December 30, 2025 • 36 mins
On Today's Show: Dennis refers to a scene in the new film, Slumdog Millionaire, in which a character blinds a young boy to make him a more effective beggar. Is someone who does something so evil, so alien to the rest of us really human?
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Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of
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To be or not to be? That is the question?
Where was God? Isn't God supposed to be good, supposed
to love us?
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Does God want us to suffer ten years?
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You're not Dennis yet?
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Why did you go come here?
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Who are you?
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Bruce?
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I'm God Bingo Yazi?
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Is that your final answer?
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Our services God? Bing ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Well,
it was nice to meet you guy.
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Thank you for the Grand Canyon and good luck.
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With the apocalypse. Hey, everybody, this is the Ultimate Issues
Hour on the Dennis Prager Show. Each week at this
time I devote the hour to some great, overwhelming issue.
And you can't get greater or more overwhelming than the
question of evil. And there are so many aspects of
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this question. Let me tell you what it Isn't it's
a separate subject. When we've covered, and we'll cover again,
I promise. And you heard it in the famous introduction
to the Ultimate Issues Hour that we've just played, and
so I'm not discussing why there is evil in light
of God's existence. That's the problem. It's called theodicy. How
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do you justify God and evil? That's not my question.
My question today is about evil specifically, and I'm going
to get letters and call. So let me tell you, now,
what do I mean by evil? I'll tell you. Here's
an example. Okay, I'll tell you what I mean by evil.
There is a movie that is titled slum Dog Millionaire.
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It is a British movie. It is made in India
with Indian actors, and it is a powerful film and
it is about kids who are orphaned, parents killed. Usually
the parents are killed in some violence that has taken
place in some internecine warfare or just pugrum type activity
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in India. Anyway. It is about two brothers in particular
and a girl that one of the brothers loves from childhood.
But here is an example of evil. There is a
depiction of a man who walks around, a handsome looking
man who walks around and who sees orphans on the
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street homeless, and he offers them coca cola on a
hot day, and they come with him and he treats
them beautifully in the beginning, and gradually you come to
see what a sadist, or at least what a totally
cruel man he is. And among the things that he
does is randomly takes some of the children and he
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pours a boiling oil into their eyes to blind them,
and that way they can get double the money when
they beg There is a lot of a child begging
in India. Parenthetically, you know what a big fan I
am of India. I took my listeners on a cruise there,
and I've been there myself four times and enjoy it thoroughly.
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It's a very very fascinating country to me. Be that
as it may, that's evil where you burn out a
children's eyes so that you can collect more money using
them as blind beggars. Do we all agree that that's evil? Okay?
Roy Roy is dissenting, He's not certain, But beyond Roy,
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most human beings would in fact acknowledge that I was
about to take out one of his eyes and then
ask him and any event, that's pretty obvious, all right,
I'm not I purposely chose. I didn't choose a political
evil so that nobody would think I have a political agenda.
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Here.
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I have no political agenda. I have a moral agenda.
In fact, I always have a moral agenda. Just politics
is one aspect of it. But in any event, there's
that clear. So now you know what I mean by
real evil. That's real evil. And so the question for
us today is why is there evil? There is so
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much of it. Why is it there? There are four
answers that I have, but I want to post to
you a bigger question, one that I have mentioned only
in passing, but the Ultimate Issues Hour gives me the
opportunity to real flesh it out. I have come to
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a sort of provisional conclusion that there is such a
gulf between the decent and the indecent. And I mean
the decent in the I don't mean every look, everybody
does something indecent in life. I'm not talking about between
sinners and nonsinners, because there are no nonsinners. I'm talking
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about the decent and the guy who pours oil into
children's eyes, all right, And that and that I have
come to a tentative conclusion that for all intents and purposes,
in other words, not I'm not talking now biologically, but
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for all intents and purposes, there are two species of
humans beings in the truly bad and the rest of us,
not the even decent and indies, and the truly bad
and the rest of us. Let me give you an example,
because it doesn't exist anywhere else. It doesn't. Let us say,
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for example, if you knew somebody who could not stand
any food but preferred tree bark, you would say, this
person is almost like a member of another species, Homo sapiens.
Like meat or ice cream or pizza or whatever food
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you like, but not tree bark. So if you knew
somebody who liked tree bark, or if you knew a
group of people individuals all over the world who preferred
tree bark, you would say, it's essentially a different species.
But we don't have that in food. Yes, there are
different culinary taste. There are places in the world where
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they like to eat cat, but that's cultural. I mean,
for all intents and purposes, they like to eat the
same food as we do. Everybody likes to eat a
living being or a vegetable or a fruit. I mean,
that's the way it is. That's what we like around
the world. Everybody, or nearly everybody likes music, and nearly
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every male at least likes watching sports. I mean, we
have certain things that are just universal. There is one
area of life where there is an absolute, thick line
of demarcation dividing two groups, and that is on the
issue of evil. There really are people who like and
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love and do hurt others regularly. The existence of those
people is a riddle to humanity. Many people will argue
it's the work of the devil. Now, I don't happen
to believe in that, and I'm not going to argue.
We're not having an hour arguing whether there's a devil.
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It's not my point at all. And I respect those
who believe in the devil. I don't laugh at that.
