July 16, 2025 • 59 mins
In this conversation, Jerm speaks with Todd Hayen, a Canadian psychotherapist and author known for his critical perspectives on dominant societal narratives. Together, they explore a wide range of topics, from the aftermath of COVID-19 and the nature of political theatre to the powerful role storytelling plays in shaping human experience. They unpack the complexities of belief systems, examine the tension between objective reality and subjective perception, and consider the phenomenon of mass psychosis. The discussion also touches on the influence of organised religion, the challenges surrounding free will, the illusion of personal freedom, and the slippery nature of truth and evidence in a world awash with conflicting stories.
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None. My name is Germ.
This is Germ warfare, the battleof ideas, Todd Hay.
And thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thank you for having me, Germ. It's it's been a while since you
and I talked, so I'm very excited about today.
I think over a year. Yeah, it's, you know, it's time
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when you get old time. Like a year is like 5 minutes,
that's what. It was I, I.
Yeah. You wouldn't know.
No, not yet. You got a little while to go.
Yeah. In fact, the ancient Egyptians
thought that time was relative. There wasn't.
There wasn't. You know, some things actually
took longer than other things. It was like that's how they
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perceive time, which is really the truth as far as empirical
experiences. It's like there are things that
take seem to take longer, but wehave the clock that tells us
it's the same. Yeah, but to hell with clocks.
Technology back. When you and I started chatting
a few years ago, it was I think in the height of the the COVID
event and. Yes, it's all.
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Quote unquote over now, but yeah, I'm guessing.
Part of it is, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean that part, the,
the, the, the whole psychological operation, you
know, that people were told about some sort of biological
event, that part. Right.
It's over, but but COVID, the word is, it's kind of like a,
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it's like a catch phrase now forsomething much bigger, isn't it?
I think so, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I know exactly what you're what you're saying there.
There's a danger, you know, it'sthe law before the storm.
There's this, there's this feeling that that it's not a
feeling because it's it's evidential, but it's it's gone
down below a certain level. You know, when it raised above
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this level, it was like everybody wearing masks,
everybody getting a shot and, you know, constant news about
the number of people that have died and whenever that
definitely has gone down below, below the noise level.
But everything that stands behind what happened is still
there and is and is still very dynamic and very strong.
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But the public doesn't see that.The public didn't even see it
when it was actually happening. They didn't see it for what it
was. They, they, you know, they just
took it point blank as to what, what the authority was telling
them it was. And obviously that's what we all
talk about. But I think it's dangerous to
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believe. And, you know, my sub stack
really focuses on don't don't forget about this.
This is still happening. And, you know, it's, it's taking
the form now of, of, you know, the CBDC's and the, the digital
IDs and even even that's kind oflowered a little bit with its
intensity of being pushed. But I think the primary thing we
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see it in now is the Middle Eastand the, the evil Trump who is
trying to destroy the world. They, they, they, they get, it's
a distraction because they, theydon't really see what is trying
to destroy the world. But anyway, that's.
You're you're Canadian, So what are your thoughts both?
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What are your thoughts on Canadabecoming a province of the US?
You know, I, I, I, I don't know,I think, I think in, I think in
theory or hypothetically, it already is.
And I think a lot of that is typical Trump blather and, and
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it has a purpose behind it. And the purpose behind it is
working. It's, it's creating a
nationalistic fervour in Canada.All of a sudden Canada is
independent and elbows up and all this junk that's going on
here. I mean, it's, it's actually
quite terrifying. And I think that was his
intention, Believe it or not, I,I don't think Trump's intention
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was to make Canada stronger, butto, to create this fervour, a
nationalistic fervour, which which essentially got Carney
voted in. And I think that I think that is
advantageous to Trump. I, I don't know why.
I mean, I, I can guess, you know, I think, I think other
people more well informed and, and studying all, all of this
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stuff would, would, would give abetter answer than I would as to
why. But, but you know, Trump says it
himself, he, he would rather have the Liberal Party in place.
And I think it's because he knows he can manipulate that
easier. And so, so that's what the whole
51st state thing, I think the intention, just like the Gaza
thing, you know, turning that into, into Trump Wonderland.
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It it's, you know, it's, it's weird And it there, there isn't,
there is an intention behind it,But I don't, I don't think it's
what people think. I don't think it's what is on
the surface, you know, if that answers your question, I don't
know. Canada's a weird place right
now. It kind of reinforces the whole
idea that it's just all theatre.It is all theatre, absolutely
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always has been. I think it's different theatre
now. I think it's, I mean, you know,
like with Trump getting pissed off the other day and dropping
the F word and all that. I mean, that's all theatre and,
and it always has been theatre. But I think it's been more
deceiving theatre. I think it's been more like,
like, you know, the goody 2 shoes president who never would
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curse and is not a bully and whatever to to the public, you
know, like Obama, good example of that Obama like presented
this charismatic really together, you know, loving,
caring person. And then he's bombing the shit
out of Syria and and whatever, you know, Yeah, and and now it's
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it's more surface and and the the tactics that are played are
are still theatre, but I think they're easy to figure out
actually, if if you think about them, you know, if if you're a
critical thinker, I think it's easier to look at what Trump is
doing, for example, and like, get it, you know, to go, OK,
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this is this is what he's doing.This is the theatre he's
presenting here now. I think it was harder before
when it's deceiving, when it's deceptive, it's it's harder to
see it because you got to dig a little deeper.
Trump is obvious. I, I think it's really obvious.
And the people that think he's literal hating, look at what
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he's doing now, you know, and you're like, oh, well, it's not
really what he's doing. It's what he's saying, but he's
not really doing it. You know, I don't know, I'm not
a big Trump fan. I, I, I, I mean, I, I'm watching
carefully. I'm not any fan.
I'm not. I've never been a fan of a
president and. But I think that's the right
position to to to hold. Yeah, it feels that way.
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Yeah. Yeah, just, I mean, it's a big
game. I don't know anything about it.
I I don't personally know how tomanage the world and what those
decisions that are made. There's a whole bunch of
different levels. You can look at it.
I mean, you can look at it at the at the, the consensus level,
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you know, there's a war going on.
Israel is being, is being threatened by the Muslim world
or whatever. And you know, they, they have
the right to, to blah, blah, blah.
You can look at it that, that, that level of which most people
do, or you can look at it at a deeper level that, that they're
all theatre, They're all manipulating one another for
different reasons and different goals.
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And it isn't the ones that we'retold it isn't about religious
freedom, for instance, it's it'snot about that.
And you watch the agenda and obviously you, you can see a
more truthful presentation of what it is about, you know, and
I don't even think it's about that.
I mean, you know, I, I once in awhile, like when I'm laying
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awake at night, I start thinkingabout things like the devil or
lizard man or anything. I mean, you know, you'd like go,
well, that makes that actually makes more sense.
You know, more questions are answered If if, if it's actually
Satan sitting somewhere on a throne with his horns and
saying, OK, then we're going to destroy the human race and this
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is how I'm going to do it. And or, or alien lizard people
or whatever. It it makes more sense.
It it like, you know, but then Iwake up and I go, I don't think
so. I'd love to talk to, to, yeah,
love to talk to you about this because I, I know you have, you
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have the same kind of open mind that I do.
It's like, well, maybe so, you know, maybe the Earth is flat,
maybe there are no viruses, you know, and what, whatever it's
it's like, OK, state your case. Let me let me hear it and think
about it. I mean, I know, I know we've
talked about that before. And I mean, you and I are
similar. Yeah.
To to be. Fair.
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If I fly in an aeroplane and I often do this and I look out the
window, the horizon does look completely flat, right, But but
then, but then the counter argument is, well, you're not
high enough. All right, fine, I get it, but
it doesn't flat. Or does David Icke have a point?
You know that everything is a simulation and and reptiles, I
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mean King Charles, look at look at him.
He does look a bit cold blooded.It does well, you know, if, if
you've ever entertained the, thethought, which, which is a, a
very viable presentation that consciousness creates material
reality and that, you know, the quantum physics that I mean, all
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these, all these like very, very, very well educated and
thoughtful people have come up with these like the multiple
universe concept, the infinite number of universe, the infinite
number of realities that consciousness actually forms.
I mean, if, if you've, if you'veentertained that at all, then
anything, anything's possible, you know, anything is because
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if, if our consciousness can create material reality, then
we're creating lizards and we'recreating a Flat Earth.
And I've always said this back at a time where everybody
believed that the earth was flat.
It was, you know, it's like if, if everyone believes it's flat,
then it is flat. And if the majority of people
believe it's round, to those people it is round, like like
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literally manifested round. The people that believe that
it's flat, they can prove it is because it is in that multiple
universe, in that reality. So if if you entertain this
thought at all, I mean anything goes.
That's a very interesting way oflooking at things, Todd, because
what what it implies is that storytelling narratives actually
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matter more than facts. Because absolutely.
The history of the history of humanity is storytelling, yeah.
Everything's storytelling human,human beings operate completely
in a, in a storytelling and, andan individual storytelling.
You know, you look at animals, they also have stories, but
they're more instinctive. They're more historical stories.
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You know, they're more about instincts, genetics, whatever.
They have their own personal story.
Of course, if you have dogs at all and you have, or cats or
anything, well, cats, I don't know, but dogs, if you have
dogs, it's very, very clear theyhave different distinct
personalities. They, they make their own
personal stories, but they don'tlive by them the same way humans
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do. I mean, and their stories are
probably not as complex as, as the fabrication of the story we
make. So every, everything we do is
based on story. Some of it's consensual,
obviously, some of it is personal.
And if you work in psychotherapylike I do, it's it's amazing the
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personal stories people make that don't correspond with
material reality, whatever that is.
So. I do take a slight exception
though to what you're saying because it does sound a bit woo
woo postmodern and and I'm not abig fan of postmodernism where
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reality is relative. I mean, surely there is an
object of reality? Well, you can believe that
that's a subjective view. Well, not, no, I, I wouldn't say
it like, I mean, you, you get twisted up in a paradox with,
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with this kind of thinking, because I could say that I could
say, oh, well, that's your subjective thought about
reality. So it may not be true, but, but
I, I don't think it really worksthat way.
I, I think there is an objectivematerial reality, but I think
it's flexible, which what is that objective then?
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No, I, and you know, this is, this is where you really get
into the twist with it. And I can't even talk about this
because I, I don't grok it myself.
I mean, it's, it's too weird. Is, is that the reality, the
material reality that my consciousness makes is different
than the one yours makes, But they, they overlap.
OK. It doesn't mean it's
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solipsistic. And this, this is where you run
into the problem. It's, it's not saying that I am
the only conscious being on Earth and I create everything,
which is a solipsistic idea, butit's saying that everybody has
and that's why I can't explain it.
