We’re Living on the Jones Plantation

In this engaging conversation, Andrew Treglia, an independent filmmaker known for thought-provoking works on societal issues, discusses his films Jones Plantation and Barnum World, exploring themes of societal control, propaganda, and personal transformation. He reflects on the impact of COVID-19, the nature of anarchy, and the illusion of safety perpetuated by the state. Andrew emphasises the importance of individualism and cultural identity in a rapidly homogenising world, while also sharing insights from his personal journey as a filmmaker and parent.

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Episode Transcript

(00:38):
Andrew Tregia, thank you for joining me in the trenches
again. Without being boring, give me a
quick breakdown of you. Oh, I'm a filmmaker adventurer.
I directed a film called Jones Plantation, directed and edited.
And I have a film that was released on the 31st of May
called Barnum World. And we again, we like Jones a

(01:02):
lot less money, but we crowdfunded that film as well.
And so, per the promise I made to the of the crowdfunders, the
donors contributors, we releasedthat one for free to the
Internet. So that's on.
You can watch that right now. It's on YouTube and rumble and
bit shoot, but it's going to be I'll keep releasing probably,

(01:23):
you know, three to four more platforms.
It'll probably be on like 10 platforms by the time it's all
said and done. But right now you can go watch
it on YouTube. It's called Barnum world.
And so far the response has beengreat.
But and then it's a Barnum world, baby.
It's a it's a, it's a, it's a mockumentary.

(01:45):
It was originally going to just be a documentary.
And we're going to do the usual humdrum, you know, do a voice
over and prove a point kind of thing.
And and we decided like we created this fictional character
named Natty Jones and has the Long story short, as Natty Jones
sits down, he does a tell all about he's a propagandist and

(02:08):
he's been groomed. His father worked for the Rand
Corporation. There's like ACIA kind of cut
out kind of thing. And we don't learn this in the
film, but this is the back story.
But he sits down, he doesn't tell all about the propaganda
and and he covers the entire system and he basically just

(02:29):
lays out the entire clown systemthat we live under, the entire
scam that we live under and we prove it with B roll of the
world we actually live in. It's, it's really hard to
explain. I haven't actually gotten that
down yet. I haven't even cut a trail yet.
I just we did a screening in, uh, Phoenix and threw it up and
it's just been people love it sofar.

(02:50):
Mostly. The only thing I've complaints I
got is not enough Jews, not enough Jews.
You got to show more Jews and everybody's a target.
We don't let them alone either, But I'm I'm I'm paint with a
very subtle brush, you know whatI mean?
So if everybody's in there, so just pay attention and you'll
see what you need to see. But yeah, so we cut.

(03:12):
And so the B roll, it's is is itsupports what he's talking
about. And it's it's it's it's own kind
of narrative. And he the character, the
character Natty Jones is played by Lee Gallman, who played Mr.
Jones and Jones Plantation. And in fact, in the back story,
Natty's a distant cousin of Nathaniel Jones, who ran the

(03:33):
Jones plantation. I know I didn't do a very good
job explaining it. I wish I had a trailer for you.
The Jones Plantation is effectively an adaption of that
short video that Lark and Rose made a few years back, isn't it?
That's right. That's right.

(03:54):
Yeah, it's a, there's a short animation and we adapted it to,
it's completely different. But you know, what's crazy about
that is that I, I went down to Anarcho Poco, which is this
anarchist kind of freedom conference in Mexico.
Have you heard? You've heard of it?
I'm sure You need to go. Yeah, Steve.
Falconer was there. Yes, You know Steve.

(04:16):
Yeah, there's a buddy of mine. I met him down there actually,
that we became good buddies. Like I talked to him now and
again. He calls me from, I think he's
in Denmark, right? He's in Denmark.
And Andrew Kaufman was there toorecently and I think.
Yeah, I didn't meet him. I didn't meet him, but Kaufman
was there. I have a show now, Maverick and

(04:36):
the Machine, a podcast. I've interviewed Kaufman.
Of course, YouTube. That's the only one.
YouTube pulled it down. I couldn't believe it.
I was so pissed off. It's a really good interview.
And they said medical misinformation.
Believe it. Well, yeah, because there was
nothing in the interview. But they have it in for him.
He's on the no fly list on YouTube.
They hate him because he's credentialed and he says what a

(04:59):
bunch of horseshit the credentialing is and they can't
cookify him. I mean, he went to MIT grad do
grad school and he's like this, this is totally unnecessary.
Anyways, where where was it? We're getting sidetracked.
It's early here, so bear with me.
I just got my coffee. But I mean he.
Was kind of asking you to explain the Jones plantation.
So what happened? Actually, it's a great, great

(05:22):
film. Thank you.
Thank you. What I was saying is that I went
to the conference and this was February 2019.
So literally like weeks before the whole World War, COVID
started and I interviewed Larkinthere.
I, I had a whole other project. I was going to do something

(05:43):
called Democracy down. It was, I just had an idea.
I didn't have, you know, I, I was so broke at the time.
I had I literally like borrowed money from a rich buddy of mine
took Doug Mize, who was is now the was assistant director on
the film flew down there, took all our equipment and just
started interviewing people. And I was going to interview
people across the political spectrum.
That was kind of the original idea and make a documentary.

(06:05):
And I just I just was compelled to go there.
I met Larkin, I interviewed him and during the interview and
it's on my YouTube channel with Drew Drew Media TV.
He which I still have. I'm careful with him, but he in
the interview he says, well, I said, you know, slavery's, you
know, the, the old slavery was whips and chains, but today

(06:27):
might be more pernicious becauseit's, it's mind control, it's
brainwashing. You don't see the whips, you
don't see the chains, you don't see the slave master, You know,
you think you're free. And he said, it's funny.
I did an animation, a short animation called Jones
Plantation. And then we went and watched it.
Me and Doug went and watched theback of the hotel room and I was
like, man, this will be a great short film.

