August 9, 2025 • 62 mins
Yes, Vu has another NWA but this time it's totally not his fault. We also talk about his new camera, the Sigma bf, and our recent trip to Glashütte for the weekend and extra tour of the NOMOS manufacture.
Mentioned in the episode:
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms in 38mm
NOMOS Club Campus 36 Future Orange
The Best recommendations for the week:
The Naked Gun
Wednesday
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(00:08):
Welcome to this Watch LIVE. Hi, I'm Lydia Winters.
And I'm Boo Boo. And this is episode 207.
It is, and you've had quite a week, Boo Boo.
I'm feeling a lot better now, yes.
Yeah, I got better fairly quickly.
So you know, I've been trying towork out more, not trying,
(00:29):
somewhat succeeding. Yes, because you have a new
watch. Yeah, and that watch means I
have to work out. Which watch is it for those it
is who haven't heard the. Tutor FXD Cycling Edition
Chronograph Pink for the Gero d'Italia, Yes.
A watch that you have decided will change your life yes, and
(00:50):
put you on a health journey which is.
Mainly working, but I got derailed this week.
I had to. So it's been very exciting to
have this watch that forces me to work out because it the rule
I made was that in order to get to wear the watch, I'd have to
go on a bike ride. Oh, OK, because I did I.
Not tell you that. No.
And I, I have actually, you know, lightly criticized you
(01:14):
that you got the prize before you did the thing 'cause you're
trying. That was the you're.
Trying to achieve this goal for next year, but you were like,
give me that watch. OK, so the the the reason you
made me feel a little bit self-conscious.
OK, hold on this way. This.
I I liked it more of like I am like.
(01:36):
You inspired? Me amused not.
You inspired me because you you kind of pointed out that other
people use watches as rewards for achievements and I used it
somehow as like you get the reward 1st and then go do the
achievement. Where you're like, yeah, I'm
definitely going to do that achievement.
(01:56):
I'm going to do the achievement so I I thought I could get both
so I have to. Watch this I.
Haven't already. However, the only way I get to
wear it is if it's connected with the achievement getting to
the achievement. I like this.
I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, so I but some some tiny
(02:18):
little terrors decided to derailme.
I went to get my bike out of theshed and unbeknownst to me there
was a brand new Yellow Jacket Nest Wasps right on the side of
the shed and when I slammed the door, which that door needs to
be slammed to close it, well they got a little angry.
(02:39):
They felt like I was attacking them, which I wasn't to be fair,
and I got stung 3 times and ran away as quickly as I could,
injuring my leg in the process because I don't know, I don't
Sprint that often. So what you're saying is health
is dangerous? Yeah, getting healthy can be
(03:01):
very, very risky. And then I had a somewhat
allergic reaction, but not bad. You also threw like everything
you had. Well, luckily the watch was
attached to you. Yes, the watch was on my wrist,
but the key in my one hand just flew in the air.
I had to search for it later. I.
(03:22):
Found like I can't run with thisweight on.
When when I pulled my calf muscle which was halfway through
the run. This.
Is like being in your 40s. This.
Is my. Then the Garmin flew out of my
other hand and I had to go and retrieve that later.
But anyway. Basically on my side was just
who was like, I'm going out for a bike ride and like one second
(03:44):
later he comes in like Matt, like full Matt flew.
Through the door and I was like,I got bit.
She's like, what? What do you mean you got bit?
So anyway, it turns out I'm not definitely allergic to wash.
Which is good, because you're here talking to us.
Today, yes, yes. However, now that I have been
prescribed Epipens. Yeah, because you are pretty
(04:06):
pretty. Allergic I am somewhat allergic
and the chances of my allergy going up went up by being stung
multiple times but. Anyway, welcome to this WASP
life. Yeah.
Oh boy. Oh, no, no.
OK, I have mainly recovered and so here we are.
(04:27):
Here we are. And now I can wear that watch
again because I'm going to work out well tomorrow.
OK, so there is a danger in making goals for things that you
really want. And even if you do the
compromise like I did, where youget it first, but then you
create some rules around it, youmay not get to enjoy it as much
(04:48):
as you want. So this the, I think the moral
of the story here is if you wantsomething, just buy it.
Don't tie it to any goals or, ortrying to make yourself better
or anything like that. Just buy the thing and enjoy.
It now it's mine. Yeah, no guilt, nothing to have
to worry about. Okay, I yeah, it's been, it's
(05:09):
been, it's been a lot, but I'm glad you're recovering.
Okay, before we fully get into this episode, we are doing a
call for questions because we'regoing to do a Q&A episode.
And so you can submit your questions via questions at this
watchlife.com. Yeah, if you want to e-mail us
(05:29):
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E dot watches, Lydia's watches, Basically wherever you can find
us, you can submit a question and we would love to answer it
about watches or on. Spotify directly.
Or anything you want. Yes.
Anything. Yes, it's like anything you want
questions episode. It but don't make it about the
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Wasps because that's I feel likewe've covered it.
I don't know there, you know, people might want to understand
more about that, but this week we went up to our AD meemanzer
because we got a message. Come and look at this new watch
that came in. Yes, Which was you actually?
(06:11):
You were. I wasn't.
I wasn't interested. I'm not.
I'm not the biggest Blancpon fanor not fan.
I'm just more like it's neutral to me, which is fine.
And so we heard that they had the new 38mm, which I was like,
OK, that's fine. It will look, you know, OK on
me. It's smaller than the 42.
(06:32):
People were excited about it. This is the release that they
did this weird. You know, they released the pink
version first in 38mm and everyone was like, where's the
where's? The.
Where's the black and the blue version?
And then they all also did did the black and blue versions.
And so I was pretty neutral. I will say trying it on I was
(06:54):
like I would love to have this on the rubber straps.
OK, hold on. Also, I think you're downplaying
it looks. Tiny, it does look.
Tiny it looks smaller than 38 for sure.
You are downplaying your turn. Basically I was like, hey, let's
go see this watch. And you're like, oh, I don't
really care, but I, I'd love to go visit Newmans.
We do, we do it as often as we can.
(07:16):
Anyway, you're like, let's go. But I, I, you know, I don't
really care. About the Watch.
And so we go up and you put it on your wrist and you were like,
oh, and then you went over to the mirror and you looked at it
and you came back and you said you were like, I could see this
just being a watch I wear everyday.
Yeah, I really, really loved. It your eyes had hearts in them,
(07:39):
I could see them. There's something about the 50
fathoms. First of all, it's a very
historic watch. I don't care that much about
that part. 1st I watch of that. Yeah, but I really think that it
has such a cool DNA because it has this like, I mean, when I
say it this way, it's not going to sound as good as it is, but
it has like a bloated bezel, like a like a little.
(08:03):
No, it's a bubbly. A bubble.
A bubble bezel. That's a bubble bezel.
But I, I like it. It makes it look in a way like
more fun and a little less serious somehow.
But it has a sunburst style and sunburst like a really nice
finish on the bezel. And so it also has this elegant
sporty. And it's fully polished.
(08:24):
It's fully polished. The 38 wears very small I'm
going to say 36 ish looks like on me.
Think it has the look of a 36. Especially because of the the
bulbous bezel, the the puffy, the puffy bezel.
It's because the dial is very small.
The dial's small and so then youI like big bezels.
(08:49):
Can't you lie? But I was really, I was really
pleasantly surprised about this watch.
Look, I'm not typically one to say like price, price, price,
but I will say in this case. Poof, yeah, poof.
It's about 16,700 USD and €18,000 on the strap.
(09:10):
Yeah, the rubber strap it. Was a nice rubber.
Strap. It was a very nice rubber.
Strap like very comfortable, very pliable, but it doesn't
feel like the kind that will crumble after a few years.
I do like that it's very much this watch that I could wear
anywhere. No one would know what it is.
Would think it's something special.
But it's that's. A steep key walk.
(09:30):
But it's a steep price for low key.
It is what? So I actually thought I'd be
super into it. I did too.
Surprisingly, I felt that for the style and for what I like on
my wrist, it felt too small. It did immediately look too
small on you and then I was like, oh, hand it over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it it felt too small.
(09:52):
I tried on the 42 again in titanium also on rubber strip
and it felt perfect because it'sit's a very short lug to lug the
42 mil and so it just even though my wrist is not big at
around 16.2cm or something, it'slike that 42 just wears very
well. I don't feel it's a watch that
(10:12):
needs to be small for the wrist it's on right.
So that's why I think the 38 on your wrist looks great because
it is still not a tiny watch. It it has a lot of height to it.
It has some wrist presence. Yeah, it does.
Without being overwhelming and Ithink the 42 on my wrist, wrist
presence without being overwhelming.
And I will post some photos of it on my wrist on this Watch
(10:35):
Life podcast. Oh, did you take some?
Instagram That's good. Yeah, it's it's very, very cool.
Highly recommend checking it out.
Not sure I'll ever see one in the wild but but on someone.
But time will tell. Last week you came home from
Berlin and to my great surprise and delight, yes, you just out
(10:56):
of the blue. Number one, we don't go to
movies that often anymore. Like it just kind of, I don't
know, maybe it was the pandemic and you know, whatever.
It's a lot of habit. The habit has died and we we
have what I consider a nice entertainment system at home.
Oh, I was going to say, and we have extremely different tastes
in movies. I thought that's what you were
(11:16):
going to say. Yeah.
Yeah, but we also, we built a nice, you know, during the
pandemic, we built this at home so we could really enjoy movies
at home. And that's what we've been
doing. And so you out of nowhere to me
said, hey, you want to go see The Naked Gun?
And my response was, you know, the Naked Gun, Have you seen the
(11:40):
originals? What are you talking about?
Because it just didn't seem at all like a movie that you would
be interested in. Yes, but The thing is, I this
what people learn a lot about mewith this.
I, I'm a very big Lonely Island fan.
I, I just, I think they're very funny.
And Akiva Schaefer was the director of this movie.
(12:04):
He's in The Lonely Island. And so that was the thing that
really made me like, OK, I want to see it.
And also, I really like Liam Neeson.
I think Pamela Anderson is back and doing really cool things.
And overall, it just like, it looked funny and kind of funny,
dumb. And I was like, in that mood.
I thought I'd have to wait untilit was at home.
You know, I, I don't love going to the theater by myself
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anymore. I used to do it all the time.
Like I would go see movies by myself every month.
You know, this is 1520 years ago, but I used to do that all
the time. I don't really do that anymore.
I'll just watch them at home. But I was going to wait for this
one. You offered that and then I
thought, OK, have you seen the original?
And you said no. So I was like, let's watch the
(12:47):
original, or at least part of itto make sure you're into this.
And again. Spoiler alert, I am this.
I found my genre of humor for sure.
It's the Naked Gun but loved it.There was something very
unexpected. Which is why we're bringing it
up right now. Watches.
Watches in the first Naked Gun, the original, the whole plot
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revolves around like mind control via watches.
Yes. So I was like, Oh my God.
So for those of you who don't know, OK, number one, I don't
think I've ever seen, you know, I love looking at these lists of
cool watches from movies and I know all the greatest hits.
You know, you got back to the future, you've got the Bond
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series. Like there's so many movies with
great watches in them and and I feel like it's been very, very
well covered. I am going to stump every
interviewer when they ask me, ohwhat's your favorite watch from
cinema and I say the original Naked Gun.
Well, OK, it's I don't know if we can spoil a movie from 1988,
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but they, the watches are quite involved.
But there's only one we could identify and it's the one worn
by Reggie Jackson, who does basically a cameo as himself,
and he is wearing a Lebaron 4800.
It's like an analog digital display.
(14:16):
And I don't know how they got these watches to mind control
people. They don't go into those
details. Look, this isn't science.
This is a police police parody, so you know.
But it is fun, yes, and Leslie Nielsen's character, right,
Frank he also because a little bit of a spoof on like spy
(14:36):
movies like Double O 7 stuff. His watch can also shoot like
tranquilizer darts. So watches are really big.
Every good like spy movie, police movie, if they have the,
you know, they go to the lab andthen someone's like here's a
watch and it does a cool thing. Like I'm always into that.
Shooting tranquilizer darts, though.
