Zombie Galacti Apocalypse is Here | Final Verdict on Snap's "Horde" Experiment | The Snap Chat Ep. 154 - The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast

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Alex (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of the
Snapchat.
This week I'm joined by a veryspecial guest, one of my closest
friends in the Marvel Snapscene, and also fellow glasses
wearer Dexter.
Are those blue light filteringglasses I need to know?

Dekkster (00:15):
Uh, no they're not.
They're just normal.
They have, they have noprescription or anything?
My uh, no prescription at

Alex (00:22):
all?

Dekkster (00:23):
No, it's just glass.
But there is glass.
It's zeis glass as well, youknow, zes?
This is, um, my wife made these.

Alex (00:30):
Really?
Yeah, but like, are they justpurely cosmetic?
Like there's no actual reasonfor the, the glasses existing?

Dekkster (00:38):
Yeah, I guess she wanted to test out a new lens.
'cause she was a, she's anoptometrist, so that's it.
That's the whole reason.
There's no blue light filter.

Alex (00:49):
I gotta admit though, they look really good on you.
Thanks.
Yours.
Look good on you too.
You know what I, okay, here's afunny story.
The first time I got theseglasses and I went to put them
on, I was like, oh, Cozy, holdon.
We were about to start recordingthe Snapchat.
I was like, hold on.
I went like this.
He's like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm just, I got thesenew glasses for blue light
filtering.
He's like, you, you gonna wearthose?
I'm like, yeah.
He's like, dude, they're huge.

(01:09):
I'm like, I don't know man.
I just did.
I got them bigger'cause I don'tlike seeing the lens in my field
of view.
Yeah.
He's like, alright.
And now when I'm at like packsor we're at events, people don't
recognize me'cause I'm notwearing my glasses.
It's so funny how it's becomepart of like the brand almost.

Dekkster (01:26):
It is, yeah.
It's definitely a brand.
I mean, it looks good on you.
I don't think I could pull thoseoff, but, uh.
Yeah, you look, it's, yeah, it'slike Superman, Clark Kent sort
of deal.

Alex (01:35):
That's right.
You just can't, it's totallydifferent.
Don't, don't, uh, recognize meat all, but, okay.
Forget about the glasses for asec.
You are about to embark on aninsane journey in your life, my
friend.
Everything's about to change foryou in the upcoming week or so.
Do you wanna break us down as towhat's going on and what might
be changing in the life ofDexter Snap?

Dekkster (01:54):
Yeah, I got a, I got a baby popping out soon.
Is this going live tomorrow?

Alex (01:59):
Yeah, well, uh, a couple days Monday, couple days it'll
be live Monday.
We're recording on Saturday.
We almost never record onSaturday, but today we are.

Dekkster (02:05):
Yeah.
So I'm, uh, 37 weeks pregnant.
And then, uh, you my baby.
You look good for 37

Alex (02:11):
weeks pregnant, dude.

Dekkster (02:12):
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
Uh, ba baby soon.
Um, I've never had one before.
I dunno how much is gonnachange, but I'm like, I'm, I'm
ready, man.
We've been trying for a while,so like, we're, we are, we're
ready.
We got everything set up.

Alex (02:28):
I love that.
I love that so much.
I've never had one before.
It's such a what, fascinatingway to frame the conversation.

Dekkster (02:35):
Yeah.
Well some people are like, oh,it's easy.
The first couple weeks are easy.
Some people are like, oh, it'san absolute nightmare.
I think it just depends on yourRNG if you get like a good baby
or a bad baby, right?
There's definitely baby Rnecessary, for sure.
Necessary.
Not like a bad ba Well, you're,you're a professional.
You keep pumping'em out at thefactory, I think.
But like, sometimes they'reeasy, sometimes they're chill,

(02:55):
right?
Sometimes they're spreading poopon the wall.

Alex (02:58):
I mean, that's just, that's just part of the
experience.
That's just part of theadventure.
Yeah.
But, uh, that's a collectiontrack experience of being a
parent.
So, but what I will say is,yeah, the, the experience is
totally different and each oneof my kids like the delivery
process and, uh, everything wascompletely unique.
I do remember our second, ourson.
He, um, the doctor was like, youknow what he's a little

(03:20):
jaundiced, right?
He's like, I think we need toput him under the lights.
I'm like, what do you mean?
Put him under the lights?
And sure enough, for like 24hours, we sat in a room with him
where he, they gave him likethese, like baby goggles, and he
sat in like a tanning bed tolike, wow.
I guess like, I don't know.
There, there must be an actualmedical reason why this is
necessary, right?
Like, I'm, the way I'mexplaining it is clearly from a

(03:41):
place of complete ignorance, butthey basically give him little,
like, baby goggles that weresunglasses and they sat him
under the lights and whatever,like that stimulation of light
and like the sun would've doneto him, allowed him to like, do
something that babies need todo.
And then they're like, oh, itworked out perfectly.
Now we can go home.
Then you put'em in the littlecar seat and they check to make
sure that you've done the carseat upright and stuff like

(04:02):
that.
Yeah.
It's quite an experience, but I,I will tell you, and all the
parents at home who arelistening are gonna tell you
too, your life is about tochange dramatically.

Dekkster (04:11):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Am I still gonna have time toplay Marvel Snap?
I hope.
No, no.
What do you mean you're hopingSo?
Wait, that's how I make mymoney.
I have to be able to play thegame, man.

Alex (04:22):
No, no, you will.
It, things do change though,right?
Like, it's just, um, you'll haveto, you'll have to learn and you
will do this.
Like, you'll just have to learnhow to schedule things, and
you'll have to find time toprioritize, like, you know, the
work you do and, uh, even yourhealth sometimes, like, it's
very easy to just not sleep andthen not eat properly and
everything like that, right?
But yeah, you'll, you'll learnto prioritize, uh, you know,

(04:44):
what's important and how toschedule kind of, uh, a routine
that works for you so you canget your content done while also
taking care of your family.
It's, it's a challenge.
It definitely is, but it's, it'sabsolutely possible, and it is
amongst the most rewardingpossible things you can do.
My man.

Dekkster (04:59):
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to it, but I'm
also a little scared, but not ina bad way.
I just don't know what's gonnahappen.
It's, there's so muchuncertainty, like I'm used to
streaming, what, like 12 hoursduring Twitch drops, like for a
few days straight.
I don't think I'll be able to dothat again.
Um, we'll see.

Alex (05:18):
Yeah, it's, it's definitely a massive change.
And, uh, but you know, dude, atthe end of the day I just like
everyone else who's listening,first of all, want to
congratulate you and we'reexcited for perhaps an update in
the, the near future, but alsomy man, like we have full
confidence in Dexter in beingable to, uh, corral a career in,
uh, not only being a father, butof course in card games, Marvel

(05:39):
Snap and whatever else may come.
Dexter, we probably gotta diveinto the cards, right?
Yeah, we

Dekkster (05:44):
probably should

Alex (05:45):
dive into the cards.
Okay.
I think we need to start withthe new card that's coming out
in Marvel Snap.
And this is Zombie Galactic, aseven four.
A seven four.
That reads start of game.
Choose six other cards in yourdeck.
Reveal, transform those cardsinto copies of this.
A very interesting tagline, avery complicated tagline, one

(06:08):
that I think has created someconfusion in, uh, kind of the
comment sections and couplethings that I've seen.
So to clarify, essentially theway this works is he costs seven
power.
Once you play him any cardthat's on the field to play that
is basically affected by hisaura.
And that's at the start of thegame and you don't choose.
It almost makes it sound likeyou pick the cards that are
gonna change, but it's donerandomly.

(06:28):
It's a random selection.
When you play him, regardless ofthe power of the cards, they
turn into copies of him, theylose their text, they turn into
zombie Giles.
And if your original one was aseven, eight,'cause it got
sheed, all of them turn intoseven eights.
If it was a seven, four, thealternate to seven fours, which
could be bad.
Like if you play like agladiator, that's a three eight
and then you transform him,you're gonna transform him into

(06:50):
a seven four.
So yeah, it's a two, it's atwo-edged sword to some degree.
I came in really excited aboutthis card when Cozy and I
previewed this.
I did give it a 4.5 mostly'causeof like the hype and the, uh,
opportunity to play somethingvery unique.
I'd be curious as to what yourstar rating is out of five.

Dekkster (07:08):
You know, I've been sick with the flu or something.
I think you, I, I actually thinkit was Cozy that gave it to me a
hundred percent.
Um, but I've been out of the,the game for a couple days and
I'm still kind of recovering.
I might sound a littlecongested, so I haven't given it
an incredible amount of thought,but I think it's gonna be a
little bit awkward and clunky.

(07:29):
I haven't theory crafted manydecks with this, but I would
give it like maybe like a three.

Alex (07:36):
Okay, that's absolutely fair.
Um, now I, I have to be honestwith you, I've had a lot of time
to play this.
Um, not a lot of time I've beengrinding games of Zombie
Galactic because I am the onewho's releasing the second
dinner video for this card.
And so tomorrow, on Tuesday onthe official Marvel Snap
channel, you will see my facetalking about zombie galati.

(07:57):
And I was, dude could be honest,I was so stressed about this.
I finally got access to theclient.
I was like, all right, I got theclient, we gotta rip it.
And then I was playing and I wasplaying, I was playing, I was
playing, trying to create decks.
And like, it's one of thosethings where I'm like, man, I'm
gonna be on the official MarvelSnap channel.
I want people to look at thisdeck and be like, hell yeah,
this guy cooked.
Like, you know what I mean?
I wanted to come up withsomething interesting and
something cool.
And, um, then I tried my best.

(08:19):
And I'm gonna talk about a cardthat I think that a lot of
people weren't reallyconsidering on the onset.
As a synergistic card withZombie Galactic.
'cause a lot of people look athim and they're like, okay, how,
how do I get to Seven Power?
Right?
How do I get to Seven Power?
Do I gotta play electro?
Do I got to play Luna Snow?
Do I sneak him out with aJubilee?
Do I play ahum?
There's all those routes, but Ithink the most interesting way

(08:42):
to play Zombie Galactic is goingto be with ksu.
Because if you can discard thezombie galati, uh, like using a
lady sip, he's a seven powercard, you discard him.
Then you start discarding theksu.
KSU will bring back zombiegalati as a seven 12, and he
will change all the affectedcards to seven twelves.

(09:03):
And as a result, you are then myfriend, as they like to say,
this isn't my phrasing, this isthe Internet's phrasing.
You are then clapping cheeks.

Dekkster (09:12):
I, wow.
That's, honestly, I didn't thinkof that.
That's a great, you're, you're agenius.
You cooked man.
Yeah, tried.
That's really good.
Yeah, I didn't even think aboutthis in a discard deck.
Well, I didn't really thinkabout it at all, but yeah, that
makes sense.
Yeah, with ksu that could behuge.
Uh, originally I was justthinking the, put a bunch of
small powered cards, like a handbuff sort of thing.

(09:34):
Um, but yeah, you do have toramp to the seven energy, so
that could be awkward.
Um, magic's limbo is a bit of aliability right now.
There's a lot of, uh, skills outthere from Merlin.
Yeah.
Um, and, uh, I've seen a lot ofThanos out there, so that could
be weird.
But yeah, I like the Concho ideaa lot.
And then you got sif, maybe justeverything is just straight up

(09:56):
discard the Luke stuff, uh, youknow, hitting swarms.
I believe there's like a visualanimation, like it almost has
like a goop, your card has likea goop surrounding it.
Uh, I'm not sure if youropponent can see that or not.
Um,

Alex (10:08):
I'm not sure either.
And I actually asked and no oneknew the answer and I was like,
what?
We don't know if you, youropponent can see it.
And so yeah, there's that.
But um, what I will say thoughis I was like grinding games,
testing this deck.
So there's a couple things I wasthinking, okay, how would
symbiote Spider-Man work, forinstance, right?
Could be potentiallyinteresting.
The problem is if SymbioteSpider-Man gets hit by the oral,
which is randomly selected whenyou play zombie galactic, he

(10:32):
did, he turns into the zombiegalactic.
So his activate is now gone.
So he can't, so that interactiondoesn't work when you have
swarms.
If swarms are affected by thezombie galati aura and you
discard a swarm, the replicatedswarms come in, do not have the
aura anymore.
So there are some very uniqueinteractions.
And there was another one whichwas kind of interesting and I

(10:53):
actually sounded like, hey, likeis this supposed to work like
this?
And they're not sure if it wassupposed to work like this, but
if you have Merlin, who I thinkis a great card, and you
transform a card that had theeffect like the aura.
It will go away.
It won't visually be present,but when you play zombie galati,
it transforms anyway.
So like there is some reallyunique jank to this card.
But I will tell you I had a lotof success with it.

