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Cozy Snap (00:00):
What's going on guys and welcome back to another
episode of the snapchat today.
We're going to be talking aboutthe brand new card that is
Thunderbolt Ross.
Does he suck?
Yes, he does.
But the good news is we have abrand new game mode coming in.
It's sanctum showdown.
That's going to bring threebrand new cards.
Two Marvel snap and cardmasteries on the way.
So we have a lot to talk abouttoday.
And we're going to talk aboutall that today.

(00:20):
More on this episode of theSnapchat.
And as always, I am joined bythe one, the only Mr.
Alex Kocha and Alex, if I soundany different, my mic of five
years has died.
It has fallen.
It was the last piece of tech.
From the old days, got a brandnew one coming in, but we got
something temporary for rightnow, and it's also the day after
the Super Bowl, we usuallyrecord on Sundays, and we would

(00:43):
probably know the results, butit is Saturday today, and so we
don't know who woncongratulations to the Chiefs
getting their three peat, orand, or Eagles getting their
second, and the city ofPhiladelphia up in Philadelphia.
Flames, Alex, how are you doingtoday, buddy?

Alexander Coccia (00:58):
I'm doing good, I'm doing good.
I like how your temporary mic isSM7B, like literally a god tier
mic that is renowned across theindustry.
But no, not for Cozy Snap.
It ain't good enough for CozySnap, damn it.
Gotta get your custom mic.
I, you know what, I gotta tellyou, you sound fantastic, you
look fantastic.
The color's coming back to yourskin after the last few weeks of
you battling pretty much everyillness known to man.
It's good to see Cozy back.

Cozy Snap (01:20):
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
And it's it's the end, man.
It's the end of football seasonand it's the beginning of well,
not the beginning of a newMarvel snap season.
That was last week, butcertainly a beginning of what
they've been saying, the newera, we've got some cool things
to talk about today, guys, newlocation and all got a little
Superbowl story for you.
So there, I don't know aboutyou, but in life, right?
Do you ever you're across amoment and you're somewhere and

(01:43):
you think to yourself, like,I'll never be here again.
I need to appreciate like whereI'm at.
Like, do you have any of thoseto pull from that you can
remember of like a place in atime that you're like, I'll
never be at this exact momentagain.

In that club with Lugwood, again, XQC in San
Diego.

Cozy Snap (02:01):
That's not a bad answer, man.
That's not a bad answer.
It's something I try to think ofit all the time, right?
Like when I was getting married,right?
Or whatever, just like trying todo like snapshots in my head of
like, wow, I'll never be able toexperience something like this
again.
So long story short, mygrandfather was the previous He
owned the company that did thelicensing for all apparel for

(02:22):
the NFL.
This was back in like the, the60s, 70s.
You know, my dad went to everysingle Super Bowl and I didn't
process how insanely rare it isto go to a Super Bowl and just
experience the crazy chaos ofwhat it is.
So long story short, I got to goto my first Super Bowl and it
happened to be the Falconsversus the Patriots.

(02:43):
Super Bowl 51, which arguablyis, in my opinion, okay, I'm a
Patriots fan, but the best SuperBowl of all time.
There's gotta be someone that'sa Falcons fan out there.
I'm 28 3, I'm sorry.
You're still thinking about it.
Greatest comeback of all time.
But I got to be able toexperience that and the Rams won
and it's, dude, going to thecity, the game's amazing.
Very corporate y.

(03:03):
There's not as many fans as youwould think that get to go
there.
It's a very corporate thing.
But the city that hosted it,dude, it's like a, it's like the
Olympics, man.
It's so, it's so cool to be ableto go and experience that.
And so if it's ever, I dunno, inBuffalo, which it won't be, I
think it's only in, in, in hotStates you got to check it out
or if anyone listening you'renear New Orleans or the next

(03:26):
city, I think has maybe LasVegas.
I don't know.
Got to go check out Superbowl,you know, the city game, the
Superbowl school stuff.

That reminds me of, like, my experience at
Formula One in Montreal, Iguess.
I think that's the closest I canget to a similar experience.
Where it's like, my buddy livedin Montreal because he was going
to McGill, which is like, theuniversity there.
And so we stayed on the cheap,we were there, we bought, like,
the cheapest tickets availablefor Formula One, which were
still like 280 or something,which at the time was like, so
much for us.
And like, the whole city wascrazy.
And it was like, Like legit,like Ferraris in the streets or

(03:56):
like the richest dudes were justdriving around doing doughnuts
and stuff.
I was like, what is happeninghere?
You know, it was just, it waspretty cool.
It was pretty cool.
It was it was a neat experience.
It's like, yeah, the race wascool, but the city was alive in
a way that like I'd never seenbefore.
And Montreal as a whole is likethe Vegas of Canada.

Cozy Snap (04:11):
Formula one is something that you have to be
there in person to appreciatejust how insanely cool it is.
Like, you know, you see NASCARor whatever.
Or even f1 on tv and you're likecool, you know fast cars when
you're there, dude And you canfeel the car in your body as it
goes by like it's great It's avery cool environment for sure.
But all right guys.
Well, we have a lot to talkabout today We're gonna be
talking about four new cardstoday, which is crazy.

(04:33):
Some of them are Not exactlyhome run hits, but I'll be
excited to talk about him and wegot a lot to talk about on
Alex's side.
Alex, enlighten us.
What are we talking about?

We're talking about Sam Wilson and Joaquin
Torres Falcon.
We're giving our reviews.
We'll also be talking aboutcards that need to drop in
series.
They discuss a series drops frombecoming sooner and bigger than
ever before.
And Hey, we're about that timewhere it should be coming up.
Sometime in the near future,we'll be discussing some cards
and then as always, our Snapchatmailbag.

Cozy Snap (05:01):
Alrighty, buddy.
Well, let's go in and start thisthing off with probably, usually
the new card is the mostexciting thing to talk about of
the week, but we've got someother things, probably a bit
more exciting, but we've got totalk about them.
The one, the only ThaddeusThunderbolts Ross.
What a name, you know, that hesays his full name when he
introduces himself.
To a lady at the bar everysingle time ttr for short now We

(05:24):
thought potentially before thetrailer came out that we were
going to see maybe a little bitof a buff up in this Guy, maybe
something was a bit off here.
We weren't sure.
Nope.
It is exactly as advertised aswe thought That is TTR.
It's going to be a two cost, twopower card.
When your opponent ends a turnwith unspent energy, draw a card
with 10 or more power.

(05:45):
So Alex, we gave some of ourunfiltered takes last week on
this guy.
What are we thinking of TTR?

I see like.
Two star potential, like a oneand a half, two star potential
range.
Obviously card draw can beincredibly powerful in Marvel
snap.
And I don't want to likediscredit him because I think
that like, when I was trying tokind of pen and paper some decks
obviously surger is a majorcomponent of where I think TTR
is going to be.
But it, and it actually hasspace in the two slots to kind
of fit them.

(06:13):
Like it does not feel like a,like a reach to just throw them
into that kind of deck.
Right.
But at the same time, it's likethis effect feels strong, but I
do not like the fact that youropponent is in control of it.
And of course it has to be onthe board on turn two, when they
are actually floating the energyto take advantage of it.
You know, I'm, I'm not a big fanof it.
I can see this card being the15th card in every 12 card deck.

Cozy Snap (06:37):
Doesn't even make the next cut.
Yeah, I think I said on thepreview a two two and I'll give
him a two and that sounds aboutright even less than that.
It's even hard giving him a twoa little bit too, right?
Like I almost want to give him aone.
Just because of ultimately hisnarrow design, where he's going
to fit.
And then even in those decks,does he even want to belong
there?
Right?

(06:58):
Like there's some examples wehave of that.
Let's say in discard, maybesomething like meek for a long
time, obviously now makes it alittle bit better.
Cause we have, you know, abullseye and whatnot, but back
then it's like meek didn't evenwant to be in the niche deck
that he was in.
And that made him a bad card fora while.
This is kind of the samefeelings I have from TTR over
here.
And I'm just not.
Thoroughly impressed.

(07:18):
I do like his pose.
I think he looks very menacing.
He reminds me of have you seenInside Out?
Fantastic.
Pixar movie before.

Yeah, I have actually.
I know it's a good one.

Cozy Snap (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, and so there's the the best part of
that movie is when they go tothe parents and there's like
the, in the mind of the parentsand the dad, you know, asks the,
the kid to do something and she,you know, yell at him and she's
like, he's like, initiating putthe foot down and it like, they
have like a special nuke buttonfor putting the foot down that
looks like a dad putting thefoot down right there, man, with
the the presence of TTR.

(07:48):
Do you think that this guy is,has any room to surprise us?

You know what?
Potentially.
There's a chance that he can dosomething in Erishim.
If you think about the size ofthe deck with Erishim, he
provides some consistency there,but obviously you're less likely
to draw him.
Right.
However, with the new version ofErishim, you have basically the
first two turns whereessentially like.
Yeah, you're going to want toplay a one or two because
obviously you don't have thatthat existing extra energy.

(08:15):
And so if you float and then youdraw something with 10 power on
that turn three, you're morelikely to be able to play
something of significant powerbecause you have the extra
energy.
Right.
So I was thinking about Arishom,I'm like, ah, could it work?
But Arishom decks, I think havebeen pretty strong and we've
talked about this a number oftimes.
Like I'm actually not a huge fanof where Arishom is because of
the fact that like, he's, I feellike his identity is kind of you

(08:35):
know, just muddied compared towhat it used to be, but
ultimately like.
It's like trying to talk about,you know like toxin and try to
say, Oh, I'm going to put toxinin this shell and this shell.
It's like, well, no, it's goingto be a bounce card and Thaddeus
Thunder Ross is going to be achonky boy card.
It's going to go in searcherdecks.
It potentially is going to go inAirsham decks.
Don't try and force it in surferdecks or whatever, which

(08:57):
obviously is literally animpossible synergy, but I'm just
saying don't force it.
Let it do what it's designed todo.
And even then I'm not sold.

Cozy Snap (09:04):
You're not going to run TTR with your Surtur and
your Silver Surfer decks to getthe 10 power cards out, get
Surtur up there.
Come on, man, Alex.
I thought you'd be and alsousually, you know, this guy,
I've got like two bullet pointson.
And last week I brought upAarishem.
I'm like, all right, this isgoing to be my bullet point.
Got some things to talk about.
And then here it is, Alex, justripping right out with the
Aarishem take.
So I am, I'm left just naked andalone over here.

(09:25):
No, I do think Aarishem is adecent spot for him.
I mean, we'll talk about a newcard coming out that.
Is going to counter Arishem evenmore, even though yeah, I think
you put it right.
It's almost like some of thesedesigns were made when Arishem
was where he was at, and nowthat he's taken back a little
bit, feels a little bit off ofthe timing for these cards.
So, yeah, potentially Arishem,and then with that, you also

(09:45):
got, obviously, the Scar, andthen the 10 plus power decks.
Now, I think I talked about lasttime, I do like the idea that he
does.
Get better over time in thesense of there's gonna be more
10 power cards that come outOkay, you can make those work
his animation's sick.
I don't know if you saw the thetrailer It's like a like a
payload coming in from ahelicopter of your 10 power card

(10:07):
pretty cool stuff there yeah, Ithink what I I think what we
talked about last time is ifthey made this guy a one cost I
really like him because he justworks with the flow of the deck
extremely well He's not I wouldprobably make space for him for
a one cost because I, I feellike he just would play better
and you have a much moreaccurate of a shot for the
opponent not to use theirenergy.

(10:27):
Maybe on turn one, youimmediately get that 10 draw and
it just feels good right by turntwo.
You wouldn't think one turndifference is a big deal, but it
is there's just so many things Ican fit that role fit that spot.
So it's hard for me to like it Iknow we talked about last time
that you know, obviously theplay of being able to get him
down with some zabu action zabuwithin him is cool and certainly

(10:50):
that three card line two cardline Could work out, but I think
it's just, that's just anothercard.
It takes too much away from thecore deck.
And it's what we said last weekis it's a 12 car deck game.
And sometimes there's designsthat are hindered by that.
And to me, TTR is that.