I don't happen to believe in it, but I don't
laugh at it. I'll tell you why I don't laugh
at it. I don't laugh at it because the problem
of real evil is so great that it does seem
to be that there is a supernatural force of evil
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operating here, that that it does seem that way where
there are people who are who do things that are
so alien to the rest of us. See see, let
me explain this again, and it needs explanation, and I'm
glad you're not calling it. It means you're listening that
I'll tell you soon. I want to take your calls.
I want your theories, but I want I want to
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bounce these all if you first. You see, every one
of us basically can understand some evil acts. We don't
do them because of conscience, but we can understand them.
I understand I understand murder. Every you. Every one of
you understands murder under conditions you can you would stop
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yourself because of conscience, but you can understand where you
would want to kill somebody. I have that with slow
drivers in the left lane, for example, I totally I
would like to shoot them. I totally understand that I'm
being tongue in cheek here, but in truth, everybody understands murder,
everybody understands thievery, and every who doesn't. A guy robs
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a bank, you don't understand that. I can't relate to that,
but you wouldn't do it because you have a conscience.
But you can relate to it. But I can't relate
to the guy who pours boiling oil on kids' eyes
so that they can and beg for money at a
double rate because they're blind. I can't relate to the torturer.
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I can't relate to a whole host of I can't
relate to the suicide bomber that I walk into a
group of men, women and children in a restaurant, none
of whom have harmed anybody, and I maim and blow
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all of them up because God thinks that's good. There
is no part of me that's as foreign to me
as the man who pours the oil in the kid's eyes.
How does this happen? And it almost makes you think
that there is a different type of species, that is
a division. I'll give you my four reasons, and I'll
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take your calls when we come back. One to eighth
Praguer seven seven six, The Ultimate Issues Hour on the
Dennis Prager Show.
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No, all right, it is Dennis Prager here the Ultimate
Issues Hour, One eighth Prager seven seven six. Every week
at this hour I devote the time to some great
issue of life, and the the issue today is one
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of the biggest. That they're that there is life? Why
is there evil? Now? And I don't. I don't mean that,
you know what, why are there evil people?
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Not?
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Why is there evil? It's important we all know why
there's evil, right, we're made with the freedom of choice.
I know that, So don't even call an about that.
Why are some people really evil? I don't mean why
are their sinners? Everybody's a sinner, so that's not the
question at all. Why do some people sometimes do a
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bad thing? That's not my question. I'm talking about real
evil where people commit that. Where I mean stories that
you read and you just shake your head, how could
somebody do that? We have come to have an answer
in our lifetime which has served as our version, the
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secular twentieth century version of the devil. It's called sick.
The devil made me do it and He's sick are
identical in my eyes. And what they're both saying is
we can't answer the question. And I don't mock either response.
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I just want those who say that he's sick to
understand that their answer is not one whit better or
more rational than there is a devil who took somebody over.
Instead of the devil taking somebody's mind over, sickness took
somebody's mind over. So it's the same thing sick is,
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as I said, the modern expression of the term satan
or the devil. So if you believe that, that's fine.
I'm not here to mock or anything like that. And
that may be true. It just maybe your mind has
been warped by satan or by psychological forces beyond your control,
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and it ends the issue. You were taken over by
sickness or you were taken over by by the devil.
I'd like to offer you my answers, okay, and they're
not the only ones, but I want to hear from
you and to add to this because this is obviously big.
By the way, I intend to do a show on
why there is good. I consider that to be. And
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you know I'm not talking about the good of a
mother waking up at night and feeding her child when
you rather sleep. That's good, of course, that's good. But
I'm talking about heroically good, just as i'm talking about
devilishly bad. But that's for another time. Now here you go.
I would like to give you five brief ones, every
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one of which might get its own ultimate issues hour book.
I'll play that by ear all right. Number one is
a lack of empathy. You do not see yourself in
the person that you are hurting. Now, this may not
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be an explanation, It may just be a description, because
it just the question, how come some people don't have
a sense of empathy? See when I and I don't
believe that I am any you know, terrific for this.
I'm just explaining how I am morally normal person which
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I am, reacts to seeing evil or reading about it.
I when when when I saw in this film slum
Dog Millionaire, the man blinding the children, My first thought was,
how could he do this? Doesn't he see himself or
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his own child if he has one in that child?
Isn't he realizing how awful that is? Because if it
would happen to him? Apparently not, for whatever reason, there
is a disconnect in the in the in those who
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do true evil. In the Manson Gang, they did not
see in their victims themselves. They were the the The
Nazis saw the Jews as not of the human race.
So you could you could burn children alive, it would
be like burning an insect. Number two, a personal sadism.
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I joy in watching others suffer. What can I say?
I mean that There's not much more to be said
about that except where does that come from. Number three
people who believe lies. If you really believed that blacks
were subhuman, then you could enslave them. It's it. It's
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not as simple as that. But you had to believe
a lie that that that skin color determined your worth,
and so if you believe the lie, then you could
act on it. Number four seeing oneself as a victim.
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This is one of the biggest, perhaps the biggest source
at least an hour time, where both individually and collectively,
you walk around and your primary identity is as a victim.