(11:15):
And again, I'm coming from aposition we don't usually do
previews like this, where like Ihave a pretty significant amount
of experience playing the cardin advance.
But like you mentioned the smallbuff stuff.
Let me explain you how that kindof went, because I tried, I was
like, okay, what if we do likegala, who I still think is a
good card with them, to behonest with you, like you got
like Galata, FAOs Chavez, you dolike those small buff stacks.
You, you run like, uh, you know,you Broods or Mr.

(11:36):
Sinisters, you don't like thosetype of buff style lists.
The challenge with that was isthat you can't always reliably
hit the zombie galactic.
Like if you gwenpool, you mightgwenpool your broods or you
might gwenpool Mr.
Sinister and stuff like that.
And then the challenge is all ofa sudden you, you to a galati.
He's a seven, six, but you'relike, well damn, I got my Mr Sin

(11:56):
to eight power.
Or I got like, you know what Imean?
Like you can actually surpassgalatis power with the carts
he's meaning to replace.
And that was happening way moreoften than I expected in those
buff decks because like evenChavez is a plus three because
that Chavez hits like, prettymuch anything in that deck.
Like it's more than four power.
Like you almost really want hitzombie galati and, uh, keep your

(12:18):
mind as well.
Then you, you have to playthings that'll ramp if you're
playing that type of deck, youneed the hope Summers, you're
gonna need something likeJennifer Kale or whatever.
And those aren't cards thatwanna get buffed anyway, so the
deck felt really awkward and sothat kept leaning me towards the
cons.
Should I just say the list?
Am I, am I leaking the list inadvance?
What?

Dekkster (12:36):
Well, it, it was working good then.
Right?
But you're mostly playingagainst bots?

Alex (12:40):
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
When we're doing these, uh,these kind of like tests, right?
We are against the dirtiest ofthe dirt bots.
Like we get a new account, we'reat like rank six, and like the
bots are just like, they're justthe dirtiest bots ever.
It makes the clips somewhat,like sometimes the clips are
like super like, oh, I can'teven use this.
The guy literally, literallyplayed Antman in a solo lane on

(13:02):
turn six by himself.
Like I can't, like I can'tactually use this clip, but
that's a whole other problem.
But okay, here was the deck.
Here was the deck.
Okay.
So Wasp Scorn X 23 Blade,Wolverine, Macari, Moon Night
Lady, Siff Proxima, midnightModoc Concho, and Zombie

(13:28):
Galactic.
Now the idea here is thateverything here essentially
wants to get discarded and goeson the field of play.
If X 23 Wolverine or proximalmidnight have the galactic aura,
they get discarded and they justfall into the field of play
ready to get transformed.
If you Moon night, it's gonnahit wolverine con you or

(13:50):
approximate midnight and alsodisrupt their hand.
If you play Lady C, it'sguaranteed to hit zombie
galactic.
If you modoc right, you aregenerally getting rid of pretty
much everything that wants todrop onto the field to play.
There are some challenges,right?
Um, the nice thing aboutsomething like a wasp is that if
it has the aura of the zombiegalactic and you top deck it on

(14:10):
turn five on your modoc line,you could just play it down
before you play modoc.
I like it, right?
And to some degree, like I was,while I was designed by the way,
I was like stressing over thisdeck design for so long and I
still think that scorn isprobably the odd one out, and I
wonder if it should be yellowjacket.
I wonder if it should besomething else, but I'm, I'm
not.
I don't know.
I need to test a little more.
I kind of ran out of time.
Right.

Dekkster (14:31):
I was gonna say yellow jacket's probably fine.
You don't care about theaffliction, right?
You just play in a lane that'sgonna be ged.

Alex (14:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
And scoring can be difficultbecause like it, the idea is, is
you don't wanna discard anythingthat'll end up in the discard
pile.
You want just zombie galactic inthat discard pile and everything
else.
For the most part, you want iton the field to play.
That's why I chose to usemacari.
Macari runs out.
Of course, if you top deckmacari on a turn where like you
have to blade or something, itbecomes awkward.
But then in that case, sometimesyou just play macari then blade.

(15:00):
You know what I mean?
So yeah, I, I tried to see,okay, what can get on the field
to play?
And then how can we guaranteegalactic discards.
And honestly it worked.
But the problem was, andsomething that kind of brought
me back slightly was it felt alittle bit like a one trick when
you're playing traditionalconcho.
Most con decks now, especiallythe highest performing ones, are
often using both concho andapocalypse alongside cards like

(15:23):
Dracula.
'cause even if you discardDracula and you bring it back
with bonus power and then youget rid of.
Your apocalypse, like you'restill laughing, right?
This type of deck, it'sdifficult to run like a
morphous.
Like morphous is an insane car,but it's hard to run morphous
because if it gets the galacticeffect, it just, it gets, it
gets deleted anyways.
And so I still think there'sgonna be a need for like,

(15:45):
continuous testing andrefinement, but this is that,
this is where I ended up, longstory short, the idea of like,
how can we discard things end upon the field to play and then at
the same time really allowConcho to carry the power that
you want from zombie galati.
So that's where I ended up.

Dekkster (16:03):
Yeah, I mean, I like it.
I'm, I'm excited.
I'm more excited for this cardnow that you've, you've talked
about it to be honest.
Um,

Alex (16:10):
that's the hope.
That's why second dinner has medoing the video, I guess.

Dekkster (16:14):
Yeah.
No, I think it's gonna be a goodtime.
Um, I'm trying to think whatelse you could do.
Like, I'm playing a lot of consuwith like first ghost writer.
Sort of stuff where you'retrying to discard Iron Man or
like White Tiger or Gore, andthen you bring it back with a
ghost writer and you also haveConcho to pull back, like
another one if you didn't hit itback with a ghost writer.
I don't know if this wouldreally fit there, but I was

(16:38):
like, how else would you want touse this?
Maybe on cards that use onreveals that put something on
the board.
Like something like an IronHeart's not very good or a sage
if it gets transform is notgood, but like a, a white tiger
is not bad to include possiblymaybe, I don't know.

Alex (16:53):
That is a good idea.
Like what are just kind of weakcards that want to get
transformed?
Um, yeah.
A good example of this isactually, uh, when I was, I did
a ara shell too.
So I did two decks for thevideo.
I guess I'm just gonna spoilboth.
You guys can still watch thevideo smash the leg button on
secondary channel, but longstory short, like it included.
So it was an arum shell.
I did a quinjet in it.
I did have cards like macarithere, but I also had like the

(17:13):
hood, the hood's a great exampleof a car that would love to get
transformed, right?
Right.
Either via Merlin or of courseyou turn the hood into the
zombie galactic.
Right.
And in that, I'll just read thedeck.
So it's an air from deck withthe hood.
Quinjet, Merlin, Macari FAOs,and then you got the, the
buffers in Sheri GwenpoolGalata.
Then I tried to cook a littlebit on turn five.

(17:34):
Okay.
Leader and Dr.
Doom.
I figured leader could beinteresting because you play'em
down, maybe you steal somethingcool, right?
And then you just flip'em intothe zombie galactic.
That could be potentially cool,right?
Trying to cook a little bit.
I

Dekkster (17:47):
like that.
And of course,

Alex (17:47):
galacto and aem.

Dekkster (17:49):
Leader's, a bit like white tiger adjacent in that
aspect.
I dunno how like, like Faso, Iguess Faso is good for
discounting, but if you addenergy to the card and then it
just transforms into a galacticanyway, maybe that's weird.

Alex (18:04):
Potentially.
Yeah.

Dekkster (18:06):
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think the Chu thing you weretalking about, it seems like the
most promising sounding thingI've heard of so far.

Alex (18:13):
Oh no, for sure.
And like, again, my concern isit might be a bit of a one trick
and the other side is though, isif you're playing Concho and a
gamer snaps on, you turn six orturn five you know, Stardust is
coming down'cause Stardust takesa dump on Concho.
Because Galactic just won't comeback, right?
Yeah,

Dekkster (18:30):
right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh that's true.
That's a good point.
I wonder if you wanna run Corvusin there as well, because then
you can have the seven energy.

Alex (18:38):
Corvus could very well be a substitute for something like
the, um.
The scorn.
Yeah.
The problem was, was that withcorvus, I found myself often
hitting like the blades mods or,and those are cards that like
you're relying so much on thatcont bringing back zombie
galactic.
And again, like it seems likethe narrowness of like what
you're trying to accomplish kindof makes it a little more

(18:58):
susceptible to getting techedagainst or getting just like bad
RG or whatever.
Or if you don't draw con shoes,you're like, bro, what am I even
doing?
And so like that was a concern Ihad when I was creating the
deck.
Like, have I created a one trickthat'll look good in highlights,
but in reality has like a 51%win rate.
It's like, yeah.
That's kind of the concern Ihave.

(19:18):
And like, you just need moretime.
You need more people to test thedecks.
You need gamers like me, youDara, to be testing the lists
and cooking around it.
Right.
And the goal is to try to dosomething creative, but at the
end of the day, I think thatlike we'll need some stats and
refinement to see how itultimately lands.

Dekkster (19:34):
Yeah.
No, I agree.
I'm hyped for discard nowthough.
Oh, it is a big week too, right?
'cause we got a grand arena andstuff too, so

Alex (19:43):
yeah, there's actually a lot going on.
And you know what, yeah.
With that being said, let's moveon to our next focus of
conversation.
'Cause we will be talking aboutGrand Arena.
We're also gonna be talkingabout the zombie century as part
of the Grand Arena conversation.
But before we do that, so nextweek, right?
We've got a whole new seasoncoming, right?
We've got a whole new seasoncoming.
We need to do a bit of adiscussion about like how this

(20:03):
season has gone and what ourgeneral thoughts are on the
hoard cards.
And so we're gonna go through abunch of'em here and kind of
give our takes on it.
So we're gonna start with ZombieScarlet Witch.
Remember Scarlet Witch did getbuffed significantly,
significantly.
It's still missing one piece.
As of recording, we're still, westill don't have the, the, uh,
zombie sent in my opinion, thezombie sent is one of the weaker

(20:26):
hoard cards, but potentiallystill good enough to generate
some horde value.
But.
The best decks with ZombieScarlet Lewis, you're
approximately running a 52% winrate, 51% win rate range on
aggregate across all games.
Post Infinite, she's running a48% win rate at an 18%.
Popularity hoard is just notlanding despite the significant

(20:50):
buffs that got.
So what's your experience beenlike playing Horde?
And you, you happen to be atrelatively high brackets of MMR,
like you're really high ranked.
So what's your experience liketrying to get those weekend
missions done?

Dekkster (21:02):
Um, oh, I didn't, I didn't really try and get the
weekend missions done.
I, bro, I didn't either.
We were both gone at TwitchConwhen they like dropped the OTA
to.
Fix this, right?
Yeah.
Or make it better.
But I thought Horde was reallybad, but then the OTA happened
and I thought it was quite a bitbetter.
It felt pretty strong to me.
Yeah.
I don't know if I'd say it's anan SST or eight tier deck, but

(21:24):
it's, it's a strong deck and youcan get a lot of wins.
Like, uh, the new Giant man orwhatever his name, he's huge.
I've seen some massive giant menlately, dude.
And they're like, they're,they're scary.
Yes.
This guy,

Alex (21:37):
huge.
Someone used to clip that, bythe way, that used to be taken
outta context whenever possible.

Dekkster (21:43):
Yeah.
This guy scares me, dude.
And, uh, he didn't before.
And it's, I, I don't, I don'tknow why it wasn't a huge
change.
Um, but it was substantialenough.
Apparently because, um, this guyjust sold as a lane.
Like you see this and you seesomeone do like an abs man, uh,
grand master stuff.
I've been seeing like this inArne Zola.
There's a lot of fun things youcould do.

