Noochie: Roots, Reinvention, and The Power of the Porch

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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
Last week on Unglossy.

SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Yeah, Mike Love wanted to hire me at WBLS in New
York.
He called me, finally called meback after I sent like six or
seven packages.
I don't, he didn't say I reallydon't.
He said, I don't represent nightjocks because y'all don't make
no money.
But it's something about you, Ithink I'll do this.
I flew into Dallas.
The brothers didn't go crazyover this.
So when I flew to the interview,I get off the plane, I got the

(00:22):
sweatshirt on.
I'm like, hey, I'm ready to goto work, my boy.

SPEAKER_07 (00:25):
It all made sense.

SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
What we doing, my boy?

SPEAKER_08 (00:35):
From the top.

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
I'm Tom Frank.

SPEAKER_08 (00:38):
I'm Jeffrey Switch.
And I'm Buddy.
Welcome to Unglossy.

SPEAKER_02 (00:41):
Real stories, unfiltered dialogue, and the
voices moving culture beyond thegloss of hype and headlines.
So buckle up, Unglossy startsnow.

SPEAKER_03 (00:53):
Alright, folks, we are back for another Unglossy.
And since our last recording,our uh co-host here decided to
drop a whole new album.
Didn't even bring it up, justdropped it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04):
I didn't think this my business was supposed to be
brought up on this show, though.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07):
Business is always part of this show.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09):
I mean, but we got guests that we be having on
here.
So I feel like we're supposedto, you know, build lift them
up, amplify their voice, nottalk about my stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
But let's sneak in a little bit about you.
Tell us a little bit about thealbum release.
How about it?

SPEAKER_07 (01:24):
Yeah, we dropped an album this uh past Friday.
Um album was called Way MoreThrill.
It's the second album from meand the producer Corey Mo.
Uh first album was called MoTrio.
We dropped that in 2022.
And then uh he hit me, you know,probably last summer or so and
was like, you know, you know, westill got some records over
here.
Because I go to Atlanta a lot.
I do a lot of features uh whenI'm in town, so I typically

(01:48):
record them at Corey's house.
And while he got me over there,after I finished doing what I'm
supposed to do, he startedcutting other beats and stuff
on, so I ended up knocking out averse or two.
Next thing you know, he hit melike, yo, you know, we got like
five songs over here.
I was like, five songs.
He was like, Yeah.
Like, you don't want to justfinish up, you know, four or
five more, just knock out analbum.
I really didn't have a goodexcuse to say no.

(02:08):
So I just went ahead and knockedhim out, you know, hit up some
of the homies, you know, some ofthe you know, the usual suspects
like Ball and G, Jazzy Faye, youknow what I'm saying, Juicy J,
Project Pat.
But then we reached out to thenext generation as well.
So we had like, you know, MonaLeo on the record, LaRussell uh
is on the record.
And um, we just wanted to puttogether a nice mix of artists.

(02:31):
You know, this this wasn'tnecessarily done for money.
I just, you know, I like to stayactive in the space and um, you
know, work with people I like towork with.
That's the beauty of not beingon a record label anymore, no
disrespect, Jeff.
But I'm not a I don't work on alabel no more neither.
Well, I was that was a that wasa jive joke.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(02:52):
It's all good.
But but nah, but I like thefreedom to be able to create how
I like to, with who I want to,uh how I want to, when I want
to.
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
So we're pretty good freedoms to have right now.

SPEAKER_07 (03:04):
No, no, we we get a lot of great freedom.
And you know, I like to workwith people that you know look
still like to create, you know,guys like Ball and G, you know,
we've both been here for like32, 33 years, and you know, we
still like making music, westill like contributing to the
culture.
So it's always fun to call them.
I got Juicy and Project Pat onthe song together, so I got both

(03:26):
the brothers, you know what I'msaying?
So, you know, we're just havingfun.
We're just putting thingstogether, having fun, and put
together a release party in thein Houston after doing a couple
weeks of promo in New York andAtlanta, and you know, had a lot
of friends and family come upand you know, had some fun.
I cooked some burgers forpeople.
And when they saw that, youknow, first it was kind of like

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private and closed off.
And then like when peoplestarted seeing the burgers,
everybody started like trying toget in line and get in the
business.
I said, I said, fuck it, letthem in.
Those are consumers.
Let them come in, hear thealbum.
You know, if it takes a burgerto draw them in, that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we enjoyed it.
And uh the album's out rightnow, everywhere.
Way more trail.

(04:07):
Am I allowed to promoteself-promote?
You're allowed to promote it.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (04:12):
If you don't do it, we're gonna do it for you.

SPEAKER_07 (04:14):
I don't want to throw the unglossy algorithm
off.
Talking about music.
It'll it'll enhance thealgorithm.
That's the bet.
So yeah, it's everywhere.
It's everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
It is out there everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 (04:26):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
Well, hey, speaking of freedom, we got a good guest
on today.
I'm gonna start from the topperhere.
Some ideas come from studios,agencies, or long whiteboards
covered in arrows.
And then some ideas they comefrom the front porch.
Literally.
Today's guest took one of theoldest community spaces in
America and turned it into oneof the freshest formats on the
internet.

(04:47):
Live from the front porch ispart conversation, part time
capsule, part block symphony.
It's honest without being messy,intimate without being invasive,
and somehow gives you the soulof a neighborhood in under 10
minutes.
So today we're breaking down howit started, why it hit so hard,
and where this new wave of porchborne storytelling is headed.
Pull up a chair.
This is on Glossy, and todaywe're welcoming Nucci.

SPEAKER_06 (05:11):
How are you, sir?
That was that was tight.
That was a little mobile.
You like that?
That was nice.

SPEAKER_03 (05:17):
I try to get you on good.
You are a DC guy, which I'malready, I'm already down with
you.

SPEAKER_04 (05:22):
I appreciate it.
I gotta play that before I comeout on stage or something.

SPEAKER_03 (05:26):
It is yours to use, it's yours to use.

SPEAKER_04 (05:28):
No, for sure, man.
I appreciate it, man.
Good good seeing y'all fellas,man.
Appreciate you, Tom, Jeff, Bun,man, OG.
Salute, man, first and foremost.
Congratulations on the newproject.
Thank you.
Definitely, definitely need tobe spoken on, for sure.
I I uh just not too much uhabout what I'm doing already
before we get into it, but my mywhole thing is highlighting, you

(05:51):
know what I'm saying, legendslike you and making sure that in
this social media era that, youknow what I'm saying, they
reminded that uh hip hop ain'tgot no age on it, and that uh
music that you created beforeain't old, it's a masterpiece,
just like the Mona Lisa or orsomething like that.
They don't call that.
I ain't never heard nobody callthat old.
So it's a it's an art piece too.
So, you know what I'm saying?

(06:12):
Salute, keep keep going.

SPEAKER_03 (06:13):
That's a good way to put it.

SPEAKER_04 (06:14):
I love that.
I love how you did that.
But you gotta play that beforeyou come on stage.
I need a verse.
Yeah, I know, right?
I need a verse on something.
That's a bit.

SPEAKER_07 (06:23):
That's a bit.

SPEAKER_04 (06:26):
That's how for those that don't know, that's how the
post got started.
Just me freestyling on the postby myself.
So talk about it, talk about it,talk about it.
Talk about it.
This came when you time youspeak of freedom.
I was in the process of leavinga uh a record, a record deal,
and just unsure about how I wasgonna do it if uh if if the
record label wasn't the answer,and then I just went out there,

(06:47):
I said, I just want to be heardand unfiltered and without
having to call nobody and andfast forward, here we are.

SPEAKER_03 (06:55):
So before we dive deep into the porch though, you
gotta give us a little bit ofyour backstory.
Like you're a DC kid, like wherehow did you get into music?
What what where'd the love ofmusic come from?

SPEAKER_04 (07:05):
Man, first and foremost, my dad, one way booby,
free booby.
I say that at the end of everyepisode on the porch.
My dad was uh, you know, DC is ago-go town.
So doing hip-hop in DC wasn'treally nobody was excited about
that.
Like that was like going againstthe grain.
So in like the early 2000s, like2000, 2001, he had dropped a

(07:26):
project called One Way Up.
And it was like the equivalentto like what I would call like
it was Booby and the YoungFarmers.
It's a group of uh other otherrappers from an area called
Barry Farms.
It's like uh Barry Hood in DC.
They got this this way, thiswhere the porch even gets its
origin from.
But Booby and Young Farmers,they dropped a project called

(07:48):
One Way Up, and this is at thetime like the equivalent to
explaining the street life of DCthe same way NWA did.
Same way UG, the same wayOutcast explained Atlanta.
Like it was so vivid to me atsuch a young age, and like I'm
around all this, but I'm theyoung dude around.
I'm like, I'm the I'm his son.

(08:08):
So it's like he ain't gonna putme, I ain't gonna be thrown in
the shit, in the fire.
So it's like I'm just got afront row seat to it.
I got a front row seat to allthe action, all the uh the real
life that's happening.
Everything that they're talkingabout in the songs, I can see
where how it got in the song,you know what I'm saying?
So it's like to see music betranslated like that, or like a

(08:32):
story be translated like that atsuch an early age, it's like,
okay, it kind of prompts theidea of storytelling and
understanding what hip hopreally is and and what it's
about, is about expression.
Like they weren't necessarilydoing it for money either at the
time.
It was more so like for real,like my dad was on the run when
he started when he startedriding.
Like, this was to to to makesomething else happen, make some

(08:54):
shape.
So, and it and it and it shook.
And he made an impact, and hewas like the first person from
DC to be on 106 and Park or uhuh MTV James Rap City, uh also
uh having features where like hebringing juvenile to the city,
bringing uh Scarface and GucciMan and uh Juicy J and uh uh uh

(09:19):
uh uh collab mixtace with DJKyle and Don Kahn and you know
what I'm saying, all them folksearly at the time where it's
like this is unheard of forsomebody in DC to be bringing
all this action to the city.

