202: W&W and NWA and all the cool things!

In this episode we discuss our time at Watches and Wonders, some of our favorite things from and around the show, Vu's new watch, and some of the people we got to see in Geneva!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to this watch LIFE. Hi, I'm Lydia Winters.
And I'm Blue Bowie, and we're back again.
OK, yes, we are late recording this podcast, but it was
actually for all of you because 2.
Weeks late. We were very slow to recover
from watches and wonders it made.
Me feel old. Yeah, I think we are definitely

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getting old. We but OK, so we got this like
cold flu after the convention voices almost gone.
I mean, you can still quite hearit in my voice, but that also.
It wasn't just that we sounded puggish like.
Yeah, it it. Just you can't do a podcast when
you sound like. That no, we saved you, so you're

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welcome for. That.
And but also I've now it's converging on allergy seasons
and just expect this version of me for a while.
It does impress me that last year we were able to do a daily
podcast somehow. Were we just never sick?
No, there were a few times whereI was sick and again I was like

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hello Swatch live so. I don't remember being sick, I.
Don't think it was ever you. It's always me and my voice
going wild with some sort of sickness.
Well, we are here now and forever.
Oh, now and forever. Whoa.
Wow. OK.
That's not too big of a commitment, is it?

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Oh yeah. We're here to talk about some of
our favorite things. Yes, specifically from our time
in Geneva during Watches and Wonders.
Yes, we have listened to so manyawesome podcasts about watches
and wonders, so we can only imagine that all of you have
listened to many Watches and wonders podcasts and you were
like no more. But of course you want to hear

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our opinions on watches and wonders things, so this is the
last one. Yeah, maybe we can round all of
them. I don't think so.
I The thing is watches and wonders.
It's. A big deal because a lot of
brands announce things. It's really about the releases,
about this one week in Geneva. No, no.
And it's not even just about what happened at PAL Expo,

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because a lot of things happenedaround Geneva and we talk about
some of that. So, yeah, yes.
So let's do that. OK.
We have a lot to cover, OK. Let's start with one of, I
guess, kind of my favorite things that I got to not even
see. Oh wow, OK, one of my favorites
that I didn't even get to see. I did.

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I really wish I got to see this one I got.
I talked to multiple people who did get to see it and play with
it. Is the Hermes the horsey watch?
Oh, OK. No, it has like a real name, but
I I'm not going to do a good jobof saying it.
It's the Arco Rockebar Derir. It's €168,000 Watch OK.
It has a horse on the dial and it has really one complication.

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There's a button, you press the pusher and the horse's tongue
sticks out. And it's not like the way that
Ken described it was like, oh, you'd expect you push it and
then it's like a mechanism starts and the tongue just goes
and comes out and then goes backin.
No, it's like a direct connection to the pusher.

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So every time, like no matter how fast you'd push it, the
tongue would just go. This is first of all, that sound
that you just made should also be on the podcast, but it's OK.
But this is part of what I love about romance.
That watch is playful. It's super weird.
Mischievous. I would.

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Say mischievous. It's a It's a complication that
doesn't is not necessary at all.I.
Mean, I would argue that most complications are not necessary,
but yes, this one's even more because it doesn't help you tell
anything. Not it's not even like telling
you the moon phase, which most of us don't need to know.
It's like, no, it doesn't tell you anything.

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It's actually just about being playful, I think.
It's it is. It's a really expensive fidget
spinner. Unless like the tongue was like
one of those mood rings. That would be cool.
Oh no, Flip. It out and then you're like, oh,
the horsey tells you your mood. Yeah, but I think that goes
wrong very quickly. Like that horse's tongue is

(04:24):
green first. Oh yeah, you don't want the
horse's tongue to change colors.No, I think you should not go
work there. I feel like I could help them
with design. But the really fun thing is this
was actually designed based on an Hermes scarf.
Yeah. So it harnessed me, the scarf
and the horse's tongue is sticking out on the scarf, which

(04:45):
is a really fun thing. I have gone on like a deep dive
into Irma's. I'm, I'm very into it right now.
I actually have a new watch thatI haven't even posted yet, which
is in Hermes profile from the 1980s, nineteen 90s.
It's really cool. It's a really cool 2 tone Irma's
old Hermes quartz watch. Really love it.

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I will photograph it soon and and post it.
But I also got to go to the Hermes event that they had on
Monday night of watches and Wonders.
And the thing was I was like I can't wait to see the watches
and see what's coming. But they didn't show any watches
and I thought that was so cool. It's like in the moment.

(05:28):
I guarantee though, you didn't. No, no, no.
I was like where? What the heck?
No, The whole time it's like, where are the watches?
Like a little as as Brit Pierce says, watch gremlin.
Like that was me. I was like, show me the watch
just running all over it. But the thing was what they
actually created was this beautiful experience about like
suspended time. So we actually walked like over

(05:49):
a kilometer underneath and through this museum, all of the
back areas following this one string of light, like this one
light source as kind of like AI mean to call it a rope light is
really underselling. It was very beautiful and and
artistic and gorgeous, but it really was such a magical

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experience and I think it went so well with their new watch
because I love their time suspended watch where the
complication is, again, you havethe time and then if you press
the pusher, it actually moves both hands up to this sort of
it's towards 12, but it's in. This.

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It's not at 12 and it's in the way it's shown on the dial kind
of shows you that this is a suspended time and even when it
has the, you know, a date indicator that goes away.
So it's really about this. Hey, I'm like, no, I'm just in
the moment and I love that. And then when you click it again

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it goes back to the correct time.
And it's all mechanical, Yes, that's what's cool about it.
What I think missed opportunity.Oh boy.
If you ask. Me we heard his take on the
horsey watch so. Mood, mood.
Tongue aside on this one, you ress the button, it goes to
suspend the time, there can be an indicator, it doesn't have to

(07:15):
be where the hands are that tells you and it goes to 1:50.
And for all of us who like to take pictures or watches, it
just goes 10 too. Boom.
Yeah, well, the watch photographers watch, yes, and
that's the complication. You click.
It and instead of just going to this random almost 12 time, it
just puts the hour hand just past 10 and puts them in a hand

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design. Wise, I don't love it.
Functionality for myself as the most useful complication.
For me personally, yes. Maybe you could get it
customized, that could be a piece unique, yeah.
But what I me just like, yeah, what I think is most interesting
about it is just I think that getting to see watches that are

(07:57):
really more about the poetry of time is really cool.
Whether it's something silly like the horse tongue sticking
out and just being playful and fun and like I think that
watches are beautiful and amazing and sometimes fun and
silly and and sometimes, you know, evoke these beautiful

(08:18):
messages. So I really like that they're
playing with both of those concepts in a really fun way It.
It it, it made me look at Hermesdifferently.
I didn't realize that Hermes hadthat sense of humor.
Mm hmm. And and now I did.
Because now I look. Sense of humor is cool.
It is. Cooler.
Now I've looked into it, I've seen some of the purses they
make that look like they have little arms and stuff, and they

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they have ones with wheels on them.
And these are expensive items, but they're very playful and
fun. And I just didn't know that
about them. And I want more watch brands to
do that, Yeah. The playfulness.
The fun. OK, let's move on.
Yes, because we got we got a lotto get through here.
We do. Have a lot.
OK, so. We went to tutor tutors, one of

(09:02):
my favorites it it it should be cleared just by how many tutors
we own actually. Oh, I have a new tutor on my
wrist, but I'll talk about that after.
OK. The B58 Burgundy.
Yes. I I actually thought you were
just going to like you were you?That was it.
You were buying one. Yeah, I was.
Really, really close this week to buying one.

