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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It is Verdict with center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
I hope you had a fabulous Fourth of July with
your family, and we've got a lot to talk about.
I'm gonna guess it's going to be a lot about
Biden because that's what everybody else in the country was
chatting about over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, that's certainly true.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Chaos ensues in the Democrat Party, paddic is continuing to grow.
But before we talk about that, I will say you
and I are both sitting here. It is Sunday night,
We're both in Houston, Texas, and a hurricane is preparing
to make landfall in the Great State of Texas. It
is expected down south of here, somewhere around Victoria. It's
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expected to make landfall late tonight, somewhere one or two
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So just before this.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Podcast goes live to the world, and the projections are
right now that it may accelerate to a category one
or category two hurricane and then move north up to
you and me in Houston. We're anticipating anywhere from five
inches to as much as fifteen inches of depending on
where you where you are, So so let me say,
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first of all, to everyone in Texas, stay safe.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You and I were talking right before we started filming this.
You were saying, it's your first hurricane in Houston. I'm
a lifelong Houstonian and hurricanes are part of life here.
But the best advice is stay safe. Don't risk anything.
If you see water and don't know how deep it is,
don't drive into it. Where people are most frequently in
harm's way is they drive into what they think is
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shallow water and it ends up being deeper and more dangerous.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And so keep your family safe.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Our prayers are going to be with everyone along the
Gulf coast tonight, and make make sure you don't take
any unnecessary risks and you listen to first responders and
stay at a harm's way.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I also want to ask you about this week you
were hanging out with fam. How many people around fourth
of July asked you about Joe Biden? Everyone look look
fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I had a great, great several days with with my
youngest daughter Catherine. The two of us together hung out.
Now Heidi and Caroline went on a mission trip to Africa,
which was a fantastic experience.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Shake.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Caroline went with Heidi and with Heidie's mom and and
and they were in Zambia. Had an incredible time there.
But but you know, I got to say it over
the fourth of July, you know, we were we were
barbecuing burgers. Unlike Chuck Schumer, we actually know to turn
the heat on and to cook the burger before you
put the cheese on. So so so that's that's something
apparently Democrats don't understand how actually agrilla burger. But just
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about every every durn conversation standing around on the fourth
of July was what's happening with Biden?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Is he going what's going to happen? And and and
and I.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Got to say, we have seen the chaos spreading. Uh,
we've seen the White House damage control really not going
well at all. And and also on today's podcast, I'm
going to modify my prediction at least some what I
now think there's a significant chance we may get an
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outcome different than what I predict.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'm gonna explain all that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh, we're changing predictions. I like this.
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I'm gonna go back to what you said a moment ago, Senator.
You said, you're you're going to quote slightly change your
prediction for everyone that doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You predicted nine almost ten months.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Ago now that if Joe Biden was replaced, it would
be at the convention and they would parachute in Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So how are we changing it. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well, that was my prediction, as you said, nine ten
months ago, and at the time my prediction then, as
I said, there's a real possibility. I didn't believe nine
ten months ago that it was greater than fifty percent,
but I thought there was a real, significant possibility. There
were Democrats who were flighting floating trial balloons even back then.
The media was floating trial balloons even back then. And
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as I laid out my reasoning, I thought Michelle Obama
was the natural choice for them, and where if I
were a Democrat, that's where I would push. Now, over
the last couple of months, I adjusted those odds to
fifty to fifty or greater that they would pull the
cord on Joe Biden. As things started getting worse and
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worse and worse, I thought the odds were getting higher
and higher. And then after the disastrous debate, you and
I both watched the debate. We watched it real time,
and then we sat down and recorded the podcast immediately
after the podcast and immediately after the debate. Rather and
my assessment that night is I now think the chances
are eighty percent that the Democrats pull the cord on
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Joe Biden. And what I said then is and parachute
Michelle Obama in Again, if I were a Democrat, I'd
be all in on that, and In fact, if that happened,
it would be incredibly dangerous. We've seen polling that puts
Michelle Obama in a really strong position, and as someone
who wants Trump to win in November, I don't want
to see that happen. What is interesting, though, the Democrats
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don't seem to be heading there with the speed that
you would anticipate. And so here's how I'm going to
alter my addiction. I still think it is eighty percent
that they pull the cord on Joe Biden, but I'm
now going to modify it and say among that eighty percent,
I think it is fifty to fifty whether they go
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with Michelle Obama or Kamala Harris. And I didn't think
they'd go with Kamala because Kamala is a much weaker candidate.
