September 5, 2024 • 28 mins
Ever wondered how a simple apartment podcast evolved into a cultural phenomenon? Join us for Part 2 of our amazing conversation with Eric and Jeff Rosenthal, as they take us through the extraordinary journey from creating comedic sketches to becoming recognized voices in the podcasting world. They open up about the magic that happens when genuine relationships and authenticity become the foundation of your work, sharing unforgettable moments from their podcast, 'A Waste of Time with ItsTheReal," and guests like Kevin Gates, Jim Jones, and Swizz Beatz, whose warmth and spontaneity turned simple recordings into lasting memories.
Listen to Jeffrey recount Andre 3000 telling his story of Pimp C on The Shop and the importance of staying true to the culture we love. You'll hear about the New York City escapades, building meaningful connections with industry heavyweights, and the ways in which a podcast has inspired others to chase their dreams.
From Kodak Black's antics to the Migos' unique demands, and even a dream of playing Connect Four with Stevie Wonder, we explore the blend of creativity, persistence, and fun that keeps this dynamic duo going. This is not just a recounting of past podcast episodes but a heartfelt appreciation of the support system and relationships that has fueled their success. Tune in for laughter, inspiration, and a genuine look at what it takes to build something meaningful in the world of content.
"Unglossy: Decoding Brand in Culture," is produced and distributed by Merrick Creative and hosted by Merrick Chief Creative Officer, Tom Frank, hip hop artist and founder of Pendulum Ink, Mickey Factz, and music industry veteran, Jeffrey Sledge. Tune in to hear this thought-provoking discussion on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you catch your podcasts. Follow us on Instagram @UnglossyPod to join the conversation and support the show at https://unglossypod.buzzsprout.com/.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
previously on on glossy.
I just want to say, if peopleare listening and they're like,
wait, how did the guys dosketches and then end up in this
place where they're takenseriously as like documentarians
it is?
It is this thing where it'slike, look, we have the tools,
we're just using them in adifferent way because we're the
same guys.
We've always been.
(00:20):
It's the real.
We've always been like openly,like these funny guys who are
good storytellers, whether inour, our sketches, our music,
our uh like absurdist interviewswith people like stevie wonder
or, uh, the television show thatwe wrote.
That was not made,unfortunately, but all these
things.
The same thing that that tiesall these things together is
(00:42):
that we're talented storytellersFrom the top.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Frank.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm Mickey Fax.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
And I'm Jeffrey Sledge.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome to Unglossy, to Coney Brand and Culture.
I'm Tom Frank, partner andchief creative officer at Merit
Creative.
This is Mickey Fax, hip-hopartist and founder and CEO of
Pendulum Inc.
And that is Jeffrey Sledge, aseasoned music industry veteran
who has worked with some of thebiggest artists in the business.
We're here to explore themoments of vulnerability,
pivotal decisions and creativesparks that fuel the
(01:15):
relationship between brand andculture.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Get ready for a thought-provoking journey into
the heart and soul of brandingthe unscripted, unfiltered and
truly unglossy truth.
Yeah, I want to go back to thepodcast a little bit, because
you said you guys did it fiveyears and it really grew to like
this phenomenon, for lack of abetter term.
It was like everybody was on it, people watched it every week
(01:44):
and what was really interestingis that the podcasts were fairly
long.
It wasn't like they weren't 30minutes, they were like an hour
and a half, maybe two hours orsomething like that.
So, like you know, but peoplewould lock in to the whole shows
, you know, and really listen.
I remember, after my episodebeing on the train and stuff,
the kids coming up to me.
(02:05):
They're like yo, yo, yo, I sawyou on the show and I'm like, oh
shit, even I maybe didn'trespect how far reaching it was.
You know, I knew obviously itwas a big podcast pause, but I
didn't respect that.
Like I said, I would be in thestore and some kid would be like
yo, sledge, right, I'm like,what's up, man, I saw you on the
(02:29):
podcast.
It was really a thing, and Idid two episodes.
I did my interview and then wedid a year-end wrap-up, which
I'm so mad we didn't do more.
We did wrap-up with me andScottie Beam and I think Combat
Jack was there wrap up with meand Scotty.
Beam and I think Combat Jack wasthere and I think Jason
Rodriguez maybe yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And Naomi Zeichner and Rembert.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Naomi yes, naomi, she was so cool and we just talked
about the end of the year andall the records that had come
out during the year and what wasthe best album, what was the
best, and that even got deep.
I remember it was just like youknow we were really debating
(03:12):
album what was the best, and youknow that even got deep, like I
remember, just like you know itwasn't, you know, we really
debating about what was what.
I mean, it was just a great um,and I think the fact that you
guys did it in your apartmentinstead of a studio actually
worked to the benefit because itwas really comfortable, because
it was somebody's crib, youknow, you ain't.
I mean you could be comfortablein the studio too, but, like
you said, being in those aroundthe kitchen table which is all
in politics now but literallybeing at the kitchen table
(03:32):
talking about whatever you'retalking about, you know, with
the refrigerator right there, Iremember when I was in, your
brother came in Like he camehome from work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like it waslike really comfortable it was.
It was, uh, I mean I'm going tolet you guys talk about it, but
please talk about it more.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
What's wild is it was it was originally conceived as
something that, like, we coulddo easily, right, like we got
the shortest commute, we justgot to walk right to our kitchen
, right, but it it, it did work,absolutely to our benefit, like
you said, because people wouldjust be comfortable.
If you walk into our apartmentnow, you see the pictures on the
(04:08):
wall, you see all the books,you know exactly who we are.
If you know us, you'recomfortable to begin with.
If you don't, like kevin gatescame by, we were so nervous,
right, we were just like we'veseen what he did, like on the
breakfast club, like we've seentoo many interviews go like left
, left, and we just didn't knowwhat to expect.
And he walked in and he gave thebiggest hug.
(04:31):
He's like I love your energy,right.
So we're like off the bat, offthe bat, but you know.
But if you're someone likejimmy jones who knows us, right,
he's not gonna leave for likeeight hours.
He just sits on the couch andlike that's it, right, he wants
to hang before, he wants to hangduring and he wants to hang
after and so like it's sort ofit's very nice, it does derail
your day, like there was a.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
There was a time when , um and again we're now talking
about like a waste of timewhere it was just like swizz
beats showed up at.
I want to say like one yeah, inthe morning, and then, uh,
around like 3 am, he was likehey, like what do you like with?
The podcast is done, like whatdo you guys want to do next?