(06:48):
We should make it into a narrative.
And he's like, why don't we justmake it a feature?
He said that in the flight home.So then it turns out Larkin
lives in Arizona. So I just wrote him and said,
hey, let's do a Indiegogo campaign and turn this into a
feature film. And he was like, yeah, let's go.
So here we are. But if we had, if I had gone,
that conference was a week later, that film would have
never happened because because of the whole, all the COVID shit

(07:11):
happened like literally like a week after we got back.
And I met him towards the end ofthe conference and we had to
shoot that thing during that insanity too.
That, which was another interesting.
It's an allegory and a satire ofthe control system that we live
in now through the lens of an antebellum slave plantation.
It's, it's just, it's like a coil that's unwinding faster and

(07:34):
faster and faster. It's I, I, I don't know.
It's, I'd be, I'm, I'm, I'm really thinking of like I'm
trying to work my way out of this.
I live in the States. I, I mean, I'm going to watch
the collapse of Western Civilization.
I don't want to watch it from mybackyard, you know, like it's, I
don't know what's going to go onhere.

(07:54):
When people ask me what the film's about, that's all I tell
them. We all live on Jones Plantation.
It's weird because people tend to get it.
When I say that, they, I mean they don't know exactly.
Even if they don't know, I'll sometimes they'll wear the shirt
and then what's Jones Plantation?
We all live on Jones Plantation and they kind of get it.
It's a weird thing. Everybody kind of knows there's

(08:15):
something. If you don't know there's
something up, then you're you'reprobably going to be dead in 10
years. I mean, there's, there's if you
don't know what's going on, if you don't understand this,
everybody knows there's something.
Something is strange. Even if they're the most normy
people, there's something feels off.
Your credentials are significant.
I mean, you've also won awards. Yeah, I mean, whatever, I'm not

(08:41):
really big on. Any I think OK.
No, I don't think so. I think I maybe worked in a show
that won an Emmy and but no, I don't think I won an Emmy.
I don't think I won an Emmy, didI?
Or something you worked on, I can't remember.
I might have it wrong actually. But for the sake of for the sake

(09:03):
of making you look good, we'll say you did.
OK, I'll take it. I'll take it.
I I'm trying to remember becauseI worked at PBS for years and I
was on was Jimmy. Kimmel, I think, OK.
Oh well, Jimmy Kimmel that was so I did a feature documentary
called Lord of the Freaks. It was like a this was like pre

(09:24):
awakening me. That was in LA and had a big
screening at the at the EgyptianTheatre there, which was pretty
wild because I didn't get into filmmaking until my 30s.
I didn't even, I never even picked up a camera.
And I, I mean, I, I doused around the thing, but I made the

(09:46):
decision to go full bore into itwithout even, I didn't know
anything. And so then like literally like
10 years later, I'm standing on this like really expensive red
carpet in LA for my screening atthe theater that where red
carpet was invented. It's a beautiful theater, the
Egyptian, which is right down the street from the Chinese
theater. And I just was like, it was it

(10:08):
was great. It was a great experience, but I
was just kind of like something didn't feel right.
I didn't know what it was. And it was about like a lot of
soul searching. About three years later is when
I just said I made a decision like I'm going to do what I want
to do and that's it. Whatever come hell or high
water. And and that was really when I

(10:30):
started to do what I want to do.Once you make a decision, what
they call, you know, burning theboats, which came from Cortez,
apparently the story goes that he landed in Mexico and they're
outnumbered, would have like 100to 1 or whatever it was and they
were scared and he burned all the boats.
It's just like to we're either going to conquer this place and
we're getting killed. That's it.

(10:51):
And that's kind of like a metaphor for how you make
decisions in life when you're serious, Burn the boats.
Let's go. We're either going to we're
going to do this and that's it. So once I made the decision,
once you make the decision, thenthe then things start to happen.
And that's kind of what happenedto me.
But I was kind of just figuring things out.
And, and it's weird how once youmake that decision, like it's

(11:16):
just how things happen. Like as soon as I made the
decision, literally like a client I hadn't talked to in
five years contacted me and I did this job in Arkansas and I
made like 10 grand on the job. And I just bought all my
equipment with it for, for the shoot for Mexico.
And that's how I'm at Larkin. And here we are.
When did you have your Damascus moment?

(11:36):
Oh, yeah, We've talked. My Damascus moment was, was the
birth of my daughter. And I tell the story and it
sounds corny. And so I'm like, and I swear to
God this is true. It's I literally, I'll tell you,
this is kind of embarrassing. I've told my daughter this and
we think it's funny now. So the her mother and I are not

(11:58):
together, but we we Co parent. We have a very good situation.
I wouldn't recommend it and I wouldn't do it twice because
you'll never strike lightning ina bottle twice.
But are you, you probably won't.But at the time I, I kind of
knew we were going to split up. My daughter was being born and I
didn't, we didn't know and I waslike.
So we went to the doctor to figure out if it's a boy or girl

(12:22):
and they told us it was a girl. I wanted a boy.
And I literally in the thing waslike shit.
Like I scream shit in the room, which I, I told my daughter I'm
ashamed of. It's funny now, but it was
because I, I thought I was like,at the time, my belief was I
don't want kids. Kids are going to make my life
miserable. You know, they're going to keep

