July 10, 2024 • 25 mins
HAND RECAP (6 handed, final table, 300K/600K blinds - 600K BB ante)
Ben Tollerene (55M chips) raises to 1.2M from UTG with J♣ T♦. Taylor von Kriegenbergh (22M chips) calls from the Button with K♠ K♥.
(Stack size notes: This is a battle between the top two stacks. There are two short stacked players with around 10 big blinds each.)
Flop K♣ 6♦ 3♥. Tollerene bets 900K. TVK calls.
Turn 9♥. Tollerene bets 1.7M. TVK calls.
River Q♦. Tollerene 2.8M. TVK raises to 8.8M. Tollerene moves all-in. TVK calls 9.3M more.
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Written Version of This Episode
00:00 Introduction and Overview
02:30 Discussion of Tyler Von Kriegenbergh's Flat with Pocket Kings
04:29 Flop Analysis: Top Set vs. Air Ball
06:22 Turn Strategy: Straight Draw Development
08:19 River Decision: Nut Straight vs. Top Set
10:46 Evaluating the All-In and Call Scenarios
12:55 Final Thoughts on ICM Pressure and Strategy
14:34 Conclusion and Upswing Lab Promo
In this episode of our poker strategy podcast, hosts Mike Brady and Aaron Barone dissect an intense hand from the $250,000 Super High Roller tournament at the World Series of Poker (WSOP). With over $5 million on the line for the winner, the stakes couldn’t be higher, and this hand showcases the complexities and high-pressure decisions that define top-level poker. Mike and Aaron walk listeners through each stage of the hand, breaking down the moves and thought processes of the players involved to provide a comprehensive analysis.
The hand begins with Ben Tollerene, the overwhelming chip leader, raising under the gun with Jack-Ten offsuit, a decision influenced by his deep stack and ability to apply pressure on the shorter stacks at the table. The discussion moves to Tyler Von Kriegenbergh’s choice to flat-call with pocket Kings on the button, a move that sets the stage for a dynamic post-flop battle. Aaron explains why this call, rather than a three-bet, maximizes value by potentially inducing action from the blinds or allowing Tollerene to barrel into him with weaker hands.
Listeners will learn about the critical decision points as the board develops with a King-High f
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Mike (00:00):
With over $5 million on the line.
This might be the sickestbad beat you've ever seen.
I'm Mike Brady and I've got TournamentPro Aaron Barone here to break it down
for you. You ready tosee this one out, Aaron?
Aaron (00:12):
I'm ready.
Mike (00:13):
This is a hand from the $250,000 buy-in super high roller tournament at
the World Series of Poker this year.
It just wrapped up right before westarted recording this and it is,
as I said in the intro, very, very nasty.
Here are the stack configurations tostart the hand. Six players remain.
Ben Tollerene is the overwhelmingchip leader at this point.
(00:34):
He's got about 55 million,
which is not so much under a hundred bigblinds with the blinds at 300k, 600k.
Then Tyler Von Kriegenbergh,
the other player in this hand battlingBen Tollerene is the second place chip
stack. He's got 22 million,
so second place but still quitea bit behind Ben Tollerene,
(00:55):
he's got a little under 40 big blindsand then stacks from there really
fall off.
Two players have around 12 million for20 big blinds and then two players have 6
million for 10 big blinds each.So a couple quite short stacks,
big pay jumps on the line here.
With each pay jump being worth at leasta quarter million dollars if not more
(01:15):
so lasting in thistournament is very valuable.
You mainly want to avoidbig confrontations,
but somehow that's still whathappens here in this hand.
It kicks off with Ben Tollerene raisingit up under the gun six handed with Jack
ten offsuit comes in for a minraise. Aaron, is this too loose?
Good raise? He's the chipleader. What do you think?
Aaron (01:35):
I don't think it's too loose at all.
I mean I think his cards here aren'tnearly as relevant as they would be in a
normal situation because of just how manychips he has and how much pressure he
can put on this table. So is Jackten a little bit loose just in terms
of an overall hand strengthat this point? Yeah, maybe,
but I think he could be openingeven wider than this just again,
(01:56):
because of how often people are goingto be folding and if people are going to
fold too much, then youcan open more combos.
Mike (02:02):
We did run this one in Hold'em Resources calculator.
We plugged in the pay jumps,
we plugged in the stack sizes like we dobefore every one of these episodes and
Aaron is right on the money Jack tenoffsuit is certainly a profitable raise
for Ben Tollerene under the gun here.
He could even raise Jack nine offsuithere. It's right on the borderline,
(02:22):
so he makes a good raisewith that Jack ten.
Then it starts to get really interesting.
It gets to Tyler Von Kriegenbergh whothe commentators we're calling TVK. I'm
going to try to do that. I like thatacronym. He has Kings on the button,
pocket Kings again, he'saround 40 big blinds,
more like 37 big blinds deepagainst Ben Tollerene and again,
we have pretty brutal ICM pressure on himright now where he really doesn't want
(02:46):
to bust out since there'sfour stacks shorter than him,
two of which are veryshort, around 10 big blinds.
So with these kings on the button, Aaron,
are you always three betting?Are you ever just calling?
How are you approaching the spot?
Aaron (03:01):
Given the stack setup I think the right play is
actually to flat almost your entirerange and I know it feels really
uncomfortable.
We're so used to just taking a hand likekings and three betting it for value.
People don't trap with it as much asthey do Aces because they're afraid of an
ace on the flop and they have kings,
but he doesn't want to go broke hereand I actually think the best way to do
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that is to flat given how the sizeof the pot will be. Even if your
opponent bets half or two thirds,
he still might not go broke by theriver if he is beat at some point in the
hand. Obviously if the board runsout terribly for him he can fold.
It's an extremely strong hand of coursepre-flop and we know the chip leader is
opening wide.
There's some value therethat your opponent has not only a worse hand but a hand
(03:46):
that might just barrel into youtrying to move you off something.
So I like flatting and the last partabout it that I want to mention is that
when TVK flats here, it gives theblinds a chance to squeeze jam.