And we were like I mean, likeI'm going to go to sleep.
And he was like no, no, come tothe studio.
(05:15):
And so he went to the studiowith Swizz.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Beatz yeah, but it's a crazy scenario where it's like
because you're at home, whereit's like because you're at home
, and I think I think, too, notto pat ourselves on the back,
but one of our talents is welisten, and I think that's
something that's so important topodcasting that most people
don't do.
You know, we're, we're so therewhen you're in the room just in
(05:39):
the moment, right?
So, and I think that we careabout things that maybe, like
other people might gloss over.
So, like Jeff is on the podcast, we're like yo, like what's it
like to grow up in White Plains,right, and like and, and then
you go from there and you're so,in the moment, it's just like
we're going to go through thiswhole arc.
We're going to hear directlyfrom this person.
(06:01):
Like we're at the kitchen table, we're listening, we're
actively a part of thisconversation.
You're going to get a resultthat's like deeper and more
meaningful than maybe like justthe sort of like yo, here's what
happened in the news this week.
So we offered somethingdifferent, right, and a lot of
people now come up to us and arejust like yo, what you guys
(06:24):
were podcasting like that early,and we're like oh, we podcasted
back in 09, right, like, wewere like podcasting, like,
since we were, we were honestlylike, on the very early end,
we're not the first ones shoutout to cypher sounds and peter
rosenberg, um, you know,obviously, uh, it's.
It's well documented theconversation that we had with
with reggie, with Jack, we werethe first ones to introduce him
(06:47):
to the idea of a podcast.
He came to our apartment withdonuts and was like you, you
guys must have made so much bankoff of this and we're like, oh
no, we're not.
And I think that's something,too, where it's like people can
(07:09):
see that we're two feet down inthis thing, that we care about
this thing.
I think a lot of the gueststhat we had, whether it was Jeff
or whether it was Sycamore orwhether it was Marcia St Hubert,
(07:29):
people that maybe you know,maybe you don't know, but
afterwards are so you know, like, wow, there's a dedication to
this thing of ours.
Right, we love, we love thepeople in front of the camera,
but boy do we love the peoplewho don't get the shine right
and I, you know, we puteverybody on the same uh level.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So, like you know, when we would promote like yo,
we did like 300 episodes orwhatever.
We make a big collage and itwas the same.
You know it was.
It was people behind the camerabut also people in front of the
camera who are just like mixedmom on Right and but, like, but,
(08:05):
like.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Her story is right there next to you know Rick Ross
or Lizzo, or you know Swiss, orwhoever it was, and that's very
, very meaningful and I thinkthat, jeff, you know you're
getting recognized off of that.
There are people who came up tous and, whether it was you know
(08:27):
, uh, uh, sycamore or dallasmartin or brocky marciano or
like, they were like yo, like,or like eb hamad or whoever it
is, they were like yo.
This has allowed me to work inthe industry, to understand how,
how to get in.
Like there's a place for me andthere's a job that I never knew
(08:48):
existed.
And I'm going to like we knowactual successful A&Rs at major
record companies who have brokenlegendary artists who got to
start from just being like youknow what I'm going to press
play on this episode of a wastetime, but it's the real and
that's the path that I'm gonnago after and that, to us, as
guys who, like we moved down tonew york city in 07, we were
(09:13):
doing these sketches.
We did not have regularnine-to-fives right, we were
dedicated to this thing and wewould spend all of our time
hanging out at record labelsright, we would sneak in.
We got no security, like theywould just send us through.
We would walk around and wewould sit down with people like
Sam Crespo.
We would sit down, who's amajor radio guy, but, like you
(09:35):
know, maybe no one's going tolike give him his flowers until
we did Right.
Or we're going to hang out withChris Atlas, or we're going to
you know, Ashley Kamenowitz,nordea West.
Yeah, like different people who,like, were just around, you get
to know them.
You show your face, maybe whenthey're like you know what?
I want to promote my artist andtheir new project.
(09:56):
I'm going to come to you guys.
Los Ogundo, you're top of mind.
Yeah, you know June Cardona,like all these people that like,
you know we, we got to be veryclose with those relationships
and that's the key.
Like if people are like oh, howdid these?
You know two white Jewish guysfrom 30 minutes outside New York
city.
How did they end up at thecenter of this thing?
(10:17):
It's relationships.
Yeah, and we showed up, Jeff canspeak exactly to that.
Like we care we, we never leftyou yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
By the way, did you see my uh andre, my pimpsy andre
3000 story?
Andre told that story on theshop yeah, I saw that, I saw
that I I had no idea.
He even knew that story.
I was watching it like wait, heknows what happened.
I was stunned.
He told the story like verbatim.
I was like did he get that fromhearing it's?
(10:49):
the real one, because hesomebody tell him Because he
literally told it verbatim towhat I thought.
I mean because it's a truestory.
But I was just shocked that heI didn't think he knew.
It's so funny, it's such a goodstory.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But like again, you know, jeff told that story not
off of any like, but not off anyclickbait.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
It was just we were having a story among friends,
but not off any clickbait.
It was just we were having.
We were having a story amongfriends, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, we're just kicking it, yeah, but but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It is funny how often that one clip goes crazy viral
yeah, but that's the same thingwith like uh, our, we
interviewed, uh travis scott hisfirst interview, that that
thing goes around every couplemonths yeah um and I wish that
people would tag us more.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Oh wait, piece I don't know if I said it, but
piece of scotty beam.
She was in the reviews too.
I don't want to forget her namebecause, no, no, totally you
know what.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah you know what's nice is that like again and,
jeff, I know you know this, likewe, we know all your
relationships, we know what youmeant.
Uh, to new york city andhip-hop.
You know, for a long, longperiod, across lots of different
eras, but for us, coming upduring the blog era, that we're
close to all these people, thatwe got to see the rise of people
(12:04):
like Scottie Beam, that we gotto see the rise of people like
Miss Info, that we got to like,see the rise and like we're all
coming up at this andrew barberfrom fake shore drive, like to
see how people move and to seehow people, um, you know, truly
like, were authentic in theirvoices and never strayed from
(12:25):
this thing.
There's a lot of people who usehip-hop to go to different
places, like, a lot of peoplecome on, but the, the, the
people who like, stay in thisthing, who love it, who have the
right reasons.