(12:43):
me from my dreams. They keep me from my fun.
And so then of course, the day of the birth of my daughter,
like the minute I looked into her eyes and I'm not being
corny, I looked into her and I was just fell in love with her.
And of course, like having a daughter is the best.
I'm I'm she's like the best. But I was like, what the fuck

(13:06):
have I been doing? Like it just snapped me like, Oh
my, why don't, why don't I have 10 of these?
Like I should have 10. I want 10, you know, like I'm a
big strong man. Why?
And I started reverse engineering my life.
Why am I financially struggling when I'm good at what I do?
Why, why, why, why? That's when I started unraveling
my life. And that's when I woke up and

(13:28):
realized that I've been scammed and lied to my whole life under
this control system that does everything it can to degenerate
you and keep you from your destiny, which is to raise
children and be abundant. When you say reverse engineer
though, like what do you mean? Like unlearn things that you had

(13:48):
previously learned. Yeah, like, why did I think that
having kids was going to be bad?Like, that to me is the most
insane thing. You, you just like you've said,
you just had a child. I'm sure you've talked about in
the show recently. I've got a boy.
I mean, it's the most insane, awesome thing you can ever think

(14:09):
of, right? It's the craziest thing.
It's so beautiful and Can you imagine they're trying to tell
us that having children is bad and and why are they propagating
this? Why are they propagating?
Why is your brain? Yeah, but it's so like they
don't want you to have the greatest thing that there is.
Like you're you're basically your reason for being here is,

(14:34):
is to to propagate the species. So obviously there's some they
have an issue with the species, right?
So then, you know, there's that.Then there was the more
pragmatic stuff like is my volume OK?
I feel. Like it's.
OK, good. Yeah, You know, because I'm

(14:54):
raised in America, so it was or the United States I called
America is occupied by the United States.
That's how I the United States federal regime, we're in
occupied territory, but we were,you know, raised with this
absolute horseshit about how we're the freest country in the
world and the freedom machine and, you know, the voting and

(15:15):
the, the holy fathers with these, you know, pure, pristine
men that only wanted freedom. And, you know, it's the court
system is amazing and it's, you know, it's not the best, but
it's worked really hard and it's, it's utter nonsense.
And so that was a big part of itbecause it be it really for a
lot of people. And I mean, I, if you'd said to

(15:38):
me like America wasn't number one or America wasn't the freest
country, like I would want to fight you before, before all
this, you know what I mean? Like I would have like gotten
physically angry at you. That's that's how crazy it is.
And that unwound, which was really, really depressing.
Like that was like losing a girlfriend that I was in love
with when that fell apart. And there's just so many things,

(16:00):
you know, just every, all the stuff, you know all the stuff.
But that's one of the big thingsthough, is that people don't
want to let go of so many of these preconceived ideological
positions, I suppose, and and beliefs in things that we have
been fed. It's an ego thing.

(16:23):
That's what Natty Jones says in the movie.
It's an ego thing. They don't you.
Yeah, you can't. They don't It's.
It's very difficult. It's very difficult, but you
have to live The analogy that that I like is, you know, if
you're, you have to live in the truth.
And how about our miserable? It is because it's like the

(16:46):
analogy is if you're living in aneighborhood and there's a mob
guy and he's killing people and burying him in the cemetery and
you don't realize that the mob guy and the cops are working
together. They're all, it's all one thing,
and you're completely and totally controlled by the mob
and the cops. They're all corrupt.
And you go to tell the police about the mob guy.

(17:08):
You're going to end up in the cemetery.
So you need, yeah, the neighborhood is terrible.
It's completely corrupt. But at least you understand
what's going on so you can protect yourself and you can
make decisions that will hopefully get you out of that
situation. But if you're living in a
fantasy where you know you're going to vote the guy in now

(17:30):
we're going to vote, vote Trump in.
He's going to fix everything andyou know we're going to bring
America back. One of the things about Barnum
world is, but it's is is Barnum statements.
Barnum statements are statementssound that they use to control
us. It's a really good tool.
They're statements that sound like they mean something really
profound and they they they get your emotions up, but they

(17:54):
actually mean absolutely nothingbecause they mean something
different to everybody that hears them.
So if you took somebody in a room and you know, the classic
one is Make America Great Again,that doesn't mean anything.
If you took 15 people in a room and ask them break down in three
sentences, what Make America Great again, you're going to get
15 different answers. It doesn't mean anything.
It's just it's a Barnum statement and they use them all,
you know, bring the country together.

(18:15):
We're going to get back to the Constitution.
You know, all these things are Barnum statements, build back
better. So we go through that in the
film and Barnum world, but I don't know where I was going
with that. But I'm sorry 7 here.
I'm I'm sorry if I'm meandering.Hopefully I'm not ruining the

(18:36):
show here. The the COVID era is a great
example of a bunch of these themes because people people
were voluntarily lining up like cattle to get an injection, a
brand on their arm. Yeah, it's, it was absolutely
bonkers. And that's self-imposed.
What was crazy to me was like, oh, yeah, there's so many things

(19:01):
that were crazy about that I, I still haven't.
It's so crazy because they did all that and then we're just
like, moving on. This is the thing.
What did you conclude from that?Because I'm still processing the
fact that the entire world was involved in that.
It starts to make David Icke look a lot, lot more plausible
than maybe he did before. Like I the whole thing.