(22:06):
Um, I really don't think peopleare like done experimenting and
figuring out what's good for ahoard, but I think it's good.
Like, I think you can hitinfinite with the Horde deck.
Um, I think you climbed at highranks with a horde deck.
There are still a lot ofdownsides.
Your pants are down to shadowKing especially, but yeah, I

(22:26):
like Zombie Scarlet Witch quitea bit now.
Uh, and I also like Mr.
Fantastic.
He didn't really get adjustedright, but I like him in even
like zoo.
Like I put him in my zoo.
He's a two eight, like a twoeight's great.
You have to meet his conditions,just like a dazzler, but two
eight's pretty solid.
So he's kind of a flexibleguard, no pun intended.

(22:48):
He can go in a lot of differentthings.
Zombie Scarlet Witch, I think alittle bit less flexible, but
still good zombie power man.
I was enjoying a lot as well.
I guess he's not really a hoardcard but I don't know if he did.
Do you like this guy

Alex (23:02):
buddy?
You are bouncing all over theplace.
We have organized it, we have asystem, we have a flow, and
you're just like, bro, I'm gonnablow through this entire topic
and just throw all the cardsaround at once.
Okay let's try to get, let'sreign in our pants a little bit
here.
Alright, let's reign in ourpants too.
Exciting because you're likegoing off on Zombie Scar Witch.

(23:23):
This is the season pass card andmost logically I wanna talk
about the premium season passcard next, but now we are like
all the way into just the hoardstuff.
So let's just finish theconversation about the hoard.
So right off the rip, you'regonna say that zombie scar of
the witch is pretty solid.
You've had a positive experiencewith it.
You did mention you like, uh, Isay this name wrong every time.
Zombie giant man.
It's a bit of a tongue twisterfor me.
I'm not sure why.
And for the record, dude, Iagree with you.

(23:45):
This feels like a legitGilgamesh for this archetype.
It's a lane winner and it alsofeeds the hoard itself and then
kind of munches on the feedingit's been providing, right?
Yeah.
It's susceptible to Shadow Kingas you mentioned, but Shadow
King got nerfed.
Its play rate has gone downpretty significantly.
Listen, you're at high MR,you're seeing Shadow King in the
potato ranks, man.
We don't see Shadow King, right?

(24:06):
No one's playing that garbageanymore, right?
You're right though.
You're absolutely right.
And the play rate ofspecifically, well, okay,
listen, shadow King waseverywhere in C two.
If I saw cereal, I'm like, Hey,we're we're cooked.
Shadow King's gonna be in thestack a hundred percent.
Now it's being splashed intoactual, like tech decks,
particularly the, um, the, uh.
The first step's, Galactus one,which is doing pretty good, but

(24:26):
that deck has like h you cards,like ghost rider, super giant.
Like it has all, it's just likea, I hate my opponent and I want
them to uninstall style deck.
But yeah, zombie giant man hasbeen very legit for sure.
And in discussing these zombie,Mr.
Fantastic.
You did bring up a good pointtoo.
It's kind of applicable in likeother types of decks with the
create a card side, but you'reright, it does do pretty good

(24:48):
stuff for the Horde and onceCentury comes out as well,
alongside the Hunger, right?
Which is the card we almostdidn't mention here.
Okay.
The hunger's cool too.
'cause now you're actually,you're adding a lot of power
into the Horde.
Zombie Scarlet Witch has a cardthat can activate her without
actually occupying space.
And you're starting to see moreof a well-rounded approach to
horde.
And it's exactly what they saidin the OTA horde or the horde

(25:09):
mechanics in Sel Scarlet, whichcame out a little weaker.
But now as you're getting moretools, you're starting to see
the potential more, right?
So that's the zombie stuff.
So you're, you're high on thehoard.
You think Hordes pretty solid.

Dekkster (25:22):
Yeah, I think hordes pretty good.
My concern is that like, thisseems like a thematic Halloween
sort of thing that they'redoing.
Um, like when are they gonna putmore horde cards in?
Like they might eventually justget out scaled.
Are they gonna like buff thesein are three months, four
months?
I feel like they're not, likethey're just gonna forget about
him.
And it's kind of hard torecommend these.

(25:43):
'cause I, I guess I was jumpingall over the place with all the
cards because I feel like youneed to talk about them as one
thing.
'cause it's kind of a newarchetype.
Like you can't just get zombiescarlet witch, like she's gonna
suck.
If you don't have the big pointslam, that's giant man.
Like, you might have not a goodtime.
Like if you don't have thehunger in addition to this, like

(26:04):
it's not gonna be that good.
And if you're playing all these,you kind of just wanna throw'em
all together.
But I am, I enjoy horde.
I like it, but it's also likehard to recommend to.
A new player, someone with asmall collection level, with a
limited spend on the game, likejust going with a classic
destroyer or something is gonnabe way better, you know?

Alex (26:22):
Oh, a hundred percent.
And that's exactly, I think thefirst week of the season.
I don't remember who I wasmentioning it to, but I said, I
said, listen, one of thechallenges we have here is that
this is a very thematic season,and I think secondary must have
recognized that.
And that is why, and we'll talkabout these next.
That is why Zombie Power Man andColonel America are not hoard
cards.
Because someone at some pointmust said like, bro, we can't go

(26:45):
all in like this because peoplecan't afford, they don't have
the resources to buy the entireset over the course of an entire
month.
Like it's just too much.
It's too much demands onpeople's resources.
And so naturally I think theystarted leaning towards, okay,
how can we make interestingcards for other archetypes?
We've got two discard cards, wegotta destroy card as well.
All of which are good.

(27:06):
Um, so I absolutely agree therebecause it is hard.
You, you need the whole.
Kitten caboodle, as they say, ifyou're gonna play horde.
'cause if you're missing thehunger, which you, I mean, you
should have gotten more or lessfree to play.
But if you're missing zombieScarlet Witch is a big deal, but
like, uh, zombie giant man, Ican't say the name.
I don't know why.
Zombie giant man.
Yeah.
Like you're, you're gonna beplaying at a massive
disadvantage.

(27:26):
So with that being said, we haveColonel America and the uh,
zombie power man, I'm gonna giveyou the floor here.
I was I saw Colonel America.
I was like, this seems like it'sgonna be very strong.
And I had my doubts at the sametime, and it has been
phenomenal.
How has your experience been?

Dekkster (27:48):
I think this card's really good.
Yeah.
I almost feel like he belongs inmost discard decks.
He ends up if he's just gettingplus two, I mean, he, he's kind
of better than Captain Americabecause you don't need like an
ongoing card.
It's just any card.
Right.
If you're discarding cards, ifyou think you're discarding at
least twice, like you shouldprobably run this guy.

(28:09):
He's kinda huge as a three drop.
I haven't really seen many otherpeople playing this card.
I feel like I'm the only oneplaying this sometimes.
Um, but yeah, I think, I thinkthis, this card's great and
it's, it's impressed me a lotmore than I thought it would.
So yeah, I've seen, um, oh myGod, I was playing like this
discard deck with this guy.

(28:32):
I, uh, Mobius.
Wait, mob, who's the vampire?
The vampire guy.
Mobius, uh, this guy.
I get Mobius and Mobius confusedall the time, but yeah.
Um, those two you play, you playMobius Kernel America, you bash
in it huge.
And then you just keepdiscarding things and you can
play another kernel and aMobius, but like, no one else
plays that deck.
I think it's a solid deck, butno one's playing that.

(28:52):
But yeah, this card's, uh, Ifeel like he's underrated the.

Alex (28:55):
Underrated.
Yeah.
You know what?
I feel like people are kind ofsleeping on him.
I agree.
He's underrated.
Despite the fact, like in myreview of him, I was like, bro,
this card is awesome.
Like I was playing him in abullseye shell early on.
'cause I, I just wanted to playsome bullseye.
And what was cool about ColonelAmerica was that like, okay, you
have lanes that you're gonnawin.
You got the Mors lane, assumingyou don't get like, roaded or
whatever, but you got the MorEast Lane and then you have the

(29:17):
docking lanes and then you haveBullseye as the activator.
Here's the thing though, thatbullseye lane, which might have
bullseye choline Wing, whateveryou're using to generate your
swarms, can have Kernel Americain it.
And all of a sudden with all thediscards you've been doing,
you're actually attacking notonly the docking lane, not only
the uh, the Mobius lane, but theColonel American Lane, all of a

(29:37):
sudden is getting to like 20something power because he's
doing plus four to every singlecard in the lane.
Yeah.
And if you have to plea downswarms or whatever, he makes
them huge.
So like, I think he allows youto have a, like a very sneaky.
Additional winning line wherepeople don't expect they're
expecting to have to deal withdocking, but they're not

(29:58):
expecting to have to deal with aColonel American lien that's way
bigger than they thought it was.

Dekkster (30:03):
Yeah, no, I agree.
I love this card.
I wanna mess around with themquite a bit more.

Alex (30:09):
That's another one that can be taken outta context.
We have a two four zombie powerman.
End of turn.
If you're winning here, discardthe leftmost card from your
hand.
Dexter, what was your experiencewith, uh, with the zombie fi
Nicholas Cage?

Dekkster (30:24):
Um, well, he came out the same time as, uh, Colonel,
so I was kind of messing aroundwith him both in the same deck
usually.
I don't think I've really messedaround with him separately.
I just haven't had enough timeyet.
Time consuming.
But, uh, yeah, but, uh, he, hewas good, like hitting swarms,
um, hitting your ksu, hittingyour apoch, hitting your, uh,

(30:46):
your scorn.
Like you just build your deckaround everything you're happy
to discard.
So yeah.
Are you, are you dying off thecamera right now?
I'm trying

Alex (30:55):
to hold it in.
I can't, I'm so immature, man.
Someone's gotta like, just, Igotta grow up eventually.
Sorry.
Continue, sir.
I, I didn't even hear what yousaid for the last, like, 10
seconds, so I was trying to holdin my laughter.

Dekkster (31:05):
Okay.
Well, uh, I, I like him.
He's good, man.
He's a very powerful dude.
But also sometimes I found like,it, it was awkward to, uh.
Like sometimes he didn't wannadiscard your left mouse card.
Maybe the deck was, that was adeck building issue.
Um, you gotta just make sureyou're happy with discarding
everything.
But sometimes you know, yourblade's on the far left and

(31:26):
you're winning the lane, you'regonna discard your blade and
then you're sad about it.
But whatever.
I, I still think he's, uh, he'spretty good.
A little bit unexplored, justlike a lot of cards are.
But I think colonel's waybetter.
I would give colonel like a,like a, like a four-ish, maybe
out of five.
I would give this guy like a,like a three maybe

Alex (31:46):
I would go like two and a half on zombie power.
I'm exactly with you.
I agree.
Colonel America is definitelythe better card than zombie
power man.
I've had op, I've had gameswhere like zombie power man does
pop off, but it's'cause like Ibleed a swarm on like turn one.
Yeah.
And then I play out like my ladysif and then like my swarms just
keep shifting left.
And then I play zombie powerMan, he just munches them one at
a time.
Right.
And then it's like, oh, it'sglorious.

(32:07):
Right.
But you're right.
When you are discarding alwaysfrom the left, sometimes things
are there and you're like, bro,I don't wanna discard from the
left.
And everything that getsdiscarded jumps to the right.
So like, you know, you're kindof working through your hand and
you're like, bro, I kind of needmy lady s or like, I cannot
discard my modoc.
Like modoc.
If you have in your opening handand you're relying on him for to
clear your hand for your apochplay, you can't discard a modoc

(32:29):
like that's psychotic or discardhim and then hope that with
zombie power, man, you justcontinue discarding through the
entire game.
Right?
He is a two four.
He is got the power.
Um, did you ever try VIPing himover to anybody or No, I never
ended up trying it, but I, Iheard stories of it being
glorious.

Dekkster (32:45):
I feel like that's just, you're, you're investing
too much in a meme play.
Like, it'd be funny, I guess,but you're gonna, you're gonna
lose the game, I feel like, Iguess unless you so

Alex (32:55):
like viper this over and then like, I don't know, black
bolt and then profit somehow.

