The Ancient One: The Timeless Terror Arrives | Too Many Cards in Snap? | Merlin In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 136 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Cozy (00:00):
What's going on guys?

(00:00):
And welcome back to yet anotherepisode of the Snapchat.
We are here, we are in June.
We're in a new season, Alex, andit's been a good one.
We've got, Snap tournamentsgoing on, brand new Merlin out
in the wild.
How you doing, man?
How's your week,

Alex (00:14):
buddy?
I'm doing great.
I'm having a ton of fun outthere.
And if I could, uh, you know, Iknow that this is a Marvel Snap
podcast and you know, we almostnever talk about anything other
than Marvel Snap.
Almost never, sir.
Certainly not hookah, I gottatell you.
Oh, definitely not the hookah.
The switch two came out.
Yeah.
I'm glad you brought this up andI'm not chance to try it at all.
I'm glad you brought this up.
You got one.
So I was like, okay buddy.

(00:36):
Listen, I was trying to like,not feed into the hype.
I was like, I ain't getting aswitch to it.
Way too expensive.
I was like talking myself out ofit.
And then of course midnight onlike the pre-release and stuff.
I'm like, I'm getting apre-order.
And I tried as hard as I couldnot get a pre-order.
I was so sad.
And then.
Unreleased day.
I was like kind of huffing andpuffing.
I was looking at Amazon, it saidB buy invite only to get the
thing.

(00:56):
I'm like, what does that evenmean?
I was so sad.
And then I got home and my wifecalled me.
She's like, yo, we need somemilk.
Do you wanna just run by Costcoquick?
I'm like, but I always go toCostco, like I'm there six times
a week.
So I go to Costco, I walk in,there's like 60 switch Tuesday
there.
Yeah.
60 of'em.
I'm like, yeah, I guess we'redoing this.

Cozy (01:13):
They beat the scalpers this year, man.
I went and got, mine did notpre-order,'cause I forgot.
I think we were doing a Snapchatactually when the pre-orders
went live, but uh, we werefilming.
'cause my brother's like, didyou get one?
I'm like, I was in the middle offilming anyway.
I went to Target, dude, 10:00 AMI was like, well after the storm
and they had like 10 of'em left.
And I was like, I'll definitelytake one of'em.
And I'm, I feel a little bitunder the weather now.

(01:35):
That's when it was starting tohit me.
And I was like, oh man, this isperfect.
'cause I can grab my switch.
I had to go get my old switch'cause I haven't turned that on
just a little bit.
It's been a little bit of time,but man, fire that up.
Okay.
Hit me man.
Initial impressions.
What'd you think?

Alex (01:48):
So right off the rip, I will tell you that the actual
physical switch itself looksincredibly better than the other
one.
They have seriously improvedevery facet of that machine,
like holding it the size.
I think the screen looksbeautiful.
These, even the speakers, like,even like the sound is so much
better on the actual handhelddevice.
I think they really did a goodjob.

(02:09):
You're paying for that.
It was insanely expensive.
Like my Costco bundle that camewith like 12 months of Nintendo
plus expansion pack, whatever.
And Mario Kart came to$834Canadian.
And I, I hope my wife did nothear me say that because I would
be in trouble.

Cozy (02:25):
I feel like this, I saw a quote and I feel like it lined
up pretty well.
It's evolutionary, notrevolutionary.
And I think that's like a goodquote of what it is like.
I, there's some flaws with it.
I think the launch titles wasdefinitely an l, like I think
they definitely should have putout a couple more titles.
But I will say this, I'm goingfrom, by the way, I didn't get
the OLAD one in between, didn't,so I'm going from like the, the

(02:46):
raw switch.
I didn't, yeah.
To this massive IMP improvement.
And it was cool that all myswitch, uh, the old games were
like right there, just like loadthose up.
And I tell you what, man, uh,just, there's nothing like Mario
Kart oh my gosh, it just hits meso hard.
I appreciate Mario kart, me andmy wife.
Played like a couple hours.
It was just so fun to chill.
Uh, wasn't it great dude.
Who'd you play?
Who's your guy?

(03:07):
Shy guy.
I play shy guy.
You not do Same here.
I'm okay.
Did you know No way.
You're a shy guy, man.
Yeah, I a shy guy, man.
Dude, I got, uh, what was hisfirst costume?
Uh, I'll tell you, because ofhis, it was, uh, I got the
earmuffs.
Yeah, earmuff.
The right, the pit crew one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Shai guy was my first one,but then, I mean, I kind of mess
with the.
I kind of miss it with like the,the penguin and the snowman.
I like the cow.
I the cow.
Yeah.
I heard the cows are taken overby, what do you feel like if you

(03:29):
guys don't know, the thing thatthey changed was you drive to
your track and you only do eachlap once, so it's like very
different.
I like it.
I think it's kind of cool anddifferent.

Alex (03:38):
It, it is really cool, man.
And, uh, I was playing online,like my wife and I, we were
playing online with you did allthe mode.

Cozy (03:44):
Oh wow.

Alex (03:44):
Yeah, I was playing online mode.
Guys are hardcore.
My wife just got knocked outbasically right away, which is
kind of funny.
But, um, and oh dude, it's sointense online knockout mode is
so much fun.
It's like.
Chaotic and crazy, and I thinkthe knockout like thing is
perfect for Mario Kart.
It's, it's just so awesome.

Cozy (03:59):
I love that you threw your wife right into, I cut you off
before you could f I'm like, ma,I have to like ease my wife into
game.
So like, I did like 50 cc, like,you know, like, you're doing it,
you know, she's got the autodrive on.
I'm like, oh no.
You know.
Great job honey.
And then now in like a week,that's when I get her into the
knockout mode.
You know, I gotta fuel, gottafuel the vessel.
That is the competitive drive.

(04:19):
But yeah, man, she's like,animal crossing is as like
hardcore as it gets for her.
And so like Mario Kart is likeright there too.
But man, look at us getting ourwives into gamers.

Alex (04:29):
Yeah, so the only game my wife ever played for the entire
time that I've ever known her isshe really liked this game on
like Facebook called Alice GreenFingers, and she just liked
that.
And there was another game thatwas called, um, Dr.
Mario, which was like, kind oflike a pill game.
Am I glitching?

Cozy (04:46):
You're listening out.
You look like you're part of theMatrix right now.

Alex (04:49):
But the idea that I can hook up that switch and tell my
wife, be like, Hey, like do youwanna play Mario Kar?
And she'll play with me andactually like.
Not finish dead last and have agood time and have fun.
It really goes to show you howincredibly well designed Mario
Kart is as just a core concept.
It's ingenious and it feelspretty ageless.

Cozy (05:08):
Yeah.
They got, they got their marketdown for sure.
I, I think that, uh, you know, Iwas more of a Nintendo kid than
a PlayStation kid, so for methis was always home.
Uh, you know, I actually didplay melee, you know, unlike
some people here on this, onthis call.
You know, it's okay.
Uh, looking back, I was gonnaplay Breath of the Wild'cause
they did these upgrade things.
You could go, I was gonna replayboth the cell.

(05:29):
I kind of did'em too recently,so I was like, I don't know.
So I'm currently going throughnot, uh, I was gonna do Odyssey
Mother Mario, because I haven'tmessed with that in a while.
But dude, I'm going all the wayback.
I'm, I'm doing 64 then toSunshine, then to yeah, galaxy.
Plenty of games on the checklistthat, uh, I want to go down.
And, uh, and play.
But I thought the system wasgood.
I feel like there's complaintsabout like the home screen not

(05:50):
changing and stuff.
I'm like, I don't know if Iwould want those changes.
I'm a little, I would say I.
Slightly underwhelmed with somestuff, but everything else seems
clean.
And when like Metro hits andsome of the other games, I'm
amped.
I just like, Nintendo makes mefeel young again.
And that's, that's like one ofmy favorite things about it.
Uh, but yeah it's definitelygood time to be a gamer.
Switch two out.

(06:11):
We got some stuff going on inMarvel.
Snap, Alex, over here we'retalking about the brand new
card, the ancient one.
And we had two more cars.
We talked about a billion carslast week.
We got two more.
Coming, uh, out of nowhere cameout of nowhere.
We're gonna break those down.
And, uh, lastly, we had an OTAthat, uh, shook one individual
card up a lot and others, not somuch.

(06:33):
Alex, what are we talking abouton your side of the Snapchat?

Alex (06:35):
Cozy.
We're gonna be talking abouteach and every card that
released last week in review,giving a general first
impressions of them, and ofcourse the, the statistics that
we have for them thus far.
We'll also be talking aboutwhether or not we're getting too
many cards in Marvel Snap.
This has been a concern that'scoming up, especially with the
absolute massive drop thathappened last week.
Is it too many cards for theaverage player to keep up?
And then as always, our Snapchatmailbag.

Cozy (06:57):
Oh buddy, we've got our brand new card, the ancient one
here, which both of us were kindof up and down about when we
were talking about heroriginally at the three five on
reveal add towel mandala to yourhand.
Now what does she do?
She's a wait for it three zeroon reveal copy of the text of
one of your ongoing carts hereonto your other.
Characters here.
So a skill card, not a zero, buta skill card so you can copy it

(07:20):
up to what?
Two other one Ongoing effect totwo others having three, uh,
total in one lane.
And Alex, have you changed?
Has a weak made you a changed?
Ma'am?
What do you think about theancient one?

Alex (07:33):
You know what?
Cozy, I think I might change alittle bit.
So you and I, we had aninteresting run with D two one.
You're right to say that westarted both at four and we both
collectively dropped to three.
While I think the three is afair assessment, I'm actually
leaning more towards like thetwo and a half range.
Like I feel like I've droppedeven more.
And the reason for that isbecause I think it's just too

(07:55):
expensive and too slow,especially with a playing a week
of amimoto.
Like I, I played a lot ofAmimoto this week and I think
that he felt rough in a way thatI did not expect.
I feel like ancient one istouching on the same issue that
Emoto has, where these spillsare high impact.
They're just too expensive,especially when you consider
what Merlin's doing for onecost.

(08:17):
Ancient one has a very highpotential of impact, but you
also have to have things on theboard.
There's circumstances that it'sgonna pop off, but it needs a
lot of macro setup at a veryexpensive cost.
And I almost wanna drop to two.
Like honestly, I actually, Idon't think you, you were on the
four, you

Cozy (08:34):
were hard on the four train last week.
I remember.
I know.