Everybody has access to creatingthe material reality, but
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they're, they're all separate. But they're not, they're all,
they're all one. It's, it's impossible to explain
this. Maybe somebody out there
listening can explain it, or maybe there's a book that
explains it. I can't explain it.
I've always tried to. The closest I get is the one
electron theory. I, I don't know, I think we may,
we've talked about this once. We've talked about so many
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strange things, but the one electron theory says that
there's only one material particle and it's the size of an
electron, which which isn't really a material particle, but
anyway, let's us call it that, that it's one material particle
that sends in quantum theory. That particle can be anywhere
and everywhere at the same time.That that the to get from here
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to here takes no time. It's like 0 time.
So therefore it can from a material perspective, not from a
spiritual one, but from a material perspective, That
particle can paint the entire universe, the material part of
the universe, all at once. Because there's no time.
There's a quantum leap and, and therefore that one particle
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creates everything that you and I are looking at.
You, me, everybody else, everything it, one particle
creates it. So that's unity.
That's the unity concept of materiality.
Therefore, that particle can be controlled by consciousness,
which is moving out of the material realm and, and can
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paint anything the consciousnesswants it to paint.
Now, again, where you run into trouble is like, what am I
painting? Is it the same as what you're
painting? Is it, you know, obviously we're
sharing something, you know, yousee me, I see you, I see your
microphone, you know, you see mine.
And it's like, so there is a, anobjective reality to the two of
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us and everybody else that we share something with.
We can see, you know, and I mean, even Carl Jung made a
comment like, well, I think it was, no, it wasn't Carl Jung.
It was Einstein made. I think it was Einstein made
some comment that if you, if youdon't look at the moon, it's not
there. You know, it's, it's like
whatever, whatever we're seeing is painting in front of us and
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anything we don't see doesn't actually exist.
Like my wife now is is at work and it's like she really isn't
there because I don't see her. I don't paint her there anyway.
But I mean, why are we talking about this?
There is, there is, there is a degree of truth in what you're
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saying. If I think back to the COVID
era, millions and millions and millions of people were told
that there was a deadly contagion that could kill them
at at any given moment and they would need to have a vaccine.
And they believed it and they still do.
And and it was very real. And you've had these
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conversations with people. Yes, but I know so and so X who
died from COVID. How dare you say that there was
no pandemic. It was their reality.
My reality is that there was no pandemic.
Right. And you know where you're
getting you're, you're talking which which everybody you know
was going to do for the most part.
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You're talking at a certain level of this, of this concept
of creating reality. And this is the, the common
concept of it, which is where weactually can see effect by mass
belief in something. It's, it's different than this
higher level of creating your own reality because up there
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there's really nothing you can say.
I mean, then you can say, well, you and I created the reality
that the, that, that people believed in the vaccine that we
created that our consciousness created that and created all the
people, the higher authority telling everybody to get the
vaccine. We created that.
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And, and it's like, well, that'swhen you get well, what is that?
I mean, that's, that's at this weird level.
We can't really talk about stuffat that level.
It's, it's too weird. The level you're talking about
is the, is the acceptable level that if a whole bunch of people
believe something, then they aregoing to take a certain action.
The all the Germans in 1932 thatbelieved in, in Hitler, you
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know, took a certain action. All the Chinese during the
Cultural Revolution, they took acertain action.
And all the people that believe in the, in the vaccine takes a
certain action. So it's like, how do you create
that? And you, you create that.
I, I don't think that happens. And I think you and I are on the
same page with this. I don't think that happens
organically. I, I think that has to be
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instigated by an agenda, which is what the movie, the agenda
goes into there. There has to be a, a decision
somewhere here. And, and maybe maybe it isn't as
as clear as we would like to think it is.
Maybe it isn't like, well, let'sget rid of, you know, 10 billion
people and give them this poisonvaccine to kill them all.
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It may not be that that literal it may be, but it may not be.
It may be more of of like, let'screate this thing in order to
get control over everybody so wecan kind of funnel them all into
this, you know, smart city, CBDC, digital ID, what whatever
the hell it is, so we can move them into that more easily
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because we've got them kind of captured into this fear.
And and whatnot. So yeah.
And now why is it that those people fall for it and we don't.
I think that's the big mystery. I don't I don't get that.
What why am I special That and and it's it's a huge dichotomy.
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I mean, this isn't this isn't just like, well, yeah, I kind of
believe this and you believe that whatever.
I mean, this is radical. What, what we know and can see
clearly in front of us that these other people can't see.
I mean, it's like they're blind.Literally.
They can't see it. And if it's put right in front
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of them, they just reject it. It's like la, la, la, la, la.
No, I don't want to see that. That is weird.
I find that very, very strange. Matthias Desmet who wrote the
book on totalitarianism, but many others have written similar
stuff. He, he said that around about
1/3 of people that any at any given stage will be alert or
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awake, quote unquote, which suggests that there will never
really be a critical mass that'sbigger than that.
I mean, if I think about my own circles, those who believed in
the COVID scam, those who believed in the vaccine, it's
always around about a third, more or less.
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I mean, I beg your pardon, Thosewho didn't believe in it, was it
right about a third? Sorry, I meant to say that.
Right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
That was implied. I figured it out.
You know, it's there. There is, you know, from my my
thinking and my research there, there is definitely validity in
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in an idea of a psychological psychosis, of mass psychosis.
I don't think Desmond used that term.
I think he he used something else.
He. Really dislikes that term.
Dislikes that term, yeah. It was Rob Malone who It was Rob
Malone who went into to Rogan and unfortunately butchered what
Matthias Desmond right about. What does Desmond use?
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Mass something. What is nation fat?
Right, exactly. And then then again, you can
also look at it from a psychoticperspective.
It's more problematic because that's that's a that's a psychic
pathology that to see on a mass scale is, is a problem.
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But we've seen it in history, you know, mentioned the Germans
and mentioned, you know, Chinese, the Cultural Revolution
and there's many others, obviously is some bigger, some
smaller throughout history whereit appears as if people become
psychotic. Technically they probably aren't
OK from a psychological perspective, but it is a mass
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formation. And you know, Desmond's a lot
clearer with his, he's a, he's abrilliant psychologist.
So he, he obviously can word this much better than I can.
But but there's more to it now because those, those examples
are radical cultural influences.And what we're seeing now isn't
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as radical as, say, National Socialism in Germany or, or the
Cultural Revolution. They're not as radical.
They, they are there. I think they, they do have an
upper feed. They're coming down from, from
this, you know, WEFUN whatever like the agenda talks about, but
to have the effect that it has, it's it's not.
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And you know, we, we can talk about, well, that's because of
the COVID thing. And, and that was radical, you
know, the fear that was put into, but, but it already, it
already happened before that it,it was like people were ready
for that, you know, to, to be radicalised by fear and, and
whatever they were open to it and, and they immediately took
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it and accepted it. There was no question anywhere.
There wasn't people going, Oh, well, you know, this, the, I
don't really believe this yet. You know, you, you've got to
give me more information then. Nobody cared about any of that.
It was like instant, you know, so.
This term, radicalization or radical, is a term I've thought
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about a lot. And yeah, I don't really know
what it means, Todd. It seems to be relative.
It's always the other person who's radicalised.
There's never you. Well, there's, there's a lot of
words like that, like conspiracyand and what whatever.
You know, you're absolutely right.
I don't even know what the definition of radical is.
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I, I think what makes us not radical and them radical is when
it deviates from, I know this isgoing to be hard to say without,
without, uh, controversy, but when it deviates from, umm,
objective reality, you know, truth, you know, I boil down a
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lot of this stuff because, because, because a lot of times
I sit around and go, Gee, am I the crazy one here?
Am I the one that's paranoid? Am I the one that's, you know,
and I, and I boil it down to really simplistic things like
there is, there's no way that I can, I can go on the other side
of the concept that an 8 year old should be advocated to have
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surgery or take medication because they're not the sex they
were born with. I mean something as simple as
that. But that's quite radical.
Which is radical? Which one to to believe that to
have to have children? To have your view in which you
are opposed to it because the normalisation of it is what's
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going on and so your push back is what makes you radical.
Right to to that group of people, it's radical, yeah, but
it just like what you're saying that the term oscillates back
and forth depending on who's saying it.
But. And you could say that about
conspiracy or you could say thatabout a lot of things.
It's or truth even, you know, facts are rat are, you know,
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dependent on who is defining them.
But there's a, there's a, an untruth in that.
You know, now how people use theword radical, I, I don't know.
I mean, obviously it's, it's probably deviating from the
actual definition of it in the dictionary.
But yes, you know, you were a radical if you were in Nazi
Germany and, and was Jewish or believed or, or was not Jewish
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but believed that the Nazi idea of exterminating or not, the
people didn't necessarily know that's what was happening.
But you know the the negative perception of Jews.
If you didn't believe in that, you were radical.
Yeah, but also also sorry, but similarly, the negative
perception of Nazi Germans, because we have to, we have to
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establish what what was real at the time and, and, and, and it's
not just that it's any form of history.
Look at South Africa, for example, right, because we had
apartheid. So therefore the black
population was oppressed for a few decades by a white minority.
That creates the perception thatI, as a white South African,
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hate blacks. Well, you're guilty by
association. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's the same thing going
back to the Trump thing. Anybody that doesn't think Trump
is, is somebody to hate is, is somehow sick, you know, hates,
hates blacks and and homosexualsand whatever because the
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perception is, is that Trump hates those people too, which
which I don't think is true. But you know, we're getting,
we're getting into like objective truth.
It's like, what is that? And I think it boils down as you
reduce it and reduce it and reduce it, it does boil down to
two kind of basic values of lifeand, and decency and whatever.
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And there are of course people that even argue with that.
I mean, you know, the, the Nietzsche concept of, of
creating your own morality. You know, what is morality?
I mean, what's good for the for the snake is not good for the
mouse. You know it's, but it's like.
That's why I sorry for interjecting, but that's why I
tend to make the argument that Idon't know if you agree with me,
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but I'll make the argument that it's very good.
It's very healthy to have a belief in something outside of
of the material. I I absolutely agree.
In fact, I think that's one of the primary reasons why we're in
the mess we're in is because theagenda is made great effort over
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many years in the West at least,to remove any kind of spiritual
faith or or you know, religion. But that that removal of faith
gets replaced with the belief inthe state, for example, or
exactly in the in the in the democratic authorities.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, Young said this years
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ago. He said that that God is an, is
an archetype that that we will relate to.
And if we remove God, then you're going to relate to some
other power or authority, whatever it might be.
That probably isn't a good idea.At least God is like, you know,
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it's like you can't really nail it down.
Like God isn't an authority in the in the sense.
And that's a lot of reason I hear all the time that people
don't believe in God is because they say, wow, it's just another
authority. And it's like, well, do you, do
you believe in sticking your finger in a light socket?
And they go, no. And then I go, well, so you
think electricity is an authority over you, You, you
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think it's, it's a boss, it's telling you what to do.
