EP 32 NIKKI LANE

Wtf is “Water Lettuce!?”…. Keep listening and you’ll find out! Today’s guest, our boo, Nikki Lane! A singer and songwriter who mixes the honky-tonk atmosphere of vintage country with the clever bite of indie, rock, Nikki Lane is a barroom siren whose music is tough, witty, and bold, inhabiting Nashville archetypes while upending them at the same time.  Lane’s songs walk a fine line between sincerity and irony, but the passion and effectiveness of her vocals keeps her from sounding like a put-on, and her melodies mix rootsy twang and rock & roll edge with confidence. Lane introduced her talent with the 2011 debut walk of shame and added a soulful edge with 2014’s all or nothin’ and 2017’s highway queen. with 2022’s denim & diamonds, she eased back on her country accents and added harder rock energy to her mix.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I turn.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Get a little such up hi.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Am tern Mari, and you're listening to touch up.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
We hope you're picking up a we're putting down that's water.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Lettuce is very cool, yeah, Lettuce.

Speaker 5 (00:18):
Well, just like doing some weird stuff, Like I'm just
trying to make everything like so now because I travel
so much, We've been working on a two hundred and
fifty linear feet chicken tunnel that goes into a geodesic dom.
I'll get you pictures that has the pond in it,
so that they can kind of be in a contained
area that utilizes still the whole portion of my lawn
because I don't want to like lock them in. Yeah,

(00:39):
but I don't want to get eaten by a hawk while.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm at stage coach, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
So, so I created this whole thing for them, and
I'm kind of training them how to forage through it,
and the.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Pond will need to be cleaning. They're lucky ducks, right
especially Like and then sometimes the.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Chickens get scared and I'm like you, little chicken, and
then I'm like, yeah, chickens.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
My old neighbors.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
And one time she was coming over and she had
the chicken in her arm, and she was like, She's like,
would the chickens say when you cross the road as
she was crossing it, Oh my gosh, well it's a
dumb but she.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Had six six and she lost a lot. It wasn't
easy for her.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
That's what it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
It's like, you know, there's predators, there's like natural stuff.
So it's been you know, one of them. We have
a mutual best friend and one of the chickens passed
away on her watch. The girls were and I haven't
experienced it firsthand, but I'm like, well, actually one of
my injured girls just never recovered.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
But it's like, but you're watching.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Like these girls are like they look oh no, it's
not good. They're like trying to save these chickens. And
I'm on tour and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
And you become attached to them right there.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
They're smart, really work.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I'm trying, like.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Like my eleven year old chickens sider, she's given them all,
but I'm trying to remember that like.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
You the first I.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Know, I tried, and then I just decided that their
names work better, Like I was trying to name them
like Loretta because one's called like an Americuana, and I
was like Americana, like we'll call her like.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Loretta Lynn or blue.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
But they've named them and they but I just they're
just my I just am like, oh, the little brown
and black one. There's two that break out every day
and the other ones don't realize they're like they.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Found like that.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
There's nobody like getting all the worms out front, and
so every neighbor has caught contacted me and been like
your chickens, And I'm like, the thing is if you
ignore them, they'll hop back over in ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
If you try to get them in, you'll.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Run around the neighborhood for eight minutes trying to get.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Them to jump back up for the be like, but
they're on their own, they really do.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
And it's like it's just I don't know. So for me,
I'm like, I'm we were talking about you just get
a dog, like just like you you like, just like
the empathy. Yeah, like I'm just gonna go grab a
dog and a dog.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
And I'm like, but you're like, I gotta go get
a couple of chickens ducasts and like the ducks here. Yeah,
the city's legal amount of chickens, you know, and it's
what is the legal amount for my acreage?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Six? It's okay six?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well hold on, I don't I don't want to, okay,
but here.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
From my own eggs so I can get you started,
like literally, like in about two weeks with some chicken.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
There is nothing more and there's nothing better than fresh eggs,
just different, different, better talk about.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
I got branded content like the best Little Henhouse in Tennessee,
like off of the best Little Whorehouse in Texas logo.
So I like, you know, I don't have enough eggs
to do anything with them, but they're gonna have like
a little sign.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well that's so cute eggs. Yeah, yeah, I'll just bring
them to any other animals. Two dogs and two cats.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
It's like a small and last night Sierra brought over
two baby pigs and unfortunately they're gonna meet max capacity.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
But I've already named them and I was trying. I'm
gonna babysit them today when this is over, so we
might talk about that other than.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Is she gonna keep them?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
No?

Speaker 5 (04:29):
But well they're kind of like on they're just traveling
with their like uh farmer father who's like rehabbing them
right now because they got injured because they're in these lots.
You know, their mom can like step on their feet
and stuff. So now they're healing. They're healed, but they're gosh,
where is my phone?

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Trying to hide my phone.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
We all know that pigs are ridiculously smart, like they're.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
So and I was like forcing, so one of their
little faces is smushier than the other. So I named
him pauslast night because he's like and I.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Made him cuddle me.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
And then this other one's pretty insane, so I called
him Buck and this is buck awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
They're gonna be big.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
They're gonna be six monsunds. So they're just out from
the weekend, six six.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Hundred, so they're gonna be hanging out for the weekend,
so each together, and uh.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
The is gonna be just like farm there.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Nothing's gonna happen from a big property in Virginia with
like hundreds of pigs.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
But they're like I said, they're being bottle fed back
or like they drink out of a little craft or whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
But they were like drinking milk that was brought down.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
So they're on a little trip and they're just a
little rehab trip and they're hanging out in the yard
and foraging around, and then they'll go back to their
farm life. They said, mostly probably as pets, just because
they'll be like communicative and stuff. So it's like the
ones that get injured get a better life than the one.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
But I mean they're gonna all have a great life.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, But because we're not getting anything from pigs besides,
like me, no, well the meat, right, we're not getting
like milk, we're not getting furit, we're.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Not getting out And in this ironment there at least
all their pigs are free ranging, swapping, they're moving, they're
doing like moving the pastures and stuff, so that it's
all regenerative, like that's how we should eat, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
And and I'm even I didn't even tune it.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
I tried to not pay attention because it's actually so
sad with the meat industry, do you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I tried to tune it out.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
And I'm like, oh, it's like, yeah, some lucky ducks,
some lucky chickens kind of yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Do you eat meat too?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
And where do you get it from? That way?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Well, now, just because like when I'm home, I go
to Lebanon and go to Cedar Creek, uh butcher and
then and then whole foods or sprouts or something, you know,
something just because I'm getting everything, I don't really have
time to go out and get it all in that
way or order on gold Belly or something, just genuinely
to try to get something like from a like a

