July 8, 2025 • 63 mins
In this conversation, Jerm and Vanessa Beeley, a British investigative journalist known for her extensive reporting on Middle Eastern conflicts, delve into the complex geopolitical landscape surrounding the Middle East, focusing on the roles of various nations, particularly the U.S. and Israel, and the implications of their actions on global politics. They discuss the historical context of U.S.-Israel relations, the concept of the resistance axis, and the influence of think tanks like the Brookings Institute. The chat also covers the impact of Christian Zionism, the perception of women in Iran, and the future of regional conflicts.
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Vanessa Beeley, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thanks for having me on Jim. It's good to be back on.
I always enjoy talking to you anyway.
Yes, I enjoy talking to you and every time I talk to you, you're
in a different country. Well, that's not that's not
exactly my fault, but yes, I am.Where are you now?
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Lebanon. OK.
Last time I, I think when I spoke to you, I think you were,
oh, you were in Lebanon last time I think, and then you were
in Syria before that. Yeah, yeah, I think I spoke to
you after the fall of Syria. Yes, I did, didn't I?
God, I don't know, Like the the months are disappearing at the
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moment. How is life treating you?
It's good as my friends here tell me, I'm the only white
refugee in Lebanon, so that's that's the kind of badge of
honour. Speaking of refugees, have you
heard have you heard about whiterefugees from South Africa being
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given refugee status by Trump inAmerica?
Vanessa. No, I haven't, but somehow
doesn't surprise me at all. Anything that Trump does is kind
of we were talking about this this morning.
You know, I mean, he he is comedy gold.
Unfortunately, most of his comedy has very tragic
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consequences, as they are havingnow, of course.
My microphone is off. Why do you say that?
Why do I say that? Well, because, you know, in my
opinion, Trump was, for example,brought in.
Let me just lay the ground for this discussion because I don't
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believe there's any difference between a Democrat and a
Republican president. I think there's a road map and I
think presidents are chosen for their individual role on that
road map in in that particular section of the road map.
And I was saying this back as far as 2016 when I said it was
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very clear that Hillary Clinton would not be allowed to win
because had she won, the entire resistance axis would have been
very cohesive and very united against her because she was a
known war criminal and and infanticidal maniac basically.
So there, there wouldn't have been any confusion.
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However, when Trump won, everybody sort of went into this
freefall of, oh, we can do a deal with Trump and that's his
role, right? And and he's also, I would
describe him as the economic battering ram.
I mean, if you look at everyone during these last elections was
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arguing with me blindly that, you know, but he didn't start
any wars. And I come back to the point,
you can't look at the actions ofone particular president.
You have to look at it in continuity.
And what did he do? He was basically going to put
the US embassy in occupied al quotes in Palestine.
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He was going to gift the occupied Golan Heights since
1967 back to to Israel. Basically instead of back to
Syria. He assassinated the commanders
Soleimani and Mohandas. Mohandas, the commander of the
PMU, the the Popular Mobilisation Forces in Iraq.
He introduced some of the most savage sanctions on Syria, the
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Caesar sanctions, which in my opinion were one of the main
factors that led to the fall of Syria from that.
That basically exacerbated the economic problems in Syria from
2018 onwards. And he initiated the Abraham
Accords, which of course was allabout normalisation with so
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called moderate Sunni states with Israel.
That of course had begun with the Camp David agreement back in
1979 between Egypt and Israel. And of course, Egypt I perceive
to be kind of the Ukraine of West Asia.
It's completely in debt to Europe, the Gulf states, the US,
the International Monetary Fund,the World Bank, et cetera.
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It's it's no longer really a sovereign country from a from a
governance perspective, in my opinion.
And it's collaborative with Israel both in the genocide of
the Palestinians and in profiting from that genocide.
And then if we look at, you know, Biden's term, which
everybody terms as the genocide term or Bomber Biden or Bomber
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Joe, whatever they want to call it.
But in reality, yes, you know, Biden was heavily involved, of
course, in pulling, pulling through the final solution
against Palestinians, the the final genocide of Palestinians
and the extermination of their presence from their own land in
Palestine. But actually, he was relatively
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reticent in in handing bombs over to Netanyahu compared to
Trump. And this was the argument that I
was having with everyone when when Trump was elected, you
know, everyone was telling me no, no, no, no, no.
You know, he's going to end all the wars.
He never started any wars, so he's going to end them all.
And of course, he was elected onthe promise of, of ending the
NATO war against Russia and Ukraine, right.
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And basically, after Trump had been elected, Syria fell, you
know, it, it fell in that in that period between his election
and his inauguration. And, and again, it was very
clear to me that something majorwas going to happen in that
period. After Israel came to a ceasefire
agreement, or rather, you know, another pseudo ceasefire
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agreement with Hezbollah, it became very clear to me at that
point Israel would pivot towardsSyria.
But I didn't realise how quickly, I mean, literally
before the ink had even dried onthe ceasefire agreement between
Hezbollah and Israel, the attackon Aleppo began the dawn of the
the dawn after the ceasefire agreement.
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And then if we look at, you know, if if we go back to we
were talking earlier about the 2009 strategic paper that was
published by the Brooking Institute.
I think that for me is the clearest example of how a road
map works and how each individual president has a role
on that road map. And Trump is at the the the
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final part of that road map, which is regime change in Iran,
potential US invasion, if not aninvasion, which I think they
would be insane to try and do. But that's still one of the
options in the paper. Certainly some kind of
blitzkrieg bombing campaign against the alleged nuclear
facilities of Iran, of course, again, under the pretext to
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prevent Iran having a nuclear bomb.
I mean, this gag has been running for 30 years, but we're
expected to believe it's really happening right now.
So for me, you know, yeah, Trump.
Trump is hilarious at times. I'm not going to deny that he
makes me laugh, but for all the wrong reasons.
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I mean, you know, it's almost like we're living in such a
dystopian universe where someonelike him is in control of what
is hurtling towards a potential nuclear war.
And I'm not talking about Iran. I'm talking about Israel.
There's a lot to unpack there. You were alluding to the UNI
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party, which of course seems to it gets lost, particularly on
the Trump supporters because they believe he's playing 5D
chess and we must trust the plan.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. But of course the whole thing is
about a larger trajectory that goes back a number of decades.
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How far back do you think it goes, Vanessa?
If. If we're talking.
I know that JFK wasn't particularly excited about
Israel. Well, he wasn't particularly
excited about their secret nuclear programme.
And that, in the opinion of many, is one of the reasons that
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basically he was assassinated. One of the reasons going up
against the CIA, of course, is another one.
But I mean, I see the two. It's pretty undivisible anyway,
or indivisible. It's been, it's been going on
really for decades. I mean, I would say, look,
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Israel was created as a barrier state in the Middle East.
It was created to prevent the unification of the Arab States
and the access to their own resources and, and basically
independence and true sovereignty for the states in
the region of West Asia. If you look at the placing of
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the Zionist entity, it's bang inthe middle of kind of Syria,
Lebanon, Egypt. So it acts as a barrier state.
And Robert F Kennedy Junior madeit very clear what Israel's role
is. Of course, it's a military proxy
in the region, but it also provides surveillance and
interference. Very strong word there and very
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true. You know, Israel played an
enormous role in in the final bringing down of Syria last
year, but it also provides A bulwark against any expansion
from any other nation that mightthreaten US supremacy globally.
And that includes the Belt and Rd initiative from China.
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It includes Iranian expansionism, include it
includes Russian expansionism. As we've seen, you know, Russia
has pretty much, I won't say it's been driven out of Syria.
I think it's negotiating like crazy actually with Israel to
try and remain, try and remain at its base on the eastern
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coastal area in Syria. But it's been put under
pressure, whereas that military footprint has been in Syria for
the last, I think it's around 60years now.
I've got the Witch Path to Persia document in front of me.
It's about 254 pages long. Funny thing is, most people
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don't know about it. No very quickly.
What is it? It's basically a strategy paper.
I mean, the Brookings Institute was started with Rockefeller
seed funding. It has strong connections and
the Ford Foundation, but you know, it has.
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Oh God. I mean, it has strong links to
the State Department, to the Pentagon, to the CIA, it's
working on Sustainable development goals.
It in other words, it's pushing,it's pushing through all of the
strategy that influences government policy just as in a
way Chatham House does in the UK.
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Both of them very powerful influencing organisations, but
Brookings Institute has offices in Doha, Qatar, Beijing and
China and America. I think there's one other, oh,
India, sorry, Delhi and and India.
So clearly it's it's very strategically placed also.
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But the which path to purchase astrategy document, which I think
was updated in 2016, lays out a series of methods by which to
bring about regime change in Iran or or even complete
destruction of Iran. And among those are the
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persuasion policy, which is related to the nuclear deal,
which actually was initiated by President Bush back in 2005 and
then of course, run with by Obama, abandoned by Trump.
But all of this is is part of what they're talking about in
the strategy documents. So that effectively what it's
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about is pushing Iran into a corner where it has to accept
the coercion of the US and whichof course, is always going to be
in favour of the security of Israel in the region.
Right. And so now we've seen the final
chapter, which is Trump restarting the negotiations, but
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of course, again, changing the conditions of the negotiations
mid negotiation, right? Which is what the US always
does. It's what Israel always does.
When we watch what they did withHamas, just as Hamas has
accepted a deal, they bring in another clause, which Hamas is
never going to accept. And then they point at Hamas and
say, yeah, but you're the unreasonable 1.
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And that's exactly what they've been doing with Iran.
And they're trying to make Iran look unreasonable because they
have a red line of saying, no, we, we do have the the green
light to enrich our uranium. We do have a green light in our
country to develop a missile programme.
We're not like, which country onthe planet is going to say,
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yeah, we'll just give up our missile programme.
We'll just throw away our air defences and let the US come on
in and steal our resources. I mean it's completely
unrealistic, but the other chapters focused on internal
destabilisation, which of coursewe saw back in 2022 with the so
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called women's rights protests. And I was actually in Iran
during those or, or shortly after the height of those
protests, travelling from city to city to actually take
opinions from, from people within those cities.
And then of course, the weaponization of terrorist
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groups like Mujahideen Al Khalq or MEK as people know them that
are now I think are still headquartered in Albania.
But of course, they're also situated in Azerbaijan on the
border with Iran and, and still are a serious threat to Iran's
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territorial integrity to a largedegree, or at least to the
population. And then of course, finally
there was this, this plan that if, if AUS invasion didn't work
and if US ingression didn't work, then they would weaponize
Israel against Iran. And, and the US would kind of
go, Oh no, we have nothing to dowith it.