(14:57):
I don't think I don't think it'slike a recipe for success
overall. I I think I shouldn't.
Very easy to. Accidentally do it to yourself.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let me turn the all drank
to myself again. OK, but the new one, I'll just
say it's, it's really laugh out loud funny.
If you like the type of humor, Isuggest going to see it in the
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theater because it's fun to laugh with a group of people.
Yeah. And I thought 1 funny thing in
Sweden though, is it is an American movie and there are a
few very American references, one especially to football,
American football. And that was so funny because
you're in a theater that's been laughing, laughing, laughing.
(15:40):
And then he makes quite funny jokes and there's just dead
silence. It's, it wasn't just about
American football. It was like very specific
terminology. Yeah, that if you don't know
American football specifically for sure, then you won't get it.
And even for me, I'm like. The thing I also didn't get it.
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I think I get. The joke.
I think I get it. I don't even remember the joke.
He definitely he definitely didn't yeah, maybe not one of
the many things I love about youI.
Think that this is a very fun movie to watch, unless you who
don't like silly things like if you're willing to just let go
and just laugh. Then go for it.
And not pick apart the story like it's this is not about like
(16:22):
really getting the details right.
It's more about going on a fun journey.
Just fun and I'm actually going to pre use this for the end.
This is my the best for the weekbecause it's just fun.
I will definitely take my sisterand her husband when I go home
to visit my family. OK, I want to talk about my new
watch that I'm wearing right now.
Yes, a birthday watch. But to get.
(16:44):
There and a birthday trip. To get to that part of the
story, I first have to talk about my new camera.
This is a very, I mean, anyone who's been listening to this
podcast, they're like, we are not surprised by this.
It was like, wait, listen here, before I can talk about this, I
have to talk about that and why it plays into.
(17:04):
This it does play into this, butanyone who listens to this
podcast also probably just like Skier.
I think it's hard to be really into multiple watches and not be
a person who is inclined to likethings.
Yeah, right. I I'm not saying everyone.
We call them dummies like I and I'm, I'm saying that as a as a
(17:25):
dummy, as a dummy who's like, I love stuff, I love gear.
I need more. How many backpacks?
All the backpacks? How many backs do I have one?
We're not going to talk how. Many wrists.
Do I have two? How many watches do I need 20?
So five months ago, ish Sigma, who who has been known for many,
many years as a great third party lens manufacturer.
(17:49):
They also make cameras though, and they have for years, but
they're very small. You could call them like they're
small batch cameras, right? Like not big sellers around the
world. They announced a new camera
called the Sigma BF. And BF stands for Beautiful
Foolishness. As someone in branding, I love
that because they were just likejust call it out.
(18:11):
No one needs this. No one needs this block of
steel. Yeah, but beautiful foolishness
really describes the camera. Very.
Well, based on a poem. It is based on a poem from like
19 O six. Yeah, this Japanese poem, and I
don't remember the author of it,but you can look that up.
Beautiful foolishness. Super cool way to also just
(18:34):
label the camera because it calls out right from the
beginning the fact that there isa foolish side to the design of
this. And as I went through watching
people talk about this camera, it reminded me a lot of the
watch industry and how people talk about new watches and
what's necessary and what's not necessary.
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And a lot of it is just about what we've been told we need as
opposed to what is actually useful.
And with watches, it's even lessso because you don't take
pictures. With watches, I mean, you do
tell the time so that you want them to be legible.
Outside of that, most features are maybe a little bit more
(19:16):
geared towards what watches usedto be to people as opposed to
what they are now. Whereas with cameras, you're
still, they are meant to be, well, most of them are meant to
be this functional piece. Yeah, Beautiful Foolishness is
like what you kind of want to say about watch collecting
overall. You're like, you know, actually
beautiful. Foolishness.
(19:36):
And the beautiful. The beautiful is just youth
trying to make it sound a littlenicer.
Yeah, it's just foolishness, butwe're going to go with
beautiful. I think what?
Is beautiful foolishness, Yes. So OK, Sigma, the first lens I
ever bought was a Sigma. So I have fond memories of
Sigma, but they weren't known 30years ago as like the highest
(19:56):
quality. It was more like here is an
affordable option and they made a lot of them, but they have
really turned around and I. Look at Sigma and my love for
Sigma that has come up recently,mirroring again a lot of what
I've done with watches. So Sigma is family owned and
independent and that has been like something I've been more
(20:17):
interested in watches. It's like going towards more
independent things. They were founded in 1961.
Like they've been around a long time, especially in the camera
industry and have a lot of heritage.
They do things very differently with cameras.
So their cameras are usually theweirdos, ones that don't fit the
the typical mold and they care alot about manufacturing and the
(20:39):
origin of their manufacturing. So they're all about made in
Izu. They don't outsource their
manufacturing because they believe they can do it best in
house. And so it really mirrors a lot
of what not not everything, but a lot of what I think about for
watches. But then another thing that I
(21:00):
really thought was interesting about this launch is that the
camera itself, people just don'tunderstand it.
And I think I feel that way a lot with watch releases.
As well that's. True, and the the the the camera
is gorgeous. It's a mill out of a solid block
of aluminum. It takes 2 CNC machines working
together to produce it. It takes 7 hours to mill one
(21:22):
body right? So they can only make 9 a day.
It's like this whole. Thing it's all the same watch
storytelling like no, no, listen, listen, this, this one
takes a long time. Yeah, yeah, it takes a long
time. You don't understand the
craftsmanship. Exactly.
And so like that's the part of the the allure is that it's
(21:45):
difficult to make. It takes a long time.
There won't be as many made. And then also it's a super
minimalist camera. So there's no EVF.
You can't bring it U to your eye.
That's was the the most difficult thing for me and still
is because I like to have an EVF.
I'm old I. Viewfinder so you can see it.
(22:06):
Then that's the electronic viewfinder.
And like I started with SLRS, film SLRS, that was my first
cameras, well, probably first cameras were point shoots, but
like when I started getting intophotography, it was film SLRS.
So I'm very used to bringing a camera up to my eye and taking
photos that way, and this one doesn't have that.
Oh, he is Gen. Z now.
(22:27):
This guy's just holding up the phone.
To see how this. Although they're all shooting
film now so it's fine. Yeah, now they're all back to
shooting film. To see how this would work as a
camera for me, I decided that wewere going to go on a birthday
trip for me for my birthday. Oh, I guess I bought myself the
(22:48):
camera for my birthday. That's so nice of me.
Or just because you wanted it and no, you're like closest
event birthday. And we're you had planned a
birthday trip to glass suit day and I was like, I'll just bring
this camera and 1 lens it the 45millimeter 2.8.
So they also made these matchingsilver lenses.
(23:09):
So it's like the beautiful pack.Everything about it is
beautiful. And I was like, I will just
bring this camera and lens on the trip.
And I took, I don't know, maybe 1015 hundred photos total over
the course of what the trip was like. 5 days.
Amazing. I like that you're like, I
really need to tell you about this camera just because I
(23:32):
brought it on the trip. No, no, no, wait.
I guess that is, yeah, the camera wasn't the impetus for
the trip. No, the trip was for your
birthday. Yeah, to go to Glass suite, but.
I know we talk about like the 11watch for a trip.
To me, it's also a big deal to bring one.
It is, I agree, I've done it. Before we, we did Vietnam and
(23:53):
Tokyo three weeks, I only brought the like AQ2, like that
kind of stuff I find really interesting because it's easy to
pack multiple options. And so sometimes to just strip
it down to a very minimalist camera camera and then make that
part of my minimalist setup of only taking pictures with that.
I didn't take iPhone photos. I only took pictures with that
(24:16):
and it was truly amazing. OK, so now we're going to talk
about the trip. I needed to go to Glass suite
for work because I'm a brand consultant for no most class
suite you. Make it sound way less like a
birthday trip. Well, first of all, but I, I
just wanted to say that because I am working with them and I'm
most definitely biased. So I'm just telling everyone, I
mean, if you've listened to the podcast before, you know, like.
(24:38):
I have to update our website. I loved no most before and
honestly I love them even more now.
So I'm just a fan and getting togo and visit the manufacturer
again, like we've done it twice for the forum previous years.
And so that was like a a quickervisit and not being with a big
group. And this was like just three of
(25:01):
us walking around being able to ask anything we wanted and three
of us being one person from normalcy Boo and I, and we had
such a fun time. So just, you know, keep that in
mind. Totally biased.
My this is my completely biased opinion as someone who is like a
huge fan girl still of the brand.
Yes, absolutely true. You made it sound way less like
(25:24):
a birthday trip, but that's OK. That's OK.
No the. Because we.
Spent a lot of time doing birthday things.
We did. And, and the birthday part was
that I actually haven't been back to visit since last forum
because I've been working out ofthe design office in Berlin.
And so this was a moment where Iwanted to like, get to dive into
(25:45):
everything and ask as many questions.
So then who else would I bring but the, the most question asker
and the person who wants to likedive deepest on everything, Then
you. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I and then. And so you framed it as a
birthday trip. I, I The thing is, the trip
itself ended up being the very birthday for me, more so than
(26:09):
many, many years because I don'tactually care about my birthday.
Like, it's an excuse to maybe like, say, oh, that's the reason
I bought a camera or that's the reason you gave me a gift, which
is the, the new watch that I have on my wrist.
But it's not really something wecelebrate usually.
I usually work through my birthdays.
This was awesome because not only did you have plans for my
(26:32):
birthday and being in Glasute. Glasute is for those of you who
haven't been there yet. It is a very small town.
Village. Yeah, where there's a lot of
German watchmaking, right. So you have obviously Nomos, you
have Alan Zone, you have Glossite Original, you have
(26:52):
Wempe, you have more. It's Grossman.
Like there's a lot of watchmaking in this tiny little
valley. Like it's very, very small.
And so it's a it's a fascinatingtown, but really, that's what
the town exists. For, and this is like German
watch, like this is the kind of the center of German watchmaking
in the tiniest, coolest little place.
(27:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've been there twice
because of normal form. We went with Britain James.
And like we even went before forum started and we drove
around and we were like, Oh yeah, no, this is tiny.
It's, it's a small place, but it's also beautiful.
It's surrounded by nature. And we thought since we love
nature, this would be a great place for us to spend the
weekend, even though we've been told by other people like
(27:36):
there's nothing to do there. But for us, like maybe that's a
little bit different. Also, I tried to tell everyone
we live in the countryside. I mean, what do we do other than
podcasts? Not in our garage.
So OK, a few of the fun birthdayparts, because that's what led
up to me getting the watch was like Nomos lent us their
(27:58):
defender, Defender 90, which is Land Rover Defender.
And it's a nice small size. I forget what year it's from,
from the 90s, but it was so cool.
I, I've always liked Defenders. Oh, it was from the early 2000s,
like 2001. I've always liked Defenders,
(28:20):
Land Rover Defenders, but only from a looks perspective.
I've never ridden in one, never driven 1, and I've owned a Jeep
CJ7. I know what it's like to have an
off road vehicle, but I owned that in California and I would
take it all over the place and never really needed low drive.
I never needed to mess with the gearbox and like really utilize
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the full capabilities even when I was going on fairly wild
places. Never needed it, but we got to
use it and it was super fun and so I went out by myself or sorry
went out with the the person whowho has that vehicle at normals
and he showed it to me and then I took you out and you were
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blown away because. When I got in the car and I was
like, this is like a truck kind of thing and like, there's
nothing for me here, but it's fine.
Like this is a cool thing. You get to use the Land Rover.
I've heard on the Gray NATO, youknow, Jason talking so much
about Land Rover and how fun it is and Defender.
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And so I've like heard it in like quite a bit.
My dad had a Jeep at some point.I think I was in high school.
So I was like my hair, you know,yeah, probably like just, you
know, again, kind of not appreciating it because the real
way to have them is that they should be a bit beat up.
So I think I always saw them as this like thing, Oh man, I was
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just like, Boo, I don't care if your leg hurts from the clutch.
We're going to keep going on this off roading non-stop,
non-stop. I thought it was so fun.
Yeah, it was super cool. So I get it and it's part of, to
me, part of the watch collector kit for some people is like a a
cool adventure vehicle. And the Land Rover Defender is
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is on the short list of cool adventure vehicles that you
might wear a vintage like Explorer and, you know, hang
your arm out the window while driving your vintage Ledger.
