Xorn: The Movement King Arrives | The State of Snap | Elixir In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 134 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Cozy Snap (00:00):
What's going on guys?
And welcome back to yet anotherepisode of the Snapchat.
I am fresh off of exercise,fresh off a run.
Alex, I'm gonna open up, put youon the spot.
What's the weather like overthere in can Canada, Canadian,
Canada?
I just

Alexander Coccia (00:12):
Would you forget where I live, man?
Yeah, so it's it's like veryjust.
Like rainy right now.
Drizzly all over the place.
Lots of rain.
My daughter had a soccer gameand they're like, it's rep now.
And they're like, we're notcanceling for rain.
We only canceled for thunder.
I'm like, bru.
So we had to stand out there andget like soaked.
And that's the moment where Irealized that like I.
My, my wife's parents stole myumbrella.
I bought this beautiful golfumbrella at Costco.

(00:34):
It was clearance price, so Ibought it.
I don't even golf, but I'm like,yo, this umbrella can cover like
my whole family.
And then apparently her parentscame over and were like, yo,
that umbrella looks like it cancover a whole family and stole
it.
So I'm like, yo, where's thisumbrella?
And bro,

Cozy Snap (00:47):
dude, hey, stuff happened.
This I of today, I officially nolonger safe where I live.
I was swimming or teaching ourson how to swim.
And I was swimming in the pool.
And I got out and there was adad, there were two kids.
And I went up to him on my wayout and I was gonna ask him
like, Hey, huh, just like BS dadtalk.
I was like, Hey, yeah, it'sharder with two, like I just
poke him a little bit about it.

(01:08):
And as I said Hey man.
And he goes, Hey.
I was like, yeah, hey, do you?
And he goes, are you a YouTuber?
And I was like yeah, I dabblelike I, and he is no.
He goes, I'm a grand master.
And I was like, ah.
And he is here goes your rivals.
And I was like, great.
Cool.
So awesome.
He goes, do you live right here?
And I was like, ah, the area,somewhere.

(01:28):
And he is no, like in here.
And I was like, yeah, in thearea.
He's like trying to pin it down.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to move.
It's over.
It's drop'em off bud.
Not even say for my own Dojoanymore.

That's hilarious.
You're like, yeah, actually I'min my backyard.
Why are you here?
Wait a minute.
Yeah.

Cozy Snap (01:42):
Wait a second.
This is a Are you a pool guy?
I hate pools, man.
I hate'em,

dude.
I don't like being wet.
I don't like being sandy.
We've already established thatwe're running shoes on the beach
now.
That's a beach guy.
We were difference.
There's a big difference though.
We're at a beach together.
I didn't go near the water.

Cozy Snap (01:58):
No, that's fine.
But beaches are so muchdifferent than pools.
Like pools are a whole othercesspool of things happening.
Like I, I can never.
Fully enjoy.
Like I was in there swimming,right?
'cause he is God, I need to seeyou swim first.
I'm like, you got it dude,naturally.
And then I was underwater and Iwas like, yo, I haven't been in
a pool swimming like this in adecade.

I thought you were gonna be like, I went
underwater and I was like, yo, Ican't breathe.
How do I swim?
Yeah.

Cozy Snap (02:26):
Wait a second.
What is swimming?
No, dude, I did the thing whereyou go underwater all the way to
the other end or whatever, thepool, and I was like, ah, I
still got it.
I don't know what I don't knowwhat I still got.
You're one of those people thathave

the mental challenge of you go into a pool
and you wanna swim, but you'renot actually picturing other
people swimming.
You're picturing everyone isjust teabagging the water.
A hundred percent.

Cozy Snap (02:44):
Yeah.
And then I know the kids by thestairs.
I'm like, there's poop in there.
There's two poops in there.
And I don't know what it isabout the summer, man.
I just I go into this I need tobe as fit as possible.
I've been lazy sit because dude,our job is YouTube, so we just
sit.
We sit.
We're professional sitters andprofessional.
Sociopath.
We just stare at a camera andtalk to nobody.

(03:04):
So eventually it just snaps andthen I just go crazy and I have
to get into running and stuff.
That's

hilarious because I bet you there's a lot
of people that would resonatewith this statement I'm about to
make.
I don't think I've ever had thethought oh, I need to get in
this fit shape as possible.
ASAP.
That's never crossed my mindever as a lifelong card gamer,
video gamer.
Okay I have a question then.

Cozy Snap (03:25):
I have a question for you because you're dad with
older kids than myself.
My fear, the reason I do this isbecause my son is an active kid.
He's active man.
He's he makes active kids looklike they're not that.
I was gonna go somewhere withthat, but my fear is like, he's
always dad, let's race.
I'm like, okay, smoke you right.
My dad smoked me in everythingwe did and it got me better and
competitive.

(03:46):
But then bro, my fear is like,Hey dad, let's play some pickup
basketball.
I'm like, alright.
And then I'm like, I'm screwed'cause I'm like not in shape.
Do your kids ask you to playsports?

So they do like my daughter's, so my kids
are still young.
You make it sound like my kidsare watching right now, but
they're old enough to play.

Cozy Snap (04:00):
Yeah.
Mine's two and a half.
Yeah.
Like my daughter

plays rep soccer.
She's tall like I am, like sheis like a foot taller than all
the other kids in her class.
And she plays striker and I tellher, I'm like, listen, just go
harder to the net.
And she like, just.
She's good man.
She's good, she's athletic.
And my two boys like with thebaby, I have three boys, but the
two that are like the middlesthey're both incredibly athletic
very good.
Excellent skaters can prettymuch do any sport.

(04:22):
My, my one boy plays like hedoes ninja competitions, like he
loves sprinting and doing ninjastuff.
And a big part of that.
And here's what I did.
I put all my kids, boys, girls,doesn matter all early on in
gymnastics.
And so they learned to controltheir core and to like balance
and they're just incrediblyathletic, way more athletic than
I was.
And I played very high end,legit soccer.

(04:43):
Yeah, like it's funny'cause I, Ithink the time is gonna come
sooner than later where my kidswill be able to outrun me and
outplay me for sure.
Oh, I can't remember what eventhat's more of an indictment on
the physical shape that I'm in.
The, that's why I'm working out.

Cozy Snap (04:55):
That's why I'm like, I can't.
Like my dad would, we would playlike horse and I'd be like, man,
I hope I can win today.
No shop rail.
My dad was just like, he waslike doing behind the bag.
He is good luck with that one.
I'm like, oh my God.
Like

I, I can see that your dad's an absolute stud
mom.

Cozy Snap (05:08):
Yeah, he, I he's younger than me.
I feel man, they're busier thanI am.
That's for sure.
But yeah, man, it's it's summerseason, man.
I'm excited.
Excited to, to balance YouTubethe best we can in this small
little studio and then try toget some, get some summer
activities in Bud.
So looking forward to it, man.
But we do have a lot to talkabout today.
We have that guy, that man withthe chest out and the chains in

(05:30):
the middle who pretend to beMagneto, but is Magneto.
I don't know much about him.
I did learn this today.
New X-Men is spelled new X-Men.
When you flip it upside down.

I'm actually trying to picture that in my
head.
I think so new.

Cozy Snap (05:45):
Okay.
If you flip that upside down asmin, so New X-Men is new X-Men.

Oh wow.
It's the most

Cozy Snap (05:51):
mind blowing thing.
I've, okay.
I can see it.
I feel like I should just havethat as my thumbnail.
That's the coolest thing I'veever learned in my life.
It's like race car is spelledthe same, backwards and forward.

You just did one of those things where the
scientists are trying to figureout how everyone imagines
things.
Do you have an interiormonologue?
Can you actually draw thingswith your mind, et cetera.
So that's actually, I don'tknow.
I don't know why I said that.
I think Hank Green talked aboutthat a couple months ago.
I dunno, I watch a lot of HankGreen for some reason.

Cozy Snap (06:14):
We're getting deep into it, into Alex's late night
Doom scrolling love.
I love it.
I.
Also love the subjects you'retalking about on your side today
over here we're talking aboutthe, we're gonna go through some
of the move cards.
'cause Zoran is a move cardhimself and say, do they suck or
are they great?
And give some discussion towardsthat.
And then the state of Snap, notthe same discussion as always,
but a little bit about where wewant the game to go.

(06:35):
Where we see that.
Tax came out, what did that do?
And more on that.
Alex, what are we talking abouton your side?

Rosie?
On my side of the Snapchat,we're gonna be discussing Elixir
in review.
We got so much to say aboutElixir, not really.
But anyways, we're gonna betalking about Elixir for a short
period of time before we move onto the more meaty subject, which
is gonna be the best cards thatno one's playing in Marvel Snap.
Right now we're gonna be takinga look at very high win rate,
very high cube rate cards thatare very low play rates, some of
which just might surprise you.

(07:01):
And then as always, our Snapchatmailbag.

Cozy Snap (07:04):
First of all, I gotta start out people, we got the
comments down below.
We've heard you loud and clear.
You guys like the React content.
I don't think we've gotten morecomments on the Snapchat about a
subject in a very long time.
So we will bring that back insome capacity.
Very fun for us to do that,whether it's about our own
content whatever we do that withthe Reddit review, we're trying
some new subjects over here.
Definitely we'll keep that upfor you guys.

(07:24):
Anyw who.
On that note, we're gonna talkabout Zorn, XORN two costs,
three power card.
After any three or four costcard is played here, move it to
another location.
Now I know for sure I was wayhigher than you on this card
whenever it came into ourinitial rankings.
Alex, how we feeling right now?
What's your rank?

You know what?
I'm gonna stick with two stars.
Oh my God.
I, yeah.
What do you mean?
Oh my God.
I'm just, I'm

Cozy Snap (07:49):
actually trying to react so that we can react to
this in six months that you weredead or wrong by Zo, but
continue.

Okay, that's fine.
I'm so used to being wrong.
It's fine.
This does not phase me.
Yeah, so I'm gonna stick withtwo stars here.
I just I just don't see why thismakes a 12 card shell.
I do see some potential here andthere but it does, it has some
offensive capabilities.
Has some defensive capabilities,but a lot of the cards that
we're gonna be talking abouthere are either not meta at all,

(08:15):
or they've been heavily nervedfrom when they were meta.
And I do think that it's a veryeasy condition to play around as
well.
So I have a lot of questions asto whether or not this card is
truly viable enough to sneak aslot into a 12 card deck.

Cozy Snap (08:29):
Okay.
Yeah, those are fair for sure.
I'm gonna go with the higher endof three.
I think he is.
I'm gonna go three and a halfwith my ranking.
And I feel like.
For a couple reasons.
I like that he's a clear cutoffensive defense card.
Love things that can affect youropponent, but I also think that
he is, he gels with what hasbeen the most.
Probably most dominant cardoutside of the Captain Shield
and all that stuff.
Scream has been the nonstop cardof the year.

(08:51):
Okay.
And he's gonna give that carddirect perfect synergy for it.
Having a way to move cardswithout having to play cards is
always something very strong.
And then I love this at twocosts.
I think it's super strong at twocosts for what you're playing
down.
You are gonna be able to open upso many more decks, cards that
can work with it.
New synergies against it.
It can prevent Cosmo.

(09:12):
I think there's some fun thingsabout him that is truly just
being overlooked.
I like him as a card a lot and Ithink three and a half is
feeling pretty confident.