It's all Israel. While of course, providing the
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weapons, providing the equipment, the intelligence, the
refuelling in order for Israel to, to be able to carry out the
aggression against Iran. And that's exactly what we're
saying right now. The brilliance of the Brookings
Institution and other organisations like them is that
they're just think tanks, Vanessa, They don't, they don't
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actually do anything. They just, they just write down
stuff and they and they suggest it, you know, have a look at
this and tell us what you think.So they can never claim
responsibility for anything. No, of course not.
No, no, no, no. Everyone works on a basis of
plausible deniability from the government down, right?
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We saw this in Syria when when the West was producing all of
these NGOs like the White Helmets that were effectively
carrying out their work. And of course, ultimately al
Qaeda itself, right, was it was a plausible deniability project
because even though anyone that doesn't now know that the West
was funding al Qaeda and ISIS tooverthrow the Syrian government,
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they haven't been awake for the last 14 years.
But you know, effectively that The thing is that this isn't so
different. What the Brookings Institute was
laying out a strategy to bring down Iran.
It's not really any different towhat they did in former
Yugoslavia, what they did in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria and so
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on. It's just on a much bigger
scale, right? And if you remember General
Wesley Clark when he was talkingabout the seven countries, his
his statement was to finish off with Iran.
So, you know, because Iran ultimately is perceived by the
West and by Israel and by the Israeli alliance, so the Arab
Gulf states as being the head ofthe resistance axis.
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And actually there, there's an interview with Jolani in Arabic
back in 2015. And you have to remember that
Jolani, who's now the unelected president of Syria, al Qaeda
junta in, in Syria and is now known as Ahmed al Shaddam
because he changed his name to avoid the 10 million bounty on
his head. That's how I see it anyway.
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Just as they changed the names of all the terrorist groups to
avoid, you know, persecution for, for, for the crimes they
committed against humanity in the region.
But in 2015, he basically said, look, the plan is we'll cut the
hands of the resistance. That's exactly what has been
happening since October the 7th.And then eventually we'll go
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after Iran. And, and he was talking about
the fact that he could basicallydeploy hundreds of thousands in
his opinion of tech theories both inside and outside Iran to
lead a destabilisation campaign against Iran.
So this also can't be written out because Jelani is
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channelling the strategy of his handlers and his handlers, of
course, as we know from recent events, or the MI 6, the CIA,
the MIT, the intelligence agencies in Turkey, but
definitely led by the MI 6 from from a sheer intelligence
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perspective. The resistance.
Who is the resistance and what are they resisting?
What are they resisting? The resistance has grown
effectively out of the oppression of the Zionist
regime. So from Palestine to Lebanon to
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Syria to Iraq, I mean, Iraq, even the government in Iraq
still doesn't recognise the state of Israel, which might be
surprising to some because of course it's been heavily
colonised by the United States that has established its
military bases on Iraqi territory from 2000 onwards.
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Yemen, of course, I mean Yemen is an entire state resistance
against the Zionist crimes in the region.
And Iran. And then of course you do have
countries outside of of that axis, if you like, which include
Venezuela, Cuba, I'm going blankon some of the other countries,
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but there are countries, even Serbia, Algeria, for example,
that are pretty steadfast Tunisia in supporting the
Palestinian cause. And Hezbollah was actually
created after Israel invaded Lebanon in the 80s.
Hezbollah was created in response to that.
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In Syria, of course, it's a morecomplex relationship because
Syria to a large degree took in a lot of the Palestinian
refugees. And again, unknown to many, they
were given a full residency and full citizen rights.
But they weren't given citizenship because Syria
believed that they should have the right to return.
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So they didn't want to jeopardise that potential for
them to be able to return to Palestine.
And Syria also harboured many ofthe early Hezbollah groups that
were being formed to oppose Israeli occupation of territory
in pretty much all of the region.
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Iraq, the same you, you have again, people describe them as
Iranian proxies like Kataib Hezbollah, for example, like the
PMF, the Popular Mobilisation Forces or sometimes known as the
PMU also, but they've been pretty much integrated into the
Iraqi military. And even in 2017 I met with
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Commander Mohandas in a press delegation.
And as he pointed out, and, and the same goes for Hezbollah.
It's not only an Islamic resistance, there are
Christians, there are Muslims from other denominations within
the group itself. So it's, it's very misleading,
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first of all, to say it's Iranian proxy, it's an ally of
Iran, and to say that it's a sheer Islamic Movement.
It isn't. And, and in Yemen the same.
I, I would not even say that they're followers of the same
branch of Islam as Iran. They're very different.
And in Yemen you have the Shafi and the Zaidi, which are
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equivalent to the Sunni and the Shia fighting side by side to
prevent the genocide in Palestine.
But you didn't tell me what it is that that they are resisting.
They're resisting Zionism and and imperialism.
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I mean, colonialism and Zionism,yes.
I'm not sure what else they should resist.
I mean that that is the cancer in the region.
You know no country in the region is safe while Zionism at
both as a movement and as a regime in occupied Palestine
exists. It sounds like you're speaking
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in code is another way of sayingwhat you're saying.
The following They are resistingthe state of Israel.
Well, the existence of Israel. Yeah.
I mean, I would argue whether it's a state or not, it's an
occupying force which is settling on Palestinian lands.
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So Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
It has the the this is no the state of Israel, in my opinion,
does not have a right to exist. It was superimposed on
Palestinian territory by the British and effectively by the
UN in the end. It's a.
Partition Palestine, yes, post Balfour treaty 1917 right?
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I mean who gifts a country to a people to a people without a
country you know. And if we get into the Zionist
movement itself, I mean when it began in in the late 1880s, it
was described by the majority ofJews as being another anti
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Semitic cult. So, but the important point to
make here is that it's not only about Israel, it's about the
entire Zionist movement. And the Zionist movement which
effectively pushed through the occupation of Palestine by the
Zionist movement is also effectively capturing U.S.
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government, UK government. You only have to look at the
2030 road map. I keep banging this drum between
Israel and the UK to understand to what extent the Israel is
embedded now in every single sector of society in the UK and
in the US and they're managing those societies.
Unit 8200, which is the spy unitof the Israeli security
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services, which has just been bombed multiple times by Iran,
is responsible not only for operations in the region but
even further afield, right. I don't know if you remember the
story about the Pegasus spyware that was put onto the phones of
of journalists. That's Unit 8200.
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Many of, for example, in the UK,Oracle, which is storing data
from the Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of Health,
government sectors and so on, originated with Unit 8200 and in
Israel. So that's the extent to which
they are now part of the surveillance systems that are
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taking over our world today and capturing our world today and
capturing populations today. So in a sense, how I see it,
it's a global resistance which is being represented by the
resistance axis here. But people are not making that
connection. They're, they're only, they're,
they're reducing the argument down to it being the region
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against Israel or being against the existence of Israel.
And nobody is against the existence of Jews.
Pre 1917, Jews, Muslims, Christians coexisted perfectly
peacefully in all of the region,including Palestine.
In Syria there was a large Jewish population until they
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were basically encouraged to go and settle in Palestine.
And of course, then by extension, you have the Greater
Israel Project. Yeah.
I mean, the, the Greater Israel project is again, I, I would
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probably focus more on the cleanbreak doctrine, which was
written up effectively by members of the CIA and
intelligence institutions and agencies in the US commissioned
by Netanyahu back then. Of course, he's been pretty much
in, in a position of power for at least 30 years since in fact
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the whole nuclear development inIran gag began.
So that gives an indication alsoof his role in what's going on.
But the clean break doctrine effectively talks about having
to take out Iraq and install U.S. military bases to threaten
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Syria and the rest of the region, including Iran, and to
partition the rest of the regioninto smaller states that can be
controlled by Israel more easily.
And of course, we're seeing thatnow in Syria, which is in effect
being broken up into unrecognised partitions.
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But nevertheless, that's that's the direction in which it's
travelling right now. And to maintain a sort of
strategic chaos in surrounding countries, but also to ensure
that all of these countries do not have the military
capability. This is very important now or in
the future, far into the future,to threaten Israel's security in
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the region. And that of course, is one of
the reasons that Israel, while Iwas still in Damascus, was
bombing every single military installation in Syria, including
naval, Air Force, air defence, military bases, development
centres and so on. Because Syria was responsible
really for the manufacture and supply of weapons to the
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resistance in Lebanon and Palestine for many years.
Actually, I mean Iran also, but Syria was one of the main
support units for for the resistance there.
And so, yeah, Greater Israel, which is expanding rapidly.
Now with the fall of Syria, of course, Israel most immediately
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expanded into southern Syria. And the plan is to create what
they call the David's Corridor up the eastern border of Syria,
extending into Iraq and as far as the Euphrates, which of
course brings them also very close to the border with Iran in
the future. I've got the Brookings path to
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Persia dock in front of me, as Isaid earlier.
And Chapter 5 is titled Leave Itto BB, allowing or encouraging
an Israeli military strike. And it's about and it's about
the US supporting or even, as they say, permitting Israel to
conduct a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
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And this was written in 2009. Yep, exactly.
I mean, it's insane, right? And, and The thing is because we
were talking about this on UK column on Wednesday and as you
said, most people are unaware ofthis even in the region here.
And, and I think this is what these think tanks do.
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They they put out these strategypapers, as you said, plausible
deniability, etcetera, for the for the government.
Oh yeah. But, you know, we didn't write
all this and on the basis that most people are not going to
read it or investigate it or follow up on it.
You know, just as the John Hopkins stuff before COVID,
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there's multiple instances of this.
I mean, you know, you have to have a lot of patience to trawl
through even all the WikiLeaks documents, for example, which
also give a lot of insight into US upcoming U.S. policy in the
region, Right. Yeah.
And, and of course, what has what has Trump done?
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He's and, and, and leading up towhat's happening now, of course
you had Trump falling out with BB.
Yeah, right. You know, and everyone falls for
this. Theatre.
Yeah, it's pure theatre and it'sI, I always say this, you know,
people, we have to focus on the direction of travel, the main
road, not keep taking these sideroads that they create for us to
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be distracted by or diverted by.You know, and everyone was kind
of taking the hopium at that point and and kind of like, Oh
yeah, you know, Trump's going tofall out with Bibi and that's
it. And that's the end of Netanyahu.
Even if it's the end of Netanyahu, it's not the end of
the project. And and this is another thing,
you know, people instil all of this evil into one person.