Dekkster (33:00):
I guess you have to really hope you hit like a key
card.
Um.
From their hand.
Risky.
Their risky man, their

Alex (33:08):
apocalypse.
Too risky.

Dekkster (33:08):
Yeah, probably that's what's gonna, are you gonna hit
their swarm or something?
But yeah.

Alex (33:13):
Yeah.
On the turn, you, you fight overzombie power, man.
They play their bullseye.
You just give them all theirswarms.
Yeah, that's, that's exactly howmy play experience would go as
well.
But yeah, so that's thediscards.
We talked about the hoard.
We talked about the discardcards.
We didn't talk about theDestroy.
Okay.
We guys get started with thedestroy cards.
There's one that I really likeand one that I'm kind of
disappointed in.
Zombie Captain Marvel, you aremy card of the month.

(33:35):
You are my card of the month.
And I gotta be honest with you,I'm not happy.
But this was one of thosecircumstances and I discussed it
on like my video and I was like,listen.
I had a great win, uh, win rateplaying the zombie Captain
Marvel, but I felt like shewasn't actually the reason why I
was winning.
I was playing like destroy withlike head P that was crushing

(33:56):
it.
Moira was giving me multipledeaths and like, there was all
this crazy stuff happening andthere were some glorious plays
with zombie Captain Marvel doingsome really sensual stuff, but I
don't think she was carrying thewinds.
And I was like you guys like,don't fomo into Captain Marvel.
Even though like I came in highon the original Snapchat for it.
Ultimately I think that this isa skip, even though I think the
design is really cool and like,I don't know, I, I like the card

(34:20):
dude, but I don't think it's asgood as I expected, if that
makes sense.

Dekkster (34:24):
It's very awkward.
I think mostly in its cost.
Like if you're playing a Nimrodsort of deck, you'd probably
rather play, you know, likeSurey or Symbiotes.
If you're playing like aDeadpool deck.
You don't wanna play this onfour, you wanna play Deadpool in
a card to eat'em?
Um, I, I just can't find aproper place for this.
I did find one place that feltokay to me.

(34:46):
First off, the stats on thiscard are absolute dog water,
right?
Yeah, they suck.
Um, they're, they're really bad.
But where it felt best to me waslike this saber tooth deck that
I was playing where youbasically put cards you want to
get destroyed.
Like you're playing hood, uh,you're playing Bucky, you're
playing, uh, sentry so you caneat the void.

(35:06):
Maybe even like a debris to kindof clog your opponent a little
bit and then you just eat yourown rock.
Like that sort of thing.
It felt decent, but it, itdidn't feel great.
It felt like I was just forcingsomething.
It felt, a little bit fresh.
'cause like who's playing sabertooth?
I was

Alex (35:21):
gonna say it felt like you were playing a saber tooth deck,
I think is what the problem was.

Dekkster (35:25):
Yeah, maybe it was better without saber-tooth.
Um, but it was, it was fun.
But I think like another bigissue is you move to a location
you're losing, even if it causesyou to like lose this lane.
And I don't know, it's just likethe movement was awkward, I
guess when I first saw this, Iwas also thinking more of like
Captain Marvel,'cause I don'tknow how to read, I guess.

(35:46):
And I was like, oh, end of game.
It's gonna move and like win forme for some reason.
Um, which that is definitely notthe case if you know how to
read.
Uh, it's just, it's moving onceyou activate it and never again.
So

Alex (35:59):
that, that is, that is factually correct.
Yes, sir.
There were moments though wherebecause she gained so much
power, like plus three power isnothing to scoff at.
Like that's a lot of extrapower, right?
She could move to a lie, thenall of a sudden now she's
winning it.
She checks the condition ifshe's losing and then moves and
could potentially be now winningthat location, which is kind of
cool.
But what you said was exactlycorrect.
The activate component of herfeels like the greatest

(36:22):
limitation because you want tobe so proactive when you're
playing destroy, like you needthat Deadpool cycling, right?
And zombie Captain Marvel feltlike a good card in games where
like you're, you were cookedanyways, like you never drew
your Deadpool and you happen tohave X 23 Wolverine on the field
to play and you didn't evencarnage yet.
So you just played the zombiecap Marvel.

(36:44):
But like literally you havenothing on the board and this
was your best idea.
And you're right in the Nimrodstuff, you definitely have to
prioritize Sure.
Your symbion because that's yourwind condition, right?
So I totally feel you, dude.
And so yeah, she definitelyunder, she underperformed, even
though I do think the card iscool.
I think it's a neat design.

(37:05):
It might need some more support.
Like I, I almost wonder if like,there'll be a card, this looks
like the kind of card that likeanother card comes out, you're
like.
Zombie cap is perfect for this.
This is like this fire hair andsomething else, and now it's
broken as hell.
Like this in fire hair plussomething coming out like six
months from now will probablybreak the meta.

Dekkster (37:22):
Yeah.
I think we need more cards like,uh, like Uncle Ben or something
for it.
Just cards like, or like BuckyBucky or Uncle Ben.
Like if we get one more ofthose, I feel like it would
really strengthen this and kindof make its own little
archetype, I guess.
But yeah, the card's just badand if you, I don't know how to
change it, man.
Like it is a fun, unique cardand I feel like this is one,

(37:44):
we're like talking trash on andthen yeah, in a couple months
everyone's gonna be like, oh,this card's really good because
they printed this other card,but you know, they forget how it
was before.
Um,

Alex (37:53):
yeah.
And Dexter and Alex told me notto get it.
Now it's broken.
F them.
Yeah, that's,

Dekkster (37:56):
yeah.
But like, if they buck this.
If they, how do they changethis?
I don't.
Giving it plus four would be toogood.
Plus four to, uh, each carddestroyed.
That'd be way too good.
If they give it five power, likemaybe five or six pound, maybe
just upgrade.
Its, its base power six can be

Alex (38:10):
insane though.

Dekkster (38:12):
Yeah.
Or if you lower its energy, youcan't do that.
It's way too good if you make itthree energy, like it becomes, I
feel like, busted in Nimroddecks.
'cause then you go this Yeah.
Into Surey.
Into Nimrod Activate, intocarnage, venom.
So it's a really hard card tobalance.
I think the only thing you couldreally mess with is its base
power.

Alex (38:33):
I'm in agreement, sir.
But you know what Cardabsolutely took me by surprise
Head pool dude.
I came in on with head pool.
I was like, I don't think thiscard's that great.
I'm gonna admit it guys.
Damn.
Did I have, I enjoyed playingthis card this month.
Man, this card was so muchbetter than I expected it to be.
I was like, is this even solvinga problem that Destroy has?
And then I'm like, wait aminute.

(38:53):
And it's one of thosecircumstances where you gotta
play the card to fullyappreciate it.
'cause like it was buffingitself.
It was buffing itself.
It was making the deaths bigger.
And even though, even though theMoyer X version of Destroy
technically is like 1% lower winrate and slightly lower Qurate,
I'm gonna play that anyways'cause I'm a psychotic that way.
But dude, head pool has been sogood for Destroy, like Destroy

(39:15):
is legitimately a meta contenderright now.
And I think this is a big partof it.

Dekkster (39:20):
I think destroy was really good even before this got
printed.
Like Moira coming out.
Yeah.
Improved, destroy a lot.
I think you said the stats arelike not as good.
I wonder how much that dependson rank, but like getting a
random death, like the, theunknown part I feel like really
helps the cube equity.
Like your opponent doesn't knowif you got an extra Killmonger,

(39:42):
like can they play out their onecost now or did you get an extra
death?
Do they have to leave or likethey just have no idea or just
printing an extra carnage orsomething.
So yeah, I think Mario reallystrengthened it and it was in a
good position and then addinghead pull on top of that, it's
just one of the best decks outthere right now.

Alex (40:01):
This is one of those circumstances where I'm like, I
knew you're gonna say this.
And I came so prepared bro, soprepared you'd be proud of me.
I literally have a screenshotright in front of me here and it
is destroy.
With both variations.
The head pool with Moyer X andthe head pool without Moyer X.
Now please note I'm biased ashell.
I want Moyer X to be better.

(40:21):
I don't care.
It's like my favorite when we doour favorite cards, the top
cards of the month.
Yet, you better damn wellbelieve I'm talking about Moyer
X you.
The Moyer X version of DestroyPost Infinite has 1500 games on
it.
According to Untapped, it'srunning a 55.4% win rate in a
cube rate of 0.27.
I know it's a lot of numbers.
The Destroy without Moira X andinstead of Moira Wolverine is in

(40:44):
the list, is running a 0.39 cuberate versus the two seven and is
running a 56% win rate flat, andboth of which have, well, one of
'em has 2200 games and one has1500 games, so de decent sample
size.
So you're looking at 0.6%increased win rate and a point.
Zero point, uh, one two cuberate high.

(41:05):
I'm gonna put the graphic on thescreen.
'cause the way I just explainedit was awful.
But long story short, I havelike confirmed stats from Tatch
Post Infinite that the non Moiraversion is better.
To my chagrin.

Dekkster (41:14):
Is this top 50% infinite?

Alex (41:16):
No, just pure infinite.
'cause I just want the largersample size.

Dekkster (41:19):
Okay.
Yeah.
I feel like it would be possiblydifferent, like pulling the top
50% would, uh, get rid of peoplesaying, oh, I'm just gonna stay.
I'm trying not to curse.
I'd be like, oh, I'm just gonnastay'cause it's only

Alex (41:31):
two no curse.
I want you

Dekkster (41:32):
to, I'm asking you to curse.
Alright.
People are just like, oh, it.
Like, it for two.
Like, I didn't,

Alex (41:35):
you actually took,

Dekkster (41:37):
you told me what the Oh my God.
You're, you're the master baiterdude.
Every time I see you, you'rejust baiting.
But yeah, I, I don't know.
I think, um, I do like Wolverineover it.
I think that like, there's justroom for, uh, experimentation.
Like, do you like Moira?
If you don't like Moira, justfreaking take her out.
Put Wolverine.
Like, that's totally fine aswell.
Or if you don't have head pull.
But you do have Moira.

(41:57):
It's, it's probably still a goodneck, but, I don't know.
It's flexible and I think that'sgood for people with limited
collections.
I kind of hate Moira, you know,I was like kind of glazing her a
little bit.
But I do feel like, um, when Iplay Moira, she's hitting like
the most useful stuff that Idon't want to hit when my
opponent plays Moira.
Oh, it's fricking, it's deathevery time.

(42:19):
It's depth, every single time.
But me, no man, I don't knowwhat I'm getting.

Alex (42:26):
I'm trying to do the calculus, like how do I kick
this guy off the podcast ordisrespecting Moira me while
still continuing somehow andputting out the show.
I can't figure it out.
How dare you?
I, you know what you have to do?
Listen, I, I'm gonna accept, oh,he's gone.
Dexter's dead.

Dekkster (42:42):
I'm

Alex (42:43):
back.
Listen, I listen.
I'll accept an apology and I'llaccept that you wash your mouth
out with soap after.
Okay.
You're gonna have to stream itthough.
Okay, but Moira X, Caleb, we'regonna go right to the top cards
of the month.
Now Moira X, we're gonna do itby cost is my number one by far.
The entire month is my favoritecard.
We're starting at one costanyways.
I love Moira X so much and Iknow we've already been talking
about Destroy.
I don't care if the other deck'sbetter.

(43:04):
I don't care if it has a highercube rate.
I don't care if it has a higherwin rate.
Is it just the animation?
No, it's not just the animation.
I love the fact that it makes myplace so unpredictable for my
opponent.
They have no idea what I'mdoing.
And when I see that doubledeath, you damn well know I'm
snapping.
There is Snap equity there,baby.
Like it's just there.
I tried playing some dorm mamawith her.

(43:24):
It was just hand cloggeddisaster.
Moira X is the shizz.
I love this card.
You watch your demo.

Dekkster (43:32):
I'm sorry I take it back.
Moira's great.

Alex (43:35):
There it is.
I love Moira.
I appreciate you.
It's

Dekkster (43:37):
a skill issue, honestly, that I'm just not
hitting my deaths with it.
That's the problem.