(19:22):
Is it wasn't a coincidence? Right, exactly.
And they, well, this is what Barnum world's about is that he,
he just goes through all of the different propaganda tools they
have and how easy it is, how easy it is to just because they
know how people are going to act.
And it, it was so easy. And The thing is that the people

(19:50):
there were so many people. I have a one of my best friends
who was a extremely intelligent guy and he was just gone and I,
and I tried to tried and he, I could not reach him and I just
thought, I don't, I haven't talked to him since I there were
intelligent people that could not accept the fact that they
were being lied to. I'd so I don't know what I

(20:12):
conclude from that now is I, I don't know if that doesn't wake
people up to the system. I mean, I'm making films, I'm
I'm doing my thing. I'm trying to wake people up.
I'm trying to get, but I don't know if even waking people up is
enough. Like, I don't know.
I don't know. I, I'm, I'm kind of black pilled
on the way. Are they capable?
Are we just going to have to tryto carve out whatever we can?

(20:35):
You think so? I'm also, I'm also a bit black
pulled on that. I've come to realize now, I
mean, particularly after Trump was elected and I'm just an
observer, right? I don't live in the states, but
I see the number of people who are suddenly embedded in in the

(20:55):
system again since he became president because hey, anything
he says is cool so therefore youknow he's playing 5D chess.
So trust the plan bro. Yeah, yeah.
And that's what I say. A lot of people have the
different opinion that they're going to wake up because he's
going to prove himself to be. He's already doing it with this

(21:18):
Israel stuff. I mean, but he was doing it
before it was so obvious. It's so obvious.
It's like you're screaming like,can't you see this?
You shake people, but they can't.
But I always said if, if Kamala,if Kamala had gotten in, it
would have been so obvious that she cheated and her policies

(21:40):
would have been so evil and stupid that I think, because I
think what's coming to the the United States is as a massive
secession. How that looks, I don't know,
20, early twenty 30s. I thought we could have gotten
that for real. I thought we could OK, because
this is going to be so ridiculous.
But what Trump did was all thesepeople were America's back,

(22:01):
baby. Freedom was back, baby.
You know, And then I, I, I can'ttell you how many right wing
kind of even like like really honest bass right wingers were
like, we're shipping out 30 million people.
We're going to send them back. I'm like, dude, you guys are
living in fantasyland. They're not sending anybody.

(22:21):
The thing is, they'll say the borders are sealed.
How would I know if the borders are sealed?
The immigration's down. We've got the immigration like
nothing has changed. I don't know.
How would I know that? There's still tons of people
here from other places. The border's massive.
There's a massive border betweenArizona, Texas and Mexico.
How that border sealed? That doesn't make any sense.

(22:44):
It's it's just they, it's all what they, it's all the grand
Wurlitzer, man. It's the, it's modern world.
They just do, they put whatever they're putting out there.
People are going to buy into andstart arguing back and forth and
they just got everybody back on the America train.
But he is doing very badly. People are, but I I don't know.

(23:05):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if he's like if it just happens to
be that he just is just full of shit or if he's like actually
actively like, OK, I'm part of the scam, rub my hands together.
I don't I don't know. Obviously nobody can really
know. I people think that that there's
something we don't know what happened with his so-called

(23:27):
assassination attempt, who we don't know, but we can't know
that we. Don't talk about it.
We know we don't know the truth,that's for sure.
Yeah. What I can't understand with
that thing is that like two people, one or two people, I
think one guy was killed and somebody else was shot, got
capped. And they're like in the audience

(23:48):
somewhere. Like if you have an AR and
you're sitting on top of a tower, I mean, I'm not an expert
with an AR, but I can hit you, you know what I mean?
It's a 556 bullet. It's not hard that guns meant to
shoot people. It's pretty, I mean, why they're
shooting audience people, you know, 30 yards away.

(24:08):
Like, what was that? That was just, you know, to to
add to the drama, which I don't know if this is a matrix thing
or an intentional global cult thing, but the guy, the fireman
that was killed, his number was 33 on his uniform.
I don't make that make of that of what you make of that what

(24:28):
you will. It's just odd.
All that shit happens. Is it a matrix thing?
Is it? I mean, you know, I talk about
this illegal man all the time who played Mr. Jones and played
Natty Jones is a friend of mine.If if one if this week get this
whole thing, it's uncovered and there's not some sort of
supernatural being beings behindthis, I'll be disappointed.
Like I'll be shocked. Like I, I can't imagine human

(24:50):
beings could put this much scammery together for this long.
You know, most people I know arethey're nice.
I I can't imagine the kind of organization and scammery and
bullshit that goes on. I, I just think, I think films
like, again, I don't want to push my own stuff, but like, I

(25:13):
think Barnum World because it really, you cannot watch that
film and walk away unless you'rejust gone.
You cannot watch that film and, and walk away and go, Oh yeah, I
don't know. That's everything, you know,
there's no argument. It's like this is it?
We're telling you what they're doing.
We're showing. It's not complicated.
It's not brain surgery. And we're showing it.

(25:35):
Like, I give you an example. There's a guy a lot of I pulled
this off the Internet, but then I cleaned it up.
One of the Barnum statements is this the most important election
of our lifetimes? This is the most important
election of our lifetime. We do a string from 2020.
You keep breaking up, be there, but it goes from 2024 to 1940.

(25:58):
Clips of presidential candidatessaying it's the most important
election of our lifetime. And when you see that laid out,
it's like the audience, they'll watch it.
And the first they're kind of laughing.
And then they're like, oh. And then by the time you get to
like the 70s and the 60s, like, oh, whoa, what?
Like, what is this horse shit? Like they've been saying this
for 80 years and it still works together alone.

(26:23):
That's a Barnum statement that they just live on these Barnum
statements. And once you see them, you can't
Unsee them. They're everywhere.
I don't know where. Yeah.
It's it's with one of the thingsis that is the dark occult
thing. So that's where the repetitive
content, repetitive content. Have you ever talked to a guy
named Jason Kristoff? Just a few days ago, in fact.