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They do it reverse as well because Assad was carrying out
all the crimes against his people in his country, right?
So was Gaddafi, so was Saddam Hussein.
And, and, and that's how they, they criminalise and demonise a
target nation by Hitlerising theleader.
But of course, it it happens also the other way around that
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if, if the US wants deniable plausibility from what Israel is
doing, it points the finger at Netanyahu, but knowing full well
they're going to support him in what he's doing, right.
I mean, Trump was supplying laser guided missiles prior to
the attack on Iran essentially for this attack.
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So this whole, this whole negotiation drama, the whole
falling out with BB, this was all buying time in my opinion,
for the US to supply Israel withwhat it needed and also to move
their own hardware into position.
One of the reasons that they left Yemen, apart from the fact
it was going to bankrupt them. The overwhelming Christian
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support for the attack on Israel, on Iran and this the
overwhelming blind patriotic support for Israel when there
aren't even Israeli citizens or or aren't even Jews is is a very
strange occurrence. And it's 10s of millions of
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Christian Americans particularly, and I know that
many in in the UK also, in fact right across the West.
Yeah, of course. I mean Christian Zionists, which
is a complete oxymoron anyway, outnumber Jewish Zionists.
I can't remember the exact number, but it's it's a big
difference, right? It's a big gap between the two.
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And that was another thing with the Trump administration.
I mean, it's packed full of Christian Zionists.
And of course they believe. I call them they are the
Armageddonistas because they believe in the the necessity of
an Armageddon to bring about thesecond coming of Christ.
And that is where. All of yeah.
And that's where all the idea about Al Kurds and the closing
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down of the temple and so on andand the building of their own
temple over it, ETC. That all comes from that as
well. And if you look at Netanyahu's
language, of course, since the beginning and the war against
the Amalek, even the AI genocideprogrammes have names like
Lavender and Gospel. Do you know what I mean?
It's, it's like he's, he's, they're subliminally imprinting
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this idea into people's minds. But the reality is that real
Christians in the region, apart from in Lebanon, you do have the
Lebanese Forces or the Phalangeswho actually collaborated with
Israel back during the Sabra andShatila massacre, when they were
the ones that actually carried out the massacre of the
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Palestinians in Lebanon. So they are still kind of wedded
in, in a sense. They are Christian Zionists
here, but the majority of the Christians support the
resistance. Yes, but it's created also a
very strange sociopathic behaviour in that I cannot
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believe how many Christians I have encountered who who support
just bombing, just mass bombing,wipe out Gaza.
You know we must wipe them out because we need to protect
Israel. It is.
I mean I I have recommended it before.
There is a film called Israelism, which I think came
out last year, which demonstrates how hatred is
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programmed into particularly Israeli kids, but Zionist kids
worldwide from kindergarten upwards.
So through the education system they are literally brainwashed
into dehumanising Palestinians or believing all Palestinians
are terrorists, etcetera, etcetera.
But it's a complete dehumanisation programme which
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then entitles them to exterminate, you know, the, the
people whose land it originally was.
I mean, it's just, it's, it's extraordinary.
And it's very hard to, I mean, it's very interesting now to see
the, the refugees from Israel arriving.
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I saw a video today arriving in Cyprus and there's a welcome
committee basically chanting Palestinian chants at them as
they get off the boat. You know, what the Israeli
government or the Zionist movement effectively is doing to
Jews worldwide is stigmatising them entirely.
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And it's, you know, the, the entire argument of anti
Semitism. Well, whose fault is it?
You know, if you're going to carry out terrorist attacks from
1936 onwards against the British, against regional
entities, against what do you expect if you're going to
violate international law, if you're going to develop a, a
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secret nuclear weapons, if you have an option in your political
armoury that says if anyone threatens the existence of the
state of Israel, you can use nuclear weapons against them.
I mean, you know, it's endless. I mean, if we get into the rape
of Palestinians in prisons, the ritual abuse, the fact that
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Israel is a paedophile heaven and that is being reported by
Hebrew media, not by Western media or conspiracy theorists.
People literally are converting to Judaism to escape prosecution
in the US and they're moving to Israel because there's no
questions asked and the the paedophilia can continue, the
child abuse can continue. And there's been recent
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articles, reports coming out even in Israel, Hayam of ritual
Satanic abuse of children by themost extremist Jewish cult.
You know, So it, I'm, I'm not quite sure what to say because,
because this belief in their ownentitlement, in their own
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superiority is something that would, that should worry all of
us, whether you're Christian, Jewish, atheist.
I mean, it's insane. Why are the neighbouring Arab
countries just not doing anything?
What do you mean by neighbouring?
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Well, you know the argument thatthe yeah, they just don't care
about Gaza, for example. Well, I mean, look, I don't even
really consider the Arab Gulf states to be Arab.
I mean, you know, they, they were, most of them were formerly
colonies of Britain and or protectorates of Britain.
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The whole area was carved up again and and these smaller
states were manufactured that survive on oil revenue.
And so therefore, they are effectively another form of
proxy in the region of Western hegemony, in my opinion.
I mean, I think it's Mohammed bin Salman put out a statement
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last year saying that he doesn'treally care about Palestine, but
his people do. So he has to toe the line.
And of course he's he's withholding on the normalisation
process with Israel on the basisthat a state is created for
Palestine. But a state on what?
On, on what piece of rubble are you going to now create a state?
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Because while Gaza is being bondinto oblivion, the West Bank is
being further encroached upon and people are being ethnically
cleansed from there. But it's kind of dropping below
the radar a little bit because of the horrors that are
happening in in Gaza. None of these states are going
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to come to the rescue of Palestine.
None of them, as I said, Egypt, which which is what it's over
100 million population now. And historically it was pro
Palestine. I mean, under President Gamal
Abdul Nasser up until Sadat, it was a steadfast and its support
and solidarity with Palestine. But that was destroyed post
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1979. And if we come forward now,
Sisi's mafias are running the border control between Egypt and
Gaza and, and they're, you know.They're extorting vast amounts
of money from Palestinians that want to leave for hospital
treatment. I think even at the beginning of
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the war it was 5000 per head, 2000 for every child.
And by the way, they were only given a three month visa, not
not any kind of residency or permanency or safety in Egypt.
So if they're caught, they're refugees.
They'll be returned back to Gaza.
That's the humanity from Egypt. But is Israel really on the back
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foot? I mean, it's got the full
support of effectively NATO. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, what was that? Chancellor Metz said the other
day that Israel is fighting Germany's war.
I'm not. I really can't quite figure that
one out. I didn't know that Germany was
at war with Iran. But anyway, you learn something
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every day. And, you know, Germany's
supplying weapons to Israel right now for the war against
Iran, which is just extraordinary for me.
Yeah, of course it's backed by NATO.
But, and, and there is some indicator that the US is going
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to join the war, which of course, again is written into
the Brookings Institute policy document that once Israel has
gone in, then the US has, you know, it has a decent pretext to
be able to join the war on behalf of Israel.
And, and we have actually been seeing in the Washington Post
reports of Israel running out ofinterceptor missiles.
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It's only got 12 days left to beable to cope with the incoming
Iranian missiles. Its air defence systems are
burning out, which is true. There have been videos of, of
air defence systems basically exploding under the pressure of
keeping firing missiles while Iran is is bombarding them, you
know. But there is there are
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indicators, particularly from Seymour Hersh that I is a
journalist who on occasion or very often channels the CIA and
he's talking about the US getting involved this weekend.
There have also been high level meetings between Trump and and
video meetings, conferences between Israel and the US in the
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last 24 hours. And the, again, the indicator is
that they're going to try and bond the Fordo nuclear plant
with the B50 twos because of course, Israel doesn't have the
B50 twos that can drop the bunker Buster bombs.
So it needs the US to come in for that.
So the US is basically now, you know, again, promulgating the
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idea that Iran has nuclear weapons.
Now even the bunker Buster bombs, because I've been looking
into this this morning, are not capable of actually going deep
enough to hit the four door centre because it's something
like 80 metres underground. The bunker Buster bombs at best
will go to a depth of 60 metres.So we don't know.
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And of course the, I, the IAEA is now saying no, no, no, no,
Iran never had a nuclear programme, having actually
started the war effectively by saying that Iran was not
complying with IAEA inspections and so on, which, you know,
demonstrates the extent to whichthe IAEA is a, is another proxy
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of the US. But I think just to come back to
you, your point about Israel, I think if the US does enter, then
the region will enter. And by the region I'm talking
about Islamic resistance. Iraq will start attacking.
They've already started attacking US bases.
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There are factions, brigades even in Saudi Arabia, which that
of course they call Hijaz because they don't agree with
the Saudi Kingdom Qatif, which is a brigade in Saudi Arabia
itself. The Muslim Brotherhood has put
out a statement saying that theyfully support Iran.
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So you will see and I'm sure that the resistance factions
here in Lebanon and Palestine and and Iraq, even in Syria,
because people are not aware there were 100,000, an estimated
100,000 Syrian Army soldiers that left Syria when it fall and
have gathered in the neighbouring countries and have
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been trained and equipped and and are ready to go.
So there's also potential in that circumstance for there to
be action in Syria also against Geolani, in my opinion.
So how does this game of chess get played?
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We have to wait and see. I'm, I'm not a 5D chess player,
unlike Trump. You know, we have to.
If the US goes in, then we're going to.
Then we're going to be bracing here for some serious shit to be
let loose, basically. But I mean, His Royal Majesty
Donald the Christ Trump did sendout a message demanding that
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that that the whole of Iran surrenders.
Do you know how silly that is? I mean, it's just this is my
point, You know, I mean, he's heis Comedy Central, but in a not
in a very good way. I mean, look, the Supreme
Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, just, I, I mean, I don't know
how he didn't laugh during his statement, but he said, look,
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telling the Iranian nation to surrender is not a rational
statement. And that's the understatement of
the year. I mean, it's like it's kind of
beyond irrational, but this is what Trump does.
Well, we know Trump was being very serious because he typed it
all out in uppercase letters too, with lots of exclamation
marks. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, but I mean. It's almost like a Monty Python
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sketch. Now compare that to, I don't
know, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin.
How are they viewing this whole story?
You know, Russia, I mean, Russiahas a strategic partnership with
Iran that was signed finally this year.
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But interestingly, or maybe not interestingly, if you understand
Russia's relationship with Israel is that there's no mutual
defence clause in that agreement.