If you think, if your primary identity is I have
been screwed by the world or by others, then you
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are almost definitely going to do something evil or support evil,
because it gives you a sort of license to do so,
and you are so angry at the world you will
lash out. The suicide terrorist is first and foremost a
believer in his victimhood. And Number five fathers. It is
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pretty rare that a and most great evil is done
by males. It's hard to imagine, although I'm sure it
has happened that a male who has done great evil
was bonded to his father, who was a good man.
Bonded to a good man father is almost a guarranteur
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of non evil. All right, there you go. That's a
lifetime of thought in three minutes on something that I
have been preoccupied with since I was a child, and
that is how could people hurt others in such awful ways?
Of course, people hurt others in ways that you know,
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you know, people gossip about others, and people will hurt
others in the workplace, you know, doing something dishonest, which
is inexcusable, but it's not not in the realm of
the evil that troubled me since I am a child.
So I will take your additions. I have these five
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and they I think they do a fairly good job
of describing why people will do evil. If there's a sixth,
I'm very interested to hear from you. You are listening
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my friends, the ultimate issues our Why do people commit evil?
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And I mean real evil, I don't I don't even
mean bank robbery, I mean real, real evil. I mean
that's evil obviously, but I understand that the money's there
and they don't have much of a conscience. Okay, but
blinding orphans so that you can get them to beg
for you, as in this very powerful movie that I described,
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That's what I mean. Suicide bombers, where the purpose is
to maim and kill as many innocent people as possible.
These are these are things that just defy the normal explanation.
By the way, let me just say a word here,
because I see Cindy in Texas wants to know, do
I really have somebody named Roy on the show who
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really doesn't think that this guy? And everybody here is
laughing because poor Roy now has his name maligned around
the world, folks, I have there are two types of
humor that you just have to know. One is dark
and the other is male. Male guys who like each
other insult each other. And it was it was in
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light of that that I made up this this h
I saw Roy shaking his head. He was it was self.
You know what is the word self? Whatever humor that
he was engaged in. Okay, be that as it may.
Of course, Cindy, there's nobody who works on the Dennis
Prager Show who thinks it's okay to blind children so
that they can beg for double the money. Not even Roy.
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That is right, Dave, Dave, do not point at Roy
because Cindy might think that he your leaguest send me.
Thank you for your sensitivity. Folks, don't worry. Okay, let's
go to Dallas, Texas and John. Hello, John, Dennis.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Prager, Hey, Dennis, how are you?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm well? Thank you good.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
My opinion, Dennis, is that I believe that man's genuine,
genuine bend is towards depravity, not for good, like many
humanists believe. And I think a compelling argument for that is,
look at children. You don't have to teach a child
to hurt other children, or to lie or to covet
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their toys. You have to teach a child to tell
the truth, to be kind.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I have a different way of phrasing it, John, I said,
I don't believe that we are born depraved. I believe
that we are not born good. And that's where I
do differ exactly, and that's the biggest difference I have
with the humanists and the whole social liberal view of
the world. But there are a lot of kids who
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are not born that way. Interestingly enough, there are kids.
Do you have kids?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I do?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I have a ninth twelve eighteen year old daughter.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Okay, so maybe it isn't fair to ask, because usually
one has to have a few kids to see this.
But I'm sure you've seen this. There are kids who
seem to come out of the womb with a certain
kindness and gentleness of soul, and there are kids who
come out of the womb, you know, quite hard bitten
and so on. And so it's a mixed bag in
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that way. But I just modifying what John said, And
this was the first subject I ever talked about when
I had my own radio show. Are people basically good?
By the way? In my favorite of my four books,
and I'd love all my four books, Think a Second Time,
which is forty is at forty four of my essays.
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One of them is on the nonsense that people are
born and good and the nonsense that has pervayed a
Western society, believing that back in a moment on the
Ultimate Issues Hour.
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This is the Ultimate Issues Hour on the Dennis Prager Show.
I'm Dennis Prager. Thanks for being with me. I offer
you five reasons after a lifetime, a lifetime of reading, thinking, interviewing,
and talking to people around the world about the subject
of why people do evil, not why they sin, not
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why they do bad. But I'm talking real evil. One
eighth Prager seven seven six is the number. And I
completely understand why people will just throw up their hands
and say the devil or sick because there is a
gulf between the rest of humanity and those who do
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real evil. Not that there are no members of the
rest of humanity who, under certain circumstances could could do
that evil. That is possible. But I don't buy the
notion that everybody is a torturer inside. I don't buy that.
I don't I don't buy the notion that you know
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that somehow could I could be persuaded to a blind
a child so that I get more money from his begging.
As I gave the example from slum Dog Millionaire, that
powerful film one A Praguer seven seven six, and we
go to Atlanta, Georgia and Jim Hi Jim Dennis Prager.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Hey, Dennis Hi. Well, if that's one of those questions,
this whole thing is one thing that's kind of faceting me. Also,
And I've noticed at times there aren't people who seem
to get a weird kind of kick or thrill out
of it doing evil just because they can. That's right,
And I don't know if that fits.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's, in other words, not so much because they enjoy
it as a sadist, but because they can get away
with it. I think that's true for anti social acts.