Yeah, exactly.
Like if you're playing Magic orLorkana or like any card game
with a larger deck, right?
Like even Commander runs 100cards, right?
Like, yeah, you throwThunderbolt Ross in there,
right?
But like, in a game like MarvelSnap where the decks are so
tight and each card has toreally pull its weight.
That's really what makes MarvelSnap decks so effective.
It's like each individual playis so impactful.

(11:30):
And TTR doesn't do that.
And with regards to him being aone cost, that is interesting,
but I still think to somedegree, he's still kind of, you
still have, you still want todraw into him, right?
So you're going to want to hopeto draw into him early because
he's a, not a dead play on turnsix, but he effectively is
useless on turn six.
And if you think about anotherpoint, 2 2 is a terrible stat

(11:52):
line.
Like, cards are not surviving at2 2.
Jeff's a 2 3 and doesn't seeplay right now.
To put it in perspective, right?
There's been so much power creepas we discussed last week at the
two slot.
Why would you play a 2 2 withlimited upside?
So it really has to pull itsweight.
That's why I'm with you.
I'm surprised that it didn't getnerfed.
And I think that Glenn has beentraditionally very hesitant with

(12:13):
card draw.
Like, I totally respect that.
But at the same time, like, thiscard's not exciting at all.

Cozy Snap (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, if we look at the other 2 2s, you have
Carnage, a massive setup card,Dagger that infinitely goes
higher, Dazzler goes muchhigher, Forge is setting up, you
know, Forge has infinite plugand play ability and sets setup
plays.
You know, you have Goose thatenables at least strategy and,
and, and, honestly, Goose isn'ta tremendously great card, but
at least it's a fair comparisonto Thunderbolt.

(12:41):
Goose could go to a 2 3.
Hasmat, we already know theinsane synergy and power flip
that you can do with that.
Loki's doing his whole shtickthat he does.
Master Mold at least is having apretty powerful effect
immediately against theopponent.
But Deuce is going to a 2 5.
There's actually a lot of 2 2s.
Mirage is giving you anothercard.
You're getting 2 4 out ofsynergy.
Mojo goes up.

(13:01):
Psylocke's ramping.
Ravonna's in.
There's a lot of 2 2s, but theyall do something.
That I feel is much strongerthan what Thunderbolt Ross is
giving us.
And that's what's, that's what'sinteresting.
Now, maybe it feels good toplay.
We've been there before.
We've been there before.
But I think this one is one wecan feel pretty safe at saying.

(13:21):
We don't love the idea from youknow, if we do go to just 10
power and up, right, as my gamelags behind here we'll go here
to 10 power, anything thatsticks out where it's like, man,
drawing this early is going tobe pretty dang cool.

Hulk Iwould say for Evo because it's going
to take advantage of the floatedenergy early and it's going to
like get prox, right?
So like, I would definitelythink Hulk to some degree, she
Hulk as well, but I don't like,I was looking at this.
I was trying to make an Evodeck.
It's funny.
I actually think Evo with thenew the new buff to Luna snow
might actually be better thanpeople think it is.
I was testing it.
I'm like, huh.
Either, everyone I'm playingagainst is a bot, or this deck's

(13:58):
actually not bad.
So that's a, that's anothervideo for another day.
But I would say definitely theHulk.
She hulks in there as well.
I don't know if I, I run likeInfernaut technically in those
decks, but you could technicallyrun Infernaut in those types of
decks as well.
But you start to run out ofspace for your activators early
on.
Yeah, I would say Evo'spotentially a place, but I think
Surge is the most natural.

Cozy Snap (14:16):
Yeah, we said what, Hela, you know, whatever.
I mean, kind of like it works inthere, but then you're kind of
limiting what you What you needto do.
It just, you're replacing a linewith a line, right?
Like you're replacing, let'ssay, a two cost discard or
another, anything, any othertype of role in that deck with
TTR.
And I don't hate hybrid decks.

(14:36):
I think they can work sometimes.
But like, when you havesomething like Hella, it's
typically an all in, right?
And making that one thing workreally well and, and so yeah,
as, as it said best, he issolving a problem that we don't
really have at the moment andthat's the overall expectation
of TTR, so with other cardscoming out, it is a recommended

(14:57):
pass for us, at least right now,we might be eating our words,
but who knows, time will tell,let's move on, shall we, to more
important More exciting thingsAlex.

I would love to move on sir.

Cozy Snap (15:09):
We said last week.
We said last week.
Hey, you know I hope that thetrailer doesn't have anything of
significant value that we wouldmiss and Lo and behold they
decided to drop not only a brandnew game mode, but three new
cards Which is I would say on alevel of importance that we

(15:30):
missed So today we're gonnabreak down all those all the new
cards here starting out withLaufey Alex, and Laufey is a
Frost Giant who is a 4 cost, 5power card and interesting
ability of on reveal, you willsteal 1 power from each other
card here when you play himdown.

(15:51):
Definitely interesting, andbefore we get into any talk on
him, immediate star rating?

Oh, we're doing star ratings for the free
cards?
Of course we are.
Oh man, I was not prepared forthis.

Cozy Snap (16:02):
It's okay.
I wasn't either.
I don't have them down, butlet's do a quick.
It's like three and a half,four, man.
I, I think this is the best cardof the three that we're going to
talk about.
I can, I can confidently saythat.
I think one's better.
You think one's better.
I, okay.
That is uncle Ben.
No.
So I, I feel, I feel like.
This guy's being slept on alittle bit.
So first of all, he's gonna bestealing.

(16:23):
So we know that that alwayscounts for two power typically,
right?
He's stealing from your lane andthe opponent's lane to build
himself up Which you know, thereis some potential synergy there
Obviously, we've got tremendoussynergy with the clear cut Ajax
Who's gonna like this guybecause you're having power
being taken from your cards andtheir cars Ajax goes up so

(16:46):
theoretically, you know him andAjax in separate lanes.
It's kind of cool.
Builds up two big power cardsand then also Diamondback, who
we just talked about.
Diamondback's a huge winner fromthis guy.
If you plan on gettingDiamondback, this is the card
you want to target.
We're going to talk about the,the new game mode here in just a
moment.
To understand how to even getthese guys.

(17:06):
But there's a couple othersynergies people are thinking
about.
Now, I want you guys tounderstand.
Stealing the power means ifthere's just two cards on your
opponent's side, not your side,but just your opponent's side,
you're getting a 4 9.

Yeah, no, it's, it's awesome.
Like, if, let's say you'reagainst a zoo player, and
they're zooing into an Ant Manlocation, and you play Laufey
down, like, that's huge value.
Like, it's actually prettyimpressive what you can do.
It reminds me of a, it'sbasically Cracked Out Rocket and
Groot that can't move.
Right?

Cozy Snap (17:36):
Yeah.
So, I mean, if we look at other,if we look at other cards that
are 4 9, 4 10, we were justgoing, you know, we're saying
Ares is so good at that 4 12,this guy's got the potential to
be with one card of 4 7, twocard of 4 9.
411 or 13.
That's really good.
The awkward thing is you'd haveto play them late to get that
413 or even 411, but a 49 withnot a lot of play and then also

(18:01):
synergize, or even the 411 thatcan happen a good amount of the
time.
That's huge.
That's a good.
Way to play him.
Plus he's got other synergy ontop of that with the other
cards.
That's why I think he might be awinner.

Yeah.
And you'd have to consider aswell, like with Zabu, he comes
down to three.
A card like this would probablynot be able to be released with
the old classic ongoing Zabu,because you'd guarantee a three
power three cost.
Sorry.
But yeah, like this card isreally interesting and it's,
it's, it's also weird because weneed to talk about Luke Cage,
obviously, because Luke Cage asthis catchall for affliction, it

(18:32):
starts to feel a little awkwardin weeks like this.
Where it's like, withDiamondback, people just run
Luke Cage, they just takewhatever deck they're playing,
and they just cut a card and addLuke Cage, and they just
continue playing, and itcompletely douses the effect of
every new card that's coming outwith Affliction, and Laufey's
gonna be the same way, and itmakes me wonder though, there
also is a synergy though,because, You could play on top

(18:52):
of your cards, let's say Laufeyis you know, gets hit by Zabu,
he's a three cost.
You can play him on top of yourcards, steal the power from your
own cards, and then also playLuke Cage, and like, top your
cards back up to standard, andLaufey would have stolen the
power, right?
So, I guess that's a coolinteraction, but like, Luke Cage
occupies this very weird spacein this game that like, I, it

(19:12):
must weigh on Glenn's consciencewhen releasing new cards.

Cozy Snap (19:15):
I don't think he's as bad, I mean like, We always say,
well, you can just play ShangChi, you can just play Luke
Cage.
But the reality is people don't.
I mean, like, there's only 12cards, people are not taking
that in there.
And it doesn't happen a lotwhere it's like, I have a surfer
deck, I'm gonna throw in Cage inthere.
Sometimes, but I, yes and no.
I think, you know, obviouslyrelease valves are important.
And that's what makes some ofthese, like, overpowered.

(19:37):
To your point, I think it'simportant to address, Luke Cage
does have synergy with him.
Pretty good.
I mean, you can get Laufey hereto crazy numbers.
You have to play Luke cage.
Second.
That's the most important thing.
If Luke is on the board first,you're not able to steal that
power from your own cards in thefirst place.
So that is some importantconsideration there.
Luke does want to be played withthe majority of the cards as

(19:59):
well.
For the most part, that aregoing to synergize with him.
So you also have that synergy.
But this is, I've got a secretsauce that people aren't
thinking about.
With this guy.
So I have him at three and ahalf.
But this, the, I would put himat a four if this deck works
out.
Can you even take a guess whatI'm going to say?

No, I have no idea.
I'm like trying to think.

Cozy Snap (20:20):
I'm proud of this.
So I think there's a shot ashot.
Okay, dude, I even forgot wherethis guy is because he's so

he's trying to find Agatha.
Oh, nevermind.
Annihilist.
Oh, this is a cook.
I like this.

Cozy Snap (20:34):
So you can steal from your own rocks or zero power
cards or whatever on your side.
Make them in the Annihilusframe, or one po right,
anything, right?
You can make it work whereAnnihilus already wants to be
with some of these kind of weirddecks.
You could also like, let's sayyou have the Void down.
You know, you could play, youknow, him to steal even more,

(20:55):
and then send those over.
I think there's some coolsynergy for a card that has been
virtually gone, Viper got herbuff.
There's some synergy here thatcould work with a four or five
play to get the maximum resultsout of Laufey.

I like this.
This is a really cool call andyou're right.
Because in my notes here, I havelike junk cards, like debris and
the goblins will like Laufey aswell.
And those are things that workreally well with Annihilus,
right?
Then you can even have, I don'tknow, you could cope with
Selene.
You could even think about.
This is neat, because let's sayyou have like rocks there and
stuff like that.
You can play Laufey on therocks, you can Annihilus, and

(21:34):
then you could consider like, ifLaufey's sitting there, you
could even, hmm I don't know ifhe'd ever be worth hitting with
Cersei though.
I was just thinking, would youever want to hit him with
Cersei?
Probably not, because once yousteal the energy, I think his
stats are high enough, right?
No,

Cozy Snap (21:47):
but you could have Cersei in that build, right?
Because then you have thateither or thing that you do with
the Void sometimes, and Voidjust got Sentry Void just got a
little buff up too.
Like, I, honestly, I think thiswhole little picture might be
able to come together.
It, there's a, there's a shotthat it can work all together.
And think about it, man.
Stealing the power from youropponent, gaining the power on
your side, then sending themover.
That's a obvious lane winningplay, right?

It's also on curve.
Because on turn three youDebris, turn four you Laufey, or
you Sentry, turn five youAnnihilus.
Yep.