Okay.
That's pretty fair too.
Like I can see the argumentthere, like obviously I'm a bit
on the lower side.
You're a bit on the higher side.
And it is funny that you bringup Scream because Scream is by
far one of the strongestarchetypes right now and the
newest variation of Screamthat's actually has the highest
cube rate, high screen rate isone that features a lot of the
move cards that we're gonna betalking about silk hydro,

(09:41):
stomper and stuff like that.
And of course, Zorn would be agood addition to that.
However, the concern that I haveis Zorn just gonna get carried
by What is literally one of theabsolute best decks in the game?
Or will it actually make anotable increase in its
capabilities?
'cause you're gonna have to cutsomething like a Sam.
Now you won't cut Sam Wilson,but do you cut something like

(10:01):
Craven from a deck for Zorn?
You know what I mean?
Like you're gonna have to make adifficult cut somewhere in a
deck that's already soimpeccably strong.

Cozy Snap (10:08):
Yeah.
I feel like same with Surge.
We were like how does he work?
Or we haven't played Snap likethis.
I just feel like that he's gonnafit into that same mold.
Like it's like he, he's justadding something different to, I
think it's so easy to pigeonholenew cars into decks we've been
playing, which typically works,but there's ways to really bring
in some new heroes and villainsinto those decks that, play
differently altogether.
And so I'm not thinking he'sgonna be a staple across the

(10:30):
board.
I just think that he's a hugepiece chess piece that's gonna
fit in a couple decks reallywell.
Which is why I've got thatthree, three and a half ranking
for him.
But yeah fair conversation aboutit.
I think in scream though, justin base shell scream, he's
really cool as a tech piece too.
Yeah, you're gonna get scream,going and you're gonna be able
to move cards and hydros stop ora build up and whatever you want
to do.
But then you're alsoguaranteeing the lane where you

(10:50):
don't have to worry aboutcertain things happening, which
is always great.
Giving yourself a certifiedchance of, not having to deal
with a three or four into thatlane is.
Shutting down a good amount ofstrategies that Dex have.
There's a lot of, especiallythink about this in advantageous
locations.
That's one of the things I'm, Idon't think people are thinking
about enough.
There's locations that are justlike game winning ones that if

(11:10):
you could land, you get going,whatever it might be, he could
prevent that.
And that really creates somecool opportunity from'em.
Yes.
It's random locations.
You've got that.
They have to do that'cause it'sa two cost.
Makes sense.
But then we start talking aboutsome of the cards that he works
with.
Now, I teased at the at my kindof cozy, spicy take.
When we talked about this in thepre weeks a few weeks ago, was
Red Wing.

(11:31):
I think that's a veryinteresting card to play with
him.
Red Wing typically has beensuper hard to play.
This is on Curve.
Red Wing's, a three five, right?
A and can play a card easilyfrom your hand.
So could that create some kindof cool, when I say Phoenix
forest deck, some cool archetypenew thing that we haven't seen
before because we have a naturalcurve piece into it possibly.

(11:53):
But also that he just works witha lot of the move stuff to get
insane value for not doing much.
I like him way better thansomething like Hercules.

I do feel that like the Red Wing capability is
pretty high.
Like you could come up with somesort of like mini move dump
style list, which I think iscool.
And that does work on curve,obviously.
And while discussing movespecifically obviously you have
things like vulture that workwell with Zorn.
It won't work so well withsomething like a human torch,
but Vulture specifically.
And for that reason, I get towonder if if you're playing

(12:22):
move.
Is Topaz strictly better becauseyou have the ability to go
directly to the center.
Is Mme.
Webb strictly better?
And so I start to think aboutwhat move wants, and I don't
know if Zorn is it.
So then I start to think about,okay, if Move wants Topaz or if
Move wants Mme.
Webb, who wants Zorn?
Do you lean into the disruptionside?

(12:43):
It's pretty cool that he likerepels threes and fours, right?
That could be particularlyadvantageous.
However, at the same time it'sonly threes and fours and I
don't wanna see this seemdismissive, but one's, twos, I.
Fives and sixes are highlyimpactful cards of Marvel Snap.
And so when you have such anarrow band of impact from a
disruption standpoint, is it toolittle to be useful offensively?

(13:08):
And is it too little to beuseful defensively?
Is it just not quite enough?
Like you have to pair it withsomething like a goose for true
disruption.
Is that something you'd evenwanna do?

Cozy Snap (13:19):
Yeah, that, that's definitely fair points.
I think what I like is we've gota lot of solid thes and fours in
the move category that can work.
And namely, it's obviously thevulture or whatever are gonna be
the big ones.
But the repelling fact isthere's plenty of threes and
fours that create most of thestrategies into the later game
of Snap.
And that's why I think, yeah,it's only those two, but those
are some key turns as we've seenin the past.

(13:40):
But yeah, I don't think you haveto lean into it that hard.
That's the thing.
I think that he can get hisvalue going for him, for what
you're trying to accomplish.
And then, whether that is, thetrue move deck and doing, the
leaper with him, with, whatever,building into that way or
building into a new tech piece.
But yeah, so this is what Ithink is cool is as Alex would
says all the time, it's entirelypossible that.
This doesn't work well, andyou're right, he doesn't find

(14:02):
that place.
I just feel like the effect he'sbringing at the cost amount that
he is, feels really solid towhat he's gonna bring to those
decks.

He looks like he could be cool and I think
he's staed appropriately as atwo three with this ability.
I just wonder if this text isactually good.
Yeah.
I think that's what I'm tryingto say.
Like I wonder if this text in agame of Marvel Snap where like
realistically as more cards getadded to the game, like this is
a problem that we're havingwhere you get more cards out to
the game.
And the decks get tighter andtighter.

(14:33):
And it seems like win rates aregetting higher and higher.
Cube rates are getting higherand higher.
We're seeing a little bit ofpower creep here and there.
And this text feelsconservative, right?
It just does not feel like, itdoesn't stand out to me the way
like surges text did, like surgestood out as okay, this clearly
is going be really cool.
Yeah.
And search is leaps and

Cozy Snap (14:51):
bounds better than Zorn for sure.

Yes.
There's no question about that.
And that's I guess, what myconcern is.
However.
Not, it's not to say that theremight not be an interesting spot
for this.
Like I can imagine a screamvariation of a deck that's
utilizing Zorn and you couldhave something like a kingpin
now, right?
And you could, obviously knockthings into the kingpin
location.

(15:13):
You could pull airings into thekingpin location.
And what if you run somethinglike a Diamondback?
Because now you're able to putDiamondback in a location and a
lot of things that it would hitare being like repelled into
that lo specific location.
Diamondback hits anything that'sduffed, but I guess what I'm
trying to say is I can see theviability here.
I just, these decks are gettingso tight and so hard.
Like there we have a havoc deckthat's cutting kitty pride, it's

(15:35):
wild how the most minute.
Difficult choices are being madearound card selection.
Yeah, it's true for very smallgains.

Cozy Snap (15:43):
You think you ever go with the Zorn into a storm shut
down location kind of thing?
Man, I still miss three carstorms so much.
It just feels, yeah oh, it'sjust crazy that that was such a
reliable combo and so manydifferent plays and avenues and
I would've loved it.
Imagine the curve.
'cause the problem is right withthe storm we have now is if you
were to play him, then you playher on Ford, they have a chance

(16:05):
to play.
What the five costs and thenthat doesn't, nothing happens,
right?
But if she would've been a threecost, imagine Zorn into storm,
yeah, you're gonna have your ownstorm move, but then you have
Zorn there, so you have somepower there and then you're
probably playing a move deck.
So then you really have acontrol aspect to play into
this.
And that's what you were saying.
Okay.
Does Goose, does cards that youcould work here restrictive,
really work into this?

(16:25):
Potentially?
Yeah, we'll have to see.
I do think that, that vulturethough is such a cool top deck
that you can work out, that'llbe fun.
But overall, I'm not sittinghere saying he is gonna be the
best card ever.
I think three star, though feelsfair to what he might bring to
that architect.

I can absolutely see him being a three
star card.
Now, there I did have a thoughtthough.
I think an interesting card toplay on top of him could be
Professor X, because if youthink about playing Zorn down,
it'll repel all the cards prettymuch after those next turns,
right?
Like the threes and the fours.
If you're able to just throwdown a Pro X and just slap it on
top.

(17:01):
I think that could potentially,that's cool.
Just catch your opponent offguard.
That's cool because the profixwill stick, and then like you've
been repelling everything fromthat lane the whole time.
That could be cool.
And if you could even trysomething fancy like vo turn
two, turn three zorn plus a onedrop under.

Cozy Snap (17:14):
I like the Pro X point actually on a ton.
It feels like under.
Like the daredevil of old, itfeels like that or the storm
play even that is more like youhave an actual shot and then it
doesn't really mess up yourgameplay too.
Think about this, right?
Obviously these hands and whatthe hell is this deck?
But just let's say you go Zorninto like vulture, right?
So vulture goes to another lane,boom, it's big power, and then
you close that other lane offwith prox.

(17:36):
So then you have the big vultureyou didn't really like your game
plan was around the getting oneof the other lanes.
Zorn makes it random.
So once that three moves orsomething happens, you commit to
whatever that's gonna be at,right?
And then you go from there andthen you bam.
Yeah.
You lock out with the x.
I think that's cool.
I think that's a fun littlebuild that you could pull off.
Maybe you go storm in the otherlane too with your four, then

(17:57):
you could pick between lanes.
Okay.
They go in the storm lane, youcan X that other lane off,
whatever.
You can build it into a controldeck potentially.
That'd be fun.

Yeah, it definitely could be.
And I was even trying to figureout like.
Could you do something cool withGene Gray?
But the only challenge there wasthat if you play Gene Gray into
Zorn it, it moves, right?
You'd have to play Gene Grayfirst.
Then play Zorn on top of Genegray, turn four alongside
something else to beconsistently or potentially
consistently disruptive.
But then they might just play afive six, right?

(18:27):
They could play vision at thedom or something.
So that's where I'm like, ah Idon't know is this even
disruptive?
How

Cozy Snap (18:33):
cool would've been if this was an ongoing, after any
three or four card is playedhere, move to another location.
'cause then you could thenpotentially play this into
ongoing decks to then work withthat a little bit better.
Like at least you get somethinggoing more.
Would you have liked this as anongoing card?

I'm not sure.
Ongoings actually really goodright now.
Know ongoing spectrum issurprisingly legit.
But with Zorn, I don't know,like I guess it would
technically be better'cause thisis not really an effect.
We're stealing.
Like you wouldn't rogue this,you wouldn't enc Chandler this
like y you know what I mean?
Yeah.
And you would have the

Cozy Snap (19:03):
prox and the spectrum finish.
You would have the synergy youjust said.
Yeah.

It would probably just be a straight up
buff if it was ongoing,'causeit's just not worth stealing.