I'm not sure it's true for evil. It's in other words,
you know, there's a I don't know, a kid who
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will a kid who will I don't know. Let's say,
throw rocks down from a bridge at a freeway, which
isn't which is evil, But it isn't because of the
joy of killing. It is because of the thrill of
doing something so wrong. Yeah, right, But all right, but
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you're right then in other words, I'm not taking issue
with you. That's a very interesting point, the thrill of
the Anti Social Act. Yeah, I think though that that
is a very small percentage, and I'm trying to work
on the larger percentages. Okay, then I'm sorry. Oh okay,
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a very thoughtful call, Jim, I thank you very much.
One eighth Prager seven seven six and Elizabeth Bowling Green, Missouri. Hello,
Elizabeth Dennis Prager.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Hello, mister Prager. And I actually had two points, but
I think I'm going to go with the most important
one to your issue here as I see it. Yes,
I've worked as a teacher and a substitute teacher, and
every so often as teachers, we see the students that
I think are the ones that hit the molds you're
talking about here, the ones that actually seem.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
To be cruel.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Yes, I'm not talking about the rule breaker, that's right,
the cruel right, Yeah, that's the cruel one. And I
think a problem we have in the school is that
the school systems and character education encourage teachers not to
say to students that is wrong, that is bad, that
is cruel, what you're doing is wrong. Instead, we use phrases.
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Now as teachers, that's not a very good choice. And
so we're encouraging them and their behaviors not to feel
bad because we don't want students to feel bad. We
don't want to hurt their self esteem. We can't guide
these students away from a wrong instinct that they may
already have.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Why you are terrific. That is exactly right. That has
been in place since the sixties seventies. It's like you
don't mark with a red pencil anymore as a teacher,
but a blue pencil. Have you been told that in
your school?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Yeah, green, purple blue, because red makes people feel bad? Yes?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I wonder how many people knew about that change. First
of all, what's wrong with feel bad? You know? I
just don't you know? There are times you should feel bad.
That's the irony, Elizabeth. Your students are lucky. Thank you?
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Do you have a good day?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Mister? Thank you very much. Alan? Where is Bowling Green, Missouri?
Why didn't I ask her she lives? There? Is that pathetic?
Let the lady go? When I ask Alan, who doesn't
I know it's on the Mississippi River. Must be nice.
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Sometimes I want to live in a place like Bowling Green, Missouri.
Does every I don't think everybody has that anyway. I
don't want to get sidetracked, but it's I wonder how
many people in urban areas have rural envy every so often?
I do you? All of you are nodding your head,
except for Dave. He didn't know the word envy. Tell
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was it rural? Was it rural? Rural? Got him confused? Yeah,
I told you. This is what guys do to other guys.
This is what we do. All right, let's go to Vineland,
New Jersey. Daniel, Hello, Daniel, Dennis Prager, how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Dennis?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
All right? Thank you.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
I want to tell you that I think you're great.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
My suggestion is just that man naturally worships himself. You
mentioned like lack of empathy, and I just see that
as as really just a simple In the end, I think,
I don't know if you believe in like an end time,
you know, the end of the world, if you will,
But I think in the end, we're gonna see man
ultimately water down all religions and just worship themselves. And
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I think that that's what causes extreme evil today.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh, I think self worship is a very real problem.
And the truth is if you don't have God above you,
why wouldn't you worship yourself? You are the highest being.
And I say this with all respect to atheists, many
of whom were wonderful people. But it's very hard. I mean,
you could say, well, I don't worship anything, but in
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a certain sense that's impossible. Something has to be the
highest being. And if there's no God above you, then
you're the highest being. It reminds me of that a
great phrase I once heard about a rich man. So
and so was a self made man, and he worships
his creator. You're listening to the Dennis Praeger Show, The
Ultimate Issues Hour.
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A lucky man, give meaning cheat them?
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So will you are lucky man? Hi? Everybody the Spragger here.
Ultimate Issues Hour on the great riddle of great evil,
not sin, not bad evil. And I'll tell you this,
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there is there is one line. There's a biblical line
that I think of when I when I think of
those who truly do evil. I'm talking about the Charles
Manson types, the Nazi types, the the the suicide, the
terrorist types, the guy who blinds the kids orphans to
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collect money as they beg as blind kids. That's what
I'm talking about here, not bank robbers. And then the
you know, the run of the milk criminal who's doing
a very bad thing. Don't get me wrong, but you know,
there's a there's a difference and and I'm thinking of
the biblical phrase and you shall burn out the evil
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from your midst. There is there is a certain evil
for whom. Uh. It's just hard to imagine any other
response than than the burning out of that of that crowd.
I don't know what else can be done. It's Charlie
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Manson been rehabilitated. I mean, you know, it's a it's
a waste of every penny that is spent on this
man that he is still alive. But bothers me, It
actually bothers me. Ah, alrighty, and uh, let's go to
uh Atlanta again. Got a lot of people in Atlanta
thinking about evil? Is there any connection, Bob, Is there
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a connection between living in Atlanta and thinking about evil?
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I came from New York originally, so I don't think.
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Okay, fair enough.
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But I got, I got a view. That's a sixth
item for you as power. I think that, and I
can give you several examples from I know Stalin to
Vito Genovies to a local gang member.
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You know what you right? You are right. I forgot
about that, and you are right that the the yearning
for power is so great they will do anything, including
vast cruelty, to.
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Have it, and it scares everybody from challenging that.
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PA. Yes, that's that's the male biography I'm reading now,
That's exactly what it's about. Who did immense, immensely cruel things.
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To be or not to be? That is the question?