Cozy Snap (22:16):
I, I, I think that, that's awesome.
Thank you, man.
My, my thing is, Is I feel likethat is what can make him up to
a four and why he's probably myfavorite.
But I have one other too and I,this one's a bit more obvious
than Annihilus.
But I feel like two, you know, Idon't even need to pull up the
card I was going to pull up.
I'll pull up another one here.
I think that this could be areally good thing for High Evo.

(22:40):
I, the way that he's played withAbomination makes me excited.
Because of that Affliction styleall at once.
Feels like he should be a goodaddition to that as well.

You know what you just really reminded me of
that the thing is a four six

Cozy Snap (22:57):
exactly

how oh my god Yeah,

Cozy Snap (22:59):
it is a what are

we doing?

Cozy Snap (23:01):
I know dude.
It's so funny, man I wasactually so we just got that
tremendous fantastic fortrailer.
Don't know how we did.
Did you see that?
Please tell me so I watched

it I watched it cuz my kids watched it too
and they thought it was theyhave no idea who the face is so
good

Cozy Snap (23:13):
Well, I mean as they shown it, I mean, there's only
two movies that really I mean,the Fantastic Four has been done
dirty for the past two decades,and man, I don't, I've got high
expectations, dude.
The way the CGI was on thething, they nailed the thing's
personality down so well onthat, and Looks awesome, yeah.
Oh, the era, I think, I'm, I'mpumped for it, man.
Really, I am.
And Galactus, you know what'scool about this, too, that

(23:35):
people don't realize, is I'mpretty sure this is a separate
world than the 616 MCU world, soI think Galactus is gonna,
sorry, I gotta bleep both ofthose out on the podcast, I
think he's going to eat, I thinkhe's gonna eat the world, man,
he's gonna be the world eater, Ithink we might see Galactus, you
know, cause typically it's likeGalactus shows up and we're
like, oh no, he's not gonna dothe thing he does, he can't do

(23:57):
that, right?
What if he did?
What if you just ate what I'm

hoping for?
I'm hoping for a Silver Surfercameo.
The Herald of Galactus.

Cozy Snap (24:04):
Silver would be there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think, I think Surfer's in.
In fact, people speculated.
Really?
You know this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, the actors announced.
So, what I think is What I thinkis there's a, a part of the
trailer where Human Torch isgoing through the city.
Like doing his little flame on.
And he's chasing something itlooks like.
People think that they renderedout the Surfer.
So like he's, he's, he's chasingthe surfer, but they rented

(24:25):
cause they do that in trailersto kind of, you know, keep
things you know, behind thecurtain or whatever for the
first bit.
But yeah, I do think the Heraldwill be there.
But what if, what if Galactusjust takes a bite of this world
like he's eating like a, like aReese's?
Just, right out of it, like anapple.

I like how you went Reese's, not apple.
But honestly, he seemed kind ofsmall.
His shadow seemed kind of small.

Cozy Snap (24:44):
So Galactus can be any size, not any size, but he
doesn't have to just be giant.
That's not, like, he could bemultiple sizes.
Maybe we get Squirrel Girlcoming in to save the day.
Who knows?

Who knows?
We'd love that.
Squirrel Girl's lore isridiculous.
The cameo would be awesome.
Like, I love it so much.
And also I actually just loveSquirrel Girl.
I just, I can't get over howawesome her lore is.
I just hope they, I just

Cozy Snap (25:06):
hope they do the F4 the right way.
Like, people have so much lovefor the new heroes.
And, like, you know, you look atthe thing and it's like, who
cares?
Like, we have the Hulk, but thething is such a cool character.
And so it's Being able to bringall their faults to, to light
and then like the pros and thecons and really the, you know,
obviously the first family feeland I'm a sucker for like old
time with future tech.

(25:26):
I think it's such a cool era tocover and so fantastic for doing
that.
It is awesome.
Can't wait.
Also, I also love to see thatthey're you know, obviously in
the MC world eventually that weknow and love.
Council of reads if you guysknow a lot of cool stuff coming.
Anyway, things sucks at Marvelsnap That's where we got From
all this you have something tosay

one thing.
I will say about the moviethough That's really exciting
too.
And I try to celebrate this withmy kids I was showing my kids
and like they weren't asimpressed.
It's for anyone that has kids Ioften talk about what the
superpowers are of the hero.
So i'll ask my like my kids I'llsay what's what's iron man's
superpower and they'll say hecan fly.
He's got his suit.
He can shoot blasts.
I'm like no He's smart Hestudied at school.

(26:05):
He's a genius.
What's Thanos superpower?
You might not realize that healso has genius level intellect.
What's Mr.
Fantas Mr.
Fantastic's superpower, right?
I like talking about how, like,intelligence is a superpower.
And so, like, that's justsomething I lean into with my
kids.
I just thought I'd share that.

Cozy Snap (26:20):
I love that.
I'm always like, I'm theopposite.
I'm like, Hulk's big and strong,right, son?
I should probably talk about thebrain part more.
He's two, you know, I just gowith the big stuff for now.
But yeah, it is cool, man, thata lot of the really the biggest
baddest heroes are just thesmart ones man, like the super
smart ones you know, dr.
Strange even but anyway, thingsucks.
Not a great hero I think laufeyreally even highlights that even

(26:42):
more You now have a four sixthat wants to be in high evo
probably more than he does But Ithink that the Abomination build
does have a place, and, and I'mexcited.
So I, I think this guy, there'smore there than that meets the,
the eye at first, andpotentially Laufey would be the
first one that I recommend, not,not TTR, but Laufey would be the
first one I recommend to go for.

Can I just, can I say something?
We, we haven't said in a longtime.
Yep.
If Laufey is good forAbomination, Moon Girl, double
up.
Let's go.

Cozy Snap (27:09):
There we go.
Got it.
Hey, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I, I appreciate you looking outfor that.
Alright, next up we have Gorgon.
Gorgon, Gorgon, guys.
He is a 2 cost 3 power card, andhe is interesting as his ongoing
effect.
Your opponent's cards thatdidn't start in their deck cost
1 more.
And I feel like this guy'scoming out a little bit late, a

(27:29):
little bit on the late side overhere, but clearly we've got the
Airsham counter.
The victoria hand counter thedare I say it agent calls
counter take a moment take atake a moment of silence and I
also think gorgon in the futurewill be really good for a draft
mode because cards that cancreate cards Are very strong in
draft mode.

(27:50):
And he's kind of a locationcounter But like we talked about
with what was that loser's namecobra?
Is there a spot is there a spotfor gorgon in these decks right
like to me?
Because of Airsham and the reignof Airsham dying down, this card
feels like Mobius and Mobius.

(28:10):
When will you put him in a deck?

Yep.
Exactly.
He's not a great release valve.
I actually don't think he actsas a good release valve.
I think he can be usedoffensively.
We'll discuss that momentarily.
I just, before I get into thatthough, I want to say that I
really hope I know this willnever happen, but I just want to
throw this hope out there thatwe could get a variant that's a
Goron from.
Legend of Zelda, because everytime I hear Gorgon, I think

(28:33):
about Gorons.
And so, I don't know why, youknow those big rock dudes, the
fire rock dudes?
Of course I do,

Cozy Snap (28:38):
of course I do.
I love

those dudes.
Yeah, I love to see a variant ofthat if Nintendo will allow.
Very, you know, non litigiousyou know, company Nintendo.
Loves fanfic.

Cozy Snap (28:47):
Yeah, love.
Definitely doesn't do DMCA.

We'll let you use their IP at willy nilly,
however you want, Marvel.
No worries.
But yeah, I think you're right,dude.
I don't think you'll use thiscard defensively.
I think it's purely going to beused offensively.

Cozy Snap (28:59):
Side note on this, I used to talk about both Star
Wars and Marvel, if they evermade like a Call of Duty or like
a Overwatch style game, it woulddo good.
Rivals came out.
And it's not surprising, right?
It's a lot, it's a bigundertaking.
Bro, if nintendo made a cardgame like snap it would go
bonkers.
I know they have pokemon What noi'm talking like what you just
said zelda.
It's like super smash right?
Everything under it is underthat umbrella Dude, it would be,

(29:23):
that game would be a moneymaker, man.
Like, imagine using Like, Lord

Kanna, but Nintendo.

Cozy Snap (29:26):
Yeah, imagine using the guy, the Goron, that does
the dance from the Ocarina.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
I would love that, man.
I forgot that And then, like,the

spell cards are songs, and so you can, like,
play the Song of Storms.

Cozy Snap (29:37):
I still have those songs built in my memory, man.
Just built right into my It'sone in my head

right now.

Cozy Snap (29:42):
Oh man, all of them.
All of them.
I could, I could name most ofthem.
Even some of them.
I like

the accordion sound before.
All the guys in like the little,what's it called?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's just pissed off the world.
He has

Cozy Snap (29:52):
the

accordion?

Cozy Snap (29:53):
Yeah.
And then you go in the past, yougo in the future and he's like
even more mad.
You're like, dude, this guy justnever, he never chills.
He never, he just never.

It's

Cozy Snap (30:02):
a good game.
I remember spending

like days trying to get the, what was it
called?
The wedding couple mask.

Cozy Snap (30:06):
Oh yeah.
Oh, the the Pikachu mask.
Essentially.
It looks like a Pikachu.
The yellow one.
Yeah.
Yeah,

yeah, absolutely.
But I took forever.
It sucked.
You had to like go through like

Cozy Snap (30:15):
a, like a, this is super off topic.
I think Zelda games though arelike meant the most to me in my
childhood.
Almost.
I think they were some of thebest games to me growing up.
Like Ocarina of Majora's Mask.
Link to the past, all of itincredible.
And I know the lore really welltoo.
Like it's like, it's a very cooluniverse.
It's probably like, Oh man, yougot me going anyway.

(30:36):
Okay.
Should we, should we,

everyone our age remembers hitting the water
temple for the first time andbeing like stressed out, you
know, remember the water temple?
Do I remember the water temple?

Cozy Snap (30:44):
I remember being a kid before strategy books were
out and you had to give JabuJabu a fish to go in his belly
as like young Link.
And I, I, it, that took me like.
Two weeks to figure out like youhad to hear about it through a
neighbor through a kid of aneighbor and you're like Oh,
that's how like that was thegolden age that will never get
again a video games where thereyou couldn't go online and look

(31:05):
Stuff up.

Yeah, like literally the the schoolyard is
like where you'd find out thelegitimate strategies to
figuring out the water temple So

Cozy Snap (31:15):
good.
All right.
Yeah, so that was a huge derailon Gorgon and Goron.
But yes, so do I think he'scoming out late I think he's
like Mobius and Mobius The onlything that I see this guy being
cool for is you play him downand then you play Black Widow,
and you send over the Widows.
I think we talked about thatlike way long ago.
That's the only time where Ithink like, okay, but I still

(31:37):
think that's probably gimmicky.

I was thinking about what I'm going to do for
Gorgon in terms of a deck, andthere used to be an attempt.
To do Darkhawk and Ronintogether, because you almost
kind of did the same thing, butthey were a little bit mutually
exclusive from one another.
But Gorgon might just be a cardthat brings it together.
Because if you think about it,the rocks will be more
expensive, although they don'tgenerally play the rocks anyway.

(32:00):
But you got Master Mold, right?
Those Sentinels become moreexpensive.
The Widow's Bite becomes moreexpensive.
And if they're not drawingthings, they're also helping the
Darkhawk to some degree.
So, like, there's a chance thatKorg, Rockslide, Master Mold
Black Widow, Gorgon, and then,like, literally the Ronin shell
with Darkhawk might be legit.
The deck, like, we're almostdone, the deck right there.

(32:21):
Like, the deck kind of writesitself, and I would be very
interested to see how thatworks, because it has the
offensive capability, and thenas a kind of side hustle, you
get the defensive side, too,against the Arishems and
everything else.
So, that's kind of where I'mgoing to lean with it.