SPEAKER_07 (09:30):
Nucle, let me ask you a question.
While while your daddy and hisgroup was making this music and
doing these features, you saidhe was on the run.
Did the community know he was onthe run and just was quiet about
it?
Nah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:43):
Nobody knew.
Well, this was this was likeearly when he first got when he
first got started in it.
By the time he was doing allthat, this ain't this no longer
a thing.
Like it's newspapers and likeit's newspapers and stuff you
can see, but he was he wasn'tcharged with nothing at the
time.
He got it, he was acquitted forwhatever he was wanting to run.
But this is like 2000, this isearly, late 90s, early 2000s.

(10:04):
By the time he was doing thesefeatures with Juicy J and collab
with like DJ Kyler, this is like06, 07, 08, 09, and like the
juicy, I remember him doing uhsomething, the Juicy J Jump.
That was probably like 2012,maybe.

SPEAKER_07 (10:19):
How old were you when all this was going on,
Nucci?
When you see it.

SPEAKER_04 (10:22):
I was a senior in high school in 2012.
2013.
I graduated 2013.

SPEAKER_07 (10:28):
So like you caught the bug by then?

SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Oh, for sure.
I was I caught it way beforelike I was I was doing it way
before, like way before.
I just ain't tell nobody.
So like I just waited till Iused to go to my cousin's house
and be rapping with my cousinwhile he eat and my my little
brother Carto, and we just berapping on Audacity on the
little USB mic on the computerand shit.
And you know what I'm saying,just having fun with it.

(10:51):
And you know what I'm saying?
And then uh it came a pointwhere we moved, my dad, he's
chasing the music, so we movedto Atlanta in like 08.08, we
moved to Atlanta.
So like middle school, eighthgrade, ninth grade, I'm in
Atlanta.
And uh I'm really I'm now my mywhole shit just changed.
Going from Go Go and like just,you know what I'm saying?

(11:13):
They idolized Scarface out here,they idolize UGK, they idolize
uh Devin the Dude, they uh likeit's a lot of trick Tupac, like
to go now.
I'm going to Atlanta.
And this is like the height oflike Gucci Man, no pad or pencil
mixed these on like no pad orpencil stuff.
So it's mixed tapes.
Every week I'm going to school.
You got that new Gucci, bro?
You got that new Gucci, bro?

(11:37):
It's a double Gucci.
I'm like, all right, cool.
But it's also like that superfuturistic, that uh, the album
that uh Metro just dropped.
Yeah.
It was like that era of that'sthe time where I lived in
Atlanta.
So at the same time, I justmoved down here.
I don't really know about DC.
I got a new balance.
They're like, what the fuck yougot on, boy?
Like, just let me balance, youdon't know nothing about like

(12:00):
what the fuck you talking about?
But at the same time, I'm sodisconnected and we went so
abrupt that I'm like, man, 90%of the time, I got headphones
in.
I'm listening to music.
So like around that time, andeven like as we moved, like I
got in trouble before we beforewe moved down there.
I had to cut my head andeverything.
And then like me and my dad justdriving down there at Dolo, and

(12:21):
I'm in a I'm in a van with him,and like we literally just
stopped and got some like someCD from like the gas station or
some shit.
And uh, and it was the radio wasbroke, so all we had was the two
CDs in the car, go all the wayto Atlanta.
So it was uh he had reasonabledoubt in there already.
Okay.
And then so far gone was withthe what we just bought.

(12:45):
Okay.
So the whole ride, I'mlistening, so we listen to over
and over and over.
We listen to Reasonable Doubtfirst, and I'm like, I'm like,
I'm probably like seventh grade,what's that like 13, 14, maybe
something like that?
And I'm listening to ReasonableDoubt, and I'm like, I feel like
watching a movie.
I feel like watching likeScarface, it feels like watching

(13:06):
one of the movies at a youngage, and like I don't know
everything he's talking about,but I done grew up around them
and listen, everything they wastalking about.
So it's it's a bunch of shitthat I could put together.
But like, uh I sold it all fromcrack to OPM.
I was like, what the fuck isOPM?
I was like, what the fuck?
So I was like, you know what I'msaying?
Like early on.

SPEAKER_07 (13:26):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 (13:27):
So I'm like, I'm like, as I'm sitting there
rapping it not knowing, but I'mlike, okay, um it's visual.
And then all right, reasonabledoubt go off, and we put Sofar
Gone on.
And this is like early, this isthe first Drake jump.
So it's like we don't even knowthat this dude about to be this
dude for real, for real.
You know what I'm saying, in acertain way.
And like to hear uh Sofar Goneand like get the same feeling,

(13:49):
but more like this is morerelatable.
I could, I could, I did he'sdoing the same thing he was just
doing, but it's like more uh Iwouldn't say surface level, but
more age appropriate to whereI'm at.
But still painting a picture of,alright, he's still older than
me, so it's still certain thingsthat I ain't experienced yet,
but it's still relatable towhere I'm at in life too.
So like at that time, I'm like,alright, and damn near on that

(14:14):
ride and then going to Atlantaand just listening to the music
all the time, I'm like, alright,you know what I'm saying?
But you on the out, you knowwhat I'm saying?
So that's that's you know whatI'm saying, that's even crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (14:23):
That is crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:25):
And uh get to Atlanta, like, alright, that
same time period, what else comeout?
Uh Wale, more about nothing.
I'm already heavy while from DC.
And uh what else?
Uh Cushion Orange Juice, uhFriday Night Lights, J.
Cole, uh Kid Named Cuddy, uh NoSillings, uh Big Sean, uh uh The

(14:51):
Blue Jump, the uh finally famousthree, I think.
And it's like them like heavy inrotation for me.
Like, like I'm listening to themall the time, and like I'm like,
alright, this is what I want todo.
I want like I feel like I'm Ifeel like I don't even know
them.
I ain't met none of them.
And I feel like I know theseniggas.
So I'm like, alright, that'swhere maximum altitude as an
artist you done reached.

(15:12):
Like, you don't gotta meet amotherfucker and they know you.
You could just they hear yourvoice, you done told your story
so much, and you know what I'msaying, to where you just say
your ad lib before your versestart, and they already know
what's about to happen.

SPEAKER_06 (15:23):

SPEAKER_04 (15:24):
It's like, that's alright, that's the level I want
to achieve with this shit.
And this is early on.
This is before I even told mydad I wanted to rap.

SPEAKER_07 (15:32):
I would I was just for the say, so you trying to
figure out exactly what yourvoice is gonna be and what
exactly you're gonna represent,because you got the whole aspect
of it, which is, you know,aspirational and you know,
growing up being a baller and aboss and all of these type of
things, and you know, you'restill listening to guys that are
still on the come up and all ofthis stuff.

(15:53):
Um, then you get to Atlanta,which is its own individual
scene, separate from everythingelse that's doing.
And in the midst of all of thismusic and all of this culture
coming together, this is whereNucci finds his voice in music.

SPEAKER_04 (16:07):
For sure.
And then even to even furfurther that, like, back to the
balls aspect of it.
Like my dad, it went from Boobyand the Young Farmers to the Oi
Boys.
And that was because they wasgonna uh the label they made was
called One Way Records, and theywas gonna call it One Way
Records.
They they tried to solidifythat, but the the the band One
Way that didn't be.

(16:28):
One way, yeah.
Uh I mean Cutie Pie?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
They had it already.
So they took the first letterand the last letter uh one way
and made it OI Boys.
And then that was that's howthat started.
And then uh, but my dad waspretty much the CEO.
Like he ran that, and his hispartner Chu uh wanted uh he
rapped with another group andthey came together and they

(16:50):
pretty much uh eventually when Itold my dad that I wanted to
rap, like this is like post,this is post-Alanta, so like
after ninth grade, we moved backup to DC.
And so like a 10th through 12th,I'm like, I'm just sharpening
that motherfucker.
Like, I'm just like, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Cause I done already told him,like, hey, I'm This is what you

(17:13):
wanted to do.

SPEAKER_07 (17:14):
Like, I think he just seen a lot more than most
of the people that you grew upwith.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (17:19):
Sure.
And I I equate it to like DaleCurry and Steph Curry.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
So like you grew up on thecourse side, like all the tools
is there.
Like, I grew up in the studio,you know what I'm saying?
Like, by the time like I'm aboutto graduate, like my mom wanted
me to go to college, I'm like, Ialready know what I want to do.

SPEAKER_03 (17:38):
Like, you know how you know what you want to do and
you know how to do it.

SPEAKER_04 (17:40):
You're about to waste money.
You sending me to college, youknow what I'm saying, or try to
do something.
We're about to make it a fewtimes.
Money and time.
So we'll come right back.
Exactly.
I literally got to the pointwhere I was like in this, in the
school, signing up for like Itook the placement test and
everything.
I was literally signing up forthe classes.
I'm in there on the computerpicking the classes.

(18:01):
Yeah.
And I'm like, I'm like, man.

SPEAKER_03 (18:04):
What are you doing?

SPEAKER_04 (18:05):
Fuck this shit.
And got like I stood up, walkedout that jump.
I called my mother, I was like,hey, I can't do this.
This ain't mind you, like, I wasgreat in school, like, you know
what I'm saying?
Like, I should have went tocollege, like I'm saying, based
off how I did in school, but itwas just like I already knew
what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_03 (18:21):
Like, I told him what college were you sitting in
there picking the classes forit.

SPEAKER_04 (18:25):
It was like a community college, you know what
I'm saying?
Because I wasn't even trying to,I ain't even apply to nothing
like that I could have.
I was like, that ain't what I'mwasting time.
So I I had a conversation withmy dad, and we ended up, I went
up going to uh, it's a studio inuh in Falls Church called uh uh
Q Recordings.