Cozy Snap (19:10):
That's yeah, that's the way I feel about it.
But either way.
Zorn, do you pull him?
Do not like, listen, he's gonnabe in the packs anyway at this
point.
He's not the worst thing to get.
I think it's like one of thosethis is where it starts to feel
weird though.
'cause you go in, not to spoileron Elixir, but you go in and
you're like, okay, I'm gonna gofor Zorn.
You get Elixir and you're like,crap.
And then you pull a can and thenyou get small.
Yeah.
And then you get Zorn and you'relike, oh, I just used two packs

(19:32):
for this.
So that's where it starts to geta little bit.
Little bit choppy, little muddywaters there.
Anything else on, on store?
I do think we're not talkingabout the Red Wing thing enough.
I think there are some reallycool, interesting builds
honestly with that, that youcould pull off that is like a
new style of play that likepotentially, and I don't, I'm
just spitball, but it's alright,what does Red Wing do?
Do?
He can help ramp things out,cheap things out.

(19:53):
It's okay.
Do you build into that withramp?
With him as a two.
Okay.
I don't know, do you figure somestuff out where you try to get
something rolling with the cheatouts?
I think it's a cool possibility.

Oh definitely is for sure.
And even with Red winging a lotof those like red wing dump
decks, we're running Heim dollnaturally anyways.
They had bigger plays pieces todrop the pole, even have those
Dracula dump style decks.
Most certainly.
And I was, while you weretalking, I was thinking, I think
I know what the title of myvideo is.
You could even do it for thetitle of Snapchat, torn on Zorn.
Man, that's what I feel like I'mtorn on Zorn because I'm not
exactly sure how to feel youwant.

(20:25):
This is a card where I know it'snot surge.
I know it's not Esme, to behonest with you.
I think I actually have come tolike Esme a lot.
But where does it actually fall?
It's close.
Does, it's on that edge.
It's on the fence.
Is it worth getting or not worthgetting And it's gonna be a
close call, I think, with Zorn.

Cozy Snap (20:41):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Alright guys, that is ourconversation on Zorn.
With that, let's talk about themove cards before we go into all
of them.
Talking about the newest ones,right?
In order.
We did this not too long ago.
It's been a couple more weeks.
I want you to rank from thenewest move cards that have come
out.
Your favorite to least favorite.
Good, great.
Or garbage Go.
Topaz.

Topaz.
Topaz is good.
I think

Cozy Snap (21:03):
topaz is good.
Let's do, okay.
So I have greater garbage.
Do we wanna, do we stick withgood, greater garbage.
Good.
Great.
Or garbage.
Okay.
I like it.

Is that, does it need like a fourth option?
Good.
Great Garbage.
It is good.
Mid good slash mid fine.
Gaming, though mid is consideredbad, so now I'm not even sure.

Cozy Snap (21:24):
Garbage.
Good.
Great.
Goaded.

Okay.
I can now I, okay.
I'll try to remember all this.
I'm gonna try,

Cozy Snap (21:30):
we'll add another one midway through just to spice
things up.

Alright, let's start with bat Rock, the leaper.
Oh, it's Gray Card, goaded card.
I think.
Bat.
Bat.
Is it Roc?
It's, I think it's, I even, Iget roasted no matter what I say
with this stamp card.
ROC The Leaper is goaded.
I think the card's phenomenalfor a one.
I think for one it's so good.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Cozy Snap (21:49):
I think I, I'm gonna say Goed.
I'm gonna say Goed too, I think.
And we're talking with Move,right?
Yeah.
And or the grand aspect ofthings.
That's fine.
Go to Cool Topez.

Topaz is good.
I think Topaz is probablyunderappreciated.
My play experience with Topazwas relatively positive very
reliable.
Pretty good.
Even in a, I didn't ultimatelymake the best versions of like
bounce move or anything likethat, but I definitely think it
has potential.
It's a good card.
Hydros, stuper.
I Hydros Stopper's Goaded.
I think Hydros Stopper's great.
Even in my review of it, I waslike, yo, this car, it's gonna

(22:18):
get no respect and it deservesso much better.

Cozy Snap (22:20):
Yeah,

hydros stopper legit casually gets to 10 power
on a regular basis, justquietly.
It just quietly crushes and noone really respects it like it
is one of those silent winners.
Of Marvel Snap.
It feels like speed 2.0 whereit's like you look at when you
really analyze like untappedstats and you go through things,
speeds, win rates, speeds, cuberates, and every deck with speed

(22:43):
is always doing good, exceptit's never the most popular
rendition of a specific deck.
Like people are more willing toplay decks that are worse and
not have speed in them.
Than the speed version.
That's clearly better.
Yeah.
And I think it's because a lotof people just didn't commit
resources to get speed becausehe's just not exciting enough.
I think that hydros stopperfeels a similar similar vein.

(23:05):
It's dude, this card is so goodthat no one's really paying
attention to.

Cozy Snap (23:08):
Yeah.
I think I would say it's coated,I think for what you're getting
out of it in the common statlines.
Yeah.
I would a hundred percent agreethere.
I It's okay.
Before we go into some of theother cards I don't know why
we're not just showing'em onscreen, but what is your, is
move still a gimmick?
Is it?
Has it transcended if you play?
If you learn it, could it be thebest deck of the game If you
master it, where's move at?

(23:29):
If somebody wanted to get intoit right now?

So move, bounce, I think has the
potential to be literally rankone.
It was at the absolute top ofthe meta and the most sweatiest
of of MMRs.
And that, that, is clear.
But a very specific form of movebounce.
So I think what happened was isthey were very cognizant of the
fact that when they releasedMadame Webb and they did all
this stuff even with Toxin andBeast and all the changes they
made, they were very.

(23:53):
Scared.
Scared of the well, what if theybalance human torch on turn five
and then turn six human torchtaskmaster.
And that's why they changedtaskmaster to a six.
I think that was one of thethings that was concerned.
And then they released frica,which was able to copy and
absolutely go against you inhuman torch.
And the reason why I bring thisup cozy is because MOVE has a

(24:13):
tremendous amount of tools nowit has tremendously high win
rate decks.
It sees almost no play.
There are gonna be people at theabsolute top end of the meta
that will play move, and that'sfine.
They're playing competitivelyand they're playing a good
shell.
But like the average person justdoes not enjoy that style of
play.
Like it's just that simple.

Cozy Snap (24:31):
I feel like if this game was more of more
competitive, like way morecompetitive than we would see,
move, get way more commitment.
Like I think it ultimately, butyeah, to your point because at
the very top end of play,typically the super high skill
ceiling stuff is what peoplelike to bring in.
And especially, I always thinkthis in like any type of a
tournament play or anything likethat.

(24:52):
Unexpected okay, so if atournament's, like an open deck
list, right?
What's your advantage there?
Okay.
Your advantage and what I woulddo, at least in an open deck
list tournament, is I would playthings that still gave me
information that was hidden.
Okay.
Or that was not being able to bethought about.
And so move can give you thatoption.
That's why people like Bounce aswell, but also it's why you see

(25:15):
some kind of niche stuffsometimes in tournament play
regardless and or that's what Iwould expect.

No, ab absolutely.
If you want to commit tolearning move, you have an
incredible amount of powerpotential.
Daggers and human torches get toasinine numbers, right?
If I'm gonna be playing move,I'll be out.
I'm playing human not humantorch.
I'm playing Phoenix Forestversions.
I'm not playing the.
Move, bounce stuff.
I just don't like the playpattern or not.
I'm sorry.
I just don't.
You're like Alex, why do you usethis gun in Call of Duty versus
the other guy?
I just like this one better.
I don't know what to tell you.

(25:40):
I just like Phoenix fours betterthan the other styles.
And and that's, I think totallyfine.
With regards to deck list, bythe way, I will say I personally
prefer closed deck.
I've always so much more.
Yeah.
It's better.
I think back to some of the mostfun that I've had playing
tournaments like even, like hereit is, bringing it back when I
was playing Kang, the amount offree people, you can't talk
about it again, people.

Cozy Snap (26:00):
It's every day.
It's, I swear, I feel like youtalk to your wife about it.
I feel like you're like, Hey,every night, you know what?
We go to tournament.
She's

Alex, is this the night we're gonna watch
shutter Island?
I'm like, actually, let's watchthis replay ball.
When we actually, lemme tell youabout paying the concrete.
It's

Cozy Snap (26:15):
yeah.
Have you ever heard the story ofKang the Con?

Yeah.
Have you ever heard the story ofthe time that I played Kang The
Conquer, but outside of that?
Okay, let's just ignore I saidall that.
'cause it's cringe.
I get it.
But I'm gonna go back to aclosed deck list.
I remember losing in a matchagainst the molt.
I.
And the reason why I lost is'cause inexplicably he was
playing move.
Like we knew that Mott was themove guy, but he was playing an
on, not an onside.

(26:39):
I keep omega red, I almostforgot the card's name, omega
red in a move deck.
And I could never have ever, I.
Predicted that he was gonna addthat power across the board with
an omega red play.
Like I just never, and he wonfour cues off me and I was like,
bro just played omega red.
And that is what surprise cardsdo competitively.
A

Cozy Snap (26:57):
hundred percent.
I agree.
I went back, by the way, and Iwas putting together a casting
reel for doing some projectscoming up and I was going back
and I looked at some of theconquerors tournament dude.
It's crazy they didn't lean intothat.
I, it is so wild that they didnot lean into conquerors because
I went back and watched I wasgrabbing some of the footage.
I just thought it was reallyfun.

(27:17):
So it, it was cool to see thatkind of back in the a day.
It's also crazy seeing how muchsimpler things were back then in
Snap, especially and just ingeneral, man, but, alright, next
up, Irania.
Irania was whoa, the car, whereis she now?
Good.
Great.
Garbage or goated?

You know what?
She's probably just good.
I'm gonna say good.
She's not garbage.
Yeah, she's not garbage.
She's not garbage, but she's notgreat.
Cannonballs.
He's great.
He might be goated, let's behonest.
He's probably, he's minimumgreat.

Cozy Snap (27:44):
Yeah, I think he's Goated.
C Marvel.

You always the move, you know what?
I love this card so much.
It's one of my absolute favoritedesigns.
It bothers me that it doesn'twork the way it should.
If you have multiple, theyshould really calculate the wind
condition by themselvesaltogether.
But I like it.
It's a great card, but itdoesn't play like a great card.

Cozy Snap (28:01):
Where the hell is cloaked these days?

I don't know.
He's invisible, isn't he?

Cozy Snap (28:06):
I think he is.
He is in rifles.
That's it.
That's, yeah.
That's the only place I've seenthem.
Yeah.
Cloak is garbage.
Yeah, just a garbage back in theday.
I feel bad.
Before was nice.
I feel for CLO Ben,

every time someone picks cloak and dagger
and rivals and we're in like thelobby waiting to go, like when
everyone's just there's like westarted in 60 seconds and
everyone's just smashing VAEsand stuff like that.
No one's ever just idling ascloak.
They're always idling as dagger.
And I wonder why

Cozy Snap (28:32):
That's what it does.

You can't change it.
No.
I mean you could switch, but Ithink it's the But

Cozy Snap (28:38):
Oh, you mean when you're waiting?
I thought you meant in thebracelet like screen when you're
like in the lobby.

I'm talking about when when everyone's just
standing there and they're justputting sprays on the door.
It's

Cozy Snap (28:49):
definitely the booty man.
It's the goons man.
The goons are strong.
Yeah.
Trons coming out.
Did you see old Trons gameplay?
It's sig, bro.