Cozy Snap (32:33):
There's a shot, yeah, I thought about Master Molds
here, I was like, interesting,you know, at least At least
Mastermold has some new use caseof a card I haven't played in
way too long.
But so you said there was onecard better than Laufey.
Was it this guy

this one?
yeah, I think the reason why isbecause I'm trying to figure out
a like Ronin Darkhawk deck withMoonstone where you could
basically like either Ronin orDarkhawk on turn five With
Mystique on turn six and if youhave Moonstone down on four you
can like double dip on theeffects I think that could be

(33:07):
potentially pretty interesting.
I'm trying to figure out likewhat those lines look like.
It's still, I'm still trying tolike figure it out again.
We, we got hit with these cardsright off the, by surprise here.
Right.
But like, I do think that likethis potentially has more
offensive capabilities thanLaufey is.
I just see it having more metarelevance, but not by a long
shot.
Like, I still think it's like athree and a half four star card.
I just like it ever so slightlymore than Laufey.

Cozy Snap (33:29):
The only other thing I thought about that you could
do with him is you could Youcould play Spectrum and
Moonstone.
So, Moonstone, you double it upeven more, so you like, you make
it even worse for them.
But then also mainly Spectrum.
It's a 2 body.
I like the 2 body.
It has a 3 on it.
And it's kind of what you'resaying.
You're able to have the techcard of it.
And then you're able to, like, Iknow for sure if Triple M,

(33:52):
Mobius and Mobius was a 2, youwould play Spectrum just because
you're getting You're just,you're getting now that two body
for a little bit extra thatfeels pretty good and then you
have the divvy.
You know, that to me feels likeit has a shot as well.

One thing I'll mention though, I was just
thinking about this because Iliterally just did like a, like
a weekly deck guide.
And Erishim's not really caringabout multiple cards per turn
right now.
Like, I wonder how much thisaffects Erishim, because
Erishim's playing Doom 2099packages right now, where it
just wants to play one big cardafter another, and that's kind
of the top shell of Erishim.
So it might not even reallycounter that all that much.

(34:26):
It'll slow it down.
So might want to lead into itoffensively more than
defensively for sure.

Cozy Snap (34:29):
Yeah, it might slow it down a little bit, but it I
think what it does, too, is itallows them to occupy that space
more creatively, so they canmake more cards that do stuff
like Iron Patriot did.
And, obviously, this is a bigIron Patriot counter kind of,
but, like, it's you know, thoseeffects are so cool, but they've
needed something to releaseValve in a little bit, and so
now we've got that even more so.
Obviously, Victoria Hand isgoing to help him, but it's cool

(34:52):
to slow that engine down.
Last but not least, this cardhas been here since the
beginning of Snap.
Uncle Ben has been around in thedatamines.
And Uncle Ben is finallyreleasing into the game.
He's a 1 cost, a 2 power card.
Alex, on reveal, when this cardis destroyed, replace it with

(35:14):
Spider Man.
Core went out.
Core went out for Uncle Ben,getting replaced by Spider Man,
a 2 4.
Now at the time, when the gamecame out, Spider Man was a 5 2
or something like that, a 5 3.
I know, I know, Alex is takinga, a full minute to shed a tear
for Uncle Ben.
It's only moments from now untilwe get an Aunt May, that blows
up from Green Goblin.

(35:34):
Yeah, I mean, hey, spoilers?
Dude, that was on like the old,oh.
Yeah, I'm just thinking of theone where I was thinking of the
Tobey Maguire one, man.

Don't tell them about the Star Wars one.
That one always gets peopleevery single time.

Cozy Snap (35:50):
The Darth Vader thing?
We can't talk about it.
We already had, we had enoughuser complaints.
They got mad at us enough.
Listen here.
Uncle Ben is, in my opinion,just a worse not a worse, I
guess he's just a Bucky Barnes.
Again, that Bucky's not beingplayed, Winter Soldier's not
being played unless you play inRivals.
I feel like, once upon a time,this card was okay.

(36:12):
If you had Spider Man to what hewas at a 5 cost.
Now, what are we doing?

I think they sat down, they're like, alright,
we got Uncle Ben.
He was literally datamined inthe beta.
Let's, for memes, not changehim.
And yes, he's worse than Uatu.
Yeah, let's make him a freecard.

Cozy Snap (36:28):
We said new era, they told us to pull out all the
stops, it's time to release theKraken, Uncle Ben.

So the only coping I did with this is
theoretically, theoretically,and even now it doesn't work
because it's not even a 3 costanymore, but what if you had
like Silver Surfer with likeNova Killmonger?
And you could blow it up andyou'd get the Spider Man down
with the silver surfer.
That could have been cool, butthat doesn't even work anymore.
So like, what are we even doing?
There is a new card that's beendatamined called fire here that

(36:56):
brings back a destroyed cardwhen it's moved.
So then you could double proc onuncle Ben, but why the hell
would you do that?
So like, I think this is, isthis a zero star card?
Is this a card that you never,ever play?
Seriously?

Cozy Snap (37:06):
I was also thinking like, it's not the first, but
it's damn near close of one ofthe least relevant.
Things to come to the game thisopens the floodgate to now hit
like anything Marvel like almostall these cards We have they got
superpowers.
They can do things right andthen you got Uncle Ben like It's
just to me.

(37:27):
It's hilarious that this guy'sin here I hope there's a game

mode.
They're going to release likelike who they're going to
release.
You think there's a variant

Cozy Snap (37:34):
that he's dead on the ground?
Oh, it's so savage.
I mean, I'd buy it.
Would you?
If you have like, okay, theTobey Maguire, like holding him.

With great power.
You want to buy that?
Yeah, I have to

Cozy Snap (37:47):
man.
He better say that when he dies.
Oh, I hope when he dies, he saysthat.

He has to though.

Cozy Snap (37:54):
If they don't, I will, I will, I will make a
video complaining.
I will like.
I'll be like, what are we doing?
What are we doing?
Alright, let's talk aboutquickly, guys, let me pull this
up here.
I'm gonna put better stuff upfor everybody else.
That's I just thinking

like in terms of like opening this up for more
Marvel characters, like you'regonna get like Norman Ooz
Osborne.
Oh yeah.
Secretary as a cart.

Cozy Snap (38:18):
The guy in the bus next to Shung Chi in the bus
scene.
Yeah, like it opens up a can ofworms.
Alright, all of these cards,Alex, though, are going to be
coming from Sanctum Showdown, abrand new game mode, temporary
game mode.
I hate when they say game modeand it's like, temporary.
But, temporary game mode,that'll be coming to Snap, and I
think it's pretty damninteresting.

(38:40):
We'll talk about the game modein a second, but the most
interesting thing to break downis the rewards that will come
from it.
By far, the thing we have tohighlight, the thing we have to
talk about is You have theability to get not 1, not 2, 4
series 4 or 5 cards just fromplaying this game mode.
This is something we've wantedfor so long.

(39:00):
The chance to play the game andbe rewarded back.
Put in the grind if you want thecards for free and you have the
chance to get essentially 4 or 5unowned, big bold word, unowned
series 4 or 5 cards.
Bro, that's massive.

We've never seen anything with the unowned
tag on it like that's crazyThat's what like we were hoping
the like random card on theseries spotlight caches was
always gonna be the unownedWould they have the technology
cozy?
It's proof.
They can do it.
It's here.
We can do it Yeah, this is huge.
One thing worth mentioningthough is just to like temper
some expectations Glenn did makea comment where it's like He

(39:41):
said, like, it's very unlikelyyou'd be able to, as a free to
play player, unlock everything,right?
Like, I think they tried to giveyou as many options as possible,
so you get to, like, pick yourpick and choose what you want.
But, like, if you're like, I'mgonna get all three new cards.
I'm also gonna get four seriesfour and five cards.
And I'm gonna get every singleborder, every single variant.
Like, I don't think that'sactually possible.
Do we know if you can get the

Cozy Snap (40:01):
cards?
Like, screw all the Borders andwhatever but can you get the can
you just get the cards you think

I don't want to misquote him But I believe he
said it's unlikely But he'd bevery happy if someone was able
to

Cozy Snap (40:14):
and what the hell are the scrolls?
Do we know what those are?
I have no idea.
I was hoping you knew.
No, I don't know I didn't do theenough research what I can't
tell you though is there's abunch of borders you could get
werewolf by night jeff And Mr.
Sinister emotes that all lookfantastic, Baron Zemo, Wong, and
Dr.
Strange, obviously fittingly aregoing to be in there as well, so
all cool rewards there, and thenyou can open a portal, it's half

(40:37):
the cost to get a new card, bythe way, then to get an unknown,
about half the cost to get anunknown series 4 or 5 card is
kind of what we know as of now,now if you want to know what the
game mode is, we don't know aton, but what we do know is, You
are going to be getting points,one point per location, or two
points if it's the Sanctumlocation, and your goal is to
get, and this is every singleturn, you're going to try to get

(40:59):
16 points in total, in total towin the you're going for 16
points in total to win the game.
And so what the snappingmechanic is, is it makes that
Sanctum location worth more.
And so it's a pretty, it'sdefinitely going to be way
different strategy wise, likewhere to spread out your cards,
when to double down to try toget that location you know, to
get the most points from it.

(41:20):
And there should definitely be apretty big twist to how the
locations are going to play.

I was just thinking there's a chance that
the scrolls are like the entrytickets, by the way.

Cozy Snap (41:29):
Oh, 100 percent that's what those are.
You just know it.
Yeah, I was

just thinking about that while you were
talking.
Yeah, there's a lot of rewardsand what I really like about it,
by the way, this Juice Jeffemote.
I feel like it was dataminedlike, oh, I've always wanted
that Juice Jeff and I was soworried that I was going to be
like Admittedly, I'm not a guywho finishes many albums.
I don't, I don't buy, I have notbought a variant and I have no
idea.
And so like, I I'm really farbehind on that on that note.

(41:53):
Secondary, please more 700 goldvariant albums, please.
That you can unlock throughprogression.
That's exciting.
But yeah, like I'm actuallyreally excited for that.
They are on the expensive side.
They're they're actually moreexpensive.
Then the opening a portal forthe new cards, which is kind of
crazy, but I'm gonna get thatjuice.
Jeff.
I don't care about Uncle Ben.
Screw Uncle Ben.
Crazy.
I know,

Cozy Snap (42:12):
dude.
Right?
I already know, by the way I'mgonna get Uncle Ben first by
opening this damp portal.
I'm not getting loud loudy, solater I can feel it.
But anyway, yeah.
What about the mechanics though?
You think the game mode soundscool?

I think it sounds neat.
I I'm almost positive they'regoing to be banning juggernaut
and debris because of the waythe location stuff works.
And it's just like, there'll bemainstays in those decks.
Like juggernaut would be way toovaluable in a game mode like
this, where you have to win asingle location to get extra
points, but it does sound neat.
I liked that they're beingcreative with the way they're
approaching the game.
And Yeah, no, this is goodstuff.

(42:45):
And now what we're starting tosee though is we're starting to
see a build of all thesedifferent game modes where we
have high voltage, which Ihonestly still like you have
Deadpool's diner, which had waybetter rewards the second time
around.
Did they iron some stuff out?
But I still think there's a lotof room for improvement there.
They're going to have this aswell, where they're going to get
a lot of feedback.
So I would hope.
That every single month,eventually we could have like a
rotation of different limitedtime game modes.

(43:07):
I think that having a constantrotation of limited time game
modes would be awesome, right?
Obviously I'm not a game dev,but once it's made, it's got to
be able to go back to the well.