Over Defender and I'm I'm like slowly reading through the
nomals lexicon. They're like encyclopedia.
And then I saw a photo of the Land Rover in it and I was very
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excited. It was newer when it was when it
was new. Brand new, yeah, which is really
because they've had it for for over 20 years.
Really, really cool. We also got to go also thanks to
nomals the to the Glaciute Observatory, which was built in
1910. It's actually in some ways part
of the foundation of Glaciute asa watchmaking town.
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We got a a whole explanation andtour of how you know.
Also it was built and it was opened on in 1910 on June 26th,
my birthday. What?
OK, that's really cool. We didn't find that out until
afterwards, but yeah, it was super cool.
But prior to that, in order to get the time right, because you
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had watchmakers there, in order to get like, what time is it?
They were getting Morse code from Berlin.
This kind of blew my mind. I, I have to say I, I
infrequently think about like history, OK, but some history
things where you're like, OK, modern day, it's so simple.
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You have all these, you know, wehave many different ways we can
see now we have digital devices where it's like, OK, I can see
the exact time when she started talking because the guide when
she started talking about like. Like how this time keeping.
It was wild. Yeah, yeah.
So when they built and opened this observatory, it gave
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Glasutte independence as a watchmaking place because
suddenly they could track their own time and that made such a
huge difference. So it gave them independence
from Berlin and other needing toget time from elsewhere.
They were able to track their own time and that has become a
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very historical place in Glasgow.
But it is now like it, it kind of went through a period where
it wasn't being used. I like a period of like 50 years
or whatever. Now it is a functional
observatory and we got to go in.I mean, it's at the end of June,
so not exactly the best time forstargazing, but we still did
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some deep sky viewing. It was really cool.
And what I liked best was hearing the watchmaking history
of that place. Yeah, and a really cool thing,
or like a mysterious thing. It's like in Glass Suite,
there's a lot of mines and the original telescope has been lost
where we don't know, but it's like very mysterious and you
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think like one day does this artifact or the person who stole
it just. Which should we go?
But no, I don't want to go in the mind, no.
Why? Why?
I wonder why they think it's in one of the minds.
No, I don't think so. I think it was more like it
could be anywhere, but I like tothink that it's in the mind,
yeah. We have to go far.
Someone hid it away, you know, during the war and like, someone
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tried to take it. I don't know.
I feel like an Indiana Jones vibe.
It's like the Ark of the Covenant, but it's this old
telescope where the technology is not useful anymore, but you
know you want to find it for thehistory.
It's just like that it went missing.
It's super interesting. Yeah, that's true.
So then we did a tour like Nomosis made-up of multiple different
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buildings within Glaciute because as they expanded, they
bought more buildings and we dida tour of these facilities
again. Yes, which was so cool because
OK, so Nomos again, this is justme bragging now as someone who
gets to work with them, but theyreally take in house to heart.
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Like they really, they have an off site production facility
where they're making most of theparts that go into the watch and
that's a place where in the 1st.What's on site I.
Mean on site, Yeah, it's just down the street, down the.
Street, it's just a separate. Building it's.
Not off site. Off a 5 minute car ride.
Yes, it is a 5 minute car. Ride still.
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Within. They call it Schlossowitz.
It is just a really cool place where they're manufacturing the
parts. On the tours that we did
previously. This was a a part where I didn't
really understand, like how you know, you kind of like, OK,
you're making the tiny watch pieces.
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As they are called. As they are.
The tiny watch pieces. But as you actually go through,
and especially this time becausewe had time to talk to more
people and as was doing a great job translating from German to
English for us and back and forth.
But really, it's amazing to see how all of these, like, metal
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rods become these tiny little pieces that then go into your
watch and like, how many hands touch the process all the way
through. Because even with the machines,
it's not like, OK, here, beep, boop, beep, boop.
Done. Also, there was no beep boop.
No, but you know, all of the machines are being calibrated,
they're being QA tested by people, people are taking them
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from one place to another, They're being cleaned every time
in between. Like, I think I understood it a
lot more, which, you know, was the point of us going on this
very, like more intensive tour. I think there's a, a thought
sometimes that because machineryis used in things like
watchmaking that it just makes it a, a, an automated process.
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It's like, no, the machine, it'skind of like like, OK, you know
me with all of my experience with woodworking, I mean, I have
electronic tools. I even, we even have ACNC
machine here. And even if you make something
and you utilize those machines, they number one, they only do
what you tell them to do, but also they can only do certain
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parts of the process, the machines, the machines and then
the rest is still handwork, right?
And that's the way I see watchmaking, that there is a
level of automation you can achieve, but there are certain
things that only people can do well, and that's still the case.
Yeah, it really, it really is. And especially because Nomos is
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making their own escapement, which so few brands really do.
And that makes them independent in the biggest way from the
Swiss industry, which is where alot of people get their
escapements. And it's kind of this heartbeat
of the watch. It's like really what makes it
tick. So I think going through slowly
and seeing that and seeing each piece and like walking through
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and it's like, OK, this tiny piece goes from here to here.
The tiny, tiny pieces, correct names, you know, of all these
pieces of the escapement of the swing system just so, so small.
Like I guess that that's the part that continues to blow my
mind. And it's why like when you have
an open case back, I think people are so fascinated with
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it. And I know that there's like
some people are like, oh, you should only have a really nice
movement with an open case back.I'm much both of us are much
more like let people see how it works because it gives you more
appreciation. The well, number one, really
nice can also mean different things to different people.
I I think what what a lot of people are talking about is
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like, if it's not like a highly hand finished movement, then it
doesn't deserve to be on display.
And what I'd say is that when I got my first mechanical watch,
which is 1520 years ago, like I,I had an open case bag and it
was a basic EDDA movement, not expensive at all.
The watch itself was under $1000.
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It was not decorated, what I considered now decorated.
And yet at the time I thought itwas amazing and beautiful and
fascinating. And so I don't think we should
be taking away open case backs from people because usually you
can appreciate it at the level you're buying it at.
So if a watch is $200 and has anopen case back, the person who
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buys that is appreciating that movement for what it is.
And if it's $20,000, that's a totally.
Exactly. And with Nomos, I mean, they're
doing beautiful movement, beautiful movements and you
know, so much finishing by hand and just, I think getting to see
the process even closer because especially on a big tour group,
I'm always the one like, no, no,you go ahead, no, no, you go
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ahead. And then we have to rush out of
the room and I'm like, oh, I didn't see it.
I'm like a little too polite to be in a group because I want
everyone else to see it. So it was, it was just super,
super cool to look up close at, you know, at how these watches
that we appreciate, these beautiful foolishness that we
appreciate are made. And then we went to visit the
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Chronometry and that's where thewatches are being put together
by watchmakers. And that also, I mean, the magic
is still there of the first timewe went to the forum and then
you go up into the attic kind ofroom and it's like, you know, 10
people and they're putting all the watches together.
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Like the final touches on it andit just, I mean, you're like,
why all of these watches that I have that are no, most watches
have gone through this room. With only a few people working.
There. And this was especially exciting
because that room was full of world timers when we were there.
And that's a watch that that wasmy first.
Launch watch with Nomos at Watches and Wonders and it's
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been so well received and it wasfun because one of the
watchmakers, he was working on the glacier watches and I know
like James Stacy was waiting forhis from the grey Natos.
I was like, oh, this? Is this could?
Be the one. Yeah, it it's it was extra fun
to walk through. And then we were asking all of
them, you know, which color theyliked most.
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So everyone was debating all the, all the different colors.
But the the one thing that I thought was really sweet is the
watchmaker who was working on the glacier.
I was like, oh, this is so cool,you know?
And he's like, oh, wait, let me show you something.
And I got so excited, Like, whatis he going to show me?
And then he's like, OK, so if you click this button, see, this
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is Berlin time and over here. And I was like, oh, he was
explaining how the world timer worked.
Yeah, but I worked on all of it.But he didn't know that.
So cute because you could see also just the joy he had for
this new mechanism in a watch that he's.
A new movement? It's a whole new movement.
It it was really, I don't know, it was just such a wholesome
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moment of like pure watch joy from a person who makes.
And I was like, I am not going to take this away.
So I was the most active. You didn't.
Say like, Oh yeah, I know. I've worn them.
I've played with them. You were like, this is amazing.
My mind is blown right now. No, it's just a really
delightful visit. I think that it yeah.
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Every time I, you know, visit Glasputay, you just see so much
love and passion put into the watches.
There's so many female watchmakers, so many.
And that's something that I've heard is like typical of
Claspute region, which is reallycool, that it's actually more
women than men as watchmakers. And yeah, I just, my mind is
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always blown to get to see how much handcraft is put in.
Yeah, and that's just watch likewatches, because they still need
people and they need watchmakersand, you know, meeting
watchmakers that are young and just out of school too.
And you're like, OK, someone still wants to do this.
And that's awesome also. Like, yeah, we met quite a few
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and, and got to have nice conversations with people and
how they chose watchmaking as a profession and why that's
interesting to them and what were other options they had
thought about. And yeah, I, I couldn't be a
watchmaker. I, I don't think I, I don't
think I can sit still for 45 minutes, let alone.
Yeah, I don't think so, as he's like fidgeting with all the
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things on the desk right now. Hard not to get like.
I should not bring a clicky pen,but I haven't clicked it once.
Yeah, I'm very proud of. You I'm, I'm just trying not to
touch that. But yeah, I I don't think I
would have the neither the patients nor the skill to work
at such small quarters of this tiny little movement and we
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putting things in there. Every time you ask me to
disentangle one of your necklaces that has gotten
tangled and I have to use a pin to slowly take that out, I get
so frustrated. There's no way that I could.
No, I don't think. Any details?
I hate it. No, it's, it's, it really is
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impressive because you see all, all of these people who, you
know, they're one of two people who can do something and that
they can tell the exact pattern of, you know, this hand
finishing to say, Oh, I know it was her who did it instead of
him. And like, that's really, really
cool and really special and something that I know I don't
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always appreciate in the watch, especially as someone who loves
the design. I don't always think about
everything that went into it andwhy this watch is special
special and why the fact that like how it works and and by,
you know, doing some watchmakingcourses like you know, 3 hour
ones let's. Not, but you've put together 2
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movements. Now I have put together 2
movements now and it really doesuse and they're big movements.
They're always like this is not tiny.
And then I really appreciate especially my small watches that
are, you know, like when you getto a 34mm automatic, then it's
like, OK, everything is smaller,everything is more packed, the
move, the movement design, you know, So yeah, I just, I felt so
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excited about watches. Yeah, and then you made a little
plan to give me a watch. Yes.
OK, so this plan had been in theworks for a little while.
Vu wanted a normals club that was in future Orange.
The Normals Club Campus Future Orange in 36mm.
In 36mm and it's not available anymore.
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So I wanted to see if there was one around.
So I asked and I was able to getone to buy for you.
And then we the plan was I wouldgive it to you because we were
at the manufacturer on your birthday on the day.
That was my birthday. And so the lovely team was like,
oh, we can wrap it up so beautifully.
And then, you know, you could. Do you want to give it to him
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alone? And I was like, no, no, listen,
here's how if it's OK, here's how I would love to give it to
him. Normos has these incredible
drawers. I could, I could stay there
forever. There's one in the Berlin office
too. And it's basically, you open it
up. I'll post a photo of this
because I have one from before, from last forum visit.
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You open it up and it's just like all the different dials
that they've tried, some that have been production, some that
aren't. There's cases.
I mean, these are like magic drawers.
When I'm in Berlin, I'm always like, can I?
Look at that drawer is where I saw the the I first saw the
Toki. Yes, Tangente Toki.
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Yeah, which is like one of my grail, like limited Nomos
watches. Yes, it has Japanese characters,
right? Kanji around the dial and the
sub dial is in red with a white dial, so kind of mirrors the
Japanese flag. It it just, yeah.
It's one of the most, like, desirable nomos, Yeah, very few
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made. Within certain circles.
It is, yes. Yeah.
But you know, these drawers are just really special.
