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July 3, 2025 • 66 mins

Jerm and James Fetzer, a retired professor who has extensively researched controversial historical events, delve into the assassination of JFK, exploring its historical significance, the evidence surrounding the event, and the various conspiracy theories that have emerged over the years. James discusses the role of Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin, and the complicity of the Secret Service in the assassination plot. He highlights the key players involved in the conspiracy and reflects on the moral lessons that can be drawn from this pivotal moment in American history.

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None. James Fitzer, thank you for
joining me in the trenches. My.

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Great pleasure Jeremy, love yourshows.
With regards James to JFK, it happened so long ago, why does
it matter? What was a pivotal turning point
in American history? Every president thereafter, and
we had a series, would not have occupied that office but for his
death. We had Lyndon Johnson, who was

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the plot master behind the assassination, to accede to the
presidency. We had Richard Nixon who'd
actually been a participant in the ratification.
Meeting at the home of Clinton Murchison Senior the night
before. We had Gerald Ford, who was J
Edgar's man on the Warren Commission, keeping them

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informed of exactly how developments were going.
Jimmy Carter's kind of a blip. We had George Herbert Walker
Bush sending a message to RonaldReagan to let George do it.
With the attempted assassinationand thereafter, American history
would have been substantially different but for the death of

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JFK. It's such a big topic, I don't
even know where to start. So, James, you drive it.
Well, the day of the assassination, Jeremy, the
secret servants in the NBA conclude there have been three
shots fired from above and behind.
One, it hit JFK in the back about 5 1/2 inches below the
collar, just to the right of thespinal column.

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The second, it hit John Connellyin the back.
And the third, it hit JFK in theback of the head, killing him.
They were accurate regarding those three shots.
However, none of them were firedby the alleged assassin, Lee
Oswald. In fact, that's remarkable how
easy it is to disprove the Warren Commission report built

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on the three shot scenario. Here's acting Press Secretary
Malcolm Kildoff explained the president was dead.
It was a simple matter of a bullet right through the head
while pointing to his right forehead.
Obviously not a shot fired from above and behind.

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Indeed, the very afternoon of the assassination, it was
massive live coverage by the networks, including some famous
newsmen of their time. For example, on the left here
you see Chip Huntley. Who are reporting two different
wounds. The one to the right tempo,

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which was attributed to Admiral George Berkeley, the president's
personal physician. A second, A small.
Clean puncture wound to the throat, which Malcolm Perry, MD
during a press conference following Malcolm Kildef's
announcement of the president death had identified 3 times as

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a wound of. Entry that the bullet was coming
at him, so that in the. Evening, when the story started
to trickle in that the Secret Service and the FBI had
identified the shots from above and behind Frank McGee, who has
nobody's. Fool said This is incongruous.

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How can the man have been shot from in front, from behind, and
indeed. When we.
Analyze the source and the trajectories.
It turns out we already have here four shots to JFK.
The shot to the back, which was actually fired from the top of
the county records building. The shot to the back of the head

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that would be fired from the Dowtechs.
The shot to the throat that was fired from inside the Trimble
underpass and the shot to the right forehead fired from the
intersection of the Trimble underpass and the picket fence
to which. We shall return.
Indeed, a new book has now nailed a third shot to the head,

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fired from the side. David W Mantic, MDPHD, who's the
world's leading expert on the medical evidence, has
identified, based upon the most meticulous, objective scientific
research, that Jack was actuallyhit three different times in the

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head, in the back of the head, after the limousine had been
brought to a halt. Most Americans have no idea that
William Grier, the driver, pulled the limousine to the left
into a halt after Jack had been hit twice, once in the back.

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That shot fired from the top of the county records building and
the shot to the throat fired from inside the Trimble
underpass. The drip because he was still
alive, the driver bought the limousine to the left and to a
halt. And he was hit three times in
the back of the head by that shot from the Dow tax.

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And then Jackie, he slumped forward.
Jackie eased him back up, was looking him right in the face
when he was hit. That shot with the right temple
and near simultaneously a shot from the side of the head that
blew his brains out with such force that Officer Bobby Hargis
riding to the rear. There you can see him in the

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photograph in the background, hit so hard with the debris he
initially thought he himself hadbeen shot.
Meanwhile, they went out of the way to frame the Patsy Lee,
Harvey Oswalt. Lee was actually in the doorway
of the Book Depository when the JFK motorcade passed by.

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They even made him remove his overshirt before doing mugshot
because of his semblance to the figure in the famous photograph.
The most important photograph taken during the assassination
by AP photographer James Idolsonmade it rather conspicuous.
It was the same person he had told Will Fritz, the homicide

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detective investigating the case.
He'd been out front with Bill Shelley, one of his supervisors
in the Book Depository, which was not only correct, but
everything Lee told Fritz has turned out to be true.
So here's this most famous photograph, the shot that JFK's
throat actually passed through the windshield.

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And if you look right here, whereas left ear would be
visible if his left ear were visible, you can see a small
wide spiral nebula with a dark hole in the center.
Which turns out to be the effectof firing of high velocity
weapon through a windshield. Which also interestingly makes
the sound of a firecracker as itpasses through because many of

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the witnesses said what they took to be the first shot
actually sounded like a firecracker.
Here you have the figure in the doorway turns out to be Lee
Oswald and will discover they did a fair amount of alteration
but couldn't conceal the fact. Here's a window in the Dow tech

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streamed by the fire escape fromwhich the anti Castro Cuban
fired three shots with the Manlicher Carcano, which was so
unreliable weapon known as the humanitarian rifle in World War
2 for never harming anyone on purpose.
He had two misses, one injuring a distant bystander by the name

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of James Tank when it hit the curbing and a chunk of concrete
cut his cheek and the other the grown strip over the limousine.
But after the vehicle was brought to a halt, he managed to
hit Jack in the back of the head.
And notice Linden's Security Service is already reacting,
even though Jax is acting as though they have no idea what's

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going on. Here then is the close up area
for the figure known as Doorman that turns out to be Lee Oswald.
Now, there are any number of peculiarities.
You can see here. For example, whereas Doorman's
left shoulder, it's missing. Why?