And they go, no. And I go, well, then why don't
you stick your finger in the light socket?
It's like, you know, do you think that electricity has power
over you? Well, yeah.
OK. I mean, it's the same same kind
of thing. I mean, of course it's
different. But yeah, you know, the, the
rules of God are, are just common sense rules.
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It's like, if you want to have ashitty life, then go do this,
this, this, you know, and, and you will.
It's like God isn't going to punish you, you're just going to
have a shitty life. Yeah, but I mean, you were
touching on something that I've been thinking about also.
So, you know, I've, I've had David Ike on my show a few times
and I like David and I like someof his, I like some of his views
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too. But I really, really take issue
with, with his sort of anti religious position because,
because it, it requires A remarkable amount of hubris to
think that you, you are powerfulenough to, to be in full
control. And and that's one of the things
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that I think is, is beautiful about belief, faith is that it
does, it does force a sense of humility on you.
Absolutely, yeah. And I'm not that familiar with
David Icke's work to even know that about him.
I wasn't aware of that. Well, he says that religion is a
is a control mechanism. Well, religion is, I mean
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religion, you know, we're and this is something people always
conflate religion and, and belief or faith or, you know,
spirituality, because that's, that's a catch phrase.
It's not the same. Religion is an organisation
organised by people in order to,at its core, at its authentic
core, to propagate or to preach or to, you know, whatever a
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particular idea about what God is or what Jesus is or whatever
it might be. That's open to problems and
obviously there's been a lot of them over time.
It's open to problems and interpretation.
It's open to problems of corruption, it's open to
problems of, of seizing power and whatever it might be.
Religion isn't the issue, although I think religion is
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wonderful as a framework for people that believe that can go
to church and can, you know, do all the ritual structures of the
religion. But it is a problem.
Organised religion does have itsproblems in my, in my view, if
you find the right place or the right one or the right group of
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people, whatever, it may not have as much problem.
It's more of a historical problem to me than it is an
active one. But what you said earlier about
the humility, it's, it's like the whole concept of, of
transhumanism, which is kind of one of the leaders in this whole
world. Weirdness that's going on is
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this idea that we can transcend God's creation, his God's
ability to create and to to makethe complexity of the world
that, that, that energy, whatever you want to call it,
call it God, call it whatever you want.
That we can do that ourselves. And we're so far away from
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anything just because we can build a robot, you know, it's
like or AI or whatever. Look what we're doing.
We're as good as God, you know, or the medicine thing or
whatever is nonsense. And there's such a great, I
don't know how familiar you are with the book of Job.
There's such AI mean the the kind of the culmination of that,
you know, joke gets all pissed off and like saying, why are you
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doing this to me? You've destroyed my life.
You've done this, you've done that.
And he has this, this, this faceoff with God and God guy.
And you know, God, you know, I'mparaphrasing obviously, but God
basically says, you know why? You know, you're, you're like
one person and and you're like making this big deal out of this
shit. It's it's of course God didn't
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say that, but but it's like, look at all that I've done.
Look at look at what I've created.
How dare you even question this.This doesn't have anything to do
with you as an individual person.
Look at the, look at the, I mean, he goes through, look at
the forest, look at the animals,look at the rivers.
Look at look at this, look at all of this brilliant creation
that I, that I have created. And you're going to focus on
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this. You know, you're going to get
upset with me because I, I killed your family or whatever,
you know it. And it's, of course, it's all
metaphorical. It's, it's not literal.
Oh, God's a bad thing. You know, he hurt this poor man
that really believed in him or whatnot.
It's, it's a, it's a metaphor. It's an analogy of, of what it
is We focus on that. We judge God by, you know, we
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judge God by well, if there were, if there was a God, we
wouldn't have like childhood leukaemia and we wouldn't have
cancer and we wouldn't have God,wouldn't, you know, wouldn't do
that. He's, he's hateful and he's this
and he's that. And it's like, you know, the,
the whole purpose of of being a being a material being is that
we die and that we live for a short period of time and then we
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die. And it's, it's like that's the
material thing. It's that, that's not the
importance of it. And most of what God does that
people say is shitty, we bring on ourselves.
You know, we have, we have free will and we create most of the
problem that we complain that God has created for us.
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Do you think we have free will? I thought about that also.
I'm not sure I. Know that's a big topic.
I shouldn't be talking about anyof this, I'm just an idiot.
You, you, you know, you're throwing out trigger words.
Yeah. I know I'm thinking about all
your listeners that are going what is?
Who does this guy think he is? It's what Noam Chomsky said.
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You, you have the parameters of acceptable discussion or
discourse or I guess by extension movement.
And then you're encouraged to toaggressively move and have
discourse within those boundaries so that you think
you're free, but you can't go beyond those boundaries.
With with what you. Can, but, but with there's a
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great deal of resistance. Of what there is.
A border of a country is a good thing, right?
It's it's a good thing. It creates, it creates
neighbours. But I'm still saying that by
virtue of the fact that somebody's born in North Korea,
how free are they really? Well, within within that context
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you're 100% correct. But the the the metaphysical
perspective is more that we can,we can manipulate matter because
matter is an illusion that matter is created.
And the only reason why we abideby it is because we're told the
story that we have to or that itwould be almost impossible not
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to. Like your story about
travelling. It's like we believe that that
is a limitation because it's been put in place and we believe
it. We believe it because we see
evidence of it clearly over and over and over again.
But we believe it and therefore we don't attempt to change
something that we believe. And according again, I, I think
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there's a certain point where wedon't die on that hill.
You know, it's like there's no point in you walking across the
border or, or doing whatever. Like Jesus would walk on the
water. I mean, that's the whole Jesus
on the water thing. Who is it?
See, I don't know the Bible wellenough, but is it Peter or Paul
or somebody that that they're onthe boats or something?
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And Jesus says, come over here and he says I can't, I can't
walk on the water. And Jesus says ye of little
faith, something to that regard.And it's like, what do you
expect? I have to have faith that I can
walk on the water. And it's like, well, yeah, you
do. If you really believe, if you
really believe, you can do anything.
If you really believe that that you have free will, then you do
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you. You don't follow the rules.
You don't stop because there's water, you know, and there's a
lot of evidence that if you stepon water, you'll, you'll sink
through it. So it's like, it's a, it's a
story that we have reason to believe.
Now there's little ones that we can overcome.
You know, I have a lot of clients that have no self
confidence. They, they won't go out for a
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job, they won't go date a woman.They, they won't ask a girl on a
date because they're terrified. They're told the story that, you
know, blah, blah, blah. Those, those are easier ones
say, well, you know, just go do it.
It's like there isn't, there isn't a policeman there that's
going to like crack him in the head if he goes and asks a girl
out on a date. So there's not a lot of evidence
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to say other than rejection. No, I don't want to go on a date
with you. You're ugly.
OK, that's rejection. But they face that over and over
and over again and eventually something will come through.
So those are easy ones obviouslyto they're not easy for a lot of
people, but but they're they're at least conceptually easy where
what you're saying is not, I mean, you know, to break that
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story is not easy. But have you tried, have you
just walked up to the gate and say I'm going to get on that
plane and go, have you tried? No, probably not.
I wouldn't either. OK, so but you go, well, maybe
something would happen if you truly believed you had to get to
Canada and and get on a plane, then maybe something would
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happen. Maybe the person at the gate
would drop dead from a heart attack or something, whatever, I
don't know. Something would happen if you
breakthrough that story, that belief.
Now this is hypothetical. This is this is a more of a
higher up transcendent spiritualbelief.
Do do you do it is done unto youas you believe.
You know, it's the story of walking on the water is the
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metaphor. I don't think we need to do
that. In in every regard in our life.
So we don't really have to, you know, exercise our free will.
And yeah, I think from a pragmatic point of view, you can
definitely say what you said. We don't really have free will
because we can't really do anything we want.
Can the guy that was born with no legs, can he go and win the
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Olympics as a sprinter? You know, no, he doesn't have
free will even if he wanted to do that.
And also, when does it start? I mean, for example, you know,
we have a little child and he doesn't start crying because he
chooses to eat, cries because he's hungry or because there's
something wrong. He doesn't understand, Will.
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It's just an instinctive response.
Or if somebody comes up behind you and they stab you in the
back, you instinctively respond.You don't act on free will.
Yeah, you, you have to go back to, to what we were originally
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talking about with creating yourown reality.
If I'm sitting in a room and somebody tells me stories or if
I watch TV shows or reads books about or listen to what you just
said about people coming up to you and stabbing you in the back
and there's nothing, there's no free will in what you do there,
then that's the story. And that's, that's what I'll
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believe and that's how I'll see it.
That's how I'll see it for you. That's how I'll see it for
everybody around me because I'm creating that reality through my
own consciousness. And this, this is that that
really weird metaphysical idea I'm talking about.
So the story is, is what you just said.
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You can't get on a plane if you're in North Korea.
You can't do this. You can't do that if if you know
your kids crying, your kid wants, you know, he's not
exercising very well and neitherare you because you don't want
him to be crying and whatnot. But that goes into this idea
that we're creating our own reality.
If we created reality where where nobody stabbed anybody,
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where all borders were free and kids got everything that they
wanted, then that would be the reality we would be living in.
And I'm not quite sure if that'sgood.
I think it's a terrible. Idea.
Yeah, I mean, there, there, there's reason for restriction.
There's reason for the story that we can't do anything we
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want. Well, I mean hierarchy.
Sorry, but hierarchy creates order.
Yeah. What do you mean?
Like what? What does that with what we're
talking about? High Hierarchy creates order.
Yeah, and order, Yeah, creates boundaries and parameters.
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For physical beings, yeah, yeah,I, I mean, this is what I think
philosophically we're getting into here is this is this idea
of, of why can I, can I curse onyour show?
Can I use the S word, F word? Why the fuck does it matter if
if you know, we're we are material beings that are
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radically limited just by our materiality.
Unless you think you can recreate your materiality, that
you can make yourself a snake ora weasel or whatever in order to
to better deal with your environment.
You can shape shift. There are people that believe
you can. Yeah, right.
Exactly. That's that's a good example.
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But we don't do those things because our higher self is
essentially saying no, no, no, you're, you're, you're supposed
to as a physical being. The whole point of being
physical and not being ethereal,not being a spirit, which which
is where we return and what our true essence is, is to go
through the challenge of limitation.
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You know, that's, that's the purpose that we're limited.
I mean, look at some of these people that are born with no
limbs or whatever, some of the stories you hear about these
people being able to grasp, graba hold of life and make these
incredible experiences in life with these radical, radical,
radical limitations, You know, So I, I agree with you with
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that. It's like there is there's no
point in, in taking your, your ability to, to manipulate matter
and get on a plane and go to Canada using that, using that
ability. There's there's no purpose in
it. If if you had to get to Canada
because you're, you know, you had a child or whatever that was
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dying there and you being there would save them, you probably
would figure out a way to get there, you know, that would not
limit you. But there's really no reason to
at this point. Does that make any sense?