(06:52):
like but then you know, on tour, you know, you're
just trying to eat it a nice farm to table restaurant,
hoping they have those like yeah, and you know that it's.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Unavoidable because there's a whole world out there, but you know,
but it is sad that.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Like to see like you know, from just an animal
loving perspective, I'm like, oh wow, Like you know, the
the That's why I don't quite name them, because the
effort I'm going forward to prevent them, you know, from
having a bad life versus eating chicken. I'm like, yeah,
that's just the friz, that's just the funny looking one
or whatever.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
But would you ever have like a like live on
an actual like farm.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
And hundred Well, I don't know because of time and stuff,
but like honestly, like just to loop back to my dad,
like I thought, and that I would probably have to
just take care of my parents, you know, and then
I'd convince them to like be at home with whatever
I acquired, you know. But there's paw Falls out there everywhere.
I love Wait always like she loves old Man.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
You know.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
I could just find my you know, little farm, like
it's just like you know what now and just be
my papa.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Tell me I'm lazy or whatever.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah, exactly so, but but it's just the chickens essentially,
are just an opportunity to feel something like you're giving
it all the things and it's giving it back. So
I go out and like the chickensiter has been collecting
the eggs. My landscaper is now like they're his babies,
the chickens and ducks. I'm like, did you ever picture
this in your life?

Speaker 6 (08:21):
And he's like no, you know, they have outfits for chickens.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And yeah, and a lot of it just for chicken bodies.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, that's what we would be doing if we got chicken.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, because people end up with a house chicken because
if they do get injured, like that's like Gerda comes
in every night because she's they worry about her more
than the others.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
And now ad has a bunch of chickens and I
know she likes them.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
So she just had because she was like responsibility to
her to give her these chicken But she does an
egg count.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
She lays them all out in order.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Nobody touched the eggs for a week because she wants
to see how they're paying rent, she says she but
it's like for her, it's like then she got to
give them more calcim or something. It's cute, but it's like,
but we're like, but I told them. I was like,
you can't collect take in my joy if you take
all the eggs.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, a hundred year old egg basket.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
It's cute.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
You like, first of all, welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Uh, singer songwriter Americana going to get that, I know, Yeah,
a vinted shop owner.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Like what do you not do?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
But I was gonna say, you just like embody like
the Like if there was like a video game of
like Americana singer, you would just embody it because you're
just like just everything about you, Like you're such a vibe,
You smoke weed, you're so cool, you own a vintage shop,
you know how to raise chickens, You're a badass singer,

(09:54):
a songwriter. You're on tour all the time, dope, Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, I mean yesterday it wasn't a dig at like
other people, but it kind of sometimes is like like
but they said, you know, most artists aren't like that,
and I said, are they really artists because there's lots
of and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
It is.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
It's a little bit of a dig but it's like
an all encompassing artist.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
There's so many people that.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Need a style and by the way, I want to
stylist to like help me do the job.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
But there's a lot of people that require a lot
of other.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Components, and in my opinion, that is because they have
found in art form. But for me, art is like
you are an artist, you do makeup, but like your house,
I'm like, aside from my car because it needs to
be new and fancy and have heat, theaters to get
meters to get me where I'm going and winter.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
You know, everything is an artistic expression. Yeah, you know,
and that's what I do.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, I mean, and it's real as it comes in
that way, and it's almost possible to pretend to be
anything another thing, and that's your best and your worst
quality when it's like that. But I think a lot
of people are just like you know, maybe they're singers
or maybe they're songwriters, you know what I mean, But
like you can kind of hone in on who in
your life are true artists.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yeah, you know I'm going to say, and that like
people like understand the people who are like minded and't
get that and all that too.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
And even if you were a minimalist, I would be
able to see your.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Style through your home and your.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Instagram even you know, not in a superficial way, you
know what I mean, just in ah, in your dressing,
you know everything. So I'm like, I that's what I've
been like really realizing is like the most important part
of like what I am is that I just try
to be an artist, you know. And so I learned
how to ride the motorcycle to like get another like
I learned how to stand up on a surfboard.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I'm terrible, you know what I mean, but but I
wanted as a young person to learn.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, how I cannot snowboard very good. I'm scared, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And it's still only a kind of a good one.
But you know what I mean, but I saw out
like the different paint.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, you're very like your vibe like follows through through
like everything aspect of your life.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, that's where that's what I get from you.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
And that's why I push all my friends, like you know,
to like find out what they like if the if
they're missing a little part of that and I'm.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Missing parts of it, like you don't know until you
explore it.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
And like someone said the other day, gosh, yeah that
has always happened to me, And I said, yeah, but
you're eighteen years younger than.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Me, Like think of all the things that you can
like hone in and.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
The older you get to, the are like things that
you're like, oh shit, I didn't even think about.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
And in that way, then you're like all right, bringing
on years, you know, I.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Can And it's a level of confidence that you have
now that you can do it like in a different way,
you know.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
And a lot of mistakes left behind for sure.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah mistakes.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, girl. Where are you from?

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Originally Greenville, South Carolina, that's where the airport is. I'm
from Woodrof, South Carolina and Simpsonville, two small towns like
in a small town.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Oh cute growing up, and I.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Think care that's cute, Like I like I would get
to write I think looking now because my sister still
lives there.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
And I could ride my like scene where I was allowed.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
To ride my bike to you definitely know that I
was an eighties kid, you know what I mean. I
was like, oh, I was allowed to go up to
the square I can get yeah, because you're allowed to
be in a certain neighborhood or two, like you know,
like in terms of geography. And then I'd figure out
how to like lock you, Oh well if you cut
through point SETI had a powder warn you can roll
up to the Little Caesars skateboards.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
You know. We just had one dinner around six o'clock. Yeah,
we were out from the morning after.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, we had the dust.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Like and I grew up and I moved to l
A just before I turned nineteen, and I had never
seen any.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Movies or anything.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
So it was like my whole youth with friends and
dating were like.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
How have you not seen?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
What do you mean you've never seen?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I just did. I was outside, yeah, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
We had to we could stay out till we were dark,
and we were side at the park in the woods
like you know, any you know, and so I just
hadn't like pop culture came. I watched MTV when I
watched this kid that had cable, you know, like in
the summer, like from like twelve to sixteen, you know.
And but but my exposure to like cool movies and
a lot of like like even country music because I

(14:19):
was like trying to like listen to radiohead, not like
country music people where.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm from listen to dude, yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
And then somebody was like, do you listen to Whylan
and Loretta And I was like the lady with the
motocross like of course, and they were like Loretta.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Lynn, Like yeah, where are you thinking of? Loretta Lyn?