And Russia has been very clear that it will not come to the
defence of Iran in in the case of any war.
And of course, the war is reallyonly ever going to be against
Israel and the US. So that is completely
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understandable from my perspective.
However, yes, they're offering to mediate, they're offering to
negotiate. And of course, we've seen that,
we've seen phone calls going between Putin and Trump along
those lines that Putin will stepin to mediate, etcetera.
But you know, I don't know. I, I think to some degree, I
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mean, the Iranian ambassador in Moscow has actually criticised
Russia for, for not coming to their aid.
Could that be a smokescreen? Possibly, possibly.
It could be that Russia is back channelling weapons into Iran,
China the same. China will always keep clear of
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direct conflict. However, as we saw in the recent
skirmish between India and Pakistan, China is supplying
weapons to Pakistan which were very successful against NATO
weapons used by India. I mean horribly successful,
embarrassingly successful reallyfor for NATO weaponry and
manufacturer, right. So Pakistan has come very
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strongly out in support for Iran.
So is there potential, in my opinion, I'm speculating for
China to be supplying weapons toPakistan and for Pakistan to
then be helping Iran, right. So I, I think while we're not
going to see any direct support for Iran except through
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statements which have been relatively strong, I mean, Putin
sort of bashed the IAEA today oryesterday basically saying, you
know, it was ridiculous. I mean, most people are in a
state of disbelief. Like, what on earth are you
doing? Of course, if they'd read the
Brookings Institute paper, they would know exactly what's going
on, right? But I think, I think, I mean,
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China condemns what Israel is doing.
However, China is extremely pragmatic.
It does a huge amount of trade with Israel, does a huge amount
of trade globally. And it's not going to, to
directly get involved, as I've said, but I, both of them may
get involved through a third party, in my opinion anyway.
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And of course, what we have to remember if Iran falls, heaven
forbid, and I, I do think it's very unlikely Iran is, you know,
it's a vast country. I was looking at the figures
today. Palestine in total is 28, 1000
or 28,100 square kilometres. In Iran 1.648 million square
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kilometres. I mean it's vast, it's huge.
You know, the idea of the US invading this country is, is
just completely insane for me. But of course they will use
familiar tactics as they did in the 1st 8 hours, which were
frankly horrible to hear and watch with the internal
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operations by Mossad proxies by Mossad operatives themselves.
And the lack of air defence for about the first six hours was
horrific. I mean for us watching from here
it was horrible. But they recovered very quickly
actually. Sorry, I kind of lost track on
the question. What happens if Israel falls?
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If Israel falls, peace comes to the region.
But I, I don't, I think we're a long way off that happening
because Israel has the support of the US, the UK, the French,
the, you know, just the Germans,the Gulf states.
I think if there were any threatto Israel would probably come
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into line in a sense of collaborating with whatever,
whatever shape the region takes after that.
But yeah, it's going to be it's,it's not going to be a fast war.
This is going to be a very long drawn out war in my opinion.
It's not something that's going to be resolved overnight.
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I mean, will it ever end? Is it actually just a forever
war? Well, it's interesting in that
bookings document, I, I can't remember what they call it at
the end. Containment, right, deterrence.
And so first of all, deterrence and then containment that if
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everything fails, basically whatthey will try to do is to
contain Iran within its borders,which is kind of ironic because
I'm not aware of Iran building military bases outside it
borders that threaten any other country and deter Iran from a
nuclear programme. Which is also ironic because
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they haven't had any intention of having a nuclear programme
except for, you know, civilian infrastructure programmes using
nuclear energy and so on. So it's, it's interesting
they've written that in almost as if, well, if it does become
untenable, they have a get out clause where they can basically
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go back to in a sense, square 1 until another opportunity
arises. And what I was going to say, of
course, if Iran falls, not only is the the region itself under
threat, but Russia and China. And, and so that's where I don't
think Russia and China are, are going to entirely isolate Iran
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in this. I think they will find a way to
support, but it's going to be through third parties.
This is just my opinion on this.And in no stage have we heard
anything about African countriesand where they stand.
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Well, you're probably better placed to tell me that.
I mean, I know Burkina Faso Ibrahim Trolley is is.
Well, I mean, South Africa took Israel to to court.
Yeah, it did. It did.
But what happened? Well, obviously nothing, yeah.
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I mean, this is no, it, it was an astounding initiative by the
South African lawyers. But you know, it takes a very,
very, very strong government to stand up to Israel because
effectively you're standing up to the the entire Western
cartel, right? Venezuela has done it.
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Maduro has been putting out somevery, very strong statements.
And of course, they're in the crosshairs also have been for
for decades, Cuba the same. So, you know, I, Yeah, sorry.
No, sorry. Go on.
Go on. No.
No, that's it. I was going to say the very
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acutely aware Will and have pointed out that the countries
you mentioned, Venezuela, Cuba, etcetera, etcetera, they all
fall into the legacy communist bloc.
Do you think it has anything to do with with that also?
Communist or socialist? I mean, they're kind of on the
same side of the fence. Yeah, I think, no, I, you know,
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I prefer to look at it through the prism of what is happening
in the world Today is a war against what I call the little
people, right. I mean, you've discussed this
with multiple guests on, on yourshow, the rise of the
surveillance state, the technocracy, the, the tyranny of
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pharmaceutical companies of, of the ruling elite, basically
whatever you want to call them, the predator class, the
billionaire club. Which is another reason that I
never understood why people would support Trump as much as
they did, you know, blindly. I mean, after all, he's selling
the US out to Palantir, which iseffectively going to turn the US
into a kind of AI surveillance state overnight.
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So I tend to say it if if you want to, I'm not much of A
political labeller, right? I, I tend to see it as the war
to actually retain what is humanwithin all of us within
humanity. And that generally speaking
means the protection of and the defence of the working class,
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the the, the poorer sections of society and the educated
classes, largely the middle class, which of course has been
eroded in many countries deliberately because they were
the class that traditionally were informed enough to inform
others, in my opinion. Right.
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And so the resistance comes froma push back against this, what
is another branch of neocolonialism, another branch
of feudal system that is being imposed on the world today, the
plungering of resources and, andbringing it under privatised
control, which of course only feeds profit into the ruling
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elite. So for me, as, as I say so many
times, it's a global war. But the problem is that many
people haven't connected the dots and, and, and these
arguments of, well, it's all to do with communism, It's all to
do with socialism, It's all to do with capitalism, in my
opinion, are just another part of, of the divide and rule
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paradigm, which keeps us either against something because we're
against communism, or simply notunderstanding the cohesion
globally of what people are actually resisting, even if
they're actually not making thatconnection themselves.
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And, and that's where I think weas analysts and commentators
have to start bringing into people's minds this idea of it
being a global resistance against what is happening.
It's a transnational war againstus as human beings.
And we're being, look, we've watched genocide live streamed
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across our phones, our laptops for almost 2 years now.
That's a complete, you know, that that's what is that
destroying? I mean, certainly mentally I, I
feel absolutely destroyed by it because the, the, the sense of
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powerlessness and helplessness. But why do I live here?
Why when I left Syria did I not come back to the EU or the UK?
Even people in Syria were telling me like, get out of the
region, like everything's going to go up in flames after this,
right? I didn't want to leave.
Why? Because people here understand
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what what the fight is. They understand what they're
fighting and they understand what they're fighting for, which
is a better world. It really is a better world.
It's as simple as that. And it doesn't mean it has to be
an Islamic world. It doesn't mean it has to be any
kind of denomination world. It just has to be a deeper sense
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of our own humanity and unity asa world.
And and that's something, you know, what Iran is doing is what
no other country apart from Yemen has done so far.
None country. Sorry, I, I mean by country, I
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mean state. So I'm not talking about the non
state actor resistance faction, just in case people get confused
with that. I saw a data point recently
about how many wars Iran has created in the last few decades
and it's almost none. Like, it's like 1-2, I don't
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know, 3-4, something like that. And then next to it is the US,
and it looks like, it looks likevaccine stats.
Yeah. And I wonder sometimes if people
just become oblivious to the idea that the enemy often lies
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within. Yeah, definitely.
Within as in within your own country or within as in as an as
an individual? If if you, if you look at social
media or just the media in general, or if you just listen
to Trump, America is the saviour, the saviour of the
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world. And they are bringing democracy
and peace everywhere. And the evil people are those
brown people in the Middle East.And that's.
Uneducated or or the undevelopedbut yeah OK.
How old is the? Oppressors of women and all that
sort of thing, and. Did you did you see the Iranian
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anchor at the Iranian broadcasting?
If you're talking about the oppression of women, go watch
that clip when when Israel actually bombs the IRIB and she
keeps broadcasting and like 10 minutes after the bomb hit her
studio, she's back broadcasting.Don't tell me about disempowered
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women in Iran. They're some of the strongest,
scariest women I've ever dealt with.
I tell you they're they're awesome.
I mean, you know, it's the same here.
Anybody that knows Modoa Osman will tell you.
I mean, she's a fire breathing dragon, right?
And, and she's amazing. I love her, but she's one of the
most powerful women I know. And and that's what people just
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don't understand. Like, hang on a minute.
Western culture is talking aboutaborting babies full term.
It's talking about assisted dying.
It's talking about transgender movements that are destroying
women's movements and then destroying women's empowerment.
Like, come on, like let's take alook at our own society.
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Why are we always so fast to point the finger at other
societies and cultures that we don't understand?
That's the point. I've been to Iran.
I don't have to wear a veil. Even the language in Western
media, like you have to be veiled.
You don't have to be veiled. You just have to put a scarf on
your head. And if it falls off, no one says
anything. By the way, no one gives a shit
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if you're walking in the markets, you know.
Sorry. To be fair, if you look at if
you look at the state of westernsociety now and and how fat
people have become, I think theyshould all be be fully covered
up. You should do a cartoon about
this. That's a perfect.
That's a perfect topic for it, actually.
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Actually, that's not a bad idea.Vanessa, how can I follow you?
You can follow me most of all onSub Stack, of course, that UK
column. Every Wednesday I'll be on the
news and we're also doing a couple of new projects at UK
column trying to bring in this concept of global resistance
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and, and covering the region in more depth.
So Substack, UK column, Telegramand Twitter.
YouTube is always so precarious.I don't like really like telling
people to go there because I'm quite sure they're going to pull
it at some point. On that note, Vanessa BD, thank
you for joining me in the trenches.
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Thank you so much, done. That was fun as always.
Vanessa Beeley, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thanks for having me on Jim. It's good to be back on.