Huh. In all fairness, there's there's
no reason for anybody to go to Canada.
No, there isn't. Not now.
There isn't actually. You know, it could be a lot
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worse. This isn't North Korea or any
number of places that would be would be a lot worse to be in.
But Australia, you know. Yeah.
A friend of mine said that beingin Canada is like being on the
first boat that hit the beach inNormandy.
It's like they're going to be the first one that gets mowed
down, you know, with all that's going on.
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And that's probably true. So.
Yeah. We've been chatting very
philosophically, but I mean, that's your shtick.
That's, that's what you do shrew, shrew views is, is a, is
like a, it's like a sort of philosophical, psychological
take on on reality in the world around us.
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And you've got a book out, haven't you?
Yes. Sir, it's coming out on Monday
where you can get it, if you cansee that that's the book, The
View of the Shrew. We're all shrews, all of us on
this side of the fence. I, I named us that and that's my
sub stack at shrewviews.com. And we do, you know, I, I
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appreciate you calling it philosophical.
I don't consider myself a philosopher at all.
I but I think it's more philosophy and psychology from a
layman's perspective, really, even though I'm a professional
psychologist or psychotherapist,it's still, it's still my take
as a, as a layman, as a person on what's going on.
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And the interesting thing is that when I first started
writing, I thought, why would anybody be interested in, in
what I'm having to say? And the number one comment I get
from the people that read my work is I was just thinking the
same thing this morning. And thank you so much for
putting it into the words you put it into because it makes so
much sense and it resonates with, with what I'm thinking.
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And that's it. That's, that's what drives me to
write because every time I write, I go, Gee, I wonder who
out there is thinking this too? And so it's it's been very, very
rewarding in that sense. But I think it matters also, you
know, something that I've learned from the COVID era is
the profound unreliability and inconsistency of materialism.
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Well, that's interesting becausethat's, that's my experience as
well. And I think it's a lot.
It's like all of a sudden you go, what about that, you know,
is, is that, is that true? I've always thought it was.
And then you start to look into it and you start going, you
know, it probably wasn't. And that's that's a strange
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awakening because it's not, it'snot based on just, oh, that's
contrary. Oh, this is contrary to what
everybody thinks. So it must, it must not be true.
It's based on evidence. You look into it and you start
like going, I never thought of that.
That's absolutely doesn't make sense.
How, how did they do blah, blah,blah.
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And then you go, because you take everything for granted.
It's, it's like, oh, sure, you know, it happened.
So they must have figured it out.
And, and then when you, when yougo, well, maybe it didn't happen
and you start looking and you realise they didn't figure it
out. And like the moon landing is a
good one. You know, my, my new theory with
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the moon landing is that they, they, and this isn't my theory.
This is just an idea that they did actually land on the moon,
but they didn't have the technology to let everybody know
that to like have like the cameras and all that.
And they go, but we've got to let everybody know we're there.
So let's make that part up. Let's let, let's do a film of
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them walking around on the moon and let's make all that crap up
so that we can prove or we can pretend like we're proving that
people were actually there and it all backfired on them that
it's like, whoa, no, this is allfake.
And well, we actually did land. But I.
Mean it's hard. We all know that the Earth is
flat and the moon is just plasma.
That's right. Exactly.
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Yeah, it's it's fake. We don't know what's on the
other side of it. So who who knows what's over
there? By the way, have you seen that
movie? I think it's an Apple movie.
It's called Fly Me to the Moon. Moon came out a year ago with
Woody Harrelson and Scarlett Jansen.
And I forget now as a Channing Tatum.
I think it's very good. And and the reason why I say
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that is, is that it's the first movie in the mainstream
Hollywood sense with a list actors and a big budget that
actually entertains the idea that the moon landing was a
hoax. Really.
Yes. Is does it do it comedicly?
I mean, it doesn't make it fun. Yes, it basically makes makes
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their side look ridiculous and there's a count show, but the
point is, is that it nonethelessentertains the idea.
And it's it's a big portion of the movie.
And that guy, that guy who is the clown is Woody Harrelson.
And and it's such, it's such a good spin to the moon landing
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Apollo mission story. I would strongly recommend
watching it. Oh, definitely.
I'm going to check that out. That's very cool, because
remember, that's very cool. As opposed to simply not even
entertaining the idea, Entertaining the idea is now
opening the gate. Right.
It it particularly if if the truth is the thing people are
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starting to believe that they didn't believe before.
And you know what is truth? OK, well, in the material world,
there is an objective truth. Now, you can get into the
metaphysical crap we've been talking about and say, well,
there really is no truth, you know, because of everything's
manipulated. But in the material world, at
least a story that you and I, and I guess most every other
person, if they're real, adhere to, there is a truth.
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You know, there is a truth about911.
There is a truth about Kennedy and whatever.
And if that truth was covered upthrough government manipulation
or whatnot, and most people didn't didn't see the truth,
then what you're describing is that people are waking up to the
truth. They're not, they're not
changing their story. They're just that the story does
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change, but they're not just changing their story.
Now there's a lot of people I believe that are coming to the
truth with no evidence. They're they're not actually
seeing the evidence. They're just following the
trend. Oh, Gee, did you know that, you
know, all kinds of people are believing now that Kennedy was
not assassinated the way that wealways thought.
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But they don't actually go in and say, Gee, I wonder why
people are thinking that. And look at it.
They're just going along like they did before with the
consensus of, of what people aresaying or what movies are saying
or whatever, which is better than the other way.
Obviously, you know, you can propagandise the truth.
You can, you can cause people tobelieve the truth the same way
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you can cause them to believe a lie.
You know, it's the same method. You know, if you don't look at
evidence, you're following the pack.
And that's better than the otherway.
I mean, it's better than following the pack for a lie or
an untruth, so. You're touching on epistemology
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though, the theory of knowledge.Why do you believe what you
believe? This is a conversation I had
recently with Peter Boghossian, who wrote a great book called
How to Have Impossible Conversations, and he argues
that facts don't really matter, what matters is why people
believe what they believe. Well, ultimately that's true.
I mean, obviously, ultimately that's true.
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I still believe, and maybe you do too, even though I'm talking
about this weird metaphysical stuff.
I, I still do believe there's anobjective reality.
And I knew you asked that question around at the
beginning. I wish you washed around it.
But I, you know, I, I don't think we can really function
through life, at least easily, as easy as as possible without
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believing that. I mean, I, I have to believe if
I walked out in the street or ifI walked out onto the water, I
would sink. You know, I'm, I am of little
faith according to Jesus. So I, I do believe there's an
objective reality. Now coming to that is what
you're saying. It's like, if I don't believe it
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is that as powerful? Like if I, if I don't believe in
the assassination, say as, as actually really happened, that
is more powerful for me that I believe something that isn't
true is. And I think that's what you're
what you're coming to with that,right?
That, yeah, in my personal life,and I deal with this every day.
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I mean, the the stuff that I deal with with clients is, is a
departure from objective reality.
It's it's, it's an insistent that subjective reality is the
truth. And that sometimes is true, but
often it's not. I'll give you a good example.
Just one final example, because I'm just checking the time
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contagion is one that I have focused a lot on since about
halfway through the COVID era. You know, can you give me
something and make me sick? And it's one reason why those
people get sick then when they're around somebody else
who's sick, they, they, they self prove their belief because
of a, of a more, you know, placebo like effect or nocebo
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effect that, that if they believe they're going to get
sick, if they're around somebodywho has a cold, then they're
more likely to get a cold. I'm in the same place with you
with that. And I haven't, I haven't done
enough research. There's a common sense element
to me about pathogens and about the transference of bacteria and
parasites and various things like that, that just fit the
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world view of nature. You know, it just makes more
sense to me that you can spread a disease.
And, and I, I think that I thinkwhat's good it's going to come
down to is that it's partially true and it's partially false.
And I think that science, quote unquote, whatever the medical
industry, whatever has run with it for monetized reasons, run
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with this pathogen spreading pathogen thing, you know, blah,
blah, blah. So I don't think it's, it's
quite as true as they want everybody to think it is.
And I'm very much on the fence with the virus thing.
I'm very close to believing thatthat the virus idea is, is not
accurate. But you know, the whole bubonic
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plague with fleas, and I mean, did, did fleas actually have a
pathogen in them that they bit people from being on rats and
whatever. It just makes sense.
Now there are people that argue that that say the whole bubonic
plague thing was a hoax and was bullshit and why not so.
What you're saying is a good thing because what you're saying
actually is what science is about.
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It's about questioning all the time and not just grammatically
accepting. The difference is, is that we're
being, well, maybe it's not thatbig of a difference, but we're
being driven by an agenda there.There is an agenda there that
says, hey, it's the, it's the our better interest that
everybody believed this. You know, that we will be able
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to control it better if everybody believed this.
And you know, you could say withthe medical industry's always
had an agenda because there's money involved, big pharma,
whatever. And that's true.
The king 102 hundred years ago has an agenda.
But those are more obvious manipulations, you know, then
then what we're seeing now. What we're seeing now is cloaked
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in deception. And that's the bad part.
That's the reason why people have to wake up.
It's easier to wake up 100 yearsago because people thought they
went, oh, that's weird. I it doesn't make any sense.
You know, they're common sense. Told them no, it doesn't make
any sense. And so they actually, and this
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is something I think David Ike talks about a lot with the
manipulation, indoctrination of education.
It's like we're taught not to think, and so be it.
Todd, how can I follow your work?
Go to shrewviews.com www.shrew Like the little animal views all
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one word and if you're interested in the book, go to
Amazon and look for it. The view of the shrew clever or
book stop by Todd Hayon slash Todd Hayon.
It'll be there on the 30th on Monday.
I would love it. I would love to see anybody new
come to the I mean we have a community there that is that is
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the primary focus of shrew views.
My writing is kind of the thing that gathers people, but it's
the comments. I comment all the time.
I'm always engaged with people commenting and, and everybody is
everybody that's there is we're all of like mine, which is kind
of strange to think about. I mean, it's really weird that
so many people on this side of things all think the same.
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They all pretty much agree on atleast the major, the major
things. So it's nice and isolation is
one of the biggest problems thatwe're dealing with now is, is
this. And that's why what you do is is
so important and anything in thealternative news media is, is so
radically important because the the mainstream is captured.
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Of course, that's obvious. It's it's like it's not going to
give you anything that's consistently accurate.
So thank you for what what you're doing and what you've
always been doing. I mean, you're the man, so.
Thanks, Todd. And with that, Todd hey, and
thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thank you, guys. Take care.
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Thank you, Jeremy.
None. My name is Germ.
This is Germ warfare, the battleof ideas, Todd Hay.
And thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thank you for having me, Germ. It's it's been a while since you
and I talked, so I'm very excited about today.
I think over a year. Yeah, it's, you know, it's time
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when you get old time. Like a year is like 5 minutes,
that's what. It was I, I.
Yeah. You wouldn't know.
No, not yet. You got a little while to go.
Yeah. In fact, the ancient Egyptians
thought that time was relative. There wasn't.
There wasn't. You know, some things actually
took longer than other things. It was like that's how they
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perceive time, which is really the truth as far as empirical
experiences. It's like there are things that
take seem to take longer, but wehave the clock that tells us
it's the same. Yeah, but to hell with clocks.
Technology back. When you and I started chatting
a few years ago, it was I think in the height of the the COVID
event and. Yes, it's all.
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Quote unquote over now, but yeah, I'm guessing.
Part of it is, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean that part, the,
the, the, the whole psychological operation, you
know, that people were told about some sort of biological
event, that part. Right.
It's over, but but COVID, the word is, it's kind of like a,
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it's like a catch phrase now forsomething much bigger, isn't it?
I think so, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I know exactly what you're what you're saying there.
There's a danger, you know, it'sthe law before the storm.
There's this, there's this feeling that that it's not a
feeling because it's it's evidential, but it's it's gone
down below a certain level. You know, when it raised above
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this level, it was like everybody wearing masks,
everybody getting a shot and, you know, constant news about
the number of people that have died and whenever that
definitely has gone down below, below the noise level.
But everything that stands behind what happened is still
there and is and is still very dynamic and very strong.
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But the public doesn't see that.The public didn't even see it
when it was actually happening. They didn't see it for what it
was. They, they, you know, they just
took it point blank as to what, what the authority was telling
them it was. And obviously that's what we all
talk about. But I think it's dangerous to
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believe. And, you know, my sub stack
really focuses on don't don't forget about this.
This is still happening. And, you know, it's, it's taking
the form now of, of, you know, the CBDC's and the, the digital
IDs and even even that's kind oflowered a little bit with its
intensity of being pushed. But I think the primary thing we
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see it in now is the Middle Eastand the, the evil Trump who is
trying to destroy the world. They, they, they, they get, it's
a distraction because they, theydon't really see what is trying
to destroy the world. But anyway, that's.
You're you're Canadian, So what are your thoughts both?
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What are your thoughts on Canadabecoming a province of the US?
You know, I, I, I, I don't know,I think, I think in, I think in
theory or hypothetically, it already is.
And I think a lot of that is typical Trump blather and, and
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it has a purpose behind it. And the purpose behind it is
working. It's, it's creating a
nationalistic fervour in Canada.All of a sudden Canada is
independent and elbows up and all this junk that's going on
here. I mean, it's, it's actually
quite terrifying. And I think that was his
intention, Believe it or not, I,I don't think Trump's intention
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was to make Canada stronger, butto, to create this fervour, a
nationalistic fervour, which which essentially got Carney
voted in. And I think that I think that is
advantageous to Trump. I, I don't know why.
I mean, I, I can guess, you know, I think, I think other
people more well informed and, and studying all, all of this
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stuff would, would, would give abetter answer than I would as to
why. But, but you know, Trump says it
himself, he, he would rather have the Liberal Party in place.
And I think it's because he knows he can manipulate that
easier. And so, so that's what the whole
51st state thing, I think the intention, just like the Gaza
thing, you know, turning that into, into Trump Wonderland.
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It it's, you know, it's, it's weird And it there, there isn't,
there is an intention behind it,But I don't, I don't think it's
what people think. I don't think it's what is on
the surface, you know, if that answers your question, I don't
know. Canada's a weird place right
now. It kind of reinforces the whole
idea that it's just all theatre.It is all theatre, absolutely
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always has been. I think it's different theatre
now. I think it's, I mean, you know,
like with Trump getting pissed off the other day and dropping
the F word and all that. I mean, that's all theatre and,
and it always has been theatre. But I think it's been more
deceiving theatre. I think it's been more like,
like, you know, the goody 2 shoes president who never would
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curse and is not a bully and whatever to to the public, you
know, like Obama, good example of that Obama like presented
this charismatic really together, you know, loving,
caring person. And then he's bombing the shit
out of Syria and and whatever, you know, Yeah, and and now it's
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it's more surface and and the the tactics that are played are
are still theatre, but I think they're easy to figure out
actually, if if you think about them, you know, if if you're a
critical thinker, I think it's easier to look at what Trump is
doing, for example, and like, get it, you know, to go, OK,
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this is this is what he's doing.This is the theatre he's
presenting here now. I think it was harder before
when it's deceiving, when it's deceptive, it's it's harder to
see it because you got to dig a little deeper.
Trump is obvious. I, I think it's really obvious.
And the people that think he's literal hating, look at what
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he's doing now, you know, and you're like, oh, well, it's not
really what he's doing. It's what he's saying, but he's
not really doing it. You know, I don't know, I'm not
a big Trump fan. I, I, I, I mean, I, I'm watching
carefully. I'm not any fan.
I'm not. I've never been a fan of a
president and. But I think that's the right
position to to to hold. Yeah, it feels that way.
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Yeah. Yeah, just, I mean, it's a big
game. I don't know anything about it.
I I don't personally know how tomanage the world and what those
decisions that are made. There's a whole bunch of
different levels. You can look at it.
I mean, you can look at it at the at the, the consensus level,
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you know, there's a war going on.
Israel is being, is being threatened by the Muslim world
or whatever. And you know, they, they have
the right to, to blah, blah, blah.
You can look at it that, that, that level of which most people
do, or you can look at it at a deeper level that, that they're
all theatre, They're all manipulating one another for
different reasons and different goals.
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And it isn't the ones that we'retold it isn't about religious
freedom, for instance, it's it'snot about that.
And you watch the agenda and obviously you, you can see a
more truthful presentation of what it is about, you know, and
I don't even think it's about that.
I mean, you know, I, I once in awhile, like when I'm laying
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awake at night, I start thinkingabout things like the devil or
lizard man or anything. I mean, you know, you'd like go,
well, that makes that actually makes more sense.
You know, more questions are answered If if, if it's actually
Satan sitting somewhere on a throne with his horns and
saying, OK, then we're going to destroy the human race and this
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is how I'm going to do it. And or, or alien lizard people
or whatever. It it makes more sense.
It it like, you know, but then Iwake up and I go, I don't think
so. I'd love to talk to, to, yeah,
love to talk to you about this because I, I know you have, you
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have the same kind of open mind that I do.
It's like, well, maybe so, you know, maybe the Earth is flat,
maybe there are no viruses, you know, and what, whatever it's
it's like, OK, state your case. Let me let me hear it and think
about it. I mean, I know, I know we've
talked about that before. And I mean, you and I are
similar. Yeah.
To to be. Fair.
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If I fly in an aeroplane and I often do this and I look out the
window, the horizon does look completely flat, right, But but
then, but then the counter argument is, well, you're not
high enough. All right, fine, I get it, but
it doesn't flat. Or does David Icke have a point?
You know that everything is a simulation and and reptiles, I
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mean King Charles, look at look at him.
He does look a bit cold blooded.It does well, you know, if, if
you've ever entertained the, thethought, which, which is a, a
very viable presentation that consciousness creates material
reality and that, you know, the quantum physics that I mean, all
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these, all these like very, very, very well educated and
thoughtful people have come up with these like the multiple
universe concept, the infinite number of universe, the infinite
number of realities that consciousness actually forms.
I mean, if, if you've, if you'veentertained that at all, then
anything, anything's possible, you know, anything is because
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if, if our consciousness can create material reality, then
we're creating lizards and we'recreating a Flat Earth.
And I've always said this back at a time where everybody
believed that the earth was flat.
It was, you know, it's like if, if everyone believes it's flat,
then it is flat. And if the majority of people
believe it's round, to those people it is round, like like
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literally manifested round. The people that believe that
it's flat, they can prove it is because it is in that multiple
universe, in that reality. So if if you entertain this
thought at all, I mean anything goes.
That's a very interesting way oflooking at things, Todd, because
what what it implies is that storytelling narratives actually
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matter more than facts. Because absolutely.
The history of the history of humanity is storytelling, yeah.
Everything's storytelling human,human beings operate completely
in a, in a storytelling and, andan individual storytelling.
You know, you look at animals, they also have stories, but
they're more instinctive. They're more historical stories.
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You know, they're more about instincts, genetics, whatever.
They have their own personal story.
Of course, if you have dogs at all and you have, or cats or
anything, well, cats, I don't know, but dogs, if you have
dogs, it's very, very clear theyhave different distinct
personalities. They, they make their own
personal stories, but they don'tlive by them the same way humans
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do. I mean, and their stories are
probably not as complex as, as the fabrication of the story we
make. So every, everything we do is
based on story. Some of it's consensual,
obviously, some of it is personal.
And if you work in psychotherapylike I do, it's it's amazing the
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personal stories people make that don't correspond with
material reality, whatever that is.
So. I do take a slight exception
though to what you're saying because it does sound a bit woo
woo postmodern and and I'm not abig fan of postmodernism where
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reality is relative. I mean, surely there is an
object of reality? Well, you can believe that
that's a subjective view. Well, not, no, I, I wouldn't say
it like, I mean, you, you get twisted up in a paradox with,
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with this kind of thinking, because I could say that I could
say, oh, well, that's your subjective thought about
reality. So it may not be true, but, but
I, I don't think it really worksthat way.
I, I think there is an objectivematerial reality, but I think
it's flexible, which what is that objective then?
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No, I, and you know, this is, this is where you really get
into the twist with it. And I can't even talk about this
because I, I don't grok it myself.
I mean, it's, it's too weird. Is, is that the reality, the
material reality that my consciousness makes is different
than the one yours makes, But they, they overlap.
OK. It doesn't mean it's
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solipsistic. And this, this is where you run
into the problem. It's, it's not saying that I am
the only conscious being on Earth and I create everything,
which is a solipsistic idea, butit's saying that everybody has
and that's why I can't explain it.
Everybody has access to creatingthe material reality, but
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they're, they're all separate. But they're not, they're all,
they're all one. It's, it's impossible to explain
this. Maybe somebody out there
listening can explain it, or maybe there's a book that
explains it. I can't explain it.
I've always tried to. The closest I get is the one
electron theory. I, I don't know, I think we may,
we've talked about this once. We've talked about so many
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strange things, but the one electron theory says that
there's only one material particle and it's the size of an
electron, which which isn't really a material particle, but
anyway, let's us call it that, that it's one material particle
that sends in quantum theory. That particle can be anywhere
and everywhere at the same time.That that the to get from here
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to here takes no time. It's like 0 time.
So therefore it can from a material perspective, not from a
spiritual one, but from a material perspective, That
particle can paint the entire universe, the material part of
the universe, all at once. Because there's no time.