So the first forum when we, we stopped there, you know, Britt
James Foo and I were like, Oh mygosh, because you get to see so
much history. And so I said, look, I would
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like if it's, if it's OK to put this watch in one of the drawers
just sitting there. Because then what Foo is going
to say, because I, I know this man very well is, Oh, I really
want that color. Oh, I really want that site.
I'm so will you ever make it again?
Oh, I'm so sad I missed it. Oh.
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So what you're saying is your prediction is that I would
suddenly whine about how I don'thave that watch?
Not whine, but just like complain a bit or like wishful
thinking maybe like a like you're, you know, not crying,
but a little more like, oh, I can't believe I missed it.
And so we're opening all the drawers and looking at things
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and I know where they've put it,which is, you know, again, super
sweet. And so I, you know, we open this
club drawer and you're looking through and then you're like,
oh, the 36 orange and Inez is like, I'll try it on.
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And you were like, oh, my heart can't take trying it on because
I'm a little too. I'm too sad.
I did say I didn't and so. You but you're like, OK, fine.
I mean, I have to be fair. I have been looking on the yeah.
You have you have been looking for one.
That's how I remembered that youwanted 36.
I looked through our tech text messages where you had sent me a
listing from Chrono 24, so like I.
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Decided against that one though.And so then, you know, you put
it on, aw, I'm so sad. If you ever make this one again,
I'm I just really want. And then I was like, oh, how
about you keep that one? And your face was just.
Like. Wait, what?
And everyone was laughing because they're like, he did
exactly what you said. And I was very happy with the
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whole plan. And also because something that
we realized recently, which is super weird, is that like,
you've always loved orange. But because I don't love orange,
mainly, I don't like to wear orange.
I don't think it's a color that suits me and I just don't like
it. You just decided.
Or you could also not wear orange.
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Well, OK, so years ago I think there were things we were buying
for together, like for a house and that kind of stuff.
And you had said many times already, but like, I think it's
just kind of stuck in my head that you didn't like.
Orange. We're sitting under an orange
lamp that I bought a a retro like orange.
That one I remember because I was like, but you don't like
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orange. And you're like, oh, but it's a
little, it's a little more reddish.
It's not that orange. Yeah, it's totally orange.
But I was like, Oh yeah, definitely let you buy that.
So for years I thought you hatedorange, which I don't know, it
just made me not want to wear orange as much.
So then I just cut you. Thought I was just like I hate
you in orange and I never want to see the color orange.
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I don't. I don't hate the color.
Orange, obviously not, but so I really cut down on how many
orange things I would acquire. And when you gave me this watch,
it's like it opened up a whole back to orange.
Yeah. Permission.
No, actually it was before this watch.
We talked about it a couple of months ago.
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This watch was like here, OK? Finally.
Seriously, you can just. Now I'm like, I'm like buying so
many orange things again. Which is totally funny.
I did not realize this trauma that I gave.
Believe I have a favorite color 'cause it just kind of changes
and it depends on what it's for.But orange is in my top favorite
colors, right? It's just such a great color and
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it goes well against like olive drab.
That is true. Green khaki, like that kind of
stuff against orange. Perfect.
So I'm back to orange. And to make up for a decade of
ruining my love of orange, you gave me an orange watch.
Yes, how do you, how do you likeit so to describe?
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The Watch. I love the club campus.
I love that it has what is essentially an upside down
California dial. Call it bilingual.
Yeah, I love that no one calls it bilingual, but it has the,
the 4:00 and 8:00 are the Roman numerals, which is a little
different from the typical California dial, which actually
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has Romans across the top. And so it's a very, I don't know
how to describe the orange, veryfuture orange.
No, it's just a very orange. It's an orange that I really
like. And if you've seen the club
campus before, I think 36mm. I like watches with larger
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crowns and this crown is very like prominent on.
It's not. I wouldn't call it an oversized
crown, but it's really beautiful.
Some people talk about the lugs on this watch.
I think that makes it wear better on my wrist.
It looks perfect on you I. Think the 36mm on my wrist looks
perfect in the proportions that it is and when I wear the bigger
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ones they don't feel as right for me.
It just seems like 36 is the right watch.
I I did own a 38mm in electric green and it just was never
perfect. This is perfect I love the club
it's got 100 meters water resistance it it is basically a
go anywhere. Do anything watch, right?
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So I'm very excited to have thiswatch.
It's yeah. I should have gotten the case
back engraved. I didn't.
It could just say just wear orange.
Just wear orange. That would be such a cool just.
Just just wear the orange Boo. It's totally fine.
Maybe I still will. Someday I'll I'll I'll steal it
and take it back and get. It back, get it engraved, just
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wear orange. Just it's fine.
It's. Good advice.
Well OK so this is my new watch.It is fantastic.
I love it. And also the way you gave it to
me, even though you made this. What I OK, It was an accurate
prediction. Yeah.
About my reaction, I was like, what are you going to say about
it? It's totally true.
But it it worked out and it is the right way to give me things
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like elaborate rapping and making a big deal out of the the
moment is way less enjoyable forme than you kind of tricking me.
Yeah, it was funny, though, because every like a bunch of
people were in the room because everyone.
Wanted to be at that moment. But also everyone kind of wanted
to see. So like a lot of people were
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like. 10 people. It was, it was a, it was a few.
And so it was just really, the whole thing was really
delightful. And like I said, it's been so
nice working as a consultant with Nomos.
I, you know, it's just been really, really fun.
And this was like a really, thiswas just a very special, you
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know, couple days. Yeah.
I think our journey with Nomos has been, well, it's been very
long, right? You bought me my first Nomos
over 10 years ago and like, we gave each other a few normal
Skifts over the years and then we got invited to forum and you
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know, it's just been this great and now you're working with
Nomos. And so it's been a very long and
wonderful journey, but it also, to me, mirrors how you get to
know something this well, right?Is that in the beginning you're
like slightly interested in it? I'd say it's a product and then
you might buy one and then maybeyou become a collector of them.
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And you know, we owned quite a few normal swatches.
Then we got to meet the brand through forum, and then we got
to know a lot of the people there and now you're working
with them. So I highly recommend going on
that path. Yeah, it also.
Because then you get a free nomofrom.
Your a present that I bought. Here I think it's called free
for you. Paid for it, yeah.
As a present, it was free to me,but it was also, it felt so
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surreal to be there. You know, the Nomos, one of
their main buildings is the old train station.
It's just beautiful. They also own a church that's
kind of up in the hills, an old church, and they use that for
things like the forum and other meetings.
Other watch brands rented as like a small convention hall.
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And we were staying in the apartment in there and it just
felt like such an amazing time. And then we also like got to see
two of our really good friends who are watchmakers for Longa.
And it like getting to see them too, because they're in like,
it's a place where you just have.
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This I mean, it's a place all. About watchmaking.
So like everywhere you turn you're just like watches,
watches, watches. And so we got to spend an
afternoon with them and it just,it's really cool because you
know, like with them we never would have known each other
without watches or without online and watches.
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And then we end up in this. And we met them on Instagram,
Yeah. And then get to see them in
person. And so it's that to me that
becomes so cool. And it's really representative
of like what watches can bring to your life.
I mean, I'm always like waxing poetic about this, but you know,
all the watches, they're they'rethey're not about the beautiful
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foolishness, but they're about this, you know, this amazing
thing that also connects you to people.
And none. Yeah, I mean, this has really
like the connection through Nomos has gone even beyond any
of my wildest dreams because I've, you know, didn't think I
would jump directly into watcheswith my business.
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But it's it is, it's really. Certainly not with what might be
our favorite watch brand like for the for the long term.
Yeah, and also just this idea that you are connecting with
people around the world, all of you who are listening.
Yeah, I just get very sentimental about it very
quickly. Well, watches are important to.
You and not just because you wear them on your wrist.
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No, I think that's and true, This can be for other types of
hobbies or other things, but oneof the things about watches that
you know, I've heard other people say I totally agree is
that it's one of the few things though, that you're if you're in
that hobby, you're in that club,you kind of wear it as a badge.
The. Club.
Right. And the Nomos Club, like you OK,
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it's true. You can see some watches on
people. Like maybe you'll see someone
wearing a Rolex Submariner or a date just or something like
that. There's no way to know if that
person is a watch enthusiast. But there are other brands that
if you see that, if I see someone wearing an Arkin, if I
see them wearing a Nomos, if I see them, you know, there a Zen,
you know, like there are certainwatches.
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If I see someone wearing a GrandSeiko, there's a much higher
chance that they're probably, like, interested.
Yeah. You know, they're into it.
They're a little more into, evenif they're not a collector of
many watches, it's like it feelslike a more thoughtful choice in
some way. Yeah.
And so, yeah, I think watches bring us together in very
interesting ways. And I guess watches are great.
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Watches are great. Driving through like the hills
of Glaciute in a vintage Land Rover Defender wearing my new
club. And the the defender was blue
and your watch is orange. Love that complimentary color,
complimentary colors. I also took a really cool photo
of you at the observatory with the sky and I haven't posted it
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yet. So all of those will be on our
Instagram, so you can really. Fender photo.
Yeah, all, all with the watches in front and center.
Do not worry, we know. We know not about my face.
No, all watches. So, Lydia, Yes, do you have?
I already did mine, I said. The nakedness.
That was. AI said that at the beginning I
said this is my the best. SO Boo Boo.
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Do you have the best for this week?
A recommendation. Yeah, it's just a
recommendation. I.
That is the best. It has to be the best.
But like, the way I've been thinking about it is like, it
needs to be topical to me. It's not like, oh, I'm going to
think back to three years ago something.
That's fine, yeah. So the new half of the new
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season of Wednesday just struck.For those of you who don't know,
there was a show a long time agocalled The Addams Family.
And there have been various media releases around the
universe of the Addams Family. And the most recent was a show
on Netflix a couple years ago called Wednesday starring Jenna
(59:24):
Ortega and a bunch of other people.
And it, it was a delight. And so, you know, second seasons
are always scary because can they recapture that magic?
And so far it has been really nice.
They've released 4 out of the 8 episodes and the other four come
out one month later, so the beginning of September.
So I've watched the 4 episodes. Totally worth it if you like
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that kind of thing. You can really tell I I'm
starting to realize that we, we don't have children because
we're just like, oh, here's thismedia that came out a few days
ago and I'm done with all the episodes of it.
Here's a movie I went to see. Sorry everybody are the best or
just you know us doing whatever you.
Did whatever. Well, OK, child.
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Free life. I hadn't thought about bringing
up. Well, now I am bringing it up,
but it's not the best. That was the reason I didn't
bring it up. But like, OK, so I got this wasp
sting and it was quite traumatic.
We had to go to the doctor. Now I have Epipens.
It's like this whole thing, right?
And we still have to deal with the wasp nest.
It's it's that's a project for tomorrow.
(01:00:29):
But so that whole thing, but then last night I, I don't play
a lot of Fortnite and I haven't really played for a couple
years, but I just last night I just thought, hey, I'm going to
play a few rounds of Fortnite and for some reason, and I truly
don't understand it, I was amazing.
(01:00:49):
I played 10. Games.
It was wild, actually. I played 10 games.
I only play the no build. If you play Fortnite, you
probably know what that is, but I played 10 games and I came in
first. So each one of these rounds,
it's like this battle Royale game, and each round is 100
people join and you know, you, you, you fight until there's one
(01:01:12):
left. And I came in first, seven times
out of 10. And it was over the court.
Like, we pause, you pause playing.
We had dinner. We hung out.
You know, like, it wasn't like, continuous where you're like,
OK, I keep getting better. Yeah.
Well, also again, this recommendation is like, I have
no children. I'm playing Fortnite.
That's how I spend Friday night.10 rounds of Fortnite.
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Yeah, so I think the Wasp gave me superpowers, but the powers
are limited to beating. 13 year olds at Fortnite K this lost
life it's again. No, I I really I I started to
wonder if maybe the venom got tomy brain and rewired.
(01:01:57):
Something. This is what?
It's like the worst superpower. I don't know how.
It really is. It's not useful.
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you can.
GoPro right now, but I I think it's that ship has sailed.
Well, we hope you have a great week.
Don't forget to send us in some questions, yes?