Now if Huni in the small blindhas a hand like pocket nines,
he might say, I've got 20 bigs,chip leader's opening wide,
(04:06):
other player flats behind,I'm going to jam nines.
And if TVK decides to three bet here,
those nines really shrink up and thesame goes for Hook who has 10 big blinds
who also might squeeze jam. So I thinkthis play of flatting Kings is going to
lead to the most profit both justplaying the hand in position against your
opponent and the potentialfor players to squeeze behind.
Mike (04:28):
Really has a dream scenario to flat with the kings here and then Huni in
the small blind shoves all inand then you end up stacking him.
And then to your point Aaron,
we can once again confirm that whatyou're saying is correct from our HRC
calculation.
Calling is the most profitable linewith Pocket Kings here if you want the
specific numbers.
Calling makes $97,600 in thisspot given the pay jumps and
(04:53):
everything and then three bettingto a non all in size makes about
$1,500 less than that. Sonot a huge, huge difference,
but a non-negligible difference forthe calling being the more profitable
route.
So that is the one that TVK decidesto go with. He just flicks in the
call. The blinds have junky hands,
(05:13):
they get out of the way and we're goingto go to the flop with about 4 million
in the middle,
21 million behind with thefirst and second chip stacks
colliding and we get a Kingsix three rainbow flop.
Once again,
the hands are Jack ten for Ben Tollereneunder the gun and pocket kings for Von
Kriegenbergh and that's going tobe top set for TVK and an absolute
(05:37):
air ball for Ben Tollerene. He's justgot some backdoor straight draws.
The action is on Ben, how are youplaying this one in his shoes, Aaron,
are you firing acontinuation bet in there?
Aaron (05:46):
So he does have an air ball as you mentioned, but a king high,
somewhat disconnected dry boards arereally great boards to be continuation
betting. We know that TVK haskings, he's not going anywhere,
but if he's sitting there with a handlike sevens or he flatted ace queen suited
pre or ace five suited even a handlike pocket nines don't feel that
(06:07):
great and sure he's probably goingto call one bet, but as I said,
other hands like Ace Queen could fold,
Queen Jack could fold Queen ten suitedcould fold and Tollerene has Jack High,
which in this exact spot mightnot be the bottom of his range,
but it's certainly getting there. I thinkthe board texture is good for him to
bet,
I am going to be firing a continuationbet here and again on drier boards you
(06:28):
probably want to pick a smaller size,
so something around a quarterpot should get it done.
Mike (06:32):
Ben Tollerene does reach for chips and drops a 900K bet into the
pot. So around a quarter of the pot,
25% and it's on TVK getting agreat price. He's got top set.
He's obviously not going anywhere.
Are you doing anything butjust calling here Aaron?
Aaron (06:50):
No, I can't.
I mean folding would obviously bethe worst thing we've ever seen.
Raising is actually not that far behind.
You expect your opponentto have a wide range.
You have the nuts on a very dry boardand we have an idea of how this is going
to go. So some people say,
well I would raise and tryto take this pot down. Cool.
You really get a lot of value by lettingyour opponent bluff and at this point
(07:13):
we can see by the numbers he'sgot a 97% chance to win the hand,
not a hundred still 97 is pretty good.
Even if you think about the bluffsTollerene could have here that have equity
against you, you're most afraid ofwhat? Like five four of diamonds.
So you're still like 80 ish percent.So definitely just want to be calling,
giving your opponent the chance tobluff some turns and potentially rivers.
Mike (07:36):
Yeah, he's got the deck absolutely crushed here, right?
I think most people would know that thisis a pretty clear spot to slow play.
I think the people who are going to havethat comment about I wouldn't get this
bad beat, I would've playedthe kings differently.
They're probably going to make thatcomment about preflop. So get in the
comments below if you do think thisis a clear three bet preflop and you
would've avoided this whole messthat TVK is about to find himself in.
(07:59):
Turn is the nine of hearts.
So the board is king three sixrainbow turn nine of hearts.
That's the second heart. Sothere is a flush draw now.
Ben Tollerene picks up thatstraight draw with his Jack ten.
There's a little under 6 millionin the pot, 20 million behind.
Are you continuing the aggressionin Ben Tollerene's shoes here?
Aaron (08:19):
I think I am.
One thing that happens when you picka really small size on the flop,
even on a dry board like King six threeis your opponents going to continue with
a wider range than ifyou picked a bigger size.
So if Tollerene had picked a size of twothirds on the flop for some reason and
got called, I'd be morelikely to shut down like okay,
he called a big bet on theflop, it was pretty dry,
(08:41):
but when he picks a quarter pot sizing,
there are hands that TVK canfloat with that he thinks might be
the best hand,
they're going to call for that size.He could have a hand like Ace Queen of
clubs like well I have Ace high backdoorflush draw, I'm going to call one.
I'd mentioned pocket sevensor Pocket eights earlier.
Even a hand like seven six suited,
they're not going to fold flop butat this point given the ICM pressure,
(09:03):
you could see all those hands foldingto a turn barrel and Jack High is behind
all of those hands. So yeah,
I like the idea of betting again and thistime I would probably size up a little
bit and see if that got through.
Mike (09:15):
Ben Tollerene does reach for chips,
fires out another bet onthe turn for 1.7 million,
so about one third pot now is thatabout the size you were thinking Aaron,
or would you juice itup even more than that?
Aaron (09:27):
I would've gone bigger in this spot.
I do think when he picks this size thatthe hand I mentioned like Ace Queen
might fold,
but I think the size is a little toosmall and I think at final tables you are
supposed to pick slightly smaller sizingthan just Chip EV because it's the ICM,
but I think a bigger size is goingto make more of his range fold
(09:49):
and even when you'rebetting here for value
with a hand like kingqueen or pocket sixes,
I think you're probably pickinga bigger size. I don't hate it,
but I think typically I wouldpick a bigger size here around
60% and I think that's going to do abetter job of applying pressure to TVK's
(10:12):
range.
Mike (10:12):
That even kind of brings stacks into play on the river, right?
Because if he were to bet two thirdson the turn going into the river,
there'd be about 14 million in thereand Von Kriegenbergh would have about 16
million behind.