I always enjoy talking to you anyway.
Yes, I enjoy talking to you and every time I talk to you, you're
in a different country. Well, that's not that's not
exactly my fault, but yes, I am.Where are you now?
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Lebanon. OK.
Last time I, I think when I spoke to you, I think you were,
oh, you were in Lebanon last time I think, and then you were
in Syria before that. Yeah, yeah, I think I spoke to
you after the fall of Syria. Yes, I did, didn't I?
God, I don't know, Like the the months are disappearing at the
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moment. How is life treating you?
It's good as my friends here tell me, I'm the only white
refugee in Lebanon, so that's that's the kind of badge of
honour. Speaking of refugees, have you
heard have you heard about whiterefugees from South Africa being
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given refugee status by Trump inAmerica?
Vanessa. No, I haven't, but somehow
doesn't surprise me at all. Anything that Trump does is kind
of we were talking about this this morning.
You know, I mean, he he is comedy gold.
Unfortunately, most of his comedy has very tragic
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consequences, as they are havingnow, of course.
My microphone is off. Why do you say that?
Why do I say that? Well, because, you know, in my
opinion, Trump was, for example,brought in.
Let me just lay the ground for this discussion because I don't
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believe there's any difference between a Democrat and a
Republican president. I think there's a road map and I
think presidents are chosen for their individual role on that
road map in in that particular section of the road map.
And I was saying this back as far as 2016 when I said it was
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very clear that Hillary Clinton would not be allowed to win
because had she won, the entire resistance axis would have been
very cohesive and very united against her because she was a
known war criminal and and infanticidal maniac basically.
So there, there wouldn't have been any confusion.
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However, when Trump won, everybody sort of went into this
freefall of, oh, we can do a deal with Trump and that's his
role, right? And and he's also, I would
describe him as the economic battering ram.
I mean, if you look at everyone during these last elections was
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arguing with me blindly that, you know, but he didn't start
any wars. And I come back to the point,
you can't look at the actions ofone particular president.
You have to look at it in continuity.
And what did he do? He was basically going to put
the US embassy in occupied al quotes in Palestine.
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He was going to gift the occupied Golan Heights since
1967 back to to Israel. Basically instead of back to
Syria. He assassinated the commanders
Soleimani and Mohandas. Mohandas, the commander of the
PMU, the the Popular Mobilisation Forces in Iraq.
He introduced some of the most savage sanctions on Syria, the
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Caesar sanctions, which in my opinion were one of the main
factors that led to the fall of Syria from that.
That basically exacerbated the economic problems in Syria from
2018 onwards. And he initiated the Abraham
Accords, which of course was allabout normalisation with so
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called moderate Sunni states with Israel.
That of course had begun with the Camp David agreement back in
1979 between Egypt and Israel. And of course, Egypt I perceive
to be kind of the Ukraine of West Asia.
It's completely in debt to Europe, the Gulf states, the US,
the International Monetary Fund,the World Bank, et cetera.
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It's it's no longer really a sovereign country from a from a
governance perspective, in my opinion.
And it's collaborative with Israel both in the genocide of
the Palestinians and in profiting from that genocide.
And then if we look at, you know, Biden's term, which
everybody terms as the genocide term or Bomber Biden or Bomber
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Joe, whatever they want to call it.
But in reality, yes, you know, Biden was heavily involved, of
course, in pulling, pulling through the final solution
against Palestinians, the the final genocide of Palestinians
and the extermination of their presence from their own land in
Palestine. But actually, he was relatively
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reticent in in handing bombs over to Netanyahu compared to
Trump. And this was the argument that I
was having with everyone when when Trump was elected, you
know, everyone was telling me no, no, no, no, no.
You know, he's going to end all the wars.
He never started any wars, so he's going to end them all.
And of course, he was elected onthe promise of, of ending the
NATO war against Russia and Ukraine, right.
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And basically, after Trump had been elected, Syria fell, you
know, it, it fell in that in that period between his election
and his inauguration. And, and again, it was very
clear to me that something majorwas going to happen in that
period. After Israel came to a ceasefire
agreement, or rather, you know, another pseudo ceasefire
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agreement with Hezbollah, it became very clear to me at that
point Israel would pivot towardsSyria.
But I didn't realise how quickly, I mean, literally
before the ink had even dried onthe ceasefire agreement between
Hezbollah and Israel, the attackon Aleppo began the dawn of the
the dawn after the ceasefire agreement.
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And then if we look at, you know, if if we go back to we
were talking earlier about the 2009 strategic paper that was
published by the Brooking Institute.
I think that for me is the clearest example of how a road
map works and how each individual president has a role
on that road map. And Trump is at the the the
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final part of that road map, which is regime change in Iran,
potential US invasion, if not aninvasion, which I think they
would be insane to try and do. But that's still one of the
options in the paper. Certainly some kind of
blitzkrieg bombing campaign against the alleged nuclear
facilities of Iran, of course, again, under the pretext to
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prevent Iran having a nuclear bomb.
I mean, this gag has been running for 30 years, but we're
expected to believe it's really happening right now.
So for me, you know, yeah, Trump.
Trump is hilarious at times. I'm not going to deny that he
makes me laugh, but for all the wrong reasons.
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I mean, you know, it's almost like we're living in such a
dystopian universe where someonelike him is in control of what
is hurtling towards a potential nuclear war.
And I'm not talking about Iran. I'm talking about Israel.
There's a lot to unpack there. You were alluding to the UNI
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party, which of course seems to it gets lost, particularly on
the Trump supporters because they believe he's playing 5D
chess and we must trust the plan.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. But of course the whole thing is
about a larger trajectory that goes back a number of decades.
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How far back do you think it goes, Vanessa?
If. If we're talking.
I know that JFK wasn't particularly excited about
Israel. Well, he wasn't particularly
excited about their secret nuclear programme.
And that, in the opinion of many, is one of the reasons that
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basically he was assassinated. One of the reasons going up
against the CIA, of course, is another one.
But I mean, I see the two. It's pretty undivisible anyway,
or indivisible. It's been, it's been going on
really for decades. I mean, I would say, look,
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Israel was created as a barrier state in the Middle East.
It was created to prevent the unification of the Arab States
and the access to their own resources and, and basically
independence and true sovereignty for the states in
the region of West Asia. If you look at the placing of
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the Zionist entity, it's bang inthe middle of kind of Syria,
Lebanon, Egypt. So it acts as a barrier state.
And Robert F Kennedy Junior madeit very clear what Israel's role
is. Of course, it's a military proxy
in the region, but it also provides surveillance and
interference. Very strong word there and very
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true. You know, Israel played an
enormous role in in the final bringing down of Syria last
year, but it also provides A bulwark against any expansion
from any other nation that mightthreaten US supremacy globally.
And that includes the Belt and Rd initiative from China.
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It includes Iranian expansionism, include it
includes Russian expansionism. As we've seen, you know, Russia
has pretty much, I won't say it's been driven out of Syria.
I think it's negotiating like crazy actually with Israel to
try and remain, try and remain at its base on the eastern
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coastal area in Syria. But it's been put under
pressure, whereas that military footprint has been in Syria for
the last, I think it's around 60years now.
I've got the Witch Path to Persia document in front of me.
It's about 254 pages long. Funny thing is, most people
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don't know about it. No very quickly.
What is it? It's basically a strategy paper.
I mean, the Brookings Institute was started with Rockefeller
seed funding. It has strong connections and
the Ford Foundation, but you know, it has.
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Oh God. I mean, it has strong links to
the State Department, to the Pentagon, to the CIA, it's
working on Sustainable development goals.
It in other words, it's pushing,it's pushing through all of the
strategy that influences government policy just as in a
way Chatham House does in the UK.
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Both of them very powerful influencing organisations, but
Brookings Institute has offices in Doha, Qatar, Beijing and
China and America. I think there's one other, oh,
India, sorry, Delhi and and India.
So clearly it's it's very strategically placed also.
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But the which path to purchase astrategy document, which I think
was updated in 2016, lays out a series of methods by which to
bring about regime change in Iran or or even complete
destruction of Iran. And among those are the
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persuasion policy, which is related to the nuclear deal,
which actually was initiated by President Bush back in 2005 and
then of course, run with by Obama, abandoned by Trump.
But all of this is is part of what they're talking about in
the strategy documents. So that effectively what it's
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about is pushing Iran into a corner where it has to accept
the coercion of the US and whichof course, is always going to be
in favour of the security of Israel in the region.
Right. And so now we've seen the final
chapter, which is Trump restarting the negotiations, but
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of course, again, changing the conditions of the negotiations
mid negotiation, right? Which is what the US always
does. It's what Israel always does.
When we watch what they did withHamas, just as Hamas has
accepted a deal, they bring in another clause, which Hamas is
never going to accept. And then they point at Hamas and
say, yeah, but you're the unreasonable 1.
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And that's exactly what they've been doing with Iran.
And they're trying to make Iran look unreasonable because they
have a red line of saying, no, we, we do have the the green
light to enrich our uranium. We do have a green light in our
country to develop a missile programme.
We're not like, which country onthe planet is going to say,
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yeah, we'll just give up our missile programme.
We'll just throw away our air defences and let the US come on
in and steal our resources. I mean it's completely
unrealistic, but the other chapters focused on internal
destabilisation, which of coursewe saw back in 2022 with the so
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called women's rights protests. And I was actually in Iran
during those or, or shortly after the height of those
protests, travelling from city to city to actually take
opinions from, from people within those cities.
And then of course, the weaponization of terrorist
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groups like Mujahideen Al Khalq or MEK as people know them that
are now I think are still headquartered in Albania.
But of course, they're also situated in Azerbaijan on the
border with Iran and, and still are a serious threat to Iran's
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territorial integrity to a largedegree, or at least to the
population. And then of course, finally
there was this, this plan that if, if AUS invasion didn't work
and if US ingression didn't work, then they would weaponize
Israel against Iran. And, and the US would kind of
go, Oh no, we have nothing to dowith it.
It's all Israel. While of course, providing the
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weapons, providing the equipment, the intelligence, the
refuelling in order for Israel to, to be able to carry out the
aggression against Iran. And that's exactly what we're
saying right now. The brilliance of the Brookings
Institution and other organisations like them is that
they're just think tanks, Vanessa, They don't, they don't
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actually do anything. They just, they just write down
stuff and they and they suggest it, you know, have a look at
this and tell us what you think.So they can never claim
responsibility for anything. No, of course not.
