SNAPtember Card Rankings | Viv Vision’s Impact & More | The Snap Chat Ep. 147 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Cozy (00:00):
What's going on guys?

(00:00):
And welcome back to yet anotherepisode of the Snapchat.
We have a brand new season anda, I was gonna say brand new
Alex.
I don't know what that means,but after getting back from Pax
West, I'm sure you feel like abrand new man buddy.
Uh, how was it going out there?
How was it seeing Dexter, theSnap meetup and all?

Alex (00:18):
Oh, it was fantastic, man.
Like, uh, there was a lot ofpositive energy and uh, it's
crazy like you've been to PAXsbefore with me, and uh, the
amount of times you get stoppedfor people saying hello and that
they play Snap or they watch theSnapchat, I got a lot of still
watch the Snapchat, don't playSnap anymore, but love you guys.
You, you know what I mean?
It's so interesting how thatworks.
And, uh.
Yeah, it was honestly fantastic.
The Snap meetup was so great.
Uh, it was, it was first of allvery nice to see like, uh, the

(00:40):
people that play the game comeup.
And, uh, it was funny, someonehad brought like a whole bunch
of different cards and theyasked me in Dexter to sign the
one that I felt like I kind of,uh, identified with the most.
And they had a whole bunch ofdifferent Marvel cards.
And I ended up signing, uh, themultiple man,'cause I feel like
I, take on multiple roles in mylife.
And so it was kind of fun andlike, yeah, it was great talking

(01:00):
to, uh, to Glenn and the teamand, uh, Brady as well.
Like the, the, uh, the, theentire team had second dinner is
phenomenal.
And actually I have a couplethings.
I, so at that meetup, I was sosurprised by, um, someone who's
in our community watchedSnapchat, dapper Dave.
Okay.
And they had come up to me andthey said, Hey Alex, I have a
gift for you.
And I said, what?
And they handed me Cozy this,and this is, it's so heavy.

(01:23):
It's huge.
This is the omnibus.
I'm trying to get that right.
How Alpha it's a flight.
It's an alpha flight omnibus,and it is absolutely massive.
I'm trying to get the cameraright here.
It's absolutely massive.
Oh my God.
It is.
All the comics featuring the,uh, the alpha flight and I can't
wait to read it all.

(01:44):
And it's so funny'cause I saidI, I brought this book up to
Glen.
I was like, Glen, look, alphaFlight, we gotta have a season
dedicated to Alpha Flight.
And Glen looks at me, right?
And he's like, all right Alex, Igotta, he's like, a season's 10
cards.
He's like, can you name 10 cardsfrom 10, uh, 10 heroes from
Alpha Flight right now?
We'll do the season.
I was like, oh no, Sasquatchpuck.
And he's like,

Cozy (02:05):
I was gonna say there's no way.

Alex (02:06):
There's no way.
I couldn't make it Ted a lot.
I failed guys.
Teds a lot failed.
And he like, he's like, come on,Alex.
Wolverine's an awful flight too.
I'm like, ah,

Cozy (02:14):
dude.
That's sick though.
That's, that's a good time.
How was the meetup in all likehaving, you know, the, uh,
whole, whole room full ofsnappers.

Alex (02:21):
It, it was actually fun and it was great'cause everyone
was like, uh, actually justexcited to like, talk about Snap
and cards and stuff.
And, uh, the, uh, like thesecond dinner team was like
interacting with, uh, peopleasking questions.
It was funny.
I heard, uh, Glen asking like,you know, just like, like
players that were there, like,what do they think about this
card or this car too strong orwhatever.
Right.
And it was kind of interesting.
He actually asked, he said, Hey,like, do you guys find like that

(02:42):
misery is like, not op?
And then I was like, I don'tknow.
Right.
And he's like, I think it'spretty good, to be honest with
you.
I was actually thinking myselftoo.
I'm like, misery is actually oneof the low key silent, like,
amazing cards of Snap right now.
Right.
And it was so cool to see howthey were like engaging with
people and, uh, everyone wassuper nice.
And then while I was on the showfloor at Pax, someone else,
Jonathan, he was working the capcon booth and again, loves the

(03:04):
Snapchat.
Was was, he was he was lookingfor you as well.
Oh he gave me something reallyspecial and we're gonna do a
live opening right now.

Cozy (03:10):
Okay.
Okay.

Alex (03:11):
This here is, it's the cards.
Oh yeah.
That you can only get in China.

Cozy (03:17):
Dude, I looked for these so much when I was there to try
to get some of these to, to openup.
Okay, dude, crack this up.
How many are, is it one?
How many are in a pack?

Alex (03:23):
It's sealed.
I have no idea.
It's sealed.
I have not opened it.
I wanna make, I'm gonna open itright now and I'm gonna use
scissors so I don't, oh, can Iuse, should I use scissors?
I'm gonna use scissors just tomake sure I don't damage
anything.

Cozy (03:33):
Oh dude, I'm opening

Alex (03:34):
it right now for the first time.
Trying to put it on cameraslightly.
Forget that arrow.
You're

Cozy (03:38):
bringing that over for.
Oh my gosh.
I cut it in such

Alex (03:40):
a way where I didn't actually open it.
Okay.
I'm opening it right now.
Let's see who it is.
Alright.
I'm actually so nervous.
How many look in there?

Cozy (03:49):
Oh, okay.
The camera's not a focus, butit's Cyclops for sure.
Come on camera.
Oh, that's sick.
Get a camera.
Like, they're like almost.
Uh, it comes with the locationtoo.
That's so awesome.
What the heck?
It's like

Alex (03:58):
a stand and it's acrylic.
It's like a hard plastic.

Cozy (04:01):
That's a good one to get too.
Even though the, you know,cards.
Okay.
But that's, uh, man, I, I wish Icould've found those man that
was sick.
Shout out to, uh, what was hisname?
What was his name?
Jonathan.
Jonathan.
Jonathan.
Oh, it comes to something

Alex (04:12):
else.
It, something else just fellout.
Hold on.
This just fell out too.
So it's not just that it wasthis small one too.
Oh,

Cozy (04:17):
wait, there's more.
That's cool, man.
Look at the, yeah, it's like alittle pop out thing, dude.
That's perfect for like theseshelves back here.
I gotta get more of those, man.
I find any of'em for thatmatter.
Listen I saw a lot of those wearwe're Cozy, man.
I, I we are in the, we are inthe end, the end game here for
the, for the, the pregnancy.
And I am, dude, I'm a shell of ahuman to paint the picture.
I don't know why we decided todo this, but Alex, you are one

(04:40):
of, you have 20, 20 kids, 25.
How many approximately.
We decided to do to pottytraining this week, bro, that's
a, that's a whole level ofdifficulty.
I've never like pressed startand changed the difficulty in
life to what?
That, that's fun.
I mean, that's a lot of, that'sa lot of, you remember the days,
man, I'm sure you do.

Alex (05:01):
Oh, I remember the days, I remember the days of potty
training.
We're working on potty trainingnow and it's so funny'cause like
you basically have to pay themoff for using the bathroom at
this point.
Pretty much.
I mean, oh, pure.
You get a stick, you use thebathroom, you get a sticker, you
got five stickers, you get a toyat the dollar store

Cozy (05:15):
and it's like stuff you could only like imagine in the,
the chaos of it all.
So my son, you know, he is stilllearning, like number one, he is
got down number two, we'reworking on it.
We're working on number two.
Right.
So he, he, he does the de hehe's just pooping on the floor.
Just pooping on the floor.
So my wife's like, he's poopingwe gotta clean up.
So she's, she's cleaning it up.
Right.
She's also cooking breakfast.
Right.
So she's got, she's got thesausage cooking on the, so as

(05:37):
she is pulling the shorts down,she gets poop on her hand.
And it is, you know, you can'thave poop on the hand.
Not, I never, I was gonna say,not for a pregnant woman.
Never can have poop on the hand.
She sprays the chemicals on thefloor Okay.
To, to clean up the stuff.
But she's gotta go wash thenumber two off her hand.
So she yells at me.
The sausage is burning.
Sausage is.
This is wood floor, Alex, I'mbooking it.

(05:59):
I'm doing my best 40 time forthe stove, booking it, bro.
Just, and I, when I hit thatchemical on the floor that she
did not get the chance to wipeup.
I did the most Loony Tunes,cartoon network slip, like slow,
slow motion land in the poop.
And I was like, this is being adad.
This is right here.
This just in ca, this is why I'mnot at PAX West, uh, for those,

(06:20):
that that's what I was doingover here in sunny San Diego.
So, yeah, man just on the finalcountdown, I, this is, I think
this is the least amount ofcontent for anything.
I think rivals, I've done twovideos in a month, maybe two
months, or a month and a half.
Snap, you know, we're doing theSnapchat every other week.
So it's, it is, it is, uh, quitethe time.
And I would've rather gone toPax West, but man, I'm, I'm
happy you guys had a good time.

(06:41):
Dexter said he had a good timetoo.

Alex (06:43):
Oh, it was great being with Dexter.
Dexter's, such a chill guy.
Like he's one of those guys thatyou really like.
Unlike me, you can't bring meanywhere, but you can bring
Dexter anywhere.
It was so funny.
We were, uh, and what do I meanby that is, uh, so like,
obviously you made fun of me forthe fish tacos and stuff like
that.
So Dexter and I, we found a spotwe really liked for sushi.
So we got sushi for lunch twice.
And while we were eating sushi,he's like, yo, he's like, we

(07:04):
can't.
And when we have dinners withother people, we can't go to
sushi.
I said, why?
He's like, you have, what areyou doing right?
I'm like, what?
He's like, you're using a fork.
He's,

Cozy (07:11):
no, not for sushi, Alex, not for, and like,

Alex (07:13):
I kept, I kept dropping the, so I, I would get the sushi
with a fork and you know howlike you have the soy sauce?
I, it kept slipping off the forkand just completely submerging
in the soy sauce.
So I would like take it out andlike try to like shake it off.
He's like, yeah, we can't dothis with people in public.
No,

Cozy (07:27):
Dexter's a foodie at that too.
Like he, he's even above.
He like, he makes me feel badwhen I'm eating food.
He's like, like, how dare I ringsomewhere 10 stars?
And it was like, you know, itwas only a two in Dexter's boy.
He's a, he's a food snob.
Dexter, you're food snob.
I know you're listening.

Alex (07:42):
Yeah.
It, it was, it was honestly soawesome.
And, uh, it was great.
Like we, we spent a lot of timetogether and, um, again, he's,
he's such a chill dude, and he,you know, what?
He's also, he loves he loved alot of the indie games he saw.
And I think that, like, one ofthe small things that he did,
which I really appreciated, was,uh, we went to a couple places
where there was like, it waspretty quiet and he had a, you
have like the, the indiedeveloper playing their own

(08:04):
game, right?
Waiting for someone to walk up.
And Dexter did a great job oflike, kind of walking up, firing
them up a little bit, playingtheir game, hyping them up, you
know what I mean?
Getting them, uh, ready forlaunch, stuff like that.
Like, it was nice.
It was good to see, like, it wasone of those things where like,
you know, he just, he, he reallydid a good job of kind of
engaging with, uh, with thegames he was playing, the indie
teams he was kind of interactingwith and stuff.

(08:25):
It was really nice to see.

Cozy (08:26):
He's a gamer at heart man.
That guy, he's always playing,especially indie games.
He, that, that man plays a lotof, a lot of games.
We'll see how that changes.
Once, uh, his announcement, bythe way, you saw his
announcement.

Alex (08:36):
I did, I'm, I'm well aware of the announcement.
Yeah.
Dad, Dexter's gonna be, he'sgonna be a dad.
Dexter's

Cozy (08:39):
joining the dad side over here.
And me, me and Alex are justgonna just feast on the, a
enjoyment of watching this manbecome a father.
Both in the heart, but also justlaughing.
'cause first, first Dad painsis, is gonna hit like, it, the
streaming, trying to stream andbe a dad.
That's where it's gonna be fun.
Me and re just, we didn't last,Alex, I don't know how you're
doing it, but, we'll, we'll seewhere Dexter ends up.