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Because a figure known as Black Tie Man has been introduced and
is both in front of him and behind him at the same time,
which obviously is an optical impossibility.
Proof of alteration. We have a black man's head
introduced here, it will turn out to obscure the features of
the shirt that Norman was wearing.

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Here we have a figure holding his hands up to protect his eyes
from the sun, but his face has been blacked out, referred to as
Black Hole Man Notice his shirt has been completely obfuscated
for reasons that will become a parahunt.
Indeed there, when Lee was arrested, he was wearing this

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long sleeve, richly textured shirt, rather tattered and torn
he'd brought back from Russia. Marina has acknowledged that she
remembers laundering that shirt and of course it was so similar
to the shirt being worn by doorman.
In fact, we have the height, theweight, the bill, the shirt, the

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T-shirt. So similar.
Richard Hook did brilliant work comparing the two figures.
He began with 7 or 8 similarities but wound up with
over 50 because of course, it actually is the same person.
The Dallas PD were so aware thatthis was Lee Oswald, in order to
obfuscate the resemblance to doorman, they had him remove his

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outer shirt before they took hismug shot.
Meanwhile, Larry Revere has donea superposition on the faces
with another figure that the Warren Commission claimed was a
doorman, A fellow named Billy Lovelady, who was two or three
inches shorter than Lee and 15 to 20 lbs heavier, who himself

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said he he couldn't imagine how they could be confused.
But it was a deliberate occupation on the part of the
Warren Commission staff because he was in the doorway.
As I'm going to explain, when you do a superposition you find
if you put the pupils of the eyes equal distant on an imposed

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photograph taken from a similar dimensions.
That it's the same person. All the features will align.
That's Lee on the left. All the features align Billy on
the right. They do not.
The nose is wrong, the cheeks are wrong, the jaw is wrong
because it's not Billy Lovelady.Here's another where you can see

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rather clearly it was Lee Oswaldin the.
Doorway, which means he. Not only cannot have been the
lone demanded gunman, but he cannot have fired any of the
shots, whether it turned out to have been 10 or 12 all together.
Meanwhile, the other figure withhis hands raised turns out to be

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Billy Lovelady. Amazing.
And here you. Have Larry doing a
reconstruction. Billy was actually asked to come
in by the FBI on the 29th of February 1964, wearing the same
clothing he wore at the time of the assassination.
And he came in wearing a short sleeve red and white vertically

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striped shirt and blue jeans, which of course is why they had
to black white it out so it wouldn't be obvious.
And there you have Lee similarlyin the reddish brown shirt he
was wearing at the time. The government was so insistent
to prove that the Alton photograph had not been altered

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when it obviously had been, thatthey went to some obscure
newspapers and created fake versions of their editions for
the assassination on Friday. Here you have the news
Palladium. Here's the outstanding extra
issue that day. Here, however, is the CI created

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fake so that individuals like Robert Groton and Josiah
Thompson, who had infiltrated the JFK research movement in
order to mislead it, have insisted proved the photograph
could not have been altered. But clearly we've seen the

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impossibilities that prove it was.
Meanwhile, in addition the frameLee they created a series of
backyard photographs. Fritz showed Lee one of the
stage backyard photographs. Lee explained it was his face
pasted on someone else's body. And that he'd be able to prove

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that he knew something about photography.
He had it exactly right, but didn't live long enough to
establish the fact. Jim Marrs and I did research on
the figure in the background. It turns out to have been Roscoe
White, who was ACIA guy who had joined the Dallas Police

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Department. And was on the grassy Knoll at
the time of the assassination. A very bad dude.
So here's a famous photograph published on the cover of Life
magazine intended implicate Lee holding the man.
Like Caricano, he's alleged to abuse to shoot a president with

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a revolver and a holster. He allegedly used to shoot
Officer JD Tippett and only two communist newspapers.
The worker in the Militant. Very interesting indeed because
a worker in the militant had an ethical communist philosophies.
And if they? Members of each were to

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encounter one another. They'd break out in in fights,
fisticuffs, or even try to kill one another.
The fact that he had a revolver.Moreover, is very telling
because as Robert Grodin in his book The Search for Lee Harvey
Oswald explains, the first officer on the scene found 4

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shell casings where Officer Tippett had been shot three
times in the chest and once in the in the head.
The right temple, coincidentallythat had been ejected from
automatics. Two different manufacturers,
Western and Remington ran. He initialed the cartridges.
Subsequently, however, they had to make a replacement of the

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cartridges ejected from automatic since Lee only had a
revolver with revolver cartridges, and now there were
three of one make and one of theother, none of which bore the
initials of the first officer onthe scene and of course,
advancing the attempt to frame him.
Now Jack White was a legendary student of JFK and eventually

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would become a masterful studentnot only of 911 but of the moon.
Landings realized that since thenewspapers had known dimensions,
they functioned as an internal ruler.
To ascertain the height of the individual, which turned out to
be only about 5 foot 6 inches tall, too short to be leak, who

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is around 5 foot 10, which. Occurred because either they use
a body double who is too short to be leak, or more likely in
fact I would assert certainly they introduced the newspapers a
bit too large when they fabricated the photographs.