Please send. Questions and thank you so much
for listening. Have a great day.
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Bye. I think we said bye too early
this. Time bye bye bye.
Goodbye, bye, bye bye.
Welcome to this Watch LIVE. Hi, I'm Lydia Winters.
And I'm Boo Boo. And this is episode 207.
It is, and you've had quite a week, Boo Boo.
I'm feeling a lot better now, yes.
Yeah, I got better fairly quickly.
So you know, I've been trying towork out more, not trying,
(00:29):
somewhat succeeding. Yes, because you have a new
watch. Yeah, and that watch means I
have to work out. Which watch is it for those it
is who haven't heard the. Tutor FXD Cycling Edition
Chronograph Pink for the Gero d'Italia, Yes.
A watch that you have decided will change your life yes, and
(00:50):
put you on a health journey which is.
Mainly working, but I got derailed this week.
I had to. So it's been very exciting to
have this watch that forces me to work out because it the rule
I made was that in order to get to wear the watch, I'd have to
go on a bike ride. Oh, OK, because I did I.
Not tell you that. No.
And I, I have actually, you know, lightly criticized you
(01:14):
that you got the prize before you did the thing 'cause you're
trying. That was the you're.
Trying to achieve this goal for next year, but you were like,
give me that watch. OK, so the the the reason you
made me feel a little bit self-conscious.
OK, hold on this way. This.
I I liked it more of like I am like.
(01:36):
You inspired? Me amused not.
You inspired me because you you kind of pointed out that other
people use watches as rewards for achievements and I used it
somehow as like you get the reward 1st and then go do the
achievement. Where you're like, yeah, I'm
definitely going to do that achievement.
(01:56):
I'm going to do the achievement so I I thought I could get both
so I have to. Watch this I.
Haven't already. However, the only way I get to
wear it is if it's connected with the achievement getting to
the achievement. I like this.
I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, so I but some some tiny
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little terrors decided to derailme.
I went to get my bike out of theshed and unbeknownst to me there
was a brand new Yellow Jacket Nest Wasps right on the side of
the shed and when I slammed the door, which that door needs to
be slammed to close it, well they got a little angry.
(02:39):
They felt like I was attacking them, which I wasn't to be fair,
and I got stung 3 times and ran away as quickly as I could,
injuring my leg in the process because I don't know, I don't
Sprint that often. So what you're saying is health
is dangerous? Yeah, getting healthy can be
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very, very risky. And then I had a somewhat
allergic reaction, but not bad. You also threw like everything
you had. Well, luckily the watch was
attached to you. Yes, the watch was on my wrist,
but the key in my one hand just flew in the air.
I had to search for it later. I.
(03:22):
Found like I can't run with thisweight on.
When when I pulled my calf muscle which was halfway through
the run. This.
Is like being in your 40s. This.
Is my. Then the Garmin flew out of my
other hand and I had to go and retrieve that later.
But anyway. Basically on my side was just
who was like, I'm going out for a bike ride and like one second
(03:44):
later he comes in like Matt, like full Matt flew.
Through the door and I was like,I got bit.
She's like, what? What do you mean you got bit?
So anyway, it turns out I'm not definitely allergic to wash.
Which is good, because you're here talking to us.
Today, yes, yes. However, now that I have been
prescribed Epipens. Yeah, because you are pretty
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pretty. Allergic I am somewhat allergic
and the chances of my allergy going up went up by being stung
multiple times but. Anyway, welcome to this WASP
life. Yeah.
Oh boy. Oh, no, no.
OK, I have mainly recovered and so here we are.
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Here we are. And now I can wear that watch
again because I'm going to work out well tomorrow.
OK, so there is a danger in making goals for things that you
really want. And even if you do the
compromise like I did, where youget it first, but then you
create some rules around it, youmay not get to enjoy it as much
(04:48):
as you want. So this the, I think the moral
of the story here is if you wantsomething, just buy it.
Don't tie it to any goals or, ortrying to make yourself better
or anything like that. Just buy the thing and enjoy.
It now it's mine. Yeah, no guilt, nothing to have
to worry about. Okay, I yeah, it's been, it's
(05:09):
been, it's been a lot, but I'm glad you're recovering.
Okay, before we fully get into this episode, we are doing a
call for questions because we'regoing to do a Q&A episode.
And so you can submit your questions via questions at this
watchlife.com. Yeah, if you want to e-mail us
(05:29):
or on Instagram, at this Watchlife podcast, you can send
a message. Or Google.
E dot watches, Lydia's watches, Basically wherever you can find
us, you can submit a question and we would love to answer it
about watches or on. Spotify directly.
Or anything you want. Yes.
Anything. Yes, it's like anything you want
questions episode. It but don't make it about the
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Wasps because that's I feel likewe've covered it.
I don't know there, you know, people might want to understand
more about that, but this week we went up to our AD meemanzer
because we got a message. Come and look at this new watch
that came in. Yes, Which was you actually?
(06:11):
You were. I wasn't.
I wasn't interested. I'm not.
I'm not the biggest Blancpon fanor not fan.
I'm just more like it's neutral to me, which is fine.
And so we heard that they had the new 38mm, which I was like,
OK, that's fine. It will look, you know, OK on
me. It's smaller than the 42.
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People were excited about it. This is the release that they
did this weird. You know, they released the pink
version first in 38mm and everyone was like, where's the
where's? The.
Where's the black and the blue version?
And then they all also did did the black and blue versions.
And so I was pretty neutral. I will say trying it on I was
(06:54):
like I would love to have this on the rubber straps.
OK, hold on. Also, I think you're downplaying
it looks. Tiny, it does look.
Tiny it looks smaller than 38 for sure.
You are downplaying your turn. Basically I was like, hey, let's
go see this watch. And you're like, oh, I don't
really care, but I, I'd love to go visit Newmans.
We do, we do it as often as we can.
(07:16):
Anyway, you're like, let's go. But I, I, you know, I don't
really care. About the Watch.
And so we go up and you put it on your wrist and you were like,
oh, and then you went over to the mirror and you looked at it
and you came back and you said you were like, I could see this
just being a watch I wear everyday.
Yeah, I really, really loved. It your eyes had hearts in them,
(07:39):
I could see them. There's something about the 50
fathoms. First of all, it's a very
historic watch. I don't care that much about
that part. 1st I watch of that. Yeah, but I really think that it
has such a cool DNA because it has this like, I mean, when I
say it this way, it's not going to sound as good as it is, but
it has like a bloated bezel, like a like a little.
(08:03):
No, it's a bubbly. A bubble.
A bubble bezel. That's a bubble bezel.
But I, I like it. It makes it look in a way like
more fun and a little less serious somehow.
But it has a sunburst style and sunburst like a really nice
finish on the bezel. And so it also has this elegant
sporty. And it's fully polished.
(08:24):
It's fully polished. The 38 wears very small I'm
going to say 36 ish looks like on me.
Think it has the look of a 36. Especially because of the the
bulbous bezel, the the puffy, the puffy bezel.
It's because the dial is very small.
The dial's small and so then youI like big bezels.
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Can't you lie? But I was really, I was really
pleasantly surprised about this watch.
Look, I'm not typically one to say like price, price, price,
but I will say in this case. Poof, yeah, poof.
It's about 16,700 USD and €18,000 on the strap.
(09:10):
Yeah, the rubber strap it. Was a nice rubber.
Strap. It was a very nice rubber.
Strap like very comfortable, very pliable, but it doesn't
feel like the kind that will crumble after a few years.
I do like that it's very much this watch that I could wear
anywhere. No one would know what it is.
Would think it's something special.
But it's that's. A steep key walk.
(09:30):
But it's a steep price for low key.
It is what? So I actually thought I'd be
super into it. I did too.
Surprisingly, I felt that for the style and for what I like on
my wrist, it felt too small. It did immediately look too
small on you and then I was like, oh, hand it over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it it felt too small.
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I tried on the 42 again in titanium also on rubber strip
and it felt perfect because it'sit's a very short lug to lug the
42 mil and so it just even though my wrist is not big at
around 16.2cm or something, it'slike that 42 just wears very
well. I don't feel it's a watch that
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needs to be small for the wrist it's on right.
So that's why I think the 38 on your wrist looks great because
it is still not a tiny watch. It it has a lot of height to it.
It has some wrist presence. Yeah, it does.
Without being overwhelming and Ithink the 42 on my wrist, wrist
presence without being overwhelming.
And I will post some photos of it on my wrist on this Watch
(10:35):
Life podcast. Oh, did you take some?
Instagram That's good. Yeah, it's it's very, very cool.
Highly recommend checking it out.
Not sure I'll ever see one in the wild but but on someone.
But time will tell. Last week you came home from
Berlin and to my great surprise and delight, yes, you just out
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of the blue. Number one, we don't go to
movies that often anymore. Like it just kind of, I don't
know, maybe it was the pandemic and you know, whatever.
It's a lot of habit. The habit has died and we we
have what I consider a nice entertainment system at home.
Oh, I was going to say, and we have extremely different tastes
in movies. I thought that's what you were
(11:16):
going to say. Yeah.
Yeah, but we also, we built a nice, you know, during the
pandemic, we built this at home so we could really enjoy movies
at home. And that's what we've been
doing. And so you out of nowhere to me
said, hey, you want to go see The Naked Gun?
And my response was, you know, the Naked Gun, Have you seen the
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originals? What are you talking about?
Because it just didn't seem at all like a movie that you would
be interested in. Yes, but The thing is, I this
what people learn a lot about mewith this.
I, I'm a very big Lonely Island fan.
I, I just, I think they're very funny.
And Akiva Schaefer was the director of this movie.
(12:04):
He's in The Lonely Island. And so that was the thing that
really made me like, OK, I want to see it.
And also, I really like Liam Neeson.
I think Pamela Anderson is back and doing really cool things.
And overall, it just like, it looked funny and kind of funny,
dumb. And I was like, in that mood.
I thought I'd have to wait untilit was at home.
You know, I, I don't love going to the theater by myself
(12:26):
anymore. I used to do it all the time.
Like I would go see movies by myself every month.
You know, this is 1520 years ago, but I used to do that all
the time. I don't really do that anymore.
I'll just watch them at home. But I was going to wait for this
one. You offered that and then I
thought, OK, have you seen the original?
And you said no. So I was like, let's watch the
(12:47):
original, or at least part of itto make sure you're into this.
And again. Spoiler alert, I am this.
I found my genre of humor for sure.
It's the Naked Gun but loved it.There was something very
unexpected. Which is why we're bringing it
up right now. Watches.
Watches in the first Naked Gun, the original, the whole plot
(13:12):
revolves around like mind control via watches.
Yes. So I was like, Oh my God.
So for those of you who don't know, OK, number one, I don't
think I've ever seen, you know, I love looking at these lists of
cool watches from movies and I know all the greatest hits.
You know, you got back to the future, you've got the Bond
(13:33):
series. Like there's so many movies with
great watches in them and and I feel like it's been very, very
well covered. I am going to stump every
interviewer when they ask me, ohwhat's your favorite watch from
cinema and I say the original Naked Gun.
Well, OK, it's I don't know if we can spoil a movie from 1988,
(13:56):
but they, the watches are quite involved.
But there's only one we could identify and it's the one worn
by Reggie Jackson, who does basically a cameo as himself,
and he is wearing a Lebaron 4800.
It's like an analog digital display.
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And I don't know how they got these watches to mind control
people. They don't go into those
details. Look, this isn't science.
This is a police police parody, so you know.
But it is fun, yes, and Leslie Nielsen's character, right,
Frank he also because a little bit of a spoof on like spy
(14:36):
movies like Double O 7 stuff. His watch can also shoot like
tranquilizer darts. So watches are really big.
Every good like spy movie, police movie, if they have the,
you know, they go to the lab andthen someone's like here's a
watch and it does a cool thing. Like I'm always into that.
Shooting tranquilizer darts, though.
(14:57):
I don't think I don't think it'slike a recipe for success
overall. I I think I shouldn't.
Very easy to. Accidentally do it to yourself.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let me turn the all drank
to myself again. OK, but the new one, I'll just
say it's, it's really laugh out loud funny.