Cozy Snap (43:15):
When they're not like Deadpool's diner, right?
Like if this one's a banger,man, it's like, that gives me so
much hope because then you have.
High voltage, you have this one,and then you add in a couple
more into that rotation, andthen it's like, oh, cool, man,
like, you're pumped for that newone to come out, good rewards to
follow it, they now have theexpectation set, though, that
will, you know, the rewards haveto match this, this is too good,

(43:37):
you know, obviously not gonnahave three new cards every
single time, but this is reallycool to have something like this
coming out but either way, supercool, excited for it, lastly,
we'll touch on card mastery nota ton, Broken down about this,
but we have seen a couple thingsand essentially, you know, a
couple things to highlight.
It is retroactive, so all thework you've done will level up

(43:59):
your cards.
You'll unlock borders and flaresand all this good stuff.
Or your favorite variants andcards, which is cool.
I think the coolest thing that Isaw taken away is that there's a
new, like, gold diamond flare ifyou've, like, mastered a card
completely, which is what I'vewanted for a long time, to show
off, like, You know, I don'tknow how hard it is to get that,
but if you're, like, a balanceplayer to have all diamond,

(44:21):
gold, these, what, that, to me,that's really cool, and
hopefully that's something theybring to it all, and all of the
backgrounds and the borders,they've done a good job.
They put a lot of care into it,and they know this is something
we've been wanting, and it lookslike they delivered pretty good
in a few days here.

You got to give secondary credit where it's
due.
This was a mode that they cutfor like technical game dev
reasons that I honestly wouldnever understand.
And they, there was suchpushback.
There was so much like love forwhat this game, this little
addition to the game wassupposed to be that they brought
it back.
They're like, you know what?
We're going to sit down.
We're going to figure it out.
The players want it.
We already went through the painof canceling it.

(45:00):
Right.
Let's bring it back.
Let's do it.
Right.
And so like, yeah, I'm sure alot of actual like effort went
into getting this mode, ready torip, ready to go.
And they've done it.
And even if it like underdelivers on first.
Kind of like first release likethis is something you can add to
constantly you can make easyadjustments to but I don't think
they will I think that they'veclearly put the effort in and

(45:21):
I'm excited for it I really ambecause I think you mentioned
before like in games like smiteand heroes of the storm and Dota
the more you play heroes you'dget like these level up things
and like people you were againstand on your team would see Like
oh damn Like you've reallyplayed this character for 150
hours.
Like this, I got to take thisguy seriously.
You know what I mean?
So yeah, I absolutely like that.
It I'm, I'm excited to see likewhere my, like she not stuff

(45:44):
ends up like where, like, I'mjust interested, like where your
Colson's going to be.

Cozy Snap (45:48):
Yeah, dude, exactly.
Whenever this first opens up,I'm excited to see kind of like
the most played cards where theyend up.
And yeah, even in rivals, man,when someone has a Lord icon,
you're like, okay, respect, likeeven if it's a bad hero, if they
have that, they know how to playthem regardless.
They know how to play them.
And so there's that respectfactor.
Love to see that come to Marvelsnap.
So we've got a pretty packedweek, man.

(46:11):
We got TTR coming.
We got the new game mode withthree new cards there.
You guys have a chance to get upto four new cards you don't have
in that game mode.
New emote, card mastery, it's abig one and a needed one for
Marvel Snap.
But also what is needed is a bigtime series drop.

Cozy.
I got something really excitingto show you here today.
We talked about this.
I would say like a month ago onyour side of the Snapchat and it
took me a while to hunt this badboy down, but I finally found
it.
It is the dog meat.
Commander deck for for Magic theGathering.
And I've been trying to chasethis thing down forever and I
couldn't find it.

(46:47):
Cause like, listen, I actuallyreally liked playing commander
and it was like, man.
I really want dog meat, dammit.
And I found it.
I finally found it.
So I'm excited to play some dogmeat commander cozy.
Next time I'm in San Diego,we're at a PAX or wherever we
might be together.
We got to pull up the commanderdecks and have a couple of
games.

Cozy Snap (47:03):
I'd be so fun to play commander, dude, like together
for sure.
I know.
Like even when we were at a PAXlast time being able to play
like.
Some rando Star Wars game likeit was just a blast like just
playing with physical productagain.
So Commander will be a goodtime.
Always in the hypothetical worldthat will never exist.
I always think about like livingclose to all the people like I

(47:23):
love that are good friends andhaving like D& D nights and
Commander nights.
Oh, it'd just be so fun, bud.
It's a, it's a world thatdoesn't exist, but it'd be cool.

I know, for me too, like, I actually don't have
anybody to play these with, andlike, even my wife, I, I try to,
like, get her to play games withme and stuff like that, but
she's so not interested thatit's, like, it's hard to play,
right?
It's funny, because they saythat opposites attract, but my
wife and I are, like, totallypolar opposites.
She does not play video games atall, she does not play board
games at all.
Right.
Like so it's funny cause like, Ican't drag her out to like do

(47:53):
these types of things.
I used to even go to Fridaynight, magic events and stuff
like that, like in nearby kindof cities and stuff like that,
but yeah.
So, I mean, PAX is a great spotfor that.
Like, that's actually one of thereasons why I love it.
I actually fondly remember uslearning how to play Star Wars
at at PAX East there, and I evenbought a Lorcana set that we
were supposed to play.
We were so busy though.
We need to make time next timewe have that opportunity to make
sure that we play some games.

(48:15):
And you know what?
It's hot about making time cozy.
I hope you made time to try someSam Wilson.
Sam Wilson was a season passcard that came out in a Marvel
snap.
And I have to tell you, he'spretty damn good.
I gave him a four star.
You came in at three and a halfto four stars.
And overall Sam Wilson isperforming well.
Statistically, this is includingso untapped based statistics,

(48:37):
collection level 6, 000 andabove ranks 70 to 100.
Cause unfortunately it's thefirst week.
So we have to include some boss,big bot based statistics, cubes.
0.
65 at a 60 percent win rate.
So he is doing very well.
What are your thoughts?
Cause

Cozy Snap (48:51):
yeah, man, I liked him in the the ongoing bill.
I thought that was fun just toget the caps out there, be able
to, to play.
I think the spectrum builds andstuff has always been cool, but
being able to combine that evenwith iron lad and Moonstone and
have.
What was just a really fun deckto play with but also have some
crazy power start to build up,as we talked about with, you

(49:11):
know Moonstone being able togive her the effect of not being
able to be destroyed, like,just, there was a lot of cool
things going on with it, andthat was probably my favorite
part, or place to do it.
I had a whole video ready, andthen that's when my whole
microphone thing went down.
But what about you, man?

Yeah, I thought he's been really
interesting, really good.
And I thought that like here andthere, like he doesn't feel as
good as some of the other seasonpass cards we've come that have
come in the past.
But he seems very, he stillseems very good.
But we've had some like brokenseason pass cards.
He feels like as good as you'regonna get without the risk of
nerfing.
Like I don't see this card beingnerfed in any way, shape, or
form, which is nice.

(49:46):
You get a little bit ofreliability with your purchase.
'cause otherwise, if.
If you bought like Loki and youwant it to play Loki, you can't
even play Loki the way youpurchased it, right?
Like it's a totally differentcard now, which still shatters
my soul.
But With Captain America, SamWilson, I think you actually
called something reallyinteresting and I had seen no
one talk about it.
It was called obsidian.

(50:07):
You had mentioned that theshield moving allowed for
callups sitting to have a verynatural place to fall.
Not only that it wasguaranteeing at least callups
sitting could go somewhere.
And so at a 52, a 62 percent winrate, sorry, we have a surter
version of Sam Wilson out there.
Which is kind of interestingbecause Culpsitting is so
naturally easy to play with SamWilson.
And so that was reallyinteresting to see.

(50:29):
But we also do have the ongoingshells, which like have spectrum
and stuff like that, which madeperfect sense.
Zoo also really likes this card.
The extra one drop there, itgets buffed by the likes.
Of you know the Marvel boy,which we did mention you know,
and then you have, of course, itbeing one drop Kzar and blue
Marvel like it as well, andobviously the Gilgamesh finish
works, works with it as well.
And it just seemed like a verynatural inclusion in a whole

(50:51):
bunch of decks.

Cozy Snap (50:52):
Yeah.
And hopefully when Redwing comesout and we can maybe try that
Dracula dump thing, I thinkthat's going to work with cool
obsidian.
And then you can maybe have thiscard involved too.
There's even future for thatarchetype to get even better.
But yeah, I think you nailed itwhen you said that it doesn't
feel like the strongest card toever come out.
We had expectations for that,but it does feel very solid at

(51:13):
that.
Reminds me again, I think I saidthis, it reminds me a little bit
of Kate Bishop in a way.
I think Kate Bishop's better,but this is in that same
wheelhouse.

You know what it is?
Kate Bishop is never frustratingin a way that Sam Wilson can be
because when you have the shieldout there and you don't draw Sam
Wilson, it sucks.
It's so annoying.
Like maybe my temper is just notmade for Sam Wilson, whereas
like I'm looking at that shield.
I'm like, bro, I have so manyplans for you and I can't do any
of it.
It's so annoying.
And because obviously it's anongoing effect.
So you have to play Sam Wilsondown.

(51:43):
And then the next turn you canmove the shield, I felt that it
was slow at times, which kind ofbrings it into that like four
star range, three and a half,four star range.
But like, yeah, it's a goodcard, but I found it personally
a little frustrating to play attimes, but what really impressed
me was the wide variety ofarchetypes that it found testing
in and all of which relativelysuccessful.
And you can't always say that itfeels okay.

(52:06):
It does not have the width ofsomething like iron Patriots.
Iron Patriot was literally verysimilar, pretty much everywhere.
It doesn't have that with.
But it feels like a very naturalinclusion in so many archetypes.
It probably needed a little bitof extra love.
Now I'm not saying the searcherneeded extra love because it got
it with Ares.
It might even get some more withwith Thunderbolt Ross.
But like zoo might've neededsomething right.

(52:28):
Zoo had been consistent for thelongest time, but now with Sam
Wilson, it's got a legit pieceto do something else.

Cozy Snap (52:33):
Yeah.
But tell me this, cause this ismy feeling.
I think in a few months he'll beforgotten.
I like this to me reminds me ofa car that is, you don't need,
and he will not be important ofrelevance within a few months.
Like it just has that writtenall over it.
And so that's my biggesttakeaways, you know, is fun and
the flavor and kind of a, youknow, buy me, buy me build.
You don't, you don't need to itwas my takeaway.

Yeah, I agree.
A hundred percent.
Like you'll be able to move onfrom this.
I think it does not have themeta impact that would be like,
well, if you don't buy thiscard, you're going to feel like
a clown, like Surtur felt thatway.
Right.
When, when you didn't haveSurtur, you're like, what is
happening all around me untilthey nerfed it.
Right.
Thankfully we'd have had, wehave not had many of those types
of cards with the season passes,but yeah, this definitely feels
of season pass caliber.

(53:15):
Skippable as a whole, if you sodesire, and I think the part of
the skippability of it too, isthat if you happen to get Iron
Patriot, they're both twothrees, they're both two slotted
cards, and they both fill verysimilar niches to some degree,
where they're like cool slotins, if you're missing cards,
right, like if you're missinglike a card on a popular deck,
you could maybe put Iron Patriotin there, you could put Sam

(53:35):
Wilson in there, and generallyit'll kind of work okay, but if
you have Iron Patriot, It kindof, I feel like they step on
each other's toes a little bit.
Obviously they don't do the samething, but if you're looking to
fill gaps in a deck list, then Ifeel like they do.
So I agree.
Definitely a little skippable onthat side.
And next that's going to take usto Joaquin Torres Falcon.
And this was in the spotlightcaches.
So as Sam Wilson was a spot wasthe season pass card.

(53:58):
Joaquin is the spotlight cashcard.
Wow.
I almost couldn't get that out,but basically.
I actually thought this cardsurprised me.
Now it's win rate and statisticsare lower.
It's running a 54 percent winrate and a 0.
47 cube rate, but its popularityis like a quarter of that of Sam
Wilson's.
Sam Wilson has been seeing a lotof experimentation and it looks

(54:20):
like only balance players havebeen playing Joaquin Torres
Falcon, but guess what?
That's expected because it's abalance card.
It is purely a balance card.
In fact, even looking atuntapped, there are almost no
variants of this card outside ofbalance.
And so, if you don't play Bounceat all, right off the top, you
can skip, skip, skip a loopright by it because you really
don't need it.