(09:23):
Really, really, really close. Really.
But I felt like I should be a little more responsible and just
think about it. But anyway, the Black Bay 58
Burgundy. So I went to tutor the day
before you got there with Britt Pierce, who came in town just
for the two days we went to the tutor booth.
I mean, when I think of how loudand wild you and I are together,

(09:46):
I don't know, Britt and I, it was just like so much giggling
and like being wild and, and it was super fun.
And Ander, who's their head of design, actually walked us
around and showed us the booth. But then one of the things he
showed us is the original prototype from the 1990s of this
this watch. And so to me, that whole

(10:11):
experience and that day that watch takes on that meaning for
me. Of like this time I spent with
Britt and then getting to spend time with Ander and hear all of
the design thoughts in this backcatalog thing.
When he came in at early into his career at tutor, he saw
these archives. The archives have also been

(10:31):
shown occasionally. I think Hodinki showed it in
2015. So it's like people have kind of
seen this piece, but the brand, as he said, it wasn't yet mature
enough. Like they didn't have enough
kind of Coraline products to make something that is this sort
of out there. And that part I just love.

(10:53):
It's like now they have reached a time period where they can
make these different colors and different things, but this one
is still based on the history. So that part I really like
versus some of the more collaboration watches, maybe
even one that you are currently wearing isn't on based on the
history. And typically I don't care too

(11:14):
much whether it references the history, but in this case, it's
a really great replication of something that they made as a
prototype, which is really interesting.
I. I think it's that like if
something isn't based on history, it's not a negative to
me, but if it is based on something from history, it's a
little extra. It's like a little something

(11:36):
more, yeah. But it's kind of nice.
I did realize when I was at the booth, I saw it in two ways.
I tried it on on the five link, which looks very beautiful.
And then I also tried on Honder had his had one on the rubber
strap and I was like may I see that?
And so I tried that one on also looks great.

(11:57):
When we were visiting Neiman's in Stockholm and they had the
burgundy. I tried it on the three link,
which is the most true to the original, the prototype, and I
think that's actually the perfect version yeah, because
the bright burgundy sunburst like it's it's pretty it's not

(12:18):
all the way to cherry red, but it definitely is No, but it
still is but. When we took it over to the
window, so, OK, seeing it in theTudor booth was one thing, and
then seeing it at Neiman's was another.
But then taking it at Neiman's over to the window to look at it
in daylight, that's when it looked burgundy to me.
Yes. It's like those bright store
lights or booth lights. They they, they added a little

(12:40):
too much shine and that made it look different to me, but.
That's what I felt like the fivelink went a little it like gets
a little too much for me. Even though a friend of the
podcast Watch Girl life Trish, she does have it on the five
link and it does look amazing. She got that watch during
Watches in Wondrous Week, which is really cool.

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I think. I think most of the brands this
year were like, get those watches out, Yeah.
Way more than I've ever seen before.
Which is really really. Cool to have the announcements
and then within a week or two they're they're available to
purchase that's super cool yes so.
This watch is definitely on. I would put this on my one of my

(13:22):
top watches as far as like a watch from watches and wonders
that I may buy like actually buywell.
Since you almost bought it the other day, yeah, I don't think
you've crossed it off. No, no.
No, I haven't. You just.
You're trying this whole try to be responsible.
Usually with you, it just means you wait a little longer before
you buy this, yeah. Maybe I mean.

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I'm just saying. As I described, as you tell this
story, my face is getting like really cool, really red and I'm
like, oh, I do love it. I.
Also, so you know, I, I tend to like a lot of tutors that are a
little bit divisive. This one definitely is not like
an. It doesn't feel like the kind of
core enthusiast because it's so bright.

(14:04):
It's so bright. Yeah, a lot.
Of people are like, oh, that's cool, but I'm not interested at
all. Why can't they make the other
colors in this new thinner case and with the Yeah.
The new case is really nice. Yeah, it's it's got a lot going
for it. Anti fit has come to the BB 58.
There's a lot going for this oneand with the multiple bracelets,
yeah. Anyway, then there was the white

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dial, Black Bay Pro OPA lean dial.
I really like this one. I started mocking it up because
I wanted to do some custom work to what I I, I, I, I, I I've
talked myself down from that, but I really, really like that
watch. And as someone who has owned
multiple Rolex Explorer 2 pullers, you'd think I'd be like

(14:46):
Oh no, this just isn't AS. Yeah.
No, it really, it scratches thatitch in a way that I wouldn't
think it would again, as someonewho has owned the Explorer 2,
like, it's easy to think that's the definitive version of this
style of watch. But then I feel like the Black
Bay just offers something a little bit different.

(15:08):
Yeah. It does.
I think it's funny because when I was on the bus and Tudor's
website was crashing when they released the watches and there
were a lot of people around me were headed into Powell Expo and
everyone's like trying to see what the new watches are.
I call you, you're like, what are the new releases all like?

(15:28):
It was super cool. And I was like, oh, there's a
cool it. Wasn't loading for me.
There's a. Cool red one, but otherwise
nothing really. And you were like net pen.
You're like what? There's the pro.
There's this. And I yeah, when it finally
loaded, I was like, what are youtalking about?
I said, oh, I meant nothing for me.
Which fair enough. Which might be watch collecting,
yeah, and. Then and then I, I didn't think

(15:51):
I'd be at all interested, but the Peligos Ultra was awesome,
yeah. You really loved it, yes.
I I thought it was fantastic. I would love it in some color,
you know, like the future, like you know, there there is a
chance that they they would makethe ultra in additional colors.