So Tollerene could evenshove or nearly shove on the
river if he were to bet bigger on thisturn, he's clearly not playing that game,
he's not trying to getStacks in here necessarily.
(10:33):
He's going with this one third pot beton the turn and that means there's going
to be about 9 million in the middle ifhe gets called and TVK will still have
about 19 million behind.
So stacks not really in play there. Hecan't really shove for two X pot in this
scenario. So Ben Tollerene clearlytaking kind of a different approach.
Aaron (10:51):
I think my issue with picking the smaller size here is
by not putting the pressure or at leastthe thought in TVK's mind that you could
be playing for Stacks here,
you don't get as much fold equity nownumber one and number two that sort of
is the whole basis of ICM ofputting pressure on the smaller
stacks is thinking or making them thinkat least look you might have to play for
(11:14):
your whole stack here andrisk losing out on a payjump.
So if TVK is flatting Kings pre,
we could imagine he's alsoflatting hands like Jacks, tens,
queens pre and if Tollerenefires a small bet here,
I think those hands never fold, right?You're getting an amazing price,
you still have position and you don'thave to worry about playing for stacks on
the river and riskingbusting out in sixth,
(11:36):
but if Tollerene picks the big size here,
I think all those second pair type handsare going to be put in a really tough
spot and the right play is going to beto fold because not only are you worried
about calling the betright now you're thinking,
well I might have to face a pot sizedshove on the end and what am I going to do
unless if I hit my two outer.
Mike (11:56):
I think that's a great point.
If TVK has a hand like tenshere and he faces a bigger bet,
he might just get out of the way.It's really not a great spot,
but against this small one third potbet, I think he probably just peels.
I mean his stack isn't reallyin play. Like you said,
he's still going to be second in chipsby a decent margin if he calls the turn
and has to fold the riverand loses the pot. So yeah,
(12:18):
I think Tollerene certainly could generatea lot more folds on the turn with the
bigger size as you would expect.
But in any case he does go for the smallersize and now there is a flush draw on
board like we discussed.
There's some straight draws nowor some additional straight draws.
So now with your top set as TVK,
is this a point where you can considerstarting to fast play and put in a
(12:42):
raise or is this clearly still justfalling squarely into the calling range?
Aaron (12:47):
Well the flush draw isn't as bad as it looks. Yes,
a heart could come and that's not greatfor you but you do have a heart in your
hand so that blocks one ofthe hearts from falling.
The other heart that couldcome is a six of hearts,
which would be great for you unlessthey have pocket sixes because the board
would pair and you'd have a full house.
So I don't think the flush draw isnecessarily a reason to be raising here.
(13:10):
You still have the nuts,
you still are in position andI would still opt for a call.
I think there are other handsyou could consider raising here,
but you also want to thinkabout if you're in TVK's spot,
what bluffs are you raising?
Are you going to be raising herewith the jack ten of hearts?
I mean you're in position versus a smallbet versus a chip leader you really
(13:32):
don't want to get jammed on or playedback at. I think this entire hand starts
with TVK playing a bit carefullywith the kings and I think
that's totally reasonable, but ifyou're going to take that line,
I don't think you're going to have manybluffs on the turn that raise anyway.
So I think again,
you're in this weird spot whereyour entire range should probably,
I mean your continuing rangeshould probably just flat.
Mike (13:55):
That makes sense.
He is incentivized to keep that potsmaller even with hands like this
potentially.
So he does call with the topset now there's 9 million in the pot going into the
river and it's disastrous.
Offsuit queen couldn't even be the queenof hearts so the flush gets in too,
just the offsuit queen making thefinal board King six three turn
(14:16):
nine river Queen Ben Tollerene issitting there with the nut straight
with his jack ten offsuit.
TVK has 18 million in hisstack and there's 9 million in the middle. So like we
talked about on the turn, shoving notreally in play for Ben Tollerene here,
it would be far too big of a sizein an ICM scenario, at least.
9 million in the middle. Aaron,
(14:37):
how are you sizing this one withTVK having 18 million behind?
Aaron (14:40):
So I wouldn't have picked this small size on the turn very often,
but I think when yougo small size on turn,
picking a small size on river kind ofmakes sense. I think a lot of players,
what they'll do is they'll pick one sizewhen they have a strong hand and one
size when they don't and if you fall intothat trap it's going to be a bad time.
Other players are goingto figure that out.
(15:01):
So I think picking a small sizehere of maybe 2.8 to 3.5 makes
sense.
I also think picking a bigger size of6.5 to 7 makes sense if you think about
what TVKs range looks like.If I was in Tollerene's spot,
sure I would've thoughtkings are possible,
but I would've thought hands morelike king queen, pocket nines,
(15:23):
maybe even King Jack or Kingten if those hands get here,
all those hands are either toppair with a straight blocker,
which is a good bluff catcher or twopair plus and those hands aren't folding
for a pretty big size. So I could seeTollerene here picking a really big size,
it's totally fine, but basedat how he's played the hand,
I wouldn't be surprised ifhe picked a smaller size.
Mike (15:45):
Yeah,
I guess the idea would be if you go forthe big size you're just trying to get
them to make that kind of cryingcall with top pair and a straight
blocker, maybe a weaker twopair or something like that.
I mean a set is certainlycalling any bet size,
but that kind of brings me to aquestion that I have for you when we're
(16:06):
comparing the two kind ofsizing options for Ben here,
he either can go for a small block sizeor he can go bigger. If he goes for
the block size TVK is goingto be more likely to raise
with second best hands likea hand like pocket nines,
which is a turned set that might justcall against a big bet on the river but
(16:26):
against a block bet if BenTollerene goes small pocket nines
probably feels like it's worth a raise.
Maybe it feels like it's worth theraise against the big bet anyway.
What's your kind of take onthat on how that will factor in,
the fact that TVK is going to do someraising against the small size and
considering he's going to have calledso many strong hands and slow played so
(16:49):
much of his range up until thispoint like we're seeing here.
What are your thoughts on that?
Aaron (16:52):
I think that's definitely true.