There's a quantum leap and, and therefore that one particle
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creates everything that you and I are looking at.
You, me, everybody else, everything it, one particle
creates it. So that's unity.
That's the unity concept of materiality.
Therefore, that particle can be controlled by consciousness,
which is moving out of the material realm and, and can
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paint anything the consciousnesswants it to paint.
Now, again, where you run into trouble is like, what am I
painting? Is it the same as what you're
painting? Is it, you know, obviously we're
sharing something, you know, yousee me, I see you, I see your
microphone, you know, you see mine.
And it's like, so there is a, anobjective reality to the two of
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us and everybody else that we share something with.
We can see, you know, and I mean, even Carl Jung made a
comment like, well, I think it was, no, it wasn't Carl Jung.
It was Einstein made. I think it was Einstein made
some comment that if you, if youdon't look at the moon, it's not
there. You know, it's, it's like
whatever, whatever we're seeing is painting in front of us and
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anything we don't see doesn't actually exist.
Like my wife now is is at work and it's like she really isn't
there because I don't see her. I don't paint her there anyway.
But I mean, why are we talking about this?
There is, there is, there is a degree of truth in what you're
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saying. If I think back to the COVID
era, millions and millions and millions of people were told
that there was a deadly contagion that could kill them
at at any given moment and they would need to have a vaccine.
And they believed it and they still do.
And and it was very real. And you've had these
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conversations with people. Yes, but I know so and so X who
died from COVID. How dare you say that there was
no pandemic. It was their reality.
My reality is that there was no pandemic.
Right. And you know where you're
getting you're, you're talking which which everybody you know
was going to do for the most part.
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You're talking at a certain level of this, of this concept
of creating reality. And this is the, the common
concept of it, which is where weactually can see effect by mass
belief in something. It's, it's different than this
higher level of creating your own reality because up there
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there's really nothing you can say.
I mean, then you can say, well, you and I created the reality
that the, that, that people believed in the vaccine that we
created that our consciousness created that and created all the
people, the higher authority telling everybody to get the
vaccine. We created that.
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And, and it's like, well, that'swhen you get well, what is that?
I mean, that's, that's at this weird level.
We can't really talk about stuffat that level.
It's, it's too weird. The level you're talking about
is the, is the acceptable level that if a whole bunch of people
believe something, then they aregoing to take a certain action.
The all the Germans in 1932 thatbelieved in, in Hitler, you
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know, took a certain action. All the Chinese during the
Cultural Revolution, they took acertain action.
And all the people that believe in the, in the vaccine takes a
certain action. So it's like, how do you create
that? And you, you create that.
I, I don't think that happens. And I think you and I are on the
same page with this. I don't think that happens
organically. I, I think that has to be
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instigated by an agenda, which is what the movie, the agenda
goes into there. There has to be a, a decision
somewhere here. And, and maybe maybe it isn't as
as clear as we would like to think it is.
Maybe it isn't like, well, let'sget rid of, you know, 10 billion
people and give them this poisonvaccine to kill them all.
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It may not be that that literal it may be, but it may not be.
It may be more of of like, let'screate this thing in order to
get control over everybody so wecan kind of funnel them all into
this, you know, smart city, CBDC, digital ID, what whatever
the hell it is, so we can move them into that more easily
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because we've got them kind of captured into this fear.
And and whatnot. So yeah.
And now why is it that those people fall for it and we don't.
I think that's the big mystery. I don't I don't get that.
What why am I special That and and it's it's a huge dichotomy.
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I mean, this isn't this isn't just like, well, yeah, I kind of
believe this and you believe that whatever.
I mean, this is radical. What, what we know and can see
clearly in front of us that these other people can't see.
I mean, it's like they're blind.Literally.
They can't see it. And if it's put right in front
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of them, they just reject it. It's like la, la, la, la, la.
No, I don't want to see that. That is weird.
I find that very, very strange. Matthias Desmet who wrote the
book on totalitarianism, but many others have written similar
stuff. He, he said that around about
1/3 of people that any at any given stage will be alert or
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awake, quote unquote, which suggests that there will never
really be a critical mass that'sbigger than that.
I mean, if I think about my own circles, those who believed in
the COVID scam, those who believed in the vaccine, it's
always around about a third, more or less.
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I mean, I beg your pardon, Thosewho didn't believe in it, was it
right about a third? Sorry, I meant to say that.
Right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
That was implied. I figured it out.
You know, it's there. There is, you know, from my my
thinking and my research there, there is definitely validity in
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in an idea of a psychological psychosis, of mass psychosis.
I don't think Desmond used that term.
I think he he used something else.
He. Really dislikes that term.
Dislikes that term, yeah. It was Rob Malone who It was Rob
Malone who went into to Rogan and unfortunately butchered what
Matthias Desmond right about. What does Desmond use?
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Mass something. What is nation fat?
Right, exactly. And then then again, you can
also look at it from a psychoticperspective.
It's more problematic because that's that's a that's a psychic
pathology that to see on a mass scale is, is a problem.
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But we've seen it in history, you know, mentioned the Germans
and mentioned, you know, Chinese, the Cultural Revolution
and there's many others, obviously is some bigger, some
smaller throughout history whereit appears as if people become
psychotic. Technically they probably aren't
OK from a psychological perspective, but it is a mass
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formation. And you know, Desmond's a lot
clearer with his, he's a, he's abrilliant psychologist.
So he, he obviously can word this much better than I can.
But but there's more to it now because those, those examples
are radical cultural influences.And what we're seeing now isn't
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as radical as, say, National Socialism in Germany or, or the
Cultural Revolution. They're not as radical.
They, they are there. I think they, they do have an
upper feed. They're coming down from, from
this, you know, WEFUN whatever like the agenda talks about, but
to have the effect that it has, it's it's not.
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And you know, we, we can talk about, well, that's because of
the COVID thing. And, and that was radical, you
know, the fear that was put into, but, but it already, it
already happened before that it,it was like people were ready
for that, you know, to, to be radicalised by fear and, and
whatever they were open to it and, and they immediately took
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it and accepted it. There was no question anywhere.
There wasn't people going, Oh, well, you know, this, the, I
don't really believe this yet. You know, you, you've got to
give me more information then. Nobody cared about any of that.
It was like instant, you know, so.
This term, radicalization or radical, is a term I've thought
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about a lot. And yeah, I don't really know
what it means, Todd. It seems to be relative.
It's always the other person who's radicalised.
There's never you. Well, there's, there's a lot of
words like that, like conspiracyand and what whatever.
You know, you're absolutely right.
I don't even know what the definition of radical is.
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I, I think what makes us not radical and them radical is when
it deviates from, I know this isgoing to be hard to say without,
without, uh, controversy, but when it deviates from, umm,
objective reality, you know, truth, you know, I boil down a
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lot of this stuff because, because, because a lot of times
I sit around and go, Gee, am I the crazy one here?
Am I the one that's paranoid? Am I the one that's, you know,
and I, and I boil it down to really simplistic things like
there is, there's no way that I can, I can go on the other side
of the concept that an 8 year old should be advocated to have
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surgery or take medication because they're not the sex they
were born with. I mean something as simple as
that. But that's quite radical.
Which is radical? Which one to to believe that to
have to have children? To have your view in which you
are opposed to it because the normalisation of it is what's
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going on and so your push back is what makes you radical.
Right to to that group of people, it's radical, yeah, but
it just like what you're saying that the term oscillates back
and forth depending on who's saying it.
But. And you could say that about
conspiracy or you could say thatabout a lot of things.
It's or truth even, you know, facts are rat are, you know,
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dependent on who is defining them.
But there's a, there's a, an untruth in that.
You know, now how people use theword radical, I, I don't know.
I mean, obviously it's, it's probably deviating from the
actual definition of it in the dictionary.
But yes, you know, you were a radical if you were in Nazi
Germany and, and was Jewish or believed or, or was not Jewish
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but believed that the Nazi idea of exterminating or not, the
people didn't necessarily know that's what was happening.
But you know the the negative perception of Jews.
If you didn't believe in that, you were radical.
Yeah, but also also sorry, but similarly, the negative
perception of Nazi Germans, because we have to, we have to
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establish what what was real at the time and, and, and, and it's
not just that it's any form of history.
Look at South Africa, for example, right, because we had
apartheid. So therefore the black
population was oppressed for a few decades by a white minority.
That creates the perception thatI, as a white South African,
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hate blacks. Well, you're guilty by
association. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's the same thing going
back to the Trump thing. Anybody that doesn't think Trump
is, is somebody to hate is, is somehow sick, you know, hates,
hates blacks and and homosexualsand whatever because the
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perception is, is that Trump hates those people too, which
which I don't think is true. But you know, we're getting,
we're getting into like objective truth.
It's like, what is that? And I think it boils down as you
reduce it and reduce it and reduce it, it does boil down to
two kind of basic values of lifeand, and decency and whatever.
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And there are of course people that even argue with that.
I mean, you know, the, the Nietzsche concept of, of
creating your own morality. You know, what is morality?
I mean, what's good for the for the snake is not good for the
mouse. You know it's, but it's like.
That's why I sorry for interjecting, but that's why I
tend to make the argument that Idon't know if you agree with me,
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but I'll make the argument that it's very good.
It's very healthy to have a belief in something outside of
of the material. I I absolutely agree.
In fact, I think that's one of the primary reasons why we're in
the mess we're in is because theagenda is made great effort over
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many years in the West at least,to remove any kind of spiritual
faith or or you know, religion. But that that removal of faith
gets replaced with the belief inthe state, for example, or
exactly in the in the in the democratic authorities.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, Young said this years
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ago. He said that that God is an, is
an archetype that that we will relate to.
And if we remove God, then you're going to relate to some
other power or authority, whatever it might be.
That probably isn't a good idea.At least God is like, you know,
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it's like you can't really nail it down.
Like God isn't an authority in the in the sense.
And that's a lot of reason I hear all the time that people
don't believe in God is because they say, wow, it's just another
authority. And it's like, well, do you, do
you believe in sticking your finger in a light socket?
And they go, no. And then I go, well, so you
think electricity is an authority over you, You, you
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think it's, it's a boss, it's telling you what to do.
And they go, no. And I go, well, then why don't
you stick your finger in the light socket?
It's like, you know, do you think that electricity has power
over you? Well, yeah.
OK. I mean, it's the same same kind
of thing. I mean, of course it's
different. But yeah, you know, the, the
rules of God are, are just common sense rules.
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It's like, if you want to have ashitty life, then go do this,
this, this, you know, and, and you will.
It's like God isn't going to punish you, you're just going to
have a shitty life. Yeah, but I mean, you were
touching on something that I've been thinking about also.