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There are actually four of them all together.
No2 handheld snapshots should match, but Oswald's face is an
exact match. They use the same face in the
four different poses which wouldhave been an optical
impossibility. Now here we have the head of the

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medical panel. Actually if talking for the HSCA
when they reinvestigated the assassination in 197778 and
actually tried to do the cover up better than Warren had done.
Quite embarrassing observing if the backyard photographs are
invalid, how they were produced?Was it far reaching questions in

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the area of conspiracy for the events, a degree of technical
sophistication that it would almost necessarily raise a
possibility that someone conspired not only to kill a
president, but to make Oswald A passy, just as he declared?
And indeed, you can see when youstudy the photographs, they have

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different chins even. And there's an insert line here
you can see between the chin, which is kind of a blocked chin,
unlike Lee's more tapered chin, and his lower lip, clearly
fabricated. Jim Marrs and I noticed the
backyard guy had a very odd lumpon his wrist from a bone that

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never healed properly. It's the same in both turns out
to we agreed have been Roscoe White and indeed it turns out
that a ghost image, this is a kind of silhouette that would be
used if you're going to frame the photographs was found at the
desk of a Dallas detective now. The Dallas PD appear to have

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been given the assignment of framing Lee and they did not do
a very professional job of it. Meanwhile, Larry Rivera found a
photograph of Roscoe. Why?
And it superimposed it over the backyard photographs.
Roscoe had a far heftier build. He was thicker in the chest.

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He was more muscular than Lee. So notice how Roscoe fills out
the image of the backyard man, the body double.
Lee does not, in fact. Look here, this shows how
slightly is and that it could not possibly have been Lee's
body in the backyard photographs, even though it was.

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Lee's face. Meanwhile, the Secret Service
set up JFK for the hit. We actually have more than 15
indications agents were left behind at Love Field.
The limousines. Were in the wrong order.
Manhole covers were not welded, windows were left open, crowds

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spilling into the street. The route was changed four days
earlier to bring the target intothe kill zone and they were out
already cleaning up evidence at Parkland Hospital.
Stunning stuff. Thus, 2 Asians who would have in
the limousine were left behind in Love Field by Emery Rod

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Birds. The agent in charge of
Presidential protection detail. Here's 1 Henry Rimka expressing
dismay at being called off. The motorcycle escort was
reduced to four, who instructed not to write forward to the rear
wheels of the presidential limousine.
One of them observed it was the damnedest formation he'd ever

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seen. JF, KS Military aid.
Who? Normally sat between the driver
and the agent in charge was moved to the last vehicle along
with the present personal physician notice.
Had he been sitting between the driver, William Greer, and Roy
Kellerman, the agent in charge, he would have blocked the shot

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that passed through the windshield and hit JFK in the
throat. There were more than 15
indications of Secret Service complacency and setting him up.
In addition to the agents we left behind at Love Field.
The manhole covers were not welded shot open, windows were
not covered. The crowd was allowed to spill

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into the street. Look at this absolutely stunning
110 Military Intelligence unit was sort of stand down.
They would have been present forcrowd control over the adamant
opposition of the commanding officer.
They wanted chaos of this car. Notice how easy it would have

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been for an assassin with a handgun in the bus to have taken
out a president. A simple shot.
A total lack of security. Meanwhile, Governor Conley was
instrumental in making a change to the motorcade route on
November 18th, 4 days before theevent.

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Normally a motorcade route, oncefixed, is never changed so a
Secret Service can check every building and screen its
occupants. This change of course brought
the President past the school Book Depository.
Building and into the kill zone,where Dealey Plaza was ideal for

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an ambush. Most tellingly, the vehicles
were in an improper sequence. The presidential limousine was
placed first. Lower ranking dignitaries such
as the mayor and the vice president should have preceded
him. After all the gravel cheer for
the mayor and the vice president, but they really came

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to see Jack and Jackie. If he's there right off the bat,
who's going to bother to stick around for these lower ranking
dignitaries? Reporters were moved to the.
Rear. And the present personal
position to the last car which would have been the worst
location just patient require emergency medical treatment and.

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Let me add, the vehicles were all different makes and models
and collars, which enabled the permit traders to identify where
everyone was located in the motorcade at any time at
Parkland. For the more of the president
was taken, a Secret Service agent put a bucket and sponge

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and became clean up the blood and brains from the limousine
notice that's already the destruction of evidence.
When onlookers noticed that through and through a hole in
the windshield, the vehicle was moved.
Now the agent assigned was a driver, the Secret Service
Cadillac, who confirmed to his neighbor that during the process

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he found a hole bullet, evidently a shot to the back,
which only entered about as far as a second knuckle on your
little finger and worked its wayout, took it inside and left it
on a stretcher at the hospital. Would it would later be used to
play the role of the magic bullet, but there was nothing

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magic about it. Meanwhile, there's a Pruder
film. The whole movie was extensively
edited. Now charlatans like Josiah
Thompson and Robert Grodnik saysthat the Zebruner film is a
closest thing we have to absolute truth about the
assassination of John F Kennedy.But that's utter nonsense.

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They've been extensive alterations.
Wounds have been covered up. They removed more frames from
the film that remain in the accident version of 487.
There ought to have been around 1000 they hit the JFK back of
the head was merged with a hit to the right temple.

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I discovered it was visible in later frames such as 374 and
375. In other words, they had spent
so much time concealing the blowout of the back of the head
in early frames I suspected theymight have overlooked.
You could see it in later with ablowout.

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As you can see correspond to mantics area P from the altered
JMK X-rays, area P for patching.He detailed through the most
minute studies using optical densitometry and technique from
physics to identify an area thatwas created by exposure of

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something far too dense to be human bone, which he identified
as area. P thus.
Superposition of frame 312. The white outline in 313 black
show a sharp forward move on in an 18th of a second before the
left and backward snap we see inthe accident version of the
film. That's when the shot fired from

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the back of the head where Jack slumped forward.
Jack eased him back up and then he was in the right temple when
frames 313 black outline and 316white outline.
It's good that President was forced left and backward under
the impact of the fatal shot, but no one there actually

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observed the Violet back into the left motion, which was
reduced by excising, removing anexcessive number of frames.
Thus, and this is the most important scientific part of
Josiah Thompson's book 6 Secondsin Dallas, where in the
conclusion he disavows any proofof conspiracy.