Speaker 5 (14:36):
But property is where the national motocross races were for
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
And that's the first time I went to Loretta Lynn's property.
I was like who is? And I knew coal miner's daughter.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
But I wasn't listening to seventies country music until I
met actually a bunch of my peers at that time
in my like early nineteen to twenties in La But
guy in particular, Zach Cowie, like gave me an iPod
of stuff that just helped me like deep dive into
like seventies.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Outlaw country and go, okay, I do like this. You know,
I loved.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Nineties country, but then everything else just felt and.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
What is seventies outlaws country?

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Coretta?

Speaker 5 (15:12):
I mean, Loretta like was just like a pioneer of
sixties and seventies, but it was Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson,
Chris Christofferson, Johnny Cash, you know, Dolly Parton's early days,
you know, and then it Trent Dotty West and then
it goes into person.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
So I was actually deep diving on stuff like that because.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
I was listening to a Jodie Messina track that's coming
out soon that I sing on, and the original was
you know, there's all these because women were pioneering. Loretta
and Dolly and Dottie West were opening doors for us,
and we know the.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Top five of that era.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, there's a bunch of chicks like you know, like
crooning and writing songs and badam huh you had to
be I'm sure should like be up gau. It's like
working at my first job was at a car dealership,
and I learned to like.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kitty Wells.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, and that's even older that's I think that's the fifties, sixties.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, Kitty Wells, I think, yeah yeah, Karen.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
And I don't know a lot about country. I mean,
we know those names.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Compared to my friends here that are dedicated solely to
country music, neither do I you know what I mean,
They deep dive and they know discography and they're like
Jack Clements wrote all that ship, and I'm like, who
out there? Like I love a lot of the people
that he wrote for because he wrote for them, you know,
not only but you know, the further you go into

(16:34):
a genre, and I still like, I'm like wondering if
I can continue to say I seen country music because
Dan Arbock, Josh Hammie now, butch Walker, like I kind
of make rock songs, but there's no rock genre.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
He made my last record, so you know, yeah, so
the vibe is like.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
And that's my type of mute. That's what I listening to.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
So that's like that's where I go to make like
musical partners. So I'm like, it's not country either, but
that's like a good way to explain it to a
rock person who's like, well, there's a lot of accent
and pedal steel at the to a country person they're like,
or a rock person they're like, well, I don't listen
to country music, but I listened to that, So is
it you.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Know Americana then?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Is that what I guess? So?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
But then Americana now is very all encompassing of like
some bluegrass and stuff, you know what I mean. I
just think, like I like Patty Smith, I like with
Sanda Williams, I like, you know, Patty Loveless. I like
Linda Ronstat, you know, like the just the grittier you know,
Sey Nicks, the grittier bitches. Yeah, and so, and I

(17:41):
was only trying to figure out what Nikki Lane sounded like.
So it's like I'm you know, I'm I'm not. I
don't want to be compared to too many. And I
listen to a lot of dude artists, you know, like so,
and then you see what makes things Americana or pop
country or whatever. It's just similarity sometimes. And so I'm
hung in a weird spot, and I do think it's

(18:01):
a good thing.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
You know, it doesn't mean great.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Some people don't know where to put me, you know,
on the radio or something like that.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
But well, you do stand out number one.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Your voice is very specific, like there's no one else
that sounds like you.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
I'm very like you know who don't think when yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
When you hear your music, you're like, oh, that's thank
you land right there, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, and just like exactly who you are the all
encompassing to it was just.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
An individual and to be a character without being like
a gimmick. Yeah, I think it's like another thing that's hard.
You know, you wanted to find what it is, but
you want to come off stage and not have.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
To like sure you want it to peel it off.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
And so then when did you come to Nashville And
was it always like when did you become a singer?

Speaker 3 (18:47):
When did you decide to be a singer?

Speaker 5 (18:49):
So I do think like formatively, like you know, when
my parents were divorcing and I was like separating out
of like a very chaotic household into like a single
mom environment. Like my granddad was like very much like
he would take me to like the Mountain Music Shop,
which was like dull summers and like, and he listened
to a lot of gospel and like Appalachian like mountain music.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
So I was.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Listening and I was keen to music through like my
neighbors listening to classic rock, my mom being into motown
and country, and my dad being in not you know.
So I was definitely absorbing and in choir. But I
did not identify as like a singer. But I know
that choir and in church and in school was like
pretty life saving retrospectively, just because it like it open

(19:30):
in a healthy environment and gave me like a place
where like I had to get better at it, you know,
Like I remember Miss Wardlaw, like in my mind she
had a ruler when you didn't hit your thing, but
it wasn't like aggressive, it was like a you know,
but it was like but I was like got it,
Like I said, the guessaid the other day, I want
a gym instructle. That's kind of like I'm charging you
if you're late, and I'm like god time when I

(19:52):
go like like I'll push it.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
But I remember, yeah, I remember Perry's boot camp.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Why do you think that's a business yellow or something?
But I you know, I remember like wanting to do
good in that, you know. And then I moved on
and I was a single mom's kid, Like I had jobs,
always jobs, jobs, jobs. So when I moved to La,
like I worked as a waitress and I worked as
a nanny, and I was like jobs, jobs, jobs, So

(20:19):
I didn't start playing music till I was twenty five.
I was actually probably twenty three and twenty four, living
above a coffee shop in LA and I had a
peer that had the same birthday as me. So we
would hang sometimes and he would like strum a guitar
and I would like sing. And so I was writing
my first songs at that point. But I was applying
for a job coming to work for Mark.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Echo in New York.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Wow, we're working.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
At fred Siegel. I wanted to start a brand, and
so I had learned about the retail end, but I
was like, how do you make things cheap enough to.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Like double twice or whatever?

Speaker 5 (20:52):
And I interviewed with True Religion and American Apparel and
all these people who wanted to give me like thirty
five grandy here. But I was making like fifty grand
a year selling jeans to like, you know, like chill
it that you know, and doing really good for a
high school dropout, young person who knew that I just
wanted to like change my trajectory or whatever right, And

(21:12):
I went to New York to work for Mark Echo.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
There was like a make believe position.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I was like design, Like I was like helping in
development of them taking on a women's line, and I
was making up name. It's kind of like a creative director,
but not a lot of play no.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
No.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
I think I used like eight fonts in my pitch
letter to this nice what was I doing? It looked
really cool, but like what I would feel like story
about eight thoughts.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Like I was like, and I will be great. You know,
it was awesome, but I got the job.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, but they were doing sixty thousand units per skew
and then they were putting it into like Macy's. And
then they were moving it like faster than Tommy Hilpinger
or any of their competitors, because there was like a
you know, we do restocks every four weeks on the floor.
And he's like, not if it's not moving, the guy
seth Gershberg, And I was like, okay, well, and he's like,
you know, if it's not moving, you get it into
the outlet.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
And I was like, you bought an outy. It just
seemed like very like smart, you know.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
And then and I made a joke at that time
because I wanted to have a Gene brand, and now
I'm like, I'm a Gene.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Willie kind of did it for me, like I'll just
wear their jeans and not like figureut how to do
idea of that shit.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
But that was my like long term dream and I
but I joked, and I could sell more genes if
I was famous, I guess, you know. But I wrote
a record making like talking in jest about my ex
boyfriend at the time, like I was very upset with him,
and so we broke up and I wrote ten songs
mouthing off and then I got a record deal for it,
and so and then I married the guy, and so yeah,