Alex (43:42):
That's fair.
Okay.
Who's your one?
I've already, we've been glazingMoura, uh, Moira, as they say.
That's a moist, critical, uh,reference there.
I get, by the way, I get all mynews from moist critical, and
now I feel like, uh, I, I'vebeen sending my wife moist
critical links and I'm like,Hey, listen to this.
She's like, why are you, I'mlike, he's talking about
something important.
She's like, but why are yousending me this?
He'll talk about like somethinglike in the news, and I'm like,

(44:04):
listen to, and like I send it toher as if like, this is CNN, you
know what I mean?
Like, no, you send someone likean, like an article from CNN or
something.
I send her moist.
Like videos and commentary.

Dekkster (44:14):
You, I think you're his number one fan.
Like you're all about the, thegoof juice or whatever.
I was

Alex (44:19):
hunting down, oh man, t wait, lemme say this story.
I'm so sad.

Dekkster (44:24):
It might be a different story, but, um, they
were giving out like free goofjuices, which is moist,
criticals, like, I don't know,flavor for energy drink or
whatever.
And Alex was so excited.
He picked it up and he cherishedit.
It was like one of his children,his fifth child.
Um, and he was walking aroundTwitch con.
He wasn't drinking it.
I don't know why.
He was just holding it.
It was probably warm.
He was just waiting, waitingfor, I put in the fridge a

Alex (44:45):
couple of times too to try to cool it off.

Dekkster (44:47):
Yeah.
He was waiting for the rightmoment to crack it open.
And then mid-conversation withsomeone, he accidentally knocks
it over or like drops it whileit's still closed and it just,
it like cracks the lid and itjust starts spilling And uh, he
was so crushed it.
I've never seen him so sad.
Yeah.

Alex (45:08):
I had been nursing that goof juice.
For like literally nine hours.
And I don't know why I hadn'topened it.
I didn't want, I almost wantedto take it home with me and keep
it.
Yeah.
I actually have a container ofgoof juice and I, I don't want
to open it because I just, Ijust want the, I just want it
and like, it's like a, do youknow when you get like a, it's
the equivalent.
This goof juice is theequivalent of like me having

(45:28):
like a first edition likebooster box of Pokemon.
Yeah.
You can't open it, man.
You can't open it.

Dekkster (45:34):
It's like, yeah.
It's like a sealed product thatgoes down in value.
If you open it, yeah.
You're just keeping it forever.
Okay.
That's right.

Alex (45:39):
And I'm tired all the time.
I could use some, like, somegoof energy man.
You should

Dekkster (45:44):
probably just start goofing, man.

Alex (45:47):
I should start goofing.
You're right, man.
You're right.
I should start goofing.
Just chug it right here onstream.
It's a lot of caffeine.
Dude.
I think we did the math.
Didn't you tell me it was likefour coffees or something?

Dekkster (45:56):
Yeah.
I don't know.
I get each coffee can kind oflike vary, but it's about four
maybe.
Well, the can was, I don't know,but like Yeah, it was a big can.
It was like a.
I don't think it was a tall boy,but, uh, yeah.
Do you know what a tall boy is?

Alex (46:11):
Yeah.
It's like a beer can that'sjust, uh, elongated.

Dekkster (46:14):
It's a, yeah, it's a tall boy.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, it was, it was a littlesmaller.
Right?
It was like a Red Bull size.

Alex (46:21):
Was it a Red Bull size?
I felt like it was bigger than aRed Bull.

Dekkster (46:24):
I guess there's multiple sizes of Red Bull.
So this is a big I all I know isthat

Alex (46:28):
like every time we went to like CVS or something actually
was like, bro, I need a monsterenergy.
You're like, you all you did wasdrink energy drinks the whole
time.
Like I, is that even healthy?

Dekkster (46:37):
Oh no.
But I like, I need to be able tosocialize and not die, you know?

Alex (46:43):
Hmm.

Dekkster (46:43):
I was also running low on, on energy, not energy
drinks.
I was just tired.
Uh, because Cozy doesn't let mesleep.
He just keeps jumping around onthe bed all night,

Alex (46:54):
another one that can be taken horribly out of context.
I love this.
You, you're just, you're justfeeding the clip machine here
today?

Dekkster (47:00):
I'm not doing it intentionally.
I, I just, uh, I need energy,man.
I think when, um, when I'm outand about, if I'm ever traveling
somewhere, I normally don't wantto like, go to a coffee place
because of lack of consistency.
Like sometimes I will, but, youknow, like an energy drink here,

(47:20):
like a monster here is the sameas a monster, in the east coast
or whatever.
Like, it's all, it's all thesame.
I know what I'm getting.
It's like a, a McDonald's orsomething.
You know,

Alex (47:31):
McDonald's, this guy says, Jesus,

Dekkster (47:32):
if you try a coffee, what if all of a sudden, uh,
you've developed lactoseintolerance and you have to run
to the bathroom and you have tomix miss your, uh, meet and
greet or something.
I don't know.
Like it's drink black

Alex (47:42):
coffee, bro.

Dekkster (47:43):
Yeah, but what if it like sucks?

Alex (47:46):
I don't have an answer for that.
I don't drink coffee.

Dekkster (47:50):
Inate, your first, your first taco.
Sorry.
You eat your first taco?
Yeah.

Alex (47:54):
I had my first ever actual real Taco Dexter and I, we, we
went to a legitimate Mexican,uh, restaurante as I think they,
they called them and we sat downand the tortilla, okay.
Last time we talked a tacos, Icalled the tortilla bread and
people lost their minds.
I, that was Why would you,because I said, oh, the bread

(48:14):
was different.
And people were like, if he say,if he means bread as in
tortilla, this guy's a clown.
And I was like, I'm not gonna,that's like, that's like

Dekkster (48:21):
calling is a noodle bread.

Alex (48:24):
No, that's not the same tortillas.
A it's car bread.
The noodles are,

Dekkster (48:30):
I feel like I can agree with that, but also
they're completely different.

Alex (48:34):
I'm, listen, I'm recognizing this.
I'm trying to improve on myvernacular.
Okay.
I'm okay.
I'm admitting I was wrong, Dex.
I just didn't know

Dekkster (48:41):
you had to ever said that.
I wouldn't have hung out withyou if I knew you said that.

Alex (48:46):
Anyways, so we got this and the tortilla was like a
traditional, like, like Mexicantortilla, and we got the, it was
like some pineapple, Carney,Carney.
I think it's how it said, I saidCarney, like a car past

Dekkster (48:59):
pineapple.
It's pineapple like, like pork,I guess.
Pork, yeah.
Oh, it wasn't

Alex (49:04):
even beef.
That's right.
There was another one that wasbeef.
Anyways, they were incredible.
They were so good

Dekkster (49:09):
and

Alex (49:09):
Oh, we have the Mexican

Dekkster (49:10):
coke

Alex (49:11):
too.

Dekkster (49:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I said you have to try a Mexicancoke, man.
It's different.
It hits D

Alex (49:15):
different.
It was different actually.

Dekkster (49:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Alex (49:18):
It felt more natural.
And then you explain that it'sbecause it's made with cane
sugar.
Yeah.
I don't know how they do it inCanada.
I think we get the same thing.

Dekkster (49:28):
Yeah.
Like a Canadian Coke might bethe same as a Mexican Coke.
Actually, all I know is that No,

Alex (49:33):
there's no way there.
No, no, no.
I, it definitely was ddifferent.
You use high

Dekkster (49:35):
fructose.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you use high fructose, thenuh, you gotta have a Mexican
Coke, man.
But they're like, uh, that's aluxury item.
You know, they're not that cheap'cause they gotta like import
them.
But you were covering the bell.
So I said, let's get a MexicanCoke.

Alex (49:50):
You know what?
It wasn't until afterwards Irealized it was like$5.
That's okay.
I wasn't gonna bring it up bud.
But, uh, now that you have, I doappreciate that lunch was on me.
So we're just swimming in inMexican Cola.

Dekkster (50:01):
Yeah.
I should've got two, man.

Alex (50:04):
Oh man.
Alright.
But should we actually talkabout your favorite one drop?

Dekkster (50:07):
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, we were, so I preparedmyself, I forgot we were talking
about

Alex (50:10):
two.
Yeah,

Dekkster (50:11):
I prepared myself for, um, top cards Wait of the month.
It's just like our favorite ofeach cost, right?
In general.
Yeah.

Alex (50:18):
So what, like what was your favorite one drop to play?
This one.

Dekkster (50:20):
So my favorite Zero drop.
You gotta start with zero wasp.

Alex (50:26):
Okay.

Dekkster (50:26):
Okay.
Do you agree or you preferyellow jacket?
I just

Alex (50:30):
finished talking about how I wanna play Wasp and Concho, so
I'm here, I'm here for it.
Yeah.

Dekkster (50:33):
Okay.
All right.
So we can agree on that one.
And then I've actually got, um,I gotta come.
You gotta say why.
What are you doing?
I got a list of I have, how doesthis work?
How do cameras work?
Uh, I got, uh, two differentchoices.
Okay.
Wait, I gotta talk about whywasp

Alex (50:52):
just generally.
Okay.
I mean, you don't have to if youdon't want to, but everyone's
gonna wander

Dekkster (50:57):
because it's better than yellow jacket.
There's only two options.

Alex (51:01):
Oh my gosh.
You literally started at zero.
Yeah.
That's, you chose between one oftwo cards.
Oh my God.
Okay.
That's not, okay.
That's not quite in the spiritof what we were trying to do
here, but IAnd drop, why You'reconfused.
One drops favorite one drop.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's, okay, let'spretend the zero one, like I
thought that, like this was yourfavorite one drop.

Dekkster (51:20):
No, this is my favorite.
Zero drop.
Okay.
What there's.
Are you trolling me right now?
I feel like this, I get, oh,you're trolling me.
What is this?
I think you're trolling me.
I got a list of zero througheight.
I chose my favorite seven drop.
I can't show this because thisis, oh my God.
Okay.

Alex (51:36):
I zero and one are like one category and six and plus
are another.

Dekkster (51:40):
Okay.
So I have, uh, for one drops, Ihave what I think is like the
best, but it's a specific niche.
So it's not Howard the best, buta specific and the best, but a
unspecific.
So I think just the best cardthat you can almost throw in.
Like any deck maybe I put bump.
Oh really?

(52:01):
Sir.
Hydration bob.
Sir.
Hydration Bob.
But I think the maybe the bestone drop is actually like
Deadpool.
I feel like Deadpool's crackedright now,

Alex (52:12):
so.
Oh, Deadpool's so good rightnow.

Dekkster (52:14):
So I kind of chose two.
Um, but those are my reason.
Like Deadpool sucks in almostany deck.
That's not a Deadpool deck, butBob is good in so many decks,
so.
I think dead Pole's one of thestronger ones, but Bob is great
if it's like someone trying tolike get a card for their
collection.
It's kind of what I'm gettingnow.
Bob

Alex (52:32):
feels like an evergreen, like it's always gonna be good
in pretty much anything.
Remember when this was a onefive, how insane it was?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it releases a one four.
They got buffed to one five andthey got released, uh, nerfed
back down to a one four.

Dekkster (52:46):
He's so good though.
Well, I guess with Kat comingout, uh, I feel like he's been a
little bit less good.

Alex (52:52):
Yeah,

Dekkster (52:52):
it's

Alex (52:52):
true.

Dekkster (52:54):
I like this car lot.
This almost made the cut for metoo.

Alex (52:56):
Yeah.
Who's your two?
Do you want to lead the way ordo you want me to go with my two
drop?

Dekkster (53:01):
Uh, I wanna go first 'cause otherwise, uh, no.
Maybe you should go first.
Otherwise you're just gonna copyme.

Alex (53:06):
Boom.
Merlin.
Oh, that's a great choice one.
Yeah, that's a great choice.
I have a, I have a secondchoice.
That's spicier.
Well, not spicier, just a littleless common, but I think Merlin
is so, I think this is easilyone of the best cards in Marvel
Snap.
It gives you so much utility.
It can go in almost any deck.
It feels great to play at prettymuch all times.
Dude, this card is sounbelievably good.
I feel like people know it'sgood, but it doesn't quite get

(53:27):
the respect it deserves.
You

Dekkster (53:28):
know what

Alex (53:29):
I mean?

