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September 18, 2025 74 mins

This week, we are delighted to share an episode of the 10% Happier podcast, which is hosted by bestselling author Dan Harris and features world-class insights and practices from experts in modern science and ancient wisdom. 

Dan’s guest, for the second time, is Zen Buddhist monk and Way Out Is In co-host Brother Phap Huu, who discusses his burnout and how he recovered – and how you can, too.

The episode was recorded during early summer 2025, and first released on July 2nd 2025.

Together, Dan and Brother Phap Huu discuss:

  • Why people are busier and more susceptible to overwhelm than ever before 
  • Why monastics aren’t immune to burnout
  • The way that  busyness is thrust upon us by contemporary lifestyles, but is also a result of us running away from the things we don’t want to face
  • Practical tools for addressing busyness and burnout 
  • Why doing nothing is an art
  • The importance of perspective – and how contemplating your mortality can provide this 
  • The practice of total relaxation
  • How to maintain healthy boundaries without adopting mental armor
  • Ways to say no without annoying people
  •  How to protect ourselves in toxic environments.

And much more.

Related Episodes:

‘The Buddhist Case for Laziness (And How It Can Make You More Productive) | Brother Chân Pháp Hữu

Your Negative, Ruminating Mind: Here’s Your Way Out | Sister Dang Nghiem

‘The Antidote to Mindless Eating with Br. Chan Pháp Lưu’

‘Six Buddhist Strategies for Getting Along Better with Everyone | Sister True Dedication’

‘How to Suffer Well – So You Can Suffer Less | Brother Pháp Dung’


Co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/  

And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/

With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/


List of resources 

10% Happier with Dan Harris
https://www.danharris.com/s/10-happier 

Being with Busyness: Zen Ways to Transform Overwhelm and Burnout
https://www.parallax.org/product/being-with-busyness/  

Calm in the Storm: Zen Ways to Cultivate Stability in an Anxious World
https://www.parallax.org/product/calm-in-the-storm/ 

Interbeing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing 

Brené Brown
https://brenebrown.com/ 

‘Daily Contemplations on Impermanence & Interbeing’
https://plumvillage.org/daily-contemplations-on-impermanence-interbeing 

‘Recommendation’ (poem)
https://plumvillage.org/articles/recommendation

Thay’s Poetry: ‘Please Call Me by My True Names’ (song and poem)
https://plumvillage.org/articles/please-call-me-by-my-true-names-song-poem


Quotes

“To cope with fears and insecurities, the premature hero has to stay busy all the time. The destructive capacity of nonstop busyness rivals nuclear weapons and is as addictive as opium. It empties the life of the spirit. F

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