There's nothing better for usthan that.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And it is all about relationships.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We had Chris Atlas on our last episode and if there's
one thing you took away fromthat, it was relationship,
relationship, relationship, andthat is what he just kept saying
and I know, jeffrey, he's madea career out of those
relationships yeah, yeah, yeah,it matters and it's good to see
you guys.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Like you said, andrew , andrew, just recently
something big Did you just get ajob or something?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well, Andrew's doing a lot of things, but it is
always like, look, if you wereto tell, like young Jeff and
young Eric, that we would bebest friends with the Lox and we
would play a part in their tinydesk and we would have like
that in, you know, as a, youknow, a grown up young Andrew
Barber would have had his mindblown Right.
But, like but, these things arepossible because you put in the
(13:46):
work.
Like young Jeff Sledge may nothave, like, ever imagined that
he would, you know, be the guyconnecting the dots between
artists who make songs that spanthe world, that matter, that
are legendary.
But it's all about putting inthe work, keeping those
relationships and staying true,and that's just what it is.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, and it makes me feel good to see that happen.
That's what I was going to sayabout Andrew.
I saw that and I was like, ohshit.
And Andrew's a good dude too.
He says it's good to see allthese things manifest from
people just kind of staying trueto it and who love it for real
and not just using it to get thenext lick or whatever.
(14:30):
Yeah, yeah, you guys as well.
Thank you, you guys as well.
Yeah, can we tell the storyabout how we ran into each other
in White Plains?
Was it the day DMX died?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, they died right .
Well, it might have been the.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I think it was the memorial service.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, no, no.
Memorial service.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no,because we ran into each other
in because we were going to goto the.
We're going to go to thehospital, right, but I think,
yes, oh right, I think he was.
I think he was still alive, butwe did that's.
That is crazy.
Because that was crazy.
We, we ran into jeff.
And what's crazy is you mighthave been the first person that
(15:07):
we played the trailer for theblog era yes, in the car and in
the car.
Yep, yeah, but like it'ssomething crazy because, again,
you work on this project quietly, you know, you sort of like
don't want to spoil this foranybody.
You speak to so many peopleabout it, you put your heart
into this thing and then webuilt something.
(15:27):
I don't even think, jeff, thatwe put out, um, like any feelers
for, uh, for businessopportunities either.
At that point.
That was just like that.
That trailer was eventually foryou know, the Pharrell's to
hear, right, so you were, like,honestly, one of the first
people who even heard what wewere like the scope of the idea.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, and that was probably like well, like eight
months in or something, not sixmonths or something.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It was early like what like eight months in or
something, maybe like six monthsor something.
It was early, probably a littlelater, but yeah, but uh, yeah,
that was a very meaningful timeuh to do that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But also like I was going to the doctor, I was
coming from the doctor and youand you guys were in white
plains for the thing and we met.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, that's exactly right, oh you're here, yeah, but
but what was?
What was amazing was, uh, youknow, we've run into jeff, uh,
all around the city.
Uh, we saw jeff.
We saw jeff down in atlanta, uh, not too long ago.
This is something that thatcontinues on.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
That that really matters uh, it was like uh, I
just looked it up it was likesix to eight months in got it
yeah wow, wow, early on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, man, before we leave the podcast, though, you
had to have some crazyinterviews too, though, Any that
you want to share.
That did go off the rails.
I mean you had to have some.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, oh, there was a big writer who came over and oh
wait, I thought we were talkingabout Blog Air?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Wow, oh, we were talking.
I thought we were talking aboutblog error no, no, no, no, no,
no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Wow, either one, but the podcast too.
You have people in your house.
Yeah, some of those had to gocrazy, correct, yes, so uh,
there was a writer who came over.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Uh, jeff, jeff, uh, I think is is uh probably nicer
about the situation than maybe Iam, but he definitely
threatened to punch me.
Um, that interview never cameout.
Yeah, it was like you're in myhome and you're you're really
talking, like it was weird.
Um, yeah, there was, there wasthat.
Uh, kodak black came over.
Um, kodak had uh a half dozensecurity guys who would be like
(17:24):
inside our apartment, outsidethe door, downstairs at the
lobby door, like, and thenafterwards he disappeared.
He disappeared like we tookpictures, then he disappeared.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
His car was still there, security was still but
everybody was looking for himand where was he?
He was behind the church, likedown an alley, and he was peeing
outside.
And we're like, we're like,we're like we got like our
apartment has.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We have two bathrooms in our apartment and there's
one in the lobby, and he wasjust like he's more comfortable
that way.
It was like, okay, sure yeah,but they were like uh, yeah, um,
the the amount of people who,uh would show up not on time is
incredible.
Um, so we started that podcast,uh, making food for people,
(18:08):
which was a gimm gimmick.
That was a terrible idea,especially because no one wants
to hear anyone eating on themicrophone.
This is before, like ASMR andall that.
No one wants to eat cold food.
When the Migos came over, theysat there and stared at the food
that we like went out andbought for them, cause we were
(18:28):
going to make somethingdifferent.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And then they were like they had a rider they had
they had a rider, but like, thisis maybe like 10 minutes before
they showed up, and so theyasked for a whole litany of
things that we did not have.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So we ran across the street to a barbecue place.
We bought the stuff that theyasked for, put it, laid it out
like, got all of our like andwe're so proud of ourselves.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
We were like, wow, we like really pulled this thing
together, and they were justlike not crispy enough, and then
it just sat there and we feltlike dumb, yeah, um so.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But like you know, I thankfully about not crispy,
yeah, yeah thankfully,thankfully about 20 episodes in.
We were like you know whatlet's no longer gonna come.
Yeah, food was gone yeah grabthe food.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, sorry bye, sorry bye.
Two bathrooms in your apartmentin new york city is crazy it
crazy yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so,so, uh, so that that was that.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Um, I think that, like there's probably a a ton of
uh people who again would staylate, there was a, a guy named
jason rembert who is a bigstylist.
Um, worked with everyone fromlike odell, beckham, to lizzo to
cardi, like just a legendaryguy, really nice guy, uh.
We caught him, uh, as he was onhis way to la for some award
(19:50):
show.
It was a middle of the earth,it some award show, it was a
middle of the or it was supposedto be.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
It was supposed to be the following day, yeah, and
then he was like I my myschedule changed and I do it
tonight he had to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That night I had just Jeff was out of the house.
I was all by myself.
I burnt a pork chop right inthe oven, like like, caught on
fire, burnt, like this does notnormally happen right, sprayed
it with, sprayed it with thewith the fire extinguisher, like
I was sitting there.
This is very sad, but I wassitting there.