But it's interesting we have seen Democrats positioning, fighting, pushing
for Kamala to be the choice. And so, as I'm
handicapping it right now, in terms of who's going to
be the Democrat nominee come November, I put the odds
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forty percent Michelle Obama, forty percent Kamala Harris, and twenty
percent Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right, let's go over. Why you think that Kamala
has jumped up for me personally? I do think they're
kind of forced in a position where she's the front runner.
Just from the aspect of the money. The money that's
raised by the Biden heres campaign can only stay with
Biden slash Harris. It can't go to somebody else quickly
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and the campaign apparatus. Is that why you're saying she
has a much higher chance now than you said before.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
No, No, the money. At the end of the day,
I'll sort itself out. The Democrats are not going to
be lacking for money in November. They've got gazillionaires who
will devote whatever money is necessary to try to elect
a Democrat that's not going to constrain their choice. Look,
Michelle Obama, what I laid out ten months ago was
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that Kamala was obviously a deeply flawed candidate. But if
you wanted to push her aside, the Democrats could not
push her aside and replace her with a white guy
because their party, they're such bean counters. Their party would implode.
And so the Gavin Newsom noticed. I put the odds
of Gavin Newsom at zero percent. I don't think because
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he's a white guy, and he can't.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I just wanted to hear you say it because it's
it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, No, it's the Democrat Party. If they pushed an
African American woman aside for a white guy, particularly a
rich white California surfer dude, that their party would would
spontaneously combust. So they're faced in a quandary where the
only human being on planet Earth who can push Kamala
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aside as Michelle Obama, because she has the same demographic
characteristics as Kamala, and she she is the Democrat equivalent
of royalty.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
She she she now has has Camelot.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
The Kennedys have gone, and the Obamas have replaced replaced them,
and and and so she can parachute in as standing
above the fray. What is interesting, though, is that nobody
on the Democrat side has made any move towards that
in the day since the debate, which which.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I'm surprised of.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Instead, what you've seen is moultiple Democrats beginning to push Kamala,
yeah hard, push her hard, and say, look, if Joe
steps down, it's got to be Kamala.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's no one else, It's Kamala. It' Kamala, it's Kaba.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
So for me, it's not the money, it's you get
invested in something, you start leaning in, the stakeholders start
getting behind it, that the press voices start getting behind,
the members of Congress and the senators start getting behind it.
And once you're you can't be a little bit pregnant.
And I think as people get further and further down
that road, it becomes harder to check to change the
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course you're on. And you're already seeing lots of stories
from the Democratic side. No, no, no, no, Kamala is
a much stronger candidate than you think. All of you
people who who think she's a weak candidate, you're all wrong,
and she's going to be Madam President. We saw, you know,
Jim Clyburn go on TV and say, look, I support
Biden Harris, and that means I support Joe Biden even
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if Kamala Harris is not on the ticket. But he
goes on to say, and that means I support Kamala
Harris even if Joe Biden's not on the ticket. Now
that's a big deal because without Clideburn, Biden doesn't get
the nomination. In twenty twenty, he played a pivotal role
in stampeding Democrats away from Bernie Sanders to Joe Biden.
And I think that was a serious signal that the
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powers that be, they're freaking out, but more of them
are getting behind Kamala than I thought would happened.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Let's talk about this Stepanophoulis interview, and you and I
mentioned that it was an important interview. Obviously at the
end of last week. It was an interview that was
actually heavily watched. Some of the ratings show that a
lot of Americans watched it. It was obviously a topic
of conversation for July fourth with people with their family,
with their friends, and if you're a Democrat, I think
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it's actually this interview universe right now because you're trying
to figure out what the heck are we going to.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Do this interview.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
As I watched it, I don't think it helped the
president at all. There was one moment in there that
was actually shocking to me. And Stepanopolis asked the president
did you watch the debate afterwards? And he paused and
he said, no, I don't think I did. You would
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know if you watched the debate that was days earlier,
you wouldn't say no, I don't think I did. I
don't think this interview helped the president at all.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Well, look, it is a weird answer. I don't think
I watched it. And I will say this, I've done.