(16:11):
And if they do that, I think I'll be very interested then
because it's a super cool watch.Yeah, or maybe I will just
embrace the the black 1. You know, like it's black dial
right now it's all matte. It's it's a super cool watch.
Very, very tooly, yeah. And then I'll also say that
although the Black Bay 68 is notfor me because it's a much

(16:34):
bigger size and you know, a lot of times in the watch community
where like everything's trendingdown, obviously that's not true
because Tutor is adding larger sizes.
Many other people are, but as a fan of the Black Bay 58 and the
Black Bay 54, I'm very excited that there are two bigger

(16:55):
options for people with larger wrists.
So this is me just, you know, reminding all of us.
It's just adding something for for more people.
If they added this and took away, yeah.
Then I would be. 54 That would be very annoying, but that's not
what happened. In this case, I really think
it's great. I had a super funny thing happen

(17:15):
at the tutor booth and so when Britt and I were there, we were
just like, I just hung out at the tutor booth and like spent
time. I met a bunch of the team at the
GPHG dinner. So that was really nice because
then I like know quite a few people there.
And so I'm sitting there waitingfor Britt.
She's in the filming room like taking taking videos.

(17:36):
You should watch her tutor videoon her channel.
And then I was chatting, you know, with one of the guys there
working at tutor and I just said, oh, I he was wearing the
BB 54. I said, hey, I like your BB 54.
I have that watch. And then he's like, oh, but I
bet you don't have this watch. And then he shows me his other

(17:57):
ribs and it is a tutor submariner.
Submariner. A beautiful version, really
gorgeous. But I was like, well, I do, I
have a tutor mini song. You don't know my collection.
And he was laughing so hard and then he just kept telling

(18:17):
everyone just a tutor mini song.And I was like, I'm a huge tutor
fan. I'm literally just hanging out
in the booth. Like just hanging you spent.
So much time, but. It just made me laugh really
hard and I was just like, you don't know my collection, so no.
People do assume. People do assume.
OK, but I was. Proud of that one, Yes.
An actual I haven't. A new watch announcement.

(18:39):
I haven't even posted a photo ofthis yet.
We're doing. We did 2.
This is our This is the second new watch announcement because I
talked about my guest. Episode I have others like
that's. What happens when you don't
podcast regularly? OK, so when we came home I was
super high on Tutor, like just excited about the new releases.

(18:59):
But there's been a watch that I wasn't interested when it was
first announced because it was linked directly to F1.
And I was like, oh, I don't wantsome F1 watch.
I'm not interested in F1. I've never been interested in
F1. And even though F1 is so tied to
watches, it still hasn't gotten me interested.
O I wrote it off before I ever even saw it.

(19:20):
And then what was it like a month ago?
We just happened to be at the AD.
They had one. I looked at it and I was like,
Oh well. Our friend was buying a Black
Bay burgundy. Yes.
He was buying a black Bay burgundy that they are previous
black Bay burgundy in 41 millimeter and and so it looked
at it and I was like, oh, wait, I really want one of these.

(19:41):
I I think I want it. It's got the most brilliant
blue. It is the the Black Bay ceramic
which has been out for like 3 years now and.
You've always loved the black place.
I loved. It, but I I didn't love it
enough to to to really buy it. But this one with the blue dial,
I have never seen this blue on awatch before and with it

(20:04):
surrounded by black, there's just something so it almost
looks like it's self illuminating to me.
Yeah. It really.
Does this brightness to it, but also the blue isn't too bright.
It's it's quite a nice deep blue.
No. But a very bright, nice deep
blue, if that makes any you're. Really.
In your Tudor color stages, we. Oh my gosh, Blue.

(20:26):
One I have a blue one I have a blue 10 I have 3 blue ones.
Wait. You're like me with OP's oyster
perpetuals. I'm just collecting all the
colors and then maybe. I have to go by the BP 58
Burgundy, yeah. You should and then sometimes
you should leave it. And that TFIT can be put to good
use on my wrist. Well this new watch is
fantastic. I've only had it for less than a

(20:48):
week now. I love it so much.
Yeah, it looks great. Really.
Really happy with this one Top. Of color also.
My first ceramic watch ever. No scratches.
Can't scratch it. Yeah, I'm not going to ask you
to try. I could.
I think you could. Challenge Accepted.
I will not wear this watch. Should we do?
Now that we're weekly, should wedo wrist checks?

(21:08):
No. No, I'm wearing my Apple Watch
on my one wrist and we don't think on the other one because
it's the night. Yeah.
It is late at night on a Sunday evening.
My. Wrist check is very boring, so
the answer is no. OK, so we also went to our first
ever Rolex appointment. Yeah, they we got an

(21:30):
appointment, so the bar is low. Apparently they'll land anybody
in these days, no? It was very cool.
I was super excited. I felt very nervous about it
just because of being excited. But it was on the last day of
the press days and obviously everyone had been talking about

(21:54):
the land dweller. Yes.
So Vu thoughts on the land dweller?
It doesn't have quick adjust on the bracelet.
That's my main thought on the laptop.
OK. That's true.
I. Don't know like I know I sound
like this silly broken record, but one of the things I've loved
about every Rolex I've owned is that at minimum they have a 5mm

(22:16):
tool less micro adjust right? And then it scales up because
you can't, you know, some of thebut.
That's because you had the the like your The GMT is a jubilee,
but it has the sports. It has the professional.
Class yeah, see. So that's the difference because
my you have. One date just that doesn't have

(22:36):
it, Yeah. It's very honest that.
Bracelet. No, it's the one that was for
the quick address didn't come until yeah, back then.
Yeah, but I, I, it is a little disappointing, but I understand
how bracelets end up this way. Like let's not pretend that I
don't understand why it's not due to they just forgot.

(22:58):
No, right? It's like same with your Royal
Oak, same with I mean Grand Seiko up until this point, like
many bracelets are designed to be very thin and seamless and
just look very low profile. And so they don't put a quick I
could just because they have chosen instead to do something
different. I think it can be done because

(23:20):
Vasharan does it. I mean, steel reef has made
links that also look just like regular links.
You know, there's gaps and stuffthat there is a compromise no
matter what. Even with the vasharan way where
it it's still very thin, you cansee that it's different.
It does change the look. So I get it.
There's a trade off and Rolex onthis watch has chosen not to

(23:43):
make that trade and. I just, I don't think they.
Care that I don't want the watchnow, but I don't I'm.
Thinking about that SpongeBob beam where it's like 5 hours
later and it's like you haven't described at all.
If you care about the land dweller, like any of the things,
you're just like micro adjust. Unlike many of the opinions I've

(24:03):
heard, I like everything else about the watch.
It's got an amazing new movementthat is super high tech.
I like the dial. Yeah, I think the squished
honeycomb thing works for this watch and I I don't feel that
the dial is too busy with both the the three or no, it's a nine
612 on it and wait, no, it's only 9 and six.