Alex (08:38):
And I'm dropping all the way down

Cozy (08:39):
the conversation that I.
Ended on that I think reallyhelps me evaluate cards better
is if something, if it were tobe a four or five star card, if
it's too good, then it's toogood to be true.
And that's how we ended the lastconversation.
I said, if you look at theupside of this card, I think
it's too good for Glenn to allowthis card to be good and on top

(09:01):
of that, right?
If that wasn't a debt giveaway.
Her also being a three five,right?
So you have a couple indicatorssaying, okay, this is gonna land
and the title of this is fun orcracked.
This is gonna land more as a funcard.
And, and, and it is gonna havethat opportunity to really pop
off.
And that's what was holding meback originally.
You're at a two.
I think that's definitely a fairstatement.
I remember, you know, I wentinto it probably the worst week

(09:23):
to go into a a, a Snapchat waszero notes, although it made it
a lot of fun going in there,just like looking at cards as
they're fresh coming in my face.
But I would probably, yeah, Ithink two is a little low.
I think, uh, I think a 3.5 isstill a 3.5, and then you have
the opportunity to, to kind ofgo a little bit crazier than
that.
Uh, but I'm not going muchhigher.

(09:44):
I'll go like a two and a half.
Yeah.
So like a raw two is, is rightthere.
I think that's, you know, Idon't think you're gonna miss
here, but.
I think ultimately this is gonnabe one of those fun cards that
don't end up completely landing,uh, where we want it to.
Especially because what we justsaid, I think a lot of people
read this and they might thinkthey get a full lane of
ongoings, but you gotta set itup, right?

(10:05):
You gotta spend a lot of energyto make sure that happens.
I.
And then what else are you gonnado?
I like the idea of patriot oldSean, finish.
I think there's some cool thingsyou could do, but there's also
just moonstone, patriot.
There's other ways you couldaccomplish, you know, kind of a
similar result and not have togo all in on, on something fun.
So I think we agree, and I thinkwe're, uh, you know, I would, I
would agree that it's on the,the lower ends, uh, I'm at two

(10:26):
and a half.

Alex (10:27):
So it's funny that like you bring up a lot of really
good points.
First of all, the floor beingrelatively high'cause it is a
three five is notable.
And, um, when you compare it tolike nightmares effect, like
nightmares, a three negative onebecause of how powerful that
individual effect is.
And I thought about like, okay,like what, what does nature one
deck look like?
Could you consider somethinglike a Khoi Devil dinosaur deck

(10:49):
where you have devil dinosaurand then you can play on turn
six.
Think about it like you playancient one, turn three,
whatever.
Turn four devil, dinosaur turnfive.
Then on turn six, you mystiquethe double dinosaur and then you
tell mandala the double dinosauras well, right?
So mystique in one lane and thenyou change everything in the
double dinosaur into doubledinosaur, right?

(11:11):
Everything in the doubledinosaur lane into double
dinosaur.
So those just rocket.
It doesn't fix the problem oflike, people just shun sheet
double dinosaur anyways.
Like it's, it's often just asitting pinata for those types
of things that still just losesto that and it is a lot of
power, but like usually doubledinosaur wins that individual
location.
So like I start to think aboutlike, okay, what else are we
doing?

(11:31):
And there are a number ofdifferent things I wanna just
kind of burn through all thepotential synergies.
But the more I started to thinkabout, I was like, I don't know
if the payoff is really worth itor if some of the combo
potential is just a little toocute.
To be truly effectiveconsistently.

Cozy (11:45):
Yeah, I think that's the main thing.
I think it's, uh, it's moreflashy than it is anything else.
I think it's cool that Wong doesthis thing and then she's doing
something kind of fun too.
Like they both had that play onfun text a bit, both coming from
Kamar to you know, you got thatabout it.
It is kind of sad.
I've been waiting for her tocome into the game for a while
and like I wish she was gonna beprobably a stronger card
overall.
And again, I think there's gonnabe some fun cooks.

(12:07):
But yeah, when I think about,you know, they showed what Blue
Marvel.
And then we've got Patriot,you've got Victoria hand, you
got some cars that can go boardwide, but most of'em are like
huge vertical lane stackers.
And unless you know, you cantake a sh sheet of the face or
you get the living tribunalthing working.
But the way that her energy playis, is gonna come into play is
what has me, where it's just theclunkiness around her and, and

(12:30):
setting it up all on one lane.
Having that kind of, you knowwhat it is, it's not exactly
like this, but kind of likeProdigy, where we were like,
great, you've got that one lanecooking, but like.
What else are you gonna dooutside of that?
And so that's kind of my, myworries.
I will say, though, I will saythis, the one thing I I do see
for her is like, at any point weget an ongoing card that does
help out to get the multiplecopies and, and do something

(12:54):
board wide.
You know, she's gonna be able tohave that at least under her
belt.

Alex (12:58):
So the way I'm gonna be going, like on Tuesday when,
when I'm deck designing, theprimary deck that I'm going with
is actually double dinosaur.
The reason for this is'causedouble dinosaur can go hand in
hand with Victoria hand.
That was a funny sentence, but Ithink Victoria Hand is one of
those cards that would trulybenefit from Tamala because I.
Replicating that reallyamplifies your power.
It truly does.
And I'll, I might lean into likethe, the centuries, not the

(13:20):
centuries, the sentinels, sorry.
In order to have like manythings being played, keeping the
hand propped up.
Also in that deck you can runsomething like a quinjet, which
will reduce the cost of TalMandala.
And now if it's a two cost, it'sa different ball game, right?
And now I think that you can dosome fun stuff with it, perhaps
even though the turn sixcombination of mystique and Taal
Manal still works regardless.
But.
I do still see potential in thatdeck, but unfortunately those

(13:43):
decks have not necessarily beenhigh performers, but Victoria
Hand has felt like it's beenclose to being legit, like very
close.
Like you could definitely get toinfinite playing Victoria hand.
Now, could this car be the onethat pushes it to the next
level?
That's what I've been kind ofwrestling with myself.
And you start at four, you endup at three, then you go down to
two.
I, I'm just concerned about thereliability of this card and it

(14:04):
is very slow and very expensive.
I said it last week, but there'sa reason why people don't play
wrong with steep combos nonstopfor a reason.
Like replicating these effectscan often be very impactful, but
they're often, like all yourchick, your eggs are all in one
basket, right?
And enchanter is incrediblycommon right now, especially in
the the medex.

(14:24):
So I do have a lot of concerns,but the Victoria hand di double
dinosaur shells I think couldpotentially be a very good spot
for, uh, the ancient one.

Cozy (14:32):
Yeah.
Listen, when we look at cars, Ithink it's important to, to look
at as well that, we've got ourcompetitive cars and then we
have cards that can becompetitive, and then we have
fun cards and I think.
This lands somewhere in the, canbe competitive and it's fun, but
there's gonna be decks that juststomp this car to the ground and
it's not gonna be able to winagainst, right?
But there's also gonna be handsthat you have that are gonna
help you, you know, uh, have agreat shot to win.

(14:55):
And so I think if you're in thatcamp of like, you wanna have fun
and win, I think this is a carthat you could consider, but it,
you know.
Anyone that's like hypercompetitive, there's other stuff
they're gonna be playing.
In fact, one of'em we're gonnatalk about here in a second, but
like, you know, go the Thanosroute.
Do what you wanna do.
That, the way I like looking atcars now is like, where does it
land in that category?
How do you like to play thegame?
And ultimately, ancient one is,is not this meta define.

(15:18):
We can, we could have wrappedthat up, right when we said two,
two and a half.
But she is gonna land on theother side and hey, we've
brought up fun cards before.
A K Infinity Tron, and then lookwhat happened to him.
They made him now, uh, muchbetter with an OTA.
So that could always happen andcould be in store for her.
A lot of ongoing synergy, so,yep.
Quinjet was brought up.
You know, I think, uh, I always,I'm always like, oh man, should

(15:41):
VOA be able to, to reduce skillcars?
But then it would just work witheverything and then she's just
too overpowered at that point.
Or at least she would just belike the car to have.
With skill cards, NicholasScratch.
Yeah, he could go up aPowerPoint, but there, you know,
there's a lot that could workwith her.
But I think ultimately this, ifyou like the Wong stuff, you
like the fun stuff you know,this could be a card you want to

(16:02):
consider.
And if you pull her, let's saytwo weeks from now, at least you
have a fun, yeah, you'll have afun time.

Alex (16:09):
And obviously like she has her own niche to fill, but I do
think that like Moonstone is abit of a compare, uh,
comparable.
I think Moonstone is very easyto play in a lot of ongoing
shells where I feel like the Hone might have this awkwardness
that Moonstone does not have.
That's another concern I have.
Obviously, the cobble potential,it's a different card.
They occupy a very similarspace.
But with that being said, I.

(16:30):
You're not playing manymoonstone.
Uh, sorry.
You're not playing many ongoingdecks without moonstone.
There are some, but generallyspeaking, moonstone is a good
contributor on those lists.

Cozy (16:39):
Well, that's the whole thing.
It's just that she's three and athree like it, that's just
miserable like that.
That's so much having to be setup and, and like you get the
five and that's great, but justhaving to.
It just, uh, it's a lot of setuptoo, and a lot of things going
right and things.
Now I will say though, thereare, there is some location
synergy with her and, you know,we talk about it all the time.
You get those nins out there, sothen like you have a way to be

(17:00):
able to like, turn that negativeinto a positive, or, or if
you're going against clog, youknow, you could just like set it
up in a lane and, and end upreally flipping, flipping a lane
on its heels.
So there are things that youwill be able to do that are kind
of fun and three, five we neverwant to undermine.
But yeah.
Anything else on, uh, on theancient one here?

Alex (17:17):
I guess the only other thing which I'm surprised you
didn't bring up because youbrought it up last week was
Patriot.
I guess Patriot could, could bea potential place for it because
Patriot is a, is a deck thatplays a lot of cards, but not
often many ongoings.
And so if Patriot's, the onlything there, it's very easy to
tell Mandala and then change allthe squirrels and everything
that, that's with you there intoa, uh, an absolute power push

(17:38):
for these, uh, these patriotstyle decks.
So

Cozy (17:40):
what about omega red?
The, the new and approved, yougot the four six and then you
just like.
Spa.
You throw out a bunch of'em andthen you got three power going
to a bunch of lanes.
Maybe that's why they buffedhim.
I still think Omega, we, we'lltalk, we could just talk about,
I don't, I still think he's aslept on card.
I, I think that there are waysto make him better than he is

(18:00):
outside of it, giving away whatyou're doing.
Maybe just, maybe you somehowget omega red working because
you could go into four, then youplay another card and you do it
all on six as a Wabo, Cabo.
But uh, yeah, you know that Ialways like to look at the OTAs
that they introduce before thecards come out and be like,
alright, are they trying to helpus cook?

Alex (18:21):
It's true'cause like you can evaluate a specific card
based on the merit of thecurrent meta, but if the meta
shifts or if cards change, thenthe way that card apply to the
meta is totally different.
And a good example of that waswas Sauron and Star Brandand.
Star Brandand came out was fine,but then Sauron gets changed to
a two cost and now to a onecost, obviously.