I don't know a ton of political debates. I don't
think I've ever watched one of the debates.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I did.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I've watched little snippets. I've watched little excerpts from him.
You know, Frank Luntz does his dial group things, and
I've had had Frank for several debates. Has like gone through,
say a half dozen moments of the debate and played
you know, a minute or no seconds or two minutes
of it and showed me the dial groups of what
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people liked and what people didn't. So I've done that analysis.
But I don't believe I've ever sat down and watched
a debate and its entirety after it happened. But that
being said, if you ask a person three days later
did you watch the debate to say I don't know
is kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and it's a disaster of a debate, so it
was even more of a relevant question. You've never had
a disaster debate like Joe Biden did either.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
By the way, I will tell you that there was
one I did, and you don't know about this, but
long ago, all right, So when I was first running
for separate stories.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
By the way, for everybody that's listening, this is when
it gets good, So take notes.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
All right.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
So I'm first running for Senate. It's a twenty twelve election.
It was twenty eleven, and nobody's ever heard of me.
I'm a candidate. I'm at two percent in the polls.
Never been you know, never been elected to nothing. Last
thing I was elected to was student council. And so
I'm out there. I'm working. I'm working. And we had
we had an event in San Antonio, a fundraiser, and
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it was a fundraiser at the home of a wonderful woman,
a dear friend in San Antonio. Had people come and
we stayed at the dinner till till about midnight, and
then we drove from San Antonio back to Houston. And
so I got to my house at four in the morning,
and I slept from four in the morning till about
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six in the morning, and I had a breakfast at
like seven or seven thirty. So I got maybe two
hours sleep. That night, we had a debate for the
Senate race. And it was an interesting debate because at
the time, David Dewhurst, who was Lieutenant governor and was
the leading candidate who was supposed to walk into a coronation,
he didn't participate at all, and so it was it
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was several of us that were considered by the media
to be the kind of second tier, but it was
the only Senate debate. You may not know this either,
that Dan Patrick, who's now the Lieutenant governor of Texas.
Dan participated in. He didn't actually run for Senate, but
he kind of thought about it. He thought about it
enough to participate in the debate and that debate that night,
I'd had between an hour and two hours sleep, and
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as the debate was going on, to be absolutely honest, Bet,
I was just falling asleep. I was literally like nodding
over there and my answers, I think some of my
answers were shorter than Biden. You know, like at some point,
I don't know, they asked me something like, you know,
would you abolish so security? I don't remember, something like that,
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and I gave like a three word answer, no. I
would not, and that they seem clever. But it's really
bad debate strategy. And I and and you know my
political team really well, I am not a yeller. I
don't yell at my team. You could ask JJ. I
yelled at him and I said, look, I think I'm
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relatively decent at this stuff, but you can't send me
into a debate with an hour or two hour sleep.
I mean, that's just not And I sucked that night.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It was.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It was a miserable debate. Thankfully, there were like twelve
people on planet Earth that watched it and so as
I was dozing off. It did not impact the race
one way or the other, but it sure did impact me.
I was never going to let that happen again.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's hey, it only takes once, right and then you
learn your lesson on that one for sure. If you
are Kamala Harris now, and I want to know, do
you think she'll be held accountable for her lives? And
hold on, I want to play it for you first.
I want to play it for you. Okay, this is
Kamala Harris over the years. Okay, this isn't just like
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in the last week covering for the cognitive ConA Joe Biden,
will she have to answer for this.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm going to play it, and I want your reaction.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
We have a very bold and vibrant president in Joe Biden, but.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
A majority of Americans, according a majority of Democrats according
to our new poll, say they don't want President Biden
to run again.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
What do you say to that, I mean, George, I
think that age is more than a chronological fact. To
be very frank with you, it's about thinking about whether
we have in our leader, which we do in Joe Biden,
somebody who was bold, I mean, think about it. And
in Joe Biden, we have a president who is probably
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one of the boldest and strongest American presidents we have
had in his response to the needs of the American people.