That's why it's actually good when youare picking a blocker size to have strong
hands in it. A lot of players just usethe blocker size to block their opponents
from betting and they're just usingan entirely weak or capped range and
so when they get raised they're obviouslyin a bad spot but their entire range
is that weak capped stuff so the otherplayer doesn't actually get punished by
(17:15):
it. But using a hand like this,
like the nuts in that sizehope or for that size,
hoping that your opponent raises thesecond best hand makes some sense.
I also wouldn't hate a check fromTollerene here and it wasn't something I
really thought about until you broughtup that point about TVK possibly
raising,
but if we think his range is so strongthat it's two pairs and sets and the
(17:38):
bottom of it is a hand like eitherKing Jack or queen jack of hearts,
most of that range is goingto bet if we check. Now,
it's not going to pick asuper big size usually,
but he might pick a size of 5 million,
he might pick a size of 3 million andthen Tollerene can check raise. I think
that puts a lot of pressure on TVK,
but he's still going to pay off with alot of those hands that we mentioned.
Mike (18:01):
I guess the downside to checking would be TVK will probably just
quickly check back if he has ahand like King Ten or King Jack,
he's not going to go for thin valuein this high pressure scenario,
but on the other side of that coin, BenTollerene is holding a jack and a ten,
so those hands are bothless likely for TVK.
So maybe that should steer Ben Tollerenetowards some checks with this specific
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hand on the river.
Let us know what you think about thatone either on Twitter or in the comments
on YouTube.
We're interested to hear how peoplewould play this spot as Ben Tollerene.
Definitely.
Ben Tollerene thinks for quite a whilebefore betting this river and eventually
drops in a wager of 2.8 millionchips into the 9.1 million
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chip pot. So definitely more onthat small block size option that
we were talking about. Von Kriegenberghnow 12 million in the middle.
He's got to call 2.8million to get to Showdown,
but I don't think that's whathe's thinking at this point.
He's really under repped his hand upuntil now with the pre-flop call and then
calling twice with top set.
(19:06):
I think there's really no scenario whereyou could do anything but raise here,
especially against a small size. Iassume you agree with that, Aaron,
and if you do, how would youapproach the size of the raise?
How big would you make it withTVK having 18 million behind?
Aaron (19:20):
I definitely agree that we have to be raising kings.
I do think that if I'm here with a handlike king queen or a hand like King nine
suited or even a hand as strongas pocket threes, pocket sixes,
I think those hands could just call.I could see that. Again,
this is not a chip EV situationif it was a cash game,
all those hands are probablyraising at least some of the time.
(19:42):
But here because of howthe stacks are set up,
because of the ICM of the final table,you don't want to raise as many hands,
but with kings you do want to beraising, you have the second nuts.
Tollerene could easily have sixesor he could have picked small size,
small size with pocket queens andnow he's rivered three of a kind.
I think your raise sizehere should be really small.
The reason I think that is thatif you are getting looked up,
(20:06):
I guess you could coolerhim with Queens, right?
But you're kind of hopingthat he has some sort of,
I don't want to say a marginal hand,
but some sort of hand that perhaps he hasa hand like Queen ten that got here or
Queen Jack or King ten or KingJack that has his top pair,
second pair and a straight draw blocker.There's another benefit of if you make
a small raise here and Tollerenegets here with a hand like Ace Jack
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or Ace ten or even the Jack nine,
he might make a move at itand actually raise you back.
I think if you go too big here, you'rejust not getting looked up enough,
you're actually not getting valueand some of that value is baked
into your opponent bluffing you back.
So I think I would picka small raise size here.
(20:49):
The only question I have iswhat are we going to bluff with?
Mike (20:52):
Yeah,
it's really hard to imagine beingin this spot as TVK and finding a
bluff. I guess
I just had a couple hands splashedthrough my head and I was like,
those probably aren't bluffing.
I mean top pair with a straight drawblocker almost feels like one of the more
reasonable bluffs. But then what are youtrying to make fold? You have top pair,
(21:15):
it's just worth a call.
Maybe a hand like Ace queen of hearts
that called the flop with Ace Queenhigh and a backdoor flush draw
turned a flush draw now hasrivered a pair of queens.
You at least block like three queensand king queen and it's at least
something to bluff with.
(21:36):
I mean it's just really hard tothink of potential bluffs here.
Does that make sense or can you thinkof any other combos that might find a
bluff raise?
Aaron (21:42):
I mean ace jack of hearts,
Ace ten of hearts would be hands thatwould peel the small flop and turn sizes.
Now you block the nuts and again,traditionally when people blocker bet,
pick a tiny sizing on the river as apre-flop raiser as somebody who triple
barrels into you, they don'thave the nuts. So yeah,
Ace Jack or Ace ten could do that.I think even Queen ten of hearts,
(22:04):
queen jack of hearts kind ofdo the same thing. In fact,
those might be better becausethey not only block straight,
but they block King Queen or three queens.
Any other hand that he gets herewith doesn't really make sense.
I don't see how he gets here with seveneight diamonds or ten eight of clubs.
So I guess we're stuck with handslike Queen Jack suited Queen ten
suited or Ace ten, Ace jack of hearts.
Mike (22:25):
Very few hands that could potentially bluff here.
TVK goes for a bigger size than youwere saying. He goes for 8.8 million,
so about three times thebet that he was facing.
Ben Tollerene's got a call 6 million more,
but of course he's not thinking aboutjust calling here. He's got the nuts.
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He takes about a minute beforeeventually announcing all in
Tyler Von Kriegenbergh, instantlysmirks, instantly uncomfortable,
kind of can't believe his luck.He's looking at the board and he just,
in a way he looks happy, but healso really doesn't look happy.
It's one of those smiles that it's asmile you never want to have at the poker
(23:06):
table. It's not a good sign when you'rein one of these spots. Aaron, I mean,
I think this is kind of a weird question.
It's hard not to be biased by the cards,but there's no way he can fold this,
right? He's got top set, hereally underrepresented it.
He's got to call 10 millionto win a 36 million chip pot.
If he calls and wins here, he's goingto be the overwhelming chip leader.
(23:28):
He's basically going to switch placeswith Ben Tollerene. If he folds,
he's one of the short stacks, andhe's got top set. What do you think?