Alex (09:02):
Yeah, it's funny because like, uh, I've always joked
about like, had I been in mylike twenties when I had like my
YouTube pop off and all thatkind of stuff.
Oh man, would, I've been able todo different, do so much more,
right.
It would've been a totallydifferent ballgame altogether.
But now it's like, uh, even withPax, you know, I had to come,
come home early'cause the kidsstart school and all this type
of stuff and like, you know, I,I start school like I gotta go

(09:22):
to work.
So it's like, you know what Imean?
Like, it's, it's a totallydifferent ballgame for sure.
And, uh, sometimes you have kidsthat don't sleep through the
night.
And you don't get to sleep.
And

Cozy (09:31):
sometimes

Alex (09:31):
it's all the time

Cozy (09:32):
that for sure.
I know that's the truth, but youknow, but you, you, you get
through it.
I can't wait to repeat the cycleover here, but listen, man, we
got a, we got a packed episode.
We, we've got nine minutes.
Some comment guy out there whofor by 200 episodes is not
grabbed.
The fact that we don't, we don'tjump right into the Snap talk.
I mean, come on.
We gotta, we gotta, uh, let the,let the meat settle.
I don't know what I'm trying tosay.

(09:53):
Let the, what's what's somethingyou let the weight go before
you, you do it.
I don't, dude, I don't know whatI'm saying.
Go by.
Help me out.
You gotta let the meat settle.
I'm, I'm also

Alex (10:02):
trying to figure out what you're saying.
Uh, the dust settle I think iswhat you're referring to.

Cozy (10:05):
No, no, no.
It's like the, when you wait forsomething.
Yeah.
It's like the let the meatsettle on the grill is what I
was saying before.
Guys.
I'm almost positive

Alex (10:11):
it's let the dust settle.
I know that usually like I'm theguy who's wrong here, but I
think you're wrong.

Cozy (10:15):
Eh, it is the dust settle.
It's just the meat can settletoo.
I don't know.
I'm definitely wrong.
Anyway, we've got Viv vision ournew season pass card.
Now, before we dive into herquickly August cards into
review.
We kind of already talked aboutwhenever I did my, uh, Cozy
ketchup.
You know, we had the fallen oneand we had the new Ghost writer,
so we talked about those tworecently too.
I guess Ghost writer.
Probably the best one to recapbecause we just had that last

(10:37):
week, Alex, as this tech carthat we thought would be plug
and play.
Where do you think it finallyended up overall in its play?

Alex (10:43):
Uh, I think he's good.
I think that overall, like ifyou want to kind of make like a
tech soup deck where you justmake everyone hate you, he's a
great addition to that.
He doesn't stand on his ownparticularly well'cause it's
very difficult and nearlyimpossible right now to use him,
um, as part of your own decksynergy.
It's basically like, uh, it'sbasically an FU card to your
opponent, right?
It's not a card that you canuse.

(11:03):
Like I had even, uh, like when Iwas testing the card myself, I
had this thought of like, okay,what if I have him, I have Red
guardian.
What if I use White Widow andwhat if I disable the, the
widow's kiss so that it can't bedestroyed anymore, right?
So it's clogging can't bedestroyed.
Negative four.
And it was almost never in thefront row for the thing to hit.
It was never like peopledestroyed it before.
I could play cosmic, uh, ghostRider.

(11:25):
So that wasn't really a synergyworth, uh, utilizing.
So there's that, right?
And I, I, it's one of thosecards that if you're gonna play
TechSoup Deck, he's probablyfine, but because he doesn't
have any inherent synergy forwhat your deck wants to do, he
might be one that sits at thewayside for a bit, despite being
probably okay.

Cozy (11:41):
My takeaway is we don't, we haven't really ever had a
tech card.
I mean, we do sometimes, butmost tech cards, they, they kind
of shine later in the season,right?
Like, or later in the game.
Like Red Guardian I think is themost apparent one.
Like, people were like, he'sfine.
And then obviously now it'sbecome such an insane card.
So like tech cards in general,the, the longer they've been
out, the more they kind ofadapt.
Well, not only cards coming out,but also just in general is my

(12:04):
takeaway.

Alex (12:05):
I wanna comment on that too.
'cause a lot of people saidlike, oh, streamers missed on
Red Guardian and stuff likethat.
And I remember saying he wasgood, but like you didn't have
to like fomo into him oranything like that.
But you also have to keep inmind that that was at a time
where we did not have the ex,like ex excessive power creep
we've experienced on two costcards.
Like Red Guardian became a mustplay because of what we are
seeing with Surge and Fanta attwo costs and everything else

(12:28):
that was happening.
Right?
Yeah.
We had such an inflection ofpowerful two drops that you
needed something to turn it offon the next turn and that's
where Red Guardian reallystarted to pop off.
But uh, but yeah, I mean withtech cars they always age like
fine wine.
They just always do because theyjust do.

Cozy (12:42):
And at the time too, I mean what we were talking like
Dracula was like one of thebetter things for Red Guard.
Like that was kind of where themeta was at whenever Red
Guardian did come out.
And so, yeah, definitely thingshave have shifted since then.
But we do have a brand newseason, Alex and oh man.
Before we jump into the cardsthemselves, how do you feel
about the cards overall?
Have you seen them, have you,have you gone over them yet?

Alex (13:03):
I have of, and it's like no Cozy.
Yeah.
I have not gone saying I'mtotally unprepared for this
podcast.
Sir, what's your thought?

Cozy (13:08):
What's your

Alex (13:08):
thoughts on them?
Yeah, yeah, generally I, mythoughts are I think this season
is significantly stronger thanthe last one.
Um, I think this is closer tothe fantasy season, but I
suspect the Fantastic fourseason is probably better
overall.
Like in terms of its generalpower level.
Like I think that fan, like Mr.
Fantastic is better than VIVision, but I think VI Vision is
a banger.

Cozy (13:27):
Yeah, for sure.
I think fantastic.
And Visible Women, it's hard tocompare to that.
But what I think was a cool callthat you did is like, this is
kind of like a new activateseason in the sense of like
really giving it its newidentity in a different way to
play it.
And so like, just like in turnyou've got that shtick and you
have strong cars.
So I do agree.
Let's start with Viv though, andI think, yeah, it's no secret.
Is this the five star of the, Imean, there's some really good
cards it's stop at, but this isthe five for sure.

(13:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Viv is a very, very goodcard here.
They already adjusted it fromwhat we even saw back in data
month a bit, but she's a three,two at this point.
Guys, three costs, two power atthe start of each turn.
You're gonna give all of yourcards in your hand plus one
power if you're winning here,which it's so funny, we called
out the winning here forever agoon Iron Patriot.

(14:09):
Now it's just on so many cars.
It's such a common text placenow.
'cause they can do a lot morewith it.
Otherwise, move this to anotherlocation, meaning Viv Vision.
So Alex plus one to your entirehand, starting at the beginning
of turn four is pretty, prettynuts, bro.
That's a crazy benefit thatcould work for all decks.

(14:30):
It

Alex (14:31):
is a fantastic benefit and, um, I think this card is
exceptionally powerful.
I think the move side is prettyinteresting too.
'cause if you don't trade, itcould move into a location like
alter of death where youropponent can't contest it.
It can go into Luke's bar, itcan go into Sanc, toum.
Like people aren't really payingmuch attention to the fact that
this has some ability to enterlocations where it'll be
uncontested.

(14:51):
Um, the other thing I reallylike about it is that, um, we ha
we've had this onslaught ofreally good tempo cards, right?
Um, like you are able to try to,cleanly win in like lanes with
hydration bobber.
You got bl the new Black Cat.
You know, you're in a situationwhere you can try to put up as
much power in those early turnsto guarantee a proc or two on V

(15:12):
vision.
Yeah.
And if they happen to flip it,then it moves.
It moves somewhere else.
Right.
Which is kind of fascinatingtoo.
And the fact that it's at thestart of every turn, not the end
of every turn, means that onturn six, when turn six rolls
over, it buffs everything inyour hand again.
So it has like a little thatadded versatility, right.
Of like, oh, it's turn six andmy car just got juiced.

(15:33):
Yeah.
Which might make it good forsome synergies, I'm sure we're
gonna talk about in a suck.

Cozy (15:35):
Well, and we saw before like you can also force hands of
someone to play somewhere theymaybe weren't planning on and
going up to a turn three.
You have a lot of time.
I mean, the first two turns toset up what you're trying to do
anyway.
Plus you also have just, we'reseeing more and more cars We
just saw fall in one for just aneasy example, like wanting that
power and, and we've talkedabout more of those.
We're gonna get better.

(15:56):
Those cards get, there's plentyof cards.
Mainly, uh, obviously Surferbeing just like a not just'cause
she's three cars, but alsothere's just brooded and, and
Sebastian Shaw.
Those are gonna be cars thatwant to have that power.
Dude.
Even things like, um, the, youwere very high on her long time
ago, but, uh, cla right?
So like a card that we've justbeen waiting to have something

(16:16):
that can passively get thingsworking for her.
Right?
That's another one.
So this is a very interestingcase of having that plus power
with not needing to do a lotbesides winning the location,
which is great.
And then you also have the, themove part.
So that's why it's just two forone man, I think she's gonna be
special.

Alex (16:33):
There's a lot of things you mentioned there, and I, I
wanna talk about them allbecause I've been really
thinking a lot about vividvision.
First of all, CLIA is a greatcallout, and CLIA is unique in
the sense because it can be inyour hand generating the value
without being on the, the fieldof play, which is really unique
in Snap.
We don't have a lot of cardsthat do that, right?
CLIA is unique from thatstandpoint.
One thing about Surfer, nowobviously you're talking to the
dude that wants Surfer.

(16:53):
Like if it's a three J, if it'snot even a three job, if I can
get anything in Surfer, the fuckI'm gonna try and do it.
The thing with VIS that I'llmention is that Surfer
traditionally does not pay muchattention to turns one and two.
And so as a result, there mightbe situations where VIS doesn't
actually get those pros off.
Like if you think about this andcompare it to, uh, adding Akia

(17:13):
to a Silver Surfer deck, Akiahas one additional power
guarantees.
The, um, guarantees the proc,right?
Which is cool.
However the thing is, is thatyou have to readjust what
server, uh, Silver Surfer lookslike.
'cause traditionally SilverSurfer was.
No one drop, two, two drops.
And then the rest is either uh,three drops.
And then you have galactic gupool and or, uh, Sarah if you

(17:36):
want.
So if you're gonna make a newSurfer deck, you're gonna want
something that competes andyou're gonna want something that
puts power and turns one andtwo.
So is there a chance, and I'mnot saying this is the correct
call, but is there a chancewhere you have something like a
Quicksilver domino style deckthat allows vis to pump the hand
you're likely, of course,because you're playing Surfer to

(17:57):
draw into turn three.
Could you do like a SilverSurfer wicked variant?
I was thinking about that.
What would Silver Surfer in awicked deck look like?

Cozy (18:05):
That's interesting,

Alex (18:06):
and I think that Viv vision might activate that
because Viv vision will allowyou to buff.
Brood.
It'll light a buff SebastianShaw.
And not only that, but I thinkthere's another card later on
that we'll be able to talk aboutrelated to Surfer two.
And when you add that in there,all of a sudden I think you have
this new take on what surferslook like.
Now, of course, I'm not sayingyou need to run Wicken, I'm just
saying that was an idea I had.

(18:26):
'cause you're gonna be doing theDomino Quicksilver and you're
May thinking, Alex, why wouldyou play Domino?
Why don't you play all theseother two drops?
And you absolutely can do that.
But Domino still represents fourpower and you can play vi vision
on top of that.
And so, yeah, I was justthinking about that and
wondering how vi vision can beplayed in a new style of Silver
Surfer deck.
And I think that it's one thatwants initiative and wants a
more aggressive turn one andtwo.