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And yet the evidence there is extensive and compelling, where
there's a normal motion of the president's head up until 312
when it was violently forward, and then, because they've merged
the two back and to the left in a dramatic fashion, conclusive
proof of conspiracy. Here we have then the exit

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version of the subpootor. This was done using the
techniques of optical printing and special effects, which
allowed them to combine any foreground with any background.
You'll notice there's a break when the limousine is coming up.
Houston turning onto him all of a sudden, boom.
There you'll see the limousine notice the spectators in the

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foreground are not reacting the way they have everywhere else on
the motorcade. And that's because that footage
was taken from earlier filming when the pilot car passed, not
when the presidential limousine was present.
Further proof of the fabricationof what we have today.
Watch. So here you have these are lead

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motorcycle. This is not a motorcycle escort.
Then boom. There you have the motorcade.
They cut the turn from Houston onto M, it appears because the
driver swung out too widely. Now boom, we've got that back
into the left, which no one observed in Dealey Plaza that
day, none of the witnesses. I'll repeat again, look how

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we're watching. And all of a sudden, boom, the
limousine is present from skipping the turn from Houston,
Ontario. They even took out this damn it
freeway sign which apparently had a bullet hole in it, and
they made it appear as though the limousine moved
continuously, when in fact it came to a dramatic halt which

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endeared by my count at least 20seconds.
So here you have it 312. Now, this is from the shot from
behind 313 where where it's supposed to have been hit.
You already have a blowout at the back of the head that we can
get sealed. They moved around this feature,

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which is known as the BLOB to try to create the impression as
although a blowout in the front of the head.
But even Jackie during her testimony said, you know, from
the front he looked just fine, but she had a terrible time
holding his skull and brains together at the back of his
head. So we have ample proof of the

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Pluter film fabrication, but Josiah Thompson and Robert
Grodin want to deny the evidence.
Clearly they have a role. Well, as mentioned, I thought it
might be visible later, and indeed at frame 370-4375 when
Jackie is climbing out on the back of the trunk for a chunk of

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Jack's skull and. Brains.
That she held in her hand all the way to Parkland.
You can actually see the blowout.
You can actually see it here. You have it now.
This pink flap, that's like a skull extension that's still
connected to the skull. That's not the blowout.
It is here. Notice it's sort of bluish Gray.

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Remember how often they refer tobrain matter as Gray matter?
There you have it. It was my suspicion those who
were involved in reconstructing the whole movies of the
assassination, including the subruder, might have overlooked
frame class 313 through 316 thatdisplay the wound to the back of

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the head. I've had this image of the
blowout in frame 374. So here you have 312 and later
frames and now you have the comparison to the blowout with
that pinky flap extension. Here you see Mantic who looking
at the autopsy X-ray thought it was too much contrast between

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dark and right. I mean between, you know, 100 to
1000 times greater contrast. He performed these very minute
measurements using the techniqueof optical densitometry, which
were benefited by his myopia at the time, which enabled him make
these hundreds of measurements in a fine area.

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P for patch and then when you compare here, you pee with a
blowout very similar except because some of JFK's hair
overlaps. Meanwhile, the wounds were
altered and covered on. Many witnesses observed the
blowout to the back of the head.2 Parkland physician drew

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diagrams of what it looked like.The mortician who prepared the
body described it and more. DHS CA absurdly attempted to
reconstitute the back of the head.
I'll explain what a monstrosity it was for them to do this.

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Here you have witnesses Beverly Oliver, Phil Willis, Marilyn
Willis and Hoffman all in DealeyPlaza talking about the blood at
the back of the head. Then you have the doctors at
Parkland, McClellan, Peterson, Sal, your Carrico, Delaney,
Crenshaw, Jones, nurse Aubrey Bell describing the blood in the

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back of the head, even Taryn Ward, the justice of the Peace.
And then we have Aubrey Wright, who is the ambulance driver.
He helped to wrap the body in sheets and place it into the
bronze ceremonial casket. And then from Bethesda, Frank
O'Neill, an MBA agent who is wrestling during the autopsy,

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Gerald Custer, Paul O'Connor, Floyd Reamy.
I've spoken with these gentlemenabout to blow it to the back of
the head. Here's a diagram approved by
Doctor McClellan. As you can see, it was a messy
wound. Doctor Charles Crenshaw drove
for me these two diagrams, one from the back and one from the

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side. They indicate the enormity of
the wound. Here you have multiple doctors
at Parkland describing the extrusion of cerebellar as well
as cerebral brain tissue where the cerebellum is a compact part
of the brain above the brain stem.
They look very different. For example, cerebellar would be

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sort of more like a granular tiny wormy like, where this
cerebellum would it be more hamburger like.
Thus, the partitioner prepared the body for burial.
Told investigators In addition to a large gaping hole in the
back of the head, there was a small wound in the right hand

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pull and a wound to the back 5 to 6 inches below the shoulder
to the right of the spinal column.
Notice he believes it was patched, that they filled the
skull with plaster of Paris. That was a smaller wound in the
right temple. This was Crescent shaped,
clamped down. That's the the bone extension I

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described still attached. There were small shrapnel wounds
in the face, back with wax. He discovered this when
embalming fluid flattened through.
David Mantic brilliantly inferred those little tiny
wounds were called by shards of glass when the bullet passed
through the windshield that impacted Jack in the face.

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Wound in the back 5 to 6 inches,actually 5 1/2 inch, and below
the shoulder just to the right of the backbone.
Adrenaline gland and brain removed.
Other ruins removed and put back.
No swelling or discoloration to the face.
That means he died instantly. He was dead in Dealey Plaza.

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Meanwhile, Get this When the House Select Committee on
Assassination reinvestigated thecase in 7778, its medical panel
conclude the entry wound was actually 4 inches above the
entry wound previously specifiedat Bethesda.
It was depicted in diagrams, right, but not visible in

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photographs. And it was a made-up, a wound to
the top of the head. They ignored the fact the actual
impact was more in the vicinity where I have the cursor.
Here they moved it up 4 inches. There's that skull flap I was
talking about, very clearly visible pink in three 74375.