Aaron (23:35):
I mean, I think sometimes you just lose.
That's the extent of the analysis here.Sometimes you have the second best hand,
actual second nuts against adisguised nuts and you just lose,
and I think that if his hand'sdifferent, he might be able to fold.
I think if he has a hand like pocketthrees or pocket sixes, he could say,
(23:57):
you know what? My opponent has not onlyJack ten, but maybe Queens and kings,
right? And maybe against adifferent opponent who never bluffs.
We could talk about it witha slightly different hand,
but here not only doeshe have the second nuts,
he's up against a reallyaccomplished player who is capable of
bluffing this sort of spot,
(24:18):
even though it's unlikely and he'sgetting an amazing price. And as you said,
if he wins this pot,
he flips stacks with Ben and he takesover the chip lead and gets to bully the
table.
So I think he has to call the rest off.He's not really happy about it despite
the smile, but he puts it in.
Mike (24:33):
TVK does call and quickly sees the bad news and he's out
of this tournament insixth place for $945,000.
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With over $5 million on the line.
This might be the sickestbad beat you've ever seen.
I'm Mike Brady and I've got TournamentPro Aaron Barone here to break it down
for you. You ready tosee this one out, Aaron?
Aaron (00:12):
I'm ready.
Mike (00:13):
This is a hand from the $250,000 buy-in super high roller tournament at
the World Series of Poker this year.
It just wrapped up right before westarted recording this and it is,
as I said in the intro, very, very nasty.
Here are the stack configurations tostart the hand. Six players remain.
Ben Tollerene is the overwhelmingchip leader at this point.
(00:34):
He's got about 55 million,
which is not so much under a hundred bigblinds with the blinds at 300k, 600k.
Then Tyler Von Kriegenbergh,
the other player in this hand battlingBen Tollerene is the second place chip
stack. He's got 22 million,
so second place but still quitea bit behind Ben Tollerene,
(00:55):
he's got a little under 40 big blindsand then stacks from there really
fall off.
Two players have around 12 million for20 big blinds and then two players have 6
million for 10 big blinds each.So a couple quite short stacks,
big pay jumps on the line here.
With each pay jump being worth at leasta quarter million dollars if not more
(01:15):
so lasting in thistournament is very valuable.
You mainly want to avoidbig confrontations,
but somehow that's still whathappens here in this hand.
It kicks off with Ben Tollerene raisingit up under the gun six handed with Jack
ten offsuit comes in for a minraise. Aaron, is this too loose?
Good raise? He's the chipleader. What do you think?
Aaron (01:35):
I don't think it's too loose at all.
I mean I think his cards here aren'tnearly as relevant as they would be in a
normal situation because of just how manychips he has and how much pressure he
can put on this table. So is Jackten a little bit loose just in terms
of an overall hand strengthat this point? Yeah, maybe,
but I think he could be openingeven wider than this just again,
(01:56):
because of how often people are goingto be folding and if people are going to
fold too much, then youcan open more combos.
Mike (02:02):
We did run this one in Hold'em Resources calculator.
We plugged in the pay jumps,
we plugged in the stack sizes like we dobefore every one of these episodes and
Aaron is right on the money Jack tenoffsuit is certainly a profitable raise
for Ben Tollerene under the gun here.
He could even raise Jack nine offsuithere. It's right on the borderline,
(02:22):
so he makes a good raisewith that Jack ten.
Then it starts to get really interesting.
It gets to Tyler Von Kriegenbergh whothe commentators we're calling TVK. I'm
going to try to do that. I like thatacronym. He has Kings on the button,
pocket Kings again, he'saround 40 big blinds,
more like 37 big blinds deepagainst Ben Tollerene and again,
we have pretty brutal ICM pressure on himright now where he really doesn't want
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to bust out since there'sfour stacks shorter than him,
two of which are veryshort, around 10 big blinds.
So with these kings on the button, Aaron,
are you always three betting?Are you ever just calling?
How are you approaching the spot?
Aaron (03:01):
Given the stack setup I think the right play is
actually to flat almost your entirerange and I know it feels really
uncomfortable.
We're so used to just taking a hand likekings and three betting it for value.
People don't trap with it as much asthey do Aces because they're afraid of an
ace on the flop and they have kings,
but he doesn't want to go broke hereand I actually think the best way to do
(03:24):
that is to flat given how the sizeof the pot will be. Even if your
opponent bets half or two thirds,
he still might not go broke by theriver if he is beat at some point in the
hand. Obviously if the board runsout terribly for him he can fold.
It's an extremely strong hand of coursepre-flop and we know the chip leader is
opening wide.
There's some value therethat your opponent has not only a worse hand but a hand
(03:46):
that might just barrel into youtrying to move you off something.
So I like flatting and the last partabout it that I want to mention is that
when TVK flats here, it gives theblinds a chance to squeeze jam.
Now if Huni in the small blindhas a hand like pocket nines,
he might say, I've got 20 bigs,chip leader's opening wide,
(04:06):
other player flats behind,I'm going to jam nines.
And if TVK decides to three bet here,
those nines really shrink up and thesame goes for Hook who has 10 big blinds
who also might squeeze jam. So I thinkthis play of flatting Kings is going to
lead to the most profit both justplaying the hand in position against your
opponent and the potentialfor players to squeeze behind.
Mike (04:28):
Really has a dream scenario to flat with the kings here and then Huni in
the small blind shoves all inand then you end up stacking him.
And then to your point Aaron,
we can once again confirm that whatyou're saying is correct from our HRC
calculation.
Calling is the most profitable linewith Pocket Kings here if you want the
specific numbers.
Calling makes $97,600 in thisspot given the pay jumps and
(04:53):
everything and then three bettingto a non all in size makes about
$1,500 less than that. Sonot a huge, huge difference,
but a non-negligible difference forthe calling being the more profitable
route.
So that is the one that TVK decidesto go with. He just flicks in the
call. The blinds have junky hands,
(05:13):
they get out of the way and we're goingto go to the flop with about 4 million
in the middle,
21 million behind with thefirst and second chip stacks
colliding and we get a Kingsix three rainbow flop.