The only thing that like workedwas like I was making couscous
(20:20):
on the range, right, so I I putdown a trivet, I put down the
pot and I'm eating out of thepot.
It was very sad, right.
So the whole whole place issmoky.
I got all the windows open andit's below freezing, right, and
jeff calls me and he was like yo, jason's coming over right now.
I was like, tell him theapartment's on fire, like what
are you talking about?
And he still he was like no, Iwant to do it.
(20:44):
So he sat there in the smoky,cold and like you know, uh,
miserable situation.
It was like it would smell likea tailgate right in our
apartment and we're sittingthere, and he never wanted to
leave because, like I gottacatch an early flight.
Would you guys mind if I stayed?
We're like just hang out.
Yeah, but, yeah but it's alsolike two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
We're both like tired having eaten and possibly
asphyxiating ourselves yeah, andso um you were in his hotel
room because he didn't want toget a hotel room for his flight.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But we were like yo, like I know you don't want to go
home and wake your kid up, butlike can you go?
Like to the office or something.
He was like no, all right, I'mfine yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, it was like three or four in the morning
yeah, so anyway, um thathappened yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
That's funny, by the way and just and just.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
To be honest, we did five years of episodes.
We had a lot of fun, but iflike like to invite all these
people over to your home toalways, like you know, have a
clean bathroom, always.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
One last thing that was weird about doing the
podcast wait okay, one morequestion before I'm not to cut
you off.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Did anybody ever blow up the bathroom?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But the story I was going to tell was that there was
a girl who came over, who usedthe bathroom and then turned the
toilet paper around, like cheekin her head.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
No, but like no, it's not an ah, it's like this is
insane.
Who goes over to someone'sapartment and is like I'm so
uncomfortable with the rollgoing over?
I gotta like this is insane.
Who goes over to someone'sapartment and is like I'm so
uncomfortable with the rolegoing over?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I got to like I got to switch it, flip it around,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean, maybe it was like a Feng Shui thing, but it's
not like it fell off orsomething.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
This is like she made a concerted effort to flip it
around To lift it and flip it,flip it around.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, what Like that's.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
No, I don't know.
I could see a world.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Maybe not, I don't know.
We have separate apartments.
You can do your podcast howeveryou want.
Whichever way, you want thetoilet paper to go Flip over
right, that's right, that'sfunny, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Man, I feel like we could be talking to you for days
here if we wanted to.
Maybe we'll do this until 3 am,but as we get closer to an end
here, I do want to ask like Imean looking back what advice?
I mean there's so many peoplethat are now doing what you've
done Like what advice do yougive these young creators that
are out there right now that youwould love to have someone have
(23:11):
told you?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Totally Well.
If someone told me this, itwould have.
I would have been on the samepage, and so my advice is don't
stop.
I think the easiest thing to dois to announce you're going to
do something, put out oneepisode and then like, if you
don't get the views or the, thelistens is to call it, and it's
like, really, if you keep upwith something, you do things
(23:34):
with consistency and quality,you're going to be fine.
Like the audience will find you, I, you know we're we're
absolutely the best sort ofexample of doing something,
staying with it, not giving up.
Like you could have all thethings go against you.
You don't have the money, youdon't have the audience, you
(23:56):
don't have the access.
Again, we were nobodies.
We came from way outside thecenter of the circle.
We just stuck with something.
We did something different.
We didn't outstay our welcome.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's also that we brought something different.
I think that so often peoplesee something that's successful
and try and emulate that, and Ithink that my advice would be do
something that does not feellike everything else.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, there's already a there's already a Nori,
there's already a Joe button,there's already a shop right.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Like, but there's already a like now, thousands of
other things, and so it's likeby the way, podcasting is just a
medium.
You don't have to do a podcast,you can do something else, um,
and so I think that people havea very limited idea of what they
can do or what they should do,you know.
And I think that, um, people uhshould think outside the box
(24:55):
and not be uh, not not forcethemselves into what people have
already built.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yes, and and lastly, you know we are, we are guys who
.
We have a voice.
Um, we've sold out venues, butyou could put our name on the
marquee and people, we could dowhatever on that stage and
people would be like you knowwhat?
I don't know what they're goingto do that night, but I know
it's going to be a lot of fun.
(25:20):
I know it's going to beextremely interesting and I know
it's going to be very unique.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, which is to say again, I have experience as a
magician's assistant, so thatstage show is going to be
amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I would have loved to see one of those shows oh my
God, that is great advice, andI'm going to end with this
because we always do.
You can work with any brand,any musician, anyone to do
anything with, whether it's aninterview, whether it's a sketch
, whether it's whatever likewhat?
(25:54):
What's the dream?
What's the one thing that youhaven't done yet, and I'm sure
that it's going to continuallyevolve?
But what's the one thing thatyou haven't done yet and I'm
sure it's going to continuallyevolve.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But what's that thing on your mind now?
You'd love to have the chanceto do it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Play connect four with stevie wonder that was a
perfect answer.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Perfect answer.
What were you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
all right, yeah, that's good, we're gonna stick
to stick with that, yeah yeah,that's really good, jeffrey,
anything else?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Nah, because it'll turn into another half hour.
But you know I love these guys.
They're my guys.
We've had so many Besides theblog and all that.
We've just had so many personalexperiences and running, like
Eric said, running to each otheron the street in New York and
just you know, walking andtalking and just like you know,
just kicking it.
And you know I love these guysand you know I still send them
(26:46):
things on Instagram and Twitterfrom time to time about
Westchester.
You know, the best pizza andall that stuff.
These are my friends.
I love them.
I love them and I supporteverything they do.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
No, and and and again .
Relationships are everything.
No, and and and again.
Relationships are everything.
Uh, our, our friendship withjeff is so meaningful to us.
Um, it is something that, uh,again, you know, we love the
people in front of the cameras,those people behind the cameras,
are everything to us.
There's a reason that that theartists that you know and love
(27:17):
are successful, and it's notjust one person, right and so to
give people their flowers, toknow that there's people who
actively want to be a part ofthis thing, is important to know
, and I think that's why voiceslike Jeff's matter.
I think it's exciting for us tohelp tell those stories and to
(27:38):
be here 17 years into this thing, to be to be on your guys'
platform and, you know, askthese questions that we really,
really appreciate is amazing.
So thank you for that and andshout out to you guys for, you
know, doing the work for forbigging people up, that that
deserve it and we're justgrateful for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.
Well uh, for bigging people upthat.
That deserve it, and we're justgrateful for the opportunity.
Yeah Well, people, you got towatch the blog era.