Cozy Snap (54:40):
Yeah I did see there was one deck floating around on
Twitter that was cool that wementioned about Korg having a a
good impact potentially withthis.
And I saw one that was kind oflike a Bounce deck with like
having Agent Venom involved andthen obviously Darkhawk.
And then you have the hood inthere.
So then you're able to get,like, multiple demons to your
hood.
It's not bad value because ofthe Agent Venom.

(55:01):
Or, sorry, I keep saying AgentVenom.
Yeah, Agent Venom.
I don't know why I stumbled intothat.
But anyway, you get those.
You have Darkhawk cooking upbecause you have the Korg
putting out multiple hits.
And then you can bounce thatKorg back.
So, you know, Joaquin could bethis vessel for that a little
bit.
We thought it would be a bouncecard that's about where it
landed.
I think I quoted and said, Thisis the first week in a while
that feels like there's not,like, Two really good cards on

(55:23):
the same week, like a lot ofseason pass weeks, it's tough.
They put a banger out, you know,right away.
We had that with like, OpeSummers and Red Hulk and even
last with Victoria Hand, youwanted to get that with Iron
Patriot.
And I think the weird thing itis a little bit is typically,
typically those cards synergizewith the season.
Like we've seen that a lot andwhere Joaquin does not obviously
synergize with Sam.

No, because if you had Iron Patriot, you almost
wanted Victoria Hand, or if yourolled Victoria Hand in the
Spotlight Cash, it was like,well, damn, I guess I'm spending
ten bucks on this Season Passcard now, right?
It's almost a good businesssense, to be honest with you.
But with Taurus Falcon, I haveto tell ya, in my testing, when
I was like testing and workingwith Elfstreamian, people were
like, ah, this card's kind ofmid whatever, and I could see

(56:05):
why people would say that.
And I was starting to seereviews come in, people were
like, Ah, this card's not thatgood.
I'm like, you know what though?
I think it is.
Like, I think it is good forbounce.
I don't think it's going to havethe impact that, like, Toxin
did.
However, I think that it is avery interesting form of, like,
a Wong for bounce.
That, like, yeah, it's, Wong isa four cost, this is a three

(56:25):
cost.
But when you're workingprimarily with one drops, that
allows you to activate yourcombos one turn earlier.
Because whereas you're playingWong on four, on four, you can
have walking Taurus out on threealready, or you can play him
into another one drop and thenstart some balance magic with
beast on five.
Right.
I really liked this card andwhat really stood out to me were
the winners that this cardenabled the hood huge.

(56:48):
I had a game where I had likesix or seven demons on the
board.
It was ridiculous.
There's demons everywhere.
And like they're one sixes.
If not, they're free because ofthe black Swan, which is a core
component of these decks.
Moreover, we were seeing carriesfrom cards like Rocket Raccoon.
Silver Sable was absolutely hugein it.
And perhaps the biggest winnerfor me, and we talked about it

(57:09):
before as a card that I don'tplay enough, was Nikumanaru.
Niko was absolutely insane, inparticular with the skill, or
the ability, where she doublesher own power.
She doubles twice! It's doublethe exponential growth, and if
you hit her with the with theAgent Venom, She's like 12 power
like boom boom and it's likewhat is happening?
And then you can bounce her andplay something else, right?

(57:31):
You can bounce her and theeffect changes and you so like
Nico was insane with TaurusFalcon like absolutely
ridiculous So I saw thepotential a hundred percent

Cozy Snap (57:39):
side note on Nico I did a video of like characters I
want to come to rivals the mostand I threw Nico in there just
because I feel like there's someunderground runaway for it fans
dude people were loot peoplelike finally Nico represents it
like people want to see NicoCome to life even more so it's
kind of like Jeff was the sizzleand snap and then really came to
life with rivals Like obviouslysnap is a card game So you don't

(58:00):
get to see it all but to be ableI even ripped off a little bit
of her kid on here I'm like, youknow all of her spells and like
what?
They could implement would bereally cool to see and Nico has
always been one of my favoritecards here in snap And yeah,
dude, what key we had a feelingthat you know, obviously you
think of like, okay She can movecards to the right, but there's
a couple effects there thatwhenever you get I don't know

(58:23):
why I'm blanking the thelocation that doubles the Kamar
tosh whenever you get that, youknow, you're like, wow, my Nico
could really go crazy here oreven if you get you know Cloning
vet whatever Nico has so manyabilities that you could really
just Kind of abuse and walkinghelps that out.

And the thing I liked about it too, is I often
had like, I played Joaquin onthree, and then on four, I would
play like like a one drop orsomething, I would bounce it,
but then Joaquin's now a twowith zero costed one drops.
So I could play him again, andthen all the one drops on top,
and then I could falcon themback up, and then play on top of
them again.
Iceman was pretty cool, but Iended up cutting Iceman from the

(58:59):
deck I was experimenting with,because Iceman didn't like,
carry power wise, it was likegood disruption, but what I
found really interesting, Wasthat like, I was having these
one drop cards exceed 10 powerregularly, like Silver Sable,
Rocket you know, Neeko at timesbased on what I pulled.
And then you had the finisher,the finishers of Sage and
Hitmonkey.
And if you think about it, if,yeah, if you're balancing stuff

(59:21):
back, you can Hitmonkey, Sage,and if you played the Black Swan
and all your one drops are free,that's an easy snap.
You're throwing up insane power.

Cozy Snap (59:28):
It's time to counter it and run your Killmonger,
Uncle Bindex, man, and thenyou're good to go.

Yeah, actually, you know what?
If this took off, like,severely, you would start to see
the Invisible Woman Killmongerstuff come back, I think.
Because that was the way theytried to, like, counterplay the,
the bounce with with KittyPryde, which ironically doesn't
make these decks, because it'snot on reveal, right?
And I thought about, like, KittyPryde and and Thena, but it's
just It would not be good enoughin these decks because if you

(59:52):
think about where the power andthe value is being generated,
right?
You play cards down, you toxinthem back up, you have the black
swan, you have the falcon, andyou're just repeatedly playing
these one drops to, to like,just get that effect over and
over and over and over again.
Rockets seemed risky at times,but other than that Yeah, it was
legitimately insane what thiscard could do.
And if you're a balance player,I think it's an absolute must

(01:00:13):
have.
If you don't play balance, youcan absolutely skip it because
it's the only place where it'sseeing play.
And even then we're seeing statsin the 57 percent win rate range
for these decks.
And these were already gooddecks.
However, and this is somethingwe talk about all the time.
You also have a lot of peopleplaying bounce that don't
traditionally play bounce,myself included, right?
Every time I have to record abounce video, I'm like, Oh, here
we go.
I'm going to be baitingengagement in the comments with

(01:00:34):
all these misplays.
Right.
And generally I found it prettystraightforward.
I think toxin really aids in theaccessibility of bounce, but
generally speaking, yeah, I cameaway impressed with the card
cozy.
And if you're a bounce player, Ithink it's definitely worth
adding to your collection.
And we talk about adding thingsto collections, cozy.
That's going to take us toseries drops.
Now series drops have not beenformally announced, but if you

(01:00:56):
need reminder, one of the mostjarring moments in Marvel snaps
history was when they seriesdropped a bunch of and then
people lost their minds.
And then the response to thatfrom second dinner was, Hey
guys.
We know this sucks.
The next series drop is going tobe bigger, better, and sooner
than this one.
So stay tuned.

(01:01:17):
And now we're kind of into therange of like, huh, they might
be able to announce the seriesdrop sooner or later.
And so.
Why not discuss it?
Cozy, let's actually plant someseeds for second dinner here as
to what are the cards that wewould like to see dropped.

Cozy Snap (01:01:32):
Yeah, and I wish they would do it before this new game
mode in the S4 and S5 unknownscome out.
Cause then it's like, thenyou're really feasting, right?
Cause they drop everything andthen that pool is a lot smaller.
I thought I saw hints of that.
Probably not.
But yeah, man, lots of, listen,they have, we know that they Are
going to at least make this onemuch better than before and so

(01:01:53):
that gets our hopes up a bit onto what the potential of these
drops can be.
So yeah, hit me with some cardsthat you think are, are, have a
pretty good shot to go down.
I mean, is it a lot of them?
Are they going to go crazy likethey did the compensation for
the ban and really over deliver?
Give me like a 1 through 10 onyour confidence on how, how.
Big, you think these jobs aregoing to be?

Alexander Coccia (01:02:15):
I think it has to be no less than an eight.
Like, I think you're alwaysgonna be able to look at one
card.
They're like, Oh, they didn'tdrop.
No, I don't know why they didn'tdo that or whatever.
There's always going to be onecard.
You can take a look at, but as awhole, they have to nail this.
They absolutely have to.
And I think they recognize that.
I mean, if you look at the game,all this coming out with the
sanctum there.
The rewards are awesome.

(01:02:36):
Right.
And I think that they need tostart leaning into like giving a
little bit back to thecommunity.
And I think they have beenthough, I think you're starting
to see them recognize that theyneed to be more you know, just
fruitful with their communityand be giving a little bit more.
They're, they're more generous,I would say.
And so like, yeah, I think theyabsolutely have to nail it.
Do you not agree?

Cozy Snap (01:02:54):
Yo, I mean, I think they will.
The thing is to me, it's noteven about specifically, there
is, it's definitely importantwhat.
Which cards they do, versus howmany.
We have 78 series 5 cards, 78,and 35 series 4 cards, alright?
So, 112, 113 cards in total.
That's gonna be cut downdramatically, right?

(01:03:16):
Dramatically.
And so They're gonna have tolook at, I, I, I think a
baseline is you go to Series 4and you drop everything that's
like a really non relevance, orlike, anything that just can go.
Clearly, a lot of those 35s out,and then that 78 number, you cut
that in half, and you put therest of those down to S4.
Some of those in S5, hopefullythey even take down to just full

(01:03:37):
3 altogether, potentially.
We don't know if we'll see that.
That's, you know, I don't wantto over hype and over potential
what we could see, but myfeeling is, is they don't want,
they can't lack luster hit this,right?
So they're gonna, I thinkthey're over delivering to
compensate of the safety of notunderwhelming, right?
And that's my, that's mythought.

Yeah, I think that's absolutely accurate.
And you know, let's start withseries four to series three,
which I think is very importantfor the new player experience in
particular, because they'veincreased the number of cards
you get through the progressionto the collection track for
series three.
So it's a good place to start.
Then we'll go to the heavyhitters of series five.
There's a couple of cards thatstand out for being here for a
long time.
First of all, Zabu.

(01:04:20):
And Modoc feel like they've beenthere forever.
Can you see Zabu or Modoc comingdown to series three?

Cozy Snap (01:04:26):
Yeah, those are two.
Those are two definitely thatare going to go down in my
opinion.
I think no question.
I feel like they look at age onsome of these and those are ones
that they can put down to pullthrough.

Yeah, absolutely, I do agree, and
they've been in there forever,and Zabu is actually seeing play
again, and Modok, too, with alot of the decks featuring
Bullseye and stuff like that.
Another card of that approximateera, although a little bit, or
kind of newer, is gonna beLegion.
Legion's a card that has itsplay in the the War Machine
decks, but kind of not reallyseeing much play outside of War
Machine and Aerostrom.

(01:04:56):
But, Legion could come down aswell.
It's a little newer, but still,I think I can see it falling.

Cozy Snap (01:05:01):
Yeah, I think I see Legion going down.
And Nebula too.
I think both, like, some ofthose, I think, that have been
in there for a while, and also,again, it's that impact factor,
right?
Like, to me, if you, if they'relooking at it as a business,
Nebula has kind of phased out asthat one cost premium card that
you need to have.
There's so many of those now,especially more that they've
introduced.