(18:41):
But when it was changed to a twocost.
Star brand suddenly was thehottest commodity on the market
and felt insanely better.
And not because that star brandgot buffed, but because the
supporting cast did.
So I think that's a perfectassessment, Cozy.

Cozy (18:55):
One thing I wanna point out, I don't think this was
obvious enough, but the, they'renot turning into said card, by
the way.
There's not a bunch of omegareds gonna come out.
It's just they're taking thetext of it.
So if somehow you get yourselfa, you know, monster island,
that 10 power will then haveomega red's ability.
And so that is something to, totake into consideration.
I think a lot of people might,cons are, are kind of going with
the, oh, it's all gonna be onething.

(19:17):
So there are some cars that willend up working better than
others.
I also like the idea of justsome low heat, you know, some
the, just the ant man, just thevalue place.

Alex (19:25):
Uh, you could do some mega cope and play like red Skull and
then Tom Mandala, the red skull,pump the entire lane.
And then Sean Chi at Boom fivehead.

Cozy (19:33):
That's a that's a 10 head.
And then just forget the otherlanes.
Just hope they,

Alex (19:38):
oh, don't worry.
You don't need to do that.
You, you wouldn't by like, byimpressing your opponent with
what you've done, you winwithout winning.

Cozy (19:44):
Like you leave as a winner at the end of the day kind of
thing.

Alex (19:47):
Yes, that's exactly how it is.

Cozy (19:49):
But Alex, we got two cards outta nowhere.
We weren't expecting them.
And then bam, they dropped,which is a five eight, and he
has an honor availability.
Next turn, you can move cards tothis.
Location and then we also haveMercury.
We're gonna, we're gonna.
Break them down one by one.
But Mercury, just so you'reaware, aware, is a two.
Two, you can move this onceongoing in cards here.

(20:13):
Can't move.

Alex (20:14):
So for the record, I know that technically Cozy and I are
previewing a card we could haveplayed.
Uh, but also I tried to get it.
Nonstop for days and it did notwork.
My Marvel Snap was so bugged Icould not get it.
And literally only the last twodays I've been able to actually
play with this card.
'cause I, I got it and then Icouldn't put it into decks'cause
it kept airing out.
So I, I literally have notplayed much of it.
I think this card is okay.

(20:35):
I think it's fine.
I think it is an added tool tomove based shells.
I think like literallytraditional style moves stuff is
cool.
I like the idea that only youcan move.
Cards to that particularlocation.
That could be that, that couldbe particularly advantageous.
I think Hydro Stomper loves it.
I think that, uh, Heimdall lovesit.
'cause you can reposition for aheimdall play.

(20:55):
I, I think it's a neat card.
I, I really do.
I do like it a lot.
What's the star I.
I'm gonna go with like a, like asolid three stars because the
reason why I say three starsspecifically is I think it's
gonna have a very tight niche.
But it is a fair card.
I don't think it's a weak card.
It's a fair card, but it's thekind of card that I don't think
you're gonna have to chase, ifthat makes sense.

(21:16):
Yeah.
I don't think you need to chaseowning this card.
I also think this is a very nicelike draft design for what it's
worth, this is a very, like,even if you're not playing move
and you pull this as a fiveeight, it's just a good draft
card type thing.
I like the card.
I think it's totally fine.
I don't think it's meta shakingor meta warping.
It hasn't at least exhibitedthat in the.
Like day and a half that peoplehave had it, like everyone has

(21:39):
had it for basically a day and ahalf.
But I'm pretty confident thatit's, it's a decent card and
it's app applicable niche.

Cozy (21:44):
Yeah.
I feel like he's probably morethan the two and a half inch at
the moment, but he can getbetter over time.
I think that there's plenty ofmove stuff coming, uh, in the
future that will work with itand it's just one of those
things that will settle, settleas it kind of evolves.
But the thing is on turn five alot of the time and move, I like
to do a lot of.
Uh, combo plays at the cheaperstuff and then you kind of get
things cooking with that.
So you're committing a fullfive, uh, yes to get the move,

(22:07):
which is nice.
You can do some setups and havesome nice combos, but is it
gonna be worth it in itsentirety?
Does it earn its spot because ofthat?
But as far as like, if you're amove enjoyer and you like to
play that archetype, I think isa must.
A must add for sure.
Definitely gonna be solid.
But uh, as far as like supercompetitive, uh, that's gonna
belong to Mercury a lot more.
So yeah, I would say two and ahalf is where I fare, but I do

(22:30):
like all the synergies rightaway.
And it's funny, man, we went twoyears without like barely any
new move stuff.
Like there was just no movestuff for the longest time.
And then in the last like couplemonths, dude, we've had like six
new move cards.
It's crazy how much more movehas come into the game.
The last.
Couple months rather than thefirst two years.

Alex (22:52):
No, you're right.
There's been a ton of, ton moremove cards added.
And it's funny'cause a lot ofthem don't see much play.
'cause I think that generallyspeaking, players don't like
playing move.
It's kind of sad, but like theyjust don't really wanna play
move.
But of the move cards that havecome, um, like I, I think Fan
Faye looks awful compared tothis.
I think this is a way betterversion of like, they do
different things, but I thinkthis is much more like just
generally a better card thansomething a fan.

(23:14):
Faye still niche, but morebroadly, uh, applicable.
But I, what I want will say iswhen I was kind of playing with
this card a little bit, I wastrying to set up like Galactus
where you could basically moveeverything out and then G-Man a
particular location.
'cause you, you get to clear theother locations, right.
And play on turn six.
Uh, no one fell for it,unfortunately.
But wait to which set up thedream was there?

Cozy (23:34):
Nah, dude that's a cook that I like, man.
Oh man.
And they released the official,uh, we'll probably do this next
episode, but they did the, uh,the Fantastic four.
Like we officially know whatsome of them are coming out as.
My gosh, did you see the newGalactus?
Wait, no, I didn't see this.
Oh, okay.
We're gonna wait'cause it's toogood.
Next.
That's gonna bes own.
Yeah.
This is the topic of next week.
But let's go from him toMercury.

(23:58):
And I gotta say man, mercurythough is a two, two, like I
said, you can move this once.
Ongoing.
Enemy cards here can't moveright away.
Alex, this is a, uh, this is ainsane card.
Not only is this great'causeit's a tech card.
But you're able to move it okayto choose a fairy stat line, but

(24:18):
easily, the best thing about itis that a combos with a card
that we all like in Cannonball,and so you have efficiently,
essentially the Pro X Cannonballcombo again.
But at a on curve rate,

Alex (24:32):
I think this is a very good card.
I think that as a two, two thatcan move just once.
I think that's, that's valuablein and of itself.
Think about how many timesrocking and groove just being
able to move was beneficial.
Think about how many times whenSam Wilson Shield had power just
moving to a location no onecould access was beneficial.
It's very nice the tech side ofenemy carts can't move here.
Is fascinating, especially asthey continue to add, move cards

(24:55):
to the game.
Obviously things like hydrostomper and silk are very
popular right now doing a verygood job on the meta.
But you, you touched right onit.
Cannonballs, the big synergy andthere are, because we just got
this card again, I've been ableto play this card for less than
24 hours.
There are a couple cannonballmercury decks that are starting
to gain traction.

(25:15):
Only because the cannibalmercury interaction, like what I
mean to say is I have a concernif they ever Nerf cannibal to
not interact with Mercury orMercury to not interact with
cannibal, the two might be sodisconnected from one another
that mercury will feel awfulthere.
Because the two two can move.
Once isn't enough to carry it.
The enemy cards can't move,isn't enough to carry it.

(25:37):
It's specifically the cannibalmercury synergy that carries it.
And if you ever disconnect thosetwo, I think this card is
garbage.
And that's what I get worriedabout.

Cozy (25:45):
The thing I like right away is I just think it's a cool
spectrum card.
You have an ongoing abilitythat's like strong and it can
move like boom.
Done.
And you have tech with that, solike that's gonna help you win
more games.
Can't complain about that.
Definitely gonna be strong.
But then also I feel like it'sjust a very powerful combo card.
Yeah.
With what we just said withMercury, I don't.
I don't think they would removethat.
That's, that seems crazy to methat that, that's something that

(26:06):
could happen.
I think that's tough to saythough, bro.
You know how many cars we wouldsay, like if you took away that
one key synergy, it's a badcard.
So like, I don't know, they didthat with Pro X, but who are we
to say that they would, do youknow what I mean?
Like, that's such like, oh, if,if they, if they took scarf from
Serer, then it would be, it'sjust, I don't know if I could
base cars, I gotta base itwhat's in the game right now.
And right now I think that's,it's, that's strong.

Alex (26:28):
For what it's worth.
You're right.
Like I actually agree with you.
What you just said is absolutelycorrect.
You gotta evaluate it based asit is now, and also in defense
of the point that you're making.
They did learn the lesson fromhaving Cannonball and Pro X
together.
So Glen and the team aredesigning this card, knowing the
lessons that they learned prior,they wouldn't have released this
like this.
If they're like, oh damn, weforgot that Professor X ruined

(26:49):
the meta with cannibal.
No, they obviously knew that anddesigned this card with that in
mind, so it would surprise me ifthey broke that link between the
two.
I just thought it was worthmentioning because I think that
a lot of the deck design earlyon that we're seeing with
Mercury is solely based, almostentirely on Cannonball.
You know what I mean?
And that's why I bring it up

Cozy (27:08):
a hundred percent.
That's where it is early and Ithink it, it's kind of like when
we got triple limit to the game,it allowed them to do more with
cost reduction.
This is finally a car that likereal, like scream obviously, but
like this is one that really cancounter move X right to the
hardest degree that we've hadthus far.
And so this also, if you're amove player, this is a good
thing for you.
Because anytime you have moretech in the game means they can

(27:29):
kind of beef it up in otherways.
And so maybe that's why we areseeing this huge.
Surgeons, you know, they planthis design stuff well in
advance and they never know howit's gonna go fully.
And so maybe they made this cardbecause of all this stuff and
this was gonna be a good releasevalve to it.
Uh, either way though, I thinkMercury is, is much better.
And you could definitelycelebrate if you get this card.
And if they do change thecannonball thing, use it while

(27:51):
you can.

Alex (27:52):
What I find interesting though is that like if you think
about the type of release valve,uh, Luke Cage is, for instance,
right?
Or Shanxi is, or Enchanter is, Ithink that Mercury and the tech
that it provides isn't goodenough on its own.
Think about Mobius and Mobiusand those types of like
traditional tech cards.