(24:24):
Yeah. Only nine and six, the 9:00.
And six on it and then also the honeycomb.
I think it still works. I think it's harmonious in in
because it's kind of A at least this version is still monotone,
right? It's.
The monotone maximalist though it is more maximalist than some
Rolex, but it's super cool to see a new model be released.

(24:45):
I like. The case, I think it's
beautiful. I love the bracelet look of it,
not the lack of adjustment. But the look of the.
Bracelet is fantastic, This fivelink flat, it's basically like
flat jubilee is what people havebeen calling it Yeah, I.
Mean one. That's great.
One interesting thing to me is that a talking point you and I

(25:06):
have maintained for a while. It's like Tutor revisits the
catalog, like the prototype or the older things.
Rolex doesn't really do that unless they've retired something
kind of recently. So yeah, they'll probably bring
back a mill gauss, but not like they don't typically go deep.
Deep like way back. They don't go back.
And bring back like a deep design language.

(25:28):
Yes, not really. And so this one obviously they
did move it forward. So that's an interesting take.
Two on, you know, a watch that they brought out one to one.
Yeah. I do have a lot more to say on
this, so I think we can do OK. We'll talk about this more later
A. Little more of a deep dive into
the land dweller, but I had AI have two funny quotes from my

(25:50):
family. Family Quotes.
And one is Mindy text me right after the Rolex, like I guess
when she woke up that morning because the Rolex embargo was up
in the middle of the night for for us in Geneva.
So it really caused quite a stir.

(26:11):
I woke up in the morning and I was like, wait, what?
Everything that was kind of had been leaked was true.
And I got a text message from Mindy and it said, wait, that
one AP looking Rolex wasn't fake.
And I was like, whoa, this little hater, you turn her into
a watch lover and she's like immediately a little troll.

(26:34):
It was amazing. And then the other one is that
my mom, after seeing it on my onmy Instagram, I think I did a
yeah, some photos you had taken and I posted them on my stories.
And I'm almost like, Oh my gosh.On our cruise, they were on a
cruise last week. I saw a watch that really looked

(26:56):
kind of similar to. The.
New Rolex. And I was like, yeah, it's the
the PRX. And it was, I was like, was it
the Tucson PRX? She's like, let me pull up the
picture. Yes, it was.
And so I was like, first of all,the magic of watch collecting
and, and podcasting and having your family listening to it and

(27:18):
getting like very involved in the watch world.
I thought it was really great tohave those two creating
additional commentary. Perfect.
Commentary. OK, Opie, you are the Opie
collector that I know. Yeah.
You own more Opie's than anyone else I know.
Yeah. Actually the the lovely
watchmaker who did our Rolex presentation said he had never

(27:40):
heard of of an Opie collector until he met me.
So you heard it here first. I am.
Themselves have never heard of aLydia before that's.
Not true. There are people who have much
more extensive. Yeah, yeah, perpetual
collections. Yeah, But OK, I saw the colors.

(28:01):
I saw them in the case. Well, they.
For some reason they didn't bring out the blue, but we saw
pistachio, beige and lavender because the like we got to try
those on super. Cool with their matte dials.
Yeah, yeah, a very sad thing forme.
I am very pale and my hands are very veiny.
The colors of those 3 watches make up the colors of my hands.

(28:29):
The beige is my skin, the purpleand the green are my beans.
None of them look good like I am.
I am not a hand model and these do not work the beige ones.
The beige 1 looks like it's a see through watch which maybe
that's cool but I don't think so.
I. Don't know which skin tones like

(28:51):
because I've only seen it on a few different people so far.
And for lighter skin like yourself and then slightly
darker skin. My my skin is slightly darker
darker than yours. Neither of us did the beige
work? I thought the green looked good
on me because I guess I don't have.
The purple looking nice. And the the lavender looked OK

(29:13):
on me. I I liked it.
I didn't think it was a perfect match for me.
I'm really interested in seeing the blue though.
Yes, the blue is still the lacquer dial, so it also has a
lot more brightness. The thing I here's the thing, I
I'm all for more colors. I think the pastel vibe is
really cool. It's very on trend.
You had Pantone releasing what is it called Mocha Moose this

(29:38):
year, which is like a brown thatthat the Pantone is this like
luxurious brown, light brown. And so I think these colors are
awesome and I I can't wait to see people wearing them and
loving them. It's super unfortunate that my
hands are the way they are. OK, so we went to Watches and

(30:00):
Wonders. I was there for four days, but
you were there for over a week or for a week.
And so your first three days there, you were working with
Nomos. Yes, which first of all I just
wanted to say thank you so much for all the congratulations on
yes, my new company I will, I have been consulting for Nomos

(30:24):
and it's been amazing. If you are hearing this for the
first time, I am consulting for Nomos.
I am completely biased in lovingthem.
So everything. Not consulting for Nomos but I
still have also. Love them.
But it was, it was, it was so interesting for me because I've
only come at this week as an enthusiast.

(30:48):
So it was very different to comein as like being part of at
least an announcement. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And. And being part of an
announcement. So I honestly felt a lot more
nervous. Like usually when I'm, you know,
just watching the news, it's like I'm a, I'm a bystander just

(31:09):
like absorbing. And so this was very different
for me and I absolutely loved it.
I worked with the team on their keynote on the talks that they
gave on the campaign and their world timers are just brilliant.
This year the clubs were nematicworld timers.
They showed them to us the firsttime in October when we were

(31:29):
visiting. Both of us were like, these are
awesome. And then to get to actually be
part of the process, be like with the design team, seeing the
the color choices and like looking at the all the different
details. For me, my super fandom,
sometimes I have to be like, be cool Lydia, be cool and I don't.

(31:52):
Know how to be cool? No.
This is the problem. I don't think that's part.
Of the brand and I was probably saying it out loud.
Be cool, be. Cool, be cool, and everyone's
looking at you like we can hear you.
No. But I mean, so I already knew
coming into it like this is a super strong launch because it's
something that is very useful complication, you know, like a

(32:16):
lovely way. A very big difference.
Just go anywhere, do anything we're on record in.
The past that was saying that this is the most useful
complication, yeah. GMT and GMT.
World time, like knowing what time it is, where you are and
another time zone, yes, is useful, like genuinely useful
so. For me, it was like all of these

(32:37):
butterflies and excitement. It was Nomos's first keynote.
I highly recommend that you go watch Katie and Robert.
We're amazing on stage and it gives you some more like in
depth understanding of not only the brand, but also the design
details, which are really cool in both the core models and the
limited editions. But overall, I mean, then I just

(32:58):
had like butterflies all the time and was so excited and so
many people came by the booth that I knew.
And yeah, it was just, it's beenawesome hearing the reaction to
the no most world timers and getting to be a small part of it
because the team just created something so excellent through

(33:18):
watch making and design. And and the watchmaking part, I
think it should not be like it'sbeen cool hearing other people's
opinions of them because obviously I had very strong
opinions about it, but it's beenreally cool hearing other
people's opinion. And one of the things that is a
recurring theme that I'm so gladthat so many people have talked
about is the feel of the click of the pusher.