Yeah, I watched your video, dude, we
just talked about this.
You released like seven videosin four hours.
What's this guy doing right now?
It's my apparent, apparently notliving life, apparently.
Just grinding.
Dude, it's something.
It's

Cozy Snap (29:06):
up there as one of my favorite like releases Colossus,
the.
There he is.
There he is.
Side club.
Let's move X-Men dagger, stateof dagger plus two.

You know what, man?
I've not played much dagger likeever since they changed it from
like from the, it reduced thescaling.
I'm not even sure.
Yeah, I had and I honestly noteven sure.
It's probably still good.
It's probably great.
It's still probably puts apower.
I just have not been played.
I

Cozy Snap (29:30):
think it's great.
I don't think it's goatedanymore.
I think it was Goated.
But in balance.
In balance is probably stillvery good for somebody who's a
high iq, Dr.
Strange, still think it's just acrime, what this guy does in
this game, comparable to what heis, but move to the highest move
highest power cards to thislocation.

Yeah, he's okay.
This is one

Cozy Snap (29:47):
of those, gotta say it.
Draft cards I think would be sofun to see in a draft game mode.
Like out of nowhere you'replaying, you're like, I got this
guy beat.
And then he like stranges you.
No one would ever expect that.
That's the only time he could beuseful in that kind of a format.

We do, we have a card that'll strange or move
the highest power card of anenemy.
If they have a what?
Like a Gigo in a location.
Could you pull their highestpower card to another location?
Cannonball needs to come out.
Cannonball.
Yes.
But Cannonball does it in thelocation.
Dr.
Strange will pull it to, oh, toa

Cozy Snap (30:20):
location.
No, it doesn't do that.
And we don't have one of those.

I guess Arrow does, but not really

Cozy Snap (30:26):
Now, what the hell is that?
What is, why does it say youmove, search, move.
This is move.

These are all move cards.
This

Cozy Snap (30:32):
is under the thing of move.
There's like something missinghere too.
Ghost spider,

Ghost spider's.
A good card.
I it Is it great?
I don't know like it's a hugeenabler without ghost Spiders
think's great.
Is Dex feel absolutely awful.
I think it's great

Cozy Snap (30:46):
if, but if the leapers go, I think it's great.

Yeah, because I mean it's without ghost
spider, all those decks are wayworse.

Cozy Snap (30:53):
IGEL six 10.
I feel like they finally gotthis guy he still doesn't feel
perfect.
I love this variable, thisvariant.
Oh, I know, bro.
Back when no one had it too.
Oh, I live it is a hundreddollars variant.
I still, I've saved so muchmoney not buying variants, bro.

I know.
I feel so bad.
I interrupted your talk just tosay I love this variable.
Honestly, I've been teaching waytoo much compsci lately.
I just, I'm so confused.
I don't, where am I?

Cozy Snap (31:18):
Moving on.
I think Heim Dell, we still wantto do left and right, but it is,
out at this point, we're notgetting that.
What about Hercules?
Man?
Actually no.
Wait.
We didn't even say good gradegarbage on this guy.
What?
What are we saying?

I think he's good.
I don't think he's great yet.
I think he's great.
He should be great.
He should be great.
He's just not quite there yet.

Cozy Snap (31:34):
Dude, I talked about this guy coming to rivals.
I'm like, I wish it would be socool to have him with his big
old.
Old sword and whatnot.
Hercules, good.
Great garbage Goated.

Ah, he's garbage.
Get him outta my face.

Cozy Snap (31:48):
The tone shift happened.
I would agree.
I would.
I agree.
Human torch,

Goated.
This guy's goated.
Let's be honest.
This is so much powergeneration.
This is such an insane scaler.
Absolutely Goed.
If you had another card that canget over a hundred powers, a one
drop, it would be broken.

Cozy Snap (32:03):
Goed Hydro Bobb.
No.
Come on again.

Hi Iron Fist.
How dare you skip hydration.
Bombard the cart is goad, andit's, I tried to

Cozy Snap (32:12):
skip'em so fast that you wanna say the name and you
found a way to just slip it inthere anyway.

I think iron fist is good.
I like iron fist.
I think it's good.
It serves a purpose.
It's, it does the thing maybe,does it need to be a one three?
I don't know.
I always think about should theother move cards have a little
extra power?
And maybe should, like the humantorches and daggers be toned
down a little bit.
Should we need a more balancedapproach to power and move?
I don't know, man.
I don't play the archetype much.

Cozy Snap (32:38):
It's like discord has that right to do its enablers.
But yeah, I think a one threeiron fist I don't think breaks
anything.
That's for sure.
Jeff,

I'm so sad.
I can't believe this card is soirrelevant.
I don't wanna say it's garbage.
I don't wanna say it's garbage.
Maybe

Cozy Snap (32:52):
he comes back with Zorn.

Why

Cozy Snap (32:55):
Professor x?
I?
Why?
No idea.
Juggernauts.
Goated,

goaded.
This is Goated.
This is one of the best cards inthe game.
Hey, what's Jeff now?
One of the worst cards in thegame.

Cozy Snap (33:07):
No, dude, that's something that power crept out
of existence.
I think he's good.
Where's Craven at these days?

Dude, Craven's crushing it.
But cr Craven's only goodbecause Sam Wilson is good.
And the decks that want SamWilson don't mind having Craven.
And then now Silk's coming back.
So Craven's making a comeback.
Craven's legit.
It's legit.

Cozy Snap (33:25):
Yeah, like good.
Great

garbage.
What

Cozy Snap (33:27):
did you say?

Good.
I would say great right now.
Definitely great, but very metadependent.

Cozy Snap (33:31):
Yo, I forgot Leach was a card.

Honestly, probably one of the best day and
hips in the game though.

Cozy Snap (33:37):
Yeah.
That you'll never, that you'llnever see.
Mme.
Webb.

Mme.
Webb, I've had a complicatedrelationship with Mme.
Webb in the past.
I will say that I think the cardultimately is probably closer to
great.
It really does add a lot tomove, like it really made.
Move viable in a way that othercards could never, so I do think
that for move specifically, it'sprobably great.

Cozy Snap (34:03):
I'm gonna say Great.
I do too.
Would you wear as a one zeroinstead?

I don't know what I want.
I don't play the archetypeenough.
I don't know what I want.
It doesn't go into PhoenixForest, so I don't care.

Cozy Snap (34:14):
Fair enough.
Okay.
I would say great though.
Magneto, does he need something?
I feel like he does.
What was the last time to playMagneto?

What does he need though?
He needs, first of all, he needsa hug.
I think Magneto's one of thoseguys, like if a good hug would
correct a lot of magneto'sproblems.

Cozy Snap (34:30):
What about the cards?
He moves?
He puts negative one on.

I think he needs a massive ring on his
shoulders that gets charged ashe absorbs damage, like

Cozy Snap (34:39):
throws a meteor somebody.
Yeah.
Do you think though, do honestlythink, I think he's think might
need

power.

Cozy Snap (34:44):
I think he's good.
I think that he, no, that's whatI'm saying.
The negative one thing at leastgives him power in a way.

What if he was a six 10 that stole one energy
from every card he moved, so hecan go to a potentially six 14,
but he's displacing those cards,but also competing with them
from a power perspective.
I think that's better than a six12.

Cozy Snap (35:05):
I like it.
Because

he's moving them, right?
He's the master of magnetism.
Why can't he steal some power?

Cozy Snap (35:10):
They need to bring it back.
When he moves

Wolverine in the movies and stuff,
Wolverine's not enjoying it.

Cozy Snap (35:14):
But why do that when you could just release another
magneto?

I guess that's true.
Who smile is that?
Miles is legit.
We got so much stuff movingaround now.
He's just a free one.
Six's a great ZO card.
Remember?
They buff, they muff miles.
He was a one five or four five,I should say.

Cozy Snap (35:30):
This is a good Zorn card.
'cause this is like anytime youcan play him, because
essentially it's like movingJeff or whatever, like without
having to do a commitment to themove per se.

Yeah.
Yeah.
You play Zorn.
Turn two, skip turn.
Three miles.
Turn four on Zorn.

Cozy Snap (35:45):
Can you, yeah, can you, but can you, yeah.
Can you play the one cost atmiles at that point?

I Did you, I don't know if you, did you get
my joke or no?
I think you missed my joke.
My joke, my was you play theforecast miles on top of the
Zorn.
It was a great joke.
Obviously.
I thought it was funny.
I thought it was, that was abetter joke.

Cozy Snap (36:04):
That was a better joke

on multiple man.
I think the card's probablygood, but on the lower end.
'cause like the only placeyou're seeing much multiple man
is ironically Phoenix Forest,which I managed to bring up a
hundred times today.
And even then, multiple Man isnot the preferred avenue for
Phoenix Forest.
Generally speaking, I like topull the human torch, move
Phoenix Force around a bunch andthen Zola for the double double
clap.
But like multiple man's a goodfallback, don't get me wrong.

(36:27):
It is but like outside of that,it just doesn't get the love it
deserves.
And I think part of it is one ofthe major challenges of the move
is Snap is very constrictivespace-wise and multiple man just
dates way too much space andnumbers get way too high for
multiple man to be relevant.

Cozy Snap (36:42):
I like him.
He's like my OG king.
That's I can't ever like it, butyeah, I agree.
I think.
I mean as we continue to getthese kind of like stat boosting
cards, like it's helping themand we've got a lot of'em lately
the more those come out,scream's coated, we already
know.
Scream's coated, don't have todo that.
V where's vision at these days?

I love vision.
I think vision's superunderappreciated.
He's just not fancy enough.
Again, there's just so muchtight complexities of snap decks
these days.
Synergy is through the roof.
There's just not much there forvision anymore, despite the fact
that I think he's a great cardand

Cozy Snap (37:14):
vulture.

Let's be honest, Vulture's actually a
good card like this card gets totremendous power, relatively
easy.
Three nine, easily easy.
One move, man.
He is a three nine.

Cozy Snap (37:22):
This is let's be honest, this is such a good play
with Zorn.
It's crazy.
And the fact that you can have,that's why I like him so much.
The fact you have Zorn down attwo and then you just need to
draw vulture at any other pointand you get yourself a three
nine.
Congratulations.
That's awesome.

If you play vulture, then you play red wing
next, like how much value couldyou possibly expect to extract
from a single card?

Cozy Snap (37:41):
That's not bad.
That's it.
It's not bad.
There you go.

See, it's better than Ironman.
Zola.
If you play vulture

Cozy Snap (37:45):
down, it moves over and then you figure that

Boom.
Beautiful.
I do like that.

Cozy Snap (37:50):
If you could try to design something for move to
make it more fun and accessible,what would it be?

Damn.
That's a hard question to put meon the spot with.
What would I design for move tomake it more relevant?
Man, I actually don't know.
I don't know.
I don't play that archetypeenough.
And to sit here and be like, oh,I think it needs, this would be,
I think, disingenuous.
I feel like I.
The most fun way to play moveright now is ironically the
scream disruption style movewhere you're moving your other
opponent's cards for them.

(38:17):
But maybe it's just it'slocations.
I think it's locations like, I,I don't wanna say we need an AAM
mode where we get rid of, I.
All the spots and increase,maybe there's a move card that
allows cards to, to move like asan extra slot.
What if there's a move card thatignores space restrictions in a
location?
That's one of the majorchallenges it has.
And even the way, like youheimdall and like the position,

(38:39):
the macro position of the cardsmatters, and then cards get
rammed against each other andjammed and stuff.
It's just, I think it's a spacegame and that's why the bounce
variation is probably the bestbecause it accommodates the
space requirements soeffectively it just.
I think it's a design issue withSnap, like move and Snap itself
might not be congruent with oneanother.