But he is an extraordinary leader. And I wish that
people could see what I see, because there's only one
person who says, behind that resolute desk, you're fifty eight.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Now. If you win the second term, as you and
the President are running to do, he would be eighty
six at the end of it. The Wall Street Journal
had a poll showing two thirds of Democrats say Joe
Biden is too old to run again. Are you prepared
to be commandering?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Yes, I am if necessary. But Joe Biden is gonna
be fine. And let me tell you something. I work
with Joe Biden every day. The work that under Joe
Biden's leadership, our administration has accomplished is transformative.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
To very prominent Washington Post articles today talking about President
Biden's age, and that's a been concerned among the young
voters and in growing poll numbers, that's a be concerned.
Are are people right to be concerned about his age.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
At this point?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
When I talk to these young voters, what they want
is a leader who is in touch with the problems
of today and has a vision for what we can
do today and in the future to deal with it.
President Biden is the first president to take on in
any substantial way the issue of the climate crisis.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'm not going I mean you you listen to this
and I've got another four minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
But that's just some of the highlights.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She whied to the American people and has been definitely
involved in this cover up she for years. It says
Biden is quote very bold and vibrant. Then she says
he's tireless in terms of working and says he's gonna
be fine. He is in good shape, he's in good health.
She lied to the American people. So if she gets
the nomination, how big is this going to come back?
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I think of of a of a conversation with Donald
Trump and whoever he picks when they go up against her.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Look, I think in terms of the media, absolutely not
at all. They they do not care. She repeated the line,
so did every other Democrats, so did every other White
House staff, or so did all of the all of
the corporate media. You know, it reminds me from from
from the line from the movie The Manchurian Candidate. You
remember that, that that movie with Frank Sinatra in it,
and and and they're all brainwashed to support this candidate,
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and they all say the identical line. They all say,
Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human
being I've ever known in my life. And they all
repeat that because that's what they were brainwashed to say. Look,
Kamala talking about Joe Biden is the same things. He's
the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever
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known in my life. He's most smart, he's brilliant. He
can do differential equations in his head. Wow, and they're
just lying. They know they're lying. They knew they were lying.
But you know what, the press knew they were lying.
The Democrats knew they were lying. They didn't care that
they were lying. And the frustrating thing is they don't
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care now. They'd be perfectly fine to prop Joe Biden
up and we can it bernies him for the next
four years if it keeps him in power. The only
reason they care is because they're looking at poll numbers saying,
oh crap, people don't want to elect someone president who's
noncompassment is if they thought they could get away with
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chief being unable to tie his own shoes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, great point.
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Speaker 1 (22:27):
All right, let me ask you another question.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
After the George Stephanopolis interview took place, Biden refused to
commit to an independent medical evaluation. If he was trying
to get everyone to calm down, wouldn't your campaign say
yes to doing this unless they're hiding something. Would you
be willing to undergo an independent medical evaluation that included
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neurological and cognitive cognitive tests.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And release the results to the American people.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
Look, I have a cognitive test every single day. Every day,
I have that test everything I do. You know, not
only am I campaigning, but I'm running the world.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
And that sound how it sounds like.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
Iprobaly, But we are the central nation in the world,
and I don't know that was right. And every single day,
for example, today, before I come out here, I'm on
the phone with the Prime minister. You or I shouldn't
get into detail.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But he can't remember which prime minister he's on the
phone with. It says I got this under control, guys,
I don't need a cognitive test from a doctor.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I do it every day well and look to be fair,
he may well have had that test. I mean, we
also had the stories break this past week. That's the
New York Post. President Biden's physician met with Parkinson's disease
specialist in the White House. A top Washington neurologist had
a meeting with President Biden's personal doctor at the White
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House earlier this year. Visitors logs reviewed by the Post
show doctor Kevin Canard, a Parkinson's disease expert at Walter
Reed Medical Center, met with doctor Kevin O'Connor and two
others at the White House Residence clinic on January seventeenth,
according to records, which emerge as questions continue to swirl
about the eighty one year old president's mental health in
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the wake of his debate debacle last week with former
President Trump. Now that there was yet another headline from
the Washington Examiner which is even more stunning, which is quote,
top Parkinson's disease specialist visited White House ten times since
twenty twenty two, according.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
To the visitors' logs. And I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Read from that story, President, but Joe Biden's physician met
with a top Washington, DC neurologists who specialized in Parkin's
disease earlier this year. Cannard's name shows up in the
visitors logs ten times since November fifteenth, twenty twenty and
Ron Jackson, who Ronnie Jackson, who now the congressman from Texas,
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a good friend who used to be the White House physician,
said quote, it is highly likely they were talking about Biden.