So, you know, I've, I've had David Ike on my show a few times
and I like David and I like someof his, I like some of his views
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too. But I really, really take issue
with, with his sort of anti religious position because,
because it, it requires A remarkable amount of hubris to
think that you, you are powerfulenough to, to be in full
control. And and that's one of the things
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that I think is, is beautiful about belief, faith is that it
does, it does force a sense of humility on you.
Absolutely, yeah. And I'm not that familiar with
David Icke's work to even know that about him.
I wasn't aware of that. Well, he says that religion is a
is a control mechanism. Well, religion is, I mean
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religion, you know, we're and this is something people always
conflate religion and, and belief or faith or, you know,
spirituality, because that's, that's a catch phrase.
It's not the same. Religion is an organisation
organised by people in order to,at its core, at its authentic
core, to propagate or to preach or to, you know, whatever a
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particular idea about what God is or what Jesus is or whatever
it might be. That's open to problems and
obviously there's been a lot of them over time.
It's open to problems and interpretation.
It's open to problems of corruption, it's open to
problems of, of seizing power and whatever it might be.
Religion isn't the issue, although I think religion is
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wonderful as a framework for people that believe that can go
to church and can, you know, do all the ritual structures of the
religion. But it is a problem.
Organised religion does have itsproblems in my, in my view, if
you find the right place or the right one or the right group of
(32:51):
people, whatever, it may not have as much problem.
It's more of a historical problem to me than it is an
active one. But what you said earlier about
the humility, it's, it's like the whole concept of, of
transhumanism, which is kind of one of the leaders in this whole
world. Weirdness that's going on is
(33:13):
this idea that we can transcend God's creation, his God's
ability to create and to to makethe complexity of the world
that, that, that energy, whatever you want to call it,
call it God, call it whatever you want.
That we can do that ourselves. And we're so far away from
(33:34):
anything just because we can build a robot, you know, it's
like or AI or whatever. Look what we're doing.
We're as good as God, you know, or the medicine thing or
whatever is nonsense. And there's such a great, I
don't know how familiar you are with the book of Job.
There's such AI mean the the kind of the culmination of that,
you know, joke gets all pissed off and like saying, why are you
(33:55):
doing this to me? You've destroyed my life.
You've done this, you've done that.
And he has this, this, this faceoff with God and God guy.
And you know, God, you know, I'mparaphrasing obviously, but God
basically says, you know why? You know, you're, you're like
one person and and you're like making this big deal out of this
shit. It's it's of course God didn't
(34:15):
say that, but but it's like, look at all that I've done.
Look at look at what I've created.
How dare you even question this.This doesn't have anything to do
with you as an individual person.
Look at the, look at the, I mean, he goes through, look at
the forest, look at the animals,look at the rivers.
Look at look at this, look at all of this brilliant creation
that I, that I have created. And you're going to focus on
(34:38):
this. You know, you're going to get
upset with me because I, I killed your family or whatever,
you know it. And it's, of course, it's all
metaphorical. It's, it's not literal.
Oh, God's a bad thing. You know, he hurt this poor man
that really believed in him or whatnot.
It's, it's a, it's a metaphor. It's an analogy of, of what it
is We focus on that. We judge God by, you know, we
(35:03):
judge God by well, if there were, if there was a God, we
wouldn't have like childhood leukaemia and we wouldn't have
cancer and we wouldn't have God,wouldn't, you know, wouldn't do
that. He's, he's hateful and he's this
and he's that. And it's like, you know, the,
the whole purpose of of being a being a material being is that
we die and that we live for a short period of time and then we
(35:25):
die. And it's, it's like that's the
material thing. It's that, that's not the
importance of it. And most of what God does that
people say is shitty, we bring on ourselves.
You know, we have, we have free will and we create most of the
problem that we complain that God has created for us.
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Do you think we have free will? I thought about that also.
I'm not sure I. Know that's a big topic.
I shouldn't be talking about anyof this, I'm just an idiot.
You, you, you know, you're throwing out trigger words.
Yeah. I know I'm thinking about all
your listeners that are going what is?
Who does this guy think he is? It's what Noam Chomsky said.
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You, you have the parameters of acceptable discussion or
discourse or I guess by extension movement.
And then you're encouraged to toaggressively move and have
discourse within those boundaries so that you think
you're free, but you can't go beyond those boundaries.
With with what you. Can, but, but with there's a
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great deal of resistance. Of what there is.
A border of a country is a good thing, right?
It's it's a good thing. It creates, it creates
neighbours. But I'm still saying that by
virtue of the fact that somebody's born in North Korea,
how free are they really? Well, within within that context
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you're 100% correct. But the the the metaphysical
perspective is more that we can,we can manipulate matter because
matter is an illusion that matter is created.
And the only reason why we abideby it is because we're told the
story that we have to or that itwould be almost impossible not
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to. Like your story about
travelling. It's like we believe that that
is a limitation because it's been put in place and we believe
it. We believe it because we see
evidence of it clearly over and over and over again.
But we believe it and therefore we don't attempt to change
something that we believe. And according again, I, I think
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there's a certain point where wedon't die on that hill.
You know, it's like there's no point in you walking across the
border or, or doing whatever. Like Jesus would walk on the
water. I mean, that's the whole Jesus
on the water thing. Who is it?
See, I don't know the Bible wellenough, but is it Peter or Paul
or somebody that that they're onthe boats or something?
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And Jesus says, come over here and he says I can't, I can't
walk on the water. And Jesus says ye of little
faith, something to that regard.And it's like, what do you
expect? I have to have faith that I can
walk on the water. And it's like, well, yeah, you
do. If you really believe, if you
really believe, you can do anything.
If you really believe that that you have free will, then you do
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you. You don't follow the rules.
You don't stop because there's water, you know, and there's a
lot of evidence that if you stepon water, you'll, you'll sink
through it. So it's like, it's a, it's a
story that we have reason to believe.
Now there's little ones that we can overcome.
You know, I have a lot of clients that have no self
confidence. They, they won't go out for a
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job, they won't go date a woman.They, they won't ask a girl on a
date because they're terrified. They're told the story that, you
know, blah, blah, blah. Those, those are easier ones
say, well, you know, just go do it.
It's like there isn't, there isn't a policeman there that's
going to like crack him in the head if he goes and asks a girl
out on a date. So there's not a lot of evidence
(39:09):
to say other than rejection. No, I don't want to go on a date
with you. You're ugly.
OK, that's rejection. But they face that over and over
and over again and eventually something will come through.
So those are easy ones obviouslyto they're not easy for a lot of
people, but but they're they're at least conceptually easy where
what you're saying is not, I mean, you know, to break that
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story is not easy. But have you tried, have you
just walked up to the gate and say I'm going to get on that
plane and go, have you tried? No, probably not.
I wouldn't either. OK, so but you go, well, maybe
something would happen if you truly believed you had to get to
Canada and and get on a plane, then maybe something would
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happen. Maybe the person at the gate
would drop dead from a heart attack or something, whatever, I
don't know. Something would happen if you
breakthrough that story, that belief.
Now this is hypothetical. This is this is a more of a
higher up transcendent spiritualbelief.
Do do you do it is done unto youas you believe.
You know, it's the story of walking on the water is the
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metaphor. I don't think we need to do
that. In in every regard in our life.
So we don't really have to, you know, exercise our free will.
And yeah, I think from a pragmatic point of view, you can
definitely say what you said. We don't really have free will
because we can't really do anything we want.
Can the guy that was born with no legs, can he go and win the
(40:36):
Olympics as a sprinter? You know, no, he doesn't have
free will even if he wanted to do that.
And also, when does it start? I mean, for example, you know,
we have a little child and he doesn't start crying because he
chooses to eat, cries because he's hungry or because there's
something wrong. He doesn't understand, Will.
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It's just an instinctive response.
Or if somebody comes up behind you and they stab you in the
back, you instinctively respond.You don't act on free will.
Yeah, you, you have to go back to, to what we were originally
(41:23):
talking about with creating yourown reality.
If I'm sitting in a room and somebody tells me stories or if
I watch TV shows or reads books about or listen to what you just
said about people coming up to you and stabbing you in the back
and there's nothing, there's no free will in what you do there,
then that's the story. And that's, that's what I'll
(41:45):
believe and that's how I'll see it.
That's how I'll see it for you. That's how I'll see it for
everybody around me because I'm creating that reality through my
own consciousness. And this, this is that that
really weird metaphysical idea I'm talking about.
So the story is, is what you just said.
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You can't get on a plane if you're in North Korea.
You can't do this. You can't do that if if you know
your kids crying, your kid wants, you know, he's not
exercising very well and neitherare you because you don't want
him to be crying and whatnot. But that goes into this idea
that we're creating our own reality.
If we created reality where where nobody stabbed anybody,
(42:26):
where all borders were free and kids got everything that they
wanted, then that would be the reality we would be living in.
And I'm not quite sure if that'sgood.
I think it's a terrible. Idea.
Yeah, I mean, there, there, there's reason for restriction.
There's reason for the story that we can't do anything we
(42:47):
want. Well, I mean hierarchy.
Sorry, but hierarchy creates order.
Yeah. What do you mean?
Like what? What does that with what we're
talking about? High Hierarchy creates order.
Yeah, and order, Yeah, creates boundaries and parameters.
(43:08):
For physical beings, yeah, yeah,I, I mean, this is what I think
philosophically we're getting into here is this is this idea
of, of why can I, can I curse onyour show?
Can I use the S word, F word? Why the fuck does it matter if
if you know, we're we are material beings that are
(43:30):
radically limited just by our materiality.
Unless you think you can recreate your materiality, that
you can make yourself a snake ora weasel or whatever in order to
to better deal with your environment.
You can shape shift. There are people that believe
you can. Yeah, right.
Exactly. That's that's a good example.
(43:51):
But we don't do those things because our higher self is
essentially saying no, no, no, you're, you're, you're supposed
to as a physical being. The whole point of being
physical and not being ethereal,not being a spirit, which which
is where we return and what our true essence is, is to go
through the challenge of limitation.
(44:12):
You know, that's, that's the purpose that we're limited.
I mean, look at some of these people that are born with no
limbs or whatever, some of the stories you hear about these
people being able to grasp, graba hold of life and make these
incredible experiences in life with these radical, radical,
radical limitations, You know, So I, I agree with you with
(44:36):
that. It's like there is there's no
point in, in taking your, your ability to, to manipulate matter
and get on a plane and go to Canada using that, using that
ability. There's there's no purpose in
it. If if you had to get to Canada
because you're, you know, you had a child or whatever that was
(44:58):
dying there and you being there would save them, you probably
would figure out a way to get there, you know, that would not
limit you. But there's really no reason to
at this point. Does that make any sense?
Huh. In all fairness, there's there's
no reason for anybody to go to Canada.
No, there isn't. Not now.
There isn't actually. You know, it could be a lot
(45:21):
worse. This isn't North Korea or any
number of places that would be would be a lot worse to be in.