Once again,
the hands are Jack ten for Ben Tollereneunder the gun and pocket kings for Von
Kriegenbergh and that's going tobe top set for TVK and an absolute
(05:37):
air ball for Ben Tollerene. He's justgot some backdoor straight draws.
The action is on Ben, how are youplaying this one in his shoes, Aaron,
are you firing acontinuation bet in there?
Aaron (05:46):
So he does have an air ball as you mentioned, but a king high,
somewhat disconnected dry boards arereally great boards to be continuation
betting. We know that TVK haskings, he's not going anywhere,
but if he's sitting there with a handlike sevens or he flatted ace queen suited
pre or ace five suited even a handlike pocket nines don't feel that
(06:07):
great and sure he's probably goingto call one bet, but as I said,
other hands like Ace Queen could fold,
Queen Jack could fold Queen ten suitedcould fold and Tollerene has Jack High,
which in this exact spot mightnot be the bottom of his range,
but it's certainly getting there. I thinkthe board texture is good for him to
bet,
I am going to be firing a continuationbet here and again on drier boards you
(06:28):
probably want to pick a smaller size,
so something around a quarterpot should get it done.
Mike (06:32):
Ben Tollerene does reach for chips and drops a 900K bet into the
pot. So around a quarter of the pot,
25% and it's on TVK getting agreat price. He's got top set.
He's obviously not going anywhere.
Are you doing anything butjust calling here Aaron?
Aaron (06:50):
No, I can't.
I mean folding would obviously bethe worst thing we've ever seen.
Raising is actually not that far behind.
You expect your opponentto have a wide range.
You have the nuts on a very dry boardand we have an idea of how this is going
to go. So some people say,
well I would raise and tryto take this pot down. Cool.
You really get a lot of value by lettingyour opponent bluff and at this point
(07:13):
we can see by the numbers he'sgot a 97% chance to win the hand,
not a hundred still 97 is pretty good.
Even if you think about the bluffsTollerene could have here that have equity
against you, you're most afraid ofwhat? Like five four of diamonds.
So you're still like 80 ish percent.So definitely just want to be calling,
giving your opponent the chance tobluff some turns and potentially rivers.
Mike (07:36):
Yeah, he's got the deck absolutely crushed here, right?
I think most people would know that thisis a pretty clear spot to slow play.
I think the people who are going to havethat comment about I wouldn't get this
bad beat, I would've playedthe kings differently.
They're probably going to make thatcomment about preflop. So get in the
comments below if you do think thisis a clear three bet preflop and you
would've avoided this whole messthat TVK is about to find himself in.
(07:59):
Turn is the nine of hearts.
So the board is king three sixrainbow turn nine of hearts.
That's the second heart. Sothere is a flush draw now.
Ben Tollerene picks up thatstraight draw with his Jack ten.
There's a little under 6 millionin the pot, 20 million behind.
Are you continuing the aggressionin Ben Tollerene's shoes here?
Aaron (08:19):
I think I am.
One thing that happens when you picka really small size on the flop,
even on a dry board like King six threeis your opponents going to continue with
a wider range than ifyou picked a bigger size.
So if Tollerene had picked a size of twothirds on the flop for some reason and
got called, I'd be morelikely to shut down like okay,
he called a big bet on theflop, it was pretty dry,
(08:41):
but when he picks a quarter pot sizing,
there are hands that TVK canfloat with that he thinks might be
the best hand,
they're going to call for that size.He could have a hand like Ace Queen of
clubs like well I have Ace high backdoorflush draw, I'm going to call one.
I'd mentioned pocket sevensor Pocket eights earlier.
Even a hand like seven six suited,
they're not going to fold flop butat this point given the ICM pressure,
(09:03):
you could see all those hands foldingto a turn barrel and Jack High is behind
all of those hands. So yeah,
I like the idea of betting again and thistime I would probably size up a little
bit and see if that got through.
Mike (09:15):
Ben Tollerene does reach for chips,
fires out another bet onthe turn for 1.7 million,
so about one third pot now is thatabout the size you were thinking Aaron,
or would you juice itup even more than that?
Aaron (09:27):
I would've gone bigger in this spot.
I do think when he picks this size thatthe hand I mentioned like Ace Queen
might fold,
but I think the size is a little toosmall and I think at final tables you are
supposed to pick slightly smaller sizingthan just Chip EV because it's the ICM,
but I think a bigger size is goingto make more of his range fold
(09:49):
and even when you'rebetting here for value
with a hand like kingqueen or pocket sixes,
I think you're probably pickinga bigger size. I don't hate it,
but I think typically I wouldpick a bigger size here around
60% and I think that's going to do abetter job of applying pressure to TVK's
(10:12):
range.
Mike (10:12):
That even kind of brings stacks into play on the river, right?
Because if he were to bet two thirdson the turn going into the river,
there'd be about 14 million in thereand Von Kriegenbergh would have about 16
million behind.
So Tollerene could evenshove or nearly shove on the
river if he were to bet bigger on thisturn, he's clearly not playing that game,
he's not trying to getStacks in here necessarily.
(10:33):
He's going with this one third pot beton the turn and that means there's going
to be about 9 million in the middle ifhe gets called and TVK will still have
about 19 million behind.
So stacks not really in play there. Hecan't really shove for two X pot in this
scenario. So Ben Tollerene clearlytaking kind of a different approach.
Aaron (10:51):
I think my issue with picking the smaller size here is
by not putting the pressure or at leastthe thought in TVK's mind that you could
be playing for Stacks here,
you don't get as much fold equity nownumber one and number two that sort of
is the whole basis of ICM ofputting pressure on the smaller
stacks is thinking or making them thinkat least look you might have to play for
(11:14):
your whole stack here andrisk losing out on a payjump.
So if TVK is flatting Kings pre,
we could imagine he's alsoflatting hands like Jacks, tens,
queens pre and if Tollerenefires a small bet here,
I think those hands never fold, right?You're getting an amazing price,
you still have position and you don'thave to worry about playing for stacks on
the river and riskingbusting out in sixth,
(11:36):
but if Tollerene picks the big size here,
I think all those second pair type handsare going to be put in a really tough
spot and the right play is going to beto fold because not only are you worried
about calling the betright now you're thinking,
well I might have to face a pot sizedshove on the end and what am I going to do
unless if I hit my two outer.