(26:47):
Oh, OK, so you went over this stuff.
He's he's a big repetitive content guy.
Yeah, he when you see it, because I, it kind of messed my
head up when I was editing the film.
It's there was a everybody's seen that newscast where it's
they're going false news. It's a threat through our

(27:09):
democracy. It's a threat through our
democracy threat. Have you ever seen that?
Yes. We use that of course, but then
I cut to another one where there's like 40 senators or
congressmen. I don't know what what these
assholes do, but they're every single one of them.
It was, it was a longer bit, butI cut it to the very end where
they go. That's the truth and that's the

(27:30):
truth. And in the bit they say the same
thing. A couple of them vary 8 a little
bit. Most of them do the exact same
physical movements where they have this little like handheld
little like portable mic thing and they say something and then
they sit down and go Now that's the truth.
And like they use the same hand movements and gestures.

(27:52):
It is really creepy. And so to me, they're, they,
they know some it's, it's, it's,I don't know, it's, it's, it
can't, it's got to be some sort of weird occult for all of those
people to do that in the exact same way and move the exact same
way. I don't know how to explain it.
It's, it's very creepy. It's very creepy.

(28:14):
And they have to know that somebody's going to cut together
and show the world, but they don't care.
They don't, it doesn't matter tothem.
I think they've figured out thatif they just show you what they
want to show you, there's going to be a certain percentage of
the population that's going to buy into it.
And, and nothing you show them will change their mind.
You know what I mean? So they don't care.
They just do this programming thing and they're obviously

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lying, but they're saying that'sthe truth.
That's the other thing. It's inversion.
Everything's inversion where they're blatantly lying and then
they say that's the truth. It's like it's, it's also, it's
a demoralizing thing. It's very demoralizing.
They want to demoralize people to just kind of like there's
nothing we can do and just kind of give up and move on with
their life and let them run on this scam and this control

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system that they're running on us.
What do you think is going on? I mean, what's the game plan?
I don't know. Digital prison, one world
government. That's what I think is going on.
I think that's what they want. Digital Prison.
One World Government. Satan.
Enslavement and the illusion of freedom, I think.

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That they're going to get to thepoint where there's not going to
be any more illusion. That's why I think we're headed.
I think the illusion is going togo away.
They're going to just be we're just going to be we're and I
think eventually they're going to probably try to kill a bunch
of us as a as the game is the red blue scam.
They're there to pretend like there's somebody trying to fight
this thing. You know, did you, Oh my God,

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did you see the interview with Tucker Carlson where he
interviewed Ted Cruz? You, you, you've got to watch
this. This is something that should be
studied if it's it's mind boggling.
If you want to, if you want to unscrew and look under the hood
of what these people that run this world think and do.
And I don't know what where he'sat or what level he is or

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whether he's a true believer or not.
He is an unbelievably fucked up person.
I mean, he is a really fucked upinto Ted or or Tucker.
I would say a lot of people would say, oh, Tucker's in on it
and his CIAI think Tucker is a man who's changed his mind.
I mean, he's he, there's questions he doesn't ask,

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there's places he doesn't go, but he won't get the interview
if he does. You know, he's also kind of
still a believer. I don't know what he is.
I can't, I don't know the man, but I think he's a man of people
do change their mind. It's not.
I think when people act like everybody's in on it, they give
this stuff too much credit. These people are not that
competent. It's just not that hard to do.

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There's an interesting interviewwith this former CIA guy and
he's talking about these methodsthey learn to kind of manipulate
people. And he's like, I, I learned
these. I was like, there's no way this
shit works. It's just too obvious.
He's like, there's no way. And then it's like, because I
think it went out into the real world and I did it and it's
like, it works like 100% of the time.

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It's like these techniques are so simple.
So it's not like these people have to be this giant where
Tucker's acting. And it's like, no, it doesn't.
It's, it's very easy to manipulate and control the
people. And I think Tucker Carlson is a
guy, in my humble opinion, who'schanged his mind.
He was pro war and now he's like, I'm anti war and he's
trying to talk to Ted Cruz and going Ted Cruz wants to invade

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Israel or Iran and regime change.
After all we've been through, he's still pushing this shit.
And he's like Tucker's like basically, if I had to sum him
up, he's like, what the fuck areyou talking about?
But the interview is, it's fascinating.
It's really a fascinating look into these psychopaths and
idiots that run the world and what, how they, how they, and

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like I said, what level he's at.I don't know what this, if you
keep on peeling the onion, what do we end up with?
Satan. I, I don't know, it's so evil
and bizarre. It's hard to even fathom that it
could just be human beings. But I don't know.
All I'm saying is all everything's on the table.
Let me define what I mean by idiot.
What I mean is they have absolutely no wisdom.

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Like if you're a piece of shit and you're trying to, you're
anti human, anti God, you, you're an idiot.
I'm not saying you're not intelligent, OK, I'm saying
you're, you're an I'm not sayingyou're not manipulative.
I'm just saying you're a fuckingidiot.
Like the guy Yuval Harari, whatever that he's supposed to

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be the the smartest Jew in the world, that guy is a fucking
idiot. He's an idiot.
He's a complete idiot. He missing everything, missing
all the important things he's missing.
So that that's what I mean by that.
You would. Think that more and more and
more people are becoming aware, right?
Yeah, let's, let's just go back.You know, it wasn't that wild

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when we had those Nazis running the government.
Now it's over. Now let's go back to work.
I don't know, in some way it's kind of interesting because the
way humans can just adapt, you know, I think in some ways I,
this is my thing and I've been Lark and Rose have gotten back
and forth on this. He thinks people are waking up
and I hope he's right. But my thing is, even if they