Where was God? Isn't God supposed to be good, supposed
to love us?
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Does God want us to suffer ten years?
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You're not Dennis yet?
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Why did you go come here?
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Who are you?
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Bruce?
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I'm God Bingo Yazi?
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Is that your final answer?
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Our services God? Bing ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Well,
it was nice to meet you guy.
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Thank you for the Grand Canyon and good luck.
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With the apocalypse. Hey, everybody, this is the Ultimate Issues
Hour on the Dennis Prager Show. Each week at this
time I devote the hour to some great, overwhelming issue.
And you can't get greater or more overwhelming than the
question of evil. And there are so many aspects of
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this question. Let me tell you what it Isn't it's
a separate subject. When we've covered, and we'll cover again,
I promise. And you heard it in the famous introduction
to the Ultimate Issues Hour that we've just played, and
so I'm not discussing why there is evil in light
of God's existence. That's the problem. It's called theodicy. How
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do you justify God and evil? That's not my question.
My question today is about evil specifically, and I'm going
to get letters and call. So let me tell you, now,
what do I mean by evil? I'll tell you. Here's
an example. Okay, I'll tell you what I mean by evil.
There is a movie that is titled slum Dog Millionaire.
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It is a British movie. It is made in India
with Indian actors, and it is a powerful film and
it is about kids who are orphaned, parents killed. Usually
the parents are killed in some violence that has taken
place in some internecine warfare or just pugrum type activity
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in India. Anyway. It is about two brothers in particular
and a girl that one of the brothers loves from childhood.
But here is an example of evil. There is a
depiction of a man who walks around, a handsome looking
man who walks around and who sees orphans on the
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street homeless, and he offers them coca cola on a
hot day, and they come with him and he treats
them beautifully in the beginning, and gradually you come to
see what a sadist, or at least what a totally
cruel man he is. And among the things that he
does is randomly takes some of the children and he
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pours a boiling oil into their eyes to blind them,
and that way they can get double the money when
they beg There is a lot of a child begging
in India. Parenthetically, you know what a big fan I
am of India. I took my listeners on a cruise there,
and I've been there myself four times and enjoy it thoroughly.
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It's a very very fascinating country to me. Be that
as it may, that's evil where you burn out a
children's eyes so that you can collect more money using
them as blind beggars. Do we all agree that that's evil? Okay?
Roy Roy is dissenting, He's not certain, But beyond Roy,
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most human beings would in fact acknowledge that I was
about to take out one of his eyes and then
ask him and any event, that's pretty obvious, all right,
I'm not I purposely chose. I didn't choose a political
evil so that nobody would think I have a political agenda.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I have no political agenda. I have a moral agenda.
In fact, I always have a moral agenda. Just politics
is one aspect of it. But in any event, there's
that clear. So now you know what I mean by
real evil. That's real evil. And so the question for
us today is why is there evil? There is so
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much of it. Why is it there? There are four
answers that I have, but I want to post to
you a bigger question, one that I have mentioned only
in passing, but the Ultimate Issues Hour gives me the
opportunity to real flesh it out. I have come to
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a sort of provisional conclusion that there is such a
gulf between the decent and the indecent. And I mean
the decent in the I don't mean every look, everybody
does something indecent in life. I'm not talking about between
sinners and nonsinners, because there are no nonsinners. I'm talking
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about the decent and the guy who pours oil into
children's eyes, all right, And that and that I have
come to a tentative conclusion that for all intents and purposes,
in other words, not I'm not talking now biologically, but
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for all intents and purposes, there are two species of
humans beings in the truly bad and the rest of us,
not the even decent and indies, and the truly bad
and the rest of us. Let me give you an example,
because it doesn't exist anywhere else. It doesn't. Let us say,
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for example, if you knew somebody who could not stand
any food but preferred tree bark, you would say, this
person is almost like a member of another species, Homo sapiens.
Like meat or ice cream or pizza or whatever food
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you like, but not tree bark. So if you knew
somebody who liked tree bark, or if you knew a
group of people individuals all over the world who preferred
tree bark, you would say, it's essentially a different species.
But we don't have that in food. Yes, there are
different culinary taste. There are places in the world where
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they like to eat cat, but that's cultural. I mean,
for all intents and purposes, they like to eat the
same food as we do. Everybody likes to eat a
living being or a vegetable or a fruit. I mean,
that's the way it is. That's what we like around
the world. Everybody, or nearly everybody likes music, and nearly
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every male at least likes watching sports. I mean, we
have certain things that are just universal. There is one
area of life where there is an absolute, thick line
of demarcation dividing two groups, and that is on the
issue of evil. There really are people who like and
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love and do hurt others regularly. The existence of those
people is a riddle to humanity. Many people will argue
it's the work of the devil. Now, I don't happen
to believe in that, and I'm not going to argue.
We're not having an hour arguing whether there's a devil.
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It's not my point at all. And I respect those
who believe in the devil. I don't laugh at that.
I don't happen to believe in it, but I don't
laugh at it. I'll tell you why I don't laugh
at it. I don't laugh at it because the problem
of real evil is so great that it does seem
to be that there is a supernatural force of evil
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operating here, that that it does seem that way where
there are people who are who do things that are
so alien to the rest of us. See see, let
me explain this again, and it needs explanation, and I'm
glad you're not calling it. It means you're listening that
I'll tell you soon. I want to take your calls.