No, no, no, no. Everyone works on a basis of
plausible deniability from the government down, right?
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We saw this in Syria when when the West was producing all of
these NGOs like the White Helmets that were effectively
carrying out their work. And of course, ultimately al
Qaeda itself, right, was it was a plausible deniability project
because even though anyone that doesn't now know that the West
was funding al Qaeda and ISIS tooverthrow the Syrian government,
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they haven't been awake for the last 14 years.
But you know, effectively that The thing is that this isn't so
different. What the Brookings Institute was
laying out a strategy to bring down Iran.
It's not really any different towhat they did in former
Yugoslavia, what they did in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria and so
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on. It's just on a much bigger
scale, right? And if you remember General
Wesley Clark when he was talkingabout the seven countries, his
his statement was to finish off with Iran.
So, you know, because Iran ultimately is perceived by the
West and by Israel and by the Israeli alliance, so the Arab
Gulf states as being the head ofthe resistance axis.
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And actually there, there's an interview with Jolani in Arabic
back in 2015. And you have to remember that
Jolani, who's now the unelected president of Syria, al Qaeda
junta in, in Syria and is now known as Ahmed al Shaddam
because he changed his name to avoid the 10 million bounty on
his head. That's how I see it anyway.
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Just as they changed the names of all the terrorist groups to
avoid, you know, persecution for, for, for the crimes they
committed against humanity in the region.
But in 2015, he basically said, look, the plan is we'll cut the
hands of the resistance. That's exactly what has been
happening since October the 7th.And then eventually we'll go
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after Iran. And, and he was talking about
the fact that he could basicallydeploy hundreds of thousands in
his opinion of tech theories both inside and outside Iran to
lead a destabilisation campaign against Iran.
So this also can't be written out because Jelani is
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channelling the strategy of his handlers and his handlers, of
course, as we know from recent events, or the MI 6, the CIA,
the MIT, the intelligence agencies in Turkey, but
definitely led by the MI 6 from from a sheer intelligence
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perspective. The resistance.
Who is the resistance and what are they resisting?
What are they resisting? The resistance has grown
effectively out of the oppression of the Zionist
regime. So from Palestine to Lebanon to
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Syria to Iraq, I mean, Iraq, even the government in Iraq
still doesn't recognise the state of Israel, which might be
surprising to some because of course it's been heavily
colonised by the United States that has established its
military bases on Iraqi territory from 2000 onwards.
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Yemen, of course, I mean Yemen is an entire state resistance
against the Zionist crimes in the region.
And Iran. And then of course you do have
countries outside of of that axis, if you like, which include
Venezuela, Cuba, I'm going blankon some of the other countries,
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but there are countries, even Serbia, Algeria, for example,
that are pretty steadfast Tunisia in supporting the
Palestinian cause. And Hezbollah was actually
created after Israel invaded Lebanon in the 80s.
Hezbollah was created in response to that.
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In Syria, of course, it's a morecomplex relationship because
Syria to a large degree took in a lot of the Palestinian
refugees. And again, unknown to many, they
were given a full residency and full citizen rights.
But they weren't given citizenship because Syria
believed that they should have the right to return.
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So they didn't want to jeopardise that potential for
them to be able to return to Palestine.
And Syria also harboured many ofthe early Hezbollah groups that
were being formed to oppose Israeli occupation of territory
in pretty much all of the region.
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Iraq, the same you, you have again, people describe them as
Iranian proxies like Kataib Hezbollah, for example, like the
PMF, the Popular Mobilisation Forces or sometimes known as the
PMU also, but they've been pretty much integrated into the
Iraqi military. And even in 2017 I met with
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Commander Mohandas in a press delegation.
And as he pointed out, and, and the same goes for Hezbollah.
It's not only an Islamic resistance, there are
Christians, there are Muslims from other denominations within
the group itself. So it's, it's very misleading,
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first of all, to say it's Iranian proxy, it's an ally of
Iran, and to say that it's a sheer Islamic Movement.
It isn't. And, and in Yemen the same.
I, I would not even say that they're followers of the same
branch of Islam as Iran. They're very different.
And in Yemen you have the Shafi and the Zaidi, which are
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equivalent to the Sunni and the Shia fighting side by side to
prevent the genocide in Palestine.
But you didn't tell me what it is that that they are resisting.
They're resisting Zionism and and imperialism.
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I mean, colonialism and Zionism,yes.
I'm not sure what else they should resist.
I mean that that is the cancer in the region.
You know no country in the region is safe while Zionism at
both as a movement and as a regime in occupied Palestine
exists. It sounds like you're speaking
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in code is another way of sayingwhat you're saying.
The following They are resistingthe state of Israel.
Well, the existence of Israel. Yeah.
I mean, I would argue whether it's a state or not, it's an
occupying force which is settling on Palestinian lands.
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So Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
It has the the this is no the state of Israel, in my opinion,
does not have a right to exist. It was superimposed on
Palestinian territory by the British and effectively by the
UN in the end. It's a.
Partition Palestine, yes, post Balfour treaty 1917 right?
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I mean who gifts a country to a people to a people without a
country you know. And if we get into the Zionist
movement itself, I mean when it began in in the late 1880s, it
was described by the majority ofJews as being another anti
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Semitic cult. So, but the important point to
make here is that it's not only about Israel, it's about the
entire Zionist movement. And the Zionist movement which
effectively pushed through the occupation of Palestine by the
Zionist movement is also effectively capturing U.S.
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government, UK government. You only have to look at the
2030 road map. I keep banging this drum between
Israel and the UK to understand to what extent the Israel is
embedded now in every single sector of society in the UK and
in the US and they're managing those societies.
Unit 8200, which is the spy unitof the Israeli security
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services, which has just been bombed multiple times by Iran,
is responsible not only for operations in the region but
even further afield, right. I don't know if you remember the
story about the Pegasus spyware that was put onto the phones of
of journalists. That's Unit 8200.
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Many of, for example, in the UK,Oracle, which is storing data
from the Ministry of Defence, the Ministry of Health,
government sectors and so on, originated with Unit 8200 and in
Israel. So that's the extent to which
they are now part of the surveillance systems that are
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taking over our world today and capturing our world today and
capturing populations today. So in a sense, how I see it,
it's a global resistance which is being represented by the
resistance axis here. But people are not making that
connection. They're, they're only, they're,
they're reducing the argument down to it being the region
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against Israel or being against the existence of Israel.
And nobody is against the existence of Jews.
Pre 1917, Jews, Muslims, Christians coexisted perfectly
peacefully in all of the region,including Palestine.
In Syria there was a large Jewish population until they
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were basically encouraged to go and settle in Palestine.
And of course, then by extension, you have the Greater
Israel Project. Yeah.
I mean, the, the Greater Israel project is again, I, I would
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probably focus more on the cleanbreak doctrine, which was
written up effectively by members of the CIA and
intelligence institutions and agencies in the US commissioned
by Netanyahu back then. Of course, he's been pretty much
in, in a position of power for at least 30 years since in fact
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the whole nuclear development inIran gag began.
So that gives an indication alsoof his role in what's going on.
But the clean break doctrine effectively talks about having
to take out Iraq and install U.S. military bases to threaten
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Syria and the rest of the region, including Iran, and to
partition the rest of the regioninto smaller states that can be
controlled by Israel more easily.
And of course, we're seeing thatnow in Syria, which is in effect
being broken up into unrecognised partitions.
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But nevertheless, that's that's the direction in which it's
travelling right now. And to maintain a sort of
strategic chaos in surrounding countries, but also to ensure
that all of these countries do not have the military
capability. This is very important now or in
the future, far into the future,to threaten Israel's security in
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the region. And that of course, is one of
the reasons that Israel, while Iwas still in Damascus, was
bombing every single military installation in Syria, including
naval, Air Force, air defence, military bases, development
centres and so on. Because Syria was responsible
really for the manufacture and supply of weapons to the
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resistance in Lebanon and Palestine for many years.
Actually, I mean Iran also, but Syria was one of the main
support units for for the resistance there.
And so, yeah, Greater Israel, which is expanding rapidly.
Now with the fall of Syria, of course, Israel most immediately
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expanded into southern Syria. And the plan is to create what
they call the David's Corridor up the eastern border of Syria,
extending into Iraq and as far as the Euphrates, which of
course brings them also very close to the border with Iran in
the future. I've got the Brookings path to
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Persia dock in front of me, as Isaid earlier.
And Chapter 5 is titled Leave Itto BB, allowing or encouraging
an Israeli military strike. And it's about and it's about
the US supporting or even, as they say, permitting Israel to
conduct a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
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And this was written in 2009. Yep, exactly.
I mean, it's insane, right? And, and The thing is because we
were talking about this on UK column on Wednesday and as you
said, most people are unaware ofthis even in the region here.
And, and I think this is what these think tanks do.
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They they put out these strategypapers, as you said, plausible
deniability, etcetera, for the for the government.
Oh yeah. But, you know, we didn't write
all this and on the basis that most people are not going to
read it or investigate it or follow up on it.
You know, just as the John Hopkins stuff before COVID,
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there's multiple instances of this.
I mean, you know, you have to have a lot of patience to trawl
through even all the WikiLeaks documents, for example, which
also give a lot of insight into US upcoming U.S. policy in the
region, Right. Yeah.
And, and of course, what has what has Trump done?
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He's and, and, and leading up towhat's happening now, of course
you had Trump falling out with BB.
Yeah, right. You know, and everyone falls for
this. Theatre.
Yeah, it's pure theatre and it'sI, I always say this, you know,
people, we have to focus on the direction of travel, the main
road, not keep taking these sideroads that they create for us to
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be distracted by or diverted by.You know, and everyone was kind
of taking the hopium at that point and and kind of like, Oh
yeah, you know, Trump's going tofall out with Bibi and that's
it. And that's the end of Netanyahu.
Even if it's the end of Netanyahu, it's not the end of
the project. And and this is another thing,
you know, people instil all of this evil into one person.
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They do it reverse as well because Assad was carrying out
all the crimes against his people in his country, right?
So was Gaddafi, so was Saddam Hussein.
And, and, and that's how they, they criminalise and demonise a
target nation by Hitlerising theleader.
But of course, it it happens also the other way around that
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if, if the US wants deniable plausibility from what Israel is
doing, it points the finger at Netanyahu, but knowing full well
they're going to support him in what he's doing, right.
I mean, Trump was supplying laser guided missiles prior to
the attack on Iran essentially for this attack.