SPEAKER_06 (18:44):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
And they they didn't did like Michael Jackson shit in
there, Bruno Mars and Mary J.
Bly's like rock star shit inthat jump.
And they got a course for likeaudio engineering.
And I went and I took the coursefor audio engineering, and mind
you, I like I said, I grew up inthe studio.
I already knew like the thebasics of it.
So like this was like mesharpening it, me getting
certified in it.
It's like now, shit, I can runthe studio, charge niggas studio

(19:08):
time, and you know what I'msaying, that could be my that
could be my shit, and you knowwhat I'm saying, until whatever
happened, happened, you knowwhat I'm saying?
That way I can still be in thestudio, I can still be wherever
I want, and you know what I'msaying, keep the shit in my
pocket.
So I'm like, all right, bet.
And I'm certified.
I got this plaque right here, Ican charge you more, nigga.
So it's like you know what I'msaying?
And fast uh after that, uh uharound what's that like 2012,

(19:35):
like the end of 2012, beginningof 2013, like I literally put
like my first piece of piece ofmusic out, like for like the
world to know like I'm here andexisting to making music.
And like I was still in highschool, like we put that shit on
World Style.
My dad, my dad, I I skipped thepart.
Once I told my dad I wanted todo the shessuries, he had he put
me with my my man Ryan.
It's the dude who uh wheelchairSnoop took.

SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
Oh we're gonna get to that.

SPEAKER_04 (19:58):
Yeah, we're gonna get to that shit.
But Ryan, I know Ryan since likeI was going from high school to
Ryan House recording till it wastime to go back to school again.
Like, and then you know what I'msaying, every damn near every
every day, every week, you knowwhat I'm saying?
So he's like, man, we justgotta, you know what I'm saying,
we'll be you know what I'msaying, just get with them to
y'all, see what happens.

(20:19):
Gotta put something out.
Exactly.
So fast forward to the uh it wasa video called Gotta Go.
We put it out on WorldStar.
This was like 2012 or 20, yeah,2012, 2013.
And like on WorldStar at thetime, I'm expecting like a bunch
of hating ass comments, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Maybe a couple thousand views,you know what I'm saying, some
something.
That shit had like a hundredthousand something by lunch.

SPEAKER_07 (20:42):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (20:43):
And the comments was like, hey, this fire, dude.
Broke a project out.
Who this?
This meek mill looking nicenigga, who is this?
Like it was it was a bunch, itwas so buzz shit, but like
mostly it was like, I was like,hey, oh, they made it.

SPEAKER_07 (20:57):
Let me ask you something, Nucci.
I I I understand why you get thesupport and backing from your
dad.
But how was your mom taking itas?
Because like you said, youdecided not to go to college and
she sees you doing the samething your daddy did.
Did she does she feel like,well, at least he'll be doing
this with his daddy, or this isexactly what I didn't want this

(21:19):
boy to do?
Good question.
So what was the last part?
It went out.
I say, is this something thatshe looked at it like, well, at
least he's gonna be with hisdaddy doing this music, or was
she like, nah, this was the lastthing I wanted this child to be
doing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:34):
Well, I say, I say early on, like, I love a part.
Like, I'm the oldest of five.
My mother and my father, theywas together pretty much to,
they ain't together now, butlike pretty much I was grown.
So I already had the early, Iwas third, I called myself the
third parent.
Like, I was taking the kids thefootball practice, like I got a
license early just so I could doshit for them.
Like it wasn't for me, you knowwhat I'm saying?

(21:55):
It was gonna be oh, I could gotake the kids the football
practice to the doctor, help mylittle brother out.
Like my youngest brother wasborn with a uh a heart murmur.
He had a hole in his heart.
So it was like a lot, it was alot of shit, you know what I'm
saying, that he had, he needed,you know what I'm saying?
Like, he couldn't even like hegot fed through a tube when he
was a baby.
So it was like it was a lot ofshit I had to do early on.
So it was like, I wasn't neverreally in no position to where

(22:18):
it's like I was gonna be on therun, you know what I'm saying?
It was more so like I took thethe the like my dad knew what to
put in front of me.
Let me say that.
And my mother, she identifiedthat, and she also like she a
gangster too.
Like, if she like if she walkedif she was in here right now
seeing you on this jump, shestarts reciting some lyrics,

(22:40):
like right now.

SPEAKER_07 (22:42):
Hey boy was raised right, I love it.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:45):
She be like, man, she be at all the porches.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
She be at every jump.
So at every show, like she shesuper she've been supportive
too.
Like, even not doing like Idon't even remember I blacked
out so so hard walking out thatschool, like I don't even
remember how that conversationwent.
Like, I don't remember what Ilike I just told her I couldn't
do, and then like I just knew Ihad to this one it.

(23:06):
But she been she been supersupportive, like no matter what.
And it trickled down intoeverybody for real, for real.

SPEAKER_03 (23:12):
So you put up that song, people are loving it.
What does you said that you weresigned with a label at one
point?
How how did how did that howdoes that come about?

SPEAKER_04 (23:22):
Okay, so after we put this song out, this is like
2013, February 2013, we gettingthe good comments, and my man
Ryan, I was telling you aboutthat was recording me.
He was like, We got we gottafinish the product.
Ask it for a project, we gottaput something together.
So I end up like, my goal isFebruary.
I graduate in like June.

(23:43):
So I'm like, shit, I'm trying toget signed for I graduate.
Fuck it.
Like that was that was my mymindset.
I was like, I'm gonna get signedfor I graduate.
Let's go.
I'm so I'm gonna go even harderin the studio.
And then we put a project outcalled rookie season.
Man, I had this I had the wholeschool wearing my shirts and
shit in the school.
My dad helped me get some shirtsprinted up with the cover on it.

(24:04):
I got the cover made, like itwas, it was so much, you know
what I'm saying, into it likewith school super support.
Like I had my first show at likeuh uh Crystal Skating Rink in
Maryland.
And uh like the whole I ain'tgonna say the whole school
porter, but it was like A lot ofthe school came.

SPEAKER_03 (24:22):
That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 (24:23):
Damn, like to this day, like people remember that,
you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And that was like still havethose t-shirts.

SPEAKER_07 (24:29):
Nah, I just seen some people they faded like a
motherfucker, but I just when Ihear people talk about actually
putting music out while they inschool, I couldn't imagine how
famous somebody could actuallybe walking the halls of a high
school having a song out thatpeople outside of the high

(24:52):
school like, but they could havebeen your first like critics.

SPEAKER_03 (24:57):
They could have been the first one to be like this
ain't.

SPEAKER_04 (25:01):
That's what I assumed would happen.
Like the fact that it was anypositive feedback, I was like,
that's all I needed.
My motherfucker said, hey, thisshit's hard, nigga.
I'd have been like, all right,bet, cool.
That's all I need to know.
Somebody say that.

SPEAKER_07 (25:12):
I'm on it now.

SPEAKER_04 (25:13):
But me and you think it, it's probably a million
other people that think it too.
There's enough people out here.
Somebody think it.
Like, so once we did that, I uhI didn't get signed before I
graduated at all.
You know, uh but I did getreached out to by some folks in
Atlanta.
Uh uh, I start working with my Idon't really like saying his
name in interviews because itain't in well.

(25:34):
But I don't have to match it.
I get it, I get it.
Because I've because I've doneit, I've done it before, and I,
People say stuff to me about it,and it's like, I feel like it's
part of the story, but it'slike, nah, I don't give no
credit.

SPEAKER_07 (25:47):
We we we understand Jeff and I spent many years in
the music business, and we knowhow these things work sometimes.
It's just not a good mix.
People see the buzz.
You know, a big part of usgetting signed when we were
coming up was because we were wehad a buzz and we had
everything.
So they knew we had fans and themusic was popular.

(26:07):
Yep.
So they wanted to be connectedto it, but they didn't really
understand the culture behindit.
And they did their best, Jeffdid his best, Dave and those
guys, and you know, but we justcouldn't, we couldn't explain
it.
It was a culture we representedthat couldn't be just explained
if you didn't see it.

SPEAKER_08 (26:25):
Yeah, you had to live it.
You had to live it.
Same thing with DC, you gottayou gotta know that backwards
and forwards.
Like it was telling you I hadbeen spent a lot of time in DC
at one point because I reallyhad to figure it out, you know,
because there's so much going onthere.
If you're not in it, you don'tget it, you won't be able to
promote it.

SPEAKER_03 (26:40):
And and and Jeffrey, you you had to be there around
this same time.
Where were you?
Why why didn't Jiv get a hold ofuh Nucci?
Nucci.

SPEAKER_08 (26:48):
Actually, we had we had an RB artist um that that is
still going now.
We had Raheem Devon.
So we had an RB art.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:56):
Shout out to Raim.
That's that's that's fan rightthere.
That's Raheem Devon, my dad waslike super.
Like I think Raheem was a kid,you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 (27:06):
Mm-hmm.
Jerry and Cliff and all themcats.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
I was there, bro.
And we actually we we werecorded most of that.
Um, you mentioned it in an uhinterview I watched.
We recorded Raheem's album andum Kevin, Stacy Ladisau's
husband at the studio.
I forget the name of the studionow, but yeah, but so I that's

(27:27):
why, because we was with Raheemand I missed the rapper Cast
Philip Day and some other catsdown there, but was a yeah for
that.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
He was on R Day project too, bro.
Uh-huh.
Everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 (27:42):
Yeah, no, I was I was I was outside back in those
days.
Uh as it was a version of me Iwasn't proud of, uh, to be
honest, because there's certainthings that people do in DC that
they also did in Houston at thetime.
Oh, yeah.
I know the time.
So you know, I wasn't I wasn'tstriving as high as I should

(28:03):
have been.
No, I understand back then.
But but but Lucci spoke to it,man.
Like the relationship that DCand Houston has is really,
really crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (28:15):
Because I never realized there was a lot of
things.