Dekkster (53:29):
I respect it.
I'm scared of this, this man.
Mostly for omni universal, uh,presence.
Is that Yeah.
Changing, uh, location.
So scary.
Plus he gets plus two.
Like he doesn't need that dude.
That's insane.
Um, but yeah, Merlin'sfantastic.
I maybe would've put him, but Iput, I put er Is this boring?
Like I puter?

Alex (53:49):
No, ER is a good call, dude.

Dekkster (53:50):
Even though er got nerfed, I feel like er is still
very, very strong.
And like, if you're justthinking like, what to drop do I
put in here?
I put er and then for my, uh,my, my other one, which was just
like.
Serge is like almost in any deckyou could put SE in, but
Victoria hand I think is justlike a very cracked card as well
that I've actually seen.
Victoria hand

Alex (54:10):
has been like almost meta breaking, but not quite hitting
that level yet.
Eh.
Like she's just under the radar.
I think

Dekkster (54:18):
that's a hideous split.
But yeah, I think, um, I thinkVictoria hand is cracked, dude.
Like, uh, I've not been seeingenough people play her like, you
got Victoria hand into Fri.
It's almost like you just gottaSnap, you know?
And I kinda like that.
So I think, yeah, I think, Ithink Victoria Hand's a great
kind, but I feel like my choicesare boring.
Dude,

Alex (54:38):
buddy over here is chirping the crap outta my
split.
I don't have a good Victoriahand split, man.
Would you like this one betterwith the bananas and the
psychedelic background?
No, I Wait, how did you I know,I'm sorry.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
I was, my special mention wasMirage.
I've had more fun playing miragethis month than I usually have
and obviously in Victoria handdeck, but I think Mirage.

(55:00):
It's a super cool card.
Let's move to the threes.
There's only one card I can saythat I was excited about this
month.
The change to krs Man.
I know that it ultimately hasnot been like a banger
statistically, but this is a funchange.
I'm here for it.
I like Kang.

Dekkster (55:18):
I hate, I hate Kang.
He's so bad.
I hate him.
Like with the passion.
I don't know, like my streamwhere K got reworked and
everyone wanted me to play, thatwas like probably the worst or
like least enjoyable stream forme.
Maybe it was enjoyable for otherpeople to watch, to see me go
through pain, but for me, I waslike, I, I was looking at the
length of the stream, like Iwas, uh, ready to punch out at

(55:41):
work, you know, like I was done.
I was like, I don't, I don'twanna play King anymore.
Uh, but if I play anything else,anyone's like, oh, why, why
aren't you playing King?
You know?
Um, there you go.
So my favorite card, that's alittle more specific, of course.
Cerebro.
I think you could have guessedthis.

Alex (56:00):
Yeah, that, that makes sense.
Now I'm trying to think of waysto insult cerebral.
I know you're gonna hate thesplit I have on right now.
I'm thinking of ways I couldinsult your cerebral, but I
don't wanna, I also lovecerebral,

Dekkster (56:09):
but I don't, I don't, something's wrong with me.
Like, I don't like the, like themedex, right?
Like I don't play the doc inbullseye stuff that, you know,
you created or whatever.
Like, I, I don't, I don't playthat'cause that's like kind of
top of meta right now.
I don't play C3'cause it waslike too popular.
I don't play C two'cause it'slike also too pop.

(56:30):
I've been playing a lot of Cfour lately, C four with the
newly buffed shadow king.
It's it's kind of good.
It probably isn't actually thatgood, but it's kind of like
surprisingly not bad.
Um, with, uh, miss Marvel in it.
No.
No.
'cause she, she has fine power.
That's a C five.

Alex (56:49):
Oh wait, she has five power.

Dekkster (56:50):
Oh, mean ca You mean zombie?
Zombie Marvel?

Alex (56:52):
No, actually, it's so funny you mention that I've not
played this card.
Oh, miss, interesting.
In so long.
Think she got buffed back up.
I thought she was still fourpower.
Dude, I legit forgot this cardgot buffed again.
That's

Dekkster (57:01):
a, that's a C five card.

Alex (57:03):
Yeah.
My bad.
Let's go show you how often Iplay C five

Dekkster (57:06):
for, for three drop.
That's a little more flexible.
I put Prodigy, I also said LunaSnow's really good and so
Gladiator.
I think all three of those arejust all, but I like Prodigy 40
cards.
I'm sorry I misunderstood theassignment.
That's your fault.
You're a teacher.

Alex (57:24):
Yeah.
I should have made theassignment.
The instructions were unclearand it's, uh, it's all my fault
going to, I can almost guessyour fore drop, by the way.
Can I guess after, I'm gonna saymine for, no, I'm gonna guess
yours first.
Can I guess yours?

Dekkster (57:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Go for it.

Alex (57:37):
Am I right?
No.
Come on.
Every time I go in your street,you're playing a fire Lord Deck.
I'm like, who's playing fireLord in 2025 and it's Dexter.
You're playing fire.
Okay, now I feel bad.
There's no way.
You actually were the only onecooking with this guy.

Dekkster (57:49):
Yeah, no, I think I gave up on him.
I was trying stuff with him andI, I actually miss him being Six
Power'cause I liked him inCerebro six.
Like Unironically.
He was good in Cerebro six, buthe's, he sucks here at Seven
Power.
Alright, my guess also sucks.
What's your guess?

Alex (58:08):
No, my guess was, oh, so your guess said it

Dekkster (58:09):
was his.
Okay.
What's your actual card?
What's your actual card?

Alex (58:11):
My actual card.
Okay.
Listen, I've been playing waymore, way more ongoing than I
should and I got a pretty nice,I got a pretty nice, uh, variant
for Moonstone and I think thatMoonstone is a really
underappreciated card that justtakes what Ongoings doing and
just amplifies it.
And I like that.
I like Moonstone a lot.
It's been, uh, it's been a cardI've really appreciated this

(58:32):
month.

Dekkster (58:34):
You're not drinking your, your goof juice, but
you're drinking your, your goonjuice.
It seems like this is a rawdinner.
No, definitely

Alex (58:40):
drinking the goon juice.
Man, you, I'm always sipping alittle bit of goon juice, you
know what I mean?

Dekkster (58:44):
Boy, that's a little sensual, a little erotic is the
children's show.
Don't, don't talk about Is it,is it

Alex (58:50):
children's show now?
You've already sworn multipletimes.
Did I?

Dekkster (58:55):
Yes.
Did I?
How am I gonna not say bad wordsaround my kid?

Alex (58:59):
You know what, what?
Like, I have been unfilled newsfor, for eight, I got for like
three years.
They can't understand the wordsyou're saying anyway, but then
at about three years old whenyou least expect it.
They're gonna like, they'regonna repeat something.
They're gonna like saysomething.
You're like, bro, that's myfault, my bad.
And I'll tell you a fun story.
So I've sworn in front of mykids so many times, like, not
like I don't swear a lot, like,but sometimes I do.
You know, just get the you know,you just give it a little, um,

(59:22):
they never repeat anything I sayever.
They just ignore me.
I just don't, my wife and shelike, she is like a saint.
She doesn't say anything badabout anybody.
She's so quiet.
She doesn't swear.
One time she was painting orsomething and she dropped the
paint can off the ladder and itjust spilled all over our floor.
And she dropped like a legit Fbomb.
And it's like the only one I'veheard her say in like 20 years.

(59:47):
And my, like our three-year-oldjust looked up at her and just
was like.
And just repeated it.
We're like, no, my wife's like,how is it possible?
I say it once and now the threeyear old's just repeating it and
he keeps saying it.
It's my wife's faults, it's mywife's fault.
So yeah, that, there's a littlelesson on how that ends up
working out.

Dekkster (01:00:06):
Okay.
Well, I'm sure my kid will sayworse things than your kids, but

Alex (01:00:12):
it's like a competition.

It's a competition, yeah.
Who swears more at five yearsold?
Um, okay, so I chose, come on,let's get on track buddy.
Come on.
Bastion.
Okay.
I can get behind

Alex (01:00:27):
that.

I love Bastion.
He's so fun in so many differentdecks.
Like you're playing an ongoingdeck.
You play bastion.
If you're playing, uh, you knowthat, that Kernel America,
whatever that discord deck I'mplaying bastion.
That's actually, that's all Ican think of is those two.

Alex (01:00:46):
But he doesn't bring up, uh, cerebral three.
It's fine.

Yeah.
'cause I said I hate cerebralthree, but yeah, he definitely
is good in cerebral three.
Which I don't play, but, uh,that, that's a, like a bit of a
specific card, but I honestlyfeel like, yeah, he's great
dude.
He's so good.
I think he's underplay like alsohim, Victoria Hand and Frika in
the same deck they coach.
Yeah.
Ma Mia.
Yeah.
That's a good deck.
And then, uh, I also chose, I, Irealized mid podcast You hate

(01:01:14):
this card.

Alex (01:01:15):
I hate this card.

Yeah.
I don't hate many

Alex (01:01:18):
cards.

It has seven power and it starts with an s

Alex (01:01:24):
I'm trying like, is Itron Can't Beron.

I like STAs.
You don't hate Teron?

Alex (01:01:28):
No.
Who the hell, who do I hate?

It's a giant.
Oh

Alex (01:01:34):
man.
The only thing I hate about thiscard is I hate the art.
I don't understand why she'swearing a jock.
Well, you could change yourvariant, man, but I don't have
many options, man.
I mean, I got the Max GRE Iguess.
There you go.
I like, I like the general flow.
I just don't understand thejock.
Well, why you even look inthere, man, I like that.
I'm looking there.
I'm just saying it's like, youknow, if she playing hockey,

(01:01:55):
like I don't understand why sheneeds that.
She's in battle.
That so that there she's like,okay listen, give me the leather
jumpsuit.
But yeah, a little protection,little armor.
I'm gonna need this piece ofarmor.
Yes.
Specifically tailored to, okay.
Okay.
I understand.

Yeah, it might makes sense.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The Laura super giant I use, uh,the Max GRE one.
I like that one Big Max fan overhere.
This one.
Um, yeah.
But, uh, with a better, youknow, split

Alex (01:02:22):
I swear I have decent splits around.
I just, I wasn't prepared tohave to pull up my max Greg.
I just, what I do is I upgradeall my cards that I don't
actually play to just the, the,uh, the uncommon border.
Because it costs 25 credits, sothat's why everything's green if
it's not my main.

Oh, okay.
Yeah, no, I think this one'sgood as well.
Now I can't unsee what you spokeabout, but like, other than
that, it's, it's a pretty goodone.
Anyways, this card, I feel likecrushes a lot of the things that
frustrate me.
And for me, there's a lot oftech cards out there that I hate
playing against.
Like they're not fun to playagainst even a, like a qe, even
though QE doesn't really likewin anything anymore.

(01:03:01):
It still sucks to get qed, likeit's not fun or getting shadow
King, like, it's frustratinggetting Mobius.
It's frustrating for somereason.
It's super giant, doesn'tfrustrate me as much, so I feel
like I, I really like the designof this card.
Like it's a little awkward toplay around if your opponent
plays it, but I'm not like,absolutely pissed off.
If that makes sense.

(01:03:22):
But I also feel like it crusheswhat my opponents are playing.
So maybe they are pissed off andI'm just, uh, not playing decks
that are crushed by super giant,but like, uh, I don't know, some
destroy decks.
Maybe they want to eat their DPand they can't, they can't
gobble'em up, so that's kind ofgood.
Or if they're playing discard,maybe it kind of messes'em up
somehow a little bit.
Um, if you're playing a end ofturn, this was so good during
end of turn stuff.

(01:03:43):
Fantastic during end of turn'cause you would just not let
them play their end of turnthings'cause it was end of game.
Um, but yeah, I like super giantgood card that I feel like, um,
maybe more people should run.
I hate stardust though.
He can suck my Sorry, that waspassionate.

Alex (01:03:57):
That's uh, that's beautiful.
So you don't like the stardustuh, coconut sucking stardust
here.
So one thing I'll say aboutsuper giant, if they ever change
taskmaster back to a five cost.
I'm all in super gianttaskmaster.
Turn six.
You drop something chunk likeyour galacto first steps or
something could be potentiallycool, right?
Um, we have some synergy likethat.