Mike (11:56):
I think that's a great point.
If TVK has a hand like tenshere and he faces a bigger bet,
he might just get out of the way.It's really not a great spot,
but against this small one third potbet, I think he probably just peels.
I mean his stack isn't reallyin play. Like you said,
he's still going to be second in chipsby a decent margin if he calls the turn
and has to fold the riverand loses the pot. So yeah,
(12:18):
I think Tollerene certainly could generatea lot more folds on the turn with the
bigger size as you would expect.
But in any case he does go for the smallersize and now there is a flush draw on
board like we discussed.
There's some straight draws nowor some additional straight draws.
So now with your top set as TVK,
is this a point where you can considerstarting to fast play and put in a
(12:42):
raise or is this clearly still justfalling squarely into the calling range?
Aaron (12:47):
Well the flush draw isn't as bad as it looks. Yes,
a heart could come and that's not greatfor you but you do have a heart in your
hand so that blocks one ofthe hearts from falling.
The other heart that couldcome is a six of hearts,
which would be great for you unlessthey have pocket sixes because the board
would pair and you'd have a full house.
So I don't think the flush draw isnecessarily a reason to be raising here.
(13:10):
You still have the nuts,
you still are in position andI would still opt for a call.
I think there are other handsyou could consider raising here,
but you also want to thinkabout if you're in TVK's spot,
what bluffs are you raising?
Are you going to be raising herewith the jack ten of hearts?
I mean you're in position versus a smallbet versus a chip leader you really
(13:32):
don't want to get jammed on or playedback at. I think this entire hand starts
with TVK playing a bit carefullywith the kings and I think
that's totally reasonable, but ifyou're going to take that line,
I don't think you're going to have manybluffs on the turn that raise anyway.
So I think again,
you're in this weird spot whereyour entire range should probably,
I mean your continuing rangeshould probably just flat.
Mike (13:55):
That makes sense.
He is incentivized to keep that potsmaller even with hands like this
potentially.
So he does call with the topset now there's 9 million in the pot going into the
river and it's disastrous.
Offsuit queen couldn't even be the queenof hearts so the flush gets in too,
just the offsuit queen making thefinal board King six three turn
(14:16):
nine river Queen Ben Tollerene issitting there with the nut straight
with his jack ten offsuit.
TVK has 18 million in hisstack and there's 9 million in the middle. So like we
talked about on the turn, shoving notreally in play for Ben Tollerene here,
it would be far too big of a sizein an ICM scenario, at least.
9 million in the middle. Aaron,
(14:37):
how are you sizing this one withTVK having 18 million behind?
Aaron (14:40):
So I wouldn't have picked this small size on the turn very often,
but I think when yougo small size on turn,
picking a small size on river kind ofmakes sense. I think a lot of players,
what they'll do is they'll pick one sizewhen they have a strong hand and one
size when they don't and if you fall intothat trap it's going to be a bad time.
Other players are goingto figure that out.
(15:01):
So I think picking a small sizehere of maybe 2.8 to 3.5 makes
sense.
I also think picking a bigger size of6.5 to 7 makes sense if you think about
what TVKs range looks like.If I was in Tollerene's spot,
sure I would've thoughtkings are possible,
but I would've thought hands morelike king queen, pocket nines,
(15:23):
maybe even King Jack or Kingten if those hands get here,
all those hands are either toppair with a straight blocker,
which is a good bluff catcher or twopair plus and those hands aren't folding
for a pretty big size. So I could seeTollerene here picking a really big size,
it's totally fine, but basedat how he's played the hand,
I wouldn't be surprised ifhe picked a smaller size.
Mike (15:45):
Yeah,
I guess the idea would be if you go forthe big size you're just trying to get
them to make that kind of cryingcall with top pair and a straight
blocker, maybe a weaker twopair or something like that.
I mean a set is certainlycalling any bet size,
but that kind of brings me to aquestion that I have for you when we're
(16:06):
comparing the two kind ofsizing options for Ben here,
he either can go for a small block sizeor he can go bigger. If he goes for
the block size TVK is goingto be more likely to raise
with second best hands likea hand like pocket nines,
which is a turned set that might justcall against a big bet on the river but
(16:26):
against a block bet if BenTollerene goes small pocket nines
probably feels like it's worth a raise.
Maybe it feels like it's worth theraise against the big bet anyway.
What's your kind of take onthat on how that will factor in,
the fact that TVK is going to do someraising against the small size and
considering he's going to have calledso many strong hands and slow played so
(16:49):
much of his range up until thispoint like we're seeing here.
What are your thoughts on that?
Aaron (16:52):
I think that's definitely true.
That's why it's actually good when youare picking a blocker size to have strong
hands in it. A lot of players just usethe blocker size to block their opponents
from betting and they're just usingan entirely weak or capped range and
so when they get raised they're obviouslyin a bad spot but their entire range
is that weak capped stuff so the otherplayer doesn't actually get punished by
(17:15):
it. But using a hand like this,
like the nuts in that sizehope or for that size,
hoping that your opponent raises thesecond best hand makes some sense.
I also wouldn't hate a check fromTollerene here and it wasn't something I
really thought about until you broughtup that point about TVK possibly
raising,
but if we think his range is so strongthat it's two pairs and sets and the
(17:38):
bottom of it is a hand like eitherKing Jack or queen jack of hearts,
most of that range is goingto bet if we check. Now,
it's not going to pick asuper big size usually,
but he might pick a size of 5 million,
he might pick a size of 3 million andthen Tollerene can check raise. I think
that puts a lot of pressure on TVK,
but he's still going to pay off with alot of those hands that we mentioned.
Mike (18:01):
I guess the downside to checking would be TVK will probably just
quickly check back if he has ahand like King Ten or King Jack,
he's not going to go for thin valuein this high pressure scenario,
but on the other side of that coin, BenTollerene is holding a jack and a ten,
so those hands are bothless likely for TVK.