SPEAKER_07 (28:18):
Like DC is on the East Coast, but culturally,
they're not they're not EastCoast like like derivative, I
would say.
Because DC dudes and New Yorkdudes are very close, like in
proximity.

SPEAKER_06 (28:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (28:33):
Right in mileage, but they are totally different,
like they consider DC peopledown south.
Yeah, which is crazy to me.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 (28:44):
If I go to New York, they've got to be able to do
that.
D.C.

SPEAKER_07 (28:46):
would identify more with the South than with the
East Coast.
But I remember the first time Iwent to DC, like, and this is
the thing that a lot of peopledon't understand.
We did a sh we did two, we hadto, we they booked us for a
show, but we had to do twoshows.
So we did one show downstairs.
It was a two-story club.

(29:06):
We did one story, one showdownstairs, all rap, like the
album version of everything, theradio, all of that stuff.
And then about an hour later, wehad to go upstairs and do it
with Junkyard.
And do go-go versions of everysong I just did.

unknown (29:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Did you do a go-go version of it?

SPEAKER_07 (29:26):
Yes, of every song.
The whole place fell like LoveBoat.
And you really love boat, loveboat.
Jesus.
I'm just being transparent here.
It's real.
It's real.
But I really understood the citybecause it was like, yeah, we're
gonna let you get your rap shitoff.
We're gonna let you do what dothat.
But like I had a I had a twohour sound check because I had

(29:50):
to go through the stuff that wedid.
Yeah, and then I had to go withthe band and figure out how they
wanted to do it.
Because they not even reallyrecreating my song.
Like I'm rapping to a go-gobeat.
It's not a go-go version.
You rap a number of people.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So you got to rehearse it withthe band.

SPEAKER_04 (30:09):
Did somebody tell you that?
Did somebody tell you thatbefore you did it?
Or did you just find out likethat?

SPEAKER_07 (30:14):
Nah, nah.
Do something go-go.
But I'm sorry.
We didn't realize that we weregoing to do like the whole
thing.

SPEAKER_04 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (30:25):
Nah, they said that we're going to have to do at
least we're going to have to dothis twice.
And we didn't really understandit.
And Big G called me and Big Gkind of talked to me about it.
About how to really navigatethese things.
And then once he once he talkedus through that, like, look,
man, the big homie said, We gotyou, Joe G.
Don't overthink it.
Just do the song.

(30:46):
Y'all gonna be alright.
And uh man, it was it was abeautiful night, but I
understood the city so muchdifferent after that.

SPEAKER_04 (30:55):
It's a it's a it's a very specific place.
And uh back to the Houston, D.C.
connection.
Like my dad and Paul Wall, like,like this.
Like my first time in Houstonwas Paul picked me up from the
airport, and I stayed, I stayedat his at a studio.
Uh, I forgot where it's even at,but the little junk with the
barriers around it.

SPEAKER_07 (31:15):
Yeah, he got he got a it's a residential studio.

SPEAKER_04 (31:18):
Yeah, like I was I was and it's similar to it's
literally similar to my setup.
You know, I ain't got thebarriers, but it's it's similar,
but my dad and Paul go way back.
They got like records.
Me and me and Paul got records.
Like I recorded in his crib thatday, like that's that's that's
family, like, you know what I'msaying?
For real.
And uh back to the uh me goingto Atlanta with redacted and uh

(31:42):
uh redacted uh redactedidentified that I had uh some
talent and we had someconnections and we uh for for
the simple connection for justfor understanding of what
redacted is uh no scrubs, uhbills, bills, bills, uh Hensync

(32:03):
uh is a producer.
Yeah, I know I know you talkabout now.
Yeah, and you know what I'msaying?
Like, I pretty much, my dad andhis business partner too, and
they pretty much identify like,all right, if we want to keep
this music going, it's like2013.
It's like I didn't put outprobably like two, probably put
out like two projects by thistime.

(32:24):
I did a project called RookieSeason and Sophomore Slump.
So like I ain't get I ain't getit by when I graduated, but got
reached out to by this GrammyAward winner producer at the
time that, you know what I'msaying, St.
Potential, and pretty much theylike, all right, this is the
college you're going to.
You're going to, you're goingback to Atlanta for for college
now, for music.
That's what it felt like.
So now I'm I'm down thereliving, I'm living in the

(32:45):
studio.
Like I'm in there every day.
Like uh Jazzy Faye in there, uhSouth.
The first day I go in there,Southside and TM88 in there
cooking up for Juicy J and BigSean, and the room smoked out,
I'm like, oh, I'm here.
Because prior to that, like, I'mI've only seen my dad in them
studio, and like studios that Ibooked, and like, you know what
I'm saying, like the this thislike what the pinnacle is in DC.

(33:09):
Like, DC ain't really got theit's go-go, you know what I'm
saying?
So, like, we ain't got that muchmusic history.
Like, I just my dad, Danny, wasone of the first people to even
break through to for people totake rap series in DC.
To the point where he get toWale, and you know what I'm
saying, like, even he had toinfiltrate with Gogo.
Like, it's it's it's it took alot.

(33:30):
So by me seeing Atlanta, it's awhole different atmosphere.
And Atlanta's like a crazyplace, but to go from DC to
Atlanta, like these two are theblackest places in the world.

SPEAKER_06 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:41):
And it was like a culture shock, but it was also
like, I've been here beforealready.
I already know how Atlantaworks.
Right.
So thank you.
Right.
I know where I'm going, you knowwhat I'm saying?
I know people, you know what I'msaying?
Like, but this time it's like,it's all fuck school, it's all
music shit.
Like, I mean, it's motherfuckergot me writing verses eight
times after I thought the firstone was tight, redoing the

(34:02):
hooks.

SPEAKER_03 (34:03):
Like, so it's becoming a real business for you
now rather than just what youlove.

SPEAKER_04 (34:08):
I mean, but it's just, I was all my work at it
was already like that.
But it's like just to hearsomebody, like now you're
getting produced.
It's not just you doing it.
Like, it's not like understandthat this is the sound, the song
structure.
Understand putting this hookright here, this verse is intro.
Talk right here.
Say this like this, pronunciateit like that.
Think about like what if theydon't know if they can't
understand you.
Make sure they can understandwhat the fuck you're saying.

(34:30):
Like, uh, and like to this day,like that's one of the the
biggest compliments I get, like,from certain people, they be
like, man, I can I can I canunderstand what you're saying.
And it's like, you posted.

SPEAKER_06 (34:40):
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:41):
That was, you know what I'm saying?
That was something that wasthought about.
And uh just buildingrelationships.
And like to this day, like, thatme and I don't fuck with
redactor no more, but literallyeverybody else is like a phone
call away.
Like, I've I made so many goodrelationships and so many people
that I came across that to thisday have been like super
impactful.
It's like, shout out my man Doe.

(35:02):
Doe, you know what I'm saying?
He did, you know what I'msaying, so much.
Like, he he worked with uh mySean and he worked with uh uh
Big U as well.
And uh he uh pretty much waslike when me and redacted wasn't
eye to eye, this was the personwho was like, all right, it
makes sense to still do this,you know what I'm saying?
And eventually, I like I puteverybody on game, like this

(35:22):
motherfucker trip.
You gotta give a fuck about it.
Like, ain't nobody here.
Y'all gotta come see this shitfor yourself.
Fast forward, everybody seen itfor themselves.
Fast forward, redacted and solda studio.
He live in another country.

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SPEAKER_03 (36:23):
And now, back to the show.

SPEAKER_08 (36:25):
But you know what?
I like, I like, I mean, not nottrying to skip too far ahead,
but I do like that all theserelationships that you are
building, like even with thepeople you said, you know, Wale
and Sean and all those guys, nowlike with the front porch joint,
like there kind of loops backaround.
Because now you're able to helpthem out.
You know what I mean?
And I and not not on somecharity shit, but just like, yo,

(36:45):
I got this platform and I couldbring you on and whiz, but I've
seen, you know, and all thesepeople that that's that's that's
incredible to me.

SPEAKER_07 (36:51):
If you about say if you listen, like I was a fan
first.
And now hip hop is what youwanted it to be, right?
Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03 (36:59):
So let's speak to the the front porch.
So, because I think you saidsomething pretty interesting
when we first started.
You wanted your music still tobe heard, so you walked out on
your front porch.
Now, obviously, I've tried towalk out on my front porch and
sing and nobody listens.
Somehow something worked foryou.
How how did this thing start?
Like, what is it as simple asyou walked out on your front

(37:19):
porch?

SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
Nah, it's not it's not that simple at all.
After my Atlanta uh situation, Ihad a record with Jazzy Faye and
uh with Rich Army Kwan.
I ended up doing while I wasdown there, called One Day and a
record with Rich Army Kwan, restin peace.
Uh it's called uh Confidence.
And I ended up getting asituation with Atlantic and uh
working with uh Omas Keith.

(37:42):
Omas Keith was the one thatbrought me to Atlantic.
His brother with Nay is he heheard the records and then
connected me with Omas and thenfast forward, we end up on
Atlantic, and I'm in Hollywood,kind of doing the same thing
that I did in Atlanta with Omasnow.
But it's like a way, you knowwhat I'm saying?
I'm it's like it went from TM88in Southside to now Nigo is just

(38:03):
popping up in the studio,Anderson Pack.
I mean Chad Hugo, not Nigo, ChadHugo is in the studio.
Anderson Pack, uh Jeff Giddy,like I'm I'm saying meeting him
in his in his infant stage andlike uh Georgia Smith, and then
we go to Dr.
Dre studio and Oman is likeducking Dr.
Dre.
I'm like, damn, this is the typeof environment.

(38:24):
Like, why are you ducking Dr.
Dre?
It's like, cause you do so much,you do so, it's like I'm it's a
different level of work now thatit's like I want this shit to
come out if I'm you know whatI'm saying?
Like that was that was histhing.
But uh to experience that waslike, oh, this shit about to
happen.
I felt like that in Atlanta too.
Like I plugged back to DC untilthis happened.