(33:42):
So OK, if you somehow have not heard of these, they are the no
most world timers. They are Nomos club sport
Neomatic. World time, and they are Nomos's
take on a world time. They are have a new movement and
this movement has one of the best pusher fields of any world

(34:03):
time where there's a pusher thatadvances the local time like
often they are a little squishy or there's I don't have good
words to describe that feeling because squishy isn't the right
thing. But this is these just feel
great. And I my biggest concern, I keep

(34:24):
saying this over and over, it sounds silly, but I genuinely
think about it, is that I would click it too much.
I would fidget too much with it because it's a very satisfying
click it. Was really fun because I got to
wear one all week. You were some so I and I was
trading around around quite a bit at the booth.
So I was wearing sometimes the core line, the silver one, which

(34:44):
is super beautiful. I wore glacier, I wore jungle a
lot. I was moving them all around.
But every time I would give it to someone to try on, I would
say, oh, you should definitely click it because it's really
nice. And then they'd kind of
hesitantly do a click, then click, click, click, click,
click, click, click, click, click, click, click.
I never had, I never had the right time.
But it was just because then I'dwe'd run somewhere else and all

(35:08):
of a sudden click, click, click,click.
And there were a few people who were like, let me click it back
to the right spot, which I was like, wow, that's so thoughtful.
And I definitely wouldn't have done that to someone else.
I would have just clicked around.
But yeah, the, the watches are so beautiful.
It was, I think the six limited edition colorways, like the

(35:29):
colors are just fantastic. I mean, you and I are both a big
fan from last year. I bought super sardine from the
31 colors. You bought high fish grout.
They're two of our favorite. Watches a volcano.
Yes. And I have a jungle.
I almost changed a glacier but when we were yeah, but when we
were working on this jungle was always one where I think of my

(35:53):
family in Florida. I think of playing with my
nephews at the park nearby theirhouse.
And so to me like that was part of the story we had for the
world timers is like the limitededitions.
You can find these colorways that kind of represent some
place for you. And so for me, I can't unthink
of the nephews and especially because since the subdial has

(36:17):
the home time, I'm going to set my home time to Florida because
I'm travelling in between Stockholm and Berlin, same time
zone. But to me like being able to set
the home time to Florida, it like makes the world timer a
useful complication for my life even without like needing to
travel super. Far so volcano.

(36:37):
From the beginning, from the first time I saw that colorway,
it's always reminded me of Iceland.
Like traveling to Iceland and seeing the landscape.
OK, we've never been to an active volcano.
I was like, do I call you out? Like Iceland?
We've done a lot of things, but none have been like we didn't
see the. Lava itself, OK, that's but if I

(36:59):
look at images of the places we've been when there's active
volcanoes, then you have the dark grey, you have the black,
so that represents volcanic rockand then you have the blue,
which is like the sky above and you have the red, which is the
lava it's. A cool name reminds.
Me immediately of volcanoes likeit always has.

(37:22):
It's the beginning of the understanding, like what the
motivation was for this watch. It's just like for me, I'm like,
yeah, that's that's Iceland for me.
OK, that's really awesome. I mean, I it's fun because you
can wear it and then think of that place.
So like Robert kept saying, likewhenever I wear this, it's like
I can just go there. Yeah.

(37:44):
And I, I really think about that, especially with jungle for
me in Florida and missing my family.
It's just like this reminder. And then the time on there is is
set to a different home since this is our home, yes.
And you can make it your own because it's not like you lived
in the jungle in Florida. It's not about just the name.
It's also I. Lived in the school so the
jungle is actually swamped me but you know Everglades jungle

(38:10):
it make the. Jungle your swamp?
No, that's not a good time, No. I don't think so, but I have to
say I just I have been overwhelmed with just like how
great the normals team has been to me coming in.
It's just been yeah, like reallya dream.
I said this last time, but I wasn't able to talk about the

(38:30):
thing we were working on plus how happy I am.
So now I'm sure as you all have gotten to see this release, it's
like it's such a cool launch to get to be part of the team at no
malls is just I've always been afan of them and even more so now
that I get to work with them. And I have to say a special
shout out to my 2 like closest team team members, Inez and

(38:53):
Roland. They they're just, yeah, it's
amazing. The Three Musketeers we.
Are with the. Muskets I guess we OK on this
watches and wonders trip. Last year we went to Watches and
Wonders and we recorded an episode from the floor.
This is a terrible idea. Oh.
Yeah, we barely never. We barely survived doing that
this year. We were like, all right, we

(39:13):
bought these really cool little recorders and we ran around and
our goal was to just get quotes from people.
You got how many quotes? I never turned it on. 0I carry
this the whole time and I talkedto so many people.
Mostly I talked, barely saw watches, did not record one

(39:36):
thing so. The downside to these recorders
is they are incredibly cool thateven someone who's not at all
interested in audio recording will love it for its tactile
nature. It's both high tech and low tech
feel and vibe. It is just an amazing device.
I'll talk about it some other time, but we came back and I'm

(39:57):
like, look at all the recordingsI have and we started playing
through them and unfortunately. All but three recordings was
just me telling people how it works.
Look how cool it was, just moving, exciting I was doing.
Demos doing. The demos of the recording and I
was like, OK, it doesn't feel like you really got that much

(40:19):
usable content. You did get more than me, but
only by two. OK, true, but I I did get this
quote and I think it was worth it.
Yes. Danny here with Danny Milton.
Danny, what have been some of your favorite watches of the
show? Well, to be.
Honest, a big standout piece forme was the no most world timer

(40:40):
came out this year and there wasa ton of colorways and the
limited piece I like the most was the Dune, which was sort of
like a yellow base colorway. And I just, I loved it.
Kind of Wes Anderson vibes, you know?
Yeah. So do you feel like like you
like you liked it enough to buy it?
To be honest, it's a doomed dealit.

(41:01):
Was even worse that I expected. Okay, so some context.
First of all, Danny Milton, formerly at Hodinki, now at
Teddy Baldassar. He was visiting the normal
booth. Yeah, he and I have had like a
long lunch in in New York. He's super great and he made
this Dune deal joke because he that's the one he really liked.