(28:12):
I don't think that you playMercury in like a cer control
deck because you want to, oh, Ineed tech against move, for
instance.
Right?
No.
Because like that's what screamcould be for instance.
But it's the idea that you havethis offensive capability with
Cannonball, the fact that it canmove, the fact that it's an
ongoing, as you mentioned, andit just so happens to be an

(28:34):
appropriate tech piece againstwhat is now an emerging
archetype with, you know, thesenew hydra silky move style
decks.
So the tech side of it seemsvery incidental and everything
else around it is pretty decent.
And it actually, it's funny aswell.
It's a two two, but look at thelines of text.
You can move and it has tech, soit's like, it's really like

(28:55):
multiple cards squeezed intoone, isn't it?
Doesn't it feel like kind oflike a, like a Swiss army knife
of cards?

Cozy (29:00):
Well, for sure.
And that people love playingcards like that because even if
you're not trying to countermove, she can like, think about
it, you're playing a game andNew York's on the board and
you're like, oh man, okay.
Like I'll just make sure.
You know that none of these carsat this location are gonna be
able to do that or whatever.
Like just having thatflexibility is nice.
Uh, and being able to change thegame when you need to.

(29:22):
Also though, I feel like, yeah,I mean, what does move do?
Well, it scales crazy, right?
And Shadow King's just a muchbetter answer to that.
Or a bunch of other cars thatcan just, you know, completely
get rid of all the momentum theyhad.
But this stops'em in the firstplace from having it.
And so I do think it is, uh, itis a two burst for one stone.
I, I'm interested to see whereit overall adjusts, but yeah,

(29:42):
love the cannonball thing.
Love it.
Having multiple facets in onestrong card, 2, 2, 2 3 would be
crazy and obviously like it alittle bit more than, uh, the
card prior.

Alex (29:52):
We have not given it star ratings yet.
I don't believe we've said themout loud, but before we do that,
I just also want to say veryrelevant point to this Marvel
Snap podcast.
Mercury gives me, uh, T 1000vibes.
Oh yeah.
Like, see that arm there.
Don't you?
Don't you feel like this is likefright from Terminator?
Yeah,

Cozy (30:07):
yeah.
Right.
No, for sure.
Definitely.
Def definitely feel that.
And, uh, I love, I love thecommitment to the uniform.
Like even going full mercurymode over here, you gotta wear
the uniform.
You gotta wear it.
Yeah.
I can't not have it on, youknow?
That's ridiculous.
What's your start rating?
I'm going four stars.
Yeah, I feel like that's aboutright.
I think four is good.
I think four is a good but we'llalso see this everywhere with

(30:28):
Cannonball as that continues togo.
So you might see it a bit morepopular than a four star,
especially'cause you can getyour hands on it a bit easier
than I.
Then, uh, this is series four

Alex (30:36):
on that note, as a series four drop.
It's pretty good.
And I wonder if theyaccidentally released it.
I wonder if they weren't donebalancing it yet.
I wonder if Glen was gonna belike, this should be a two one,
or this should be like, theytotally released it by accident,
which let's not, let's behonest, that's kind of
ridiculous.
Like that's kind of silly thatthey released it by accident.
Yeah, no, I don't know how

Cozy (30:55):
we didn't start with that.
This.
Uh, this was not supposed tohappen.
Uh, that's why Alex and I, uh,didn't have it in our episode
last week.
And while it wasn't in the, thewhole past video, why couldn't
they have done this When Elixircame out and Kid Omega was,
what, what could it have he comeout on accident?
Man, I tell you what

Alex (31:12):
I know.
Isn't that true?
Like this weekend, this, uh,weekend, this season has legit
cards that we're excited toplay.
A lot of bangers last.
Season we were falling asleeptalking about some of these
cards and like now you'redropping series four cards.
That easily, I would've ratherhave had that an elixir.

Cozy (31:30):
I know, man.
Well we've got our last subjecthere.
The OTA review.
Ultron is good question mark.
Guys, if you're just now comingin, you missed, we had, uh, a
lot of OTAs in the last coupleweeks.
We went a long way without OTAand now we got, uh, what, two
back to back.
So Ultron, infinity, Ultron.
Once a fun card has made his wayto much more than that.

(31:54):
Now, Alex, we've talked about itall the time.
What was the one thing that theyneeded to do to make him
relevant?
We're about to talk about it.
Before we get to him though,let's just fire off some of the
other beats that they changed.
We got super giant going from afour five to a four seven.
Alex, A four five is so bad forthat card.
Oh my gosh.
Four seven is not much better.

(32:14):
I don't think this is gonnachange the fate of who Super
Giant is.

Alex (32:17):
I don't think so either.
I think that the effect is good.
Now, is it good?
I'm not sure It has some merit,but once again, we talked about
it when Super Drive first cameout, we talked about it being
used defensively.
Oh, you stop Lady Jane fosteringnegative decks and all that
stuff.
That's cool I guess.
But as we've seen, like wetalked about with Mercury, the

(32:38):
best type of tech effects arethe ones that you use
offensively as well asdefensively.
Like Sean Chi is a defensivecard that just flips a lane.
That's why it's so damn good.
That's why it's in almost.
Half of the decks in Marvel Snapand Super Giant's Effect is kind
of just not needed, and untilthere is a legitimate offensive,
true offensive capability, andkeep in mind what really killed

(32:59):
it.
Was that they also changedTaskmaster.
Taskmaster

Cozy (33:02):
task.
Yeah,

Alex (33:03):
right?
Yeah, from five to six, becauseyou need multiple cards.
So the task was still a five.
You could have done something,right?

Cozy (33:07):
You need multiple options because you can't just rely on
drawing her and then like onething to happen.
That's an awful game plan.
So you need multiple things.
Taskmaster going away was a bighindrance of that.
And so, yeah, I guess in thefuture, if more come out, I
think they, she needs a reworkto be completely honest, but for
now she's up to a four seven, soyou know, we'll, we'll see.
We'll see if she gets more playfrom it.
Brought him up earlier.

(33:28):
Omega red though, four five tofour six.
Now, uh, they're pretty carefuland I, and I quote Glenn here.
I think whenever they, they didthis effect with him, they
weren't sure if it was gonna betame enough.
They thought it could end upbeing broken with how good he
was, and then he just didn't getto play.
I a four six though, plus threein all lanes.
It's definitely respectable andI think we do see a bit of a

(33:49):
surgence, but four, six, stillnothing earth shattering for,
for a guy that got, zero to noplay.

Alex (33:55):
It is also worth knowing that that also gets buffed up by
two A spectrum.
Yeah.
There's ways to kind of continuethat reach.
Um, you could play omega red,omega red Ironman and then you
play something like anonslaught.
Obviously very greedy andchances says hello type stuff,
but still possible.
Right.
There's ways to manipulate thatlame power.

Cozy (34:13):
Yeah.
I think Thanos on going isprobably one of his best homes.
Just'cause you have so many waysto sort power.
It's a strong deck on its own,but you even need'em.
Probably not.
Speaking of somebody you don'tneed, man, we've done so many on
your side.
Like, this card sucks.
Or like the most forgettablecar.
How do we never bring upgiganto, bro?
How do we never bring up thisgarbage heap of a card?

(34:34):
Like it's been a year since webrought up this POS on the, on
the cast here.

Alex (34:40):
First of all, how dare you?
What do you mean how dare?
Um, what do you mean that Whatdo you, giganto is sick.
Do you remember that summervariant where he's sitting in
the little tube?
It's one of my favorite.

Cozy (34:49):
He is going from a six 14 guys to a 6 16 2 power.
You can only play him on theleft location.
I in today's Snap, that is justit.
That's so.
It's so hindering that I justdon't see how that this could
ever be a card that's playedwithout, again, an ability,
rework or restriction, rework,or just put this guy up to like

(35:12):
a six 18, you know, maybe gethis power like really good.
But, uh, yeah.

Alex (35:18):
You know what this is?
What is this?
Red Wing buff?

Cozy (35:23):
Yeah.
Okay.
I like it.
A hella buff, A Dracula BuffJubilee Blink.
Like,

Alex (35:29):
yeah, I know every card except Gig Anto.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.

Cozy (35:32):
Yeah.
All the cards that you would beplaying them in Lock jaw, which
never gets play.
Yeah.
Like it's the, it's, it's a buffto the cards around them where
you just want like big powerstack sticks, whatever.
But yeah, only playing on in theleft lane.
Like you're just not gonna,you're just not gonna ever
really like strategically try todo that, uh, if they made it two
lanes.
That's kind of interesting.
And, uh, yeah.
Other than that, giganto is acar that I think many people

(35:53):
forgot about.

Alex (35:54):
You know what's interesting about it?
They waited for this buff.
They waited for a veryparticular moment, Cozy Snap.
They're like, we gotta buffGito.
We're giving him two extrapower.
They're like, Glenn, don't doit.
He's gonna ruin the meta.
He's gonna kill the meta gig's.
Gonna slam that left lane sohard.
People aren't gonna know whathit him and he is gun's like.
Don't worry guys.
Got a plan.
We'll release the update to Gitoafter we make Cerebral Two

(36:16):
relevant so that people can playGoose in the left lane.
Boom, no gig Anto,

Cozy (36:20):
boom, just like Infinity.
The Ultron five eight.
They took him down to a fivesix.
What?
How could they, Alex, theynerfed him.
He was too strong.
No, my friends, all the infinitystones with him that were three
costs, his biggest hindrance anda great call to why we think
ancient one's not gonna be thatgreat either.
Recos is tough to make happen.
Well, they're all going down totwo costs, but they do have some

(36:43):
stipulations with it.
Now, first of all, we're gonnago from like top to bottom,
Alex.
Then we'll talk about all of it.
Then we can talk about him.
Uh, the infinity power stone isgoing from a three, two to a
two.
One.
Keep in mind that was on reveal.
You're gonna double trons power.
So you've got that right off therip.
All right, uh, next up thereality stone.
Which you could add the dronehere and you would set its power
to infinity trons three, onedown to a two one.

(37:05):
So no loss there.
Outside of cost, big dubs, timestone is three.
One down to a two three.
So put a card from your handhere, uh, which is a super fun
effect.
Obviously the red Wing kind ofthing going on.
Huge boost in, that's viabilityinfinity space stone.
That went from a three four to atwo five.
So they gave it a cost down anda power up.

(37:27):
The soul stone for each of yourfull locations get plus two
power is a three, three down toa two, three.
And then finally the mind stone,which is your honorability.
Honor availabilities happentwice a year, so Minnie Wong, 3
2, 2 A, two two.
So a significant buff across theboard to the stones, and you
have Ultron at his base power,I'm pretty sure of what he came

(37:49):
out with at a five six.
This is a big dub for what was afun card, and now on its way to
potentially be pretty damn goodtoo.