(38:45):
Then now I'm in Hollywood doingthis, and then the Atlantic
situation, I ain't reallygetting support of the label
like that, and it's like I don'treally know what's causing it.
I ain't even really trying tofind out.
I'm just still on my path, soI'm gonna go do something.
And then me and Omas, we stillgot a great relationship, but I
didn't find that it wasn't whatwe wanted to, it wasn't going
how we wanted to.
So we end up, I end up goingback home again.

(39:06):
And I'm like, man, how the fuckevery time this shit seems like
about to happen, I get back,plucked back to this mother.
Like, why am I getting shown thebest of the best, top best
studios, all you putting allthese damn grimies in my face,
all these, you know what I'msaying, plaques, all this money,
all like I can't touch, and youknow what I'm saying?
All these dicks going down andshit.
It's like, oh, oh, oh, I gottado it in these, I gotta do it at

(39:27):
home.

SPEAKER_05 (39:28):
Uh DC.

SPEAKER_04 (39:30):
There it is.
Yeah.
I gotta do it at home.
You just showed me all thisshit.

SPEAKER_07 (39:34):
Universe, universe, universe has shown you what to
do.

SPEAKER_04 (39:37):
Yeah, I gotta show you.

SPEAKER_07 (39:39):
But they've also shown you that you can't do it
here.
Because if you do it here in LA,there's things that come with
things in LA.
If you do it in Love, this ain'tyour own.

SPEAKER_04 (39:50):
A lot of these things become very how you got
that H on, like, that's that'sthe part.
Even all the artists, uh all theartists I was talking about in
the car, Drake, Toronto, Ho, NewYork, Wale, DC, uh, Wiz,
Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh.
Uh everybody from Atlanta,Atlanta.
Like for Rick Ross, Miami, likeanybody, Kendrick Compton,

(40:11):
anybody who is somebody or whois, you know what I'm saying,
supposed to be championed by thewhole culture.
You gotta be championed by yourplace first.
By your own place.
Your first place.
How the rest of the world issupposed to.
So it's like, I was like, okay,that's that's what you gotta do.
Go home, figure it out how to doit, did.
The first step was, all right,I'm still in this shit.
People got to know I'm I'm likethat.

(40:33):
Let me go out there and justrap.
So my first, like, the literallyfirst front porch freestyle I
did, like, I prepped it like inOmar Studio before I went and
actually home and did it.
So, like when I was just home, Isaid, man, might just do this
shit.
I did it to uh Jaden Smith icon,icon living.
This was like two 17, 18.
Crazy track.
Crazy track.

(40:53):
Crazy track.
That was literally the firstJohn I ever did.
And then like the response, itwas like, oh nah, people, I like
these.
And then I was like, shit, I'mgonna do it again.
So I was like, I got every timeI get something dope enough to
do them, because I'm like, nah,these are statement pieces.
This ain't just me fuckingaround.
It's like, this is how nigga putan album into this freestyle,
nigga.
Cause this all they might see.

(41:15):
Right.
How can you do that?
Put an album into this shit anddo it to something that they
fuck with.
Or like something you might notjust that shows your music, you
know what I'm saying, how muchof a fan you are the music.
It ain't gotta be like the mostcurrent beat, nigga.
Do some classic shit that youain't nobody gonna touch.
Do some shit like that.
Cause it's like, nigga, youalready know the risk in doing
that.
Nobody wanna hear that shit ifit ain't fucking with it.
Guess who who the person, LilWayne, nigga?

(41:36):
Lil Wayne, the only nigga Iwanted to hear rap on somebody
else's shit other than thepurse.
It gotta be good as Lil Wayne'sshit, nigga.
That's the only way people gonnafuck with.

SPEAKER_08 (41:44):
If this shit ain't good, you're good as dedication.

SPEAKER_04 (41:46):
It gotta be like that.
So it was like that was I wasdoing that for like three or
four years, you know what I'msaying?
To the point 2018, my dad getincarcerated.
He's still he's in right now.
Uh, and like my whole shit'swith, it's like, it's literally
Lil Wayne, locked the CEO up.
Now I'm the CEO, fuck.
And it's like, all right, damn,it's a lot of shit fell on my
lap at the same time.
And mind you, I already startedthese freestyles.

(42:08):
I've been doing them.
And like I'm getting calls fromlike Pusher, you know what I'm
saying, showing love.
David Banner showing love,drummer boy, like even at this
time, like I'm cooking now, youknow what I'm saying?
People are like, man, thisplatform is working.
And David Banner hit me be like,man, man, I had some people call
me from DC, man.
All I'm gonna say is, bruh, keepgoing out on that porch.

(42:28):
Keep going out on that porch.

SPEAKER_03 (42:30):
I want to ask you something though.
Is this literally at this point,when you say the freestyle is
going, you are you doing this onyour front porch?
I'm on the front porch.

SPEAKER_04 (42:39):
But your this is your front porch.
People walking by walking theirdogs, and I'm sitting here, I'm
saying witch and all that type.

SPEAKER_03 (42:47):
Like, so you're out there with a mic and a camera,
you're recording them.

SPEAKER_04 (42:50):
But my phone, like this.
Phone.
Wow.
And you're throwing them up onYouTube.
No, I'll just put them onInstagram at the time.
Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 (42:58):
Instagram at this point, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Fastest way to get Insta.
I don't even know how YouTubeworks at that time.
Like I'm just uploading shit,but it was like, I'll just
upload videos, you know what I'msaying?
Like, I ain't like how thesevertical videos looked on
YouTube.
So I was like, I don't like it.
So I'm gonna just put it here.
And uh like 2022, like uhPharrell had the uh the uh

(43:24):
Summon the Water Festival outhere.

SPEAKER_05 (43:26):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (43:26):
Virginia I literally like he shut down Independence
Avenue and like I was like itwas some shit like I never I
didn't know you could do that inDC.

SPEAKER_07 (43:33):
We cooked out there, it was crazy.
We we we cook burgers out therefor that.
You were there for withChilberger?
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (43:39):
No, there he's all in my story.
I was about to say, uh, so Iwalk, I literally walked past
Pharrell and I see him, and I'mlike, bruh, thank you.
And he's like, what?
I said, man, I didn't know youcould do this shit.
Like I didn't know that this waseven possible.
Appreciate it.
That's the last that was my onlyever time talking to Pharrell

(44:00):
ever.
But I seen uh my uh one of myhomies that I went to school
with, named uh Tyler at thatsame festival.
And like he does videos and fora lot of people and shit.
And we always wanted to worktogether.
We ain't never worked together.
But by this time, he don't wantto do music videos no more.
He's like, man, I want to dosomething else.
And I'm like, I don't reallylike the music videos, they

(44:20):
cool, but I'm like, thisfreestyle shit, I'm getting
more, I'm getting more bumpedwith this, you know what I'm
saying?
More impact, yeah.
Like, well shit, let's, let's,let's try to turn that up.
And so he ended up bringing thetripod and the camera over
there, and my uh my man Terrencethat.

SPEAKER_03 (44:33):
Now you're stepping it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 (44:35):
Like my guys that I was doing videos and like my
regular artist content withalready, my man Sliz right here,
my man Terrence, we we cometogether and like start filming
them now.
Like, I got a mic on, and youknow what I'm saying, we are we
we bringing the production levelup.
And my uh my homie Reggie that Iworked on uh like during like
this time my dad was locked up,I did like a lot of different

(44:56):
shit.
Like I was driving a truck,still while I'm doing the
freestyles and shit.
Uh I'm dropping shit off.
People like noticing me whileI'm doing all these jobs and
shit too.
And I end up working on likeproduction, like for like Apple
TV on a TV show called Swagger.
And I do like a couple jumps, uha jump with Denzel, uh Columbia
Pictures jump.
Like I'm just working on thebeat uh behind the scenes and
shit.

(45:17):
Worked on Run DMC uh documentaryfor Peacock uh with my homie
Kirk Frazier.
He does a lot of dope uhdocumentaries.
And uh like I learned theproduction game, you know what
I'm saying?
So I learned to be an artist,but I also to learn in
production and also to have theruns, like I'm so much shit I'm
learning, you know what I'msaying?
And then by the time me andTyler link in, it's like, all

(45:38):
right, shit, my homie Reggiethat put me on production, he
got all the equipment to wherewe could just put a band
anywhere.
He always been like, man, let'sjust perform somewhere.
And I actually see him do it onetime, and I'm like, oh shit, I
gotta put a band on the porch.
I'm already doing my recordfreestyling.
I'm not gonna put the band.

SPEAKER_03 (45:54):
Now you're bringing the band onto the porch.

SPEAKER_04 (45:57):
So now instead of me just freestyling, I'm doing my
original records with the bandon the porch.
And people like, I was like, ohshit.
Nigga Snoop posts one of themjumps.
Motherfucking.

SPEAKER_03 (46:06):
Right.
So Snoop sees this and repostsone of yours.

SPEAKER_04 (46:10):
Just this is what I would have guessed.
Just me on the jump, like withthe band.
So I'm like, oh shit.
All right.
And then back to Big G.
Big G the first person I thoughtof.
So I see G at an event and Ishow him the first video I did
with the band.
I said, hey, I need you to comedo this with me.
I show him the junk, he waslike, oh, I don't give a fuck if
I come by myself.
I beat it.

(46:31):
Like, I'm I'm nigg.
So him and Wincy came and I putthe band, I put the band
together for uh, it wasn'tactually backyard band, but I
put the band together, likecreated a house band for, you
know what I'm saying, whereartists come.

SPEAKER_03 (46:42):
Because that's like your own band now that's playing
for these artists when they comein.
Exactly.
That's kind of the battle.
Is your you're doing this onyour front porch.
Your neighbor, I mean, are yourneighbor what your what are your
neighbors thinking of this?
Are they coming out andwatching?
Or are they like, turn thatmusic down?
What are they doing?