(22:39):
we had this young twenties like short lived marriage.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But he's still my buddy, you know.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
I just think we were both Southern and based on
like his upbringing and even just like my own like
dream ideal. You know, what I thought I wanted as
a twenty five year old was like, let's do it,
you know, like let's just do we can both just
do all the dumb hard shit together.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think that works in a lot of things.
It doesn't mindset well, and the archetypes.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Have to match and like and also like, that's very
hard if all that works for two people to pursue
creative fields.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
At the same time.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Is he a musician and I was making a record,
you know truthfully at the time to say I could too,
because I was like, didn't like, you know, how things
were going. So I just was like, I'll show you
what I will do. And I really I said, I
like this to talk about something silly to get out
of like spite or defiance.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know. But but I also.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
And then like as like I matured and grew up,
Like my granddad passed away slightly before my dad, and
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Did you get a lamb? Did you have the lamb store?
Real quick?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I didn't go.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
I didn't go to his funeral because there were two
and this was the like one that didn't believe in me.
And I was like, and I felt that as a kid,
you know, like he wanted me to be an engineer,
not a fashion person or not a music you know,
safe bet safe, bet know, and so and I was
like the black Sheep with my dad.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I was like, whatever I want, whatever I want.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Was there ever a moment.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Where you're like, well, maybe I should think about going
to school to be an engineer.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
I dropped out because of all of the family dynamics
and how toxic my family environment was as a young adult.
So I was like, that wasn't even a choice for
me anymore. So I was like, I'm going to still,
but I do think I'm very successful in defiance of
these like ultimately men in my life that were like
telling me.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
You're not to make it, and then I went so
and now I'm.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Cautious of trying to be doing things in defiance anyways,
just because I am very tired from proving points.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
We get really tired, you know of it.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
So I'm just like now I'm just like I don't care.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
How can I do what I want to do and
how can I build a team of things that I
want to do so that I don't do things to
I don't need to prove anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I don't think I ever did, but I did try to,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
And it takes a lot of your power too to
be able to do that because you're doing it from defiancy.
So it takes like a certain like you have to
prove something. Yeah, and you're proving, and you're proving and
that takes a lot of energy.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
And then I'm just like, okay, now it's chickens.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Now that's like and I'm like, and if you can do,
if you've got an offer good enough, if this makes
enough sense otherwise, like you know, and you'll see. I
love to do things that are not that no one
asked me to do, like renovate your house for you.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Like uh huh.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
And I want to be paid fairly, not like not
like not like as an artist, but like I'm going
to do the job.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
And I will like style a record, like I'll do
things like a music video. Uh well, I'll not.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Get like once and then I'll be like yeah, just
a lot like yeah yeah, but I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Not scared of physical labor.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
But the smartest thing for me to do is to
be able to execute, facilitate, get source the material, like
make sure that it keeps moving, and then get perfect.
It's like, I'm I, I'm not very good at guitar.
I don't I'm.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Gonna try to get better at it, but I'm not
very good at it by myself.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
I just assume it's hard for me, and I hate
doing things I'm bad at, but I'm gonna try.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
But I'm gonna try guitars.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I'm trying so hard to get better.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
I'm trying to play some like me duo and trio
shows and I'm like forty one, and I'm like scared
of guitars.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
You got this, No, you got this, you got this,
you got this.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
You can play guitar.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I do all the time.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
If there's any if there's anyone else there moving, I'm
like yeah, and I just do it.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
But the second I can hear it, my brain is.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
Like wrong note like taxes like you and because I'm
just ady d so it's like if I can't hear it,
I'm just like I got it and I go. But
the second My point is I hire fantastic musicians to
do something that I've tried to do for many years
and haven't gotten better at it. But I can use
a jigsaw skill, soll you know, back up a tray

(27:00):
her like you know, you name it, you know, drive
as many gears as there isn't a machine, just tell.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Me like what you know what? But I can't.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
She can't.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
She looks like she's.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Like but but you know there are certain things that
you lean in on the froze for so I but
I love to solve a problem, build a team, produce
an event, something that because I want the extra money
without leaving my house, because I want to, and because
I just kind of look good, we can do it.
And you're always doing some kind of projects.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's good for me.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, you can't sit still?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Why would I tell? Yeah, I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Actually by the time it said.

Speaker 6 (27:59):
Yeah, sure, I see you at ninety years old, the
same exact person.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I know.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I like energy and that's the stuff that that's a
ship that keeps you young.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
And my new song says, it's funny how your dreams
can turn to dust, but if you don't keep moving,
you'll rust you know, because it's true. I wrote that
with Megma Crea and Ben Chapman. They helped me with
that cleverness. But but it's I feel like there's like, uh,
you know, do it?

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Why you can't? And then you know, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
What someone like will be proud.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's where I look now, like your video with.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
The doctor Pepper Lady and she's like one hundred and
four and they're like, what do you do? And she's
like a drink two doctor Pepper's a day, and he
needs like is that good for you? And she's like, well,
I had a doctor and like three husbands that told
me it was.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Bad for me, and they'd and they're all dead.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, you know, he said, that's not a mini coke,
that's a mini doctor Pepper.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
She does it. Oh, she was like a thing.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
I keep doing it because like that was my like
crack when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I was like, like, you know.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
My dad what a psycho. He would give me one
hundred dollars for everyone.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's too sweet. It's really sweet.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
But my dad give us one hundred dollars bill and
we could go into the bilo and like get you know,
prep up for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was the grocery store.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
And we get back and I get like three or
four boy magazines like you know, like Jonathan Taylor Thomas
or something, and get like a pop gun or something,
and like some icys in the little tube and a
steak for my dad and some baked potatoes, like six
frozen pizzas and we would and we would and that
would be like the weekend.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like a bag of candy.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
You just go buck Wild at my dad's house and
from Friday to Sunday, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is a long way.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, especially back then, Yeah, back in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, you know, I was like a hustler at.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Like six, so I'd like spend sixty two and like
pocket Obviously.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
I know I'm doing the work.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm taking a hut to circle back to the question.
I'm not sure that you answered, how did you like
get into music? I was giggling because I got cheated on.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I wrote a record to despite someone.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
How did Nashville? Oh how did you come here?