I forgot about the Yeah.
The taskmaster, um, people to doInvisible Woman into, you, you
do taskmaster under InvisibleWoman and then you do like
surey, you do something massive.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Inau.
Oh, I should bring that back.

Alex (01:04:34):
Maybe you should.
I'd like to see that.
You're definitely a good chef.
And talking about the five coststhat I think I wanna mention
here just briefly, I gotta sayit was cool to see Dark Hawk
have a moment in the spotlight,in the meta and then, uh, people
started playing the deck and thewin rates and cube rates tanked.
Like it was literally one of thetop decks for a week.
And then everyone startedplaying it, and then it just
disappeared.
Like it's cube, everything justlike, yeah, just fell apart.

(01:04:57):
But it was cool that Dark Hawkhad like a, a flash moment of,
uh, relevance.

Yeah.
I feel like I was seeing a lotof hawk at like TwitchCon, like
that era Yes.
Area.
Yes.
Yeah.
But then after that it justdisappeared.

Alex (01:05:10):
It did.
It was like a flash in the.

Yeah, but I really like, uh, yeah, I like this as
well.
Like I was playing a DominoWicken sort of build, um, that
was running Dark Hawk the onlyone drop.
Well, I had Quicksilver, butalso Corg, like that deck was
popping off and I bet it's stillgood.
But I think, I think like stufflike Destroy being so popular,
it just goes way too tall andit's, it's maybe just phased out

(01:05:34):
Dark Hawk a little bit.
But I like this card.
I'm happy to see big dark Hawks.

Alex (01:05:39):
That's right.
And uh, who's your five cost?

Um, so I put, I always, I'm always picking two,
you know, but I put Gilgamesh aslike my very specific, only good
in like one build sort of thing.
I think Zoo is fantastic rightnow.
Aside from all the destroy beingout there.
Like if you smell destroy, maybeyou just leave or maybe you run
Ra.
Um,'cause there's a lot of kmMoners.
But Gilgamesh is huge, dude.

(01:06:04):
He's massive.

Alex (01:06:07):
Him.
I made the argument, if you'replaying zoo, you could play
armor over Kaira.
Snap on someone setting up alane for like a, like a carnage
play.
Yeah.
Do you know how heartbreakingthat is?

Yeah.
You could do that.
You could definitely do that.
You could also play like thinginstead of Gilgamesh, but I
couldn't get a, like Gilgameshsolo carries a lane so hard.
You put like Kat in some othersmall things in one lane, maybe
an armor, you know, BM overthere and then just slam gilga
in a, in the sides.
Huge.

Alex (01:06:34):
When you said BM over there, I immediately thought
like, you know, you play thecards, you emote them a bunch,
and then you play Gil.
You meant Blue Marvel.

I meant Blue Marvel.
Yeah, I meant Blue Marvel.
He's a fun card.
Oh, the other card I put Legiona very flexible card.
I feel like he can almost go inany deck.
He's good man.
He just, no one ever expects himfor some reason.
Your opponent plays, uh, youknow, or puts a limbo out there
or just it's randomly out there.
Dude, that's four free cubes.
Four.
I feel like four.
Feel He's often

Alex (01:07:01):
played in ahum.
I don't see him elsewherethough.
And it's probably a shame.
Remember when he was a fiveeight?
He was everywhere.

Yeah.
Yeah.
He was so good.
Yeah.
I was actually playing like aramp deck with this guy.
It wasn't Aish, but yeah, it waslike a, it was kinda like a, a
war machine storm deck.
Uh, I think it was made byzombies.
Go no nom.
And it was cool popping offlegion's.
Good man.
People forget about'em.

Alex (01:07:27):
Alright, let's go to the six drops.
My favorite six drop of themonth is not a six drop.
Oh, it's death.
'cause I'm Moira.
This is, this is just moer lovehere.
Yeah.
That's what this is.
So I was gonna say, this is my

favorite eight drop.

Alex (01:07:39):
Hell yeah.
We can agree.
And this was the famous step onme mommy card.
That, uh, I got really confusedwith Nina said, this is a step
on me mommy variant.
And I did not understand whatthat meant.
I do now.
I've been educated by the finepeople of the internet, but uh,
yeah, this is.

I do understand what that means.
I didn't watch the, the pod.
I'm so sorry.
I didn't watch it.
I wasn't one of your views, but,uh, I get, I understand where
it's coming from.
It kind of reminds me of, uh,the, the final, is it?
No, no.
What the hell is that?
The, the resident Evil village.
Uh, you know that large woman?

Alex (01:08:19):
I'm unfamiliar with the resident Evil village,

that large woman that a lot of people wanted her to
step on them.

Alex (01:08:28):
Okay.
I'll have to look into this.
I just Google large womanstepping on me and that should
get me to that.
Um,

no, maybe, maybe, uh, re also put resin evil in there.
Otherwise you're gonna get somedifferent images.

Alex (01:08:46):
I understood.
I'll, we'll try both.
I'll see what the results are.
You gotta tell me a six drop or,or higher that you like.

Okay.
My favorite eight drop is death,which is also the only eight
drop.
It was kind of a joke.
You didn't think it was veryfunny, but whatever.
My favorite seven drop, there'sactually three options for a
seven drop.
I put chem,

Alex (01:09:05):
which this is one of the worst variants in the game, I
think, by the way.
Like, what the hell's even goingon?

Really?
I feel like that's what you weretrying to do to me at TwitchCon.
Just would just crush you with

Alex (01:09:14):
my thumb.

Yeah.
You're trying to crush me.

Alex (01:09:17):
No, see the light?
You, you are my shining light.
That's what this is.
You think this sucks?
I think this is great.
Really?

Yeah.
Okay.
Wait, what?
He's like, it's a thumbs down,right?
He's like thumbs down in a poem.
Yeah.
Like this isn't, you don't likethat?

Alex (01:09:36):
I don't know.
I just, it just, I, I think it'sjust weird.
It doesn't make much sense, youknow?

He's massive.
He's trying to thumbs down andsomeone's stopping him.
Action.
Who is this?
I thought that was you.

Alex (01:09:48):
That's me in the middle.
Like that's, that's actuallyphysically me.
This is the artist drew me.

Yeah, they're a Snapchat fan.

Alex (01:09:55):
Oh, fair enough.
Okay.

You're like saving the universe.

Alex (01:09:58):
I'm try, I try every video I try.
And so far, I mean, so far we'restill here.
So yeah I'm been successful thusfar.

Wait before you move on and try and kick me off the
show, um, my actual favorite sixdrop.
This is maybe a hot take.
Galactus, old New Steps.
Last steps.
That

Alex (01:10:17):
one.
Did we just become best friends?
I love Galactus.
What are we talking about here?
Man, I play, I always end upplaying Galactus in some of my
videos, even when it makes nosense.
And then my highlights aresupposed to be about like zombie
captain, the Marvel, but it'sjust me making people kneel for
20 minutes.

I love that this card is so fun.
I feel like no one expects'emfor some reason.
No.
Um, and also there's like thatbig bads deck.
You know that one from the past,um, that was running, like, it
runs like, Ultron, Killmonger,destroyer, Knull Death,
Galactus.
That one's actually good still.
Um, it got changed when Kalecame out.

(01:10:53):
I think you dropped, I forgetwhich card you dropped, but you
dropped the card for kale andit's literally like the exact
same deck.
Dude, I went so cute positivewith this like a month ago.
I, I gotta bring it back out.
I love, uh, the big boys.
Wait big bats.
The big, the evil.
Evil, the Galactus, that evilgentleman.
Yeah.
But there's also like deaths inthere.

(01:11:14):
And then my, my other six drop,'cause I'm picking two, I'm
breaking the rules.
Uh, hulking.

Alex (01:11:20):
Hulking is actually seeing like onic plate, which is kind
of wild.
I still only have like the basevariant

and I think for the same reason you love.
Moira, I guess where you getlike a, you know, you're getting
a death in your hand, like justgetting some good text on this
bad boy.
Uh, that's some cube equityright there.
But also I feel like when I playthis, it's often just like
infinite and I'm like, why am Iplaying this card?
But then like later it's like,blob and I'm like, that's why

(01:11:47):
I'm playing this card,

Alex (01:11:48):
yeah.
I hear ya.
Alright.
I, I can get behind that.
Like, I'm not personally a fanof Emper hulking'cause I like
more of the consistency.
But if you're talking aboutlike, if you want splice if Hulk
Ling's a sp Spice of Life, thenI'm here for it, then I'm
definitely here for it.
You,

I was gonna say you want more of the consistency,
but you're also playing Moira.
That's like kinda random, right

Alex (01:12:08):
bro.
But the only thing consistentabout Moira is that she kicks
ass.
This is a phenomenal card.

It's a good card.
Yeah, I agree.

Alex (01:12:18):
Thank you.
Thank you all.
But there's a little randoms isembargo.
Um, we need to talk about, Idon't know why we skipped it.
But we need to very brieflydiscuss the returning grand
arena.
We should just mention the newheroes and generally speaking,
like what our expectations arefor the zombie century.
So, okay.

(01:12:39):
I'm just rip it right now.
'cause dude you extended thelength of that, like your
favorite thing by picking 45cards by God.
But, you know, it was, it was afun conversation, but I'm just
saying, um, I'm sorry.
What the heck?
No, don't my bad.
Don't be sorry.
No, I appreciate it.

No, I ap I've wasted everyone's time.
I think.

Alex (01:12:57):
No, you did not.
You, you wait.
No.
Everyone is very interested inyour takes about WASP versus
Yellow jacket.
We needed to have thatconversation.
I'm glad we've identified thatWASP is a better card.
It's one of those things that Ithink that 90% of people
listening would not have likepicked up on.
It'd like you wasp per yellowjacket.
Let's tie Grand Arena.
Grand Arena is coming back.

(01:13:18):
We've got some new champs, gotsome returning ones.
Returning Champs.
Gimme your thoughts on it.
We got Carnage coming back.
We got Herbie coming back.
We got Mr.
Fanta coming back and Moleman ofall cards coming back.
What's your take on carnage,Herbie, Mr.
Fanta and Moleman coming back?

Are they touched?
Did they change him at all?

Alex (01:13:39):
I don't believe so.
I mean, the decks would probablybe different.
I don't think we have deck liststhough,

because I remember Herbie being cracked and I
remember Moleman being awkwardand bad.
Yes.
So I don't know.
I don't know if thatinformation's out there.
I.
I know the answers, so I'm, I'mI dunno what to say.

Alex (01:13:57):
Wait, do you know stuff?
I don't.

Maybe.

Alex (01:14:01):
Okay.
So the decks are clearlydifferent then, you know, stuff.
Wait, wait, hold on.
Now you got me all.
No.
'cause I don't

remember, I don't remember what they were before.
I didn't like compare them.
Okay.

Alex (01:14:13):
I could You tell he was cracked?
Herbie was absolutely cracked.
Carnage was like the second vestthing.
Carnage was really good.
Oh,

I loved Carnage.
I thought he was a lot of funbecause he added consistency to
being able to to Oh yeah.
Right up your voice.
Fantastic.
Was

Alex (01:14:25):
mid and Mo man was trash.

Yeah.
I remember Mr.
Fantastic.
Being kind of fun, but yeah, alittle bit mid, I guess he was
kinda like surge, right?
For your Yeah.
Stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, I'm, I'm happy tosee them return.
I wish there were eight new onesinstead.
Yeah, me too.
But I get it.
I get it.
It's kind of cool.
Maybe they could have made a.
More slots, but maybe the, thebalance becomes a little bit
awkward though.

(01:14:49):
I,

Alex (01:14:49):
I need you though.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I was ready to talk aboutthe new champions, but if you
would like to interrupt me andcontinue speaking, I would

love to interrupt you.
I was gonna say that you, uh,you have to, you have to lean on
these because I, I know more andI don't know what's public in
information.
Okay.

Alex (01:15:04):
This is, this is, I don't even know how you know more I'm
supposed to know, like usually Iknow why other people know stuff
that I don't know, but in thiscase, I'm actually flabbergasted
here.
Um, but in the interest of bothof us, not accidentally breaking
NDAs, we're going to go with thenew champions.
We're going with Magneto.
Magneto does exactly whatMagneto does.
His skill's gonna be master ofmagnetism, which is gonna have

(01:15:26):
an, the cost for some reason Idon't have written down.
I think I deleted it byaccident.
It's gonna cost something andits effect's gonna be on Reveal.
Move all Enemy three and fourcost cards to this location if
either side is full, double yourchampion's power.
So Magento turns into a muchlarger Magento once he moves
stuff over.
That sounds pretty cool.