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So this whole, this whole negotiation drama, the whole
falling out with BB, this was all buying time in my opinion,
for the US to supply Israel withwhat it needed and also to move
their own hardware into position.
One of the reasons that they left Yemen, apart from the fact
it was going to bankrupt them. The overwhelming Christian
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support for the attack on Israel, on Iran and this the
overwhelming blind patriotic support for Israel when there
aren't even Israeli citizens or or aren't even Jews is is a very
strange occurrence. And it's 10s of millions of
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Christian Americans particularly, and I know that
many in in the UK also, in fact right across the West.
Yeah, of course. I mean Christian Zionists, which
is a complete oxymoron anyway, outnumber Jewish Zionists.
I can't remember the exact number, but it's it's a big
difference, right? It's a big gap between the two.
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And that was another thing with the Trump administration.
I mean, it's packed full of Christian Zionists.
And of course they believe. I call them they are the
Armageddonistas because they believe in the the necessity of
an Armageddon to bring about thesecond coming of Christ.
And that is where. All of yeah.
And that's where all the idea about Al Kurds and the closing
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down of the temple and so on andand the building of their own
temple over it, ETC. That all comes from that as
well. And if you look at Netanyahu's
language, of course, since the beginning and the war against
the Amalek, even the AI genocideprogrammes have names like
Lavender and Gospel. Do you know what I mean?
It's, it's like he's, he's, they're subliminally imprinting
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this idea into people's minds. But the reality is that real
Christians in the region, apart from in Lebanon, you do have the
Lebanese Forces or the Phalangeswho actually collaborated with
Israel back during the Sabra andShatila massacre, when they were
the ones that actually carried out the massacre of the
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Palestinians in Lebanon. So they are still kind of wedded
in, in a sense. They are Christian Zionists
here, but the majority of the Christians support the
resistance. Yes, but it's created also a
very strange sociopathic behaviour in that I cannot
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believe how many Christians I have encountered who who support
just bombing, just mass bombing,wipe out Gaza.
You know we must wipe them out because we need to protect
Israel. It is.
I mean I I have recommended it before.
There is a film called Israelism, which I think came
out last year, which demonstrates how hatred is
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programmed into particularly Israeli kids, but Zionist kids
worldwide from kindergarten upwards.
So through the education system they are literally brainwashed
into dehumanising Palestinians or believing all Palestinians
are terrorists, etcetera, etcetera.
But it's a complete dehumanisation programme which
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then entitles them to exterminate, you know, the, the
people whose land it originally was.
I mean, it's just, it's, it's extraordinary.
And it's very hard to, I mean, it's very interesting now to see
the, the refugees from Israel arriving.
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I saw a video today arriving in Cyprus and there's a welcome
committee basically chanting Palestinian chants at them as
they get off the boat. You know, what the Israeli
government or the Zionist movement effectively is doing to
Jews worldwide is stigmatising them entirely.
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And it's, you know, the, the entire argument of anti
Semitism. Well, whose fault is it?
You know, if you're going to carry out terrorist attacks from
1936 onwards against the British, against regional
entities, against what do you expect if you're going to
violate international law, if you're going to develop a, a
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secret nuclear weapons, if you have an option in your political
armoury that says if anyone threatens the existence of the
state of Israel, you can use nuclear weapons against them.
I mean, you know, it's endless. I mean, if we get into the rape
of Palestinians in prisons, the ritual abuse, the fact that
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Israel is a paedophile heaven and that is being reported by
Hebrew media, not by Western media or conspiracy theorists.
People literally are converting to Judaism to escape prosecution
in the US and they're moving to Israel because there's no
questions asked and the the paedophilia can continue, the
child abuse can continue. And there's been recent
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articles, reports coming out even in Israel, Hayam of ritual
Satanic abuse of children by themost extremist Jewish cult.
You know, So it, I'm, I'm not quite sure what to say because,
because this belief in their ownentitlement, in their own
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superiority is something that would, that should worry all of
us, whether you're Christian, Jewish, atheist.
I mean, it's insane. Why are the neighbouring Arab
countries just not doing anything?
What do you mean by neighbouring?
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Well, you know the argument thatthe yeah, they just don't care
about Gaza, for example. Well, I mean, look, I don't even
really consider the Arab Gulf states to be Arab.
I mean, you know, they, they were, most of them were formerly
colonies of Britain and or protectorates of Britain.
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The whole area was carved up again and and these smaller
states were manufactured that survive on oil revenue.
And so therefore, they are effectively another form of
proxy in the region of Western hegemony, in my opinion.
I mean, I think it's Mohammed bin Salman put out a statement
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last year saying that he doesn'treally care about Palestine, but
his people do. So he has to toe the line.
And of course he's he's withholding on the normalisation
process with Israel on the basisthat a state is created for
Palestine. But a state on what?
On, on what piece of rubble are you going to now create a state?
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Because while Gaza is being bondinto oblivion, the West Bank is
being further encroached upon and people are being ethnically
cleansed from there. But it's kind of dropping below
the radar a little bit because of the horrors that are
happening in in Gaza. None of these states are going
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to come to the rescue of Palestine.
None of them, as I said, Egypt, which which is what it's over
100 million population now. And historically it was pro
Palestine. I mean, under President Gamal
Abdul Nasser up until Sadat, it was a steadfast and its support
and solidarity with Palestine. But that was destroyed post
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1979. And if we come forward now,
Sisi's mafias are running the border control between Egypt and
Gaza and, and they're, you know.They're extorting vast amounts
of money from Palestinians that want to leave for hospital
treatment. I think even at the beginning of
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the war it was 5000 per head, 2000 for every child.
And by the way, they were only given a three month visa, not
not any kind of residency or permanency or safety in Egypt.
So if they're caught, they're refugees.
They'll be returned back to Gaza.
That's the humanity from Egypt. But is Israel really on the back
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foot? I mean, it's got the full
support of effectively NATO. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, what was that? Chancellor Metz said the other
day that Israel is fighting Germany's war.
I'm not. I really can't quite figure that
one out. I didn't know that Germany was
at war with Iran. But anyway, you learn something
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every day. And, you know, Germany's
supplying weapons to Israel right now for the war against
Iran, which is just extraordinary for me.
Yeah, of course it's backed by NATO.
But, and, and there is some indicator that the US is going
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to join the war, which of course, again is written into
the Brookings Institute policy document that once Israel has
gone in, then the US has, you know, it has a decent pretext to
be able to join the war on behalf of Israel.
And, and we have actually been seeing in the Washington Post
reports of Israel running out ofinterceptor missiles.
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It's only got 12 days left to beable to cope with the incoming
Iranian missiles. Its air defence systems are
burning out, which is true. There have been videos of, of
air defence systems basically exploding under the pressure of
keeping firing missiles while Iran is is bombarding them, you
know. But there is there are
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indicators, particularly from Seymour Hersh that I is a
journalist who on occasion or very often channels the CIA and
he's talking about the US getting involved this weekend.
There have also been high level meetings between Trump and and
video meetings, conferences between Israel and the US in the
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last 24 hours. And the, again, the indicator is
that they're going to try and bond the Fordo nuclear plant
with the B50 twos because of course, Israel doesn't have the
B50 twos that can drop the bunker Buster bombs.
So it needs the US to come in for that.
So the US is basically now, you know, again, promulgating the
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idea that Iran has nuclear weapons.
Now even the bunker Buster bombs, because I've been looking
into this this morning, are not capable of actually going deep
enough to hit the four door centre because it's something
like 80 metres underground. The bunker Buster bombs at best
will go to a depth of 60 metres.So we don't know.
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And of course the, I, the IAEA is now saying no, no, no, no,
Iran never had a nuclear programme, having actually
started the war effectively by saying that Iran was not
complying with IAEA inspections and so on, which, you know,
demonstrates the extent to whichthe IAEA is a, is another proxy
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of the US. But I think just to come back to
you, your point about Israel, I think if the US does enter, then
the region will enter. And by the region I'm talking
about Islamic resistance. Iraq will start attacking.
They've already started attacking US bases.
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There are factions, brigades even in Saudi Arabia, which that
of course they call Hijaz because they don't agree with
the Saudi Kingdom Qatif, which is a brigade in Saudi Arabia
itself. The Muslim Brotherhood has put
out a statement saying that theyfully support Iran.
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So you will see and I'm sure that the resistance factions
here in Lebanon and Palestine and and Iraq, even in Syria,
because people are not aware there were 100,000, an estimated
100,000 Syrian Army soldiers that left Syria when it fall and
have gathered in the neighbouring countries and have
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been trained and equipped and and are ready to go.
So there's also potential in that circumstance for there to
be action in Syria also against Geolani, in my opinion.
So how does this game of chess get played?
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We have to wait and see. I'm, I'm not a 5D chess player,
unlike Trump. You know, we have to.
If the US goes in, then we're going to.
Then we're going to be bracing here for some serious shit to be
let loose, basically. But I mean, His Royal Majesty
Donald the Christ Trump did sendout a message demanding that
(45:31):
that that the whole of Iran surrenders.
Do you know how silly that is? I mean, it's just this is my
point, You know, I mean, he's heis Comedy Central, but in a not
in a very good way. I mean, look, the Supreme
Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, just, I, I mean, I don't know
how he didn't laugh during his statement, but he said, look,
(45:52):
telling the Iranian nation to surrender is not a rational
statement. And that's the understatement of
the year. I mean, it's like it's kind of
beyond irrational, but this is what Trump does.
Well, we know Trump was being very serious because he typed it
all out in uppercase letters too, with lots of exclamation
marks. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, but I mean. It's almost like a Monty Python
(46:15):
sketch. Now compare that to, I don't
know, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin.
How are they viewing this whole story?
You know, Russia, I mean, Russiahas a strategic partnership with
Iran that was signed finally this year.
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But interestingly, or maybe not interestingly, if you understand
Russia's relationship with Israel is that there's no mutual
defence clause in that agreement.
And Russia has been very clear that it will not come to the
defence of Iran in in the case of any war.
And of course, the war is reallyonly ever going to be against
Israel and the US. So that is completely
(47:00):
understandable from my perspective.
However, yes, they're offering to mediate, they're offering to
negotiate. And of course, we've seen that,
we've seen phone calls going between Putin and Trump along
those lines that Putin will stepin to mediate, etcetera.
But you know, I don't know. I, I think to some degree, I
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mean, the Iranian ambassador in Moscow has actually criticised
Russia for, for not coming to their aid.