Speaker 5 (30:20):
I got a record deal and and I had just
gotten married to Joe, And I said, you know, I
don't want to you know, I didn't want to, like,
but I was like, I got to go. I can't.
I can't tour from Brooklyn, like I don't have I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Oh yeah, I was sorry. I was living in New York, Okay,
copy that, working for Marketco.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
I moved from Lan Yeah, well no, I quit. And
I was working actually at what goes wrong Comes around.
I was working at the gutter a bowling alley. I
was working at Brooklyn Bowl. I was like, I work
as few hours as possible and like eat and like
try to be a country singer. And and my friends,
I have a lot of friends, maybe not a lot
of friends from twenty years ago, but like six or

(30:59):
eight from that time period that are like remember you
were like I'm going to be a country singer. And
I was like, but I am like why is that why?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
But I did. I just turned. I said, I'm gonna
try it. I'm just gonna try it.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
We knew you as this one.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
And my thing has always been like close, what go
back to South Carolina if it doesn't work, So, yeah,
go back to LA. If it doesn't work, try just
try or shut up, but don't talk about something and
not try unless you just can't. Like obviously there's like parameters,
well you know, but it's like if you can just try, yeah,

(31:33):
you know.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
And so I was like I just want to go,
like that's what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
So we came and it was like I said, like
I got here at a good time, like a lot
of good things happened, you know, like yeah, two thousand
and nine. I remember like twenty ten. We moved here
in October, okay, and so and I got here and
like things kind of fell into place.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
It was rickety, you.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Know, but it was like but I looked still back
at like the budgets of the first like six tours,
and like they were bad, you know, but they doubled,
you know, and like and then sometimes they can't double
anymore because it becomes like a decent amount of money.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
But it's like, but I like it.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
We I had to say, because I because I want
to share those budgets with like young artists that are
like I'm gonna lose seven grand and I'm like, yeah,
you're gonna lose thirty two tours from now, and you
know that sounds impossible because you don't have it, you know,
but like some stupid thing's gonna happen. Yeah, you're gonna
be fine, and then you're gonna go yeah, and then
you're gonna keep going. Oh no, and then eighties like

(32:29):
only halfway, So that sounds crazy.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Do you pick like your openers or anything or do
you I.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Haven't even headline aligned in Forever.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's where I'm at a a new I'm at a
new spot for myself because I had the blessing of
like opening for Chris Stapleton for like years, opening for
Lona del Rey, opening for orble Peck and creating this.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Really cool trajectory.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
But then but then like would be tired after touring
and go and everybody else is going home, and I
wouldn't headline. And so now we're headlining for the first
time like in years, like two or three years, since
the records are just four days in April, because then
I start feeding out records. So this will be the
teasers for the record are coming probably right when this
whatever this is coming four weeks great crazers will be here,

(33:16):
yea and so and so we'll be moving into a
record cycle and it'll be and it'll be fun. And
so then I'll start kind of paying the dues that
I kind of accidentally skipped over the last few years,
like I didn't take much time off, but.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I still have to go sell my own ticket, and of.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Course I'll pick my openers, but they kind of picked
themselves because it's only you know, like I look at
Stapleton and he has they have three or four people
at a time, and that kind of rotates as people work.
But like it's not like favorite as on I swear,
it's like trusted partners, you know, where it's like right
now Cotton Clifton, who's my guitar player, is putting out

(33:50):
a record and he'll open for me as Leroy from
the North Lee or Eli Wolfmeier had done years before,
where it's like, hopefully he'll quit this year and that's
only because he'll be a successful position. Yeah, So it's
been Yeah, so it's been fun to play with him,
you know, but as his record comes out, like he'll
open for me and then probably have to leave and

(34:14):
that will suck, and then it won't you know, someone
else will want to play guitar and that'll be fun.
Or we'll find ways to make both things work, which
is also great.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
You know what I mean. But it's like, but it'll.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Be cool to see because that's the point of what
he's doing. Yeah and so and but just other than that,
leaving room for a lot of cool people that in
our environment that want to go, you know, but always
like based on when they should go, you know what
I mean, Like you got to be working something to
want to go. Sure, not make a bunch of money
and like have those first budgets, you know what I mean.

(34:46):
But you can see the opportunity in merch like I
love my fan is like because I've opened for a
lot of really cool like a Stapleton, but also like
early days of getting into open for Shaky Graves. So
I just saw from ten years and then Social Distortion
and like, yeah, it's it's a good variety of people
picked up a lot of people opening for Old ninety

(35:08):
seven Jenny Lewis. But it's like you get to open
for these people who have.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Social and is like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I think Shane has asked me.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
And then you know, I got to open for Mike
Nest I think that was the first time.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
My band played the Many.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, And it's like but those were like things that yeah,
like so it's like you grow up listening I open
for Spiritualized, which was like I used to make out
to a record for Spiritual in high school and then
I got to open for them, and it's like the perspective,
you know, is like, okay, cool, and then you take
away some of their fans, right, and then you realize
you have your own fan type yeah, just cool, you know,

(35:44):
and but that like that creates its own little like
family of people, you know, and and I think that's neat,
you know. So it's like but mine is cool and loyal,
so I know that, like I can have any kind
of opener come out like punk or bluegrass or whatever,
and everybody's gonna be like her comedy, you know, just
like whatever it takes to make a great show. And

(36:07):
and that's where going back to like doing other projects.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Like with Wade, my future husband and.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
I just got engaged in December and we're getting married
in August, like quick turnaround around, like you know, just
making everything work tetris wise for life and the year.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
He's he like is like a creative director. Essentially.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
He's built two honky tonks that are really popular called
Desert five Spot that's in LA and New York. They're
going to expand to some other locations.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
I don't know, but but they're like, you know, planning
their development as this you know kind of country culture
is like booming. And Wade has an idea for everything
like he and he can actually put it into writing
and like put art around it. And so it's really
fun to partner with him on like production events, and
like we're doing an event for Patron the second year
this year around Stage Coach and it's we do a

(37:04):
barbecue and we do a swim soup swim like poolside
party on Sunday, and we kind of like booking a
really cool festival where a lot of our peers come out,
but like you just can't be on grounds all the time,
you know what I mean, So we do like a
little pre and kind of like wrap up for everybody,
and it's just fun to like you put all those
little creative ideas together, you shine a light on a
bunch of old like a new artists. You try to