Cozy (18:49):
It's crazy to think how long kind of a base Surfer build
has been, uh, and how hard it isto change that build.
Right?
Like it's just been, we, we'vehad such the same staple format
and every now and then we getcars that can fit in there and
they fit okay in there.
But yeah, it's a good point withit like.
You know, even looking at, Ithink what's great about this
card is you look at the, theplus one, which makes her

(19:09):
working quite literally mostplay, right?
Because three two doesn'tmatter.
I mean, she's really helping outthe rest of your turns and just
flow.
But also on top of that even,and I don't think the move
thing, the move thing's nice forher.
I don't think you're gonna wantto do like, I mean, you could
maybe get away with like hydrostomper or Craven, whatever,
like you can do stuff like that.
Sure.
I don't know if that's gonna belike her true shining spot.
I think you can make that work.

(19:30):
I, I like her a bit better onthe ladder of what we've been
talking about with the pluspower cards.
Especially when we get into someof the other ones we're about to
talk about here.
Uh, but it's gonna beinteresting if she can change
kind of how Surfer plays and ifit can stick better either way
though.
She's just gonna be good inSurfer at the base build because
of Shaw as of Barod, uh, youknow, having these cards with

(19:51):
the synergy already, you know,

Alex (19:53):
with regards to the movement.
I did give that a lot of thoughtand I was like, okay, hydro
stomper.
The thing with hydro stompers isif.
If Viv vision's movingeverywhere, that means you're
not winning locations, right?
And so she's not ping theeffect, which is what you kind
of want.
So I don't like, so I was like,okay.
But I did think that like Bera,the leaper could be interesting
because if Viv moves, he goeswith her and gets buffed to then

(20:13):
almost guarantee the p proc onthat next term because you've
added so much power to anotherlocation, right?
And I wonder like, okay, can youmake a Surfer deck where you
have tro in there and could youdo something with the new human
torch?
And could you do something withSilver Surfer first, uh, not
Silver Surfer first steps?
Could you do something with, uh,human torch, first steps and all
this stuff, and then have tromove with vision?

(20:34):
And, uh, the vision of course,anyways.
All of it's theoretical.
I'm still working on some of thedetails here, but, uh, I do
think this is a particularlywell designed card.
I think it's gonna be acompetitive card.
I would be extremely shocked ifit was not in competitive Uh, oh
my God.
Whoa.
I'm have to edit that one.
Maybe you'll just leave that in.
No, that's, just leave that in.
That's

Cozy (20:52):
too, too good.
Competitive ahead.
You'll

Alex (20:54):
have to leave it in competitive decks.
So we're feeding engagement atthis point.
You have to kind of get her indecks and then of course, I
think she's gonna be performingwell because she's just gonna be
strong and I feel like.
She doesn't have the wide rangeapplicability that something
like hope Summers did.
Where Hope Summers, like I feltlike I could go in literally
anything.
The vision's not that, but we'vehad, you said it right at the
start, we've had so many decksand so many new cards that

(21:16):
really wanna play with aninitiative like Iron Patriot
right?
And everything like that.
So, yeah.
I like this card a lot.
I'd be shocked if it wasn't metarelevant.

Cozy (21:23):
Yeah, I think, I think she'll definitely be involved in
those decks.
There's no, no way around it.
A and on top of just helpingother ones really boost, you
know, at a baseline level.
And that's what we've seen fromthese cards.
Perhaps maybe you can even usethe next card to help boost some
of that movement a and or intoget God just to, things you need
to put together to make it workperfectly.
But we've got Sparky, the newpremium pass card.

(21:46):
Now we did wanna shout out.
Second dinner they have changedwhere the seasoned premium card
is gonna go right into the packsnow.
And then if you get the premiumpass, you're now going to get a
variant of the card.
So you've got, uh, which is,it's a pretty good variant.
I'm gonna be honest's a goodvariant giving, giving some good
Scooby do vibes.
Who doesn't like the animalcards in the game?

(22:07):
Uh, we got Sparky who's a twoone activate.
Give your card that last movedplus three power and move it
back to its previous location.
So it's an activate.
You do get the plus three.
And Sparky is definitelyinteresting.
I feel like we've been here withsome move cards before, uh,
where we go like, okay, there'sso much that you can do with it.

(22:29):
Will it work out?
What do you, what do you thinkof star rating?

Alex (22:32):
Star rating wise first.
I don't, did we get a starrating from you on Vis, because
I said five, I think you askedyou, but I don't think you
explicitly said I asked you.
Yes.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
So I just for my notes, just incase we had to go back to that
of course.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
A couple things worth mentioningabout Sparky, first of all.
Yeah.
The way they each kind ofmodified the way that it goes
into the pacs, I think theydeserve credit for that.
They did bump'em up from aseries four to a series five
though.

(22:52):
So it's like you get a win, youget a big step forward and then
like a little step back in somedegree there.
I think it's worth mentioningwith that'cause the, the super
premium season pass prior wasseries four, but I mean this is
overall a win for the community.
This is overall a much betterthing, but it is worth
mentioning.
And if you are someone who buysa super premium season pass, you
get the variant which shouldautomatically unlock the base.
So for someone like me who justbuys a super premium, just'cause

(23:14):
I always have, even for just thecosmetics, and this was before
they even added a card to it,it's cool because for me it's
like I'll pay the extra moneyand I'll save that 6,000 tokens
or the 5,000 tokens and'cause.
Every, everything's justexpensive.
And so if you can min-max it, gofor it.
Right.
Sparky, I'm going with a firmfour stars.
This is a card that I'm actuallykind of scared of.
I think this might be a silent,absolute crazy card and I wonder

(23:35):
if this is actually the fivestar of the month and I'll
explain why.
I think that they've been doinga lot of stuff to improve Move
specifically, and I think thatthey've been really trying to
rearrange move not only for Vivvision, but I think specifically
for Sparky.
I think the Viv vision is like amove adjacent card, but not
really actually a move card.
But if you think about what youcan do with Sparky at a two

(23:58):
cost, dude it's crazy.
I don't wanna steal all yourthunder.
I'll, I'll let you kind of chimein here, but, uh, I think Sparky
might low key be absolutelyfire.

Cozy (24:06):
Yeah.
I, I have a hard time thinkinghe'd be just because of the way
Move works in general.
I will say you are correct.
Like if someone has been gonefor six months, comes back to
Snap, they don't realize howmany little pieces of activating
this guy, let's say on lateturn, right?
And then you have Zorn or whatyou have things set up.
That could really just boostthat one card into, into going
some crazy stuff.

(24:27):
I just feel like overall I'm notsold on him being that I was
actually gonna go more towardsthree and a half area and all,
but there's been a lot ofmovement cards and so I can see
him going and popping off likecrazy.
Clearly there's so many cardsthat are just gonna love to have
the plus three on top of movingback to its previous location.
I mean, that's just such atwofold thing that you can do.

(24:47):
It being activates just thecherry on top.
So I'm gonna go, I, I feel likeI'm always the one that likes
the move carts too much.
They never end up or I kind oflike'em, but it being too one ad
activate.
I do see why you like it there.
And I think there's definitelysome cases you just brought up
even something like multiple manhuman torch.
Those things are gonna cook withthis, but yeah.
Where's your head going to makeit?
Five.

Alex (25:08):
I didn't make it a five.
I said a four.
If, if

Cozy (25:09):
you No, sorry.
That it could be like, could be,it has the, the potential

Alex (25:12):
Oh, like the, the ceiling on it basically.
Yeah.
Okay.
So basically, um, the reason whyI think Sparky might be legit is
'cause I, I was looking at, Ithink that activate in this case
is a superpower.
Yeah.
Activate sometimes can be alittle difficult to play around
with.
If you think about a board stateand this, and again, I'm not
like an avid move player,admittedly, right?
So like, my lines might not beas optimal as someone who just
plays move all day long.

(25:33):
But if I just think aboutsomething like a dream line of
like, you have irania, you havesparky, and then you have the
new human torch, right?
The way that should work is thatyou should be able to activate
irania plea.
Um, the human torch activatessparky.
The human torch would've beenthe last car to have moved.
You'll move that human torchtwice with the Sparky and the

(25:55):
Iran while adding power.
And that in and of itself iscrazy.
'cause you can like, and if I,and if I kinda like messed up
the order a bit there, I mean,we're not, I think whatever I
think you, I think you say,right?
I think I said it right, butlong story short, it's like
you're able to use the theactivate to stack the movement
in such a way where you canchain together these massive
movements on a card that nowdoubles.

(26:16):
Think about that change to humantorch and the fact that this
adds plus three power.
We've never had a card in MarvelSnap ad plus three power without
it getting nerfed, essentially.
I, and there's gonna be someexamples, but

Cozy (26:25):
I agree.
The only thing my, like, I'dalmost go the multiple man
route, only because I don't likethe, the chance of torch going
in.
Elena, I didn't need him and, orlike.
There's so many things that I'mnot gonna say can go wrong, but
that's the problem.
Like you get a lot of power inthat car.
Do you even need all that?
Right?
Whereas multiple man, it's likeyou do the irania into the plus
three here, and then you'restarting to get like multiple
man staying where he was goingto a new one.

(26:46):
And I like that finish a littlebit more because of the
randomness being away.
It's not as high and as sexy,but that's probably why I had
my, my scare on him was becauseof that hole.
Like you can't really choosewhere he goes and you can set it
up beforehand.
You have to have the rightcombos and cards.
But yes, it does have that crazypop behind it.

Alex (27:05):
And I actually wonder how this would work with Viv vision,
uh, because, um, if Viv visionmoves after losing, you activate
this, it'll move back to itsprior location and then it'll,
it'll start to turn win the oneit moved to probably, maybe,
right?
Because it moved when it lostfrom, maybe it moves to when it
wins from, and then it'll flyback with plus three power to
the other one.
And so all of a sudden Vivvision becomes this moving, like

(27:27):
almost feels like a phoenixforce where you's like you're
trying to track it as it movesacross the battlefield back and
forth.
I don't know.
I, I think that Sparky, onceit's in the hands of like a
true, like move expert, whichadmittedly, as I said, I'm not
could find some very powerfullines and that plus three power,
plus a move activation isparticularly strong.
And we're not even talking aboutstuff like Topaz and fan fan fe

(27:49):
and everything that has beenadded to the game thus far.

Cozy (27:50):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, having Topaz down and,or, and having like, you can
have a lot of pre-set up, uh,that, that can make this work.
Ultimately, how much is thepayoff?
What do you have to do?
That's, that, that's where myhesitation comes in.
But yeah, I do think Sparkydefinitely has, has a shot to,
to do something pretty crazy.
And move, as we've seen, has,has continued to go up and up in
different builds differentshells.

(28:11):
Moving on from Sparky, Alex, wehave, uh, what is it?
What is our, what's the nextone?
Gimme the order here.
Uh, Moyer XI believe.
Moyer X is really?
Yeah, that's what I have on thelist here.
Okay.
Moyer X guys one cost, two powercard.
Alex and I talked a lot aboutone cost last week and kind of
like it is, we've had the hoodthere for a long time.
There's a couple cards thathave, have been crowned as the

(28:33):
king and queens of one cost.
Can anything come in and shakeit up?
Couple interesting ones.
This season when this isdestroyed, get a copy of your
opening hand and, uh, man Ithink this is such a cool card.
I think this is a very fun cardand I like the setup
capabilities of it.
I don't know how great it'll be,you know, I think the opening

(28:53):
hand thing.
There's a lot of randomness toit, and by then, I don't know if
you absolutely need that.
I think there's gonna be somecool combos you can pull off,
but I think it's awesome to pullthis something together with
like a Quinjet Victoria.
What a Victoria hand is copiedtoo.
So like all that stuff is kindof cool.

