 33 this past weekend.
I was shocked to find out thatnot only does Charlie Cox, AKA,
the Daredevil himself voiceSpider-Man, he is also the voice

(01:23:02):
actor for Gustav in Expedition33.
Do you think that he would voiceDaredevil in Marvel rivals?
Also, do we deserve morecrossovers with voice acting in
games like Snap and Rivals?

Cozy Snap (01:23:16):
Great question.
Yeah.
You know, voice actors like MattMercer is one of my favorite
voice actors, and they just,they can do, they have a very
large scope.
Right.
Yeah, I think Rivals does areally good job at this.
Like, for instance, there, i,I'm blanking your name.
It's actually really hard tosay, but the girl who was gonna
play Squirrel Girl, they endedup cutting that show and then
they hired her to do it.
So like, they, they love to dothat kind of stuff and it'd be

(01:23:39):
pretty cool.
I don't know if they'll ever doCharlie K, like, it'd be like, I
think that pulls a great one.
Oh man.
I wish they could shell out andget Ryan.
'cause that's who I, you know,hear Deadpool as Right.
So yes and no.
They're expensive for a reason.
There's a reason why we don'thave like.
Direct MCUR and things likethat.
Because that's probably veryexpensive for second dinner.

Oh, I'm sure it is.
Like the ips and the rights tothings would be huge, but I
think that, like, especially ingames, I think that audio and
sound is often something that'sunderappreciated.
And when a game has an amazingsoundtrack or the sound is on
0.0 yeah.
Like it really makes adifference in the experience.
Just like the experience offorgetting to call someone back,

(01:24:21):
which Cato did bring up Alex andCozy arguing about the phone
call makes them sound like ahigh school couple.

Cozy Snap (01:24:28):
That's pretty much what we are at this point.

Pretty much, pretty much less physical
affection than I wouldappreciate, but that's a whole
other conversation as a wannalist, closes out the Snapchat
and as he said, at this point, Iwill buy inception for Alex.
We

Cozy Snap (01:24:44):
all will

Alex,

Cozy Snap (01:24:45):
we, and it is another week goes by you.
You just didn't watch it.

I got good news though.
I actually looked it up onAmazon Prime video and it's
actually free.
So I don't know why I thought Ihad to buy it.
It just makes me

Cozy Snap (01:24:58):
hit you more.

It's actually free, it's openly available and
I could have watched it at anypoint now and I went to watch it
last night, but the leaf wereplaying so I watched that
instead.
And I'm sorry, cozy.
I had to, I had to watch theToronto Maple Leaf, make it run
at the Stanley Cup.
Just like we're gonna make arunoff to I bad transition.
I don't know.
What are we running to Cozy?
Are we running

Cozy Snap (01:25:20):
off to Boston guys?
And we will not be able to do anin person Snapchat right now.
That's so sad.
Maybe

one day, man, maybe PAC's Prime will do it.
Ax, where's that one?
Seattle.
Got it.
Maybe we need to, we need tofigure this out.
We need to do, we should do likea thing where like.
Imagine having a live Snapchatmail bag.
I know.
We've that out.
You just nail

Cozy Snap (01:25:40):
questions at us.
ComicCon.
We'll buy out a room.
We'll, we'll make it happenhere.
And the ComicCon?
Yeah.
Why not?
Like the one that's coming?
Yeah.
Well, I don't think we, I thinkthey planned that out like a
year in advance.
Maybe.
Maybe, maybe the next one willbe washed up by them.
But we'll do it anyway.
Get like two people in.
But I've been

washed up for a years, so I'm ready.
Thank you

Cozy Snap (01:25:56):
so

much for watching everybody.
We appreciate each and every oneof you and we'll see you on the
next Snapchat episode.

Cozy Snap (01:26:01):
guys, thank you so much for coming to yet another
episode of the Snapchat.
This is proud your week andhopefully you guys enjoyed the
fantastic four conversationwe'll see you guys.
Then.
If you go to pass these, say hito Alex until the next one.
Happy snapping.

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