Cozy Snap (38:58):
I want a card I have that's six costed.
That is, instead of Heim Dell,it's very low powered, but you
play it down and everything'sNew York, so you can move around
and shuffle whatever you want toon your side of the locations.
Low power card.
It's just the activation of it.
'cause I feel like it's broken,but I feel like if it was low

(39:19):
powered enough.
What it does is it amplifieswhat I like the most about move
and that's the unpredictableness of it.
And to be able to like placethis guy here, and then that
guy, they have to try to likeprocess what you're doing.

I had this thought that they released this
card, ISN thought it's, they'redoing good idea.
It's a cool idea, but they'relike, Hey, we got this new card.
It's Beyonce.
And it's like, and as you playit, it does that New York song
is that Beyonce, by the way, New

Cozy Snap (39:41):
York.
I hate you.
I thought this was a great ideaand you hit me with that.
Why I, it's a little, yousaying?
I'm just saying what if the cardwas signed?
I don't dunno what I would do onthe locations, put five in one
and then I come up with what Ithought was okay.
And then you said Beyonce,

you basically No, you said, I'm gonna, I want
Legion in New York is what yousaid.
Okay.
I'll give you credit.
Your idea's.
Good.
I just think they should, thecard should be called Beyonce
and it should sing the song.
I don't even know if Beyoncesings that song.
This is okay.
This is one of those momentswhere people are gonna tilt up,
be like, I can't believe Alexconfused Beyonce with whoever.
And this is, I'm gonna beembarrassed.

(40:18):
And it's you.
It's not, I don know better.
You guys think I do?
I don't know better.
I'm sorry.
It's not Beyonce.
I'm

Cozy Snap (40:23):
99% sure it's Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z, and
then it's Alicia Keys.

Wait, that's their daughter?

Cozy Snap (40:29):
No.
What the hell?
No.

Okay, now I'm really confused.
I don't know.
Listen, so Alicia Keys isBeyonce's daughter.

Cozy Snap (40:37):
How did you get there?
No, I said it's Beyonce's.
And are these working?
It's Beyonce's your propertyhusband.
Okay.
Jay-Z.
You know who that is?
I've heard of Jay-Z before.
Yeah he did the thing in

Lincoln Park.

Cozy Snap (40:50):
He did the thing with Lincoln Boy, like that's who
Jay-Z is to you.
Oh, you're the most white man.
I know, bro.
He did.
Yeah, he did.
But he did like way more thanthat back in the day.
Now he's in Muddy water.
You know

what, I'm confusing.
Jay-Z and Ludicrous, because Iwas gonna say he does.
He does like the BIT get out ofthe way song.
That's ludicrous.
Who do you fastest think thefastest three most important

Cozy Snap (41:10):
rappers are at all times.
For all times.
Who do I think are the threemost important

rappers of all times?
Eminem DMX Ice cube.

Cozy Snap (41:20):
Ice cube.
Ice cube's a stretch.
So Matt state of snap.
Listen.
All right.
State of snap.
Where are we at with the stateof Marvel Snap Right now, if we
were to talk about, so garbagegood grade or goaded, we're snap
right now.

Don't do this to me.

Cozy Snap (41:38):
No.

Don't put this on me.

Cozy Snap (41:40):
I'm gonna put it right on you.

Why?
You gotta make me do this.

Cozy Snap (41:42):
I'm gonna put it on you.

You go first.
Where do you think it is?
Come on, man.
It's good because it's, it's notgoated, it's not goated.
No, it's good.
I don't think it's great.

Cozy Snap (41:51):
No, it's good.
It's

gonna be between now and great now.
It's definitely not

Cozy Snap (41:53):
garbage.
It's definitely between grid andschemes a good it's between grid
and Great right now.
For sure.
I think the really where itcomes down to is you like, the
core experience is great.
The cards are great, thegameplay is great, and that's
always gonna stay the same.
Like I think we can all agree onthat.
I we wouldn't be, there'd be noreason for us to continue this
podcast if we didn't thoroughlyenjoy the game.
Still, to me the thing that Ijust can't wrap my head around

(42:15):
is, just the commitment to, tobringing newness to it.
Like I feel like it's justoutside of the cars.
It's been stalled there.
And it's obvious.
It's years into it now, and I'veplayed mobile game.
It's just, it's a mobile game atthe end of the day.
I think that's what it's amobile game and now that we've
kind moved on from that's whatit is.
It never read anything else.
That's what Snap is like.
It is a great game or it is amobile game.

(42:36):
It's that's what it is.

It's a phenomenal game, and I'm
concerned.
There's a couple things I'mconcerned about.
The first thing is, like youmentioned, the cards do bring a
lot of like pulse to the game,and that's Glen, and I wonder
like what if Glen moves on?
Then what, like then what, likeI, I'm serious, like it sounds
like a joke and I'm not tryingto just pump Glen's ego.
Like I, I do highly respect Glena lot and I think that he's well

(42:59):
respected even in the magiccommunity.
Glen's the, one of the absolutegoaded people in car games.
If Glen's or if they're like,you know what, we're gonna go
into cruise control and Glen'sno longer part of Snap.
I'm concerned for that day, man,like I actually am.
But I think that what they needto really do to correct course
here is obviously the snap hackswas good, but I think that they,

(43:19):
we need legitimate improvementsto the game modes.
We need, we just need to feellike there's love and care and
attention going to the end, intothe game.
The SNAP team's obviouslyincredibly talented and I'm
actually super looking forwardto what they release next.
Like whatever their new game is,there's rumors they're working
on something.
I'm sure they are of course, butit's gonna be an absolute
banger.

(43:39):
But they have an absolute bangerhere with a community that like
it's been two and a half years

Cozy Snap (43:44):
they've been working on something.
There's definitely, they've beenworking on something for two and
half years.
I can confirm that a hundredpercent.
That's what they're doing.
I dunno the status of the game.
I don't even know what thegame's about.
If someone were to ask youalright.
I started Snap, I played thefirst two months of release.
I'm coming back.
What has come out since launchin Snap, outside of the cards,

basically Conquest mode, which I don't
touch unless the variant is anabsolute background.
Like the mega of Sonic was thatfirst

Cozy Snap (44:08):
comes to mind.
I know there's more stuff, butfirst comes to this three years
worth of content in this kit.
Three years,

Card Mastery, which I'm not a huge fan of.
I think your point's beingproven here.
Like I'm struggling here.
Is there like, am I missingsomething?
Of course I'm missing something.
I'm

Cozy Snap (44:21):
not saying, I'm not saying this to be like negative
Nancy.
It's just this is no, I knowyou.
This is where it's just likewhat has come out.
Okay.
And I can list some things like,bam, here we go.
Albums, What was that thing thatcame out?
Alliances one

of the most underutilized features in the
entire game.

Cozy Snap (44:35):
Temporary game modes.
Okay.

Okay.
No, actually, I will say thetemporary game modes, for the
most part are a nice pulse ofevery Exactly.
But you didn't think about'emright away,

Cozy Snap (44:42):
and you play every day.
And it's still cool to see howgreat of a community this game
has.
And like I, I love it.
I'm so grateful to how greatthis game still is and that we
make content on it.
I think it's always you knowwhat it feels like to me, bro,
it feels whenever you have areally good roster on a sports
team, actually, dude, this gonnahit home with you with the
leaves.
But like the Patriots, if likewe had a really good roster and
we didn't win the playoffs, orwe didn't like we, we fell short

(45:05):
of our expectations, I'd belike.
Damnit, look what we had.
Look at.
We had that.
We could've done it.
And then it's too late.
It doesn't matter.
It was too late at this point.
But look what we did have, andso it's that's where I feel like
I still love the Patriots, butman, we didn't win that year or
whatever.
And it feels like there's twoyears that Snap could've, really
ran home with some cool stuffand just did it.
Where do I see, I think thisgame's gonna be around for a

(45:26):
very long time.
I, I still.
Stand by that.
I still think it's yeah, I stillthink it's, the best digital
game to play.
Pokemon Pocket did 1 billion inrevenue, so I, it definitely is
not making the most or anything,but it's still a very great game
in, in that, I.
Ecosphere different games,different strokes for different
folks.
But that I, does that makesense?
Is that fault?
And this is not like a doom andgloom conversation.

(45:47):
I think it's more just like atwo bros chatting about the game
they love.

No, I know.
And I think that's somethingthat people often miss the mark
on, where it's they give us heapbecause oh, these guys, they
don't love the guy.
I saw comments like that too,and I'm like, man, like the only
reason why we're still here is'cause we do love the game.
True dude.
Yeah.
That's the only reason why we'reI love you more, to be honest
with you, and I'll talk to youabout anything you want.
Marvel Snap can disappear and mydesire to speak to Cozy Snap
will still remain.
But yeah, we do love this gameand when I'm just sitting by

(46:13):
myself, whatever, and I wannaplay something, I boot up Snap
and I don't play meta stuff.
I'll play Silver Surf.
I'll do whatever.
I find my way to enjoy the game.
I, and I think that most peoplehave to do that.
And, but it, what you're talkingabout I think is so true.
Like when this game released, ifI can go back in time, I
would've flown out to, where,into California, wherever that
they're from.
And I'd say guys, hire someonefor organized play.

(46:35):
Hire an organized play manager.
Get the scene going.
Now let's get an X expontournament, the iron Todd, man,
let's get

Cozy Snap (46:41):
the Avengers only tournament everybody in right
now.
Let's Yeah, exactly.
Build the base behind it.
Let's get, creators involvedwhere you can and do what you
can There.
And regardless let's make it,oh, hey, 80% of the game's
casual.
Hell yeah.
Let's lean into these things,right?
That can make it fun for forcasual play to so I, I think
that the ceiling was built thereand that's where they went, with

(47:01):
it.
The game is incrediblysuccessful.
Ben Broad will always be agenius in my eyes.
I will talk if I'm ever on astage one day I will credit him
for just the genius that he is.
But yeah, so that's thethoughts.
I, so like, where can it go fromhere?
What can change?
It's okay, so they're trying todo more tournament stuff.
Awesome.
That's gonna take some time.
But I think that would help ifthey go that direction.

(47:22):
We'll stand by it.
And the one thing they havegoing is the new cards are
always good, right?
And just like rifles brings newheroes, those are gonna hit, new
cards are gonna hit period.
They're gonna hit, they're gonnado good.
But it's, the stuff around it.
So excited to see the potential,what they could bring.
And hopefully they bring it,buddy.

I agree.
I I'm.
Cautiously optimistic for thefuture.
I would like to see some majorchanges and I hope they deliver
on it.
I do.

Cozy Snap (47:44):
You know what?
I think the being cautiouslyoptimistic is great.
What I wanna do is ask the com,we get one thing we get awesome
on the Snapchat is insanely goodcomments.
I.
What do you, so like guys, isSnap being just a casual game
what you want?
Awesome.
Because I would agree.
I think that's fine.
I think that's how I would wantas someone who wasn't making
content.
Do you want Snap to, what do youwant the most from Snap Period?

