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October 5, 2025 25 mins

What's the future for an unpopular party governed by an unpopular leader? That's the question no one will be asking quite so bluntly at the Conservative Party conference this week in Manchester– except possibly The Times political editor Steven Swinford. He discusses whether leader Kemi Badenoch’s days are numbered and explains how the Tories could beat Reform at their own game. 


This podcast was brought to you thanks to the support of readers of The Times and The Sunday Times. Subscribe today: http://thetimes.com/thestory


Guest: Steven Swinford, Political Editor, The Times. 

Host: Luke Jones.

Producer: Micaela Arneson, Olivia Case. 

Clips: GB News, Kookydave via YouTube. 

Photo: Getty Images

Get in touch: thestory@thetimes.com


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