So maybe that should steer Ben Tollerenetowards some checks with this specific
(18:24):
hand on the river.
Let us know what you think about thatone either on Twitter or in the comments
on YouTube.
We're interested to hear how peoplewould play this spot as Ben Tollerene.
Definitely.
Ben Tollerene thinks for quite a whilebefore betting this river and eventually
drops in a wager of 2.8 millionchips into the 9.1 million
(18:45):
chip pot. So definitely more onthat small block size option that
we were talking about. Von Kriegenberghnow 12 million in the middle.
He's got to call 2.8million to get to Showdown,
but I don't think that's whathe's thinking at this point.
He's really under repped his hand upuntil now with the pre-flop call and then
calling twice with top set.
(19:06):
I think there's really no scenario whereyou could do anything but raise here,
especially against a small size. Iassume you agree with that, Aaron,
and if you do, how would youapproach the size of the raise?
How big would you make it withTVK having 18 million behind?
Aaron (19:20):
I definitely agree that we have to be raising kings.
I do think that if I'm here with a handlike king queen or a hand like King nine
suited or even a hand as strongas pocket threes, pocket sixes,
I think those hands could just call.I could see that. Again,
this is not a chip EV situationif it was a cash game,
all those hands are probablyraising at least some of the time.
(19:42):
But here because of howthe stacks are set up,
because of the ICM of the final table,you don't want to raise as many hands,
but with kings you do want to beraising, you have the second nuts.
Tollerene could easily have sixesor he could have picked small size,
small size with pocket queens andnow he's rivered three of a kind.
I think your raise sizehere should be really small.
The reason I think that is thatif you are getting looked up,
(20:06):
I guess you could coolerhim with Queens, right?
But you're kind of hopingthat he has some sort of,
I don't want to say a marginal hand,
but some sort of hand that perhaps he hasa hand like Queen ten that got here or
Queen Jack or King ten or KingJack that has his top pair,
second pair and a straight draw blocker.There's another benefit of if you make
a small raise here and Tollerenegets here with a hand like Ace Jack
(20:28):
or Ace ten or even the Jack nine,
he might make a move at itand actually raise you back.
I think if you go too big here, you'rejust not getting looked up enough,
you're actually not getting valueand some of that value is baked
into your opponent bluffing you back.
So I think I would picka small raise size here.
(20:49):
The only question I have iswhat are we going to bluff with?
Mike (20:52):
Yeah,
it's really hard to imagine beingin this spot as TVK and finding a
bluff. I guess
I just had a couple hands splashedthrough my head and I was like,
those probably aren't bluffing.
I mean top pair with a straight drawblocker almost feels like one of the more
reasonable bluffs. But then what are youtrying to make fold? You have top pair,
(21:15):
it's just worth a call.
Maybe a hand like Ace queen of hearts
that called the flop with Ace Queenhigh and a backdoor flush draw
turned a flush draw now hasrivered a pair of queens.
You at least block like three queensand king queen and it's at least
something to bluff with.
(21:36):
I mean it's just really hard tothink of potential bluffs here.
Does that make sense or can you thinkof any other combos that might find a
bluff raise?
Aaron (21:42):
I mean ace jack of hearts,
Ace ten of hearts would be hands thatwould peel the small flop and turn sizes.
Now you block the nuts and again,traditionally when people blocker bet,
pick a tiny sizing on the river as apre-flop raiser as somebody who triple
barrels into you, they don'thave the nuts. So yeah,
Ace Jack or Ace ten could do that.I think even Queen ten of hearts,
(22:04):
queen jack of hearts kind ofdo the same thing. In fact,
those might be better becausethey not only block straight,
but they block King Queen or three queens.
Any other hand that he gets herewith doesn't really make sense.
I don't see how he gets here with seveneight diamonds or ten eight of clubs.
So I guess we're stuck with handslike Queen Jack suited Queen ten
suited or Ace ten, Ace jack of hearts.
Mike (22:25):
Very few hands that could potentially bluff here.
TVK goes for a bigger size than youwere saying. He goes for 8.8 million,
so about three times thebet that he was facing.
Ben Tollerene's got a call 6 million more,
but of course he's not thinking aboutjust calling here. He's got the nuts.
(22:45):
He takes about a minute beforeeventually announcing all in
Tyler Von Kriegenbergh, instantlysmirks, instantly uncomfortable,
kind of can't believe his luck.He's looking at the board and he just,
in a way he looks happy, but healso really doesn't look happy.
It's one of those smiles that it's asmile you never want to have at the poker
(23:06):
table. It's not a good sign when you'rein one of these spots. Aaron, I mean,
I think this is kind of a weird question.
It's hard not to be biased by the cards,but there's no way he can fold this,
right? He's got top set, hereally underrepresented it.
He's got to call 10 millionto win a 36 million chip pot.
If he calls and wins here, he's goingto be the overwhelming chip leader.
(23:28):
He's basically going to switch placeswith Ben Tollerene. If he folds,
he's one of the short stacks, andhe's got top set. What do you think?
Aaron (23:35):
I mean, I think sometimes you just lose.
That's the extent of the analysis here.Sometimes you have the second best hand,
actual second nuts against adisguised nuts and you just lose,
and I think that if his hand'sdifferent, he might be able to fold.
I think if he has a hand like pocketthrees or pocket sixes, he could say,
(23:57):
you know what? My opponent has not onlyJack ten, but maybe Queens and kings,
right? And maybe against adifferent opponent who never bluffs.
We could talk about it witha slightly different hand,
but here not only doeshe have the second nuts,
he's up against a reallyaccomplished player who is capable of
bluffing this sort of spot,
(24:18):
even though it's unlikely and he'sgetting an amazing price. And as you said,
if he wins this pot,
he flips stacks with Ben and he takesover the chip lead and gets to bully the
table.
So I think he has to call the rest off.He's not really happy about it despite
the smile, but he puts it in.
Mike (24:33):
TVK does call and quickly sees the bad news and he's out
of this tournament insixth place for $945,000.
Ben Tollerene becomes the overwhelmingchip leader in a commanding spot to take
home that 5.4 million. You can buya lot of side saddles with that.
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(24:56):
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Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.