Alex (29:11):
It is cool.
There's a couple things thatlike really jumped to mind.
First of all, this is one of thecard arts that I looked at and
had to double take because I waslike, this doesn't make sense.
'cause Moira's a scientist rightnow, I've watched enough X-Men
to know that Moira and ProfessorXavier have some sort of long
lasting, uh, interaction.
And, um, I'm just like, whatkind of scientists walks to
their wardrobe, says, give methe rogue throws on the jumpsuit

(29:33):
and is like, I I need the trenchcoat too.
Yeah.
And then throws the trench coaton top, like, what is going on
with this art?
Like, what is she wear?
Like I know that like, I'm not,like, I literally have like the
dad shorts and the Costco socksand stuff like that, but I feel
like my getups make more sensethan this one.

Cozy (29:45):
It is quite the, it is quite the superhero gub.
I feel like it's like two, twouniforms in one over here.
But, uh, yeah,

Alex (29:51):
exactly.
It's like a mashup of uniforms.

Cozy (29:54):
It's like, it's like the Clark Clint, uh, trying to like,
blend in, put Clark, Clint Clarkin trying to blend in and like,
but everyone knows it's him.
It's like, oh, I'm just aregular person.
It's like, why are you wearingthat underneath it?
You know?
What do you, what do you, whatare you doing as a card though?
I think it's just a, it's gonnabe a fun combo piece.
I don't know.
I, I'm not, I'm not sold.
Is there, what, what is thecombo I'm missing?

(30:15):
'cause I, I'm not sold that thisis gonna be too crazy.

Alex (30:18):
So star rating.
I'm having a hard time.
Yeah.
Um, I don't like doing pointfives.
I want to, I'm thinking twos,but the thing is is I, there's
other cards coming out thatwe're gonna be talking about
next, which I think this cardand the next one might give
Victoria a hand enough of aninfusion of potential power that
those whole decks might rise andMoira might be apart there.

(30:40):
So it's hard.
I see a floor of two.
I see a ceiling of maybe in thethree range.
I dunno, this card's one of theones I've had a harder time
wrapping my mind around.
'cause you're also getting youropening hand back.
So that might be cool.
But like, it's not the same asdrawing through your deck,
right?
Like, you're getting cards thatyou might have already used back
and like, do you need black catagain?

(31:01):
Like, I, it's, and also you haveto destroy it.
This has the same problem aslike combo pieces like elixir
and air walker.
Yeah.
And all those things where it'slike you can't just, you just
can't like put it down.
The only major synergy I see.
Sorry Kate.
I'll let you go then I'll talksynergy.

Cozy (31:18):
No, I was just gonna say if, if there was like activate
this destroys itself and you geta copy of your opening hand,
like if, if it had that selfimplode thing, like then I would
actually really like it.
'cause it's like this, likemaybe you don't draw what you
want.
Whatever.
Right.
Like you're able to, to startcooking up.
But yeah, then it's like youhave to hybrid your deck enough
to blend into the Kao piece tomake it work.
You can't try too many sexysynergies at once.

(31:39):
Uh, and so that, that isprobably where my line, I think
two is right?
I don't even think two and ahalf.
I think two is probably aboutfair.

Alex (31:46):
This is so funny.
This is such a random thought Ihad when you said that about
like self imploding.
I'm like, what kind of Marvelcharacter would probably work
best as like a self implosioncard.
Okay.
And then I don't know why, butSouth Park came to mind and I
thought like imagine there waslike a South Park Marvel Snap
crossover and there was a cardcalled Kenny.
And it just blows up.
And as it, it's like, oh my God,they killed Kenny.

(32:07):
And then it implodes and thenlike, like implode and create a
new card and the new card comesout and they, and it yells you
bastards as it runs and like thenew card hits the thing.
I think that would've beenfunny.
Anyways, that's my contributionto the Snapchat there.
So, okay.
I've been thinking a lot aboutthis card because like, I don't
like coming in with like a verylukewarm, like, I don't really
know thing.
'cause this is a podcast a lotof people listen to and we gotta
do our research.
Damn it.

(32:27):
But like, so you, you have LDSthat can activate this.
You have skill marker that canactivate this.
But like, we actually jokedabout it prior, like misery,
right?
Like, misery can't activate thisbecause it's not non reveal.
So like misery is kind of theking of those decks right now
and that can't really go there.
So I kept trying to figure outlike, who's the deck?
Like where's the deck?
This might be cope, but I wannathrow a dormammu for a second.
Dormammu can destroy this,right?

(32:49):
So like, you can, you can getthe Destroy two cards thing to
summon Dormammu.
What if Dormammu was in youropening hand?
I don't know.
I don't know the answer.
That's interesting.
Will you replicate Deramus andthen some in multiple

Cozy (33:03):
SDU Mamas, the plural version of Do Mamu that everyone
of course knows.
That's interesting.
Of course.
I like that take like the onlything I was cooking up was like,
kind of like, I don't know.
The death kill, by the way, Ilove how you said LDS and
Killmonger, like if someone'snew to Snap, they like, you just
talked like a different languageto them, lady Death strike and
kill hunger.
But yeah, if like the classicdeath deck with the ones, I

(33:24):
thought this was kind of coolbecause you have the ones anyway
that are cheap and then you canlike, kind of like really abuse
like some of the power therepotentially if you can line it
upright and then you're able todestroy that without even
trying.
I think that's kind of a coolthing.
You get the offense defensegoing death, maybe death is in
the opening deck, so then youget two deaths and then you can
play both in the, I don't know,that's the only one.
I thought that'd be kind of likea fun way to play it.

(33:44):
Uh, but yes, the door mom, themom eyes, uh, that, that is a
strong possibility.
But I still think too, isprobably where I land.

Alex (33:53):
But the, the other thing is though, is like, think about,
first of all, this feels, Idon't wanna say it's power creep
on Moon Girl, because it MoonGirl doesn't require an
additional activation.
And you can control what's inyour hand with Moon Girl to some
extent.
Whereas Moira can't, the onlything I'll say though is think
about Victoria and Collector.
Collector gets a, gets juicedwith this, right?
It's pretty cool what Collectorcan do.

(34:14):
And what if Moira starts in youropening hand and you destroy
Moira?
Does Moira come back?
I'm assuming so.
Yeah.
I think so.
Mm-hmm.

Cozy (34:22):
So then you can, okay.
That's kind of interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's not, I don't hate it.

Alex (34:27):
I got, okay.
I, again, I was trying to leaninto stuff for this, this card.
Uh, is this mad thinker cope?
Like, can you fill your hand byreplicating your opening hand
and have mad thinker in it?
Then have multiple mad thinkerscracking off.

Cozy (34:39):
No, don't, don't make mad thinker.
Okay.
It's too stupid.
Okay.
No, it's not too stupid.
I just.
I just don't think it'll, I justdon't think you'll play it.
You know, I think it can happen.
Reason, I think it can happen.
Yeah.
But I, I, I'm not sure if youcould play it, but I, you know,
I, I like where you cook it up.
I do think Victoria hand is nota bad shot though.
I think that if you are able tolike, have the perfect lines,
that you can have some prettycrazy things even with maybe
even collector or what have you.

(35:01):
Next up though, bro, this is a,this is a big one for those
that, uh, have watched a certainseries over here.
Alex, I'll let you read it off.

Alex (35:10):
Four, three Bastion on reveal.
Add copies of your other cardshere to your hand.
Set their costs to two and theirpower to three.

Cozy (35:19):
Bastion is coming to the game.
And lot of potential cerebrallove, by the way, this season.
Don't know if you, uh, picked upon that Ashton.
Dude, that's a fun ability.
That's, that is right therewhere you look at the fun and
the power level.
And I think he's definitelyinteresting.
I think he's good.
I like this card a lot, man.
I'll probably go towards thefour.

(35:39):
I'll probably settle at four.

Alex (35:42):
So in the X-Men animated the uh, series, this is the guy
that makes the sentinels right?

Cozy (35:47):
Have you not, have you finished the show?

Alex (35:50):
Which one?
The new one?

Cozy (35:51):
Yeah.

Alex (35:52):
I'm on like the last two episodes of X 1 97.
Can watch that,

Cozy (35:54):
watch that.

Alex (35:55):
Watch that first.
Okay, because I wasn't sure,like, isn't the original one.
Is this the guy that beefedwith, uh, with uh, what's it
called?
Uh, apocalypse.
Um, yes.
Mm-hmm.
Is he the same guy?
Yep, the same guy.
Okay.
That's what I thought it was.
Okay.
But I saw him like, is this theguy from the apocalypse version?
Anyways so Bastion, this isanother card that like, I'm kind
of like, I have a bit of a rangeon.

(36:15):
I feel like this is a firm th Iwas gonna say three and a half.
I could see the sitting fourmaybe.

Cozy (36:20):
Okay.

Alex (36:21):
I don't wanna say four, but I see the upside.
First of all, I like the idea ofsetting a two, like a two three,
which is a general good statline for cards like this.
But this, the fact that it's afour three.
Is painful for anything outsideof cerebral, right?
Like it's, it's a really awfulstat line and I think that makes
it difficult.

Cozy (36:41):
I think he will fit in well the decks that he's
supposed to be in.
And outside of that it is toomuch commitment for the
forecast.
I do agree there.
I think the, I given the fourfor how I think he'll settle
into those decks, but you'reright, anytime we've seen this
so many times before, it's likethis, this card that's over
commitment on four and you haveto have like really perfect
things kind of happen for it toend up working the way it should
and would that being said too, alot of, lot of knobs to adjust

(37:03):
here on the card, which I likeif he doesn't quite land there.
Um, but I just think there'senough cards to capitalize and
creativity.
I think this is gonna be areally fun release week card to
see what people cook up becausehe's got a lot of, got a lot of
juice to him and yeah, Cerebrobeing one of'em for sure.
Obviously.

Alex (37:19):
Yeah.
And one thing I will mention isI do like, so we have a lot of
hand generation here, right?
So we had the Moira.
Now Moira, while it is gonnagenerate stuff from your deck,
it is random in a sense becauseyou can't control what's in your
opening hand.
If you could, that would bepretty overpowered.
So now you have Bastion.
Bastion.
You can control what you copy,right?

(37:39):
Because you're playing it ontothat location.
However, it's also very relianton card draw.
If you don't draw, like forinstance, getting a cerebral
down on three is cool becauseyou can bastion that cerebral,
three cerebral becomes a two,three, that busts itself and
also doubles.
Doubles the cerebral effect.
That is really cool.
And it almost removes the needfrom mystique in a deck like
that, right?

(38:00):
However, what if you don't drawcerebral by turn three?
Think about the other stuffyou're playing in a deck like
that.
They will already likely havetheir power set to three.
And the other thing is you'replaying this on four.
So something you play on turnone might be a one three or
whatever, right?
Turn two, three.
I guess something you play ontwo might be a two three.

(38:21):
So do you play it on turn fiveafter you sneak out an Ironman
or something like, you know whatI mean?
It's, the lines I think aretricky with it.
I see the cerebral one, but it'severywhere else where I have
some question marks and in thecomments, if you guys have some
beautiful Strat, let us knowbecause uh, I would love to see
it.

Cozy (38:36):
Yeah, I feel like when it comes to C3, like the only cars
that you,'cause if you look atlike what you could get cheaper
if it's not cerebral, I thinkthat's one of the issues.
Like you can maybe get like alittle bit of a cheaper, like
neonic maybe, uh, a littlecheaper Cosmo, whatever, uh,
Cosmo, something like that.
But for the most part, you'reright.
I don't know if that will lineup all the time.

(38:56):
Um, but yeah, I don't know.
Maybe four is probably too high.
I do feel like that is probablytoo high though.
I do, I think I agree with younow.
I think the problem is wherehe'll work outside of certain
decks.
I think.
By the way, cerebral is just oneof them.