Alex (37:57):
This is a huge L for the fact that the only place I
enjoyed playing this was SilverSurfer.
That's the first thing that cameto mind.
I'm like, bro, the only play Iplayed Infinity Altron was
Silver Surfer.
The only reason why I evenenjoyed my time with Infinity
Altron even remotely was'causeSilver Surfer.
And then Glen was like, you knowwhat, no, Alex F you.
You don't get to play SilverSurfer anymore with the new
fancy card.
You can play anything elseexcept Silver Surfer.

(38:19):
And you know what, Glen?
You're right.
'cause it needed to get changed.
This is a huge buff.
It's a massive buff across theboard.
The major problem with this cardwas that you played the card and
then the stones sucked.
And the stones that reallysucked.
Like the basically esan stoneand stuff like that, they gave
tremendous power to, to makethem worth committing energy to.
They're a little awkward still.
'cause like you're like, huh,you almost want to get three of

(38:40):
'em now because they're toocosted.
Yeah, right.
You almost wish you'd get two,three of'em.
Uh, but that would also be kindof crazy'cause now you have more
options and more combopotential.
That's a huge, crazy buff now,like getting a third stone would
be crazy.
But now you still have two extraenergy on turn six to play with.
Wouldn't surprise me if theyended up giving you a third
stone, by the way, I'm justthrowing it out there.
But I do think that this is asignificantly better card early

(39:03):
statue and 54% win rate on it.
Stole only 5% playwright, sopeople aren't really sold on it
yet.
But this is a massive buff.

Cozy (39:11):
I'd just like it because yeah, first of all you get a
quibb jet out the now they'reone.
There are only one cost to playon that last chance, so you can
definitely get something cookingwith it, but also.
It just like even if you get thebad stones.
'cause that's what it came downto.
Remember we would say likethere's these two combinations
that could cook or this couldcook, but then ultimately you're
just getting bad stones toomuch.
But now getting a two fivespace, it's like, cool, you got

(39:33):
a two five.
That is good.
And that could be a one fivewith a quinjet.
So like.
It fixed a lot about'em, it madethe bad stuff good and it made
everything cheaper to pull off,potentially more combo stuff.
Uh, and, and maybe ramp, intothat with the Luna Snow.
And then you can really startgetting things crazy on turn
six.
So, I agree.
I don't think they'll do thethree stone thing but I.
Either way, this is a huge step.

(39:54):
Uh,'cause now from this pointon, I think they would just buff
his power from this point.
Like, I think because of whatthe drone setting is and
doubling his power, all thatstuff, it is very power based.
And so that's a good way tohandle I, this is, this was a
good, a good strong B for thisguy that I think could have just
fell to the wayside intonon-existent Playland.
Uh, and now, you know, he'sdefinitely gonna get tested a

(40:16):
bit.

Alex (40:17):
And I am pretty sure, unless I'm hallucinating this,
I'm pretty sure you called thisbecause you're like, if he's
underpowered, because they putso much effort into its design,
they're gonna buff it.
I feel like you said that atsome point, either on my side or
when we were first evaluatingit, but you were like, this is
too much effort for a singlecard for them to let it
languish.
Yeah.
Though I think you called it budand uh, so in my lit literal,

(40:38):
like I only played a few gameswith Infinity Ultron'cause
there's been so much going on.
He feels way better and thefloor is way higher than it was
before that.
Even like the bad stones arelike I mean there's still two
five that does something.
So yeah, definitely a huge buff.

Cozy (40:52):
Well, that is the OTA guy.
So a little bit of a smaller OTAand outside of old chart, not as
impactful, but get out there,experiment with your omega, uh,
reds and your ancient ones ifyou pull her

Alex (41:02):
Cozy, I have a question for you.
Did you have a chance to diveinto the new final Fantasy Magic
of the Gathering pre-release?
'cause I unfortunately could notget to a magic event this
weekend.

Cozy (41:11):
No, man, my brother did.
So I was talking to him aboutit.
He did the rip and play, whichis always a good time.
But no, it is.
So I didn't grow up playing alot of final Fantasy.
I've played them, I've playedseven, I've played three of
them, but.
Like it.
I, I actually just said on myside it as more of a Nintendo
guy over PlayStation.
So there's the next all inseries I'm going for is the

(41:31):
Spider-Man one in, I believeit's September, maybe no,
September I think is Avatar.
So maybe it's November.
I, either way I'm all in on it.
I already got like fourcollective boost, two boxes.
But, uh, yeah, I'll definitelybe picking up a couple of the
commander sets and, uh, have funwith it.
But, uh, it looks good.

Alex (41:47):
That's cool.
Yeah.
'cause I didn't get a chance,and honestly I've played no
final fantasy at all.
Like, I've not played any, Idon't know the characters.
I only know a couple of themfrom perhaps Super Smash
Brothers.
You know, the ones I actuallyplayed.
You gotta know like cloud, cloud

Cozy (41:58):
is like, uh, Mario.

Alex (42:01):
No, I, I mean I have Ike is one from, no, that's fire.
And.
See, so I'm already screwed up.
I, I don't know why I, I don'tknow why I opened my damn mouth.
I'm like, yo, I double with this'cause it's super smack.
Should just shut my mouth.
But like, yeah, so I didn't geta chance to, I am super looking
forward to the Spider-Man one,but, uh, yeah man, uh, I think
I'm gonna pick up a collector,uh, commander Deck, sorry, or

(42:22):
two.
And I, those collectors boxesare crazy expensive.
Did you say you ordered four of'em?
No, the Spider-Man ones.

Cozy (42:26):
Yes, dude.
'cause it's Spider-Man.
I had to a little dude.
I can't wait, but no, yeah,they're already like, like a
thousand bucks for Final Fantasyright now.
It's crazy.

Alex (42:35):
That's, uh, that's a little rich for my taste, but
you know, who also is a littlerich for my taste?
What?
That was a terrible transition.
But let's talk about Merlin.
He got a rich beard, a rich barich, thick beard.

Cozy (42:46):
Uh, yes.
Is he from Fancy Merlin?
Is he from fine fan?
He's from everything, dude.
No.
What's funny is, uh, fun factyou'll see a lot of games used
King Arthur's, uh, IP becauseit's free so you don't have to
pay anything and it's a strongip.
So it's like one of the fewthings that aren't.
Copyrighted that you can use.
That's why a lot of like mobilegames and stuff.

Alex (43:07):
Wait, is that where Merlin's from?
Because I was like, actually,course mean.
What do you mean?
Is that where, where Merlin'sfrom?
Marvel character.
You don't know Merlin?
No, I know Merlin obviously, buthe was in Lona too.
Like you have Merlin the goat.
Merlin the snake.
Always different of King Arthur.
When I say

Cozy (43:22):
you don't know Merlin, that's like you don't know
Merlin from King Arthur Merlin.
Is that like Monty Python?

Alex (43:29):
That's at the round table.
Alex.
I know who Monty Python is.
King Arthur?

Cozy (43:35):
Have you heard of him?

Alex (43:36):
Ever heard of that guy?
I've heard of him, but I don'tknow.
I don't know anything about him.
It is that like a war hammerseries?

Cozy (43:42):
You're doing it again?
No.
Okay.
I've saw enough.
I've saw a lot of people ask,but they want me to do like a
pop culture quiz with Alex andit will be happening in a future
Snapchat.
You guys just wait.

Alex (43:54):
For the record, I'm trolling you a bit.
Obviously I know that you knowKing Arthur.
Ken Arthur, definitely.
Every universe

Cozy (43:59):
can't, you can't, you can't pull back from, uh, from
Maryland.
Anyway.
How is Maryland buddy?
What are your thoughts about himcoming out?
Where does he land and what didwe, I mean, I, I gave him five.
You gave him four and a half.

Alex (44:11):
Four and a half I went with.
So for what it's worth, I reallylike this card.
I really like playing it.
Don't forget, I know we getreally caught up in like the win
rates of decks and the win ratesof cards and cube rates and how
you can rank up and all thatsweat garbage that we talk about
all the time.
We get caught up with that.
Merlin is so fun.
It's a legitimately fun card toplay.

(44:33):
And the other thing about it toois that when I'm playing at
someone who's playing Merlin, itfeels like a fair fun.
Like they're having their fun,but they're not ruining mine
necessarily.
They're doing their thing.
I appreciate that.
I think this is a very welldesigned card.
In fact, I'm gonna say, I lovethis card.
I love this card.
Even if it's early on, at leastnot hitting the power thresholds

(44:55):
that might have been expected bysome people.
Including Coach Snap.

Cozy (44:58):
I think he's a five star, but I still think

Alex (45:01):
he's a

Cozy (45:01):
five star.
You still think he's a fivestar?
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
I do.
I think he's great.
I, I think, uh, one week oftesting has not landed.
Exactly.
There's plenty of te uh, decksthat, uh, he's definitely not
one that can be sold overnight,number one.
Uh, but I think as far as whathe'll offer Snap, I think he's
still at five star cards.
And I stand by it.

Alex (45:18):
I'm gonna tell you that you're correct.
I just wanted to put some fireunder your cheeks, man.
That's all.
What did you, what?
So you went from, you went up.
You're four and a half, you'refive now.
No, no, no.
I just, I'm thinking at four anda half.
Oh, I, I just like, I just lovethe card.
Yeah, he's good.
I don't think it's, I don'tthink it's five power perhaps
yet, but I think that the cardis a hell of a lot of fun to
play.

Cozy (45:37):
Yeah.
I was playing them in the, well,a Nicholas scratch coming out
with the OG Moto and like, andhim.
How can you not like, try to getthe new one cast new and
improved and, and spicy that is,and what I think.
I think I, I said it like thevery beginning of our last
Snapchat that I thought thatthis was gonna be a great WIC
and deck.
And it was cool to see that hewas getting slotted into a lot
of wicked play.
It just naturally made sensewith the curve that he provided.

Alex (46:00):
He did.
He is seeing some, uh, actuallythe Wcan Bay Shell with Surge is
running a 54% win rate right nowaccording to Untap.
And what I will say is I wasactually playing, we'll talk
about Nicholas scratch when thattime comes.
We can even talk about our nextschool a little outta order,
but, um.
With AKA Moto, I was actuallyearly testing a deck with AKA
Moto Merlin and Nicholas Scratchtogether.
And I think the thing thatreally stood out to me was how

(46:23):
much better Merlin is than AKAMoto.
Way

Cozy (46:25):
better.
Yeah.