If you haven't, if you haven'tlistened to it, you have to do
it, you have to do it.
It's so worth every minute oftime.
I love that I got to meet youguys.
I love that I got to talk toyou again.
I hope we stay in touch becauseI can't wait to see what you're
doing next, and I would be oneof those guys.
Just put your name up there.
I'm coming because I just wantto see what it is and hopefully
(28:20):
it's a magic show one day.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.
Alec Kazam, that's right, thereyou go.
Thank you guys sincerely.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thank you guys.
Thank you, cool, thank you.
Thank you All show.
Tune in to Unglossy, the codingbrand and culture, on Apple
Podcasts, spotify or YouTube andfollow us on Instagram, at
unglossypod, to join theconversation.
Until next time, I'm Tom Frank.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I'm Jeffrey Sledge.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Smicky, that was good .
previously on on glossy.
I just want to say, if peopleare listening and they're like,
wait, how did the guys dosketches and then end up in this
place where they're takenseriously as like documentarians
it is?
It is this thing where it'slike, look, we have the tools,
we're just using them in adifferent way because we're the
same guys.
We've always been.
(00:20):
It's the real.
We've always been like openly,like these funny guys who are
good storytellers, whether inour, our sketches, our music,
our uh like absurdist interviewswith people like stevie wonder
or, uh, the television show thatwe wrote.
That was not made,unfortunately, but all these
things.
The same thing that that tiesall these things together is
(00:42):
that we're talented storytellersFrom the top.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Frank.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm Mickey Fax.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
And I'm Jeffrey Sledge.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome to Unglossy, to Coney Brand and Culture.
I'm Tom Frank, partner andchief creative officer at Merit
Creative.
This is Mickey Fax, hip-hopartist and founder and CEO of
Pendulum Inc.
And that is Jeffrey Sledge, aseasoned music industry veteran
who has worked with some of thebiggest artists in the business.
We're here to explore themoments of vulnerability,
pivotal decisions and creativesparks that fuel the
(01:15):
relationship between brand andculture.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Get ready for a thought-provoking journey into
the heart and soul of brandingthe unscripted, unfiltered and
truly unglossy truth.
Yeah, I want to go back to thepodcast a little bit, because
you said you guys did it fiveyears and it really grew to like
this phenomenon, for lack of abetter term.
It was like everybody was on it, people watched it every week
(01:44):
and what was really interestingis that the podcasts were fairly
long.
It wasn't like they weren't 30minutes, they were like an hour
and a half, maybe two hours orsomething like that.
So, like you know, but peoplewould lock in to the whole shows
, you know, and really listen.
I remember, after my episodebeing on the train and stuff,
the kids coming up to me.
(02:05):
They're like yo, yo, yo, I sawyou on the show and I'm like, oh
shit, even I maybe didn'trespect how far reaching it was.
You know, I knew obviously itwas a big podcast pause, but I
didn't respect that.
Like I said, I would be in thestore and some kid would be like
yo, sledge, right, I'm like,what's up, man, I saw you on the
(02:29):
podcast.
It was really a thing, and Idid two episodes.
I did my interview and then wedid a year-end wrap-up, which
I'm so mad we didn't do more.
We did wrap-up with me andScottie Beam and I think Combat
Jack was there wrap up with meand Scotty.
Beam and I think Combat Jack wasthere and I think Jason
Rodriguez maybe yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
And Naomi Zeichner and Rembert.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Naomi yes, naomi, she was so cool and we just talked
about the end of the year andall the records that had come
out during the year and what wasthe best album, what was the
best, and that even got deep.
I remember it was just like youknow we were really debating
(03:12):
album what was the best, and youknow that even got deep, like I
remember, just like you know itwasn't, you know, we really
debating about what was what.
I mean, it was just a great um,and I think the fact that you
guys did it in your apartmentinstead of a studio actually
worked to the benefit because itwas really comfortable, because
it was somebody's crib, youknow, you ain't.
I mean you could be comfortablein the studio too, but, like
you said, being in those aroundthe kitchen table which is all
in politics now but literallybeing at the kitchen table
(03:32):
talking about whatever you'retalking about, you know, with
the refrigerator right there, Iremember when I was in, your
brother came in Like he camehome from work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like it waslike really comfortable it was.
It was, uh, I mean I'm going tolet you guys talk about it, but
please talk about it more.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
What's wild is it was it was originally conceived as
something that, like, we coulddo easily, right, like we got
the shortest commute, we justgot to walk right to our kitchen
, right, but it it, it did work,absolutely to our benefit, like
you said, because people wouldjust be comfortable.
If you walk into our apartmentnow, you see the pictures on the
(04:08):
wall, you see all the books,you know exactly who we are.
If you know us, you'recomfortable to begin with.
If you don't, like kevin gatescame by, we were so nervous,
right, we were just like we'veseen what he did, like on the
breakfast club, like we've seentoo many interviews go like left
, left, and we just didn't knowwhat to expect.
And he walked in and he gave thebiggest hug.
(04:31):
He's like I love your energy,right.
So we're like off the bat, offthe bat, but you know.
But if you're someone likejimmy jones who knows us, right,
he's not gonna leave for likeeight hours.
He just sits on the couch andlike that's it, right, he wants
to hang before, he wants to hangduring and he wants to hang
after and so like it's sort ofit's very nice, it does derail
your day, like there was a.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
There was a time when , um and again we're now talking
about like a waste of timewhere it was just like swizz
beats showed up at.
I want to say like one yeah, inthe morning, and then, uh,
around like 3 am, he was likehey, like what do you like with?
The podcast is done, like whatdo you guys want to do next?
And we were like I mean, likeI'm going to go to sleep.
And he was like no, no, come tothe studio.
(05:15):
And so he went to the studiowith Swizz.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Beatz yeah, but it's a crazy scenario where it's like
because you're at home, whereit's like because you're at home
, and I think I think, too, notto pat ourselves on the back,
but one of our talents is welisten, and I think that's
something that's so important topodcasting that most people
don't do.
You know, we're, we're so therewhen you're in the room just in
(05:39):
the moment, right?
So, and I think that we careabout things that maybe, like
other people might gloss over.
So, like Jeff is on the podcast, we're like yo, like what's it
like to grow up in White Plains,right, and like and, and then
you go from there and you're so,in the moment, it's just like
we're going to go through thiswhole arc.
We're going to hear directlyfrom this person.
(06:01):
Like we're at the kitchen table, we're listening, we're
actively a part of thisconversation.