SPEAKER_04 (46:59):
One of my neighbors, like, this this he ride or die,
man.
I don't give, I don't care whatwhat happens, man.
What if his if his house, ifsomething happened to his house,
I'm gonna go fix it.
It's nothing fucking happening.
They can do everything.
My other neighbor, he a littleolder, he be beefing a little
bit, but put some wine overthere like some box.
But everybody else is cool.
Overall, it's cool.

(47:19):
Like you could imagine, youcould imagine just like Bun uh
Bun B performing out in in frontof the crib before you pull up,
Snoop outside.
Uh you know what I'm saying,like you got Rob McTick just
outside playing the piano onthe, you know what I'm saying,
before you pull up, like that'sI wouldn't be mad at that.
Yeah, I couldn't be mad at it.

SPEAKER_07 (47:37):
What you could do is find out who your neighbor's
favorite artists are and invitethem to the porch.

SPEAKER_04 (47:45):
Well, that's that's what I'm saying.
I think he might have done this,right?
I mean I don't know who helikes.
I ain't think he likes nothing.
He's older, but figure it out.

SPEAKER_07 (47:57):
It might be gospel, right?
It might be blues.
It'd be something that it'ssomething that he has a
connection to.

SPEAKER_04 (48:04):
No, I'm gonna I'm gonna figure it out for him.
I got something for him becauseI don't because he he do be he
do cool, he's cool for the mostpart, but overall, I don't want
nobody.

SPEAKER_07 (48:12):
Give him one, Nuch.
Give him one.
Give him one for the holidays,right?
Like around the holidays.

SPEAKER_04 (48:19):
Give him one, man, and and he'll uh I definitely I
definitely didn't I knock ondoors and drop stuff off for
sure.
But you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 (48:26):
But he needs to know he needs to know what it feels,
what the other people thatsupport you feel.
Why they love it.
Right.
When he can have that connectionwith somebody that comes on you,
I think he'll understand why youdo it and why people love it.

SPEAKER_08 (48:44):
So let me ask a quick question.
So with the the guests, becauseI you know you had so many
amazing guests.
Are you are you reaching out orare they reaching out?

SPEAKER_03 (48:54):
Yeah, how in the world is this working?

SPEAKER_08 (48:56):
It's crazy.
I'm obsessed with your YouTube.
Robin Thick or Lenny Williams,how's this happening?
I mean, you know, it'sincredible.

SPEAKER_04 (49:05):
One of them other odd jobs that I had too during
my stress was I was DJing.
So like curation is like I beplaying like my favorite thing I
get while I was DJing.
Damn, I ain't heard that in along time.
And it ain't like, damn, why youplaying that old ass shit?
It's like, like, damn, I, youknow what I'm saying, it made me
feel like something.
So like when it comes to thePorsche, that's why I wanted,

(49:27):
that's why I wanted Backyard andBig G to be the first guest.
Because I know like when I'm inDC, I need DC to know that this
DC shit.

unknown (49:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:34):
Djob, that this would this come from.
And then my second guest wasMiss Kemp, another pretty much
the female version of Big G andWin C and Backyard.
And them two were like my firsttwo guests.
And then Raheem Devon wasliterally my third guest.
But when I call him, I was like,hey, I need people to understand
that this is a real production.

(49:55):
I like, I need people to seewhat it looked like when we got
an artist with a catalog that'sa torrent act that you know what
I'm saying, what it looked likefor real.
So people can really know, like,pretty much like the call and
card of like, hey, we here.
And he did it.
He did it literally after that.
Penny Lattimore, uh EricRobeson, Ruben Star.

SPEAKER_03 (50:18):
But it just starts building upon itself, these
people start hearing aboutbecause in 2023, you had an
article in the Washingtonian,right?
And they were calling uh yourporch kind of the DC's hottest
new venue.
And so I'm assuming that getcaught because all of a sudden
somebody's taking notice thatyou you're getting some pretty
big acts that are playing.

SPEAKER_04 (50:38):
Well, like I said, DC's known for go-go.
Like if you come to DC, yougotta do like Business.
When he came, you had to do itwith a go-go ban.
So it's like now in and whenwhat year was that when you did
that?

SPEAKER_07 (50:51):
That was that was like the Pimp was home, so that
would have been oh that wouldhave been that would have been
within that I'm trying to think.
Not that I no, it wouldn't havebeen before he came.
That would have been before hegot locked up.
So that would have been thatwould have been the early 2000s
for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (51:10):
For sure.
And these same bands been outhere playing nonstop.
Yes, absolutely.
And it's still not even likeit's it's known to a certain
degree, but we got like a coupledoing the butt, bustin' loose
Chuck Brown, uh Sexy Lady, belike I can almost name the
original record.
So it's like for it to be takenserious on another level.

(51:31):
It's like, and these be ourclassic records that we love,
and it kind of is a a version ofit's not covering the music, but
it's like a a remix, if youalmost, if you will, that is
like, all right, we need to beable to see this in another
light.
Like, we need to be able to,because you can't experience a
go-go unless you add it.
So it's like outside of that,you just hearing the song,
you're like, what is this?

(51:51):
But if you see it and hear it,and it's mixed, it's it's sound
like my goal is to make this thebest sounding shit that they
got.
Because I already know, like, alot of engineers be half-assing,
But it's like cause it's live.
It's like you're getting paid asa job, versus nah, the goal is
to make sure that this shit isthe best heard and the best
visual representation of ourarea.

(52:12):
So the rest of the industrycould take this shit serious.
Cause I just seen what it lookedlike.
Like, we, you know what I'msaying?
We we gotta, we gotta uh wegotta up the standards.
We gotta up the standards ofwhat our quality is and you know
what I'm saying, how people seeand hear us.
And if that was what I wasseeing, that's why I was shown
all this shit to come back anddo, it's like, all right, that's

(52:34):
when I identified.
It's like, all right, let memake sure I just want to curate.
It wasn't just for DC no more atthat point.
It's like, oh no, this is forjust black music.
This for us, this for theculture.
This ain't no Arsenio Hall show.
Ain't no soul train, ain't no106 park, ain't no, ain't no M
BT Jams, ain't no Rap City,ain't no nothing.
Only Jones Tiny Desk.

SPEAKER_03 (52:54):
The tiny desk, because it does kind of remind
me of like a step up from thetiny desk.
It's a tinier desk, though.

SPEAKER_04 (53:00):
A porch is a tinier desk.
Yeah.
Like squeezing them drums up,they was crazy.
Like the first episode we did,we had the whole band on the
porch.
Like, I was like, this ain'tgonna work.
But but but those platforms andand like even Tiny Desk is is
one of them as well.
But just like where 106 apartfelt like.

(53:22):
When I'm like when I'm gettingto know the artist, when I'm
feel like the the platform caresabout the artists.
Not to say that they don't, butI'm just saying that I feel
connected to the culture whenthey come over.
I want the artists to feel athome when they come in.
Like everybody that that comesin, like, this really the crib.
Like I say, me cost a soucosawhen you come in.
It's whatever you need, we gotit.

(53:43):
And we're gonna make sure thatyour sound is good, your my like
my the whole The sound is great.
Fast forward, it goes from fromjust being the a handful of
people in the beginning to nowit's like, oh, it's like 20, 20.

SPEAKER_03 (54:00):
You have a whole production in your front yard
from what I've read.

SPEAKER_04 (54:03):
The best, I got the best team in the world when it
comes to getting this shit done.
Everybody got uh the same wayI'm explaining shit, like my
skills that I gained through,you know what I'm saying, trial
and error, or just through thejourney.
Literally everybody over theregot the same.
So by the time the artists comeover there, I I would be
thinking, like, we, as assometimes saying, like, damn, we

(54:25):
doing the right thing.
If, you know what I'm saying,they're coming over here, you
know what I'm saying?
They didn't came on our path.
But it's like, nah, this theypath too.
Like something brought them overhere, you know what I'm saying?
Because there's people thatain't made.
And it'd be certain times belike, man, it is what it is.
A lot of most of them isrelationships.
Like, I like I said, I met a lotof people coming up.
So they say the same people goon the way up, same motherfucker

(54:46):
you see on the way down.
And there's so many people likesee me never fret, no matter
what the situation was, whetherit be my father getting locked
up, whether it be the Atlantasituation, whether it be the
Atlanta situation, whether it bewhatever, and it's like, oh nah,
you still win this.
I'm like, yeah, man, let's pullup, let's keep doing it.
Nothing changed with me.
I just had to catch up.

(55:06):
That's it.
I'm still catching up.

SPEAKER_08 (55:07):
Yeah.
I I I the one thing we we talkedabout we talked about this um on
the phone, me and um, is that DCwas uh but when BT, and one of
us you know this too, when BTwas in DC, it was such a it was
such a cultural thing, andeverybody in the in the uh
record companies in the businessreally loved to go to DC to go

(55:31):
to BT.
Like it was it was a great thingto see Donnie Simpson or Teen
Summit or whatever you weredoing.
And so I I love how you you'vekind of made it this an
extension of that DC thing ofpeople coming to DC, you have a
good time, you know, the there'sa culture there, and like you
said, there's no other outletsfor black music like this,
really.
You know, some people get ontiny desks, but it that's not

(55:51):
just us, but this is like thisis kind of like it makes you
feel like what what what BT andDC was back then.
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (55:58):
Yeah, they're not getting Lenny Williams, you know
what I'm saying?
Yeah, exactly.
They could, but they notliterally back to curation.
Like, I'm just thinking like uhlike when we first start getting
like acts and stuff, like weliterally put a whiteboard
together and wrote down likeeverybody who I thought would
make this the blackest platformever, you know what I'm saying?

(56:20):
Uh just culturally successfulwith our shit.
And like literally it's been thesame board up there since we
started, and like we donechecked off.