Alex (39:09):
But yeah, of course.
I was just gonna say, people inthe comics are probably like,
yo, are you missing obviouslythe Victoria hand deck?
Like Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Uh,

Cozy (39:15):
so I, that has the hesitancy is some of the card
draw and it being four just ingeneral.
4, 4, 3 though.
I don't know man.
I think he's got a shot butmaybe is towards more three and
a half than four.

Alex (39:27):
We kind of said it like a joke, but realistically Victoria
hand, like if you so much ascopy Quinjet Victoria hand, like
that's a lot like Quinjet two,three Victoria hand.
Well, you know, whateverVictoria hand gets becomes a two
three in your hand, but you geta second hand.
The way I said a sentence is soawkward.
You get a second Victoria hand.
And then you could like playthem together.
And then you can moonstone,right?

(39:49):
Think about it like the, thenall of a sudden things are
popping off.
Like, so there is potential inthe Victoria hand stuff like,
don't get me wrong, likeespecially with the moonstone
doubling or the Dublin.
But then if you're playing Bwhen you're playing moonstone,
doubling double, and then yougotta get stuff on the field of
play.
But then you got the quinjeteffect happening, so
everything's cheaper.

Cozy (40:05):
You might

Alex (40:06):
get,

Cozy (40:06):
I don't know, man, it's possible he might get hit with
that 13th card and a 12 carddeck feeling, and that that
could be his fate.
But uh, time, time will tellwith him.
Next up Alex is it human torch,right?
That another human torch.
Uh, Jim Hammond, the humantorch.
I can't believe we have yetanother human.
We're just getting flooded withthem.
Jim Hammond a human torch.
We got another one.
Cost two power card at the startof each turn, plus one power for

(40:30):
each bonus energy you have.
And I'm not saying like MadThinker's not a great car.
I'm not saying some of theseones that, you know, you can get
scaling power.
They, they've been trying tomake it work.
It hasn't really worked thusfar.
I don't know.
I think, you know, fall in one.
I'm just saying you could cookup, fall in one and probably get
this guy to really cool scalingstuff.
And there's a couple, there's acard obviously that we'll talk

(40:53):
about in a moment that, that,that, that's gonna help this,
uh, uh, a tad bit too.
One, two, go into one.
I mean, I think you can get theaverage synergy in the deck.
He's super narrow.
Super narrow.
So that's, that, that'sobviously a concern.

Alex (41:07):
I think this card's flaming feces.

Cozy (41:09):
Yeah, I mean, flaming feces is a, that's a statement.
That's a feces on fe poop onpoop.
Poop on On what, what does hesay?
What, what does his, his dlec,

Alex (41:18):
I have no idea what he's gonna yell.
But this is a also, and Irealize was looking at this, is
this the reason why they movedthe human torch to three costs?
Like, is this why let's behonest, but then we have, we
have another three costs.
Human torch.
There's too many freaking humantorches.
Too many human torch.
There's one thing, so I actuallyhad written down the fallen one
too, and then as you were sayingthat, I was thinking, I don't
know if the fall one counts asextra energy because it says

(41:39):
fallen one's, text says setright.
Whereas like Luna Snow addsenergy to the turn.

Cozy (41:46):
Okay,

Alex (41:47):
WIC and adds energy to the turn.
I don't know if fallen one addsenergy to the turn.
I'm actually not sure.
I don't know how thatinteraction would work.
I, I wish I should have askedGlen before this, I actually
don't know, because that wouldbe cool.
Like we joked about it, like wejoked about last week, how like
Maki got 41 energy on a, likehuman, the human torch would
like that, right?
And he would absolutely absorbthat, but I don't know if

(42:09):
setting is the same as bonusenergy.

Cozy (42:11):
Yeah, that's the beautiful, it's just, that's the
beauty of the, the old figuringout the text in Marvel Snap.
Uh, yeah.
I mean if that doesn't work,then that definitely, that
definitely hurts a little bit.
Again, I, I think he is to, likeI said, he's narrow in those
decks anyway.
Those decks have other optionsto play at them.
I think he can go above and getsome decent, decent lines going

(42:33):
if you happen to pull things theright way.
I do think he's the weakest ofthe season though, for sure.

Alex (42:38):
Yeah, he's like a one two for me.
Like, I can't, I don't thinkthis is a card worth chasing
unless there's an obvioussynergy we're missing.
Uh, RA I think has potentialhere, like hum turn three extra
power consistently, like RA's,extra power.
And so that'll work.
And this will just be free realestate there, which is kind of
cool.
Uh, WCAN obviously.
But the thing with Wcan is like,do you really wanna play a Wcan

(42:59):
deck without Quicksilver?
Like, you actually, if you playJim Hammond, that means you're
playing a bunch of one drops,right?
Yeah.
Like, you gotta do the math onhow many one drops you're gonna
play.
If you're playing Wcan, youwould usually play wcan and then
minimum four, two drops.
If you're not playing Domino,four, two drops at a minimum to
try to get that effect running.
But like, we had so many goodtwo drops, it didn't matter.
We had Fanta surge, everythinglike that.

(43:21):
I don't know, man.
I, I don't see it.
I don't see this being a goodcard.

Cozy (43:25):
I'm gonna say two.
I think the one you want two.
I think if he was gonna be superbad, he'd be like a one three as
his start out.
And then maybe Ghislaine madehim one two.
'cause there's a couple deckswhere he, he might have his
shot.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go twoon him.
I think there is a world, but Ithat is based on the following
one that is based on the followof one.

Alex (43:44):
Uh, yeah, I, I agree.
And we don't know if the fallenone's gonna work with him.
Like that's one of those thingswe don't have clarification on.
This might be one of those cardsthat when the, um, the, the week
four this card comes, if JenHammond is coming we are able to
get more clarification fromsecond dinners team.
People are gonna ask questions,team answers, stuff like that.
And so we might be able toadjust, we will be able to
adjust our scores and rankingsat that point.

(44:05):
But if it is like we think it isnow, if fall, especially if fall
in one does not count as extraenergy, I would be very
concerned with this card.
Yeah, for sure.

Cozy (44:13):
We've got some really good ones to talk about.
There's so many cards that comeout in a season.
That's crazy.
My God.
Warlock is one of them though.
First of all, just purenightmare fuel right here, guys.
Three.
Three.
Good God.
This is something.
Activate Alex.
For each unspent energy, give acard in your hand.
Negative one cost.

(44:34):
Dude, I'm all about this card.
I think this is such, I love it.
A such a cool design.
Love that your opponent doesn'tknow what's going on.
Love that you have the, um, theability and choice to use it
when you need to to go into it.
Something like on a turn, turnfour, turn five.
Turn five is crazy.
Going into turn six and justreally surprising your opponent.

(44:55):
Yeah, it's activate but it's athree.
Three.
I, dude, this is, yeah, this isa four and a half to me.

Alex (45:00):
This, I'm near four and a half the, so the concern I have
that ke I, I'm gonna go four.
I love this card.
I think this is a really coolcard.
It's just playing it.
The activate here is trickybecause you definitely want it
down on turn four.
It's not the kind of card thatyou want on turn five either,
right?
Because it's going to your handand therefore you wanna be able

(45:22):
to a activate on turn five,which means it has to be out on
turn four.
Yeah.
Two.
So it's windows even tighterthan most right.
Because you want to discountyour hand going into the final
turn.
So even though it's a three,like some threes you can get
away with playing on five.
Like at most activate cards yougotta get out by five.
But this one you gotta get outby four.
Yeah.
Yeah.
'cause if it's not on the field,the play by five, you can't pump

(45:45):
your hand for turn six, right?
Oh yeah.
Because pumping your hand afteryou play cards.
So yeah, that was one littlenuance where I was like, oh man,
I love this card, but it doeshave a smaller window than most
activates, you know what I mean?

Cozy (45:55):
For sure.
I think in the worlds of justplaying a magic old she knot
deck with sunspot, to me, I, Ijust think it's because that
deck is so cool and so stronganyway.
And the fact that you could playthat down, go with the war, luck
and skip to get the She Hulkdown anyway.
Play the inance, have all thebonus, bro.

(46:16):
This thing would go crazy inthat deck.
And then you could have magic togive it a little bit more room
too.
So like, maybe you don't pull itin time while you gotta pull
some cards.
Maybe that's magic.
And then you can play that outto extend it.

Alex (46:26):
Cozy.
Did you know that in atournament?
There it is.
I played a she knot deckfeaturing Kang.
Did you really?
That did you really?
I had to bring it up.
It was just too quick.
I had to, but uh, what I thoughtis actually, I don't think those
decks play magic.
I was thinking a lot about this.
I was thinking about how likeshe knot specifically, one of
the challenges those decks hadwas that if you float five

(46:46):
energy on turn five.
She, uh, the Hulk, the sheHulk's always still one.
You can never combo.
She Hulk with Finon.
Now, you would be able to kindaget around that with Luna Snow,
with hope Summers and like,there's ways to kind of juggle
around that.
What I find interesting withWarlock is if you have a line
where you play, like on turnone, you play the sunspot, turn

(47:07):
two, you play I don't know,Bruce banner or turn three.
You throw down Warlock turnfour, you throw down Cyclops,
pew, pew turn five, you skipfull skip pew, pew Warlock does
the thing.
It's probable.
Your, that your, uh, she, uh,she Hulk will actually get hit
by one of these pros and go tozero cost.

(47:29):
Allowing you to sneak her outwith anything else.
But moreover, let's say shedoesn't get hit.
If fin gets hit, it's now five.

Cozy (47:37):
You

Alex (47:38):
know what I mean?

Cozy (47:38):
Exactly.
So that's where I thought thatworked.
But my there was, I I'm tellingyou, bro, back in the day,
remember the S lock you would dolike sidelock, you would have s
lock in this deck too becauseyou'd have the chance to get
the, the six Energy on five asyour alternate play.
And then getting two of thosecould kind of cook two and then
you would do some tech cards inthere.
Like, that was such a fun deckwith Magic back in the She Knot
days as like an alternate planthat you would run.

(48:00):
And, and then you were kind ofon this, like, you were like
this defensive built deck,right?
'cause you have your opponentkind of throw out everything
that they have.
And then, uh, that heck thatdeck used to run Moon Girl
sometimes.
Like, it was a weird.
Kind of cook of a deck, but Ifeel like I would definitely
throw in, but potentially evenJennifer Kale.
Heck, how maybe you throw in thefricking human torch we just
talked about, but having cyloedto be able to help get that

(48:21):
energy and then you're reallyhelping yourself out.
But that's even if warlock justdoesn't come on curve, and then
you can do the thing.
Anyway,

Alex (48:29):
I like that call.
And actually the Moon Girlversion, I believe I played at
Snappy Clause if I can remembercorrectly.
Lot lower on the Simpson.
Simpson.
I'm, I'm, I was thinking there.
Slo I think I, I, I know exactlywhat you're talking about.
I wonder if SLO in 2025 and thattype of deck is replaced with
Jennifer Kale or both'cause ofJennifer Kas.
Yeah.
Or both, I guess.
Yeah, it's true.

Cozy (48:50):
Oh yeah.
Oh man.
And then it's just like, can youget.
Can you get the cards andbecause then you really need she
not or infinite.
What's that?
Stupid ass card.
Oh, Thunderbolt Ross.
That even throw that guy inthere, bro.
Get, make sure you get yourcards you need.
No, I I I think there'sobviously that, that deck, why
it's so cool is the, the windline is so small.

(49:10):
Like there's just a couple ofcards that make that win.
So there's a lot ofexperimentation you can do in
that deck.
Like there's a lot offlexibility.
I think Warlock would fit rightinto that, but I do agree
outside of that deck, he's justa bit harder to pull off.
You only have a couple turns.
He is a three three, but yes.
Tough to tough, tough to makehappen.