And in theory, this will also happen if he's in your
hand, right?

Alex (01:15:48):
Oh, hell yeah.
Okay.
That's cool.
You sound like you might havesome experience with this.

That's what, no, I'm just reading the text on the,
the card.
Oh,

Alex (01:15:55):
now you're reading text.
Before we talk about how youdon't read the text.
Now you're reading text.

Yeah.
This was exciting.
So I like, I think, I thinkthat's pretty good, but also a
little bit awkward.
I don't know.
I, I feel like he's not gonna bethat strong, but I'm excited.
I'm, I'm like, I'm reallyexcited for, uh, pre-built,
pre-built I think are just sofun.
So

Alex (01:16:17):
I really, I was really hoping they would announce that.
Like pre-built, go againstpre-built customs.
Go against customs.
They didn't say that.
And I'm like, bro, I gave youguys one piece of feedback.
You don't listen to anything I'msaying?
No.
Pre-built versus pre-built.
Come on, let's do it.
And then if you want during theweek, make some adjustments to
that.
I don't care.
Pre-built versus pre-built.
Because we're gonna MinMax it.

(01:16:37):
We're gonna ruin it.
It ain't fun.
Or let's be gamers.
Let's get the dubs.

Yeah.
What if they did something likea few days, first few days it
was only pre-build and then likethe last couple days you could
go wild, you could go custom orsomething.
Like maybe that'd be okay, but Idon't know.
Yeah.
That's my main kind of issue.
But we'll see what happens.
Maybe this time it'll be So ThorOkay.
Is also

Alex (01:16:59):
gonna be added.
I just like, I thought you weredone speaking.
You were still speaking.
Sorry.
It's not, talk over

me.
I'm, I'm used to it.
Got something

Alex (01:17:08):
Shuffle Mule into your deck.
That's what Thor usually does.
But his skill is thunderinghammer, um, which is a two cost.
And it says on reveal, shufflemul into your deck, draw a card.
So you get two mule nerve,you're just getting another mule
nerve, you're pulling it outtayour behind and just throwing it
back into your deck.
Is that good?
That's what it sounds like.

I mean, getting two mule ERs, that's probably pretty
good, right?
Makes a big, do you just stagger

Alex (01:17:30):
Mule?

You just get, you get two, but you gotta make sure you
draw, I mean, you're increasingthe size of your deck, but
you're also drawing a card.
These also, you gotta keep inmind these start in your opening
hand, right?

Alex (01:17:40):
Yeah, of course.
How much does it cost you?
Just gotta make sure you getthat lady Jean.
It was a, it was a two costcard,

cost two to draw a card and shuffle Ulner.

Alex (01:17:49):
Keep in mind you can do that on turn one'cause in uh,
grand Arena you have one extraenergy, which by the way I'm
gonna say is way cooler thanpeople talk about.
Like having one extra energy inGrand Arena makes the game play
totally different.
It's so much more interesting inmy opinion.
That's just my take though.
Yeah.
Could play It's kind anunappreciated element.

You could play glac the without having to have an
extra energy.

Alex (01:18:08):
Hell yeah, there it is.
Boom.
Easy

boom.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Having two energy on one doeschange skill law.
You just always play the skillon turn one'cause it costs two.
So maybe you don't need anyactual two drops.
That's pretty good.
Yeah, I mean it's kind ofdrawing a card but not'cause
it's putting a card on yourdeck.
But yeah, I think it'll besolid.
We

Alex (01:18:28):
also have the Hulk's gonna be a champion.
Champion Hulk.
Same thing.
He's a six 12, but his skill isHulk Smash.
Probably could have guessed thatit's gonna cost three on reveals
that the cost of your Hulks tofour in deck or in hand.
And it's also noted that Hulksrefer to the Hulk Red Hulk.
She Hulk hulking and BruceBanners transformed Hulk, which

(01:18:52):
I'm assuming you have nowBeasted into your hand.
But anyways, those are the cardsthat are considered Hulks.
It said hulking.
No scar.
No scar by the way.
Yeah.
Hulking iss here, man.
Hulking ISS listed.
No scar though.
Scar's kind of like his son, butI guess he gets scammed.
But hulking is there.
Yeah, I thought Scar wasdefinitely a Hulk.
I was told that Hulk, he'shulking was not a

Hulk really?
He was a scroll or something.
Am I, maybe I'm being lied to,but I swear someone said that
that would make

Alex (01:19:20):
sense as to why he's able to mimic so many people's
powers.

Yeah.
Maybe he's also like a, wait, Ifeel

Alex (01:19:27):
like I read the lure about emperor hulking.

Yeah.
I don't know, but I guess hesays Hulk in his name, so it
counts.
But if he put caps, shield is abit sexist and doesn't apply to
Captain Carter, so it's true.
I dunno.

Alex (01:19:39):
Scammed, hard.
Scammed.
Yeah.
Yeah.

So we'll, uh, we'll have to see some of that I
guess.
But if it's hitting hulking, Ithink that's, that's huge.
That's a big deal.
If it's not hitting scar,though.

Alex (01:19:49):
Not hitting scar, which I think is a massive scam,

that's, yeah, that's, that would definitely change how
good the deck is.
Okay.
You're trying to rush throughthese bad boys.
Okay,

Alex (01:19:58):
well it's just, I'm trying to respect your time, sir.
Because we have the ghostspider, A one three who does the
same thing she's already done,but her skill is arachni.
I can't, I was gonna say thisis, it's arachni acrobatics
that's not as hard as I made itout to be.
Cost four on reveal, yourchampion gets plus two power for
each time you've moved a cardthis game.

(01:20:19):
So it's basically just ghostspider sipping brew skis with
uh, with a hydro stomper.

Yeah.
But hydro stompers is plus one.
This is plus two.
That's huge.
Yeah.
Plus two.
But you're paying four for itthough.

Alex (01:20:32):
It costs

cost four.
So you're kind of, it's kind ofa five drop maybe, but you also
play it on top of a, a silk getanother move in there maybe.
Yeah.
I don't, I think this is, uh,this is gonna be the best, one
of the new ones.

Alex (01:20:47):
See now that you're saying this, I'm like, he's either,
this is pure bait because he'slike, it's the best, it's gonna
be the worst.
And he knows it's gonna be theworst.
And this is his like plausibledeniability play.
Or he actually just revealedsome insider info and this deck
is actually gonna be cracked.
I can't tell which one it's oneor the others.
Nothing in the middle.

No, I think it's just that, um, move is really good
already as it is.
Good.
And like hydro stomper, you canget plus 10 on him.
Easy.
That means this is plus 20.
That's huge.

Alex (01:21:15):
It makes sense that in grand Arena where like the
stakes are slightly more, youknow, pliable, they would make a
good move deck because I feellike move suffers from people
just not wanting to give it ashot.
Like I think that the casualplayers like Brown not playing
that.
Like, I just don't want to like,it's just not the way I wanna
engage with the game.
And if you can make move fun,maybe people will be like, you
know what, this ain't as allthat's scary.

(01:21:35):
Like maybe I'll actually play,move on the ladder.
I think that's kind of cool.

Yeah.

Alex (01:21:39):
We don't know

what the prebus are.

Alex (01:21:42):
I do not have the deck list as of recording.
No.

Okay.
Yeah.
Me neither.
I check for

Alex (01:21:47):
them too and I do not have them.
Yeah.
What I do know though, somelittle tidbits of information
regarding to the new mode isthat there will be a premium
pass and the only exclusivereward is gonna be a champion
variant for carnage.
And that's gonna be the same asbefore.
So 800 gold, which I think isactually pretty cool.
Right.
It's pretty cool.
And then you also have thezombie century, which is gonna

(01:22:07):
be available for all players,and that's gonna be in the free
track.
Ooh.
So that's interesting as well.
And they said that they expectthe average free event pass
player to earn enough glory tounlock zombie sent.
So this isn't like a, they'resaying it's not a situation
where you played a discount,like you should be able to
achieve this card for free,which is great.
I I do appreciate that.

(01:22:28):
Now, that if we're gonna havelike a schedule of two limited
time game modes per month, I'mglad they're tying achievable
rewards to them.
'cause for me, it makes the gamemore fun.
I like the limited time gamemores more than the latter at
this.

Yeah.
No, I think, uh, the game woundshave been solid ever since we
all kind of cried about'em

Alex (01:22:43):
that one time.
Yeah.
Just a lot of tears.
Um, but they were justified.
They were justifiable tears.

Yeah.
They were not in vain.
They were totally worth it.
We should keep crying.

Alex (01:22:52):
Just cry more.
We need to cry more.
It's true.
Yeah.
Everyone just let it home, man.
Just let it out.

It it was good.
Yeah.
I think things got better.
I mean, kid Omega situation wasbad.
We lost, uh, a lot of people,but

Alex (01:23:06):
a lot

of good news.
Look at us now.

Alex (01:23:08):
Yeah, look at us now.
But, uh, you know what, dude, Igotta say, I appreciate you so
much for coming on this week'spodcast.
The conversations with you arealways amongst the most fun I
have.
And, uh, I have to say, first ofall, you've been making some
banger content that, uh, thatvideo did with Regis.
That was awesome.
Oh yeah.
You liked that one.
Yeah, I um, I do, I do like thatone.
I think everyone should likethat one.
In fact, I think everyone shouldbe watching that video next on

(01:23:30):
your channel right now.
And when they're there, theyshould be hitting the subscribe
button.
'cause dude, you've beenproducing some banger YouTube
content.

Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, I didn't, uh, I didn'tannounce anything, but like, I'm
trying to change my main channelto just like high effort stuff
once a week.
We'll see how that holds up.
That's cool.

Alex (01:23:46):
I'm all for that.
Let's go.

Yeah.
I might have a video with, withyou later.
Yeah.
You only had the

Alex (01:23:52):
footage for like three weeks, but it's fine.

Hey man, I got the flu.
I was at TwitchCon.
I had a Mexican Coke.

Alex (01:24:01):
It's true.
There's a lot of variables here.
A lot of it's high effort.
You're putting the effort in

and it's one a week, you know?
So I already got, I got nextweek's already ready.
I guess it'll go live.
It'll be live by the time this'sout.
So yeah, go watch it.
Please help me out.

Alex (01:24:14):
That's right.
Help press the button.
That's right.
Oh, on that note.
Seriously.
If you like a con creator, hitthe li.
It's not just, it's not justYouTube or CR stuff.
There was a video where I made,and like I said, something about
hitting the like button.
And a lot of people more thanusual hit the like button and
literally YouTube doubled theamount of impressions that gave
that video just based on howmany likes were on it.

(01:24:34):
Like, I was like, whoa.
I knew it made a difference.
But like in the proof was in thepudding, as they say I was blown
away at how much like the actuallike metric and the ratio
completely pushed the video intothe stratosphere.
Like it actually makes a hugedifference.
So if you like a creator, hitthat like button.
'cause it does, it's massive.

It's free.
It doesn't cost anything topress that button.

Alex (01:24:55):
There are not many things in life that are actually free.
And hitting the like button isfree.
Yes.
I think we're done.
We're done.

We're done.
Okay.
Well thank you for having me.
It was fun.
Is this gonna be my last one?
'cause I said bad words.
No, I

Alex (01:25:08):
would never dream of

this

Alex (01:25:09):
being your last one.

Oh, okay.
All right, great.
Well I'll see you in, but yes,you're fired.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
It was fun while it last.

Alex (01:25:18):
I love you guys.
Thank you so much for joining usand we will see D what's the
thing they do?
Dexter will return.
Oh, do you know?
Because what they, what do do onthe Marvel movies, Dexter will
return in like, you know, maybein the Avengers in endgame.

Yeah, I think.
I think that's what they do.
I've never seen a movie beforein my life.

Alex (01:25:35):
You've never seen a movie before?
Okay, this is great.
Alright.
Dex Dexter will return as willwe next week and we'll see you
on that next one.

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