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Notice no hole in the top of thehead in a photograph, only in
the diagrams. As we have the complete
absurdity, we have the bonafide wound that was seen in Parkland
and described by multiple physicians at Bethesda.
It was enlarged. Commander Humes, in charge of

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the autopsy, took a cranial sod of the skull of JFK and enlarged
the wound to make it look as though something that could have
been caused by a shot from behind had the President been
leaning. Far forward over.
It is described in mathematical detail in the Bethesda autopsy

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report. Unmistakable.
And nevertheless the medical panel for the HFCA sought to
reconstitute the back of the hand as though they could get
away with redoing the cover up. Outrageous.
Anyone with any doubts about conspiracy here?

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And cover up this is. Cast iron proof Meanwhile, they
even used a body double in some of the autopsy photographs.
Dennis David There was the NCO responsible for logging parties
in and out of the morgue was ordered not to log in the body
of the major. His body was then used for some

(37:03):
of the autopsy photographs. The.
Throat. Wound was also documented as a
wound of entry. The Warren Report, of course,
covered it up via the magic bullet.
Meanwhile, here you have some autopsy photographs on the left
of the major not of JFK. Robert Grodin has promoted these

(37:27):
as though they were authentic. They.
Are not here you have again fromthe side the major.
Now, if you got millions of armed forces to choose between,
you're going to be able to find some figures who resemble almost
anyone. In this case, they found a major
who resembled JFK. But look here in this gift.

(37:49):
You can see it's not the same shape and size of cranium.
It's not JFK. In fact, Bobby.
And Jackie, talking about an open casket, said.
It. Didn't even look like Jack.
And that appears to have been because it made the substitution

(38:11):
and it was not. Meanwhile, here you have Malcolm
Perry on the right, was reporting during the Parkland
press conference about the shot to the throat and Kim Clark, the
director of neurosurgery at Parkland, who explained it.
You know the bullet through the head.
Meanwhile, Charles Crenshaw drewfor me the wound to the throat

(38:35):
before a simple tracheostomy incision was made by Malcolm
Perry and after small clean puncture.
Wound Clearly a wound of antry. Now in some of the autopsy
photographs they enlarged the wound.
This was done by calling Bob Livingston, MD.
By Commander Humes asked what the throat wound would have

(38:58):
looked like had it been an accent wound instead of an
entry. This is the major.
In fact, Charles Crenshaw explained to me how he was the
last physician to observe the body when it was wrapped in
jeans and placed in the bronze ceremonial casket and he had
closed JF KS eyes. The 1970s.

(39:19):
Lifton argued the bright rayish white wound just seemed to pure
snake up the side of the president's head, which he
called the BLOB that was moving around.
Completely disagreed with the description of the head wound
given by the doctors and nurses in Parkland where the president
was taken. David is proven by the way that
the alleged magic bullet where when they discovered that one

(39:42):
shot had missed and injured a distant bystander.
Since they committed themselves to three and only three shots
having been fired, they had to account now for all the wounds
with only two bullets. They had Gerald Ford redescribe
the wound to the back initially in the report is uppermost back,
which was already an exaggeration to the base of the

(40:03):
back of the neck. To turn the throat wound from an
entry wound to an accident by claiming it entered the base of
the back of the neck and trajectory passed through the
body without hitting any Bony structures and exited the
throat. But it turns out to be
anatomically impossible. David W Mahantic, MDPHD was born

(40:24):
certified in radiation oncology.Took a CAT scan of a patient
with chest neck dimension similar to those at JFK
trajectory. It turned out to be anatomically
impossible because cervical vertebrae intervene.
Meanwhile, the limo. Stop.
Was edited out during the limo stop.

(40:45):
He was hit at least twice in thehead.
Actually, it turns out three times.
Officer Baker has mounted his bike and ran to the grassy
Knoll. Officer Jackson rode up the
grassy Knoll until his bike fellover and proceeded on foot. 5
Secret Service agents surroundedthe limo and one even climbed

(41:06):
in. Here you have Zapruder up on his
pedestal with his secretary, where Jack White observed that
the secretary seemed to be blocking the filming by
Zapruder, which may have been done by a camera on a tripod in
the pergola, which would explainwhy the limousine disappears.
If you're following it with a handheld camera, you'll keep it

(41:29):
centered, but notice how it virtually disappears at the
bottom. Here you have right?
About the time of the limo stop,Clint I'll is rushing forward.
Multiple events take place. Here's a comparison between the
Knicks and the Zapruder. Rather, here you have Clint
going. Up Jackie's climbing out.

(41:50):
This is where you can actually see the wound.
Jackie goes back in. In the Knicks, however, Jackie
and Glenn actually make physicalcontacts, not in the Zapruder.
So they're at the top of the Zapruder.
Contrast with the Knicks. This was a failure when the CIA
edited the film to coordinate them properly.

(42:13):
Meanwhile, during the limo stop,as I say, Officer Hargis
dismounted. His bike ran between the
limousines. Impossible.
Had they been in motion up to the grassy?
No, Officer Jackson. Motored his bike up the Knoll
until it fell over and proceededon foot 5.
Surrounded the limousine and believe it or not, one of them

(42:34):
by the name of Glenn Bennett actually climbed into the
limousine. Here you can see some of the
marks on the grassy Knoll from Officer Jackson motoring up the
embankment. And here you have Officer Hargis
returning to his bike after everyone else had proceeded.
This is Gene Hill and Mary Mormon, And that's Beverly

(42:57):
Oliver. After the limousine is rushed
off to Parkland, even the Oklahoma City time picked up on
it. A motorcycle patrolman rode Bell
Mail up a railroad embankment, apparently in pursuit of the
assassin. But of course, there were
multiple. Larry Rivera has done brilliant
work on the JFK Horseman, the Motorcycle Patrolman, and how

(43:20):
all of this was faked and how itwas removed from the Zabruder
film. Meanwhile, those are who have
best fingered LBJ. Marilyn Duncan Brown began an
affair with him in 48, boring his son Steven in 1950.
Billy Soestus and Barb McClellanalso knew parties involved.