(48:09):
I just wanna know I would loveto know what you want the most
from Snap putting down below.
Maybe we'll talk about it at theweek to follow.

Cozy.
I gotta tell you, man, it's beenan interesting week in Marvel
stuff.
No it hasn't.
I Elixir came out and I knowthat we always talk about
alright guys, like we don't wantcars to be completely like meta
warping and meta shaking andstuff like that.
But when SRG came out I waslike, yo, I'm actually excited
to play Marvel Snap.
When Esme came out, which was, Iactually at the same time SI was
like, yeah, I'm actually excitedto play some Marvel Snap.
And then Elixir came out and Iwas literally streaming playing

(48:37):
this card.
And you know what I wanted todo?
Anything else?
Anything else?
Then play this absolute dogfecal card.
Dude, I'm telling you right now,this might be one of the worst
cards I've ever released and notworse in, in the case of oh,
martyr actually actively makesyou lose the game.
This is a card that like, bro,like why, like, why release
this?
This card is so dog shit that Iadamantly recommend that you

(49:01):
dodge it.
Do not get this card, do not goforward at all.
It is so unbelievably bad.
It's just, I don't know, man isthat my review?
44% win rate, 5% popularity,negative 0.3, three cube, almost
half of a cube gone every singletime.
You even attempt completely tome,

Cozy Snap (49:17):
way too many restrictions, bro.
Who was the last anytime we getnext turn and last turn and
stuff, typically it's so likewar machine.
Before he got his thing was the,you can move cards.
The next turn, then nothing canchange.
It sucked because it's solimiting.
And this is the same thing.
It's like it just doesn't work.
It's crap elixir.
We knew it.
We knew he was gonna be bad.
At least we nailed it.

(49:37):
But yeah, this is definitelyjust this is like opening up a
physical card pack and pullinglike a football card when you
opened up magic cards.
It's just like what?
We do nothing with this.
So I yeah man.
I think we could both safely saywolf just, ugh, hated him.

Yeah.
This card is like when you openup a pack of cards and not even
like a token, like you know whenyou get a token and magically
sometimes some card games, youopen up a card pack and inside
will be like a thank you foropening.
Here's a treasure card.
And you like, you're like.
And you just throw it out or youjust fold it in half and throw
it in the garbage or somethinglike that.
That's basically what it is.
Elixir's so bad.
I don't even want to talk moreabout it.

(50:15):
It's just, it's absolutegarbage.
It's probably gonna, no, here'sthe fun, fun fact.
It's gonna get buffed.
It's gonna be like buffed to thepoint where it's like they got
rid of the last turn restrictionand then it's gonna go
absolutely insane and everyone'sgonna wish they had it.
Then they're gonna get mad at usfor saying it was bad.
They're definitely gonna offerbuffet it.

Cozy Snap (50:30):
That's the only thing about getting it is you know,
they're gonna do something tothis card.
They're definitely gonna buffthis card.
No, there's no way They don't.

And there's also Kid Omega, like you
actually talked about it atlength, right?
Last week, where like really,this is probably a kid Omega
card.
Yeah.
And when that card comes out,there's a chance there's an
opportunity for them to betested together.
I almost wish that if they'regonna do the Kid Omega thing
during a, like a weekly event orlike a game mode or whatever,
should have released Elixirthen.

(50:57):
He doesn't look, release him atthe same time, so at least we
can test it or something likethat.
Because as it stands right now,like I, I don't even wanna talk
about the card, so I'm good tomove on.
But actually on that note, thereis something I wanna talk about.
It's unrelated to Snap, but Ijust gotta bring it up.
I just gotta bring it up.
Okay.
I don't know if you'veexperienced this yet or anybody
that's, listen, this is for youguys too.
'cause I need to know if youguys have seen this so cozy.

(51:18):
Your family's very young, so youhaven't quite had the Oh, my
kid's in school and all thestuff other kids are saying or
like influencing what they sayand how they speak.

Cozy Snap (51:27):
No, I dread that.
You

haven't figured that out yet.
No.
Or you Not that you haven'tfigured out.
You haven't experienced thatyet.
Let me just tell you a quicklittle story.
So I came home the other day.
And both my, like young, so Ihave three sons and a daughter.
My daughter's like on her iPad,like she's doing something.
The two middle ones.
So they're six and three.
They're running around andthey're like screaming
mozzarella, cappuccino, precipast, like she's, they're

(51:50):
screaming all this stuff and I'mlike,

Cozy Snap (51:52):
this kid, what?
The TikTok kid?
The short skid.

I'm like, what?
And then so it has be, my wife'swhat?
I'm like, why are they yellingall this Italian garbage?
My wife's oh, that's just theItalian brain rot.
She's that'll be gone in a week.
And I'm like, what?
What?
What are you talking about?
And she's oh, there's thisthing.
All the kids everywhere.
Even in my school, she's ajunior kindergarten teacher.
She's like, all the kids arerunning around just yelling
Italian nonsense.
It's like the new cool thing.

Cozy Snap (52:16):
No, there's a short, there's like a kid that blew up.
My wife showed it to me.
I don't understand this, I don'tknow the source material.
My east toast.
And like when I met my wife orI'm from the south, I was like,
Hey would you like to go, maybeget like an espresso.
She's oh yeah, a little, somecoffee.
I'm like, whoa.
What did you just say?
What?
So like this kid goes on thereand he's it's not mozzarella.
It's mozzarella.
And here's one thing that like.

(52:36):
I don't wash shorts.
I don't wa I don't watch orconsume TikTok or anything like
that.
And it's not'cause I think I'mbetter than you just'cause
again, I avoid things that Iknow I'll be addicted to
heavily.
And I know like once or twiceI'll get, I like, oh, YouTube
shorts and then I'm on there 30minutes.
I'm like, Nope, nope.
Devil, go away.
Go away devil.
So this kid blew up, my wifeshowed him to me and he like

(52:57):
just, he's it's not mozzarella.
It's mozzarella.
And like he, he does this, heblew up overnight.
He has, this guy has made morefollowers and money than both of
us have in our entire career.

That's a good thing.
That's, you know what, that, itjust, it reassures me so greatly
to know that this Italian brainrock kid has popped off harder
than years of our hard work orexpertise.
You know what?
Honest, honestly, that's theinternet, man.
I'm not even mad.
You might think I'm mad.
I'm not.
It's, this is what I expect tohappen, bro.
You know what I wanna show you.
I hope you put on a clip of thatthat that Pokemon Go everyday

(53:30):
kid.
'cause that's another kid thatblew up for all the right
reasons.
I hope you pull somethingawesome here.
It don't be too long because Idon't wanna edit this.

Cozy Snap (53:37):
My mother-in-law, it does she helps people with like
garage sales and stuff, like tagsales and things that they call
'em with her.
And she's she hit me up.
She's did you play yugi as akid?
I'm like I dabbled.
I dabble a little bit.
I dabbled in you, Neil, andshe's I found this entire binder
that's in pristine condition.
Do you want it?
And I was like, first of all,the answer's always yes.
Like the answer's never.
Yes.
Yeah, always.
Oh, always.
I sleeved him.
What did I put'em over there,bro.

(53:58):
This baby had it's every OG likeperfectly done.
Every OG Yugi card in primecondition.
First of all, this thing's worththousands of dollars, which is
just dope, but I'm not gettingrid of it.
But look, I got got my darkmagician in there.
I got blue eyes.
Whoa, bro.
I got, that's awesome bro.
It's a whole binder full of allthe OGs.

(54:21):
And what's awesome is I had, Ijust finished my collection of
all the Pokemon and this Judy,it had all the Zos guys, my
friends out there.
It had all, it had a pot ofgreen.
Anyway, I thought that wasreally dope and it was fun to,
it was so cool to go blast tothe past.
And you know what else is fun isseeing every card game did stuff
to like cereal and like stampwhen it was made, where it was

(54:45):
from and everything.
And like I learned about Yugo,it's got this little seal at the
bottom.
Is it silver?
Is a grays and then it's got aserial code.
Oh, there's a movie release,bro.
I've learned it all and now I'mlike in memory lane of Yuki over
here.

I actually did not play much Yugi.
I played the digital client alittle bit, but actual classic
yugi I had not played much of.
But this story reminds me of thestories that you'll hear every
once in a while, like once ayear, there's always someone on
like Reddit or something that'sI.
Was at a garage sale and sawthis for$3 and it's an OG case
of like magic, the gathering.

(55:17):
Like seven, seven.
Oh yeah.
Always.
It's crazy.
Some lady came out oh, this wasmy, second husband's card box
and I don't know what's in it,but if you got three bucks, it's
it's worth.
That 400 grand.
It's that kind of stuff happens.
Oh, also, by the way, everyonewho's here for Marvel Snap
content in shambles, I can'twait to see the guy.
Do you know there's that one guywho for some reason I'm not

(55:38):
banned from the channel yet,that really gets mad.
Every single time.
We're every time talking aboutMarvel Snap.

Cozy Snap (55:42):
I'm just like knocking a talk about it.
These are all my magic cards I'mtrying to find, coach's

no, I wanna keep talking

Cozy Snap (55:46):
about magic.
No, bro.
You know what I was trying tofind is I also, in this exact
binder, it was at the very end,there's this Misty card, Misty
from Pokemon, but Japanese.
And I was like, why is this inhere?
And it was like in a little likecase, a special case.
My buddy told me that thiscard's worth a lot of money.
And I'm like, why?
It's'cause Misty doesn't haveany clothes on it, but it's
shadowed.
So they didn't release it in theus So now I have some rare piece

(56:10):
of.
And then also, I have a GRR cardin here too.
Alright.
You know who Grr is?
Does that hit you at all withthe Pokemon?
Yeah.
Yeah, the little, yeah.
Yeah.
He's like the, he's he turnsinto muck.
Yeah.
So there's another one wherehe's in a sewer looking up.
He's like that card's worth alot of money.
And I was like, why?
Because there's a girl with askirt and it looks like he's

(56:30):
looking up the skirt.
This is what people pay for.

And I'm glad you saved the HEI conversation
For my side of Snapchat,

Cozy Snap (56:37):
it's.
It's more, I just thought thiswas unique stuff.
I have two Japanese cards.
They are for sale.
No.
I dunno what I'm gonna do withthese.
Yeah, there's all yugi cards.
And then this one guy's body whojust had this, I was like, what
is this?
So anyway, I thought that wascool.

They should do a cozy variant of this grandma
where all the cards that arefloating in the air are like,
it's like the grr like sewer oneand like the misty nude one and
stuff like that.
That's, it's so unfortunate,cozy that this had, this
conversation had to happen here.
Cozy.
We gotta talk about the bestcards in Marvel Snap that no one
is playing.
Now what we did here was wewanna take a look at cards that

(57:14):
have very high win rates.
Surprisingly high win rates, butvery low play rates.
And some of these will surpriseyou.
Like we might bring up a card ortwo.
You're like, Alex, I.
We thought, I think everyone'splaying that, but it's no,
actually, statistically they'renot.
It's just been a very good deckthat maybe no one's playing, but
there's also some absolutebangers in here, individual
cards that have incredibly highwin rates that are seeing no

(57:35):
play.
So I'm gonna start off with abit of a fun one here, a very
fun one.
It's not that fun.
Ever since the change to SamWilson, Cole Obsidian has had
one of the absolute lowest playrates in Marvel Snap, and yet
disproportionately one of thebetter.
Win rates.
It has a 53% win rate across allgames post infinite and less

(57:58):
than a single percentage ofplay.
And this was a card that wasdominated with the Sam Wilson
synergy because the Shield was aplace for you to play co
obsidian.
This card has since completelydisappeared, even though Thanos
is everywhere, and if you'replaying Thanos, cold City is an
easy 10 power to put down.
So I ask you, cozy, why aren'twe playing Ian?