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wake up, they're not going to accept voluntarism and anarchy.
They don't. People don't want freedom.
They want to be told what to do.In my opinion, I've become very
black pilled on this. I don't think most people want
freedom. They want somebody to tell.
It's the line of the Jones plantation.
They don't want freedom or the truth.
They want somebody to tell them what to do and they and they

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don't want it to be them. They want to know somebody's in
charge and it's not them. That's what they want.
Anarchy. So just just for clarity, when
you talk about anarchy, you're not talking about chaos, you're
just talking about individualism.
No, that means they obviously turned that word.
I mean the word means what the word means for people.
For people now it means chaos. But the original, they obviously

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did that to manipulate what it is.
But you know, the original term just means anarchy, just means
without rulers, doesn't matter because now it means chaos.
But my anarchy means I'd like voluntaryism, self organizing
principle, human beings and selforganized.
But the problem is that you know, and you know this, that

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these types of people are going to come in and manipulate humans
and get gain control. It's just like that supposedly
quote the Napoleon said. How did you take over France?
There was a sword in the ground.I picked it up.
You know, that's probably going to happen.
I, you know, I don't think that people are going to, oh, wow,
this we're about to collapse andeverybody's waking up that
everybody's just going to go. What's the anarchist?

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We're just no more governments. I mean, it's conceivably
possible. It would require a massive
elevation of consciousness wherewe, we would look at politicians
and governments like we look at,you know, transatlantic and, and
the African slave trade or what are all the slave trades, the
Roman slave trade. You know, we look at it now like

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we're appalled by it for the most part.
We'd have to, it'd have to be like that.
Like if you, if you want to, there'd have to be where like if
you try to rule over other people, we're going to kill you.
Like you're just not fit to be in society.
That would require a massive elevation of consciousness.
I, I hate to be negative, I justdon't see it.
I think the already knows this is horseshit.
If they make it so horrible thatit's untenable, there could be

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something, you know, I don't think everybody's.
I'm not like it's going to be dystopia hell.
Like, I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know where it's going. I don't know where I'm sorry.
I'm. Tired of forever though.
To be fair though, without slavery we wouldn't have rock
music. Explain that joke.

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Slavery. A lot of people don't know that
though. Explain that I don't get, I
mean. Well, rock music comes from
Blues, and Blues comes from. Stable.
Did you know that? Oh yeah, yeah, I've heard this
theory. I don't know that that's true

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because a lot of people think Blues came from bluegrass or
from from the Appalachian people.
Did you know that? Well, I like, I like my
position. Well, The thing is that that's
another one of the SIOP things where the white man just copied
the black man, where it's actually those black people came
over here and saw these, these all these Breeley Mountain

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people playing this kind of likecame from Scotland bluegrass and
and they adopted that music fromthat.
So there's that argument. But I like your, I like your
joke. I get your point.
I mean we would have rap music without slavery.
I know that we wouldn't have rapmusic that the CIAI.

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Mean if you look at the daughterright now, do you know that the
biggest slave trade is, is from,from African countries?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's very politically
incorrect to say that. Yeah, well, it's because the
controllers hate multiculturalism.
They, they want us all mixed together.

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They want the brown BLOB. They want to ethnically cleanse
all of us and turn us into one big brown BLOB.
We have no history, we have no culture, we have no religion, we
have no family. We're just the brown BLOB of
enslaved consumers. That's so when they say they
like multiculturalism, I say they actually hate
multiculturalism because they hate us.
Why would they like multiculturalism when they're
anti human? They hate multiculturalism.

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That's why they're trying to mixeverybody together and turn us
into the look of the giant, the,you know, the clergy plan.
You've heard of that? Yeah, it's to remove white
people out of Europe. Well, it's just to brown
everybody and turn us into like this ethnically cleansed brown,
the brown BLOB, I call it. That's what they want.
They don't love multi. I like multiculturalism.
I just, I want to go to Belgium and Germany and see German

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culture. I want to go to El Salvador and
see El Salvadoran culture. They don't want that.
They want everything to be just McDonald's on every corner.
ZOG you know, you know, dude, America is ZOG.
ZOG. I was looking at AI was at a a
gas station yesterday. I almost took a picture of this

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and I was looking at the front of the building and I was like,
God, ZOG It was like it was a $3meal plan.
It was a disgusting hot dog and like a 60 oz two dozen donut
drink, you know, which is basically those drinks are like
a dozen Donuts. That's how much sugar is in
those drinks, that they're Big Gulp drinks.
And like a piece of candy or something was $3 and then it had

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a Zin. Then it had like a weed thing.
You know, you get these like 3 for 15.
You get like, and then it was like a liquor deal, you know,
and then it was cigarettes. And I'm like, that is ZOG right
there. There it is.
It's, it's, it the everything, the construction of the building
is the hideous buildings that are built only for, for
commerce. They, they don't last.

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And then everything is just vices and misery.
It's yeah, it's a terrible food.When I was in Paris, it it
looked like any other big city in the world.
It didn't look. It flat, it flattens everything.
That's what they did. Flattens everything.

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There's no culture anymore. They want, they're anti
multicultural. You know what I mean?
You want to go to Italy and see Italian and Italian culture.
You want to go wherever you're going in the world.
They want to flatten it all and put circle KS and shell stations
and Zins and McDonald's and Starbucks and Panda Express and

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Walmarts everywhere. And it's just a flattened group
of brown, ethnically cleansed people that have no, like I
said, no history, no ancestry, no no culture, no religion,
nothing. It's just.
Consumption and enslavement. And when you come to South
Africa, you want to see wildlifeand crime.