Alex (46:26):
Like it's insanely better.
And here's the interestingthing, GUI Moto individually is
way more power.
He often comes out, obviouslywhen he is buffed five, uh, you
know, five 13 or whatever.
He's, he has tremendous powerpotential.
He's also a card that can,Flipboard states with images of
kin.
He has the WTO spell.
He has good spells, good skills,like it is a good card, but the

(46:50):
deck dilution sucks so much thatwhen I was playing with Emoto, I
rarely drew Merlin.
Everything else felt awkward andthe decks felt worse despite the
fact that the cards were stillpowerful and the effects were
still powerful.
When I took Amimoto out andultimately because I took
Amimoto out, I cut Nicholasscratch.
Merlin itself was just.

(47:12):
Awesome.
'cause I drew it moreconsistently and my deck feels
like they were working better.
And I'm like, damnit Merlin isjust better than GUI Moto
straight up.
And I don't think GUI Moto isbad.
I think the deck dilution isbad.
Yeah.
And I think that like I'm notrunning King IRI to cope with
GUI Moto.
I'm just not gonna do it.
And I think Edmoto needssomething if Merlin's gonna be

(47:33):
this intuitive to play,

Cozy (47:34):
he's still doing good too.
Amimoto stats are great and workout.
But yeah, him costing more.
Like, I just went through thisthat I love, like cheap cars
that allow you to do a lot ofdifferent things.
And that's why I think Merlinwas such a winner, uh, in Alga
Moto.
It's like, yeah, you got a lotof power, but you, you sacrifice
that just deck dilution, whichis just such a, such a tough
thing to have, but it stillworks.
But you know, just committing somuch more.

(47:55):
And what does that allowultimately Merlin to be is way
more flexible than Omo.
Omo is gonna have more of hishomes.
Berlin can fit across the board.
We've seen that this week andwe're gonna continue to see it.
Uh, but yeah, man, it's crazythat it felt like.
At least for now, it, it doesn'tfeel like he's like annoyingly
powerful.
I think you put it right.
But he is definitely capable of,uh, crazy power.

(48:16):
Kinda like surge likes isannoying'cause you see her all
the time now.
But like, you're not like superpissed off that go against
another se, you know what Imean?
Like, it just feels like a cardthat kind of fits into just
being in that good cardcategory.
Uh, but yeah, man, Marilyn'sbeen fun and I'm excited to
continue to see what continuesout of Marilyn and, and the
creativity in the decks.

Alex (48:36):
Oh, absolutely.
Uh, right now, um, he's runninga 54% win rate in a 33% meta
share.
This is, uh, untapped basedstatistics since the OTA ranks
70 towards infinite.
So do, keep in mind there issome bot inflation there, but,
um, I do think that we're onlyon the cusp of starting cooking
with Merlin and he does feellike, uh, for towards people
think, well, Alex, should I getthe card like Cozy?

(48:56):
Should I get the card?
I feel like for the 10 bucks.
First of all, the season passalways represents a very good
value.
This feels like a really goodadd to your collection, in my
opinion.
Like it does get a, an absolutepass for me.
Uh, from a season passstandpoint.
It feels like it's worth the 10bucks.
It's a great filler card ifyou're, if you have holes in
collections and you're trying tobuild medex, and it's just a

(49:18):
super fun and also a super goodcard.
So I do like Merlin a lot.

Cozy (49:22):
Yeah, I think so.
I think this.
Month and next month.
They're both crazy strong cards,so you can't go wrong with them.
I think next month I think Isaid it when we previewed Mr.
Fantastic, I think he's gonna beborderline the best card in
Snap, but Merlin is superstrong, super flexible, and it's
one that like, even if you don'tplay a lot, when you do decide

(49:42):
to play a lot, you're gonna beglad you have him'cause he does
fit, you know, across the board.
So yeah.
Merlin two thumbs up.

Alex (49:48):
I got you on that Cozy and, uh, we're gonna skip Morgan
Lafa for a moment.
We'll come back to it because Ithink that Nicholas scratch is
worth talking about inconjunction with Merlin and Anga
Moto.
Now, this card I played a lotmore than I think most people, I
think most people kind of passedon Nicholas scratch and I had a
belief that Nicholas scratchcould be legit.
Now he's running again withbought inflation, a 51.5% win
rate in a 3% popularity.

(50:09):
That's what you call poo.
When you have bots also beinginflated in those stats,
Nicholas Scratch's stats arevery unimpressive.
And it also goes to show thatwhen I was working with my
Merlin index, I ultimately cutNicholas scratch'cause I felt
like I had to cut aga moto,Nicholas scratch, even if drawn
on curve.
Like turn one scratch, turn two.
Aga moto or not, sorry.

(50:30):
Turn two Amimoto, turn to uh,Merlin.
You get him to five.
Get him to six.
It's good still 1 5, 1 6, butall those times you didn't draw
him.
He felt much worse.
However, what I'm gonna say isthat we, I still think Clea
potentially could be anabsolutely banger card.
I'm really looking forward tothat card.

(50:50):
I'm seeing consensus beingpretty low on it.
So I think I might be one ofthe, the few that actually kind
of wants CLIA to be a banger andif those types of cards do
Excel, nickel Scratch will excelalong with it.
But I could see this potentiallybeing one that underperforms,
'cause my original expectationshere were much higher and it has
not felt good in my testing.

Cozy (51:10):
I'm not shocked.
I think I said on the snapshot Igave it a two, but it's a four
and I gave it a four star'causeof where it's gonna be.
I think it's just early, bro.
I think Nicholas Scratch is acard that's gonna scale as the
skill, the skill cards scale andwe're get a lot of'em.
Next month.
We're gonna continue to getthem.
And we knew this, like we knewthat he is one that will
continue to get better.
Merlin was definitely a niceaddition to him.

(51:31):
Uh, you know, and you do haveAlga Moto and stuff.
There's just not, not enough outthere for him yet.
Right.
Bad example.
But if Scream had four less carsthat moved it, she wouldn't be
screamed as she is today.
Still very strong card.
The stealing aspect is broken.
But beyond that, you know, itfeels like scratches d uh, ahead
of him.
And we kind of touched on that.
I gave him low ratings now, butin the future I do like him.
And he's definitely not one ofthose, like, he's gonna age like

(51:53):
fine wine.
More specifically, he has tobecause he is the one cost
that's gonna fuel that new kindof new archetype.

Alex (52:02):
I think literally, I think my notes, and I think I said it
out loud, was it's a four starcard in the future is I believe
what exactly what we had said,and for what it's worth.
Cozy.
I'm gonna disagree with thatpoint.
I think you can get a bottle offine wine and you can put
Nicholas scratch label directlyon it.
It has to age well.
Like it's, it has to, right?
Like there's no way it doesn't,like they're gonna commit to
these skills, aren't they?

(52:23):
I mean, they're committing now,but they, in the future, I'm
sure they will.

Cozy (52:26):
Yeah.
He's gonna, he's gonnadefinitely get better over time
and.
Skill cards are, they're goingheavy the next, I mean, this
season, next season.
And I think they're gonnadefinitely lean into it.
You

Alex (52:37):
age cheese, right?
So is he gonna age more likecheese or age like wine?
Both.
Oh, so he, you have the cheesewith the wine.
He's a perfect pairing.
Alright, perfect pairing too.
I guess.
You know all the skill cardswe'll be getting in the future,
but.
Morgan Lafe, Cozy Morgan Lafe.
I, sorry man, I couldn't come upwith a good transition there.

(52:58):
We're talking about cheese andwine.
It got all messed up, man.
I don't know, I gotta work on mytransitions, obviously.
But Morgan Lafe the fu, theabsolute Wi Fu, statistically
Cozy, not doing great, running a52% win rate at a 5.8% meta
popularity.
Again, this is ranks as 72 ahundred, so you do have some bot
inflation there and it stoppedperforming Deck, believe it or

(53:19):
not, is literally just a conchodeck with Morgan LA face slammed
in it.
Which is like, fine, I guessit's okay.
But it's like not really theintention.
It's like, well, you just may aswell just play arum with her, I
guess.
And just you know what I mean?
It's not, it's not the spirit ofthe card.
I think that's really, yeah,

Cozy (53:35):
I was kind of sad to see that the, the zoo build.
Uh, it was cool.
It was fun.
And I actually thought it waslike what we said with the
ancient one where it's likethere's uber competitive, then
there's Dex that can becompetitive, but they're fun and
then there's just fun.
Dex I think it was that, I thinkit was like it could win, it
could, it could definitely win,but it did struggle on certain
ways.
Uh, but I, there's one card thatlike, I think is just like a me

(53:57):
card.
I think it was a good time, wasMorgan.

Alex (54:00):
You know what, man, I, so Morgan LaFace stressed me out so
much.
I was legit, so nervous aboutthis card, so I'm like, I need
to cook, man, because I, I, Ididn't want people to just be
like, oh, just throw it in arandom discard shell and see
what happens.
I wanted legit to make somemagic happen and so I actually,
I cooked a deck, which honestlyI was really successful with.
I was playing some odd, therewas a.

(54:21):
One of those hot locations.
I was playing conquest and stufflike that.
We're doing a great job, man.
We were crushing, I'm gonna readthe list out here.
I called it Morgan Lamon.
And the idea around this listwas like you could Morgan Lafa
get some action there, but alsoyou had secondary lines with
Bounce.
So I was running cards like theHood, Silver Sable, rocker
Raccoon, and Nico Manaroo.
Those one drops.

(54:42):
Are tremendous scalers for theamount of demons you get.
Silver stable, obviously doingthe infliction plus the scale
rocket raccoon for pure energyand Nico with the doubling
effects either to a card oritself could be potentially
fantastic.
I also had Joaquin TorresFalcon, who I think could really
amplify those cards, especiallyas a two drop black Swan Falcon.

(55:03):
And then you had the Destroypackage of fire, hair and
Killmonger.
Alongside Hit Monkey is a closerMorgan Lafe and misery.
So the whole idea was can youget these one drops to just
repeatedly repeat their effects?
You got the Torres Falcon, yougot the misery repeating the
effects.
You also have the fire hairrepeating the effects.
Everyone's repeating everythingall the time.

(55:24):
Your opponent really can't.
Anticipate what you're gonna do.
This deck was a lot of fun.
But the thing was is because ofMorgan's forecast, you needed
very specific lines to work forher to even feel playable, which
made me wonder, I.
What do you do with this card?
I almost, I, oh, I shouldn't saythat.
I never played Morgan on turnfour and I played hours of

(55:48):
Morgan.
I only played her ever on turnfive, and it made me wonder, is
this the kind of card that wouldbenefit from being less
expensive so it can feeltighter, like you can sneak it
into a combo line as a threedrop.
The way Torres went from a threeto a two, or is it better if
it's a just straight up five,which is where you're gonna play
it anyways, and it has waybetter stats to accommodate the
amount of setup required.
Morgan, as it stands right now,gets an absolute pass from me,

(56:12):
despite the fact I did myabsolute best to cook something
that could work.
It just felt like too many hoopsto jump through for its effect.