(41:24):
So then we were like with other people at the booth and I kept
trying to like lob, lob it up tohim.
So and he had forgotten this punthat I was like, I heard a pun.
I'm not going to let it die. So he'd be like, oh, I really
love the yellow one, like the Dune.
It's super cool. I'm like, oh, do you think you
might get any? Was like, yeah, it's super cool.

(41:45):
And every time, like Danny, it'sa Dune deal.
So then later when we saw him, Itried.
And it still didn't work and it.Still didn't work.
And then this recording came outof it.
So, you know, do with that what you doing with that what you
will. Oh no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's. A Doom deal the.
Only, OK, so I came back with three recordings.

(42:06):
Another great recording, which is great that I got, yes, is
with Ken from Deluxe, our good friend Ken, because we didn't
get to go to Beau Rivage, they changed the schedule this year.
It was a little bit different. So although I did visit Beau
Rivage very briefly, I didn't get to see a bunch of brands
like we did last year, even though that was the plan.
So here's Ken's thoughts. So, Ken, what have been some of

(42:28):
your favorite things you've seenat the show?
So I spend most of my time at the Beau Rivage outside of
Palexo. So I think some of the cool
stuff I've seen Space one has a new world timer, so that's
pretty sick. It looks like a spaceship.
It's very nice. Attended Win has some nice stuff
coming out in the coming months.I can't see what it is, but
yeah, pretty cool. And Debatune, they have one of

(42:53):
their diver watch. You can actually press a button
and it has lights and it's and it's not battery operated.
It's not cool, really. That's.
Yeah, Yeah, that's cool. OK, I have to go see that.
Yeah. And you have a Debatune you love
Debatune. I I.
Love Debatune. I'm a I'm a big fan.
So those are some of the cool stuff.
And of course, a brand called Deluxe.
You might have heard of it. You might have.
We, we have a little cool stuff as well, some strap closet

(43:15):
coming out for a boutique launch.
But yeah, no, it's, it's been good to be here in Geneva.
Yes, and we have to start with ahuge congratulations to Ken and
Pei and the whole deluxe team. They opened a strap boutique in
Singapore. It's absolutely beautiful, so
cool. Based on all photos, I haven't
gotten to visit yet, but the thing that they made is this
little strap closet. OK.

(43:37):
I cannot with how cute it. Looks like a little miniature,
like a dancy closet, like a dollhouse closet that you pull
out and it's got all the straps hanging like they're on little
hangers and it's super cute. Ken.
From Deluxe and our Ken were together our Ken Ken yes were
together and they were talking about that these are the Ken's
dream house and I love it it's just super super cool but yeah

(44:01):
the Beau Rivage it really last year we spent so much time there
and. Saturday it.
Was just the way the show went and how they moved things this
year. It was like we didn't.
When we went on Saturday, though, it was not.
No, it was really starting to close down.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, which is a bummer, but but
it's OK. We'll plan better next year.

(44:21):
Yes, yes. Then OK, back to PAL Expo.
We went to Tag Hoyer and we walked around through Instagram,
which is how we get to know mostpeople.
I met Beatriz, who works at Tag Hoyer and does she's like head
of content at Tag Hoyer. She walked us around the booth,
showed us all the watches. It was super cool.

(44:42):
It was a really cool booth. And it was really an F1 year.
I mean, I think that's probably pretty easy for everyone.
I know almost nothing about F1. Sometimes Brit wants to talk
about it with me and I just your.
Eyes glaze, Yeah. I like, I only know the word F1,
like like I don't even Oh yeah, it's called Formula One.

(45:06):
Like there you go. But for a second I was like, I
don't even know. I do think the new tag, F1 re
release or yeah, whatever relaunch, I think they're really
nice. We got to try them on.
They're super fun. I really.
Want one of them I. Think that any comparison to the
Moon Swatch is unfair because itis actually A tag Hoyer not like

(45:29):
the other one or swatches. But yeah, super cool watch I My
only hesitation is like again, could barely remember what F1
stands for, but that's so that Iknow.
I think for me, no hesitation you.
Still love the watch you've tried it on.
We tried it on in Neimans. Really, really fun and a good
size. They feel great.

(45:50):
They they're just fun. They're.
Really really fun if I. Get one.
It's going to be the Barcelona one which has this, the rubber
strap that looks like a tire I really like.
That ones really cool. It's.
The only one with numerals on the tile, so it has the 6912 on
the dial, yeah. And I'm like, it's a tire
because cars, yeah, F1. I mean, but that is, you don't

(46:13):
need to know more than that. I don't.
I literally don't know more thanthat because cars, I just accept
that I know that Brad Pitt will be in an F1 movie because when
you would go over to IWC, that'sobviously something very big for
them this year. And they did the Entrepreneur.
Yeah, they had the car, which was, but the coolest thing for

(46:33):
me was the Enginur 35mm you werein.
Love with the white gorgeous. Gorgeous, really beautiful.
Obviously, I'm in my Genta era right now, getting both the
locomotive and the Royal Oak Glaciers.
I'm like just, you know, yeah, on Chrono 24, searching for the
next one and. Yesterday you were showing me

(46:54):
Gentas the. White Enginur was super, super
beautiful. And also they did an amazing
video kind of yeah, like a shortfilm highlighting like Gerald
Genta doing that design. And it was really cool because
at watches and wonders I got to meet for the first time.
We've chatted again on Instagram, but Alexia Genta,

(47:17):
Gerald Genta's daughter. And so like getting to talk to
her about all of like both her dad and brand and all these
different things that the two ofus were having lunch together
and then see the film come out. It felt very cool to get to see
how how much work she and her mom have done to really keep his
name alive and like really help people understand what an

(47:40):
amazing designer he is. And there were time periods
where not everyone like people didn't talk about a, a Genta
design. And so I think it's amazing to
see that then not only people talking about this, because I
live only in the world where everyone's like Genta.
But then to see IWC do this video that really, you know,

(48:03):
like they have an actor playing Gerald Genta.
They worked with Alexia and her mom.
Like that's really, it's really beautiful.
So I felt like getting to see all of that together, I was
like, that's my next gender more.
Genta. Exactly.
And then I was like, oh, hold on, Janur.
So beautiful. That would be a cool trifecta
though to have a Royal Oak, a locomotive and an on genur.

(48:28):
But I'm gonna definitely, we're gonna do a Gerald Denta episode
because every time I look up thewatches that he designed, I'm
always like, wait, that, that what?
That one, that one. Yeah.
So I think it's super cool. Surprising, it's.
Like, so impressive. Yeah, I.
Mean even the locomotive. Yeah.
It was like, wait, he designed awatch for Seiko.
What? Yeah.