(43:40):
Roger Stone is laid out the casefor LBJ having killed JFK and E
Howard Hunt explained the chain of command to his son Saint John
when he believed he was on his deathbed.
Here's Madeleine, Texas in the morning because her affair with
Lyndon. Was well known.

(44:00):
She was invited to many social occasions, including what turned
out to be the ratification meeting at the home of Glenn
Murchison Senior the night before.
J Edgar was there, Richard Nixonwere there, HL Hunt was there.
When Lyndon showed up unexpectedly late in the
evening. They disappeared into a

(44:21):
boardroom for 15 or 20 minutes, and when it broke up he strode
over toward her, and she has told me she expected he was
going to whisper and sweep nothing in her ear.
Instead, he said in a hateful tone of voice, After tomorrow,
those Kennedy boys will never embarrass me again.
That's not a threat, that's a promise.

(44:44):
Even called her the following morning to repeat six weeks.
Later, during the rendezvous at the Driscoll Hotel on New Year's
Eve, Madeline. Confronted.
Linden with rumors. Rampant in Dallas at the time
that he'd been involved since noone stood the game.
More personally, Linden blew up at.

(45:05):
Her and told. Her The Oil Boys in the sea.
I had decided the Jack had to betaken out, but the plot
originated with him. The title.
Comes from the fact that when they'd awakened in the morning,
he'd open the windows and bellowout God I love Texas in the
morning. Meanwhile, Billy saw less as it

(45:27):
was a crony of Conley and Lintonhad conversation with Malcolm
Mac Wallace who was Linden's personal hit man who murdered a
dozen people for Linden, including one of his own
sisters, and Cliff Carter who ishis chief administrative aide
and became convinced that they had been involved in the

(45:48):
assassination. Martin McClellan worked at home
of a very powerful attorney in Texas, where much of the
plotting for the assassination took place, and reported in his
book Blood, Money and Power, HowLBJ killed JFK.
Roger Stone, of course, political gadfly, very

(46:11):
knowledgeable, published a book,The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The
Case. Against LBJ noting.
That Malcolm Mac Wallace fingerprints had been found in
the Book Depository on one of the boxes Use a set up the
Assassin's lair Rolling Stone bubbies the last convention of E
Howard Hahn, who was deeply involved with CIA, who has

(46:35):
admitted to having been in Dallas at the time, but said he
was not actively involved in theevent.
Nevertheless, he knew a great deal about it.
He confided in his son Saint John.
A narrative that. Chained a command when he
believed he was on his deathbed,he said.
The order went from LBJ to Cord Meyer in charge of covert OPS

(47:01):
for CIA to. David Atlee Phillips, CIA
Western Hemisphere To William Harvey, who was in charge of CIA
assassination worldwide to DavidSanchez Morales for Dallas.
It turns out that Mexico City trip was a fabrication.

(47:21):
Lee was alleged to have gone there to obtain a visa that
traveled to Cuba. He wasn't there, and photos and
audio recordings have proven it wasn't his voice, it wasn't his
image. 3 of the CIA assets involved in this were presidents
of Mexico. Lee's passport it.
Turns out was even stamped invalid for travel to Cuba.

(47:46):
Thus, Larry Rivera has done impeccable work on the Mexico
City state. And now the whole thing was
fabricated it. It's fascinating.
You can find it on his blog. The real Lee Oswald never set
foot in Mexico City in the fall of 1963.

(48:07):
Recent discoveries locating a passport he renewed on 24 June
1963, which was quietly suppressed by the FBI, have been
located and reported in both here.
This is the actual clean versionof his passport, which was done
by the Dallas Police Department when they took all his personal

(48:27):
belongings from Beckley, where he had a rooming house.
And here. Cuba not valid for travel to
Cuba. Whole thing a total fraud.
Meanwhile, here's a figure that was supposed to be Lee Oswald in
Mexico City. Obviously not as though the
Commission couldn't get even thesimplest facts straight.

(48:52):
Meanwhile, putting. The pieces together George HW
Bush and Edward Lansdale, were on the ground in Dealey Plaza
exposing the cover up. There's a range of possible
suspects. Noel Weinman was the first to
lay out the dimensions of the plot.
It was hatched in Los Angeles in1960 at the DNC convention.

(49:19):
I may have been the first to identify George Herbert Walker
Bush standing here. This is from a series of
photographs published by Jesse Curry, Chief of Police of Dallas
at the time when he after he retired and became head of
security for 7-11 stores. They published Jesse Curry's JFK
assassination files in paperbacks only available at 711

(49:42):
stores here. A group of CIA agents, officials
at the corner of Houston and outpaying their last respacs
included Grayson Lynch, Eddie Bale, not David Morales,
although he looks like him. This is a fellow named Bush
Panty, Ted Shackley, RIP Robertson, Tracy Barnes, Pain,

(50:04):
their last respects and backup Patsy's.
I'm convinced we had the three trams.
The first actual Charles Rogers,known as Franchi.
The second, Charles Harrelson, the father of the actor Woody
Harrelson. And the third Chauncey, Marvin
Holt, whom I met personally sometime mistaken for E Howard

(50:26):
Hunt, where Chauncey was instructed he was a forger, A
counterfeiter, an assassin, verytalented guy who is instructed
by his handler, Philip Twombly, to prepare 15 sets of Secret
Service credentials for use in around Dealey Plaza.