Cozy Snap (58:18):
That's the question.
Dude, I don't know.
I feel like once he was removedfrom the Sam Wilson thing,
everyone's like, all right, I'mdone.
It's like copycat was stillgood, but people just didn't
wanna play it after they theytainted her.
I don't know.
I always love this conversation'cause I feel like it's oh, I
should just be playing thesecards more, but am I gonna play
more cool after this?
I don't know.
Maybe, probably not.
But why?
Is it because of the conditionarea?
Is it just because it can feelbad but not often?

It's true.
In theory, the strange Supremeis giving the suck to all the
stones, and so Culp City mightlose an opportunity to be able
to play somewhere.
And then the other version ofThanos is going to be the
ongoing card version, and CulpCity does not fit in that.
So maybe that is a factor thereand goes, you wanna throw one
more at you?
This one even has a higherpercent win rate, but it has

(59:03):
slightly more play rate at 3%.
The win rate is 54 point half,almost 55%.
And this is Man thing.
It's one of the highestpercentage win rate cards in
Marvel Snap, largely due to thepopularity of Thanos ncs, only
3% of play.
Are you kidding me?
That's, this card is incredibleright now.

Cozy Snap (59:21):
That's insane.
That's crazy actually.
I don't think I knew.
Especially when you get thatwith a card that has the
punishment that you can havewith something like Maning.
That's crazy.
We don't see affliction cardsever get super high in win rates
because of that.
Which means the people that areplaying it are just good
players.
And it also means that if youare knowing what you're doing
with it, it punishes.
Yeah.
They openly talked about Thanoson a question and answers.

(59:43):
Glenn addressed it.
He's no, we're not gonna doanything right now.
'cause there's plenty of stuffto hard counter it at the
moment.
And we think it's in a fineplace and obviously it is
affliction and what that canpull off.
That, that blew my mind.
Question for you.
Have you been playing so onlately?
No, I've not, I feel like so onis one of those that they
changed.
Everyone was like, yeah, this isawesome.
And then we didn't hear Boo.

(01:00:06):
I didn't play it much after andit, but it was doing

Alexander Coccia (01:00:08):
well, dude, I'm so glad you brought up so
on, because it's currentlyrunning the second highest win
rate in Marvel Snap as anindividual card, according to
untapped post infinite statsonly at 54.8%.
That's its win rate.
And its play rate is 1.5%.
That's

Cozy Snap (01:00:26):
crazy.
1%.
That's wild man.
Elixir had 5%.

I know.
That's'cause it's Elixir Weekand everyone's I got this card.
Let's cope.
Let's cope and hope together.
But no, Saron is legit.
One of the absolute poster.
Boy, I honestly, should I putSAR on the thumbnail?
Yes.
I think I gotta put SAR on the,put him on almost a 55% win rate
at 1% play rate.
Second best statistical card inthe game according to untapped

(01:00:52):
1% play rate.
And meanwhile, cards like SamWilson are almost 30% still
right.
And it has a almost 5% lower, 4%lower win rate.
It's like just above 50 rangeish.
That's mind blowing.
Crazy.
Yeah, absolutely.
Mind blowing.
So I love that call out and ifwe're talking about the second
best, do you actually want toknow what the highest win rate
card of Marvel Snap is?

(01:01:12):
Right now withdisproportionately the lowest
play rate hit me.
It's Abomination.
Abomination, believe it or not,according to one Tap is running
a flat 55% win rate and onlysees 3% play.
Now, the way that Abominationscurrently being played is there
is a high evolutionary toxicshell, which is crushing Thanos
list.

(01:01:33):
And what they do is theybasically put a ton of blanket
power on the board.
You'll get a an abomination forfree.
Perhaps you're playing man thingin that deck as well, and then
you slam an Ajax or whatever andyou're literally playing Evo for
just abomination.
The EVO package is Evo andAbomination, just those two.
Nothing else.
Just to get that freeabomination as a slam down 55%,

(01:01:54):
that's its win rate, 3% play.

Cozy Snap (01:01:56):
Goodness.
That's crazy.
I.
First of all, it's so funny tothink that you could play
Abomination Knot in that deck.
What is he gonna do?
But also yeah, dude, that wasalways like, abomination was
always the card that was like sofascinating.
Even back when they released HiEvo, and we tried to make him
work.
We thought like he's just gonnago really crazy.
But now there's been so much toenable him.
I'm shocked by that.
I'm more shocked by 1% on Soran,I'll be honest.

(01:02:17):
But I'm shocked by abominationbeing the top.

Yeah, what surprised me about the
abomination is that like it's,you wouldn't think that it's
good enough.
You can get stature almost free.
Stature obviously is like notquite as powerful or as free as
abomination can be.
But is a zero nine really thatimpactful?
The answer is yes, like it is azero.
Nine is in crazy impactful,especially when you're doing all
that negative synergy andnegative impact on the

(01:02:41):
opponent's board.
So it is crazy what it's doingand yes, just like Sauron is
completely off the metal rightnow, considering how good it is.
And it did just get a powerinjection not only with Star
brand, but obviously the changeof cost to eron from a three to
a two, which is absolutely huge.
Now Cozy.
Another card that we need totalk about, and it's similar to
Sauron, where I was like, it wasa bit of a flavor of the month

(01:03:02):
and it got nerfed very heavily.
Guys, it's Serer running a 54.6%win rate and a identical 1.5%
play rate to Sauron.
So another card with a very highwin rate, but almost little play
cer, what are your thoughts?
Cozy.
Good.

Cozy Snap (01:03:22):
Like I feel like he was all over the place for so
long that it's like something Ididn't want to see for a while.
And we, I really don't even feellike we were that far removed
from that, like that was only acouple months ago at this point.
It's already almost June, whichis freaking wild.
But I feel like.
If you're gonna play it.
It's a stupid good, strong cardstill.
Like it's still, it's so funny'cause it's one of those that

(01:03:43):
even though it got hit ninetimes in an OTA, like it's still
just based value, insanelystrong and will always continue
to get strong as we continue toget more cars that can do great
effects of great power.
What was the popularity again?

1.5% cozy, identical to Saron.

Cozy Snap (01:03:59):
Yeah.
That's wild.
That's actually considered, it'sprobably like 30% all a few
months back.
Yeah.

And it surprises me too,'cause very
similar to Thanos, like thestatement you said Glen had
made, I felt like Serer had lotsof counters.
Like you could punch this cardout, you could shadow King it
like there was a lot of answers.
It was just everything else.
And I think what ultimately hurtit was the change to Scar going
to a Seven Power and Act thing.
But we haven't seen the Scarhella stuff anymore.
I know that's interesting.
I know dude,

Cozy Snap (01:04:23):
scar, the scar, Hey day was fun because Scar was
like.
That was crazy.
Scar had combine everything.
You know what's wild is howpopular Mobius has become too.
Like just with yeah.
Having to like have to have himnow.
Not have to, but like just, heis way stronger than he was even
just six months ago.

Moby's and Moby, is that Yeah.
'cause first of all, I thinkEsme is good, but also even
small things like getting Thanosto five cost with the time
stone, that, that's a reallygood five power play.
Especially when you havesomething like a soul stone on
the board and like now Thanos isindestructible.
Yep.
You have, you can play'emanywhere.
That is a really good play onfive Doesn't surprise me.
A card that's seeing absolutelyno play.
By the way, shadow Tomoto, didyou guys forget that card

(01:05:00):
existed?
That's a damn shame.
Cozy.
Is there a card that you want tothrow our way?

Cozy Snap (01:05:04):
Alex?
I'm gonna say the card that wealready talked about a bit on my
side, Zorn is scream.
They have addressed this card.
A ton, but it only has a 5.5%play rate, which seems extremely
low considering this thing isstill one of the most annoying
and just insanely disruptive,great cards within Snap and

(01:05:26):
enables, and there's so much toplay around it now, why?
Why is that such a low playrate?

It's funny 'cause I just literally did my
meta overview video and screamwas once again, number one.
Number one, and it was the silkhy hydration Stomper variation.
And yeah, you're right, it'srunning a 54% win rate.
Basically it's 53.8 according toone tap, but a 50 point, a 5.5%
play rate.
That's way too low.
Imagine if the best deck in thegame is only running a 5% play

(01:05:54):
rate, like that's actuallyinsane.
It's a bit of a statisticaloutlier in the sense that yo,
this deck is phenomenal.
Yet, only 5% of people wannaplay.
Meanwhile, Thanos, everyonewants to play Thanos for some
reason.
And the card is significantlyweaker compared to The Strange.
Supreme is not putting upnumbers like scream as Yeah,
it's wild.
It's like at 51% or somethinglike that.
Like it's not nearly as high asscreams because it's more one

(01:06:16):
dimensional.
Like

Cozy Snap (01:06:17):
what?
What is it that, is it just moreone dimensional?
So it's not as, it might just

be the new hotness, like people don't wanna
play Scream'cause it's not hotanymore.
There's just new fancy stuff toplay.
Why would you play Scream.
When you can play search, youcan probably place them
together, honestly.

Cozy Snap (01:06:32):
Yeah, fair enough.
And that's why it's I think thatpeople get caught up with like
new cards, new meta.
It's like you could still playstuff that was just out not long
ago and it still dominates.

And there's a couple other cards I think that
are worth mentioning here.
Now the next one we're gonnabring up from a win rate
perspective is phenomenal at a53.8% win rate, but it offers
only a 4% play rate, and that'sAjax.
Now in the case of Ajax, what Ithink is actually happening here
is that I think this is aresource scarcity issue.
People have very often notwanted to invest in something

(01:07:02):
like an Ajax, despite the factthat it has been consistently
one of the top performers.
We actually recently this pastweek had a non Ajax affliction
deck running Malkuth doing apretty good job because of the
prevalence of Thanos.
But overall, Ajax has beentremendous, but like those
decks, despite their win rateshave never penetrated the meta
from a popularity standpoint,because I think that a lot of

(01:07:23):
people had, like Ajax was one ofthe cards we lose in spotlights.
We were supposed to get Ajax ina spotlight.
But then the spotlightdisappeared in favor of the
snapbacks.

Cozy Snap (01:07:33):
I think it's, I think honestly it has to do with just
the same thing with moveaffliction can be scary to mess
with.
And I think that at the end ofthe day, and what you just said,
like getting all the stuffneeded for it, which is also
move, like move gets better, themore stuff that you can help
with it.
And so both these are likereally strong archetypes that
aren't strong until you reallypower it up.
And at that point you areinvesting in one thing.

(01:07:54):
And we just talked about it lastweek where it's like.
That can do multiple things iswhat's important and to invest
in.
And so that's probably thereason behind it.
But it is wild considering howlong it's been dominant.