(37:26):
get someone big to stop by, You try to get
the chain.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Stitch guy to come, you know.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, yeah, together all those little organic connections.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
And an amazing collaborative too.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like it's fine.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
And then we have an art director and Mays who's
like my right hand we like project man, and like
we're just trying to build these little experiences, you know
what I mean, And it's.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Just become its own.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, that's that's what my year looks like. Whatever, Wait
and I want to.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't think i've met him, but I wait, maybe
I did it your Christmas Christmas.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
He was probably like there's a lot of girls like
now that He's like, we have a Christmas party where
we merged like sisters the salon that's in the building
that I have my store in, and it's like just
the henhouse.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Though, and it's like, yeah, that's where I met.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, he'll get like some flowers or do something and
then jet for a little bit so that we remember there,
you know, because you never know, like Jody always put
something crazy in the Secret Santa.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, you guys, the biggest I can't believe I didn't
take it. I don't smoke weed, so I was like,
why would I. It was a jar of weed, the
biggest jar of weed I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
And I when I got it, I was like, I mean.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
And they everyone's like.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Like like, I'm like the covert killer. I got all
her care products that she brought. But I'm like, just
don't say anything, kind of like put it aside.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, I think I brought a bunch of wind up
getting No.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
It's so fun to see everybody kind of go hand
over one thing, might try to get away from the
goofy thing.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
That's where I met Graham though, Graham Nation, who just died.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I didn't know that. Yeah, okay, well this is just
like a shocker.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah really yeah, at your house because he did the
he taught a class at Sister.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Swan he passed away. Yeah, I didn't know, yeah, like
maybe two months ago.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
He didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
He's a hair like a huge hairstylist and Ela.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, and I went to her house for Christmas and I.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Was like, so he must have been Amelia's friend.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yes, And I was like, what the fuck are you
doing here? Because I follow him on Instagram but I've
never met up before. And he was just so randomly
like at your house and I was like, hey, what
are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
You see I know?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, and he was like, oh, I was just chanting
a class at Sisters and somewhere he was in town
with his scissor rat.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, And we talked for like a long time and
he's just such a doll and we just like followed
each other on Instagram. But yeah, it was just so
devastating because he's literally he's younger than us, and it
was just.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Such a random he just dropped out of the gym.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, maybe it was like devastating because like they're well,
I think he may have gotten into a car.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Accident that morning.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh really, But.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Then was like I'm fine, I'm fine. And then went
to the gym and.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Hit his head.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, it's tragedy.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
And he just had a baby, he just got married.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Oh god.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
He was like such a kind, sweet angel.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
But he actually knew a lot of Nashville people randomly
because I saw a lot of Nashurville people posting about
it when it happened.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
But just his art is unity one.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Yeah, and a lot of come here from, you know,
like they move around between the cities, and National has
become one of those.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And how many people that like I circle back from,
like when I lived in l A for so long,
and then they're like here, I've met met them in
New York or like this community, isn't that that's no.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, it's billy.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah, it's it's small.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
It'sall yeah, what she.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Everybody knows something, especially if you lived in New York
or l A too, from New York and spent many
many years in.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
New York, and you just realize you all know all
the same. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, it's the same ship.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
You're like you yeah, you That's where I struggle when
we travel, Like we'll be at south By in Austin,
They'll be like you don't remember me, And I'm like,
to live in Detroit and they're like, yeah, I don't like. Well,
like it's it's like when you move people around, you're
supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, you live in Detroit, live in Detroit.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Why are you here?

Speaker 5 (42:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I get all the time, you look like like you
look so familiar. You look so familiar. I think I
have a doppelganger.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
I get all the time, All the time, I think.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I have a doppelganger. You probably do too.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
People come up to me.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
I had a full blown conversation with somebody who I
had no idea who it was, but they knew me.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Fine, that's me too.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
No, they like were like, oh my god, it's you.
And I was like it's me and they're like, how.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
With me?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Whoever I am?

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Who is this person?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Blah blah blah, Right, like how is blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah, I just went with it.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
I didn't I it wasn't you, it wasn't me, It
wasn't mean Yeah, she know, now I would know.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
I would know.

Speaker 6 (42:50):
Although I did have sex with a guy that I
guess I went to community college with and he came
up to me at a party and he.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Was like, oh my god, Mari, it's me. And I
was like you and we went. He was great. He
was so much funy, he was so cute.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
I had such with him, like weeks later, I know,
and I was like, I have no idea this person is,
but like we shared a lot of time together, Like
are you.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Sure you know we did?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Because days later I clicked.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
A week later, I went, oh my god, oh my god,
I know exactly who he was.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Well, it took me a.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
While sometimes from like my New York day, like when
you have like work, friends and stuff, and like there's like.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
What happened when I was eighteen or twenty two?

Speaker 4 (43:32):
You're probably you're like us. We've lived like thirty lives around.
I don't remember a lot.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Do you change your hair?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah you do that. Oh if you change your hair?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, you're hour. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Oh no, I know I know that you change your hair.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I know you change your hair. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Yeah, I'll program you now.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Now I'll try again.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Started fucking around next time.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, oh my god, are you in your store a lot?

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Your story is No, I need to, like I just
need to, like, you can only do so many things good,
so but I have finally, I have a girl called
Taya who's like crushing it at the store, and it's
like you just have to have And now it's like Taya, Maddie,
Jess and Felicity's in and out because like we only.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Have room for so many girls. But you want the
girls to.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Like care and like for a while, like you're just
like it's up to y'all, like you know what I mean,
Like I can't be there, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
But it's like that's tricky.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Most vintage stores are like and then there's money left
for profit. We've never profited, Like it's like it's yeah,
and to be.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Owner operated, like you know what I mean. And I'm like,
and I.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Need you girls to care like it's yours and it
could be like i'd probably give some of it today.
It just so she loved it like I love it, Yeah,
but you gotta like it's its own thing.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
So it's like I'm ready to this.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Year, like tune back in because retail has been really weird.
It's like ye, and everything's been meta or whatever you
call like the Facebook world.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
It's like they learned in my opinion, I know, nothing.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
But I think I think this is pretty accurate that
in twenty twenty they learned how much money we could
make from e comm directly, and then they change that
to where like you have to pay for visibility, which
is all like makes sense.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
It's capitalism what it means.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
You know, but but it doesn't work like algorithmically for
my business because I have one of something. So Seramesist
is like dead in the water. Because if I want
to sell, you know, a flat iron, you know, we
can say, okay, let's go right now and manufacture ten
thousand flat irons and then pay a formula to promote

(45:32):
this flat iron. Un let's sell out of them, and
that's possible, but we can't do.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That with little shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
So it's like the little businesses are like choked out,
you know, so that I can sell tickets, but it's
hard to sell tickets to a specific place because they
want They're just using a formula that doesn't work if
I can only sell you know, two hundred or one
of the vintage t shirts. So I'm like, how do
you work around it? I always say like, is it
a per problem or is it a parameter? Because if