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I want to see, I want to see farmers rising up and massacring
anybody that comes near their farm.
That's what I want to say. Let me ask you a question
because I I wanted to save this,but I can't.
What is your deal with your takeon Dracus 2 + C?
Because here's a guy who's a South African champion and he
never talks about the farmers there.
And it makes me wonder, is he just living?

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He does. Oh, does he?
He does. He never doesn't do it, but he
does. He's go ahead.
He's yeah, he spoke out at one or two of his fights.
I like him. I like him a lot.
I think he's a a Regal. He's a great fighter.
Oh, he's great. I've I've won a good bit of
money on him. Actually.
I've been calling him for a while, Joe.

(40:57):
Rogan can't. Can't figure him out.
So, so, so Drickus is basically a grappler.
I mean, the guy is very dirty innot in terms of he doesn't fight
dirty. He's just, he's just very
sloppy. He's not.
You're going. To get into a brawl with that
fighter, Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
You don't want to get into a brawl with him.
Well, I mean, if you're getting the ring when you say dirty,
you're getting into a brawl. He's coming at you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I the wagon to tell you what
the. Go ahead.
I'm sorry. No.
No, I was going to say if you, if you give him a chance, he's
going to take you down. That's it on the ground.
Well, my thing with him is that the explanation for him is that
he goes into the ring and his mindset is I'm going to win no
matter what. There's a there's a few guys
like that and when you see them,you bet on them.

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He knows he's going to win and he goes in there and he's going
to win and, and he gets it done.He finds a way to get it done.
He's got that thing that's very few fighters have that He's just
I'm going to win. I think he's going to, I hope he
fights Kamzad. I think he's going to beat him.
I really do. He's going to beat Hamzad.
He's going to get past the firstfew rounds and then Hamza's

(42:02):
finished because Hamza's like once you Hamza's one of those
guys, if you get him past, we'regoing to get MMA discussion now.
But like if you get him past thefirst few rounds, he's going to
crumble. He's one of those guys that's
like a bully that kicks everybody's ass.
But if he meets his match, he's going to crumble.
He's going to get tired. He's going to give up.
When drinkers fought Strickland,it was a very difficult one for

(42:24):
me because I like both of them. Well, Tricus lost that first
fight. He lost that first one he got,
He got the decision because theywere in Canada and and Sean
Stricken was talking shit on Trudeau the whole time.
He he beat him a second time. Did you know that he lost that
fight though? He lost 4 rounds in that fight.
He fought great, but he lost. But then the second one he beat
him, he came back and beat him. He beat him real good the second

(42:46):
time. I mean, his face was just three.
He beat Israel. Oh, he beat I took I took him
against Israel. I knew he's going to kick the
shit out of outside. I mean, he I knew he was going
to house that guy. Now I I'm telling you, I he's
going to be an underdog against Hamzat and I I that's a good
bet. That's a very within the betting
world. That's a very good bet.
I will be shocked if he loses the Hamzat.

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The only way he can lose the Hamzat is if he gets just
crushed in the beginning. And I just don't see it, man.
I don't see it. He's so Derekis is a savage.
He's enormous. He's like my size, but he's a
middle weight 185, right? Yeah, dude's enormous.
There is a there is a Segway. There's a lesson that we can
bring back into the Jones Plantation discussion, and
that's the importance of fitnessand self-defense.

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Yeah, especially now I, I, I, you.
Can and if you can have a gun. Which, yeah, well, we hear my
thing with guns Here is the Second Amendment here is kind of
like a LARP because if they weren't making a bunch of money
off it, they just shut it down. You try to defend yourself here.
It's it's what they call that anarcho tyranny.

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Where you can, if you go and runaround and act like an asshole
on the subway, you can get away with it.
But if you defend them, then you're going to have to go to
trial. And they go after you because
they want to have make sure thatnobody, they have to have a
monopoly on violence, but they have to have monopoly on
policing. You're not allowed to defend
yourself. They have to have a monopoly on
that because otherwise people would be going off.

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There's a lot of, there are a lot of still a lot of very base
dudes here in the States that know how to use a gun and have
lots of them and they would go off.
But they're it's still too much police.
We can't quite do what we need to do.
But I say get guns because and same thing in your country.
It you guys are a little more broken down.
But at some point you're you're going to need to be able, you're

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going to be able to use them. You better have them.
At some point you're going to beOK to use them.
Yeah, you mentioned ERA 15 earlier when you're talking
about Trump's assassination attempt.
Yeah, I actually, although I do like an AR15, I'll I'd prefer an
AK47. Have you shot 1?

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No, and I'm not. I'm not opposed to that gun.
I like that gun too. I got an AR because I'm here and
there's a place called Palmetto State Armory here.
It's A and they're the guy superbased and you can get he wants
to make the AR like R AK. So he's made these $500 ARS that
are indestructible. They're not, you know, they're
not the greatest thing, but they're, they're, they're pretty

(45:18):
awesome and they're, they're guaranteed for life.
So I bought, I just bought his because it was simple.
Just buy it. And you know, I'm not, but I
like, I, I would like to get an AK.
What do you like about it? What's superior about it?
It's just so gangster. Yeah, that's I'm with you.
Do you have a wooden one? Yeah, I don't have one.

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I don't. I don't own it.
An AK? Why not?
I'd like to. I haven't bought, I just didn't
go raunted. Oh, like that's the kind of gun
you like. Just hold up dot dot dot dot
dot. You know what I mean?
That's just that's like one of those kind of guns.
Yeah, the AR is a little. Very accurate.
I mean, yeah, I mean, it's not. You just kind of just shoot
wildly like a shotgun. Yeah, I like that.
I like that. You want to hit something.