Alex (49:26):
One thing I will say as well is that I think Warlock,
and I'm not sure if this willprecisely work, but with Viv
vision, I wonder if Warlockcould be an alternate C card.
Yes.
And Surfer a hundred percent.
Instead of like, what, like whatdoes Silver Surfer look like if
you skip turn five or not evenskip turn five, like that's, you
skip it.
But what if you just.

(49:47):
Play a card on turn five, play athree drop, you're still
floating two and you're stilldiscounting two.
Is that

Cozy (49:53):
enough?
For sure.
And it's not next turn thereminus one cost.
Like you, you could get that outand, and try to make that work
as quick as possible.
I think it's completely fine howwe used to run a rogue and
Surfer, and then if it was justlike an empty card, it's like I
get, obviously that doesn't workanymore.
There's too much power creep,but you could just buff up the,
like you at least had somethingto do with the buff up there.
Three, three as the, as.
The pure minimum stat line isnot awful.

(50:14):
And in surf you're guaranteed tohave other plays anyway, so it's
like you get'em on curve, you'rereally cooking on turn six.

Alex (50:21):
The way I was thinking about it now, obviously Sarah's
five power being applied to theboard.
So you add five power to theboard and essentially in Silver
Surfer you're discounting yourboard state by three.
'cause each card you're playingthree, two drops.
So you get three extra energyessentially on turn six warlock
is technically five extraenergy.
Or you play two drop and you getthree extra energy.
However, it's randomly hittingcards so you can't, like Sarah's

(50:44):
a guaranteed one discount acrossthe board guaranteeing that any
three drop can be going down attwo.
Yeah.
But then

Cozy (50:50):
you, you probably have a pretty thin, you, you probably
have a good hand to be able todetermine what you do.
I almost feel like you'd want tohave this turn, skip beyond
four, like play him on three.
Well wait, yeah, yeah.
Ten one three activated.
And then on five you're notforced to play like a two and a,
I don't know, you could maybemake it work a little bit better
than going into six.
Not all the time, but I feellike what does that look like if

(51:10):
you do it on four compared tofive?
Either way.
I, I get what you're saying.
I think both these could be veryinteresting in Surfer, like
we're gonna have some new Surferbuilds coming out and that
definitely excites me.

Alex (51:19):
And it's kind of cool too with warlock that like, even if
you're just off curve, butyou're open the rest of your
hand, like, you're like, oh, I'moff curve on turn four, but I, I
have like spiderwoman for onfive and Hulk on six.
You're like, well, I may as welljust activate this now because I
know my curve out on six andfive.
And then maybe you top Xsomething you can use,

Cozy (51:38):
bro, this, this card art, the variants are already gonna
be just slapping.
Listen bro, if this one doesn'tget you excited, I know the next
one, Alex, read it for theviewer's next card up.

Alex (51:49):
It's, uh, Yokota, which I think is how that would be
pronounced, is a three three.
It reads, activate immediate,immediately activate your other
cards here without using uptheir activat abilities.

Cozy (52:01):
Yo, this is a crazy card, bro.
It is.
This is so fun, man.
This is awesome.
I think this is exactly whatwe've needed for the archetype.

Alex (52:10):
Yes.
And the fact that it's stat atthree three, which obviously is
a very weak stat line, showcaseshow powerful this can be.
I think now we're gonna gothrough some synergies, but
there's something that reallycame to mind that I wanna say
right off the top that makes yoAcosta a very interesting card.
Okay.
And it's the fact that yo Acostawill allow, activates to

(52:30):
activate plate on turn six.
So if you have yo Ocosta in alocation and you hold Fenris
Wolf in your hand, you couldplay Fenris Wolf into Yo Costa,
activate yo Costa and force theFenris wolf to activate.
It's the only way you could getan activate to pump on the last
turn of the game withoutactually clicking the button.

Cozy (52:50):
What do you give this as a star rating?

Alex (52:52):
I'm going with a four, and that's because I have, like, I
add synergies.
But I'm very concerned about howthe end of turn activate style
archetypes are gonna look likeby the time we get to get to yo
CASA's release.
Because I think that she has thepotential to be an absolutely

(53:13):
phenomenal card.

Cozy (53:15):
I think there's a, i this card's gonna be great.
I like it at a four.
I think that this card is gonnabe able to have, is future
proof.
'cause there's a lot of activatecoming.
Yeah.
We know that it's gonna continueto come.
And even some like Riss Wolf whowe hated, then we love then
like, look at what he became.
But even things like, you know,go into kiddo Mega Scarlet
Spider.
There's just cool stuff that youcan try to pull off heck

(53:38):
bullseye.
Like where it's like, what doesthat, what does that look like
and how do you make that work?
Now being turn order and whenyou play'em and how you play
him, that's gonna have to besomething that's experimented
with.
I think I love her more for thefuture than I do right this
moment.
But it's definitely a card thatactivate is needed.

Alex (53:54):
Say the line.
What's she gonna age you like?

Cozy (53:56):
Like, fine beer.
How

Alex (53:58):
dare

Cozy (53:58):
you have one job.
You got one job.
Yeah.
Wait for that.
Uh, but yeah, I, I think I'mgoing more for the four here.
And uh, and bonus points for notcalling it Joe Casta.
You know, I think, uh, Alex, youdeserve a, uh, a small clap for
that as well, but, uh, thankyou.
Yeah, dude, I mean, definitelycool things You could work out
Invisible Woman, obviously.
How crazy she's been is gonna bea clear cut stupid card with

(54:22):
this at times.
So it's, it has its ability tohave crazy pop off, but I think
the creativity here is a lot offun.

Alex (54:29):
Yeah.
And like, it's one of those carsthat, like today I'm like, I, I
haven't started the deckbuilding side of it yet.
And as it gets closer, I think,especially as the meta shakes
and shifts.
Yo Costa's ability andapplicability is gonna become
more obvious.
Like right now, today, this is acard that is so, it's such a
combo piece for those types ofcards.

(54:50):
Yeah, we need to see what themeta is.
Now it's always gonna berelevant because of the way it
works.
It almost feels like adjacent toInvisible Woman First Steps,
where it's a support card that'sfully, it's fully reliant on the
abilities of the cards it'sinteracting with.
And for that reason, I think YoOcosta could be potentially
powerful, but what reallysurprises me, it's a three,

(55:10):
three.
They released Invisible Womanfor steps at fi at three five,
and that card has beenrelatively meta.
Why is Yo Costa two power twopower weaker?

Cozy (55:21):
I think just in the future, everything that could
come out with it.
And obviously Cobra, you know,they just, they can't have that
synergy.
Be the synergy be too good, youknow, to have Cobra destroy two
creative cards.
Alex like.
Much.
We, we It's too much.
Too much.
Can't a one deck meta much.
Yeah.
You can't have a one deck meta.
You know they, that's why we, wegave, uh, big shout out to Glenn
over there, but next up buddy.
This look at this is just, man,look at this beautiful card

(55:45):
right here.
Love it.
This is gonna be the next Jeff,the Land Shark two costs one
power card.
Awesome, Andy.
Awesome.
Andy.
Awesome.
Alex, activate, give one of yourcards at each other.
Location plus two power, Alex.
Sure.
I think it's, uh, it's, it'sfine.
It's a card.
I don't think it's a good card.
It's not a bad card.

(56:05):
It's not a good card.
I think it's a, if you have itand you play it down and you,
you get a two five, maybe youcan use Ocosta on it.
Maybe you throw it's so, youdon't think this is

Alex (56:16):
bad?

Cozy (56:17):
I don't think it's a horrible, I don't think it's a
one.
I don't think it's a one.
I think it's a two.

Alex (56:21):
Okay.
I was gonna say if you gave itlike a three or four, I'd be
like, like a three and a half.
What are we doing?
I know you're tired, but come onbro.
This is like this, you know,that like meme like, oh we have
blank at home.
This is Herbie at home.
Like to me, this is so inferiorto Herbie and Herbie's
struggling to see play right nowdespite it being a good card.

Cozy (56:38):
But Herbie doesn't look as handsome.

Alex (56:41):
This guy's pretty sw.
He's pretty sw.
Um, but I dunno, he looks likehe can give a good headbutt.
I'll give him that.
I

Cozy (56:48):
thought you were going somewhere else with that.
Yeah, his uh, uh, and I love hisHello Necklace.
I might have to, you might, youshould cosplay this guy for
Halloween.

Alex (56:56):
Yeah, you

Cozy (56:57):
can pull it off.
That's

Alex (56:57):
Likeactually a good idea.
Do I look like Awesome, awesome.
Alex,

Cozy (57:00):
You do.
You could, you could pull itoff.
Put the hello on there and all.
Uh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
Does he have six fingers on hisright?
No, that's chalk.
Okay.
Nevermind.
I was gonna

Alex (57:08):
say AI generated, confirmed.

Cozy (57:10):
Doesn't that look like one of his fingers, but just He's

Alex (57:12):
definitely holding chalk because he drew Hello?
On the chalkboard.

Cozy (57:15):
He's holding it like Yeah, it's just a little, a little
awkward.
Yeah, it's just weird for thestat line.
I, I don't know.
I, I think you should have ahigher payoff for the risk
factor and yeah, you could dothings with the plus two power
and giving that maybe this isyour on curve Surfer card that
you're waiting for.

Alex (57:31):
No, I don't think that's even, so it's like, what was the
risk of this being two, three?
Like why does it have to be twoone?
Like I don't understand thestat.
Like it just does not seem likea high risk card.
Like I understand oh plus two,that's technically to two five
if it goes out.
But like, bro, what are we doinghere?

Cozy (57:44):
The Rvo Synergy, Alex?
The Rvo Synergy.
Oh, Savona.
Synergy.
Omega Sentinel Here.

Alex (57:50):
You just bounced right off and you're like, screw Outta,
screw Andy

Cozy (57:53):
by Andy Four three Omega here is gonna have activate
inflict the highest power enemycard with negative seven power.
Wow.
That's kind of cool.
You know, it's like, uh, you'renot shing it and killing it
completely, but you are puttingnegative seven on it and it can

(58:13):
work on any, you know, it canwork on anything that's over
there and that can definitelyturn the tide, turn the tides a
battle.
It is a four cost car with anActiv ability, so that's a
little scary.
And it's only three power, Alex.
So it's got its cons, but Ithink it does have its pros too.

Alex (58:30):
So there's a couple things that came to mind.
First of all, this looks like,uh, like claw and nebula's
child.
I'm just gonna throw that outthere.
Um, but I will say, doesn't itlook exactly like if Nebula Claw
had a baby?

Cozy (58:40):
No.
Yeah.
No.
Is it, is exactly that.
That's the Lord Bill.

Alex (58:44):
Is it?
Is that the actual lore?

Cozy (58:45):
Yeah.
They had a, they had like threekids.
Wait, claw and Nebula?
Yeah, they had three, I forgotthe name of the other two, but
they had three or four kids.

Alex (58:55):
You're not joking.
They're, wait, they'recanonically like together.

Cozy (58:58):
I thought you were joking when you said Omega looks like
their kid.
I was like, oh, well yeah.
Well, yeah.

Alex (59:04):
Oh my gosh.
No, I had no idea.
Why would Nebula have any sortof romantic relationship with
Claw claws?
Like a legit bad guy?
What is Nebula isn't Nebula insome, in some like storylines of
guardians?
She's in the guardians of theGalaxy.
Yeah.

Cozy (59:19):
More of a, I mean, I guess

Alex (59:19):
she had, she had to get there

Cozy (59:21):
more of like a gray je eye kind of thing.

Alex (59:24):
Yeah, like a tta.

Cozy (59:25):
Yeah, there you go.
Had to find her way.
Someone commented, the other twokids down in the commons below
the names of them.
Listen, when you look at thiscard, Alex, your cost of
throwing out 14, 14 power overthere, maybe an Ajax stack.
I like the highs of it, but thelows do scare me.