Cozy (56:19):
I would've, I would love a three cost Morgan with even plus
two power.
I would love that.
I think that's that.
To me, that's what it feelslike.
But also you could go the otherway too.
You could go with the five costswith more.
But again, I feel like with justwhere she works in with discard
and destroy and, and even thezoo cook builds, like it is,
it's a, for me it's the costissue.

(56:39):
But yeah, you're right, rightnow we're playing around five
'cause that's where it's justworking out to play her.
But I feel like, man, I don'tthink they ever would make her
cheaper.
But I like Morgan's future.
I do, I think I overrated itthough.
I think I gave her like a four.

Alex (56:53):
You know what?
I don't remember.
What did we raise?
Maybe three and a half maybe.
I think that was pretty.
No, you landed three and a half.
I landed three on Morgan Lae.
Okay.
Alright, so that's fair.
I think she could sell it.
Oh man.
I don't know if she makes it asa three.
I think she might feel more inlike the two and a half range
right now.
Like that's my opinion, but likethe effect is so good.
Listen, when you get that popoff, it's so good.
The only challenge is, is she somuch just comes out like, or you

(57:15):
don't draw misery or you don'tdraw Killmonger or like the line
doesn't work.
It just doesn't work.
The whole deck dies.
Like, it just falls apart in away where it's like, well now
I'm doing nothing.
And that's why I tried to addBeast and Falcon.
So you at least have thatsecondary bounce line to
generate power, which I did relyon to win games.
Morgan was cool, but it, it feltlike a lot of hoops to jump

(57:38):
through.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
It's

Cozy (57:38):
fair to say too, there's so many cars that came out this
week.
Like she was probably the leasttested, or at least amongst the
least tested.
So we'll, uh, you know, continueto see her develop.
But yeah, I think she's gonna beending up more like two and a
half inch.

Alex (57:51):
And Jennifer Kale also came out, which, uh, nobody
cares about at a 2% metapopularity and a 48% win rate.
Cozy.
You and I came in really low onthis particular card, and I
don't know if you're surprised.
I'm definitely not.
It is not doing great.
I came in at two stars.
You came in at 2.5.
Jennifer Kale, are we sleepingor is this card just not really

(58:12):
that impressive?

Cozy (58:12):
Nah, the only place I thought was fun was Galactus,
but besides that, yeah, that,that's, that was about it.
It just, there's always like,why not just play anything else
almost, is what it felt like alot of the time with her.
So I, she just feels like notneeded.
Uh, you know, definitely, like,that's just my ultimate review
for just a card that's notneeded.
If it never came out, if I nevergot her, you know, I'd be okay.

Alex (58:33):
I think it's a fine series four release.
'cause this is not the kind ofcard that could have held its
own as a series five, like thisis the card of the week type
thing.
The way Mercury I think couldhave, uh, but, uh, Jennifer Kale
definitely under, uh,underperforming on these first
initial days of testing.
But then again, there's somepeople that might not have even
had her upfront Cozy.
That's gonna take us to our nexttopic of conversation, which is.

(58:55):
Are we getting too many cards inMarvel Snap?
Last week, Cozy and I, we talkedabout how we had 10 cards to
talk about and surprise,surprise, it wasn't even 10
cards that was released lastweek.
It was 12 cards that wasreleased last week due to, well,
we'll just say a couple ofmalfunctions with the, uh, Snap
pack system, but 12 cards in asingle week.
12 cards for not a single week,12 cards for this whole month.

(59:16):
Is it too many cards?
Cozy.

Cozy (59:20):
I think that's a tough question to answer.
Uh, and uh, especially you gettossed to it.
I would say no with the carsthat we got this time around
now, like, if we get 10 cars andthey're all extreme, like, think
about Jennifer and Morgan laLike some of these were more, a
little bit more in the nicheside.
Like Merlin was a big hitter,but it's like when this

(59:41):
continues to go, like I lookingahead, I was looking at some of
those, I'm like, that's whereit's like, man, it's gonna feel
like.
Uh, fantastic.
Four is a great example'cause alot of'em synergize with each
other.
And if there's like seven thatyou truly need to make that
thing work, it's like, it'sgonna feel like you're always
playing an inferior version, sothat can feel bad.
It's a lot of cards though, man.
It is definitely a huge bump upfrom what we had.

(01:00:02):
I mean, if this was in thespotlight days, good God
almighty.

Alex (01:00:07):
The concern that I have is that I feel like the release of
10 to 12 cards in a given seasonis diagnosing the wrong problem.
I don't think Marvel snapsdecline, which I know is being
felt across a couple differentsegments.
I don't think it's being, itshould be attributed to, oh,
we're not releasing enoughcards.
It's not the problem, right?
That's not the problem.

(01:00:27):
So releasing more cards inanything might actually
exacerbate the problem of thehamster wheel effect, where
people feel like they can't keepup.
'cause if you think about it,you got the season pass card,
which is great.
I actually love it this month,but it's still 10 bucks.
Call what it is.
It's 10 bucks.
$10 American, by the way.
And that American dollar, it'sstretched depending on where you
go in the world, man, if you'rein Canada, it's like basically

(01:00:47):
an extra four bucks to get that.
But um, then you have fiveseries five cards in the season.
Whether or not you're gettingthe uh, you know you're using
tokens or using the packs,that's 25,000 tokens to 30,000
tokens, depending on the methodof which you're using to access
them.
Then now you have four seasonfour cards.
That's 10 K tokens or 12 K ifyou have to use your tokens.

(01:01:09):
You have the two event cards aswell, right?
So you got the two event cards,and those should be free, which
is great, but if you can'tfinish the events or you go on
vacation or whatever.
Those are series four.
So you're gonna be paying fiveto six K tokens for the two
together, right?
Because they're 2,500 each orthree K with tokens.
All in all, you're looking atsomewhere where if you're

(01:01:30):
getting everything just kindausing the, the Snap packs, the
cheapest way possible, 30 5K andyou get the two for free, or now
suddenly you're at 48 K.
If you have to use tokens foreverything and you don't get the
event on locks.
48 K for a single month to keepstate collection complete is
insane.
And um.
It makes me nervous.

(01:01:51):
It makes me nervous'cause I feellike it's something that could
really turn players off and, andthat's kind of where my concern
is.
Cozy.

Cozy (01:01:58):
Yeah, I think, uh, it just depends like how much you play,
how much enjoyment Snap givesyou.
You gotta look at that.
I, I never want to tell peoplehow you spend your money.
I like if people get Starbucksevery day, it's like, do it,
whatever.
And if you play Snap and you.
It costs you 120 bucks a year toplay the whole every month with

(01:02:18):
every season pass card andgetting a good majority of the
cards, but you're playing it allthe time.
It's great.
Probably a great, use of yourmoney considering Mario card's
80 bucks and, uh, you know, whoknows how long you play that.
Right?
So it all, it's just a, it's allrelative of how much, you know,
our all card games are superexpensive, I think snap's way
too expensive.
I mean, that's just somethingI've always.
Been pretty adamant about butthere's also a lot you could

(01:02:40):
play with it.
You don't have to be collectioncomplete, let's face it.
But also, if you play it andyou're that invested, then it's
that weird entry.
'cause you get the season passcrush, you're already invested.
And then it's like you're, ifyou invested that much, well,
you might as well try to becollection complete.
And then that's where thehamster wheel comes in.
So it's a tough call'cause likeplaying magic, certainly.
I'm never gonna own all thecars.
I'm gonna even try to Right.

(01:03:00):
But like.
It because it's Snap.
It's such a, and the other thingis magic.
To keep the car, like physicalcar gives you keep the cars.
That's obviously a, a bigdifference, but I think it's
just the value of what it bringsyou.
And if it's causing you anxietyor whatever, or just like you're
having less of a good experienceby trying to chase it, then
yeah, then don't do it.

(01:03:21):
And I think it's bad.
So I think it's a tough call.
I'm not there yet.
Obviously like this is what I dofor a job a bit, but even like.
I'm able to like level myfeelings.
I'm not quite there yet whereit's just like, you know this,
like I can never catch uphamster wheel feeling, but I
certainly can understand,depending on how you place that,
if this, any of this makessense, it's how, what are you,

(01:03:42):
how much is Snap doing for youper month?
How many hours are you puttinginto it?
How much do you enjoy?
Does a game, you know, that'show you can kind of level out
what it takes to, to get there.
I guess that's not even thequestion, but that's just
something that was on my mind.

Alex (01:03:54):
I think that everything you said is absolutely valid.
I think the concern that I haveis that when I hear of people
leaving Snap or you know itlosing players or not being as
popular as it used to be, firstof all, every single game goes
through a lifecycle, right?
And that's one thing I wannasee, but we go, snap's dying.
Every game's kind of just dyingall the time.
Like that's just kind of whatgames do.
But in the case of Snap,obviously I love this game.

(01:04:17):
Obviously you love this game andwe'd like to see it succeed.
I just have concerns withreleasing that many cards
because of the effect that itcan have on players.
And there's another side to itas well, which I certainly feel
as a creator, is that like,listen I cook all my own decks.
I actually, it's one of the mostfun things I do when I'm at work
and I'm walking around and thestudents are writing tests and
I'm making sure they're notcheating.

(01:04:38):
I'm just thinking about like,how am I gonna build this deck?
How am I gonna do this?
I, I treat it like a problemsolving challenge for myself
every week.
That's why I come up withinventive things for Morgan Lafe
and stuff like that.
They might not always hit.
Sometimes you get the bullseyedeck, which is a hit, right?
Like, and that's cool becauselike, that's like, that's what I
love about the game.
But at the same time, you also,when you're releasing 12 cards
in a season, cards don't get achance to breathe cards, don't

(01:05:01):
get a chance to like have theirchance in the meta.
The meta doesn't get a chance tosettle.
I don't even say, I don't wannasay settle'cause that's like,
that's a, a bad or negativeattri uh, attribution.
But like you have OTAs, you have12 cards coming out.
Think about Lasher and doxy.
Lasher and doxy barely saw playand I'm gonna say barely got
tested before they, uh, lasher'sdifferent'cause of cerebral

(01:05:23):
what?
Doxy.
Doxy.
Even though it needed a massivebuff, I'm telling you right now,
saw almost no play, no onereally gave it a shot because it
came out at a time where therewas so much other stuff
happening.
Jennifer Kale.
I couldn't care less aboutJennifer Kale's release.
I don't think it's a good cardanyway.
I just don't care.
And because I don't care'causethere's so many other things I'd
rather play.
I'm just not gonna test the cardand it's gonna just languish

(01:05:46):
because of that.
And think about how long Thanoson the original release we
talked, we joked about it, wewent through the, like the kind
of backwards thing.
Thanos sat as a underappreciatedand underutilized archetype for
months until it popped off andwent absolutely crazy with
Thanos Lock jaw.
And so like there are so manycards coming out, none of them
have a chance to breathe, and Ijust don't think that's great

(01:06:07):
for the game.