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Yeah, yeah. And you can like run through the
freaking throw that thing in a river in the mud and pick it up
just but. You should throw it in the river
because it heats up. Does it just a piece of shit
that works? Yeah, Yeah, it just shoots the
guy. I just want to shoot the guy.
I just want to shoot the zombies, man.
I don't need to have the best gun in the world.

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I just want a gun that works, that shoots the zombies.
That's all I need. What's the deal there?
Can you just like, is it so crazy again?
I don't want to. Is it so, like, wild there?
You can just, like, walk. If somebody comes into your
place, just blow them away and hey, hey, come get this body out
of here. Has it gotten to that point
there? No, it's no, no, no, no, no.
OK. Come drag this guy.
Out here, somewhat civilized. How is it OK?

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But, but I will tell you this, Iwill tell you this, on more than
one occasion, different cops have told me and other people
who who don't know one another that if somebody does break into
our home, don't injure them, kill them.
Really, that's the rule of thumb.

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Interesting. Why are you thinking they just
OK? Because if he's dead they're not
going to have any. He can't say anything.
You go all that and plus the police tend to just they, they
become so jaded. OK, Yeah, it was kind of like
that when I lived in Atlanta. I don't know if what you know
about hot Atlanta, but it was very dangerous city and I used

(47:29):
to work at this club there and Ibecame friends with the cops.
Whatever you think of the government cops and they were
like, they said this almost the exact same thing you just said,
say if you get robbed, kill him because it's less paperwork.
Our private security force is 4 times larger than that of the
police. That sounds awesome.

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Is it better? Oh.
Superior. Far superior.
I think that if I was a cop and I actually wasn't like a
scumbag, I was a serious cop, I would quit the force, get all
the dudes, the the men that I trust and respect, start a

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private security company and go into one of these towns that's
having issues with the cops and say even like a one of these
like ghetto neighborhoods where the cops are not, you know, they
hate the cops for whatever reason.
Say, look, whatever funds you get, direct those funds to us
and hire us and we'll run your streets and there'll be no more
crime and we will work for you. We're not going to work for the

(48:35):
state. We work for you.
And so you can fire us and and it's just like the idea that the
police this we we go over to this in the in Barnum world, the
back the blue. That's another big Barnum
statement. They the idea that cops that are
paid by the government and have pensions.
They, they work for a certain period of time, then they sit on

(48:55):
their ass for the rest of their lives or go get a second job and
they get paid. The idea that they work for you
is just beyond idiotic. I mean just the simple
incentives alone you're going towork for who he pays you.
So they work for the state and that's been proven a million
times and people still can't theright.

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It's all right wingers that havegotten brainwashed into this
back the blue psyop for loving government cops and to protect
and serve to protect and serve. That's the part of statement
they they can't wrap their head around this, that they every
single time the COVID thing was a perfect example.
They all did exactly what they were told to do and the only one
and a few people came and, you know, stood up against them and

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got fired. There's a guy, there was a one
guy that went viral and he said I'm not enforcing this and he
got fired like the next day. Now, the only thing I would say
on that is that we do have a thing called sheriffs here.
We have a sheriff kind of thing and they have a lot of power and
they get elected by the people. So you can get some, you can get
some. There is freedom with the

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sheriff. Where I live, we don't have
cops. We have sheriffs only.
And it's it's this is where I'm at is old school.
Like there's gun stores in everycorner.
I've got it's bikers, real Cowboys.
I've got a rodeo down the street.
And then there's like rich boomers that move up here and
kind of like have like second houses or retire here.

(50:22):
And we don't have police. There's no taxes and it's
pretty, it's pretty based where I'm at, but I'm in a little
pocket, you know, I'm, I'm in, I'm in Phoenix greater, but the
I'm in my own thing. Like the aesthetic here is
completely different in Phoenix.So it's like a little western
town. So you actually like it.
It's really cool here. And so it's like I said.
It's one of the advantages of living here in South Africa.

(50:47):
We have a completely inept, incapable, useless, broken state
and and that's a good thing because it it, it provides a
sense of freedom. Right.
Yeah, Yeah, There's I, You want an inept government.
You want that? That's what I love about South

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America and Latin and Central America.
Is that in Mexico? Is that it is when you say
chaotic, It's just feels freer to me.
You know, I was in when I was inMexico.
I was in when I went to the conference this year and we
stayed in this little beach townin Acapulco.
And it was like a very poor beach town, but it had some cool

(51:29):
little the little hotel was really cool that we stayed at.
But it's right on the ocean. And it's like you go down there,
you can do whatever the hell youwant.
You can build whatever the hell you want and it's completely
free. And the people are so relaxed
and happy, you know, like they've you go out in the
morning, the woman's got like live chickens hanging and like,

(51:51):
it's just whatever you see people just living their lives,
you know, do whatever you want to do, live your life.
But you know, nobody, there's nocrime, there's no crime, there's
no nobody's. You're not, you're not going to
go around and do something to somebody else because you'd be
the they'll all kick the shit out of you and throw you out of
the neighborhood. You know, like everybody's just
living their lives. It's it was a very cool self
organizing kind of thing. And I like, like you're saying

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when they say chaos, that's how they kind of scare us.
It's to me, it's just freedom. It's not so it's not controlled.
You know, it's not this, this, this psyop of safety, safety,
safety safeties. That's really how one of the
ways the state is able to convince people that they should
allow them to control them is this facade of safety, you know?

(52:38):
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If you don't want to go to our website.
It's on most of the major streaming services.
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Just just go to YouTube and typein Barnum World.
Andrew Tregear, thank you for joining me in the trenches all.
Right. Thanks man.