(01:05:21):
So, like, it's that kind ofstuff that you can bring down.
Legion may stay because of hisuniqueness, and there's other
cards that have been out longerthan him that could go down, but
That's potentially how I see it.

I instilled the thought process that I would
think that tech cards shoulddrop faster than others.
So Mobius and Mobius should beone that goes to series three.

Cozy Snap (01:05:43):
Yeah.
And almost Ravonna, it's like, Ifeel like it's tech cards.
And then like these like almostlike Patriot cards, or it's
like, they kind of give you afull archetype to play with in
some cases.
No.
But because of how long she'sbeen out, and because of She
just feels like a car that wouldbe a great home run for them to
just to send down there.

(01:06:04):
I get Darkhawk and Nola havebeen there forever.
Those two gotta go down now atthis point.
There's just no reason.
They help with the archetype.
Awesome.
Let's put them down.
There's just no question there.
There's just some obvious onesthat I think they just, there's
just no point for them not to godown.
Silk.
Is another one, you know, likeLiving Tribunal, I think will
stay.

(01:06:24):
I think that's one that willstay in series.
Like, there's a couple that youlook at, like Iron Lad.
I don't know if they would bringhim down.

I think it stays up.
Yeah,

Cozy Snap (01:06:32):
there's a couple of these like, or X23 is another
good example.
I don't think she ever goes downeither.
So, those are the ones I thinkmight stay in S4.

I'm calling this right now, both Nimrod and
Phoenix force go down to threecause they're in a spotlight
cash for one more hurrah.
And so they got there, they'deat up a couple more caches for
everyone, you know, take, takesome keys out of the economy and
then they drop them to seriesthree.
That's probably what's going tohappen there.
But yeah, I think that that'smore or less what I would have
talked about a hit monkey too, Iguess.
Like if if you think about hitmonkey and what, how important

(01:07:01):
it is to those balance basedarchetypes.
It's got to drop eventually, butyeah Nebula was actually kind of
recent.
Wasn't it?
It was not the most recent,recent series job, but the one
before that,

Cozy Snap (01:07:10):
I don't think it's been in series

for that long.
Right.
But I think it could definitelyfall again.

Cozy Snap (01:07:14):
Yeah.
To me, it's more of like, it'sjust the ones that do they even
need to be there?
Like it is my take and ratherlike if listen, second dinner
doesn't look at the time thing,we can prove that with Nolan
Darkhawk.
So I think like, let's make itstay consistent with that.
And I don't think it matters allthat much.
It's the ones that feel likethey should be S4.

(01:07:36):
Maybe Nebula stays, but that wasmy thought on it.

Okay.
And I think that more or lesscovers series four.
That's what I would expect.
I'm fully in line with youthere.
Now let's go to series five.
There's a lot more cards, a lotmore of these are more
impactful.
Unfortunately, we have someseries five cards that seem to
have a lot of plot armor withregards to series drops.
And it seems like the morepopular they are and the better
they are, the higher they stayup.
Right.
So I'm going to start withsomething.

(01:07:59):
We did mention that tech cardsshould drop faster.
Quick question though, beforeyou start, do

Cozy Snap (01:08:03):
you think any of these go down to pool three?
Immediately from series

five.

Cozy Snap (01:08:08):
I think I don't

think they would do that.
No, I think you think there's,do you think you're going to see
a double drop?

Cozy Snap (01:08:11):
Didn't we get that?
I feel like we got that beforewith one or two parts.
Was that Jean gray or somethinglike something?

I don't ever remember a car dropping that
fast.
I remember, I remember likegladiators dropping from five to
four fast wasn't

Cozy Snap (01:08:23):
Jean S five.
Right.
And now isn't she pull three.
Yeah, but I

think she sat at series four for a while.

Cozy Snap (01:08:29):
Potentially.
I don't know.
I feel like they, they have 78cards to handle.
So if they put.
A lot of these in a pool four,then you just have a huge pool
four at that point, because thenthey would, if they're only
dropping some of those, so I dothink we might get some of these
to go down all the way to threepotentially, but it's a serious,
it's a serious drops.
I don't know how they, that's myguess though.
That's my guess.

Hmm.
Hmm.
But they won't be able to, youknow, rip those tokens out of
your pockets if they do it thatway, right?
So you got to keep that in mind.
Talking about tech cards, wediscussed tech cards dropping a
little more frequently.
Now this one's running a 24percent play rate and a 55
percent win rate.
It's Red Guardian.
Red Guardian is literally allover the place.
And if you're someone who'sthinking to yourself, Oh, you
know, is Luke Cage a problem?
What about Red Guardian?

(01:09:10):
Can you see Red Guardiandropping or is it simply too
popular right now?

Cozy Snap (01:09:13):
No, he should go.
He definitely should go down.
Yeah, I think Red Guardian, asyou said, tech cards are
important to have.
Especially ones that are playeda lot important to go down
there.
There are series five cards, youlook at them and you're like,
there's no shot, but there aresome that you look at and you're
like, they have to go and Ithink he's one.

Yeah.
What's one that you think is noshot?

Cozy Snap (01:09:32):
So the ones that I think aren't going to go down
are things like gore.
I think Nico.
Might stay up there, too.
I think

I agree.
I don't think Nico drops these

Cozy Snap (01:09:40):
power.
It's not that they're likepowerful in play.
They are, but also they justthey feel as five to me, man.
I think a life potentially couldstay even though that's weird.
I think he could stay mockingbirds.
Another I think I could see themdropping Wiccan.
I can see them dropping sagecopycat potentially, but like
these big, they just kind ofstand out a little bit, right?

(01:10:03):
Like, Red Hulk, I don't thinkRed Hulk's going down.
I think he's going to stay in S5as well.

I don't think Wiccan goes down.
I think Wiccan's too good.
He's on the edge.
I think Wiccan stays up.
Yeah, I think Wiccan stays up.
And I think what you're tryingto get at and what I was
thinking about too, I think it'sless about performance with
Series 5 and sometimes about thedesign space they occupy.
If you think about Neeko, itfeels premium because it's a
really cool card that does likea really wide amount of things.
The same reason why Ereshimwon't drop.

(01:10:30):
Because it's a very unique card,okay?
You have the classic big bads,right?
Of like Thanos and Galactus.
They don't drop because they doa very specific, big game
altering thing.
So I wonder how much of it'slike design and how long they've
been there for.
Versus their win rate andplayability.
And to

Cozy Snap (01:10:49):
me, if they go by that, then it's like, they
should really go by that.
And.
Everything that's more nicheshould go at least down one,
right?
So like Circe has no businessbeing in, in S5, right?
Like those style of, of cardsthat are maybe just moved
opinion.
Or Rania like I know she'snewer, but she can go down.
Right.
Because it's just.
Very niche.

(01:11:09):
Makari's definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They just don't have a lot.
Like, Anti Venom?
I think will stay.
It's another, kind of weird,kind of niche, but I think he'll
stay.
And Anti both Anti Venom andAgent Venom.
By the way, I was trying tocorrect myself.
It was Agent Venom I wasreferring to earlier, not Anti
Venom on this Darkhawk deck.
Besides the point.
Thanos isn't moving.
The old big bads aren't moving.

(01:11:31):
Blob probably isn't movingeither Alex.
But, Cannonball.
Tyera, US agent.
They're all moving.
Yeah.

Yeah.
I w I would say so.
I think cannibal, I wonder ifthey don't move cannibal down
because they, I think they'revery hesitant to make cannibal
like overly accessible becauseof how disruptive it can be.
Remember, it was previouslynerfed.
It was buffed back up.
But they had to change theprofessor X for that to happen.
So I wonder if they're carefulwith that.
I guess the big one for me is Iwonder if we're at a point where

(01:11:59):
Jeff goes to four, or do youthink Jeff stays up?
I think he should

Cozy Snap (01:12:01):
go.
No, I think he should go.
I think I think he's like thedark.
I, he, he fits the thing that wesaid earlier.
Like he's very unique.
He does his thing, but he's beenthere so long at this point that
it's time to bring him down.
It's kind of a meme, right?
Like he would be the one thatthey could have an amazing drop.
And then if he wasn't broughtdown, people be like, come on,
get Jeff down there.
You know?
I can see him going to S4.

The month that sticks out in my head is the one
that's every one of them isgoing to drop is going to be the
block order.
I think the entire block ordergoes down.

Cozy Snap (01:12:29):
Yeah.

Proxima, Corvus, Cull Obsidian.
They all check those boxes wherethey don't really do, even Black
Swan, right?
Like they're not really metaimpactful, but they're worth
having in a collection.
I think it's an easy win takingthe entire block order and
dropping them down one.

Cozy Snap (01:12:43):
Yeah, they do.
They definitely fit that, thatrole.
Like Gwynpool, I think mightstay Some of these like scream
and symbiote spider man.
I think they can probably godown I think symbiote probably
stays.
I think scream could go downthough.
I do

zero chance I think you're huffing an insane
amount of opium.
I think it'd be a win.
It'd be a win Yeah, I wonderman.
What if they did a thing wherethey actually like What if they
had like one card every seriesdrop that was like the banner
card, you know They draw likecan you imagine the series drop
announcement and on the front ofit is like Nico and scream like

(01:13:15):
doing a fist Bump or something,you know what?
I mean?
Like they know they're droppingsome heavy hitters down or
that's part of the appeal.

Cozy Snap (01:13:21):
Yeah What's important too is they also need to
probably announce or hope theydo their plan moving forward
with this like so, you know ifthey You can fix the leaks in a
boat, right?
But eventually, those leaks willcome back, and so it's like,
Eventually, that boat's gonnafill up with water.
Eventually, we're gonna get moreof these cards again, and
they're gonna have to Have thesame issue unless they continue

(01:13:43):
to have big drops like this.
I guess maybe that's what theydo but yeah, I mean long time
ago She Hulk was that bannercard that you know, we were
like, whoa, like, you know, shelooks going down Shuri

too, right?

Cozy Snap (01:13:54):
Yeah, so I do think I do think they're gonna have some
that are on that list of like,oh wow We you know, I wasn't
expecting XYZ.

Yeah.
I think that with 100 percentcertainty, I'm going to call it
right now.
I think Kyara goes down becauseI think that makes perfect
sense.
I would actually venture to sayif any cards are gonna go from
five to three, it would beKyara.
And I think the reason why isbecause it's for zoo players.
You think about early collectionlevel play, right?
Zoo players could use Kyara toprotect them against Killmonger,
perhaps be more.
You know, efficient at you know,in conquest or at higher MMRs

(01:14:26):
when they get to infinite and etcetera, I think Cairo might be
one of the only ones that I cansee going from five to three,
because it activates anarchetype that works in that
frame for series three players.

Cozy Snap (01:14:37):
That makes sense.
I do have a question as far aswe talked about the old big bad,
Thanos Galactus.
High Evo and yeah, so that's whyI brought this up.
So came, what do they do?
Right?
So if they bring King down, thenthe old car doesn't

exist

Cozy Snap (01:14:53):
exactly as it should go down, right?
Like it should go down, but thenthey, they mess with the big bad
term, but then, you know, ourgloves off.
Can others go down?
Can a high Evo go down to thepool for him?
King does.

I think they don't bring Kang down.
I think they look to redesignhim again.
I bet you Glenn had a design forKang and they did like it and
they never shipped it.
I bet you like, do you rememberhow we had a patch that got
delayed by like six hours oneday?
They were taking Kang out of thepatch is what happened.

Cozy Snap (01:15:22):
Yeah, I think

that's my guess.
I

Cozy Snap (01:15:24):
think he's right there with the Adam Warlock
change.
Yeah, it's coming anytime now,right?
Anytime.
Don't

hold your breath, but it's coming.