But Australia, you know. Yeah.
A friend of mine said that beingin Canada is like being on the
first boat that hit the beach inNormandy.
It's like they're going to be the first one that gets mowed
down, you know, with all that's going on.
(45:44):
And that's probably true. So.
Yeah. We've been chatting very
philosophically, but I mean, that's your shtick.
That's, that's what you do shrew, shrew views is, is a, is
like a, it's like a sort of philosophical, psychological
take on on reality in the world around us.
(46:06):
And you've got a book out, haven't you?
Yes. Sir, it's coming out on Monday
where you can get it, if you cansee that that's the book, The
View of the Shrew. We're all shrews, all of us on
this side of the fence. I, I named us that and that's my
sub stack at shrewviews.com. And we do, you know, I, I
(46:29):
appreciate you calling it philosophical.
I don't consider myself a philosopher at all.
I but I think it's more philosophy and psychology from a
layman's perspective, really, even though I'm a professional
psychologist or psychotherapist,it's still, it's still my take
as a, as a layman, as a person on what's going on.
(46:53):
And the interesting thing is that when I first started
writing, I thought, why would anybody be interested in, in
what I'm having to say? And the number one comment I get
from the people that read my work is I was just thinking the
same thing this morning. And thank you so much for
putting it into the words you put it into because it makes so
much sense and it resonates with, with what I'm thinking.
(47:15):
And that's it. That's, that's what drives me to
write because every time I write, I go, Gee, I wonder who
out there is thinking this too? And so it's it's been very, very
rewarding in that sense. But I think it matters also, you
know, something that I've learned from the COVID era is
the profound unreliability and inconsistency of materialism.
(47:41):
Well, that's interesting becausethat's, that's my experience as
well. And I think it's a lot.
It's like all of a sudden you go, what about that, you know,
is, is that, is that true? I've always thought it was.
And then you start to look into it and you start going, you
know, it probably wasn't. And that's that's a strange
(48:01):
awakening because it's not, it'snot based on just, oh, that's
contrary. Oh, this is contrary to what
everybody thinks. So it must, it must not be true.
It's based on evidence. You look into it and you start
like going, I never thought of that.
That's absolutely doesn't make sense.
How, how did they do blah, blah,blah.
(48:22):
And then you go, because you take everything for granted.
It's, it's like, oh, sure, you know, it happened.
So they must have figured it out.
And, and then when you, when yougo, well, maybe it didn't happen
and you start looking and you realise they didn't figure it
out. And like the moon landing is a
good one. You know, my, my new theory with
(48:42):
the moon landing is that they, they, and this isn't my theory.
This is just an idea that they did actually land on the moon,
but they didn't have the technology to let everybody know
that to like have like the cameras and all that.
And they go, but we've got to let everybody know we're there.
So let's make that part up. Let's let, let's do a film of
(49:04):
them walking around on the moon and let's make all that crap up
so that we can prove or we can pretend like we're proving that
people were actually there and it all backfired on them that
it's like, whoa, no, this is allfake.
And well, we actually did land. But I.
Mean it's hard. We all know that the Earth is
flat and the moon is just plasma.
That's right. Exactly.
(49:24):
Yeah, it's it's fake. We don't know what's on the
other side of it. So who who knows what's over
there? By the way, have you seen that
movie? I think it's an Apple movie.
It's called Fly Me to the Moon. Moon came out a year ago with
Woody Harrelson and Scarlett Jansen.
And I forget now as a Channing Tatum.
I think it's very good. And and the reason why I say
(49:48):
that is, is that it's the first movie in the mainstream
Hollywood sense with a list actors and a big budget that
actually entertains the idea that the moon landing was a
hoax. Really.
Yes. Is does it do it comedicly?
I mean, it doesn't make it fun. Yes, it basically makes makes
(50:11):
their side look ridiculous and there's a count show, but the
point is, is that it nonethelessentertains the idea.
And it's it's a big portion of the movie.
And that guy, that guy who is the clown is Woody Harrelson.
And and it's such, it's such a good spin to the moon landing
(50:34):
Apollo mission story. I would strongly recommend
watching it. Oh, definitely.
I'm going to check that out. That's very cool, because
remember, that's very cool. As opposed to simply not even
entertaining the idea, Entertaining the idea is now
opening the gate. Right.
It it particularly if if the truth is the thing people are
(50:55):
starting to believe that they didn't believe before.
And you know what is truth? OK, well, in the material world,
there is an objective truth. Now, you can get into the
metaphysical crap we've been talking about and say, well,
there really is no truth, you know, because of everything's
manipulated. But in the material world, at
least a story that you and I, and I guess most every other
person, if they're real, adhere to, there is a truth.
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You know, there is a truth about911.
There is a truth about Kennedy and whatever.
And if that truth was covered upthrough government manipulation
or whatnot, and most people didn't didn't see the truth,
then what you're describing is that people are waking up to the
truth. They're not, they're not
changing their story. They're just that the story does
(51:42):
change, but they're not just changing their story.
Now there's a lot of people I believe that are coming to the
truth with no evidence. They're they're not actually
seeing the evidence. They're just following the
trend. Oh, Gee, did you know that, you
know, all kinds of people are believing now that Kennedy was
not assassinated the way that wealways thought.
(52:04):
But they don't actually go in and say, Gee, I wonder why
people are thinking that. And look at it.
They're just going along like they did before with the
consensus of, of what people aresaying or what movies are saying
or whatever, which is better than the other way.
Obviously, you know, you can propagandise the truth.
You can, you can cause people tobelieve the truth the same way
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you can cause them to believe a lie.
You know, it's the same method. You know, if you don't look at
evidence, you're following the pack.
And that's better than the otherway.
I mean, it's better than following the pack for a lie or
an untruth, so. You're touching on epistemology
(52:48):
though, the theory of knowledge.Why do you believe what you
believe? This is a conversation I had
recently with Peter Boghossian, who wrote a great book called
How to Have Impossible Conversations, and he argues
that facts don't really matter, what matters is why people
believe what they believe. Well, ultimately that's true.
I mean, obviously, ultimately that's true.
(53:10):
I still believe, and maybe you do too, even though I'm talking
about this weird metaphysical stuff.
I, I still do believe there's anobjective reality.
And I knew you asked that question around at the
beginning. I wish you washed around it.
But I, you know, I, I don't think we can really function
through life, at least easily, as easy as as possible without
(53:31):
believing that. I mean, I, I have to believe if
I walked out in the street or ifI walked out onto the water, I
would sink. You know, I'm, I am of little
faith according to Jesus. So I, I do believe there's an
objective reality. Now coming to that is what
you're saying. It's like, if I don't believe it
(53:51):
is that as powerful? Like if I, if I don't believe in
the assassination, say as, as actually really happened, that
is more powerful for me that I believe something that isn't
true is. And I think that's what you're
what you're coming to with that,right?
That, yeah, in my personal life,and I deal with this every day.
(54:12):
I mean, the the stuff that I deal with with clients is, is a
departure from objective reality.
It's it's, it's an insistent that subjective reality is the
truth. And that sometimes is true, but
often it's not. I'll give you a good example.
Just one final example, because I'm just checking the time
(54:36):
contagion is one that I have focused a lot on since about
halfway through the COVID era. You know, can you give me
something and make me sick? And it's one reason why those
people get sick then when they're around somebody else
who's sick, they, they, they self prove their belief because
of a, of a more, you know, placebo like effect or nocebo
(55:02):
effect that, that if they believe they're going to get
sick, if they're around somebodywho has a cold, then they're
more likely to get a cold. I'm in the same place with you
with that. And I haven't, I haven't done
enough research. There's a common sense element
to me about pathogens and about the transference of bacteria and
parasites and various things like that, that just fit the
(55:25):
world view of nature. You know, it just makes more
sense to me that you can spread a disease.
And, and I, I think that I thinkwhat's good it's going to come
down to is that it's partially true and it's partially false.
And I think that science, quote unquote, whatever the medical
industry, whatever has run with it for monetized reasons, run
(55:49):
with this pathogen spreading pathogen thing, you know, blah,
blah, blah. So I don't think it's, it's
quite as true as they want everybody to think it is.
And I'm very much on the fence with the virus thing.
I'm very close to believing thatthat the virus idea is, is not
accurate. But you know, the whole bubonic
(56:09):
plague with fleas, and I mean, did, did fleas actually have a
pathogen in them that they bit people from being on rats and
whatever. It just makes sense.
Now there are people that argue that that say the whole bubonic
plague thing was a hoax and was bullshit and why not so.
What you're saying is a good thing because what you're saying
actually is what science is about.
(56:30):
It's about questioning all the time and not just grammatically
accepting. The difference is, is that we're
being, well, maybe it's not thatbig of a difference, but we're
being driven by an agenda there.There is an agenda there that
says, hey, it's the, it's the our better interest that
everybody believed this. You know, that we will be able
(56:51):
to control it better if everybody believed this.
And you know, you could say withthe medical industry's always
had an agenda because there's money involved, big pharma,
whatever. And that's true.
The king 102 hundred years ago has an agenda.
But those are more obvious manipulations, you know, then
then what we're seeing now. What we're seeing now is cloaked
(57:12):
in deception. And that's the bad part.
That's the reason why people have to wake up.
It's easier to wake up 100 yearsago because people thought they
went, oh, that's weird. I it doesn't make any sense.
You know, they're common sense. Told them no, it doesn't make
any sense. And so they actually, and this
(57:32):
is something I think David Ike talks about a lot with the
manipulation, indoctrination of education.
It's like we're taught not to think, and so be it.
Todd, how can I follow your work?
Go to shrewviews.com www.shrew Like the little animal views all
(57:53):
one word and if you're interested in the book, go to
Amazon and look for it. The view of the shrew clever or
book stop by Todd Hayon slash Todd Hayon.
It'll be there on the 30th on Monday.
I would love it. I would love to see anybody new
come to the I mean we have a community there that is that is
(58:16):
the primary focus of shrew views.
My writing is kind of the thing that gathers people, but it's
the comments. I comment all the time.
I'm always engaged with people commenting and, and everybody is
everybody that's there is we're all of like mine, which is kind
of strange to think about. I mean, it's really weird that
so many people on this side of things all think the same.
(58:39):
They all pretty much agree on atleast the major, the major
things. So it's nice and isolation is
one of the biggest problems thatwe're dealing with now is, is
this. And that's why what you do is is
so important and anything in thealternative news media is, is so
radically important because the the mainstream is captured.
(59:00):
Of course, that's obvious. It's it's like it's not going to
give you anything that's consistently accurate.
So thank you for what what you're doing and what you've
always been doing. I mean, you're the man, so.
Thanks, Todd. And with that, Todd hey, and
thank you for joining me in the trenches.
Thank you, guys. Take care.
(59:20):
Thank you, Jeremy.
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