Alex (59:41):
Okay.
So once a month I go for a homerun swing, right?
Where I kind of, I kind of put abig bet down that everyone can
get mad about or like, you know,just roast me on nonstop.
I think Omega Sentinel might below key, one of the best of the
month.

Cozy (59:53):
I think that's a good, I like Nicole.
I like the, you like it?
Okay.
Hold on.
I thought

Alex (59:56):
I was getting okay.
I thought I was going high here.
I'm going 4.5.
Like I really like this card alot.
So I think four point five'shigh.
Maybe four.
No, I'll go 4.5.
Let's see what happens.

Cozy (01:00:05):
So does the, my only question of concern is you just
went on about how only two turnsof play to get the relevance
out, you know, does scare you.
It's the same thing here, right?
I mean, it's exists.
Exactly.
Okay.
So that doesn't scare you.
The same as

Alex (01:00:19):
I find four.
You just make it 4.524 Kaz Cozy.

Cozy (01:00:24):
Okay.
That's what I

Alex (01:00:24):
just

Cozy (01:00:24):
typed.
Fair enough.
Yeah, I, I want to go three anda half.
I think that the two turns aretough, but other than that, it's
a home run hit.
I mean, this card is gonna begreat.
A negative seven swing isawesome.
Playing that down is gonnadramatically change.
They do get to plan around ittoo.
Like they see the, they see thiscome down, you know, and you,
they're gonna have some time toreact on turn six.
Right.
Like in some form or fashion.

(01:00:46):
But doesn't mean they can react,I'm just saying they could, if
they wanted to, if they wantedto switch Wayne's.
But this, you know what, this issuch a cool, like.
Lane hold.
Oh no, no.
You

Alex (01:00:53):
just said something.
That's important though.
'cause I think everyone's gonnaread it that way.
I've read this over and overagain and it took me a while to
realize it doesn't specify thelane.
I think it'll hit any card onthe board.
Oh, and I'm so glad you saidthat'cause I bet you a ton of
people thought that too.
And I have to like take myglasses off and read it again.
It doesn't specify the lane,dude.
I think it's battlefield wide.
It does,

Cozy (01:01:13):
it is battlefield wide for sure.
They would put it, they wouldsay in this location or
whatever.
You're right that, that ispretty cool.
It's still the, the two turnsscare me.
But I do think that this is avery good, like this is a great
piece tech piece that's gonnawork that if it was like a three
would be like there, there'slike three with lower pa it
would be way too good.
So the I, because of the turns,you would have to activate it.

(01:01:33):
This is one of those though thatif you draw it on curve, like
you, your chances of winning goup so high.
Like I feel like that's just,and if you don't and it's like a
turn six draw, it's like, damn.
But will it win you more than itloses?
Certainly.

Alex (01:01:47):
Yeah, and one thing I should also mention is we just
talked about Ocosta, right?
Yeah.

Cozy (01:01:51):
That's a crazy combo.
Like your Costa can

Alex (01:01:52):
double dip on this.
And remember, because it's notspecifying the lien, it'll hit
two different targets because ifit's two different procs, one
will go down negative seven andit's very unlikely that card is
still the remaining highestpower card.
It'll drop another card bynegative seven.
So you're actually, you mighteven attack two locations doing
that.
It's a little more on the randomside, but what I was thinking
about too is like, so four threenaturally is the line for

(01:02:14):
Shanxi.
Now Shanxi has a higher high,but also has a lower floor you
can miss with Shanxi.
Shanxi is also reserved for turnsix, whereas this here, even if
they never play a 10 power card,will always hit something right?
And so I feel like Shanxi asannoying as that card is, and it
has a amazingly high ceiling,especially with what Fenris

(01:02:35):
does, but Fenner's got Nerfed.
Omega Sentinel probably has ahigher floor than Shanxi does
because no matter what theeffect provided out on turn 3,
4, 5, if you have Zbu.
It is always good.
Unless they have Luke Cage, Iguess.

Cozy (01:02:50):
So you play out, you play out like Lasher.
Okay.
And then you do Yo Costa, so younuke that lane.
You can put something else inthere too.
You nuke that lane and then youhave Omega Sentinel in there
that gets the activate.
You do sentinel before the GeoCosta and then you kill that
lane, you kill the other lanesand they're left with, uh,

(01:03:10):
hoping they have Luke Cage.
That's it.
Yeah, that's

Alex (01:03:12):
it.
This Luke Cage code.
This, this card's gonna suck onthe release.
Oh.
Actually not even,'cause it'snot even the series five packs.
Right.
Which just slides in a seriesfour.
And I think there's so manycards coming out at once that
most people don't even payattention to these.

Cozy (01:03:24):
That's true.
And it doesn't come out with anyother negative cards at least.
So like, it's like kind of inits own merit for that.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I like it.
I think this is a good take.
I think I like the take therethat this, you like the take
that this thing could be prettygood.
I know you're looking to

Alex (01:03:37):
move on, but one, I do want one more thing to say.
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I wonder if it's gonna be goodin Ajax.
It's probably fine.
I think so.
Yeah, but it's gonna competewith like malki and man thing.
And I think that those cardsmight be better for that because
like, this is cool'cause it's avery vertical hit, right?
Yeah.
It almost feels like, like, uh,it almost feels like, oh wait,

(01:03:58):
is there Galactus synergy here?
I just like that it's anotherlane.
Yeah.
Ooh.
If they put a power No, that'stoo cheeky.
I, I was just thinking what ifyou duff something in the
Galactus lane and then throw theGalactus down?
But what I'm trying to say is,is that the four costs man thing
hits more cards, right?
And so Ajax benefits from morecards.
Malki pulls the now three costedLuke Cage, or Luke, sorry, three

(01:04:22):
of hazmat or Luke cage orwhatever.
So I wonder if those cards arejust more valuable for the Ajax
decks.
But yeah, cerebral three.

Cozy (01:04:31):
Cerebral three.
It's an awesome cook.
I think this is such a fun cardfor cerebral three.
Why not?
You know, it's just pure, it'spurely built for that in some
ways, which is why.
What claw back in the day.
Anyway, we've got next up super.
Is it oid?
OID wasn't super oid.

(01:04:51):
Adapt.
Oh, I missed the DI missed theD.
It was a D.
Yeah.
Adapt, adapt, adapt.
Yeah.
I don't know why.
I don't know why I missed thatsecond letter in there.
Dude, this looks this is like.
This is a cool looking hero.
I like this guy.

Alex (01:05:07):
This reminds me of Beetle Borks.
Do you remember those?

Cozy (01:05:10):
Yeah, dude.
Wow.
Okay.
That's a shadow.

Alex (01:05:13):
Yeah, I know.

Cozy (01:05:13):
I was gonna go, yeah, something outta Ninja Turtles,
but yeah, maybe that's just'cause the green's overwhelming
or like a run scape armor.
It's a three cost, five powercard on reveal.
Steal the text from an enemyactivate card here.
So you've got great power atthree, five activates.
A lot of the time you like towait for that to come out.
You wanna wait for it.
This is a very needed tech piecein which I think could be a

(01:05:36):
complicated activate meta thatcould happen eventually with
these cards coming out.
Uh, and 3.5.
This is good.
I mean, this is gonna be a goodlittle, uh, little counter play
here.

Alex (01:05:44):
This is cool.
I like this card a lot.
I want this card.
Yep.
Now I think it's probably gonnarelease as a three.
Okay, but this is another agelike fine wine card.
Yep.
And I, I also wanna give seconddinner credit here.
They're also releasing a seriesfour tech piece into a season
where they're adding tons ofactivate cards.
Yeah.
So we don't have to wait anentire month.

(01:06:05):
So if one of them goes crazy orpop off or whatever, there is
gonna be a lesser expensive techoption.
So this is good design by thesecond entity.
This is, this is player friendlydesign from a release
standpoint.
So thank you for that.
This could have been a seriesfive, like a red guardian or
whatever, and it could have beenfrustrating so that they deserve
credit on that.
Um, super Adapto is purely a huh, HI fine wine card.

(01:06:27):
Yeah.
I think that this is the kind ofcard that's always gonna get
better as new activates come up.

Cozy (01:06:31):
I don't think he's, yeah.
Fantastic now mainly because ifyou can think about it, the, the
ones and the two activate, it'slike, yeah, you have ris, you
have some other cards that canfit in there.
But you need them to play'em.
And then if you play'em and youhave him in your hand at that
time, then yeah, you can stealit early.
Most of the time you're notplaying'em on three though,
almost mo I would say a goodchunk of the time, unless you
have something out there thatyou wanted to take early, like
the Herbie or whatever, theinvisible woman.

(01:06:52):
So maybe you play'em on four andthen you play an under.
Like it's a very interestingcard and I think it is gonna be
better as it continues.
And sometimes you don't evenwant the Activ ability as well,
like in the case of, I don'tknow, kid Omega.
So like it, it's interesting,but I also think it will get a
lot better in the future.

Alex (01:07:10):
Yeah.
So they play like your opponentof plays down as hat hand Andy.
And then you play super adaptweight on top, steal the plus
two power activate.
That's amazing.
But like, here's the thing.
So I was thinking about this.
This is a three five, right?
It's basically the rogue of onof activate.
Mm-hmm.
Rogue is a three two.
Like the stats are wildlydifferent now.
Obviously Ro gets more stuff

Cozy (01:07:31):
way better ongoing cards.
Yeah.
Out there I think is really, butnot to say that this thing
doesn't, like this could verywell get nerfed one day just
'cause there's so many betteractivate stuff in the future

Alex (01:07:40):
as activates come down this, sorry.
As activates come out, this goesto three four to three three
than three, two.

Cozy (01:07:47):
Yeah.
Just continues to go down asthey get better.
But for now, three, five iswhere they found the balance.
Uh, what do you have'em at?

Alex (01:07:54):
I have him down as three and then I said four star
eventually.

Cozy (01:07:59):
Yeah, I think he could be potentially worse.
I don't know if he ever hits,hits four star.
I think he's two.
Yeah, I think he's two and ahalf.
That goes to three and a half.

Alex (01:08:06):
Yeah, I, you know what, I agree with that more.
Okay.
Um, I'll, I'll stick with three'cause that's what I had said,
but I agree.
I think your range isapproximately correct.
It'll age fine.

Cozy (01:08:14):
Dangers are last card coming in Deadpool's Diner, a
forecast I believe forecast sixpower card activate, destroy an
enemy card here with less power.
Very interesting card that canbuild quite nicely.
I always like when they get thegame mode cards to kind of
synergize with season pass cardsand what you can build it in.
What's your thoughts on danger?

Alex (01:08:36):
I'm not sold on this one.
I'm going two stars on danger.
I don't think this is great.
First of all, four six is not agreat stat line.
You are unable to target thecard.
You destroy, you activate, youdestroy card.
You're like, well, if you candestroy a serer that hasn't
proced yet at three, five orwhatever, that's five.
That's basically a four or 11.
But yeah, but what if they havea hood sitting there, right?
Like you can't target.

(01:08:57):
So what if someone playedsquirrel girl and the squirrels
everywhere?
What if they're playing hood?
As I said, like I think theinability to target really
prevents this card from beinggood, especially at a four six
where there's so many four 10borderline stop lines.

Cozy (01:09:09):
Yeah.
And if you could, if you couldprioritize their highest po,
like if there's an ascendingorder, then it's like, oh, cool.
Like totally.
You could build decks that areunique to this, but for sure,
and there's just so many decksthat spam out cards and you just
have no control over it.
And you can even just redguardian it a little bit
quicker, a little bit easierand, and shut that down.
Whatever it might be.
I, not for this card, but forthe card maybe you're even
wanting to target.

(01:09:29):
So I think it's cool.
I think there are ways you canbuild it and, and do get that.
Benefit off of it, but yeah, I'mnot, I'm not too wild about it.
Unless, I don't know, maybe youthrow it into Ariss.
It's just weird.
I don't know.
I I, it's got a couple, like atwo.
You're giving a two y

Alex (01:09:47):
Yeah, I'm too, like I think LDS is simply better.
Like I would rather play LDS,like she's more expensive, but I
don't like this card.
I don't think it's a good one.