You're going to get a resultthat's like deeper and more
meaningful than maybe like justthe sort of like yo, here's what
happened in the news this week.
So we offered somethingdifferent, right, and a lot of
people now come up to us and arejust like yo, what you guys
(06:24):
were podcasting like that early,and we're like oh, we podcasted
back in 09, right, like, wewere like podcasting, like,
since we were, we were honestlylike, on the very early end,
we're not the first ones shoutout to cypher sounds and peter
rosenberg, um, you know,obviously, uh, it's.
It's well documented theconversation that we had with
with reggie, with Jack, we werethe first ones to introduce him
(06:47):
to the idea of a podcast.
He came to our apartment withdonuts and was like you, you
guys must have made so much bankoff of this and we're like, oh
no, we're not.
And I think that's something,too, where it's like people can
(07:09):
see that we're two feet down inthis thing, that we care about
this thing.
I think a lot of the gueststhat we had, whether it was Jeff
or whether it was Sycamore orwhether it was Marcia St Hubert,
(07:29):
people that maybe you know,maybe you don't know, but
afterwards are so you know, like, wow, there's a dedication to
this thing of ours.
Right, we love, we love thepeople in front of the camera,
but boy do we love the peoplewho don't get the shine right
and I, you know, we puteverybody on the same uh level.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So, like you know, when we would promote like yo,
we did like 300 episodes orwhatever.
We make a big collage and itwas the same.
You know it was.
It was people behind the camerabut also people in front of the
camera who are just like mixedmom on Right and but, like, but,
(08:05):
like.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Her story is right there next to you know Rick Ross
or Lizzo, or you know Swiss, orwhoever it was, and that's very
, very meaningful and I thinkthat, jeff, you know you're
getting recognized off of that.
There are people who came up tous and, whether it was you know
(08:27):
, uh, uh, sycamore or dallasmartin or brocky marciano or
like, they were like yo, like,or like eb hamad or whoever it
is, they were like yo.
This has allowed me to work inthe industry, to understand how,
how to get in.
Like there's a place for me andthere's a job that I never knew
(08:48):
existed.
And I'm going to like we knowactual successful A&Rs at major
record companies who have brokenlegendary artists who got to
start from just being like youknow what I'm going to press
play on this episode of a wastetime, but it's the real and
that's the path that I'm gonnago after and that, to us, as
guys who, like we moved down tonew york city in 07, we were
(09:13):
doing these sketches.
We did not have regularnine-to-fives right, we were
dedicated to this thing and wewould spend all of our time
hanging out at record labelsright, we would sneak in.
We got no security, like theywould just send us through.
We would walk around and wewould sit down with people like
Sam Crespo.
We would sit down, who's amajor radio guy, but, like you
(09:35):
know, maybe no one's going tolike give him his flowers until
we did Right.
Or we're going to hang out withChris Atlas, or we're going to
you know, Ashley Kamenowitz,nordea West.
Yeah, like different people who,like, were just around, you get
to know them.
You show your face, maybe whenthey're like you know what?
I want to promote my artist andtheir new project.
(09:56):
I'm going to come to you guys.
Los Ogundo, you're top of mind.
Yeah, you know June Cardona,like all these people that like,
you know we, we got to be veryclose with those relationships
and that's the key.
Like if people are like oh, howdid these?
You know two white Jewish guysfrom 30 minutes outside New York
city.
How did they end up at thecenter of this thing?
(10:17):
It's relationships.
Yeah, and we showed up, Jeff canspeak exactly to that.
Like we care we, we never leftyou yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
By the way, did you see my uh andre, my pimpsy andre
3000 story?
Andre told that story on theshop yeah, I saw that, I saw
that I I had no idea.
He even knew that story.
I was watching it like wait, heknows what happened.
I was stunned.
He told the story like verbatim.
I was like did he get that fromhearing it's?
(10:49):
the real one, because hesomebody tell him Because he
literally told it verbatim towhat I thought.
I mean because it's a truestory.
But I was just shocked that heI didn't think he knew.
It's so funny, it's such a goodstory.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But like again, you know, jeff told that story not
off of any like, but not off anyclickbait.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
It was just we were having a story among friends,
but not off any clickbait.
It was just we were having.
We were having a story amongfriends, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, we're just kicking it, yeah, but but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It is funny how often that one clip goes crazy viral
yeah, but that's the same thingwith like uh, our, we
interviewed, uh travis scott hisfirst interview, that that
thing goes around every couplemonths yeah um and I wish that
people would tag us more.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Oh wait, piece I don't know if I said it, but
piece of scotty beam.
She was in the reviews too.
I don't want to forget her namebecause, no, no, totally you
know what.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah you know what's nice is that like again and,
jeff, I know you know this, likewe, we know all your
relationships, we know what youmeant.
Uh, to new york city andhip-hop.
You know, for a long, longperiod, across lots of different
eras, but for us, coming upduring the blog era, that we're
close to all these people, thatwe got to see the rise of people
(12:04):
like Scottie Beam, that we gotto see the rise of people like
Miss Info, that we got to like,see the rise and like we're all
coming up at this andrew barberfrom fake shore drive, like to
see how people move and to seehow people, um, you know, truly
like, were authentic in theirvoices and never strayed from
(12:25):
this thing.
There's a lot of people who usehip-hop to go to different
places, like, a lot of peoplecome on, but the, the, the
people who like, stay in thisthing, who love it, who have the
right reasons.
There's nothing better for usthan that.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And it is all about relationships.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We had Chris Atlas on our last episode and if there's
one thing you took away fromthat, it was relationship,
relationship, relationship, andthat is what he just kept saying
and I know, jeffrey, he's madea career out of those
relationships yeah, yeah, yeah,it matters and it's good to see
you guys.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Like you said, andrew , andrew, just recently
something big Did you just get ajob or something?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well, Andrew's doing a lot of things, but it is
always like, look, if you wereto tell, like young Jeff and
young Eric, that we would bebest friends with the Lox and we
would play a part in their tinydesk and we would have like
that in, you know, as a, youknow, a grown up young Andrew
Barber would have had his mindblown Right.
But, like but, these things arepossible because you put in the
(13:46):
work.
Like young Jeff Sledge may nothave, like, ever imagined that
he would, you know, be the guyconnecting the dots between
artists who make songs that spanthe world, that matter, that
are legendary.
But it's all about putting inthe work, keeping those
relationships and staying true,and that's just what it is.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, and it makes me feel good to see that happen.