Yeah.
And a special shout out here toclose out the conversation on
Gorgen, who's running a nearly53% win rate at only 3%
popularity.
If you don't like Thanos and youdon't like created cards, Gor is
a good option and it isstatistically doing pretty well.
Cozy, just like.
The plethora of questions wereceived for our Snapchat

(01:08:28):
mailbag, my friend.
We got a lot of, listen, therewere so many comments.
I.
About the about the look back,the way back.
Look back that we did.
And I have a couple.
So the first comment here isactually a collection of them.
Kerman said, by far the mostI've ever laughed at a Snapchat
episode, these takes werehilarious, followed by Kid

(01:08:49):
Ghost, who said at 42 minutes,Alex, that turn four Iron Man
turn five Zola segment had meliterally in tears.
Evan laughed this hard watchingSnapchat in ages.
With the Afro Fluff, longtimesupporter of our content,
saying, Alex hitting the OhHumanity pose every time his
past self said some insanetakes.

(01:09:09):
Cozy.
I want to say, first of all, notonly do about Alex Love
tremendous.
Yeah, A lot of, yeah, you'refunny.
Yeah.
A lot of fun and a lot of lovefor that thing.
But I want to also say cozy thatthe people don't know how much
extra work you had to do.
To even get that segment going.
Do you want to talk about the,this plethora of overcome, I'm

(01:09:30):
trying to forget it.
Overcome.
I'm trying to

Cozy Snap (01:09:31):
forget it.
All of the reaction stuff, guyslost the audio.
All of it.
So not us, but the stuff we werewatching.
So how, Hey, how do you fixthat?
You have to replay it at theexact spot.
Oh wait.
But we stopped and paused itmultiple times.
Hours.
Hours of work.
5, 6, 7 hours to get that thingout.
It was great.
All nighter.
Can't I just.

(01:09:51):
I wanna move on.
But I will say this, I rewatchedit, bro.
Multiple times.
I was cackling bro.
Cackling, rewatching that entirebit.
And I think the most fun thingabout it, and if we do that
again, is that we just pulled uprandom stuff and we just kinda
let it play.
And that was so fun.
'cause we had no idea what toexpect.
And just like the confidencethat we had in our prior takes,

(01:10:12):
like the whole thing was funny.
But I, man, I left so hard.
Did you play the Shauna deck?

No I actually started building it though, and
it doesn't look that

Cozy Snap (01:10:22):
bad.
Voa.
Turn three.
Ironman turn five Zola or fourZola.
Five.
Shauna.
Six

Checkmate.
Boom.
With squirrel girl.
Yeah, check.

Cozy Snap (01:10:34):
Easy dubs, eight cubes, Zeck, as you described
it.

Yeah.
But honestly, that, that wholesegment was a ton of fun.
And even just getting a chanceto look back at our formal
former selves was absolutelygreat.
And then, man, the amount ofcomments we received about this
topic as well.
And rest assured friends, nospoilers ahead, Royal Nerd
Gaming, said, I can't believeAlex stopped playing exactly
where he did in Expedition 33.
I will say no more and cozy.

(01:11:00):
I will say that Expedition 33, Ihave since passed that part.
Absolutely mind blowing turn ofevents in that game.
It continues to be one of myabsolute favorite games I've
ever played in the very longtime.
Gets my absolute most incrediblerecommendation I can give and I
continue to play it.
I'm progressing pretty far.
I almost wish I could, we coulddo, we should do like a spoiler

(01:11:22):
cast where we just talk fullyabout Expedition 33.
That was one of it's just sogood.
That

Cozy Snap (01:11:26):
was one comment of I, there's a thousand more in there
about it.
About just how people areusually like, talk about Marvel
snap.
What are you doing?
80% of the comments where peopleare just like, preach.
Yes, goaded.
And I love that.
It is, it's absolutely great.
If you haven't played it by now,what are you doing?

You know what, I had this thought as well with
regards to Expedition 33.
So there's a moment in it.
I'll just say there's a momentunder a tree, right?
For those that have played itwhere I felt so connected to the
characters and I had notexperienced that in a long time.
And I think that, like I thoughtback to my earlier self years
and years ago, I hadn't feltthat way since I played mass

(01:12:04):
effect three.
I remember playing Mass Effectthree in that same emotion that
I got playing that game.
I finally felt for the firsttime since then in Expedition
33, and I was like, I forgot Icould even feel this way while
playing a game.
I think that as we grow up, likeour ability to suspend our
disbelief and allow ourselves toget fully drawn into a game

(01:12:26):
world.
I think that like we almostforget to do that sometimes.
I don't know if I have, or ifanybody else does this.
That's what say last week.

Cozy Snap (01:12:32):
You're catching up.
Yeah.
To what I was saying last week.
'cause you're just now gettingto where I was hoping you would
get to.
What I put in a nutshell, bro,is I said I don't even hate game
stories.
Like I think there's times whereI'm like, I'm not invested in
stories.
It's no story making sucks ingames.
I think 80% of stuff is slumpand 20% maybe even that, maybe
10% is truly insane.
This was the 1% like this story.

(01:12:55):
It changed my view, it's thesame as like how movies used to
hit so much harder and thenyou're just like, oh, a lot of
movies now just suck.
But then it's like you look backlike inception and they're like,
whoa.
So I'm so glad.
And what I love is I know whereyou are and you still nowhere.
So I, we'll reserve it becausewe, I can't wait to talk to you
when you We do, you know what,we're just gonna do a full

(01:13:16):
spoiler.
A full spoiler thing on thisgame.
'cause I need to hear likethings you've thought, choices,
you made all of it.

Okay.
That's good.
Maybe we'll have to put that putthat on the the agenda for some
other conversation as we go toour next to topic of, I almost
don't wanna bring this up, butI'm going to because it came up
last week Matt saying, I knowall Leaf fans expected to lose,
but it, did it surprise you toget stomped out like that?
Cozy.
You even messaged me duringperiod three.
It was like, man, woof.

(01:13:45):
I was like, they were down likesix, nothing or something like
that whole

Cozy Snap (01:13:48):
thing disappoint, and I was doing something.
I'm like, oh, I wonder how theleads are going.
I was like.
If it helps though, the Panthersare doing good.
Right now they're still crushingit.
How dare

you

Cozy Snap (01:13:56):
Don't even bring it up.
I wasn't talking about No, itdoesn't.
No.
The hurt goes down 10% when youlose the champions though.
So you now you need to be thebiggest Panthers fans.
Like you gotta hope they win itall.

That's very hard.
You want me to cheer for theFlorida Panthers?
I don't know if I can do that.
Like I can do that.
Bitch.
You don't cheer from him.
You're just

Cozy Snap (01:14:13):
like, okay, we lost the chance,

you know what was hilarious by the way?
I was at Costco and as I am allthe time, I was wearing my map
leaf sweater and an employee, Iswear this is a hundred percent
true.
Walked by me.
He was like, yo, he's that's theCostco Maple Leaf sweater.
I'm like, yeah, of course it is.
It was one that Costco carried acouple years ago.
He's great news.
You can return it, buddy.

Cozy Snap (01:14:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought he was gonna say Greatnews is it's 75% off now.
Yeah.
I saw how many games sevens youguys have been in, and it's in
the last.

It's awful, man.
I don't want, I can listen.
Leaf fans should expect nothingand when we get nothing, we're
still disappointed.
Somehow it's, anyways, we gottaclose the snapshot.
And by far one of the mosthilarious things.
There were so many comments onthis.
It's so funny.
Almost all the comments aren'tabout Snap, but one of the
comments, cozy, you made astatement which apparently
flabbergasted so many people.

(01:15:04):
I've chosen two of the commentsto discuss it.
First one comes from JoshuaRichardson, who said, Texas is
not even close to being biggerthan Europe, LOL, and then
followed up by Nerd Robot, whichis a great name, who said the
size of Texas?
Texas is 695,662 kilometerssquared.
The size of Ontario is 800,900,sorry, 892,412 kilometers

(01:15:30):
squared.
However, the population of Texasis 30 31 million.
Population of Ontario is 14million.
The more you know, and thereason why I bring this up cozy
is'cause you had stated thatTexas was larger than Europe.
Yeah, definitely.
Which apparently is not.
I just misspoke.
I was talking about the

Cozy Snap (01:15:44):
United Kingdom how much it destroyed the United
Kingdom.
It's 15 times smaller thanEurope.
Yeah.
Great.
Yeah.
So

people were like, bro, and then what's
interesting is Cozy, I actuallywas like, yeah, okay.
I can see that.
Meanwhile the province ofOntario itself, where I'm from.
Is larger than Texas.
Like it is physically largerthan Texas.
What dos got in Ontario?
Nine of us

Cozy Snap (01:16:05):
know what we're talking about.
Hold on.
Where's Ontario?
Let me bro, I'm looking outOntario.
This is gotta be 99% wasteland.
What is, what's in here out,what's in the northern part?
It's just snow.
It's called the Canadian Shield.
Sir.
What the

hell

Cozy Snap (01:16:17):
is

that?
It's a giant rock.
There's a city Shout out toeveryone from Sudbury, by the
way.
What

Cozy Snap (01:16:23):
does that mean?
This is a giant rock.
Like it's inhabitable, likepeople don't live there.

Not really.
So there's a city calledSudbury.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw up apicture from Sudbury when, like,
when I was there, it's literallybuilt on massive stones, like
the roads, they look likethey've been dynamite through
mountains and stuff like that.
The Costco there is on like aslant, like it's crazy, like
when I say they're built on the,like the side of a mountain.
It's crazy what this place lookslike.

(01:16:47):
So yeah it's madely like stoneand stuff like that, but it just
blew my mind.

Cozy Snap (01:16:51):
Bro, I didn't, I'm, I wanna see what I sag.
I feel like I was spitballingthat I think it's I said it's
very big.
I think I'm getting gaslit by myco-host right now.
Pretty heavily.
No, bro, I'm actually blown awayright now.
Population Ontario is not evenhalf as big as Texas.
And population,

yeah.
Population wise,

Cozy Snap (01:17:09):
I don't, that's

that's important.
Yeah.
But I'm saying the physicallandmass is larger.

Cozy Snap (01:17:13):
Yeah, but there's nothing there.
There's 20% of Texas.
That's nothing.
To be fair, to be very fair, I'mactually looking at a perfect
picture that I'm gonna put onscreen right now that is going
to I gotta go, bro, but I gottashow this.
Hold on.
I need everybody to see this.
Hold on.
Yeah.

We're actually out of time.
Like legitimately out of time inreal life.
Look at this.
There

Cozy Snap (01:17:33):
you go.
Oh, you found an actual pictureof Texas overly on top of
Ontario.
So it's not even that muchsmaller, but then we're double
the people.

You know what, man?
What we should do is someone'sgotta do the math.
Someone did do the math.
Ontario's bigger.
Boom.
Thank you so much for watching,guys.
We appreciate each and every oneof you.
You know what, cozy, you don'tneed to take this down.
Just leave it up.
It's fine.
They don't need to see us.
We love you guys.
We, yeah.
Zoom in cozy.
Zoom in.
Zoom in more.
We love you guys so much.
Thank you for supporting theSnapchat.
Hey, you guys can see me.
Oh, now you can't.

Cozy Snap (01:18:00):
Have a good one.
Have a great one To the nextone.
Have you snapping?

We love you and we'll see you on the next
Marvel Snapchat episode.
You still saluted.

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