(48:49):
And in the video, you should definitely go watch it, it's a,
it's a few minute video on IWB and it's really about how the
entrepreneur was a failure at first.
So it's a, it's a cool, it's a cool story, but also about, you
know, how Gerald Gentil always saw himself as an artist 1st and

(49:10):
not a watch designer. And that's like talked about in
the film. And so before seeing the film, I
had talked to Alexia and she told me that about him.
And so I was just like, my mind,my watch mind is blown.
It was very amazing. OK, we also went to Grand Seiko
and you were super. Stoked I was.
Super excited, Joe walked us around the booth.

(49:31):
We got to see they had this really cool display of all these
historical pieces and they were just because I've looked at a
lot of vintage Grand Seiko. I know I haven't bought any
vintage watches, but I look at them all the time and Grand
Seiko might be the one I look atthe most.
I do, I do, I do a lot. And but the the new release that

(49:53):
the the one that I cared about the most, I should say is of
course, the spring Dr. UFA Ultrafine accuracy plus -20
seconds a year. Like it is the most accurate,
like mainspring powered watch inthe world.
And not only did they increase the accuracy to this level, but

(50:15):
they also managed to fit it in a37mm case.
And for all of those, myself included, because I own a 36.5mm
grand Seiko, because it just hasa, a manual wound movement in
it. Like to have a spring drive at
37 millimeters is super cool andsomething totally new.

(50:36):
I I think the movement kind of got overshadowed though because
this watch also has quick adjuston the bracelet.
Can you imagine you're like, listen here.
Believe it. What I mean, but also OK, first
of all you say this, but that's exactly what you talked about

(50:57):
with the land dweller that thingno like no quick adjust you are
the problem I have. The problem?
It's me. I'm.
The problem, I've never claimed to not be the problem.
The thing is, like I said, I understand why they didn't have
it before. It was a choice, it was a trade
off that they were making, and now it's an option at least in

(51:20):
one of their watches, which means they will probably come to
more watches. And that is exciting to me
because I want that choice. If there's a bracelet, I want
quick adjust. I prioritize that over thinness
or beauty or any of those things.
I want comfort. It's ugly, but it's.
Got exactly, exactly OK, so we also we did spend some time

(51:45):
outside of the Pell Expo and oneof my favorite places to visit.
You know, I know this is only our second year, so that's a
silly thing to say, but it's AHCI, which is down near the
Beau Rivage. And I met with Ken Arkin Ken and

(52:05):
we went to AHCI and like giggleda lot.
OK, there was. A lot of giggling.
First of all, if so, Britt and Iwere, like, very giggly at one
point. We just, like, waved to Teddy
Balsar and giggled and then left.
And later I met him and he was like, yeah, I saw you and Britt
giggling. And I was like, we were, yeah,

(52:27):
that was us, yeah. People probably have things to
say about me and Ken as well. Foo and Arkin, they are Ken.
They could not stop giggling from the second I met them at
the hotel to put my luggage in the room.
Vu and Ken were just giggling inthe corner.
Like like I couldn't see where they were.

(52:48):
That sounds. Happy.
It was. Very.
Fun and heard. Us giggling we were hiding from
you it. Was very fun and very adorable
and it continued the whole time,so I can only imagine the two of
you at it's the show. Well, OK.
So we go to HCI and we, we go toKudoke first, which then you got

(53:09):
to come back and visit Kudoke the next day.
Yes. And I am OK.
First of all, before we go there, I I can't talk about it,
but Ken showed us the Speakeasy.Yes, I quickly, yes, I quickly
photographed it with cat shoulders.

(53:32):
Our faces are in it. And then I am blackmailing Ken.
I just told him he has to be nice to me.
Wait. What's that?
Well, you. Yeah, he has to be.
Was he never not nice? You.
You call him little sweetie? Yeah.
But I just want a little sweetieto know who's in charge.
Oh, OK. Because you have a picture of
his secret watch. Yeah, it's not.

(53:53):
It's actually blurry. Cat and I are just laughing.
Like we're just laughing at eachother.
And yeah, OK. So we go to see this Kodoke 5
and I OK, actually, so I had a reaction to this watch, but I
will say your reaction to it wasat another level.

(54:13):
Like I, I I don't know how to describe how you reacted to this
watch. Because it is.
Yeah. You had an emotional moment when
you first tried on this watch. Yeah, I just think it's so
beautiful, the engraving that they did with the sun and the
moon, and it's taking up like the majority of the dial, and it

(54:35):
has this really domed crystal. Yeah, it's, you know, mostly the
dial and this domed crystal and the stars are beautifully
engraved. And I just thought it was so
beautiful again, this gorgeous thing that I will not be able to
tell the time on. But do I even care?
No, you. Would actually.
It's actually. Very easy.

(54:56):
It is easy, but I just it's easier.
To read than a two hand watch, but it's not easy to read
accurately. Yeah.
Well, I don't care about accuracy.
So then this becomes a perfect watch for you.
So, OK, to describe the watch, it is all the almost the entire
dial is this big Dome, this discthat's hand engraved and it's

(55:18):
split down the middle and half of it is gold plated, I believe.
And half of it is rhodium plated.
And so 1/2 looks gold. The other half looks like night.
It looks like day and night. The gold side has the sun, it's
all hand engraved. The night side has stars and
moon. It's all hand engraved.
And so if you just were to glance at the watch, just by the

(55:40):
position of the disc, because itrotates once per day.
So it's also a 24 hour dial and there's an arrow on that disk
and then wherever that arrow is pointing, that's what time it
is. And so it's just a 24 hour disk
with 24 hour time. It means, I mean, you can read
the watch accurately within like2 minutes.
So it's not going to get you. Perfectly.

(56:02):
On time for a like online meeting, but for most things in
life it's good enough. I love accurate time but this
watch I I would I would be OK with not having perfect accurate
time while I'm wearing that watch because it is truly

(56:24):
beautiful. Also the movement is hand
engraved and has I I've loved those movements.
I've been in love with the K2, the Kudoka 2 and that watch.
Had this same disc but it was very small up around 12:00.
But what is the 20? 4 hour disc, Yeah.
So what he did was enlarge that and take up the entire dial.

(56:47):
So Kudoke is Steven and EV Kodoke and they are awesome.
They're based in Germany, we have German.
Watch Making. We have talked to them about
coming to visit this watch. I, I by far the most beautiful
thing I saw in Geneva. Mm hmm.
Yeah, it really like got me a little choked up, I think.

(57:11):
Actually teared up a lot, yeah. 'Cause it just it was so
beautiful and kind of unexpectedin a way you have I think their
watches are beautiful, but you've definitely been the
karaoke like fanboy at the housefor sure, for sure, for sure.
And this one you were like, oh, look at this.
And I was just like, whoa, I just want to look at it like,
wow, yeah, it was super, super beautiful.