(45:59):
I make it the like like the thing have to
get around, Yeah, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
So like the store needs to get.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Around Amazon and things that don't really aren't really relative
to my store but have affected my store.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah, sure, no totally.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
And I'm like I just hold on because like it
sucks for years, you know, in the economy or whatever.
And I'm like, we'll just keep given enough money to
stay open and like it's going to have it.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I just keep pulling, like do you pull, do you
find stuff or do.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
I'm like the sole buyer of the vintage stuff. But
I was like, that's like not even working if it's
not selling. So now we're back to like a little
bit of vendor dealing where like we have this like
great silver brand called the Hobby Americaana from Tucson because
I can't source twenty five thousand dollars of silver.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
It's amazing. It's a whole cabinet of it. And it's
like that's.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Where it's coming from, in a good like where they
can still get some meat on the bone, as.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
You'd say, like a good margin.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
And it's like I need that dealer to come in
and like I will like I'm going to keep the
lights on.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
We're gonna like curate everything.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
We're going to do great instagrams, but like we need
their inventory to have enough to like build it back
up to where it should be because I can't go
fine unless I'm touring one hundred dates and I don't
want to do that.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I just said, I want to do chickens, so, you know,
to get a more like it's like you know.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
And so, but it's like so now I'm looking at
different ways to source and make it like representative of
like whatever our brand is, which is like essentially like
all the cool characters, you know, it evolves.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I have a question because I like never can really
like wrap my brain around like if I were on
the road all the time, it feels like I would
have such a hard time like taking care of myself.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Okay, no, I'm trying, but but but that's why I'm
like I think I have to. Like I saw someone
this morning post like I've been gone for a month
and I'm excited to get back into my routine, and
I kind of like was like, do I have any
routines routine?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Like did I lose those? You know what I mean? Yeah,
Like I was like my skin is like I'm like
I love like I don't actually love putting on the makeup, but.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
I'm like I love like looking good. But then I
go to bed and I'm like, someone come and like I.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Got to send you a power wash.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
My face or something so that I can just lay here.
You know.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
It's like that repetitiveness is like almost and then I'm
like and then I'm like, okay, you got to get
that dermal logica like lightweight like resurfacing it. Yes you do,
because oh yeah I left that yes right in the holiday.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Oh no not really, but you know what i mean.
But that comes your and then I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Well, you have to have an at home situation, and
then you have to have a tour which I make
up want situation like a pill vial.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Right like where it's like someone makes me like fourteen
of them and like there's a because I don't want
to have a bunch of packs. Then I'm like what
am I going to just live off travel sizes kind of?
But then like then you get into like, yeah, no
you just have a separate that's actually good. Yeah, yes,
I'm saying but it needs to be but it needs
to be daily because if I can't, if I can't,
if I'm gonna leave it by accident, I'm pretty good

(49:03):
at not leaving stuff anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
But it's like that it's the toll of the road,
you know.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Is that like your sonic here is in a Hilton
garden and they threw it away, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
And it's like, so you.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Start to like whittle down what you need to survive,
and then you start to sacrifice like mental health or
you know, fucking taking.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Care of your skin or whatever, you know.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
And so that's where I'm, like I said it the
other day, like I'm really starting to also tune into
like women and just having literally hormone surges to get
through a month as a ovulating woman, like versus the guy.
My guy friends handle success and stressed differently than me.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
And I used to think it was just.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Alpathy, but I also think it's lack of raging hormone
like where I'm just like, oh, they are stressed, they
just don't have like like you know, when I'm like
trying my period is really coming.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Only I can say that I'm just kidding, but you
know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
But it's like I see why it's hard to be
gone and experiencing like you know, what's wrong with me?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I know.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
You're not having a hard.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Day, Paul, but he is, you know, he's human, you know.
But but it's like I do think such a goof.
He's so funny.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
He's such a goof.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
He's like he has a cancer scare, and like I'm
watching there being yeah, he had like I think it's
thyroid cancer and I think it's gonna be okay. I
think it's gonna be okay. But but they're like like
they're exercising and I'm like, you know, like you've got
to get through that. But then there's this a side
of look at how this routine will start, because it has.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
To you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Where I'm like I need to, I want to, I
want to get on a treadmill.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Do it, you know, but you're like a lot to
like remind you to go do that when you're like,
you know, So that's where I've been staying home and
I've been like to be I.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Have to get just to be a part of your lifestyle.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
You have to, like that's why you incorporate important things
and routine so you just make it like it's brushing
your teeth.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
The ruler to come over.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
I'll be a ruler.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
You want me to be a ruler if you would
train me. We can't. I'm going to get my training.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
You need to be a person.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
I'm going to get my GC's license. I'm not getting
it either, like just training.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I'm going to fake GC your house. You're going to
fake train me.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
I really want to train people.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Get just forbility, for liability reasons.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Yeah, I got I already have programs that I can.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I mean, I'm not kidding. It's just like I need
and then I know now that I could take that
on the road.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
If it's simple, you know what I mean, Because it's
really just and I move constantly like I'm like my
legs are already like oh, it's from carrying rocks.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Yeah you look at you look Yeah, you don't stop. Yeah,
but we just got to get that.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Like I try to live something the other day and
with my legs and I was like like I was
like trying to like get up on a step yeah,
And I was like, you can do it, leg And
I was like.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
You can do it.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
You got Quad listen, Quad Listen where'd you go? You
guys have your help today.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
It's heavy.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Well also like for what you do, you're constantly moving.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
You've got chicken clue, you got a farm, you got
your your just your music, you got your everything. Yeah,
lifting and like exit like is going to make you
so much stronger to be able to do to give you.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Your life the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, I'm for that.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Not stop with in your head. You want your body
to like match what's going on.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
See, I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna be good at guitar.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, you might get better at the guitar.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, I will smack.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Finger, will get stronger. I will give finger exercises, finger exercises.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, that's a weight on your finger.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
That's so cute.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Put a little like sweat that.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I'm just getting good at guitar.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Like yeah, oh is that?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I don't know. They were just trying to keep us there,
like just keep on. There's no internet, so there's.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
No exercise for everything, like exercises for your friend.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Come on, does that work?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Love that woman?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I'm going to do the boat talks and they'll work
out and.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Let's do it Together's work on our face.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Actually does it all feels okay? I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Okay, you have an album coming out, you're gonna have
I have an.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Album coming out, and all this is going to come
out this year.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
And then you're headlining for two seconds.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Yeah, well I'm going to be doing my headline shows
this year. Hell yeah, visiting all these my favorite haunts.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
And why did I Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:01):
And is this April? Your headline in April?