(50:46):
He was directed to leave them ina red pickup truck that would be
found in the parking lot behind the grassy Knoll, which most
American do not know to this daywas used by the Dallas Police
Department. When he arrived, the pickup
truck wasn't there. He wandered around Dealey Plaza
and told me he saw more hit men in Assassins and you'd find it a

(51:08):
soldiers a fortune convention when he returned the pickup
truck. Was there, so he left.
The documents in the appointed place he had been directed but
proceed with Harrelson and the man, Rogers, he knew as Richard
Montoya, to a boxcar at the railroad yard behind the parking

(51:29):
lot. That there'd be a boxcar that
would appear to be locked but would not be.
They got in and found it was loaded with explosives,
ammunition and weapons. They thought they were secure
when the train started to pull out, but the supervisor thought
something was wrong, directed the police who found them,
arrested them and walked them through Dealey Plaza.

(51:51):
Here you have a man with a very distinctive gait, distinctive
hand and ring. That is Edward Lansdale walking
past the three tramps. Had this been a proper
conducted, they would not have allowed civilians in the
vicinity. Meanwhile, we don't have Bush
there in front of the Book Depository, but Lansdale waiting

(52:13):
to report to Bush. Meanwhile, although you've heard
many stories about had there been a large scale conspiracy,
people would have talked and nobody talked.
It's absolutely false. This is from a single paragraph
in Noel Twyman's Bloody Trees and published in 1997.

(52:35):
Cars. Marcello bragged about it.
Jack would be killed, Santo Travagani the same.
Joseph Milltier explained how itwould be done.
Johnny Rosselli told Jack Anderson Ruby was their man,
David Atlee Phillips said. Before he died, fringe elements
of USML might have been involved.
He knew better nothing fringe about it.

(52:57):
Madeleine Brown explained how Lyndon said he would be killed
before it happened. Marita Lorenz who'd actually
been a Paramora Fidel stated in deputation of Frank Sturgis told
him he and some anti Castro Cubans were going to be
involved. Chuck Hinsana in the book Double

(53:17):
Cross that his brother Sam Giancana had explained the mob
would be involved. Chauncey even did a radio
interview about it. Charles Harrelson explained he
had been involved. Jim Hicks said he was a
communication coordinator. Jack Ruby said this would never
have had and someone else such as Adlai Stevenson been the vice

(53:38):
president of the United States. Now when you consider the
alteration of the X-rays that there was a substitution of
another brain that is approved of him was massively edited.
The list of potential suspects has narrowed dramatically.
The KGB, for example. Could not have extended its

(53:59):
reach into Bethesda Naval Hospital to alter X-rays under
control of medical officers of the US Navy and Secret Service
anti Castro Cubans. Could not have substituted
another brain for the brain of JFK, the mob, the Mafia.
Could not have got a hold of theZapruder film to undertake

(54:19):
alterations. Which means we're really reduced
rapidly to two alternatives. That was the ultimate black op.
The CI did it. Or that it was a covert coup
d'etat with Lyndon Johnson, the Joint Chiefs, the Intel
community, the military industrial complex all involved.

(54:41):
Which turns out to be the case if you can ever find a copy of
Bloody Trees and pick it up. The old Wyman next to David
Lifton's book. Best Evidence published
originally in 1980 about the medical evidence.
This book is the best on the politics of the early works he

(55:03):
wrote. I saw the most perfect
combination with the greatest probability of success, which
combines CIA military with Secret Service with Mafia with
LBJ, with J Edgar with LBJ and the conspiratorial group.
Hoover could have been relied upon to fall into line because
the mafia had compromised him. Crap.

(55:26):
That risk would seem acceptable to the plotters once they had
LBJ in their circle, but it actually worked.
The other way around. Thus when he talks about the
plotters, all the mafia had to do is get CIA involved, have the
CIA recruit Secret Service and LBJ.
It would have had a perfect conspiracy.

(55:47):
All LBJ had to do was recruit the CIA who would use the mafia
as needed and the Secret Serviceand he had a perfect conspiracy.
Hoover would fall in line after the fact when confirmed by LBJ
and the mafia with blackmail material they had on him.
No, he was in on it from the beginning.

(56:09):
In this scenario, right wing extremists, if involved at all,
would have provided money. That's a big picture, involves
distinguishing between the sponsors, the facilitators and
the mechanics or the shooters orsupervisors and coordinators,
including George Herbert Walker Bush, who appears to have

(56:31):
overall command and Edward Lansdale, who appears to have
positioned the shooters and determine the sequence of shots.
As the sponsors included the CIA, Jack was threatening to
shatter the agency into 1000 pieces.
They had a hit man, the Joint Chiefs.
Jack had refused to invade Cuba contrary to the unanimous

(56:56):
recommendation, signed an above grand test ban treaty with the
Soviets contrary to the unanimous opposition, and that
was pulling American forces. Out of Vietnam.
Where they believed the war had to be taken a stand against the
expansion of international communists, they had a shooter,

(57:17):
the anti Castro Cubans falsely believed Jack had betrayed them
at the Bay of Pigs, which the CIA knew better.
But. Allowed them to entertain for
their own benefit. They had a shooter.
The Mafia was upset because theythought they had an agreement
with Joe Kennedy that if they helped Jack to become elected,
they didn't. Sure, Chicago went for Jack and

(57:39):
therefore Illinois to guarantee he become president, but when
Bobby became. Attorney General, he began.
Cracking down on organized crimewith more indictments and
convictions than ever before in history.
They had a shooter these establishment surrounding the
Fed were upset because Jack. Believed it was absurd.