(57:33):
And they're also just so lovely that, I mean, the whole
experience was great. Yeah.
I also walked in at a cool moment because you and Arkin
were. That's all I I'm calling him now
for a clarity. Arkin is our Ken.
Yeah, well, that is how the namecame.
OK. Perfect.
So it's. Fun to call him Arkin.

(57:55):
Arkin a form and function podcast he was had had just
given his his Arkin watch to Hajimi Ahsoka and so.
That was super cool. So I took a photo of it, and
it's just really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ken describes it on his podcast.Like, get it, You know, you're
like handing your watch to a watch legend.

(58:18):
A true. Legend who?
You know, says it's beautiful, and that's just awesome.
Yeah, he called. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was a really cool moment. The The thing is visiting Hajime
Asuko. We did that last year as well.
And he was showing off his new mother of Pearl dial watch.
And when I first saw images of it, I was like, it looks so
tactile. It looks like things are

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protruding, like you could touchthings on the dial.
How could that be possible? You would just break the
movement instantly. Turns out you do you.
Like you can touch all of those things.
It's actually a watch where you can feel the time.
So he says it can be used by people with visual impairment
and he has developed his own suspension system.

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So when you touch it, he showed us he, he, he, he was not taking
the watch out of the cabinet, but after we were ogling it for
so long and saying so many things like finally he was like,
you know what I'm, I'm gonna just show these people so they
leave. I, I don't think that's really
how he was thinking, but you never know.
And so he takes out the watch and he actually flicks the
minute hand and you can see the suspension system at work.

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So it kind of, although the movement is moving the hands,
they, it and they're also slightly disconnected, like
they, they, there's a suspensionsystem that disconnects them so
you can touch them and move themand it doesn't hurt the
movement. And it, it's really, really
amazing watchmaking. Also a very beautiful watch.

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I just thought it was super cool.
And I didn't even know until we got there, but they were having
a Kudoke event. So Ken and I also went to the
Kudoke event and that was super fun.
And yeah, it was just a. It was really nice getting to
see the. Also, Corono pieces in a little
more depth. Some of the pieces that I I
didn't order, getting to see them and then being so regretful

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that I didn't order them. But also, while Ken and I were
at the Corono event, they had these books.
And, you know, if you take cool pictures, they put them in the
books. And they had asked me years ago
if they could put one of my photos in the book.
And I said yes, of course. And they're like, oh, can you
send us the high resolution images?

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And I said, oh, yeah, like wheredo I send it?
And so they emailed me to e-mailthem and I just forgot.
I know, don't ask me to do favorwork.
So I never sent it to them. So I was like, Oh yeah, I didn't
make it in the book. They had the book there.
So I was like, Oh, well, let me see the images that did make it
in. Flipping through, flipping
through. Oh, there's my photo.
So there I was like, oh, my photo's right here.

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So Hajime, I'll say OK, sign thebook and just gave it to me.
You. Should have signed it and given
it to him. That would have been her power,
yeah. Wait a second, hold on.
It's my picture. I should have signed it as the
photographer. Sorry, would you you sign it
back and hand it to him? Wow.
OK, one other major thing that we did was go to the Super niche

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slash ulis Nardin party dinners.Yeah.
A party dinner. It was it.
Was a dinner party the. Last night we were there, it was
super nice. I met Perry and Rashawn many
moons ago at the first Complectoevent.
They are some of my favorite risk check pod guys.
They have created super niche and yeah, it was really fun.

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I will say I know almost nothingabout Euless Nardian as a brand.
I did. Know I.
Did know, yeah. Now I actually.
Know more? And one of the coolest things
was I ended up sitting next to the managing director, Matthew,
and he was like, I was like, I don't know anything about about
you. And he's like, OK, if we were in

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an elevator, this is what I would tell you.
And if we had two minutes, this is what.
And he was amazing. And as a brand nerd, I just was
like, OK, I just want to listen to you.
And that really gave me a lot ofdifferent insights into the
brand and how they kind of see themselves as like being the
maybe like more of the tech rebels and the ones like pushing

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technology of watchmaking forward, but also wanting to,
you know, like, share that knowledge and like make sure
that more, you know, that like watchmaking stays relevant.
And I thought that was super cool.
And it's a good year. For them to talk about that,
yes. Because the diver air looked
awesome. I thought it was such a cool

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watch. Like, OK, it's at a price point
where it's not something that would be in my consideration
right now. It's like 38,000 francs or EUR,
I can't remember but either. 1. Either one is is at that level
where that's not I don't shop those clouds as.
My dad says it's too rich for myblood.
Yeah. Exactly, but the diver air it so

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it's only 46g without the strap.So just the watch head with the
strap it's 52g because it's a very light fabric strap, but
it's a skeletonized movement. It looks light and it is light,
but what they were talking aboutwas that it's made to be so.
It's not the lightest watch in the world because that was not

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what they were trying to do. It's the lightest dive watch in
the world, but not the latest watch because they wanted it to
still be robust, durable and withstand the kinds of things
you could do with a sports watch.
So like you can take this mountain biking, you can take
this to do all those things thatnormally you'd think you'd need
a very robust watch for. This is that robust watch.

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It's just an incredibly light version of that.
And I thought that was really cool.
It was. Really, well pushing.
That technology. Yeah, and it was just an amazing
group of people. It was really fun.
Sophie's watch World was there. Ben's watches.
I also have to say that over thecourse of these days, I got to
meet and see like a mind blowingamount of people that I people

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no finally got to meet. And so there is it is.
I would just be making a list ofnames.
Yeah, if I actually got to. People that we got to meet last
year at watching, Yeah, I got tomeet.
Haven't seen since then. Yeah, yeah.
Just truly. I mean, for me, it's always the
people, yeah. With OK the watches are easier
to talk about. Yes, it'd be weird if we just

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did a podcast episode talking about no.
But I mean that the people are what make me love watches.
And this time in Geneva and Watches and Wonders reminded me
that even more than ever, it's like the stories, that's the
connections even, you know, sitting next to Matthew and
hearing his passion for UN really gave me a completely

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different viewpoint. So that's.
Yeah, it's just a really. I think it's just.
Yeah. What I hear these phrases like,
you know, feel the time and likewith Haji Mousoka or time
suspended or you're a world timer.
It's like I think it's all really beautiful stories about

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these objects that we wear everyday and like how they
connect us to people that we never would have met.
And even all of you listening it.
Yeah, it's it's a very, very mind blowing when you stop and
think about it. That was that was very deep.
And I feel like that's how we end.
Words of Wisdom by Lydia Winters.

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Bye.