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Yeah, I'm coming out of Seattle and Portland and then
working my way down through San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Longer than a second.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Well, it's just like a little seconds.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Stage is the most fun.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Stage actually is the most like.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
That's like and that was like important this year because
we worked so hard.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
You could just jet set in April.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
What on earth could you not go for just come on,
it's a few days so much.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I can say open area to do one of these
like out there? What if it was like touch up?
Does stagecoach touch up? You could touch me? Be really
kind of good.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
We get your workout in, we touch you up.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
We have a long podcast, Situations Influencer House.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
I've had some of those girls want their touch up
come on. They all do wis okay, fine, have your abel,
which is just like me right now kind of well,
they just like have any like any celebrities or anybody
that's going or brands that want to do things like that.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
They'll go through an agency so they'll know before.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
That would be awesome. Yeah, I'm not kidding.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Okay, what is it? April?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
What April? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Tomorrow, twenty three, tomorrow, tomorrow, twenty tomorrow, April tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
It's good. You're very smart. Like, wow, you guys are
gonna look like teleported based on the social media.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
I know.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, you're like, you know what we'd morrow?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I know.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Back your bag? Great, I love it. Five. Stop doing that.
Just where are you going? I'm like, where are you going?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
It's probably again shooting her special.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I'm so excited Jesus and.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Going to be a really good one.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
My nail is broken under my nail and I'm just
just it hurts.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I just like smashed it yesterday. And the feeling your nails.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
I think it's I think it's I think it's Yeah,
I don't think it's I that's anymore.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
I know that feels.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
I'm gonna ignore it for a few more days.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
You know what, though, sometimes when it's sometimes it feels
worse like you think it is because it's happened to
be before. I'm like, it's gone, and then you take
it off and you go, Okay, it's still there. Yeah,
it's still there.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
It's it's sad under there. That's the thing, is the
long nails. And then like the manual labor, they're not
really hard.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I will plant and pot and do all the things
without gloves on because.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I'm just don't care.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I mean, I do that, I don't care.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
I won't handle meat anymore with my without gloves on,
with the nails creepy out.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I'm giving my break, I believe with gloves on.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
But just like that's the other reason why I'm bad
at guitar, because I will not cut my nails short
enough to be good at guitar, and I apologize for
it on stage to people, and I don't think that
they think that's appropriate.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
You were going to get good at guitar.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah, you're going to feel where.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You're gonna Yeah, you're gonna lift and you're gonna get
good at the guitar and all your endeavors.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Yeah, because I'm opening for Sierra Ferrell like all through
the Fall.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I love her as a trio, so it's like tough enough.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Or wait, who's the third.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
It'll probably be me and Cotton and Ben for some
of them, and then me and Kelly and Juliet for
some of them, because there's different configurations of a trio.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
That feels good and everybody wants to go open with me.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
For Sierra, that sounds so fun, but we need to
keep it mellow so that like.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
We can because I want to run around with her.
It's really listen.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
Sometimes the art is the musician job is to facilitate
the dreams.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I wish you friend and you cook out a day.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Or something like with the baby, I can hold a baby,
she can hold a baby.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Baby my makeup, it's not nice.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I'll really not with a newborn.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
Newborn, but did I baby goes You're gonna be like,
oh my god, I missed that newborn stage.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
All they do is just sleep and then they'll cry
and put them on your tip. Newborns.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Actually it's great.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Okay, yeah, we'll see we'll.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
See little baby in one hand, chicken and the.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Other chicken on the tip. But the baby on the tip.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Reason to get you out of stage coach this year? Yeah,
this is like the get on out chicken.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Okay, first chicken, So you know, I don't know. I
don't know. I don't know what that means either. Ducks
don't have chickens.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
Well, they're like in creation, was there a chicken or
an egg? An egg comes from a chicken, but the
chicken comes from the egg.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
So what was first? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:39):
What do you think was first? Is it.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Or something? I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I just know, I just I just don't know, you know.
I don't like, is it like glass half full or full?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Have you heard of the band alien Ant Farm? I
figured out how they got their name. I was high,
and I I was like, okay, okay, what if if
every star is a sun?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
It's a lot of suns, it's true.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Okay, Well technically aren't they I think?

Speaker 5 (59:11):
So okay, I don't think they all have planets obviously. No,
every star is the son. That's what I was told,
Every stars the son. What if we are someone's science
project and we're just like in their garage, like in
a little like clear like crab like terium hermit crapture area,
and we are little ants in their science project.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Are Farms.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Wow, I had that idea and I was like, that'd
be a great band. Whoa somewhere already did that.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Yeah, But I was like, is that They were like,
because that's how I got there.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I want to talk to that guy.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Yeah, because I was like and obviously, I God, I'm like,
I'm not going to deny it because I see it
for keeps humanity together and apart.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
It's confusing.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Absolutely, it's a lot going on up there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
It's a lot. There's a lot, but I just don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
And so when you said if I had a band
named Alien Art and Farm, did you also say I
would do a cover of Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Of Alien cover of Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
So that's the that's the vibe. But no, but I'm like,
it's a big it's a.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
It's a big world knowing as much of it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
It doesn't matter a thing. No, nothing does, really, nothing does.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Jim Carrey said, what do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Nothing matters? Good morning, good afternoon, and good night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
My first record was called All or Nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
And if you listen to the lyrics, like I was like,
you know, pretty smart with some of my lyrics.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I didn't even notice what but but it's the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
It's like you will be held responsible for accountable for
all or nothing, Like you should just live as if
it could be all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And we're the alien.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
That's a fun up thing. We're aliens. Other people, where
are the aliens? To them, there were aliens up there.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
They're like, look at you guys, weirdos, all doing so weird?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
What's ekon? What are the Kardashians. It's so stupid. We're
freaked out by you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Yeah, all we have to do is just go okay,
and we're we did it. We did already. We've been
here so much longer than you have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
They set We just.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I don't know. We're about to get hide.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
We don't know. We're gonna weed outside.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
We're gonna do an creative stuff, and we're just gonna
live as.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
If the most were there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Is someone telling me whether or not I get into
the next layer. I'm gonna live as well as I
can to be able to get in and be like, dude,
what I did?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
My bests like are you kidding me? Like we are? Ye?
You know, and then I'm like a squirrel next or something.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
All right, well, let's go make that happen and then
come back in here and shoot another podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I actually want to hear that. Yeah, that's funny. I
feel like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
About oh my god, everyone walk I we never.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Know what we talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
It's yeah, we just have really conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
We're literally just filming, uh, normal conversation that Mari and
I would have with people that we would have conversations
with anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
So is it a.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Podcast or is it not chicken or egg egg or
chicken chicken egg.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
We have no idea selling this ship. Is a podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Touch Up? Yes, exactly, See.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You later, bye later, bye bye. Thank you guys so
much for tuning in to the touch Up Podcast. Please
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