Could that be a smokescreen? Possibly, possibly.
It could be that Russia is back channelling weapons into Iran,
China the same. China will always keep clear of
(47:43):
direct conflict. However, as we saw in the recent
skirmish between India and Pakistan, China is supplying
weapons to Pakistan which were very successful against NATO
weapons used by India. I mean horribly successful,
embarrassingly successful reallyfor for NATO weaponry and
manufacturer, right. So Pakistan has come very
(48:08):
strongly out in support for Iran.
So is there potential, in my opinion, I'm speculating for
China to be supplying weapons toPakistan and for Pakistan to
then be helping Iran, right. So I, I think while we're not
going to see any direct support for Iran except through
(48:29):
statements which have been relatively strong, I mean, Putin
sort of bashed the IAEA today oryesterday basically saying, you
know, it was ridiculous. I mean, most people are in a
state of disbelief. Like, what on earth are you
doing? Of course, if they'd read the
Brookings Institute paper, they would know exactly what's going
on, right? But I think, I think, I mean,
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China condemns what Israel is doing.
However, China is extremely pragmatic.
It does a huge amount of trade with Israel, does a huge amount
of trade globally. And it's not going to, to
directly get involved, as I've said, but I, both of them may
get involved through a third party, in my opinion anyway.
(49:14):
And of course, what we have to remember if Iran falls, heaven
forbid, and I, I do think it's very unlikely Iran is, you know,
it's a vast country. I was looking at the figures
today. Palestine in total is 28, 1000
or 28,100 square kilometres. In Iran 1.648 million square
(49:39):
kilometres. I mean it's vast, it's huge.
You know, the idea of the US invading this country is, is
just completely insane for me. But of course they will use
familiar tactics as they did in the 1st 8 hours, which were
frankly horrible to hear and watch with the internal
(50:03):
operations by Mossad proxies by Mossad operatives themselves.
And the lack of air defence for about the first six hours was
horrific. I mean for us watching from here
it was horrible. But they recovered very quickly
actually. Sorry, I kind of lost track on
the question. What happens if Israel falls?
(50:29):
If Israel falls, peace comes to the region.
But I, I don't, I think we're a long way off that happening
because Israel has the support of the US, the UK, the French,
the, you know, just the Germans,the Gulf states.
I think if there were any threatto Israel would probably come
(50:50):
into line in a sense of collaborating with whatever,
whatever shape the region takes after that.
But yeah, it's going to be it's,it's not going to be a fast war.
This is going to be a very long drawn out war in my opinion.
It's not something that's going to be resolved overnight.
(51:12):
I mean, will it ever end? Is it actually just a forever
war? Well, it's interesting in that
bookings document, I, I can't remember what they call it at
the end. Containment, right, deterrence.
And so first of all, deterrence and then containment that if
(51:32):
everything fails, basically whatthey will try to do is to
contain Iran within its borders,which is kind of ironic because
I'm not aware of Iran building military bases outside it
borders that threaten any other country and deter Iran from a
nuclear programme. Which is also ironic because
(51:54):
they haven't had any intention of having a nuclear programme
except for, you know, civilian infrastructure programmes using
nuclear energy and so on. So it's, it's interesting
they've written that in almost as if, well, if it does become
untenable, they have a get out clause where they can basically
(52:17):
go back to in a sense, square 1 until another opportunity
arises. And what I was going to say, of
course, if Iran falls, not only is the the region itself under
threat, but Russia and China. And, and so that's where I don't
think Russia and China are, are going to entirely isolate Iran
(52:37):
in this. I think they will find a way to
support, but it's going to be through third parties.
This is just my opinion on this.And in no stage have we heard
anything about African countriesand where they stand.
(52:57):
Well, you're probably better placed to tell me that.
I mean, I know Burkina Faso Ibrahim Trolley is is.
Well, I mean, South Africa took Israel to to court.
Yeah, it did. It did.
But what happened? Well, obviously nothing, yeah.
(53:19):
I mean, this is no, it, it was an astounding initiative by the
South African lawyers. But you know, it takes a very,
very, very strong government to stand up to Israel because
effectively you're standing up to the the entire Western
cartel, right? Venezuela has done it.
(53:42):
Maduro has been putting out somevery, very strong statements.
And of course, they're in the crosshairs also have been for
for decades, Cuba the same. So, you know, I, Yeah, sorry.
No, sorry. Go on.
Go on. No.
No, that's it. I was going to say the very
(54:06):
acutely aware Will and have pointed out that the countries
you mentioned, Venezuela, Cuba, etcetera, etcetera, they all
fall into the legacy communist bloc.
Do you think it has anything to do with with that also?
Communist or socialist? I mean, they're kind of on the
same side of the fence. Yeah, I think, no, I, you know,
(54:29):
I prefer to look at it through the prism of what is happening
in the world Today is a war against what I call the little
people, right. I mean, you've discussed this
with multiple guests on, on yourshow, the rise of the
surveillance state, the technocracy, the, the tyranny of
(54:50):
pharmaceutical companies of, of the ruling elite, basically
whatever you want to call them, the predator class, the
billionaire club. Which is another reason that I
never understood why people would support Trump as much as
they did, you know, blindly. I mean, after all, he's selling
the US out to Palantir, which iseffectively going to turn the US
into a kind of AI surveillance state overnight.
(55:15):
So I tend to say it if if you want to, I'm not much of A
political labeller, right? I, I tend to see it as the war
to actually retain what is humanwithin all of us within
humanity. And that generally speaking
means the protection of and the defence of the working class,
(55:40):
the the, the poorer sections of society and the educated
classes, largely the middle class, which of course has been
eroded in many countries deliberately because they were
the class that traditionally were informed enough to inform
others, in my opinion. Right.
(56:01):
And so the resistance comes froma push back against this, what
is another branch of neocolonialism, another branch
of feudal system that is being imposed on the world today, the
plungering of resources and, andbringing it under privatised
control, which of course only feeds profit into the ruling
(56:25):
elite. So for me, as, as I say so many
times, it's a global war. But the problem is that many
people haven't connected the dots and, and, and these
arguments of, well, it's all to do with communism, It's all to
do with socialism, It's all to do with capitalism, in my
opinion, are just another part of, of the divide and rule
(56:47):
paradigm, which keeps us either against something because we're
against communism, or simply notunderstanding the cohesion
globally of what people are actually resisting, even if
they're actually not making thatconnection themselves.
(57:08):
And, and that's where I think weas analysts and commentators
have to start bringing into people's minds this idea of it
being a global resistance against what is happening.
It's a transnational war againstus as human beings.
And we're being, look, we've watched genocide live streamed
(57:32):
across our phones, our laptops for almost 2 years now.
That's a complete, you know, that that's what is that
destroying? I mean, certainly mentally I, I
feel absolutely destroyed by it because the, the, the sense of
(57:53):
powerlessness and helplessness. But why do I live here?
Why when I left Syria did I not come back to the EU or the UK?
Even people in Syria were telling me like, get out of the
region, like everything's going to go up in flames after this,
right? I didn't want to leave.
Why? Because people here understand
(58:14):
what what the fight is. They understand what they're
fighting and they understand what they're fighting for, which
is a better world. It really is a better world.
It's as simple as that. And it doesn't mean it has to be
an Islamic world. It doesn't mean it has to be any
kind of denomination world. It just has to be a deeper sense
(58:37):
of our own humanity and unity asa world.
And and that's something, you know, what Iran is doing is what
no other country apart from Yemen has done so far.
None country. Sorry, I, I mean by country, I
(59:00):
mean state. So I'm not talking about the non
state actor resistance faction, just in case people get confused
with that. I saw a data point recently
about how many wars Iran has created in the last few decades
and it's almost none. Like, it's like 1-2, I don't
(59:22):
know, 3-4, something like that. And then next to it is the US,
and it looks like, it looks likevaccine stats.
Yeah. And I wonder sometimes if people
just become oblivious to the idea that the enemy often lies
(59:43):
within. Yeah, definitely.
Within as in within your own country or within as in as an as
an individual? If if you, if you look at social
media or just the media in general, or if you just listen
to Trump, America is the saviour, the saviour of the
(01:00:04):
world. And they are bringing democracy
and peace everywhere. And the evil people are those
brown people in the Middle East.And that's.
Uneducated or or the undevelopedbut yeah OK.
How old is the? Oppressors of women and all that
sort of thing, and. Did you did you see the Iranian
(01:00:27):
anchor at the Iranian broadcasting?
If you're talking about the oppression of women, go watch
that clip when when Israel actually bombs the IRIB and she
keeps broadcasting and like 10 minutes after the bomb hit her
studio, she's back broadcasting.Don't tell me about disempowered
(01:00:47):
women in Iran. They're some of the strongest,
scariest women I've ever dealt with.
I tell you they're they're awesome.
I mean, you know, it's the same here.
Anybody that knows Modoa Osman will tell you.
I mean, she's a fire breathing dragon, right?
And, and she's amazing. I love her, but she's one of the
most powerful women I know. And and that's what people just
(01:01:10):
don't understand. Like, hang on a minute.
Western culture is talking aboutaborting babies full term.
It's talking about assisted dying.
It's talking about transgender movements that are destroying
women's movements and then destroying women's empowerment.
Like, come on, like let's take alook at our own society.
(01:01:30):
Why are we always so fast to point the finger at other
societies and cultures that we don't understand?
That's the point. I've been to Iran.
I don't have to wear a veil. Even the language in Western
media, like you have to be veiled.
You don't have to be veiled. You just have to put a scarf on
your head. And if it falls off, no one says
anything. By the way, no one gives a shit
(01:01:53):
if you're walking in the markets, you know.
Sorry. To be fair, if you look at if
you look at the state of westernsociety now and and how fat
people have become, I think theyshould all be be fully covered
up. You should do a cartoon about
this. That's a perfect.
That's a perfect topic for it, actually.
(01:02:14):
Actually, that's not a bad idea.Vanessa, how can I follow you?
You can follow me most of all onSub Stack, of course, that UK
column. Every Wednesday I'll be on the
news and we're also doing a couple of new projects at UK
column trying to bring in this concept of global resistance
(01:02:36):
and, and covering the region in more depth.
So Substack, UK column, Telegramand Twitter.
YouTube is always so precarious.I don't like really like telling
people to go there because I'm quite sure they're going to pull
it at some point. On that note, Vanessa BD, thank
you for joining me in the trenches.
(01:02:57):
Thank you so much, done. That was fun as always.
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