Cozy (01:09:55):
So top to bottom brother.
Let's rank the cards for theseason number one.
I think we both have the same

Alex (01:10:00):
I for, so first of all, I forgot to write this all down.
I usually plan this in advanceand that's like, I forgot what
this, I have no idea.

Cozy (01:10:05):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm gonna be

Alex (01:10:06):
Okay.
So we're just gonna both riffit.
Okay.
That's good.
Alright.
Top card for me is gonna beVivid vision.

Cozy (01:10:10):
Vi Vision.
Okay.
Viv is gonna be my top as well.

Alex (01:10:14):
I lean towards, even though my rankings don't, oh,
see, this is where it getstricky.
I like Omega Sentinel more, butI don't think Omega sentinel's
necessarily better than Sparkyand I, I wonder if the next card
I would rank is actually gonnabe Warlock.

Cozy (01:10:31):
I was gonna say Warlocks my two.

Alex (01:10:33):
Really?
Mm-hmm.
I can see, here's the thing.
I can see Sparky being betterthan Warlock, but I, and I like
Omega Sentinel better than both,but I think Warlock probably is
ultimately across the game gonnabe better.
So I'd go Warlock two,

Cozy (01:10:47):
I'll go Omega-3.

Alex (01:10:49):
You want Omega Sentinel three?

Cozy (01:10:50):
Mm-hmm.

Alex (01:10:51):
I like it more than Sparky, but I think Sparky might
be better.
I'll do Sparky three and

Cozy (01:10:55):
then I'll charge just Sparky.
I'll have Sparky after that.
Uh, and

Alex (01:10:58):
then I'll do the omega sound.
It's funny how we rank thesesometimes.
'cause omega sendal I, I have atthe higher star rating, but like
that's'cause I just like thecard.
I like the design.

Cozy (01:11:07):
Okay.

Alex (01:11:08):
Um, one of these days we'll figure out what these star
ratings actually mean.

Cozy (01:11:10):
One, one of the days Ocosta is next up for me.

Alex (01:11:13):
Ocosta.
I agree.
Yes.
Ocosta is next for me as well.

Cozy (01:11:15):
Passion is next.

Alex (01:11:20):
Bastion versus Moira X.
I would go bastion over mo.
Moira X.

Cozy (01:11:26):
You like Moira X over super cable.
I

Alex (01:11:29):
would.
That's actually hard.
Moira versus uh uh, the superadapto.
I think that, I'm think gooIDright now.
Moira is better but you probablywant super OID eventually.

Cozy (01:11:39):
Yeah.
I'll go super oid Moira and thenI'll end with danger and then no
sorry.
Danger.
And then end with human torch.

Alex (01:11:45):
Oh yeah.
I forgot about the human torch.
Wait, wait.
You just jumped through.
You missed a cart as well.

Cozy (01:11:49):
Oh

Alex (01:11:49):
you missed uh, asset handy.

Cozy (01:11:51):
Oh God, yeah.
Put in as that handy rightabove.
Uh.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Put it, put it above, below.
Danger.

Alex (01:12:00):
No, I'm confused as hell.
Alright.
I'm gonna say Moira oid.
I would go then Danger and thenas hat handy.

Cozy (01:12:12):
And then the humanoid.
I don't think

Alex (01:12:13):
Awesome.
Andy's good.
I don't do that card at

Cozy (01:12:15):
all.
And then, and then Human Torch.

Alex (01:12:17):
Oh, human torch too.
I forgot about Human torch.
Yeah, I think human torch sucks.
If the fall in one stuff works,he's better.
But I'm thinking it might not.

Cozy (01:12:26):
That's fair.
I don't know.
We need to find out.
There's so, there's so many carsthat come out now.
It's just so crazy.
It's like, it's just wild howmany they pump out in one, in
one season, bro.
But we did it.
We went through'em all.
We will be held accountable forthem guys.
Gimme a mega episode here onthis beautiful Monday.
Any last things you wanna addbefore the season before we jump
into the Snapchat mailbag?

Alex (01:12:47):
You know, I just think that, um, I.
For what it's worth.
I think that second dinner'sdesign team did cook.
These are good cards.
Yeah, I think that, uh, they'realso flavorful, like the way
Moira works, right.
Based on her superpowers andmutant, which kinda like recalls
past lives and stuff like that.
And then you have Bastion theway he works, creating sentinels
in the hand essentially at twothrees.
A lot of care went into thedesign here and I think that's

(01:13:09):
cool.
I think we could jump into themailbag.
There's some fun stuff here.
Alright.
Hit us with

Cozy (01:13:13):
the mailbag questions, Mr.
Alex.

Alex (01:13:15):
Alright.
Um, alright.
This is actually kind of funny.
So first of all, start thePortland.
Kevin said it was great to meetAlex Dexter and Gregor and some
of the second dinner team atPax.
Alex brought that perfect, uh,teacher energy that got us all
excited, but still reigned it inat the same time.
It was an awesome time and Cozyshould be flying up next year.

Cozy (01:13:37):
Did they go back and comment on the Snapchat episode?
Yes.
That's very nice.
Then I will most definitely begoing into a pacs here, uh,
soon.
A'cause I love magic B'cause,uh, Alex, uh, I love Alex.
Two things I, two things that Ilove.
Uh, how are we not starting withthe quesadilla?
Enchilada?
Can we, we gotta just get right.
What can on, there were not manycomments about that actually

(01:13:59):
about the enchiladas.
That's, I I find that hard todo.
No,

Alex (01:14:02):
There was a comment though about, okay, I'll dig

Cozy (01:14:05):
deeper.
I'm going into it right now.
I'll,

Alex (01:14:06):
you're gonna try you, you don't believe me.
You're just try to hunt it down.

Cozy (01:14:09):
There's no way.

Alex (01:14:11):
Okay.
In the meantime, while you hunt,we do have a question from Big
Owl four 20, which is afantastic name.
I love that so much.
And it is about food though, andI have a little story about
this.
Normally I'm on the side ofAlex, just waffling, but I fully
understand chicken balls mightbe a UK thing, but chicken balls
that you dip in sweet and soursauce are legit.

(01:14:31):
We also have sweet and sour HongKong style, which is like deep
fried chicken pieces in sweetand sour sauce.
So the story that goes alongwith this, I had the absolute
privilege of having dinner with,uh, a team from China who are
huge fans of the Snapchat, Cozy,huge fans of the Snapchat.
Okay?
And they said, Alex we keephearing about these Chinese

(01:14:53):
chicken balls.
We have no idea what they are.
And as soon as they said, I'mthinking, I'm like, if the team
from China doesn't know what I'mtalking about, I think I'm gonna
take an L here.
Right?
You take the L.
So I'm like, alright guys.
So I pulled it up on my phoneand I showed them, I showed them
the chicken balls and they alljust started howling, just
laughing.
And they're like, no, that isdefinitely like an American

(01:15:14):
invention thing.
Like we, that's not Chinese.

Cozy (01:15:16):
I'm not even 1% surprised at this.
Like, not, not even one, noteven one.
That'd be like, uh, showing, Idon't know.
Someone who, who has never seenMcDonald's and they make
burgers.
They grill on the grill andthey're like, oh yeah, yeah.
Here's a great burger too.
Check this out.
And it's, it's the paper thingarbage.
But listen, enough for this.
I went straight to this video,bro.
The last Snapchat, all thecomments off the board, top of

(01:15:38):
the board.
They're not questions, they'rejust statements.
I'm gonna read'em.
First up, I, I'm not even gonnasay the names you got.
Every time I think I can relateto Alex.
He says something like aquesadilla.
Like an omelet.
Alright, so that's number.

Alex (01:15:49):
That's number one.
All right.
Oh, I just realized what I did.
I made a mistake.
I went to the q and a section onmy prior video.
What do you mean?
That's why I made a mistake.
I'm on your video.
We talking to enchiladas onyours?
Yes.
Oh, that's my mistake.
I pulled the wrong questionback.
No,

Cozy (01:16:03):
no, no, no.
This is on yours.
The enchilada was last week.
What?
I just didn't see it then.
No, you're crazy.
No, listen to this bro.
Next up, Alex.
Not knowing what enchiladas orquesadillas are are hilarious.
Top comment under that is it'slike an omelet.
I think that was the true, theomelet comparison is what send
people and that that truly, Ithink and then literally just, I
can keep going.
This is in a sending order.

(01:16:23):
Alex.
Not knowing what quesadilla is.
Quesadilla is, is actuallyabsolutely crazy.
Uh, and I can keep going.
So Alex, I do wanna say theywere there.
They were in there.
And as a Mexican hearing, Alexsay that real tacos, he had had
bread and that quesadillas arelike omelets.
He gave me an aneurysm.
All right.
That's.

(01:16:45):
That's a great one.
That was a good question there.
I like that one.
And they don't even questions,they're just statements.
I don't even think people hadquestions.
They were just like, this iswhat has to happen.
Uh, don't worry guys, when hecomes to San Diego for
TwitchCon, I'm gonna get thisman fed.
We get him.
It's so

Alex (01:16:58):
funny, man.
That is so hilarious.
You got another Snapchat?
All right, we got, we got acouple more.
We got a couple more.
But before we get into them, ifyou notice the white dot right
near my face there, I want youto comment White dot gameplay
because means happens every oncein a while.

Cozy (01:17:11):
Yeah, yeah.
They made it this long insession before I talk.

Alex (01:17:13):
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So our guy boy said, did anyoneelse see a bundle in the shop
with four series five collectorspacks, and a ton of boosters?
Oh, yeah.
The bundle said it would bethere for five days and it got
taken away near immediately.

Cozy (01:17:26):
Oh, bro.
Yeah, dude, it wouldn't be asnapshot.
There wasn't just like a randomsecond dinner.
L Yeah.
Didn't they release this pack?
This is another thing I saw onTwitter.
It's like, they released thispack, bro.
I get you.
Not like I'm on Twitter.
I see like second dinner.
W like, they listen, they love,and then they released a
statement that pack should nothave been released.

Alex (01:17:46):
Yeah, so I was live on stream.
I pulled it up.
It was like, it was, I think itwas like$69 Canadian, which is
probably 50 bucks American.
It must've been like around$10 acard range, plus a whole bunch
of boosters and stuff.
Series five,$10 per series five.
It was such a double.
I was like, this is actuallylike really good value.
And then it was gone and theyapologized.
Like that to me is crazy.

(01:18:06):
I was like, guys, come on.
Like, what are we doing?
Yeah, they gotta invent theirown LS at some point, right?
Mm-hmm.
Like, they're just like, Heyguys, we haven't had any,
everyone pissed off us in twoweeks.
We have to do something.

Cozy (01:18:16):
We gotta, you guys know the work motto here, bring the
LS weekly.
They do it.
Hit us with the last question,

Alex (01:18:22):
the last one.
It goes off of a comment thatyou had made last week Cozy, and
it's from Jason B who said, noteven joking.
I would never watch a Sh Chimovie or read a comic now, all
because of Snap.

Cozy (01:18:36):
There it is.
I knew someone, I knew that.
And that you're not alone.
I'm sure there are more of youout there and.
There'll be Sparky fans and orSparky hatred and who knows what
Omega said?
No.
Anyway, guys, thank you so muchfor coming over to the Snapchat
and the longer episode ofranking these cards.
I will say I'm most likely outfor the next couple episodes

(01:18:58):
between my child being born andI will be doing some casting
work on our recording days,which is gonna be tough, but I
will be back.
I will be ready and, uh, excitedfor it.
Uh, I'll be naming my second kidafter Alex kocha, uh, and name
him Omelet.
Guys, thank you for coming.
Have a good one.
Have a great one.
Subscribe to Alex to the nextone.
Happy snapping.

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