If you like the type of humor, Isuggest going to see it in the
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theater because it's fun to laugh with a group of people.
Yeah. And I thought 1 funny thing in
Sweden though, is it is an American movie and there are a
few very American references, one especially to football,
American football. And that was so funny because
you're in a theater that's been laughing, laughing, laughing.
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And then he makes quite funny jokes and there's just dead
silence. It's, it wasn't just about
American football. It was like very specific
terminology. Yeah, that if you don't know
American football specifically for sure, then you won't get it.
And even for me, I'm like. The thing I also didn't get it.
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I think I get. The joke.
I think I get it. I don't even remember the joke.
He definitely he definitely didn't yeah, maybe not one of
the many things I love about youI.
Think that this is a very fun movie to watch, unless you who
don't like silly things like if you're willing to just let go
and just laugh. Then go for it.
And not pick apart the story like it's this is not about like
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really getting the details right.
It's more about going on a fun journey.
Just fun and I'm actually going to pre use this for the end.
This is my the best for the weekbecause it's just fun.
I will definitely take my sisterand her husband when I go home
to visit my family. OK, I want to talk about my new
watch that I'm wearing right now.
Yes, a birthday watch. But to get.
(16:44):
There and a birthday trip. To get to that part of the
story, I first have to talk about my new camera.
This is a very, I mean, anyone who's been listening to this
podcast, they're like, we are not surprised by this.
It was like, wait, listen here, before I can talk about this, I
have to talk about that and why it plays into.
(17:04):
This it does play into this, butanyone who listens to this
podcast also probably just like Skier.
I think it's hard to be really into multiple watches and not be
a person who is inclined to likethings.
Yeah, right. I I'm not saying everyone.
We call them dummies like I and I'm, I'm saying that as a as a
(17:25):
dummy, as a dummy who's like, I love stuff, I love gear.
I need more. How many backpacks?
All the backpacks? How many backs do I have one?
We're not going to talk how. Many wrists.
Do I have two? How many watches do I need 20?
So five months ago, ish Sigma, who who has been known for many,
many years as a great third party lens manufacturer.
(17:49):
They also make cameras though, and they have for years, but
they're very small. You could call them like they're
small batch cameras, right? Like not big sellers around the
world. They announced a new camera
called the Sigma BF. And BF stands for Beautiful
Foolishness. As someone in branding, I love
that because they were just likejust call it out.
(18:11):
No one needs this. No one needs this block of
steel. Yeah, but beautiful foolishness
really describes the camera. Very.
Well, based on a poem. It is based on a poem from like
19 O six. Yeah, this Japanese poem, and I
don't remember the author of it,but you can look that up.
Beautiful foolishness. Super cool way to also just
(18:34):
label the camera because it calls out right from the
beginning the fact that there isa foolish side to the design of
this. And as I went through watching
people talk about this camera, it reminded me a lot of the
watch industry and how people talk about new watches and
what's necessary and what's not necessary.
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And a lot of it is just about what we've been told we need as
opposed to what is actually useful.
And with watches, it's even lessso because you don't take
pictures. With watches, I mean, you do
tell the time so that you want them to be legible.
Outside of that, most features are maybe a little bit more
(19:16):
geared towards what watches usedto be to people as opposed to
what they are now. Whereas with cameras, you're
still, they are meant to be, well, most of them are meant to
be this functional piece. Yeah, Beautiful Foolishness is
like what you kind of want to say about watch collecting
overall. You're like, you know, actually
beautiful. Foolishness.
(19:36):
And the beautiful. The beautiful is just youth
trying to make it sound a littlenicer.
Yeah, it's just foolishness, butwe're going to go with
beautiful. I think what?
Is beautiful foolishness, Yes. So OK, Sigma, the first lens I
ever bought was a Sigma. So I have fond memories of
Sigma, but they weren't known 30years ago as like the highest
(19:56):
quality. It was more like here is an
affordable option and they made a lot of them, but they have
really turned around and I. Look at Sigma and my love for
Sigma that has come up recently,mirroring again a lot of what
I've done with watches. So Sigma is family owned and
independent and that has been like something I've been more
(20:17):
interested in watches. It's like going towards more
independent things. They were founded in 1961.
Like they've been around a long time, especially in the camera
industry and have a lot of heritage.
They do things very differently with cameras.
So their cameras are usually theweirdos, ones that don't fit the
the typical mold and they care alot about manufacturing and the
(20:39):
origin of their manufacturing. So they're all about made in
Izu. They don't outsource their
manufacturing because they believe they can do it best in
house. And so it really mirrors a lot
of what not not everything, but a lot of what I think about for
watches. But then another thing that I
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really thought was interesting about this launch is that the
camera itself, people just don'tunderstand it.
And I think I feel that way a lot with watch releases.
As well that's. True, and the the the the camera
is gorgeous. It's a mill out of a solid block
of aluminum. It takes 2 CNC machines working
together to produce it. It takes 7 hours to mill one
(21:22):
body right? So they can only make 9 a day.
It's like this whole. Thing it's all the same watch
storytelling like no, no, listen, listen, this, this one
takes a long time. Yeah, yeah, it takes a long
time. You don't understand the
craftsmanship. Exactly.
And so like that's the part of the the allure is that it's
(21:45):
difficult to make. It takes a long time.
There won't be as many made. And then also it's a super
minimalist camera. So there's no EVF.
You can't bring it U to your eye.
That's was the the most difficult thing for me and still
is because I like to have an EVF.
I'm old I. Viewfinder so you can see it.
(22:06):
Then that's the electronic viewfinder.
And like I started with SLRS, film SLRS, that was my first
cameras, well, probably first cameras were point shoots, but
like when I started getting intophotography, it was film SLRS.
So I'm very used to bringing a camera up to my eye and taking
photos that way, and this one doesn't have that.
Oh, he is Gen. Z now.
(22:27):
This guy's just holding up the phone.
To see how this. Although they're all shooting
film now so it's fine. Yeah, now they're all back to
shooting film. To see how this would work as a
camera for me, I decided that wewere going to go on a birthday
trip for me for my birthday. Oh, I guess I bought myself the
(22:48):
camera for my birthday. That's so nice of me.
Or just because you wanted it and no, you're like closest
event birthday. And we're you had planned a
birthday trip to glass suit day and I was like, I'll just bring
this camera and 1 lens it the 45millimeter 2.8.
So they also made these matchingsilver lenses.
(23:09):
So it's like the beautiful pack.Everything about it is
beautiful. And I was like, I will just
bring this camera and lens on the trip.
And I took, I don't know, maybe 1015 hundred photos total over
the course of what the trip was like. 5 days.
Amazing. I like that you're like, I
really need to tell you about this camera just because I
(23:32):
brought it on the trip. No, no, no, wait.
I guess that is, yeah, the camera wasn't the impetus for
the trip. No, the trip was for your
birthday. Yeah, to go to Glass suite, but.
I know we talk about like the 11watch for a trip.
To me, it's also a big deal to bring one.
It is, I agree, I've done it. Before we, we did Vietnam and
(23:53):
Tokyo three weeks, I only brought the like AQ2, like that
kind of stuff I find really interesting because it's easy to
pack multiple options. And so sometimes to just strip
it down to a very minimalist camera camera and then make that
part of my minimalist setup of only taking pictures with that.
I didn't take iPhone photos. I only took pictures with that
(24:16):
and it was truly amazing. OK, so now we're going to talk
about the trip. I needed to go to Glass suite
for work because I'm a brand consultant for no most class
suite you. Make it sound way less like a
birthday trip. Well, first of all, but I, I
just wanted to say that because I am working with them and I'm
most definitely biased. So I'm just telling everyone, I
mean, if you've listened to the podcast before, you know, like.
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I have to update our website. I loved no most before and
honestly I love them even more now.
So I'm just a fan and getting togo and visit the manufacturer
again, like we've done it twice for the forum previous years.
And so that was like a a quickervisit and not being with a big
group. And this was like just three of
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us walking around being able to ask anything we wanted and three
of us being one person from normalcy Boo and I, and we had
such a fun time. So just, you know, keep that in
mind. Totally biased.
My this is my completely biased opinion as someone who is like a
huge fan girl still of the brand.
Yes, absolutely true. You made it sound way less like
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a birthday trip, but that's OK. That's OK.
No the. Because we.
Spent a lot of time doing birthday things.
We did. And, and the birthday part was
that I actually haven't been back to visit since last forum
because I've been working out ofthe design office in Berlin.
And so this was a moment where Iwanted to like, get to dive into
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everything and ask as many questions.
So then who else would I bring but the, the most question asker
and the person who wants to likedive deepest on everything, Then
you. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I and then. And so you framed it as a
birthday trip. I, I The thing is, the trip
itself ended up being the very birthday for me, more so than
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many, many years because I don'tactually care about my birthday.
Like, it's an excuse to maybe like, say, oh, that's the reason
I bought a camera or that's the reason you gave me a gift, which
is the, the new watch that I have on my wrist.
But it's not really something wecelebrate usually.
I usually work through my birthdays.
This was awesome because not only did you have plans for my
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birthday and being in Glasute. Glasute is for those of you who
haven't been there yet. It is a very small town.
Village. Yeah, where there's a lot of
German watchmaking, right. So you have obviously Nomos, you
have Alan Zone, you have Glossite Original, you have
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Wempe, you have more. It's Grossman.
Like there's a lot of watchmaking in this tiny little
valley. Like it's very, very small.
And so it's a it's a fascinatingtown, but really, that's what
the town exists. For, and this is like German
watch, like this is the kind of the center of German watchmaking
in the tiniest, coolest little place.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've been there twice
because of normal form. We went with Britain James.
And like we even went before forum started and we drove
around and we were like, Oh yeah, no, this is tiny.
It's, it's a small place, but it's also beautiful.
It's surrounded by nature. And we thought since we love
nature, this would be a great place for us to spend the
weekend, even though we've been told by other people like
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there's nothing to do there. But for us, like maybe that's a
little bit different. Also, I tried to tell everyone
we live in the countryside. I mean, what do we do other than
podcasts? Not in our garage.
So OK, a few of the fun birthdayparts, because that's what led
up to me getting the watch was like Nomos lent us their
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defender, Defender 90, which is Land Rover Defender.
And it's a nice small size. I forget what year it's from,
from the 90s, but it was so cool.
I, I've always liked Defenders. Oh, it was from the early 2000s,
like 2001. I've always liked Defenders,
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Land Rover Defenders, but only from a looks perspective.
I've never ridden in one, never driven 1, and I've owned a Jeep
CJ7. I know what it's like to have an
off road vehicle, but I owned that in California and I would
take it all over the place and never really needed low drive.
I never needed to mess with the gearbox and like really utilize
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the full capabilities even when I was going on fairly wild
places. Never needed it, but we got to
use it and it was super fun and so I went out by myself or sorry
went out with the the person whowho has that vehicle at normals
and he showed it to me and then I took you out and you were
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blown away because. When I got in the car and I was
like, this is like a truck kind of thing and like, there's
nothing for me here, but it's fine.
Like this is a cool thing. You get to use the Land Rover.
I've heard on the Gray NATO, youknow, Jason talking so much
about Land Rover and how fun it is and Defender.
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And so I've like heard it in like quite a bit.
My dad had a Jeep at some point.I think I was in high school.
So I was like my hair, you know,yeah, probably like just, you
know, again, kind of not appreciating it because the real
way to have them is that they should be a bit beat up.
So I think I always saw them as this like thing, Oh man, I was
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just like, Boo, I don't care if your leg hurts from the clutch.
We're going to keep going on this off roading non-stop,
non-stop. I thought it was so fun.
Yeah, it was super cool. So I get it and it's part of, to
me, part of the watch collector kit for some people is like a a
cool adventure vehicle. And the Land Rover Defender is
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is on the short list of cool adventure vehicles that you
might wear a vintage like Explorer and, you know, hang
your arm out the window while driving your vintage Ledger.
Over Defender and I'm I'm like slowly reading through the
nomals lexicon. They're like encyclopedia.
And then I saw a photo of the Land Rover in it and I was very
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excited. It was newer when it was when it
was new. Brand new, yeah, which is really
because they've had it for for over 20 years.