I want your theories, but I want I want to
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bounce these all if you first. You see, every one
of us basically can understand some evil acts. We don't
do them because of conscience, but we can understand them.
I understand I understand murder. Every you. Every one of
you understands murder under conditions you can you would stop
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yourself because of conscience, but you can understand where you
would want to kill somebody. I have that with slow
drivers in the left lane, for example, I totally I
would like to shoot them. I totally understand that I'm
being tongue in cheek here, but in truth, everybody understands murder,
everybody understands thievery, and every who doesn't. A guy robs
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a bank, you don't understand that. I can't relate to that,
but you wouldn't do it because you have a conscience.
But you can relate to it. But I can't relate
to the guy who pours boiling oil on kids' eyes
so that they can and beg for money at a
double rate because they're blind. I can't relate to the torturer.
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I can't relate to a whole host of I can't
relate to the suicide bomber that I walk into a
group of men, women and children in a restaurant, none
of whom have harmed anybody, and I maim and blow
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all of them up because God thinks that's good. There
is no part of me that's as foreign to me
as the man who pours the oil in the kid's eyes.
How does this happen? And it almost makes you think
that there is a different type of species, that is
a division. I'll give you my four reasons, and I'll
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take your calls when we come back. One to eighth
Praguer seven seven six, The Ultimate Issues Hour on the
Dennis Prager Show.
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No, all right, it is Dennis Prager here the Ultimate
Issues Hour, One eighth Prager seven seven six. Every week
at this hour I devote the time to some great
issue of life, and the the issue today is one
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of the biggest. That they're that there is life? Why
is there evil? Now? And I don't. I don't mean that,
you know what, why are there evil people?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Not?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Why is there evil? It's important we all know why
there's evil, right, we're made with the freedom of choice.
I know that, So don't even call an about that.
Why are some people really evil? I don't mean why
are their sinners? Everybody's a sinner, so that's not the
question at all. Why do some people sometimes do a
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bad thing? That's not my question. I'm talking about real
evil where people commit that. Where I mean stories that
you read and you just shake your head, how could
somebody do that? We have come to have an answer
in our lifetime which has served as our version, the
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secular twentieth century version of the devil. It's called sick.
The devil made me do it and He's sick are
identical in my eyes. And what they're both saying is
we can't answer the question. And I don't mock either response.
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I just want those who say that he's sick to
understand that their answer is not one whit better or
more rational than there is a devil who took somebody over.
Instead of the devil taking somebody's mind over, sickness took
somebody's mind over. So it's the same thing sick is,
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as I said, the modern expression of the term satan
or the devil. So if you believe that, that's fine.
I'm not here to mock or anything like that. And
that may be true. It just maybe your mind has
been warped by satan or by psychological forces beyond your control,
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and it ends the issue. You were taken over by
sickness or you were taken over by by the devil.
I'd like to offer you my answers, okay, and they're
not the only ones, but I want to hear from
you and to add to this because this is obviously big.
By the way, I intend to do a show on
why there is good. I consider that to be. And
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you know I'm not talking about the good of a
mother waking up at night and feeding her child when
you rather sleep. That's good, of course, that's good. But
I'm talking about heroically good, just as i'm talking about
devilishly bad. But that's for another time. Now here you go.
I would like to give you five brief ones, every
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one of which might get its own ultimate issues hour book.
I'll play that by ear all right. Number one is
a lack of empathy. You do not see yourself in
the person that you are hurting. Now, this may not
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be an explanation, It may just be a description, because
it just the question, how come some people don't have
a sense of empathy? See when I and I don't
believe that I am any you know, terrific for this.
I'm just explaining how I am morally normal person which
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I am, reacts to seeing evil or reading about it.
I when when when I saw in this film slum
Dog Millionaire, the man blinding the children, My first thought was,
how could he do this? Doesn't he see himself or
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his own child if he has one in that child?
Isn't he realizing how awful that is? Because if it
would happen to him? Apparently not, for whatever reason, there
is a disconnect in the in the in those who
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do true evil. In the Manson Gang, they did not
see in their victims themselves. They were the the The
Nazis saw the Jews as not of the human race.
So you could you could burn children alive, it would
be like burning an insect. Number two, a personal sadism.
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I joy in watching others suffer. What can I say?
I mean that There's not much more to be said
about that except where does that come from. Number three
people who believe lies. If you really believed that blacks
were subhuman, then you could enslave them. It's it. It's
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not as simple as that. But you had to believe
a lie that that that skin color determined your worth,
and so if you believe the lie, then you could
act on it. Number four seeing oneself as a victim.
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This is one of the biggest, perhaps the biggest source
at least an hour time, where both individually and collectively,
you walk around and your primary identity is as a victim.
If you think, if your primary identity is I have
been screwed by the world or by others, then you
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are almost definitely going to do something evil or support evil,
because it gives you a sort of license to do so,
and you are so angry at the world you will
lash out. The suicide terrorist is first and foremost a
believer in his victimhood. And Number five fathers. It is
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pretty rare that a and most great evil is done
by males. It's hard to imagine, although I'm sure it
has happened that a male who has done great evil
was bonded to his father, who was a good man.