That's what I was going to sayabout Andrew.
I saw that and I was like, ohshit.
And Andrew's a good dude too.
He says it's good to see allthese things manifest from
people just kind of staying trueto it and who love it for real
and not just using it to get thenext lick or whatever.
(14:30):
Yeah, yeah, you guys as well.
Thank you, you guys as well.
Yeah, can we tell the storyabout how we ran into each other
in White Plains?
Was it the day DMX died?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, they died right .
Well, it might have been the.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I think it was the memorial service.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, no, no.
Memorial service.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no,because we ran into each other
in because we were going to goto the.
We're going to go to thehospital, right, but I think,
yes, oh right, I think he was.
I think he was still alive, butwe did that's.
That is crazy.
Because that was crazy.
We, we ran into jeff.
And what's crazy is you mighthave been the first person that
(15:07):
we played the trailer for theblog era yes, in the car and in
the car.
Yep, yeah, but like it'ssomething crazy because, again,
you work on this project quietly, you know, you sort of like
don't want to spoil this foranybody.
You speak to so many peopleabout it, you put your heart
into this thing and then webuilt something.
(15:27):
I don't even think, jeff, thatwe put out, um, like any feelers
for, uh, for businessopportunities either.
At that point.
That was just like that.
That trailer was eventually foryou know, the Pharrell's to
hear, right, so you were, like,honestly, one of the first
people who even heard what wewere like the scope of the idea.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, and that was probably like well, like eight
months in or something, not sixmonths or something.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It was early like what like eight months in or
something, maybe like six monthsor something.
It was early, probably a littlelater, but yeah, but uh, yeah,
that was a very meaningful timeuh to do that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But also like I was going to the doctor, I was
coming from the doctor and youand you guys were in white
plains for the thing and we met.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, that's exactly right, oh you're here, yeah, but
but what was?
What was amazing was, uh, youknow, we've run into jeff, uh,
all around the city.
Uh, we saw jeff.
We saw jeff down in atlanta, uh, not too long ago.
This is something that thatcontinues on.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
That that really matters uh, it was like uh, I
just looked it up it was likesix to eight months in got it
yeah wow, wow, early on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, man, before we leave the podcast, though, you
had to have some crazyinterviews too, though, Any that
you want to share.
That did go off the rails.
I mean you had to have some.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, oh, there was a big writer who came over and oh
wait, I thought we were talkingabout Blog Air?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Wow, oh, we were talking.
I thought we were talking aboutblog error no, no, no, no, no,
no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Wow, either one, but the podcast too.
You have people in your house.
Yeah, some of those had to gocrazy, correct, yes, so uh,
there was a writer who came over.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Uh, jeff, jeff, uh, I think is is uh probably nicer
about the situation than maybe Iam, but he definitely
threatened to punch me.
Um, that interview never cameout.
Yeah, it was like you're in myhome and you're you're really
talking, like it was weird.
Um, yeah, there was, there wasthat.
Uh, kodak black came over.
Um, kodak had uh a half dozensecurity guys who would be like
(17:24):
inside our apartment, outsidethe door, downstairs at the
lobby door, like, and thenafterwards he disappeared.
He disappeared like we tookpictures, then he disappeared.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
His car was still there, security was still but
everybody was looking for himand where was he?
He was behind the church, likedown an alley, and he was peeing
outside.
And we're like, we're like,we're like we got like our
apartment has.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We have two bathrooms in our apartment and there's
one in the lobby, and he wasjust like he's more comfortable
that way.
It was like, okay, sure yeah,but they were like uh, yeah, um,
the the amount of people who,uh would show up not on time is
incredible.
Um, so we started that podcast,uh, making food for people,
(18:08):
which was a gimm gimmick.
That was a terrible idea,especially because no one wants
to hear anyone eating on themicrophone.
This is before, like ASMR andall that.
No one wants to eat cold food.
When the Migos came over, theysat there and stared at the food
that we like went out andbought for them, cause we were
(18:28):
going to make somethingdifferent.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And then they were like they had a rider they had
they had a rider, but like, thisis maybe like 10 minutes before
they showed up, and so theyasked for a whole litany of
things that we did not have.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So we ran across the street to a barbecue place.
We bought the stuff that theyasked for, put it, laid it out
like, got all of our like andwe're so proud of ourselves.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
We were like, wow, we like really pulled this thing
together, and they were justlike not crispy enough, and then
it just sat there and we feltlike dumb, yeah, um so.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But like you know, I thankfully about not crispy,
yeah, yeah thankfully,thankfully about 20 episodes in.
We were like you know whatlet's no longer gonna come.
Yeah, food was gone yeah grabthe food.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, sorry bye, sorry bye.
Two bathrooms in your apartmentin new york city is crazy it
crazy yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so,so, uh, so that that was that.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Um, I think that, like there's probably a a ton of
uh people who again would staylate, there was a, a guy named
jason rembert who is a bigstylist.
Um, worked with everyone fromlike odell, beckham, to lizzo to
cardi, like just a legendaryguy, really nice guy, uh.
We caught him, uh, as he was onhis way to la for some award
(19:50):
show.
It was a middle of the earth,it some award show, it was a
middle of the or it was supposedto be.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
It was supposed to be the following day, yeah, and
then he was like I my myschedule changed and I do it
tonight he had to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That night I had just Jeff was out of the house.
I was all by myself.
I burnt a pork chop right inthe oven, like like, caught on
fire, burnt, like this does notnormally happen right, sprayed
it with, sprayed it with thewith the fire extinguisher, like
I was sitting there.
This is very sad, but I wassitting there.
The only thing that like workedwas like I was making couscous
(20:20):
on the range, right, so I I putdown a trivet, I put down the
pot and I'm eating out of thepot.
It was very sad, right.
So the whole whole place issmoky.
I got all the windows open andit's below freezing, right, and
jeff calls me and he was like yo, jason's coming over right now.
I was like, tell him theapartment's on fire, like what
are you talking about?
And he still he was like no, Iwant to do it.
(20:44):
So he sat there in the smoky,cold and like you know, uh,
miserable situation.
It was like it would smell likea tailgate right in our
apartment and we're sittingthere, and he never wanted to
leave because, like I gottacatch an early flight.
Would you guys mind if I stayed?
We're like just hang out.
Yeah, but, yeah but it's alsolike two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
We're both like tired having eaten and possibly
asphyxiating ourselves yeah, andso um you were in his hotel
room because he didn't want toget a hotel room for his flight.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But we were like yo, like I know you don't want to go
home and wake your kid up, butlike can you go?