Really, really cool. We also got to go also thanks to
nomals the to the Glaciute Observatory, which was built in
1910. It's actually in some ways part
of the foundation of Glaciute asa watchmaking town.
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We got a a whole explanation andtour of how you know.
Also it was built and it was opened on in 1910 on June 26th,
my birthday. What?
OK, that's really cool. We didn't find that out until
afterwards, but yeah, it was super cool.
But prior to that, in order to get the time right, because you
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had watchmakers there, in order to get like, what time is it?
They were getting Morse code from Berlin.
This kind of blew my mind. I, I have to say I, I
infrequently think about like history, OK, but some history
things where you're like, OK, modern day, it's so simple.
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You have all these, you know, wehave many different ways we can
see now we have digital devices where it's like, OK, I can see
the exact time when she started talking because the guide when
she started talking about like. Like how this time keeping.
It was wild. Yeah, yeah.
So when they built and opened this observatory, it gave
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Glasutte independence as a watchmaking place because
suddenly they could track their own time and that made such a
huge difference. So it gave them independence
from Berlin and other needing toget time from elsewhere.
They were able to track their own time and that has become a
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very historical place in Glasgow.
But it is now like it, it kind of went through a period where
it wasn't being used. I like a period of like 50 years
or whatever. Now it is a functional
observatory and we got to go in.I mean, it's at the end of June,
so not exactly the best time forstargazing, but we still did
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some deep sky viewing. It was really cool.
And what I liked best was hearing the watchmaking history
of that place. Yeah, and a really cool thing,
or like a mysterious thing. It's like in Glass Suite,
there's a lot of mines and the original telescope has been lost
where we don't know, but it's like very mysterious and you
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think like one day does this artifact or the person who stole
it just. Which should we go?
But no, I don't want to go in the mind, no.
Why? Why?
I wonder why they think it's in one of the minds.
No, I don't think so. I think it was more like it
could be anywhere, but I like tothink that it's in the mind,
yeah. We have to go far.
Someone hid it away, you know, during the war and like, someone
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tried to take it. I don't know.
I feel like an Indiana Jones vibe.
It's like the Ark of the Covenant, but it's this old
telescope where the technology is not useful anymore, but you
know you want to find it for thehistory.
It's just like that it went missing.
It's super interesting. Yeah, that's true.
So then we did a tour like Nomosis made-up of multiple different
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buildings within Glaciute because as they expanded, they
bought more buildings and we dida tour of these facilities
again. Yes, which was so cool because
OK, so Nomos again, this is justme bragging now as someone who
gets to work with them, but theyreally take in house to heart.
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Like they really, they have an off site production facility
where they're making most of theparts that go into the watch and
that's a place where in the 1st.What's on site I.
Mean on site, Yeah, it's just down the street, down the.
Street, it's just a separate. Building it's.
Not off site. Off a 5 minute car ride.
Yes, it is a 5 minute car. Ride still.
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Within. They call it Schlossowitz.
It is just a really cool place where they're manufacturing the
parts. On the tours that we did
previously. This was a a part where I didn't
really understand, like how you know, you kind of like, OK,
you're making the tiny watch pieces.
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As they are called. As they are.
The tiny watch pieces. But as you actually go through,
and especially this time becausewe had time to talk to more
people and as was doing a great job translating from German to
English for us and back and forth.
But really, it's amazing to see how all of these, like, metal
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rods become these tiny little pieces that then go into your
watch and like, how many hands touch the process all the way
through. Because even with the machines,
it's not like, OK, here, beep, boop, beep, boop.
Done. Also, there was no beep boop.
No, but you know, all of the machines are being calibrated,
they're being QA tested by people, people are taking them
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from one place to another, They're being cleaned every time
in between. Like, I think I understood it a
lot more, which, you know, was the point of us going on this
very, like more intensive tour. I think there's a, a thought
sometimes that because machineryis used in things like
watchmaking that it just makes it a, a, an automated process.
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It's like, no, the machine, it'skind of like like, OK, you know
me with all of my experience with woodworking, I mean, I have
electronic tools. I even, we even have ACNC
machine here. And even if you make something
and you utilize those machines, they number one, they only do
what you tell them to do, but also they can only do certain
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parts of the process, the machines, the machines and then
the rest is still handwork, right?
And that's the way I see watchmaking, that there is a
level of automation you can achieve, but there are certain
things that only people can do well, and that's still the case.
Yeah, it really, it really is. And especially because Nomos is
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making their own escapement, which so few brands really do.
And that makes them independent in the biggest way from the
Swiss industry, which is where alot of people get their
escapements. And it's kind of this heartbeat
of the watch. It's like really what makes it
tick. So I think going through slowly
and seeing that and seeing each piece and like walking through
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and it's like, OK, this tiny piece goes from here to here.
The tiny, tiny pieces, correct names, you know, of all these
pieces of the escapement of the swing system just so, so small.
Like I guess that that's the part that continues to blow my
mind. And it's why like when you have
an open case back, I think people are so fascinated with
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it. And I know that there's like
some people are like, oh, you should only have a really nice
movement with an open case back.I'm much both of us are much
more like let people see how it works because it gives you more
appreciation. The well, number one, really
nice can also mean different things to different people.
I I think what what a lot of people are talking about is
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like, if it's not like a highly hand finished movement, then it
doesn't deserve to be on display.
And what I'd say is that when I got my first mechanical watch,
which is 1520 years ago, like I,I had an open case bag and it
was a basic EDDA movement, not expensive at all.
The watch itself was under $1000.
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It was not decorated, what I considered now decorated.
And yet at the time I thought itwas amazing and beautiful and
fascinating. And so I don't think we should
be taking away open case backs from people because usually you
can appreciate it at the level you're buying it at.
So if a watch is $200 and has anopen case back, the person who
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buys that is appreciating that movement for what it is.
And if it's $20,000, that's a totally.
Exactly. And with Nomos, I mean, they're
doing beautiful movement, beautiful movements and you
know, so much finishing by hand and just, I think getting to see
the process even closer because especially on a big tour group,
I'm always the one like, no, no,you go ahead, no, no, you go
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ahead. And then we have to rush out of
the room and I'm like, oh, I didn't see it.
I'm like a little too polite to be in a group because I want
everyone else to see it. So it was, it was just super,
super cool to look up close at, you know, at how these watches
that we appreciate, these beautiful foolishness that we
appreciate are made. And then we went to visit the
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Chronometry and that's where thewatches are being put together
by watchmakers. And that also, I mean, the magic
is still there of the first timewe went to the forum and then
you go up into the attic kind ofroom and it's like, you know, 10
people and they're putting all the watches together.
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Like the final touches on it andit just, I mean, you're like,
why all of these watches that I have that are no, most watches
have gone through this room. With only a few people working.
There. And this was especially exciting
because that room was full of world timers when we were there.
And that's a watch that that wasmy first.
Launch watch with Nomos at Watches and Wonders and it's
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been so well received and it wasfun because one of the
watchmakers, he was working on the glacier watches and I know
like James Stacy was waiting forhis from the grey Natos.
I was like, oh, this? Is this could?
Be the one. Yeah, it it's it was extra fun
to walk through. And then we were asking all of
them, you know, which color theyliked most.
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So everyone was debating all the, all the different colors.
But the the one thing that I thought was really sweet is the
watchmaker who was working on the glacier.
I was like, oh, this is so cool,you know?
And he's like, oh, wait, let me show you something.
And I got so excited, Like, whatis he going to show me?
And then he's like, OK, so if you click this button, see, this
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is Berlin time and over here. And I was like, oh, he was
explaining how the world timer worked.
Yeah, but I worked on all of it.But he didn't know that.
So cute because you could see also just the joy he had for
this new mechanism in a watch that he's.
A new movement? It's a whole new movement.
It it was really, I don't know, it was just such a wholesome
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moment of like pure watch joy from a person who makes.
And I was like, I am not going to take this away.
So I was the most active. You didn't.
Say like, Oh yeah, I know. I've worn them.
I've played with them. You were like, this is amazing.
My mind is blown right now. No, it's just a really
delightful visit. I think that it yeah.
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Every time I, you know, visit Glasputay, you just see so much
love and passion put into the watches.
There's so many female watchmakers, so many.
And that's something that I've heard is like typical of
Claspute region, which is reallycool, that it's actually more
women than men as watchmakers. And yeah, I just, my mind is
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always blown to get to see how much handcraft is put in.
Yeah, and that's just watch likewatches, because they still need
people and they need watchmakersand, you know, meeting
watchmakers that are young and just out of school too.
And you're like, OK, someone still wants to do this.
And that's awesome also. Like, yeah, we met quite a few
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and, and got to have nice conversations with people and
how they chose watchmaking as a profession and why that's
interesting to them and what were other options they had
thought about. And yeah, I, I couldn't be a
watchmaker. I, I don't think I, I don't
think I can sit still for 45 minutes, let alone.
Yeah, I don't think so, as he's like fidgeting with all the
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things on the desk right now. Hard not to get like.
I should not bring a clicky pen,but I haven't clicked it once.
Yeah, I'm very proud of. You I'm, I'm just trying not to
touch that. But yeah, I I don't think I
would have the neither the patients nor the skill to work
at such small quarters of this tiny little movement and we
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putting things in there. Every time you ask me to
disentangle one of your necklaces that has gotten
tangled and I have to use a pin to slowly take that out, I get
so frustrated. There's no way that I could.
No, I don't think. Any details?
I hate it. No, it's, it's, it really is
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impressive because you see all, all of these people who, you
know, they're one of two people who can do something and that
they can tell the exact pattern of, you know, this hand
finishing to say, Oh, I know it was her who did it instead of
him. And like, that's really, really
cool and really special and something that I know I don't
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always appreciate in the watch, especially as someone who loves
the design. I don't always think about
everything that went into it andwhy this watch is special
special and why the fact that like how it works and and by,
you know, doing some watchmakingcourses like you know, 3 hour
ones let's. Not, but you've put together 2
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movements. Now I have put together 2
movements now and it really doesuse and they're big movements.
They're always like this is not tiny.
And then I really appreciate especially my small watches that
are, you know, like when you getto a 34mm automatic, then it's
like, OK, everything is smaller,everything is more packed, the
move, the movement design, you know, So yeah, I just, I felt so
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excited about watches. Yeah, and then you made a little
plan to give me a watch. Yes.
OK, so this plan had been in theworks for a little while.
Vu wanted a normals club that was in future Orange.
The Normals Club Campus Future Orange in 36mm.
In 36mm and it's not available anymore.
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So I wanted to see if there was one around.
So I asked and I was able to getone to buy for you.
And then we the plan was I wouldgive it to you because we were
at the manufacturer on your birthday on the day.
That was my birthday. And so the lovely team was like,
oh, we can wrap it up so beautifully.
And then, you know, you could. Do you want to give it to him
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alone? And I was like, no, no, listen,
here's how if it's OK, here's how I would love to give it to
him. Normos has these incredible
drawers. I could, I could stay there
forever. There's one in the Berlin office
too. And it's basically, you open it
up. I'll post a photo of this
because I have one from before, from last forum visit.
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You open it up and it's just like all the different dials
that they've tried, some that have been production, some that
aren't. There's cases.
I mean, these are like magic drawers.
When I'm in Berlin, I'm always like, can I?
Look at that drawer is where I saw the the I first saw the
Toki. Yes, Tangente Toki.
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Yeah, which is like one of my grail, like limited Nomos
watches. Yes, it has Japanese characters,
right? Kanji around the dial and the
sub dial is in red with a white dial, so kind of mirrors the
Japanese flag. It it just, yeah.
It's one of the most, like, desirable nomos, Yeah, very few
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made. Within certain circles.
It is, yes. Yeah.
But you know, these drawers are just really special.
So the first forum when we, we stopped there, you know, Britt
James Foo and I were like, Oh mygosh, because you get to see so
much history. And so I said, look, I would
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like if it's, if it's OK to put this watch in one of the drawers
just sitting there. Because then what Foo is going
to say, because I, I know this man very well is, Oh, I really
want that color. Oh, I really want that site.
I'm so will you ever make it again?
Oh, I'm so sad I missed it. Oh.