Bonded to a good man father is almost a guarranteur
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of non evil. All right, there you go. That's a
lifetime of thought in three minutes on something that I
have been preoccupied with since I was a child, and
that is how could people hurt others in such awful ways?
Of course, people hurt others in ways that you know,
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you know, people gossip about others, and people will hurt
others in the workplace, you know, doing something dishonest, which
is inexcusable, but it's not not in the realm of
the evil that troubled me since I am a child.
So I will take your additions. I have these five
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and they I think they do a fairly good job
of describing why people will do evil. If there's a sixth,
I'm very interested to hear from you. You are listening
to the Dennis Prager Show, most specifically the Ultimate Issues hour,
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And I mean real evil, I don't I don't even
mean bank robbery, I mean real, real evil. I mean
that's evil obviously, but I understand that the money's there
and they don't have much of a conscience. Okay, but
blinding orphans so that you can get them to beg
for you, as in this very powerful movie that I described,
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That's what I mean. Suicide bombers, where the purpose is
to maim and kill as many innocent people as possible.
These are these are things that just defy the normal explanation.
By the way, let me just say a word here,
because I see Cindy in Texas wants to know, do
I really have somebody named Roy on the show who
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really doesn't think that this guy? And everybody here is
laughing because poor Roy now has his name maligned around
the world, folks, I have there are two types of
humor that you just have to know. One is dark
and the other is male. Male guys who like each
other insult each other. And it was it was in
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light of that that I made up this this h
I saw Roy shaking his head. He was it was self.
You know what is the word self? Whatever humor that
he was engaged in. Okay, be that as it may.
Of course, Cindy, there's nobody who works on the Dennis
Prager Show who thinks it's okay to blind children so
that they can beg for double the money. Not even Roy.
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That is right, Dave, Dave, do not point at Roy
because Cindy might think that he your leaguest send me.
Thank you for your sensitivity. Folks, don't worry. Okay, let's
go to Dallas, Texas and John. Hello, John, Dennis.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Prager, Hey, Dennis, how are you?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm well? Thank you good.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
My opinion, Dennis, is that I believe that man's genuine,
genuine bend is towards depravity, not for good, like many
humanists believe. And I think a compelling argument for that is,
look at children. You don't have to teach a child
to hurt other children, or to lie or to covet
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their toys. You have to teach a child to tell
the truth, to be kind.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I have a different way of phrasing it, John, I said,
I don't believe that we are born depraved. I believe
that we are not born good. And that's where I
do differ exactly, and that's the biggest difference I have
with the humanists and the whole social liberal view of
the world. But there are a lot of kids who
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are not born that way. Interestingly enough, there are kids.
Do you have kids?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I do?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I have a ninth twelve eighteen year old daughter.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Okay, so maybe it isn't fair to ask, because usually
one has to have a few kids to see this.
But I'm sure you've seen this. There are kids who
seem to come out of the womb with a certain
kindness and gentleness of soul, and there are kids who
come out of the womb, you know, quite hard bitten
and so on. And so it's a mixed bag in
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that way. But I just modifying what John said, And
this was the first subject I ever talked about when
I had my own radio show. Are people basically good?
By the way? In my favorite of my four books,
and I'd love all my four books, Think a Second Time,
which is forty is at forty four of my essays.
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One of them is on the nonsense that people are
born and good and the nonsense that has pervayed a
Western society, believing that back in a moment on the
Ultimate Issues Hour.
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This is the Ultimate Issues Hour on the Dennis Prager Show.
I'm Dennis Prager. Thanks for being with me. I offer
you five reasons after a lifetime, a lifetime of reading, thinking, interviewing,
and talking to people around the world about the subject
of why people do evil, not why they sin, not
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why they do bad. But I'm talking real evil. One
eighth Prager seven seven six is the number. And I
completely understand why people will just throw up their hands
and say the devil or sick because there is a
gulf between the rest of humanity and those who do
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real evil. Not that there are no members of the
rest of humanity who, under certain circumstances could could do
that evil. That is possible. But I don't buy the
notion that everybody is a torturer inside. I don't buy that.
I don't I don't buy the notion that you know
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that somehow could I could be persuaded to a blind
a child so that I get more money from his begging.
As I gave the example from slum Dog Millionaire, that
powerful film one A Praguer seven seven six, and we
go to Atlanta, Georgia and Jim Hi Jim Dennis Prager.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Hey, Dennis Hi. Well, if that's one of those questions,
this whole thing is one thing that's kind of faceting me. Also,
And I've noticed at times there aren't people who seem
to get a weird kind of kick or thrill out
of it doing evil just because they can. That's right,
And I don't know if that fits.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's, in other words, not so much because they enjoy
it as a sadist, but because they can get away
with it. I think that's true for anti social acts.
I'm not sure it's true for evil. It's in other words,
you know, there's a I don't know, a kid who
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will a kid who will I don't know. Let's say,
throw rocks down from a bridge at a freeway, which
isn't which is evil, But it isn't because of the
joy of killing. It is because of the thrill of
doing something so wrong. Yeah, right, But all right, but
(28:21):
you're right then in other words, I'm not taking issue
with you. That's a very interesting point, the thrill of
the Anti Social Act. Yeah, I think though that that
is a very small percentage, and I'm trying to work
on the larger percentages. Okay, then I'm sorry. Oh okay,
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a very thoughtful call, Jim, I thank you very much.