Cozy Snap (01:15:30):
Yeah, right.
But yeah, man, I think it'sfunny.
You can almost do the eyeballtest as I scroll through all of
these and I can just be like,This feels solid.
This feels like it's too recent.
This feels like it's recent, butshould go down.
There's a lot of these that justmake sense.
Like, Toxin's never gonna movein a while.
Cause he's just like that superenhancing bit.
Even though he's limited tobounce, I feel like he might

(01:15:51):
stay.
Loki's gonna go down.
You know, you could go throughall these and really be able to
tell what's gonna go, what'sgonna stay.
Like Annihilus, even though he'snot played, I don't know.
Maybe?

These like, lynchpin cards to the archetypes
feel like they hold more weightat series 5, and Oh man, but the
problem is, is like what I thinkwe've been experiencing over the
last couple, like several monthsof Marble Snap is that the cards
have been much more balanced andgood, but not game breaking, but
ever so good so that theyimprove existing archetypes.

(01:16:25):
And so for a free to playplayer, it's become more
difficult to.
Pick your resources becauseeverything is kind of good.
Like think about how skippableat first glance Wiccan felt.
And then once those decks gotironed out, Wiccan is still a
core part of the meta, right?
Like it's still doing work.
And you can even make the sameargument for like speed.
Speed is a good card that Ithink probably doesn't get

(01:16:47):
played because people don't havehim, honestly.
And he doesn't get the metapenetration because his number
doesn't go up because peopledon't have them.
And then like, when you thinkabout what series drops do, they
really increase theaccessibility.
In particular, while a lot ofpeople really focus on the
series five to four, becauseit's the having of the tokens,
which is notable.
Cause we also get double thetokens we used to from spotlight

(01:17:07):
caches moving from series fourto three is an even bigger
change because those cards areway more free to play
accessible, like insanely freeto play accessible through the
collection track, especiallywith the doubling of the
progression.
And so for me, series five tofour is.
It's all good and everything,but that just means it's
additional progress towardsseries four to three, where I
think it makes the most sensefor players.

Cozy Snap (01:17:28):
And yeah, for my final thoughts, I would say that
they've also talked about cardacquisition changing entirely.
So, you know, there is a chancethey do bring almost the whole
chunk of these to S4, right?
None of these do go to S3, butthe way to get S4 cards is
entirely different, right?
Or whatever they end up doing.
Like, I can see that.

(01:17:49):
Being very largely realistic, solike, series drops happen way
more often.
The S5s go to S4 way more often.
We still have the concrete S5s,but then getting S4s is about 10
times, whatever they do.
Whatever they do for S4s, I cansee that being a realistic
change.

Or you just get rid of the series thing
altogether.
They're either in the collectiontrack or their series, whatever
their cash cards or whatever,get rid of the distinction.
You're either in the collector'strack or you're not.
That's another point ofdiscussion as well.
But you know what else, sir, isa point of discussion.
We had so many questions for theSnapchat mailbag last week, my
friend, and a lot of themrevolved around.

(01:18:28):
Some random discussions we had.
We'll get to some Marble Snapquestions as well, but we got to
get some core business out ofthe way, sir.
Question number one comes fromDark Angel, and it read, Beast
Wars was my introduction toTransformers.
Also watched Reboot 2, watched aton of DBZ, early Pokemon, and
early Digimon.
I also played a lot of Marvelvs.
Capcom 3 and got into Marvelstuff through Spider Man, the

(01:18:50):
Animated Series, and X MenEvolution.
Also very much enjoyed JackieChan Adventures.
I think I stopped watching afterthe villain attempted to bring
their brother and sister fromthe other dimension.
Such a throwback.
Thanks for the memory lane trip,Alex and Cozy.

Cozy Snap (01:19:04):
Yeah, a couple things.
I watched Like a YouTube thingon Beast Wars and it clicked for
me.
I've definitely seen it.
I didn't put it together.
That was Transformers, but yes.
100 percent I was cracking up atthe few people that laughed at
my my Jackie reference.
Also I get a lot of Canadians onmy side that comment and they
go, Alex, what do you, what doyou want?
What, what did you grow up?

(01:19:25):
What?
Cause they knew this stuff.
So maybe it depends on where youlived in Canada.

Well, I'm in like the Toronto area.
You'd think that I'd be gettingmost of the stuff that comes
from the States, but maybe I'mjust a clown, man.
I don't know.
I've, I've been known to be aclown in the past.

Cozy Snap (01:19:40):
But yeah, it was definitely cool reliving down
Nostalgia Lane.

In title of Nostalgia Lane, Steven brought
up something important here andsays, To just so casually brush
over samurai pizza cra pizzacats is criminal.
Cozy, you had never heard ofsamurai pizza cats.

Cozy Snap (01:19:55):
I haven't.
I don't know.
What are you

watching down south, bud?

Cozy Snap (01:20:00):
Yeah, no, Samurai Pizza Cats did not did not make
the American audience.
Probably did.
There's gonna be a millionpeople saying I watch it.
I've never seen that.
I've never even heard of it.
It sounds made up.
It sounds AI generated.
Well, sir,

you have homework for the weekend.
After the Super Bowl, you'regonna say, Honey, we're watching
some Samurai Pizza Cats.
I don't know where you wouldfind it.
I'm sure there's some, like, 20year old YouTube video uploaded
of some, like, blurry 120pfootage of it.
But, sir, you are missing out.
It has a great intro.
Even if you just watch theintroductory, like, kind of
title sequence, that's worth it.

(01:20:30):
I don't even remember anythingelse of that.
Yeah, that'll be your homework.
Then we're going to go into someactual Marvel snap from Ventus
here, who says with how manycards are being added and with
how many cards are being cut ornot played, do you think that
snap will eventually increasedeck sizes or energy per turn?
I feel like it could eventuallybe necessary to keep cards
relevant.

Cozy Snap (01:20:49):
Yeah, I've given up hope on a deck size or no,
sorry.
Deck size will never change.
I, I thought decks, You'retalking deck slots.
Deck slots, I gave up hope onthat.
That would

be an easy dub, just give us more deck
slots for sure.
For

Cozy Snap (01:21:00):
sure, yeah, I don't think they're gonna change the
core fundamentals of the game.

Yeah, I actually agree with that.
Changing the enemy sorry, energyper turn or the deck size I
think would be kind of crazy butthat's not to say that you
couldn't perhaps have a limitedtime game mode that modifies the
deck building restrictions,right?
That's, that's, well, I mean,energy per turn is by voltage,
right?
Changing the deck design for agame mode could be an
interesting take.

(01:21:24):
Like, oh, we talked aboutcommander before.
What if you were to make a 100,I mean, part of the commander is
that everything's an individualone piece card, right?
It's a like each, but like snapsalready that what if you had a
40 card deck with four,

Cozy Snap (01:21:39):
I think even if they went up to 15, it would be a
monster difference in the game.
Like, you know, I.
We'll think about snap is whenyou have 12, you know, you're
able to really make a differenceby just adding a few.
Think about how many decks, man,that if you could even add one
more card, that whole deck is sodifferent.
And so adding like three spotsto a destroyed deck would be
fascinating.

It would be, yeah, you're right.
And, but I mean, Hey, that'ssomething for the future.
Limited time game mode withcustom deck building
considerations would be prettycool.
Next question comes fromNicholas and it reads, Power
creep has become a problem, butI think Cozy has the right idea
that OTAs are a better solutionthan either rotation or power
creep.
They should try to be morecreative with early series
cards.
For example, I think a Mr.

(01:22:20):
Fantastic buff would have beento have him give his power to
adjacent locations.
His power might need to beadjusted accordingly, but then
he has synergy with Surfer,Forge, Galacta, and etc.
He's not OP for early gameplayers, and his power level
scales as you advance yourcollection.

Cozy Snap (01:22:35):
Yeah I, I, I don't understand the question.
So like, Mr.
Fantastic did get that buffthough.

Yeah, essentially.
But what I think they're tryingto hint at is that like, instead
of having rotation or straightup power creep using OTAs as a
method to kind of keep things incheck is important.
But I think the major point thatI found fascinating was the idea
of like buffing early seriescards that benefit from
increasing your collection lateron.
Oh,

Cozy Snap (01:23:02):
okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I think, again, it's liketaking those risks a little bit
more.
Is what we highlighted last weekand I think that that that is
the core essence of how to keeppower creep and check is, is
risking some of the old designsa bit more and testing the
waters.
We've seen them be able to, youknow, take things back pretty
quickly.
And it'd be, you know, I thinkthat's the way to go.

And we have two more questions, both related
to the MCU.
Cause cozy, you had brought itup.
We have one from Batman thatsays love and thunder was my
biggest disappointment in theMCU, which is followed by
Wolfsbane, who says I'm agreeingwith cozy daredevil is awesome.

Cozy Snap (01:23:38):
You, did you finish the movie?

I did, I did finish Love and Thunder.
What'd you think?
I thought it was better thaneveryone said it was.
But it wasn't good.
Like, I've seen good moviesbefore, it wasn't that.
But it wasn't terrible.
People were talking about Loveand Thunder like it was absolute
garbage.
Like, people would be like,don't even watch it, like save
your hour.
Like, just lay face down on thefloor instead.
Like that was the way peoplewere discussing it.
It was not that bad.
I've seen way worse.

(01:24:01):
I've seen movies.
Anybody Okay, listen.
My wife likes absolute garbage.
Her taste in movies is so bad,that like I can't even stomach
the movies half the time.
Cause they're just like It'sbasically reality TV in movie
form, and I can't do it.
She still watches Say Yes to theDress.
We've been married since 2011.
Okay.
So this is the kind of contentmy wife consumes.

(01:24:21):
So like love and thunder for mewas a blessing.

Cozy Snap (01:24:24):
You know what I call those movies where it's like,
they're not complete trash, butit's not a good movie or
airplane movies.
You're on an airplane.
Great example, right?
You got nothing to do.
That's exactly where I watched.
Love and Thunder.
It was on an airplane.
Dude,

do you know what I watched on the flight to
San Diego?
Cause it was a longer one forme.
Which

Cozy Snap (01:24:41):
one?

Madam Web.
Oh,

Cozy Snap (01:24:43):
that's a, and that's an air, I mean that's a, that's
a long flight movie.
That's a, there's no otheroption.
Dude, I

was watching it, I was like, they can't be
serious.
I don't most rather.
What is this, a high school

Cozy Snap (01:24:54):
production?
Play those games you can playwith other people on the
airplane that are also playingthem and it's like they're like
Word search games and crosswordgames and I'd almost rather that
than Madame Web, but I would putmost of the newer phase in an
airplane category.

You know, what sucked about Madam Web, my
viewing experience is the guy infront of me had like, reclined
his seat as far as he could, andthe screen didn't tilt, so it
just like, was kind of facingdown a bit the whole time, like
it was angled improperly, so Ihad to kind of like slouch to
watch it like flat, so that madethe, even, even then the movie
just sucked.
That was so bad, I can't, thatis by far the worst movie, and

(01:25:30):
is that even MCU?
I don't know who the hell madethat, that's a Sony one, isn't
it?
You go from Spider Man to that,like what are we doing?
Dude, and then the CEO, I sawsome article about it that he
said that we were wrong.
That like, everyone's like, Oh,this movie is not bad.
You guys just have bad taste.
I'm like, bro, get out of herewith that crap.
Like your movie is dog shit.
Don't tell me that I can'trecognize that your movie sucks.
Oh my God.
There goes that sponsorship.

(01:25:51):
So anyways, daredevils next onmy list, by the way,

Cozy Snap (01:25:53):
Sydney Sweeney.
As part of that movie daredevil.
Yes.
You need to actually watch itthough.
You'll love it.
Just watch the first episode bythe next Snapchat.
Just.
It's okay.
30 minutes, 40 minutes.
That's my homework.
That's your homework.
That's my homework.

All right, guys, thank you so much for
joining us.
And you know what?
If you want some homework towatch the first episode of
daredevil, and we'll see you onthat next Marvel Snapchat
episode.

Cozy Snap (01:26:12):
Guys, have a great week.
Hopefully you guys enjoyedlistening today.
And as always, until the nextone, happy snapping.

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