SPEAKER_03 (56:27):
You just checking people off, huh?

SPEAKER_04 (56:29):
Checking them, man, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (56:32):
I got so many questions here.
Like, I would take me through II just can't imagine like when I
saw uh Snoop on on your porchrolling out on a wheelchair,
like I really double checkedthat.
Like, this is AI or is this forreal?
Like this guy, how in the worlddoes do you get Snoop to fly in
and go to where your house andperform?

(56:53):
Because the the the the visualand the audio of that is
exceptional.
Like it is so good, man.
And so, like, walk me throughthat process.
Like, does he does he call youup one day?
Do you call how how does thateven happen?

SPEAKER_04 (57:07):
My first Snoop interaction is literally like
what this was my second one.
But my first one I opened up forhim at Echo Stage, he was DJ
Snoop Adelic.
I ain't really get to interactwith him, but I I opened up this
is like 2018, I think.
But fast forward, like I said,he posted, he posted the front
porch.
Like he seen he seen it on hisown.

(57:28):
Like, like when I finallyactually met him and had the
conversation, he said he's justseen it on his own.
He fucked with it.
Like he said, and he made it anote to say this before the
guest.
He's like, this is before theguest.
I just seen when it was justhim.

SPEAKER_06 (57:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:40):
And my uh my manager now, uh uhBig Country Bobby, he uh got a
great relationship with like somany people.
Like I don't like getting put onblast, so I ain't gonna tell all
this business.
But we got a great relationshipwith everybody.
And once, you know what I'msaying, I hit him up once I seen
Snoop, you know what I'm saying,show some some some insight, and
he said, shit, I called him, andhe called.

(58:02):
And then fast forward, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Snoop just gave his word.
He said, Man, I definitely Iwant to come do that shit.
I'm gonna come do it.
And it it probably was like itwas a minute since he said it to
when it actually happened, butwhen he ended up coming to DC,
they reached out before rightbefore they came and we made it
happen.

SPEAKER_03 (58:21):
And so he just rolls up one day and and he just comes
out of your front porch and doeswhat he does.

SPEAKER_04 (58:29):
That was crazy.
The neighborhood loved it thatday.

SPEAKER_03 (58:31):
Did he bring the wheelchair?

SPEAKER_07 (58:32):
Did he bring the wheelchair?
Whose idea was that?

SPEAKER_04 (58:36):
He didn't, he it was his idea for the the night
before we did the shoot, I gomeet him at the hotel.
And mind you, like, this is thea nice ass hotel.
And then get on the elevator, weget off the elevator, and
immediately as soon as we openthe elevator floor, I'm like,
oh, this is the floor, snoop on.
Smell.
I can smell it.
It's already on.

(58:56):
And then we go, we go from uh wego, we go to the Ruby and then
you know blowing down, and uh hepretty much was like, man, I
want I want to do uh I'm cause Isend the settlers to him.
I told him the songs that likeanybody who comes, like I pretty
much like I created settlersthat I think would go crazy.
They can do the fuck they wantto do.
But I send some that I think,you know what I'm saying?

(59:16):
This shit gonna sound crazy andthe fans gonna appreciate it.
And like I researched peoplelike live performances and see
if they got like a dope liveperformance of this, and if they
don't, I'm like, you gotta dothis, bro.
It don't even exist as one ofyour hardest jumps.
That you ain't did it.
And we about do it a bang.
Come on, man.
But so we did murder was thecase, and he said, Man, I want
to come out in a wheelchair likeI did at the Wolves show.
I said, I said, man, that'sgonna be tough.

(59:38):
And I'm thinking he just got awheelchair.
And he don't.
So when he gets to the house, myuh one of my engineers, my man
Ryan, that I talked that I wentto when I was going to school
and going to the studio, he hebeen he in a wheelchair.
So we tell me he said, Hey,Snoop, Snoop wanna use the
wheelchair for the uh for theshoot.
He was like, My chair?
I said, Yeah, he said, Man, giveme up, you the fuck, give me up.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:03):
I don't know if you can have a higher honor with
your wheelchair than having likeSnoop Dogg use your wheelchair.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:11):
Man, look, he told me, he said, man, people say,
man, I was getting calls.
He was like, he said, I gotcaught up.
He said, he said, nigga, I knowthat ain't your wheelchair.
I was like, how did I identifyyour wheelchair?

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:22):
I was like, Yeah, man.
Let me ask you this question.
Because I have to believe thatyou've either been asked to do
some sort of, I don't know,front porch tour, or someone has
tried to come and put acorporate logo on your porch.

(01:00:43):
I have to believe these thingsthat you've at least been
approached.
Or I was thinking people ifsomebody's asked, have you ever
considered that?
Have you ever considered that?
Yeah, and like if like if youlike a football stadium, like
I'm sure you could you couldsell the name rights to the
front porch.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:01):
For sure.
That's why I made sure I uh Ilocked in all the ownership and
everything.
Because I done learned the labelgame already.
Made sure that porches, you knowwhat I'm saying?
You can check that and make sureit goes right to where it's
supposed to go.
But man, I'm waiting for theright thing.
I got a lot of people that Ifeel like we gotta to feed with
this, and you know what I'msaying, if it don't make sense,
it don't make sense, and we allabout doing the right business

(01:01:23):
over here, and we go, we'regonna figure it out always.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:28):
Because we can see we can see the cultural value.
That's why we were so excited tohave you on this podcast, right?
Because we like to explore.
We like to explore people'sreasoning behind culture.
And so I have to believe thatwith all the views you get and
how viral you've been goingsince the, you know, the early
2020s, that somebody would haveto be like, yo, we need to get a

(01:01:52):
piece of this.
Like, like, how can we doCoca-Cola presents front porch?
What makes you want to keep itclose to chess?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:02):
I mean, as long as it's true to, I just want to
keep it true to us.
And not to say, like, ifCoca-Cola did come and holler at
me, that we'd figure it out.
Coca-Cola.
Uh, Coca-Cola, if you'relistening, yeah, I'm just gonna
call it kind of always my my myvision too, because I'm like,
all right, I want this to bealigned with uh like the top
brands, like how Apple is, orlike how uh car brands, Sprite,

(01:02:24):
or like shit like that.
So like we've we've done eventslike with the Wizards, we've
done stuff with the Mystics,we've done stuff with like
Pepco, like we've done like uhone-off events a f a few times
early in the game, but now we'reinto doing live events.
Like we just did our first uhour first live event was in
September at the BethesdaTheater.

(01:02:44):
Um we sold that out and we don'tand we just pronounced the the
the show is just announcedNucci's live from the front
porch, and that's the bill, andwe don't tell the guests who
coming.
And we sold the show out.
And then the actually the lineupfor that show, we had uh uh Eric
Robinson, uh Young Drew, Tweet,Ari Lennox, and then Big G and

(01:03:11):
We see, Sugar Bear, and MissKim.
And I did something as well.
But like it's just a it's awhole experience.
And we don't uh the the fan baseand the supporter, they trust
the curation so much that theyshow up, you know what I'm
saying, and and are able to, youknow what I'm saying, make the
brand stronger by doing that.
And all we gotta do is deliver.

(01:03:32):
And if somebody comes in readyto deliver the same way we
trying to deliver, then we coulddeliver together.

SPEAKER_08 (01:03:38):
Hey, real quick, before uh before you I wanted
you to talk about the KennedyCenter.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:42):
I was gonna say that's a huge one.

SPEAKER_08 (01:03:44):
That's nice.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:45):
Well, listen, that that show was actually uh that
was like my first goal.
Like I wanted to do thatactually as the first show
because I'm like, this is themost prestigious platform in DC.
Mm-hmm.
The country, the country, damnnear.
Like, this is where they do thehighest honors and awards at.
And like this show waseventually aligned in August
2024.
That's when it was announced.

(01:04:06):
Alongside Andre 3000, and DNice.
That was the hip hop lineup forKennedy Center 24 to 25.
Everybody else got to do theirshow before uh the election
happened.
And by the time Kennedy Centerhad a different uh a different
different stigma on it, had adifferent stigma on it by that
time.
So it was like trying to figureout how to do it.

(01:04:28):
But like the the the essence ofwhat we're doing is to be black
faces in our culture where it'ssupposed to be, everywhere it
could be.
So I I felt like I couldn't letthat deter what the original
goal was to take this from thecrib to the highest the highest
spot in DC that you can go, youknow what I'm saying?

(01:04:49):
And and if it was in the 60s orsomething, I feel like they'd
call it a sit-in or somethinglike that.
And you know what I'm saying,it's more more of a uh a protest
to what you think versus.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:59):
Hurry up, I had to cut the camera off so they went
see you in the window.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:02):
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, the that was it was abig show.
The people showed up for us.
Oh, yeah.
It was crazy.
We did what we're supposed todo.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:14):
And this just happened, right?
This was on November 9th?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:17):
Yeah, it was last one even a week ago.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:20):
About a week ago, yeah, at the Kennedy Center.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:22):
Because I was actually a part of the D Night
show.
So I know I know what he means.
And that with the idea ofactually performing in the
Kennedy Center.
You feel it in the room.
You feel you, you understand thethe grandeur of the space for
sure.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:36):
Like when you're in, it's like, damn, like we done
took this from the house tohere.
But it's also like, all right,if the it's also you don't want
you don't want to uh go againstyour people, but it's also like
that ain't what that ain't whatthis is.
Sometimes your people gotta beeducated they self to
understand.
I understand.
It's not your job to uh loweryour standards, is you know what

(01:05:56):
I'm saying.
If anything, I felt like it'smore my job to educate, and like
that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:01):
Did you recreate the porch as part of this?
Or or what what was thevisually?
How did it look?