One eighth Prager seven seven six and Elizabeth Bowling Green, Missouri. Hello,
Elizabeth Dennis Prager.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Hello, mister Prager. And I actually had two points, but
I think I'm going to go with the most important
one to your issue here as I see it. Yes,
I've worked as a teacher and a substitute teacher, and
every so often as teachers, we see the students that
I think are the ones that hit the molds you're
talking about here, the ones that actually seem.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
To be cruel.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Yes, I'm not talking about the rule breaker, that's right,
the cruel right, Yeah, that's the cruel one. And I
think a problem we have in the school is that
the school systems and character education encourage teachers not to
say to students that is wrong, that is bad, that
is cruel, what you're doing is wrong. Instead, we use phrases.
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Now as teachers, that's not a very good choice. And
so we're encouraging them and their behaviors not to feel
bad because we don't want students to feel bad. We
don't want to hurt their self esteem. We can't guide
these students away from a wrong instinct that they may
already have.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Why you are terrific. That is exactly right. That has
been in place since the sixties seventies. It's like you
don't mark with a red pencil anymore as a teacher,
but a blue pencil. Have you been told that in
your school?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (30:11):
Yeah, green, purple blue, because red makes people feel bad? Yes?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I wonder how many people knew about that change. First
of all, what's wrong with feel bad? You know? I
just don't you know? There are times you should feel bad.
That's the irony, Elizabeth. Your students are lucky. Thank you?
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Do you have a good day?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Mister? Thank you very much. Alan? Where is Bowling Green, Missouri?
Why didn't I ask her she lives? There? Is that pathetic?
Let the lady go? When I ask Alan, who doesn't
I know it's on the Mississippi River. Must be nice.
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Sometimes I want to live in a place like Bowling Green, Missouri.
Does every I don't think everybody has that anyway. I
don't want to get sidetracked, but it's I wonder how
many people in urban areas have rural envy every so often?
I do you? All of you are nodding your head,
except for Dave. He didn't know the word envy. Tell
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was it rural? Was it rural? Rural? Got him confused? Yeah,
I told you. This is what guys do to other guys.
This is what we do. All right, let's go to Vineland,
New Jersey. Daniel, Hello, Daniel, Dennis Prager, how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Dennis?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
All right? Thank you.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
I want to tell you that I think you're great.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
My suggestion is just that man naturally worships himself. You
mentioned like lack of empathy, and I just see that
as as really just a simple In the end, I think,
I don't know if you believe in like an end time,
you know, the end of the world, if you will,
But I think in the end, we're gonna see man
ultimately water down all religions and just worship themselves. And
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I think that that's what causes extreme evil today.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh, I think self worship is a very real problem.
And the truth is if you don't have God above you,
why wouldn't you worship yourself? You are the highest being.
And I say this with all respect to atheists, many
of whom were wonderful people. But it's very hard. I mean,
you could say, well, I don't worship anything, but in
(32:28):
a certain sense that's impossible. Something has to be the
highest being. And if there's no God above you, then
you're the highest being. It reminds me of that a
great phrase I once heard about a rich man. So
and so was a self made man, and he worships
his creator. You're listening to the Dennis Praeger Show, The
Ultimate Issues Hour.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
I chose a bolicec is no toys, It's ten news.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
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out to post un man.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
A lucky man, give meaning cheat them?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
So will you are lucky man? Hi? Everybody the Spragger here.
Ultimate Issues Hour on the great riddle of great evil,
not sin, not bad evil. And I'll tell you this,
(33:36):
there is there is one line. There's a biblical line
that I think of when I when I think of
those who truly do evil. I'm talking about the Charles
Manson types, the Nazi types, the the the suicide, the
terrorist types, the guy who blinds the kids orphans to
(33:57):
collect money as they beg as blind kids. That's what
I'm talking about here, not bank robbers. And then the
you know, the run of the milk criminal who's doing
a very bad thing. Don't get me wrong, but you know,
there's a there's a difference and and I'm thinking of
the biblical phrase and you shall burn out the evil
(34:17):
from your midst. There is there is a certain evil
for whom. Uh. It's just hard to imagine any other
response than than the burning out of that of that crowd.
I don't know what else can be done. It's Charlie
(34:37):
Manson been rehabilitated. I mean, you know, it's a it's
a waste of every penny that is spent on this
man that he is still alive. But bothers me, It
actually bothers me. Ah, alrighty, and uh, let's go to
uh Atlanta again. Got a lot of people in Atlanta
thinking about evil? Is there any connection, Bob, Is there
(34:59):
a connection between living in Atlanta and thinking about evil?
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I came from New York originally, so I don't think.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
But I got, I got a view. That's a sixth
item for you as power. I think that, and I
can give you several examples from I know Stalin to
Vito Genovies to a local gang member.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
You know what you right? You are right. I forgot
about that, and you are right that the the yearning
for power is so great they will do anything, including
vast cruelty, to.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Have it, and it scares everybody from challenging that.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
PA. Yes, that's that's the male biography I'm reading now,
That's exactly what it's about. Who did immense, immensely cruel things.
You're good, You are good. Thank you, Bob John and Ohio,
Bennett Sacramento, Jim and Queens, New York, and two other
lines whose names are not up yet. I wish I
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