(58:01):
For the United. States to be.
Paying interest to a consortium of private banks for publishing
the currency of the United States, which it could be done
equally well by the Department of the Treasury for no interest
at all, he'd already done. That.
By publishing United States notes.
I remember as a young Marine Corps officer holding one in my

(58:23):
hand, it said United States notewith a red embossed imprint
instead of Federal Reserve note green.
They had a shooter, the Texas oil.
Ban as Jack was contemplating cutting their oil depletion
allowance, a massive tax write off close at 25% on the ground

(58:43):
that oil was a finite resource and by publishing oil on the
ground they were putting themselves out of business.
They had a shooter. Israel was at loggerheads with
JFK because David Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister and the
founder of Israel, wanted to develop nuclear weapons, which

(59:04):
Jack opposed in the belief. That it would.
Set off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
They had a shooter. And of course, Lyndon Johnson,
who wanted to become president of all the people, had his own.
So we actually had eight different sponsors, each of whom
had their own shooter, the facilitators, Linden of the

(59:27):
assassination, Edgar, the cover up where they appear to have
enlisted as project manager Allen Dulles, the former
director of the CIA, to put all the pieces together for the big
event that would take place in Dallas.
Here we have a book about it by David Talbot.

(59:47):
Some have thought all it should therefore be described as a
mastermind behind the assassination.
My own belief is that designation belongs to Linton.
The most important book published about his role by Phil
Nelson, LBJ, mastermind of the JFK assassination, where you

(01:00:10):
only have to read a few chapters.
And you'll understand how ruthless Linden was, but how
many strings he had both for good and for evil.
During a conversation with Madeline, she said to me how.
John Connolly. Couldn't even.
Describe Linden would take all the adjectives, and I said,

(01:00:31):
well, no Madeline. What he meant was Linden had no
many strengths for good but alsofor evil.
It would take every adjective inthe dictionary.
Meanwhile the shooting looked more like this, the yellow, the
three shots from the Dow Tex that was fired by the anti
Castro Cuban shooter from the top of the county records

(01:00:52):
building. This was a shot to the back, a
second shot that would know where that was by the Texas
oilman shooter. We had shots to Connolly,
followed from the opposite side of the Book Depository by Lyndon
Johnson's Hitman. We had the.
Shot to the right temple that was fired by the mafia Hit man.

(01:01:17):
We had the shot to the throat from inside the triple underpass
by the Joint Chief. Hit man.
We had a shot fired by the CIA guy from the grassy Knoll where
he would have hit Jackie. They were under explicit
obstruction not to harm her. He pulled her shot at one up in
the grass and now we have the third shot to the head.

(01:01:39):
From the grassy Knoll. By hitman for Israel, David
Manik has identified So how did it all begin in Los Angeles in
1960 when JFK beat LBJ for the nomination, invited Stuart
Symington, Senator of Missouri, to be his running mate?

(01:02:01):
We gave him overnight to think about it.
Meanwhile, Bobby went by the LBJsuite, not believing Linden
would have the least interest, but to extend that pro forma
symbolic gesture of inviting himto run with Jack, and was
dumbfounded when he jumped on it.

(01:02:22):
He threatened to expose that Jack and Addison's disease
wasn't expected to live a long, healthy life.
That among his dalliances was one with a beautiful woman who
was a spy for East Germany, of which he had been informed by
Edgar. And that if he were not on the
ticket, that any legislative proposal sent down by the White

(01:02:45):
House would be dead on arrival because in his position as a
powerful Majority Leader, he'd bottle them hot.
Jack and Bobby were baffled. But when it had them boxed in
and they were forced to accede to his demand, the only case in
which Jack ever had to rescind apolitical decision.

(01:03:06):
When one of Linden's wealthy backers learned about this
development, he burst into the Johnson suite, cursing and
swearing because now LBJ would help JFK become president.
Bobby Baker took him into a bedroom and explained what they
had in mind. He came out all smiles, saying

(01:03:29):
he thought that was an excellentplan.
Bobby Baker would later declare it probably that JFK would not
live out his first term and thathe would die of violent death.
Lyndon would send Cliff Carter, his chief administrative aide,
down to Dallas to make sure all the arrangements were in place

(01:03:52):
for the assassination. For those who want more, check
out JFK, Who, How and Why Solving the world's Greatest
Murder mystery. James there.
Is so much to think about here. You've covered a lot of ground.
I suppose a question I have for you is what is the moral of the

(01:04:16):
story that if the powerful. Enough forces are aligned
against you, your life can be terminated at any point.
Among the concerns that the right wing at the time had was
that Jack would serve. Eight years, then Bobby would
succeed him to serve eight yearsand then Teddy would arrive to

(01:04:37):
have a Kennedy dynasty. They felt they had a nip it in
the bud and alas it was all for policy reasons except in the
case of the anti Castro Cubans who wanted revenge for what they
believed to be his betrayal but which was not because he made it
clear from. The beginning There should be no
overt US involvement in this effort.

(01:05:01):
It turns out in retrospect, as Bobby and Maxwell Taylor would
discover it when they reviewed the Bay of Pigs fiasco on behalf
of the president, that the Soviets had learned the date of
the invasion, that they'd sharedit with Fidel Castro, and that
the agency itself knew Castro knew we were coming.

(01:05:23):
So all the key players were aware of the basic facts like
is, except for the commander in chief who was deliberately kept
in the dark. It was a gross betrayal.
And frankly, Jeremy, we have yetto overcome the consequences of
that tragic day in Dallas in 1963.

(01:05:44):
OK, so James. If I want to follow more of your
work, where can I go? Well, my blog.
James H. Fetzer.org I'm doing a lot of
radio shows. I have on Revolution Radio, The
Raw Deal, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, noon to two Eastern
Studio B and then Daily RBN, Republic Broadcasting Network,

(01:06:07):
authentic news from 3:00 to 5:00Eastern five days a week.
Jeremy and I have lots of blogs out there, any of these sites,
but especially my blog. Just do a search on JFK or 911
or Sandy Hook. You're going to find a veritable
bonanza of information, a whole lot of which I think may come as

(01:06:30):
a surprise. All right, all on that note.
James. Fetzer, thank you for joining me
in the trenches. My great pleasure, Jeremy.
Always.
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