Cozy (01:06:08):
Yeah, I think, this is one of the few card games that don't
have boosters and you get like abunch of bad cards and a couple
good ones.
So as long as they continue tolike be cards that are unique
and playable.
But that's where like Snap packsis like pros and cons.
'cause like you can't avoid aMorgan Lafe.
If you pull, you pull and thenyou have that card in your
collection at that point.
Right.
So I just want like filler tofill that up.
I think the biggest thing tolook out for is, you know, less

(01:06:30):
people play the games they'regonna have to, the, you know,
more cards are coming so thatthey can get more from the
people that play the game.
How mobile games work, which iswhat Snap is, is that, and I've
seen life cycles of numerousexamples and what you don't
wanna see is them squeezing whatthey do have out of the player
base now because that's.
You know, on one vein they haveto do it'cause that's how they
keep the lights on.
But in the other vein it's evenmore evidence of a, a showing of

(01:06:53):
a game going down the drain.
Right.
And we don't want that either.
So it's like it, at the end ofthe day, it, I've seen this song
a dance, and a lot of it is.
Whether it's uh, star WarsGalaxy of Heroes, which is like
a hero collector, it's the samething.
And then new upgrades come outfor those heroes, and the people
that are invested are gonna payto stay at the top and stay.

(01:07:16):
It could be a slippery slope,and I would hate to see that
happen here.

Alex (01:07:19):
What I would invite is, uh, you know, those that are
listening and watching, leavesome constructive feedback down
below for second dinner.
And if you're watching seconddinner, guys, take an
opportunity here to take a lookat what people are saying, how
they feel.
Let them know on Discord,because obviously this is the
first season this has happened.
They also had a bit of asurprise with obviously the two
cards that got released byaccident.
But most certainly guys leavethem with the feedback because

(01:07:42):
if you're feeling stressed or ifyou love it,'cause now you get
to cook even harder, let themknow because.
Obviously we want this game tobe successful and your feedback
is going to be immeasurable inkind of them ironing out this
system.
And we're talking about ironingCozy.
We need to iron out my culturereferences'cause in the Snapchat
mailbag, my gosh, Cozy.
We had a number of questionswhere just man, some of these

(01:08:06):
aren't even questions and we'regonna start with the first one
from Doug, which said, Gandalfand Dumbledore are not played by
any of the same actors inanything.
I understand Alex saying that hehas media blindness, but he said
it twice and Cozy just rolledwith it, and then Cozy later did
respond to that exact messagesaying, well, sometimes you just
gotta let Alex believe.

Cozy (01:08:25):
Yeah.
You know, guys, if I stoppedAlex every time he said
something, we would not getthrough a lot of subjects.
So I gotta sometimes.
Sometimes it's not worth thefight or the minutes, you know?
'cause then we're, then we'relike four minutes deep and then
I'm walking through actors and,you know, you've never heard of
them.
And then we gotta, you know, sosometimes you just gotta let
the, you gotta let a peacockfly.
And I, I let, Alex is mypeacock.

Alex (01:08:45):
I do appreciate that.
For the record, man, I totallythought they were the same.
Oh, I, I totally needed do.
I had no idea, dude.
Oh, but listen, I I might nothave been the only one.
So anyways that's somethingworth noting.
And we also had someone step inDarth shadow, a little bit of
information for us at theaffirmation, hookah
conversation.
Alex Hookah consists of tobaccoleaves that are flavored with

(01:09:06):
different molasses.
For an example, mint.
Blueberry and et cetera.
It has much less nicotine thancigarettes, so you don't get the
same rush.
It's more of a chill thing.
Uh, you smoke for an hour.

Cozy (01:09:18):
Yeah, there you go.
Brought to you by HookahIncorporated.
Yeah.
The more you know, I, uh, yeah.
So you haven't been to HookahLounge?
I think I've been to a coupleback in my youth.

Alex (01:09:30):
So quick story.
My wife and I, we lived in anarea where this brand new, like
hookah place was, I don't knowthe exact region of the world
where it originates from, so Idon't wanna sound ignorant to
that.
But we went in and I'll say westuck out.
Like, we're like, people arelike, kind of did like the
whole, like we walk in the door,they're like, kind of thing.
I was like, don't

Cozy (01:09:49):
say.

Alex (01:09:50):
I was like, all right.
I just, I, this place looksquite, everyone had like, they
had like these huge, they lookedlike massive bongs.
Were like, they're huge, right?
I was like, I dunno what thesethings are.
I sat down, I'm like, you guysdo like dinner and stuff, right?
They're like, yeah, yeah.
And honestly we got like, we gotsome like Nan bread stuff.
Oh, so good.
Dude, it was so good.
The food was so good, but I hadno idea what the hell was going
on.
People were smoking all stuff.
The whole place smelled likestrawberries.
I don't know if I was going to Idon't know if it was like crazy

(01:10:11):
secondhand smoke or whatever.
But I walked away impressed andthis place had Christmas lights
all year round.
Why are you laughing?
That's awesome, dude.
It's great.
I love that.
No, this

Cozy (01:10:21):
is great.
This is a great story.
Do hookah kids is what Alex istrying to say

Alex (01:10:25):
and Austin can't do.
In similar conversations.
Like this said, I love how Cozyshrinks when he gets tired
throughout the Snapchat.

Cozy (01:10:33):
I stayed up this time I, and I feel sick as a dog and I
stayed up This time I made sureI was cracking up man.
'cause I saw like top comment.
It was like Cozy iss going downthe further the episode goes.
And if you take the scrub barand you just pull it from left
or right, you, I just like.
I didn't even know I was doingit too.
I think I was just barelyhitting it on there, uh, at

(01:10:53):
MyPillow.
I'm glad people appreciated themic, pillow shipping comments.
I

Alex (01:10:57):
saw you, dude.
I thought it was absolutelyhilarious for me.
I thought it was absolutelyhilarious.
And, uh, everyone's like, oh,you should guys do more late
night episodes.
I'm like, guys, first of allright now, I feel absolutely
energized.
It's still super late on anyone.
Like, it's almost it's almostlike, what?
Oh, close to midnight here.
1130.
Like guys, this is crazy, right?
Like, it's so late for us as itis for the average person.

(01:11:19):
I don't wanna keep recording at3M just'cause it's more funny.
Oh,

Cozy (01:11:21):
I do.
I love, I love the, it's 1:00 AMfor you, bro.
I love the middle of the night.
I love the middle of the nightepisodes.
Those are the, those have alwaysbeen the best.
Every single time.
We're always like, man, I thinkpeople are gonna hate this.
And it's always the oppositereaction.

Alex (01:11:33):
We have two more quick questions here that we can get
through, and the first is fromNoel who says, hello, I know
that Marvel works with seconddinner.
If Marvel called you to playyourselves, which film or show
would you want to be in?
Now Cozy.
I know that's the one that kindof hits you on the spot here.
So I would like to say, I'd liketo voice act in what if, if I

(01:11:53):
could, I feel like that's a goodstarting point.
If I had to say, I bet you Icould sneak in somewhere as like
a daredevil.
Like a Daredevil extra or somerandom character, like who gets
shot or something in Daredevil,that probably makes the most
sense.
And if I had to pick you Cozy, Iwould say that I could see you
being a reporter in a segment,like kinda like someone on a TV
being like, New York is on fireand blah, blah, blah.

(01:12:13):
I think I can see you doingthat.

Cozy (01:12:15):
I appreciate it.
I have you seen the DoctorStrange when he is in the church
and the lady behind him is anextra and she's trying
everything she can to not lookat the camera.
Have you seen this thing?
No.
You gotta see it.
It's one of the best moments ofthe MCU.
I wanna be her.
I want to be an extra That'slike you have like out in
America in Ironman talking andI'm right behind him and I can

(01:12:37):
just, I'm just like, that's whatI wanna do.
That feels good.
That feels, that's my mark.
I.
And then I can have like aYouTube video where I have like
a red circle and there's meblurred out in the back and I'm
like, I made it tell 10-year-oldme I made it.
And then that would be it.

Alex (01:12:53):
That is generally incredible.
I like that.
Aspirations.
I also like that we're beingrealistic.
We're like, I like Cozy is notlike I'm gonna be the next
Ironman.
Yeah.
Like we're being realistic withhow we're gonna break into the
MCU here and Don about breakinginto the MCU.
I don't know if I can do it withcomments like this.
We recorded one of my absolutefavorite podcasts we've done in
a while last week, and somehowthe top voted comment was, is

(01:13:15):
Alex using lipstick?
Was it really top voted comment?
Was it Alex using lipstick?
And here's the thing.
I even told my wife, I was like,like, I'm like, yo know, like
seriously Cozy, and I recordedin the middle of the night.
It's so much funny stuff.
It's a great episode.
And the top comment is, if I'mwearing lipstick, people pick
your money for

Cozy (01:13:33):
those

Alex (01:13:34):
red lips.
She's like, are you?
I'm like, what?
I showed her the video.
She's like, she, you do looklike you're wearing lipstick.
Are you?
I'm like, no.
I'm like, I got chapstick.
I got a pink one, but it doesn'tcome on pink.
I got an orange one.
This is the one I usually use.
She's like, your pinks.
You do look like you're wearinglipstick.
Alex they're right.
I'm like, dammit.
What do I do?
Do I fix the lighting?
Do I get a new camera?

(01:13:54):
I'm not wearing lipstick.
I don't know why.
It looks like I do.
I, I wanna apologize to everyonewho thinks I'm wearing lipstick.
I'm not wearing lipstick, but ifI was, who cares?
Alex, wearing lipstick.
Uh, lipstick is confirmed.
It's confirmed as is the end ofthis podcast.
We appreciate each and every oneof you guys, and we'll see you
on that next one.

Cozy (01:14:13):
guys, excuse me, for being a little bit under the weather
today.
That's why we're a bit, uh, ashorter on time and, uh, you
know, not as much hookah talkthis time around.
Alex, uh, but I, I've gotten amany requests to to get you over
to the hookah for you to try it.
Actually, people were like, Ican't believe you cut it.
It was only like one other lineright there.
And then there was also noise inthe background, so I cut it

(01:14:33):
right when you said somethingabout hookah and that was the,
the, the comment of the lastSnapchat.
Anyway, guys, we hope youenjoyed your week here, hanging
out with us on a Monday.
We wish you a great, uh, rest ofyour summer week in June, and
we'll see you on the next one.
Happy snapping.

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