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:06):
Uh we had a like screen with porch and graphics
and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:10):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:11):
You're gonna see us walking out the porch one day.
Whenever you come to the show,it's gonna be a porch on it.
We're definitely coming down.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:17):
Oh, we are definitely coming down.
Would you want to take this ontour?
Yeah, that was my next question,yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:23):
100, 100%.
I want to do the because we onlydid it in DC.
Like you I would love to do itin Houston.
Where we got the Houston ledgerscoming out, where we got, you
know what I'm saying,unexpected, where we got, where
we in LA, and then we got Snoop,we got, you know what I'm
saying, like all theserelationships that have been
built with all these people andall these uh fan, different fan
bases.
Like we got we just had LennyWilliams and then 803 Fresh, and

(01:06:46):
then Robin Thick, and then uh uhBenny the Butcher and then
Memphis Bleak, George Clinton.
We just dropped Ramble.
Uh we drop I we dropping listen,we dropping some crazy jumps.
And like the Monday, this isgonna be when this comes out.
This will come out probably nextweek.

(01:07:08):
All right, Monday, by the timethis comes out, we used to drop
Wale's.
So like nine out of ten, crazylike it.
And he's having a crazy runright now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:16):
So I guess like some of it, and Bon, I'm curious to
see what you have to say aboutthis.
To me, like going on tour iscool, but there is a part of me
that like the actual front porchis so cool that like bringing
people to you to me is almost aspowerful as you bringing it on
tour, and or maybe there's a mixof the two somehow, but the idea

(01:07:37):
of coming to the actual frontporch, and it doesn't, it's not
like it's right down onIndependence Avenue.
You know, it's it's a little bitout of the city, not really out
of the city, but it's a uniqueplace in itself.
And to me, that is what becomesspecial.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:52):
And that's that's 100% agreed, but if that's the
case, only Bond will be able toexperience them.
So that's and that's in the crewand then the team that's over
there with doing with doing itlike that.
Because it's like it's not ait's not a public venue.
It's not like how LaRussell likeinvites people to, and shout out
the Russell, he came on theplatform as well.
He invites people to his house.

(01:08:13):
Like, I don't want these niggasin my house.

unknown (01:08:14):

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:16):
That becomes a whole different thing, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:18):
This is equivalently, this is equivalent
to a studio session that's juston the porch.
Like we're trying to capture thebest video and audio for this
performance to give to themasses.
If we're doing a tour, this isletting the masses come nice
too.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:33):
Or at least the I see it.
I I see it because you'reobviously limited by the space,
right?
And the space not only limitswho gets to come and perform,
but also who gets to come andenjoy.
Like that's the limit, the truelimitation is the fact that you

(01:08:55):
guys are creating something thatif you had a bigger porch,
right, more people could comeand enjoy it.
If you had a bigger yard forpeople to stand in, more people
could come and enjoy it.
If one neighbor was cool, thenwe could have set up something
across everybody's front yardand blocked the street off.

(01:09:15):
But but because of that, wealmost have the porch stands for
something.

unknown (01:09:21):
Right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:21):
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at.
The porch stands for something.
So as long as the porch stillrepresents outside of DC,
outside of your home, as long asit still represents that for
people and doesn't have tocompromise any cultural
integrity to be that for people,man.
Take that shit on the road, bro.
Like make sure you bring theporch with you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:43):
Like the port, the recreation of the porch.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:46):
But definitely, yeah, that shit got to go on the
road.
But Tom, you're 100% right whenit comes to like the it just in
my mind of like where I'm at andlike I'm just snooping this
motherfucker.
We just had, well, like we justdid two, we just did uh oh, like
all these people.
I got a wall of signatures onthe wall of everybody that came
over.
And it's like, it shouldn't makeno sense.

(01:10:07):
Like to think like the policedone ran up in here before.
Like, like it's just like that.
To fast forward to now, and it'slike, you know what I'm saying?
We're gonna have a special, aspecial journal, uh
Thanksgiving.
But this probably be out by thentoo.
But we Patty LaBelle.
We just had Patty LaBelle overthere.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:28):
It makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:31):
If it ain't out by then, they coming to see it.
They gonna they're gonna tunein.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:35):
No, for sure.
It's coming out the Monday ofthat week.
So, you know what I'm saying?
It's probably, you know, man, webe good.
Nonetheless, I'm cool.
But the element of surprise ispart of the shit.
So it's like that's what how wecould build it as Nuclees Live
from the front porch.
We could just drop on Monday andthey not know what we're about
to drop.
Just be happy that we drop.
It's Monday.
I know they're about to dosomething.
I don't know what to do.

(01:10:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:59):
But when you do go on the road, like I I got I got
to go see uh Pete Rock andCommon when they when they were,
you know, this this past year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:07):
And what I really love the living room set up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:10):
They had his living room, and that was like I think
it's his aunt's living room.
Um, I think definitely.

SPEAKER_08 (01:11:17):
What do you say?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:18):
When when they had their set, they matched it
perfectly to, I think it was hisaunt's basement, like living
room.
Oh, yeah, Pete.

SPEAKER_08 (01:11:24):
Yeah, it's Pete.
It was Pete's aunt, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:28):
And it was perfect, like every little detail was
actual stuff, you know, from herbasement.
And so like I think there's thisthing, that's a cool opportunity
that like you could document andbring on tour exact every little
thing.
You know, like if the littlecorner is a little bit cut off
or or rusted, like that's gottabe on tour, you know, like it's
gotta be the authenticity of itbecause that's what makes this

(01:11:49):
thing so special.
Like it's literally your frontporch.
Um it's crazy.
And as we wrap up, though, Igotta I gotta challenge.
We gotta get bun.
Bun, yell if I'm speaking out ofturn here, but I want to see bun
on your front porch.
I want to see bun on the frontporch.
How can we make that happen,bud?

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:08):
I feel like we just made it happen.
It's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:10):
I feel like we just did.
Is it that easy?
I think so.
I think so.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:17):
I won't need a wheelchair.
No wheelchair.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:21):
You want a grill?
Yeah, we'll put a grill outthere.
I gotta have it just for asecond.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:27):
You don't gotta be on the grill.
We can just have it out thereand get some some trio burgers
getting grilled while we outthere.
I think that'd be good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:33):
Here's my talent deal.
Bun, I'll flip burgers, and thenone day somebody will say, Who
is that white guy standing outthere flipping burgers the whole
time while Bun's trying toperform?
And were they any good?

SPEAKER_08 (01:12:46):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:48):
Tom burgers.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:49):
I'm up for Nucie.
I'm up for I haven't been toD.C.
in a minute.
That's why we haven't reachedout.
And we have it like with thewith the Corey Mo album that I
just did.
We we didn't have the the budgetto go to D.C.
for something like that.
But the next time I'm booked,I'm on the porch.
So DC promoters book me to thecity so I can go to Nucci house

(01:13:11):
and get it up.

SPEAKER_08 (01:13:13):
I'm sure for Nucie, that's one phone call.
I was about to say, we see it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:17):
Yeah, Tom, Tom, find a reason for me to come to
Maryland.
I'll believe me, I'll get you areason very soon.
Very soon.
So you be ready for us, Nucci.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:25):
Yes, sir.
And my last thing before we go,man, I just want to say I
appreciate y'all, man.
Uh, for sure, for, you know whatI'm saying, reaching out, you
know what I'm saying, alllegends uh in in y'all own
right.
I want to shout out the teamfor, you know what I'm saying,
making the front push evenhappen.
Like, it started with an idea,and it was just me at first, but
now it's a whole there's somewhole shit.
I want to shout out the team andeverybody that supported.

(01:13:46):
And, you know what I'm saying,just appreciate everybody that's
coming to the live events.
See y'all when we go on theroad.
Shout out to all the artiststhat believe in it and
understand, like, damn, we justgoing to because some people be
coming over, they be like, thisis a really good house.
And then by the time they leave,by the time we done, they don't
want to leave.
Like, we over like it's allfamily now.
We in there eating the shit likeit's like we real live family,

(01:14:07):
like uncles and and aunts, andlike, oh, back.
That's my last thing I want tosay.
So you say aunt, Tom.
Is y'all say aunt or aunt?
How y'all say it?

SPEAKER_08 (01:14:15):
I say aunt, but a lot of people say auntie now.
Like, it's it's it's a vibe.
I say ain't.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:23):
Why not?
I say ain't why not?

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:27):
Yeah.
I'm thinking that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:31):
Now, let me ask you this, Disney.
When I when I come, I'm probablygonna come with my wife, and
she's gonna want some crabs.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:38):
I live I live by the best, by the best crab by the
well, you got it.
Oh, we look, we have for well,all the artists come, we ask
them what they eat, and we makesure it's there.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:48):
Well, that's what we're gonna want to eat some
crabs.
But I bring you bring the crabs,I bring the burger.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:56):
You gotta bring some burgers.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:57):
I ain't even burger.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:59):
Say less.
Alrighty.
I like it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:02):
Hey man, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:03):
This was special, man.
Yes, it's great.
That's super salute, man.
I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_08 (01:15:07):
Yeah, absolutely, bro.
It's funny because I like I feellike you and I have been around
each other, but we had nevermet.
Like we there's so much, so manycommon threads where we start
talking, and I'm like, oh yeah,yeah, yeah.
He was like Atlantic.
I was I worked at Atlantic, buthe was on he was on the West
Coast and I was in New York.
So it's all these kind of commonthreads that we got, and I'm

(01:15:29):
sure we know a bunch of the samepeople, so I'm glad we got to
finally put it together, youknow?

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:33):
No, already, man.
I definitely felt like we werein the same room before.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I just remember hearing yourvoice somewhere.
I think that very important.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:45):
But thank you all for listening.
Thank you for bringing us to thefront porch.
Thank you, Nucci.
Until next week, leave us yourcomments on Instagram at
Unglossy Pod or YouTube atMerrick Studios.
Tell your friends about theshow.
I'm Tom Frank.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:59):
I'm Jeffrey Swedge, and I'm Bun B.
I'm Nucci.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:05):
Unglossy is produced and distributed by Merrick
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