Like to the office or something.
He was like no, all right, I'mfine yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, it was like three or four in the morning
yeah, so anyway, um thathappened yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
That's funny, by the way and just and just.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
To be honest, we did five years of episodes.
We had a lot of fun, but iflike like to invite all these
people over to your home toalways, like you know, have a
clean bathroom, always.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
One last thing that was weird about doing the
podcast wait okay, one morequestion before I'm not to cut
you off.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Did anybody ever blow up the bathroom?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But the story I was going to tell was that there was
a girl who came over, who usedthe bathroom and then turned the
toilet paper around, like cheekin her head.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
No, but like no, it's not an ah, it's like this is
insane.
Who goes over to someone'sapartment and is like I'm so
uncomfortable with the rollgoing over?
I gotta like this is insane.
Who goes over to someone'sapartment and is like I'm so
uncomfortable with the rolegoing over?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I got to like I got to switch it, flip it around,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean, maybe it was like a Feng Shui thing, but it's
not like it fell off orsomething.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
This is like she made a concerted effort to flip it
around To lift it and flip it,flip it around.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, what Like that's.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
No, I don't know.
I could see a world.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Maybe not, I don't know.
We have separate apartments.
You can do your podcast howeveryou want.
Whichever way, you want thetoilet paper to go Flip over
right, that's right, that'sfunny, that's funny.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Man, I feel like we could be talking to you for days
here if we wanted to.
Maybe we'll do this until 3 am,but as we get closer to an end
here, I do want to ask like Imean looking back what advice?
I mean there's so many peoplethat are now doing what you've
done Like what advice do yougive these young creators that
are out there right now that youwould love to have someone have
(23:11):
told you?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Totally Well.
If someone told me this, itwould have.
I would have been on the samepage, and so my advice is don't
stop.
I think the easiest thing to dois to announce you're going to
do something, put out oneepisode and then like, if you
don't get the views or the, thelistens is to call it, and it's
like, really, if you keep upwith something, you do things
(23:34):
with consistency and quality,you're going to be fine.
Like the audience will find you, I, you know we're we're
absolutely the best sort ofexample of doing something,
staying with it, not giving up.
Like you could have all thethings go against you.
You don't have the money, youdon't have the audience, you
(23:56):
don't have the access.
Again, we were nobodies.
We came from way outside thecenter of the circle.
We just stuck with something.
We did something different.
We didn't outstay our welcome.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's also that we brought something different.
I think that so often peoplesee something that's successful
and try and emulate that, and Ithink that my advice would be do
something that does not feellike everything else.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, there's already a there's already a Nori,
there's already a Joe button,there's already a shop right.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Like, but there's already a like now, thousands of
other things, and so it's likeby the way, podcasting is just a
medium.
You don't have to do a podcast,you can do something else, um,
and so I think that people havea very limited idea of what they
can do or what they should do,you know.
And I think that, um, people uhshould think outside the box
(24:55):
and not be uh, not not forcethemselves into what people have
already built.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yes, and and lastly, you know we are, we are guys who
.
We have a voice.
Um, we've sold out venues, butyou could put our name on the
marquee and people, we could dowhatever on that stage and
people would be like you knowwhat?
I don't know what they're goingto do that night, but I know
it's going to be a lot of fun.
(25:20):
I know it's going to beextremely interesting and I know
it's going to be very unique.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Well, which is to say again, I have experience as a
magician's assistant, so thatstage show is going to be
amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I would have loved to see one of those shows oh my
God, that is great advice, andI'm going to end with this
because we always do.
You can work with any brand,any musician, anyone to do
anything with, whether it's aninterview, whether it's a sketch
, whether it's whatever likewhat?
(25:54):
What's the dream?
What's the one thing that youhaven't done yet, and I'm sure
that it's going to continuallyevolve?
But what's the one thing thatyou haven't done yet and I'm
sure it's going to continuallyevolve.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
But what's that thing on your mind now?
You'd love to have the chanceto do it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Play connect four with stevie wonder that was a
perfect answer.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Perfect answer.
What were you gonna say?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
all right, yeah, that's good, we're gonna stick
to stick with that, yeah yeah,that's really good, jeffrey,
anything else?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Nah, because it'll turn into another half hour.
But you know I love these guys.
They're my guys.
We've had so many Besides theblog and all that.
We've just had so many personalexperiences and running, like
Eric said, running to each otheron the street in New York and
just you know, walking andtalking and just like you know,
just kicking it.
And you know I love these guysand you know I still send them
(26:46):
things on Instagram and Twitterfrom time to time about
Westchester.
You know, the best pizza andall that stuff.
These are my friends.
I love them.
I love them and I supporteverything they do.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
No, and and and again .
Relationships are everything.
No, and and and again.
Relationships are everything.
Uh, our, our friendship withjeff is so meaningful to us.
Um, it is something that, uh,again, you know, we love the
people in front of the cameras,those people behind the cameras,
are everything to us.
There's a reason that that theartists that you know and love
(27:17):
are successful, and it's notjust one person, right and so to
give people their flowers, toknow that there's people who
actively want to be a part ofthis thing, is important to know
, and I think that's why voiceslike Jeff's matter.
I think it's exciting for us tohelp tell those stories and to
(27:38):
be here 17 years into this thing, to be to be on your guys'
platform and, you know, askthese questions that we really,
really appreciate is amazing.
So thank you for that and andshout out to you guys for, you
know, doing the work for forbigging people up, that that
deserve it and we're justgrateful for the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah.
Well uh, for bigging people upthat.
That deserve it, and we're justgrateful for the opportunity.
Yeah Well, people, you got towatch the blog era.
If you haven't, if you haven'tlistened to it, you have to do
it, you have to do it.
It's so worth every minute oftime.
I love that I got to meet youguys.
I love that I got to talk toyou again.
I hope we stay in touch becauseI can't wait to see what you're
doing next, and I would be oneof those guys.
Just put your name up there.
I'm coming because I just wantto see what it is and hopefully
(28:20):
it's a magic show one day.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.
Alec Kazam, that's right, thereyou go.
Thank you guys sincerely.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thank you guys.
Thank you, cool, thank you.
Thank you All show.
Tune in to Unglossy, the codingbrand and culture, on Apple
Podcasts, spotify or YouTube andfollow us on Instagram, at
unglossypod, to join theconversation.
Until next time, I'm Tom Frank.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I'm Jeffrey Sledge.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Smicky, that was good .
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