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So what you're saying is your prediction is that I would
suddenly whine about how I don'thave that watch?
Not whine, but just like complain a bit or like wishful
thinking maybe like a like you're, you know, not crying,
but a little more like, oh, I can't believe I missed it.
And so we're opening all the drawers and looking at things
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and I know where they've put it,which is, you know, again, super
sweet. And so I, you know, we open this
club drawer and you're looking through and then you're like,
oh, the 36 orange and Inez is like, I'll try it on.
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And you were like, oh, my heart can't take trying it on because
I'm a little too. I'm too sad.
I did say I didn't and so. You but you're like, OK, fine.
I mean, I have to be fair. I have been looking on the yeah.
You have you have been looking for one.
That's how I remembered that youwanted 36.
I looked through our tech text messages where you had sent me a
listing from Chrono 24, so like I.
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Decided against that one though.And so then, you know, you put
it on, aw, I'm so sad. If you ever make this one again,
I'm I just really want. And then I was like, oh, how
about you keep that one? And your face was just.
Like. Wait, what?
And everyone was laughing because they're like, he did
exactly what you said. And I was very happy with the
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whole plan. And also because something that
we realized recently, which is super weird, is that like,
you've always loved orange. But because I don't love orange,
mainly, I don't like to wear orange.
I don't think it's a color that suits me and I just don't like
it. You just decided.
Or you could also not wear orange.
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Well, OK, so years ago I think there were things we were buying
for together, like for a house and that kind of stuff.
And you had said many times already, but like, I think it's
just kind of stuck in my head that you didn't like.
Orange. We're sitting under an orange
lamp that I bought a a retro like orange.
That one I remember because I was like, but you don't like
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orange. And you're like, oh, but it's a
little, it's a little more reddish.
It's not that orange. Yeah, it's totally orange.
But I was like, Oh yeah, definitely let you buy that.
So for years I thought you hatedorange, which I don't know, it
just made me not want to wear orange as much.
So then I just cut you. Thought I was just like I hate
you in orange and I never want to see the color orange.
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I don't. I don't hate the color.
Orange, obviously not, but so I really cut down on how many
orange things I would acquire. And when you gave me this watch,
it's like it opened up a whole back to orange.
Yeah. Permission.
No, actually it was before this watch.
We talked about it a couple of months ago.
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This watch was like here, OK? Finally.
Seriously, you can just. Now I'm like, I'm like buying so
many orange things again. Which is totally funny.
I did not realize this trauma that I gave.
Believe I have a favorite color 'cause it just kind of changes
and it depends on what it's for.But orange is in my top favorite
colors, right? It's just such a great color and
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it goes well against like olive drab.
That is true. Green khaki, like that kind of
stuff against orange. Perfect.
So I'm back to orange. And to make up for a decade of
ruining my love of orange, you gave me an orange watch.
Yes, how do you, how do you likeit so to describe?
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The Watch. I love the club campus.
I love that it has what is essentially an upside down
California dial. Call it bilingual.
Yeah, I love that no one calls it bilingual, but it has the,
the 4:00 and 8:00 are the Roman numerals, which is a little
different from the typical California dial, which actually
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has Romans across the top. And so it's a very, I don't know
how to describe the orange, veryfuture orange.
No, it's just a very orange. It's an orange that I really
like. And if you've seen the club
campus before, I think 36mm. I like watches with larger
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crowns and this crown is very like prominent on.
It's not. I wouldn't call it an oversized
crown, but it's really beautiful.
Some people talk about the lugs on this watch.
I think that makes it wear better on my wrist.
It looks perfect on you I. Think the 36mm on my wrist looks
perfect in the proportions that it is and when I wear the bigger
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ones they don't feel as right for me.
It just seems like 36 is the right watch.
I I did own a 38mm in electric green and it just was never
perfect. This is perfect I love the club
it's got 100 meters water resistance it it is basically a
go anywhere. Do anything watch, right?
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So I'm very excited to have thiswatch.
It's yeah. I should have gotten the case
back engraved. I didn't.
It could just say just wear orange.
Just wear orange. That would be such a cool just.
Just just wear the orange Boo. It's totally fine.
Maybe I still will. Someday I'll I'll I'll steal it
and take it back and get. It back, get it engraved, just
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wear orange. Just it's fine.
It's. Good advice.
Well OK so this is my new watch.It is fantastic.
I love it. And also the way you gave it to
me, even though you made this. What I OK, It was an accurate
prediction. Yeah.
About my reaction, I was like, what are you going to say about
it? It's totally true.
But it it worked out and it is the right way to give me things
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like elaborate rapping and making a big deal out of the the
moment is way less enjoyable forme than you kind of tricking me.
Yeah, it was funny, though, because every like a bunch of
people were in the room because everyone.
Wanted to be at that moment. But also everyone kind of wanted
to see. So like a lot of people were
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like. 10 people. It was, it was a, it was a few.
And so it was just really, the whole thing was really
delightful. And like I said, it's been so
nice working as a consultant with Nomos.
I, you know, it's just been really, really fun.
And this was like a really, thiswas just a very special, you
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know, couple days. Yeah.
I think our journey with Nomos has been, well, it's been very
long, right? You bought me my first Nomos
over 10 years ago and like, we gave each other a few normal
Skifts over the years and then we got invited to forum and you
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know, it's just been this great and now you're working with
Nomos. And so it's been a very long and
wonderful journey, but it also, to me, mirrors how you get to
know something this well, right?Is that in the beginning you're
like slightly interested in it? I'd say it's a product and then
you might buy one and then maybeyou become a collector of them.
(54:11):
And you know, we owned quite a few normal swatches.
Then we got to meet the brand through forum, and then we got
to know a lot of the people there and now you're working
with them. So I highly recommend going on
that path. Yeah, it also.
Because then you get a free nomofrom.
Your a present that I bought. Here I think it's called free
for you. Paid for it, yeah.
As a present, it was free to me,but it was also, it felt so
(54:35):
surreal to be there. You know, the Nomos, one of
their main buildings is the old train station.
It's just beautiful. They also own a church that's
kind of up in the hills, an old church, and they use that for
things like the forum and other meetings.
Other watch brands rented as like a small convention hall.
(54:55):
And we were staying in the apartment in there and it just
felt like such an amazing time. And then we also like got to see
two of our really good friends who are watchmakers for Longa.
And it like getting to see them too, because they're in like,
it's a place where you just have.
(55:18):
This I mean, it's a place all. About watchmaking.
So like everywhere you turn you're just like watches,
watches, watches. And so we got to spend an
afternoon with them and it just,it's really cool because you
know, like with them we never would have known each other
without watches or without online and watches.
(55:38):
And then we end up in this. And we met them on Instagram,
Yeah. And then get to see them in
person. And so it's that to me that
becomes so cool. And it's really representative
of like what watches can bring to your life.
I mean, I'm always like waxing poetic about this, but you know,
all the watches, they're they'rethey're not about the beautiful
(56:01):
foolishness, but they're about this, you know, this amazing
thing that also connects you to people.
And none. Yeah, I mean, this has really
like the connection through Nomos has gone even beyond any
of my wildest dreams because I've, you know, didn't think I
would jump directly into watcheswith my business.
(56:24):
But it's it is, it's really. Certainly not with what might be
our favorite watch brand like for the for the long term.
Yeah, and also just this idea that you are connecting with
people around the world, all of you who are listening.
Yeah, I just get very sentimental about it very
quickly. Well, watches are important to.
You and not just because you wear them on your wrist.
(56:47):
No, I think that's and true, This can be for other types of
hobbies or other things, but oneof the things about watches that
you know, I've heard other people say I totally agree is
that it's one of the few things though, that you're if you're in
that hobby, you're in that club,you kind of wear it as a badge.
The. Club.
Right. And the Nomos Club, like you OK,
(57:09):
it's true. You can see some watches on
people. Like maybe you'll see someone
wearing a Rolex Submariner or a date just or something like
that. There's no way to know if that
person is a watch enthusiast. But there are other brands that
if you see that, if I see someone wearing an Arkin, if I
see them wearing a Nomos, if I see them, you know, there a Zen,
you know, like there are certainwatches.
(57:30):
If I see someone wearing a GrandSeiko, there's a much higher
chance that they're probably, like, interested.
Yeah. You know, they're into it.
They're a little more into, evenif they're not a collector of
many watches, it's like it feelslike a more thoughtful choice in
some way. Yeah.
And so, yeah, I think watches bring us together in very
interesting ways. And I guess watches are great.
(57:53):
Watches are great. Driving through like the hills
of Glaciute in a vintage Land Rover Defender wearing my new
club. And the the defender was blue
and your watch is orange. Love that complimentary color,
complimentary colors. I also took a really cool photo
of you at the observatory with the sky and I haven't posted it
(58:16):
yet. So all of those will be on our
Instagram, so you can really. Fender photo.
Yeah, all, all with the watches in front and center.
Do not worry, we know. We know not about my face.
No, all watches. So, Lydia, Yes, do you have?
I already did mine, I said. The nakedness.
That was. AI said that at the beginning I
said this is my the best. SO Boo Boo.
(58:38):
Do you have the best for this week?
A recommendation. Yeah, it's just a
recommendation. I.
That is the best. It has to be the best.
But like, the way I've been thinking about it is like, it
needs to be topical to me. It's not like, oh, I'm going to
think back to three years ago something.
That's fine, yeah. So the new half of the new
(59:00):
season of Wednesday just struck.For those of you who don't know,
there was a show a long time agocalled The Addams Family.
And there have been various media releases around the
universe of the Addams Family. And the most recent was a show
on Netflix a couple years ago called Wednesday starring Jenna
(59:24):
Ortega and a bunch of other people.
And it, it was a delight. And so, you know, second seasons
are always scary because can they recapture that magic?
And so far it has been really nice.
They've released 4 out of the 8 episodes and the other four come
out one month later, so the beginning of September.
So I've watched the 4 episodes. Totally worth it if you like
(59:48):
that kind of thing. You can really tell I I'm
starting to realize that we, we don't have children because
we're just like, oh, here's thismedia that came out a few days
ago and I'm done with all the episodes of it.
Here's a movie I went to see. Sorry everybody are the best or
just you know us doing whatever you.
Did whatever. Well, OK, child.
(01:00:08):
Free life. I hadn't thought about bringing
up. Well, now I am bringing it up,
but it's not the best. That was the reason I didn't
bring it up. But like, OK, so I got this wasp
sting and it was quite traumatic.
We had to go to the doctor. Now I have Epipens.
It's like this whole thing, right?
And we still have to deal with the wasp nest.
It's it's that's a project for tomorrow.
(01:00:29):
But so that whole thing, but then last night I, I don't play
a lot of Fortnite and I haven't really played for a couple
years, but I just last night I just thought, hey, I'm going to
play a few rounds of Fortnite and for some reason, and I truly
don't understand it, I was amazing.
(01:00:49):
I played 10. Games.
It was wild, actually. I played 10 games.
I only play the no build. If you play Fortnite, you
probably know what that is, but I played 10 games and I came in
first. So each one of these rounds,
it's like this battle Royale game, and each round is 100
people join and you know, you, you, you fight until there's one
(01:01:12):
left. And I came in first, seven times
out of 10. And it was over the court.
Like, we pause, you pause playing.
We had dinner. We hung out.
You know, like, it wasn't like, continuous where you're like,
OK, I keep getting better. Yeah.
Well, also again, this recommendation is like, I have
no children. I'm playing Fortnite.
That's how I spend Friday night.10 rounds of Fortnite.
(01:01:36):
Yeah, so I think the Wasp gave me superpowers, but the powers
are limited to beating. 13 year olds at Fortnite K this lost
life it's again. No, I I really I I started to
wonder if maybe the venom got tomy brain and rewired.
(01:01:57):
Something. This is what?
It's like the worst superpower. I don't know how.
It really is. It's not useful.
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you can.
GoPro right now, but I I think it's that ship has sailed.
Well, we hope you have a great week.
Don't forget to send us in some questions, yes?
Please send. Questions and thank you so much
for listening. Have a great day.
(01:02:17):
Bye. I think we said bye too early
this. Time bye bye bye.
Goodbye, bye, bye bye.
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