He should only be regularly treating the President and the
first family. That is the White House physician ten times.
It's a very simple question. Why do you have a
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top Parkinson's disease specialist coming to the White House ten
times since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, ten times. So if that is the case, And
I love how now all of a sudden, the media
is doing their job right, Like they're doing their job
and they're and they're actually digging and they're asking questions.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But it's all they didn't report on that a month ago.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, No, they're doing it now, but it's not for
the right reasons. And that's why I say, don't give
them any credit. It's because they've gotten their marching orders
from Democratic donors. And the Democratic Party that your job
now is to get rid of Joe Biden. I mean
the Stepanopolis interview. I wanted to give him credit, but
I know what's happening. I'm not an idiot. This is
not the normal George Stepanopolis.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
His job.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
They sent him there to take down Biden, to be
the hit man to end his presidency. And the way
he treated him was the way he would treat Donald
Trump in an interview. It was shocking to watch, but
you have to understand they're doing it because they think
they're going to lose their power, because they think they're
going to lose with Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, they're panicking. We're seeing Democrats panic, We're seeing the
media panic. They want to push Joe out. It's why
I put the odds at eighty percent. And look over
the last week, the drip, drip, drip keeps coming. So
The New York Times in this past week reported quote
a senior White House official, though unnamed, as telling the
New York Times Biden should stand aside. That's a senior
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White House official in the Biden white House, mind you.
The Washington Post on July fifth, Senator Mark Warner a
Democrat works to gather Senate Democrats to ask Biden to
exit the race. Then, on July seventh, Axios reports that
the Democratic senators Biden huddles called off. And here's what
Axios reported quote, Senate Democrats won't meet Monday to discuss
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their support for President Biden continuing his reelection bid, despite
an effort by Senator Mark Warner to organize such a meeting.
This every day we have now I think it's five
Democrat House members who have called for Biden to step down,
and every day it keeps getting more and more and more,
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and there's nothing that the Biden white House has done
to stop the bleeding.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They've also tried to act like the President's willing to
do interviews anywhere at any time, and this has now
turned into another major problem for this white House. You
have one radio host who's now been fired and another
one that is under major scrutiny because in two different cities,
in two different places in America, the same exact interview
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took place with Joe Biden. CNN calling out one of
the hosts as they interview these radio hosts who spoke
with Biden, and they had these interviews and they knew
what they were doing. They heard the questions both interviews
and separate cities, and they're like, this is the same
damn interview happening two times over. And then CNN's like,
(28:06):
all right, we're all in favor of getting Joe Biden out.
So they called out the White House for this. Take
a listen, Andrea.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Let me ask you here about your interviews and something.
I listened to both of them, and there's something that's
similar here. Each were you asked four questions, and maybe
that's what you were allowed to ask by the campaign
or the White House, but they were essentially the same questions.
Both interviews about accomplishments progress in your respective state, what's
at stake in the election, what he has to say
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about his debate performance, and what he would say to
voters who think their vote doesn't matter or might sit
this election out. Were those questions given to you by
the White House or did you have for the campaign
or did you have to submit questions ahead of this interview?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
The questions were sent to me for approval. I approved
to them.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Okay, So the White House sent the questions to you
ahead of the interview, Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I got several questions, eight of them and the four
them were.
Speaker 11 (29:03):
Chosen with the ones that I approved.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Okay, and the reason I ask. It's not a criticism
of either view. It's just that if the White House
is trying now to.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
Prove the.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Vim vigor acuity of the president, I don't know how
they do that by sending questions first before the interview,
so that the president knows what's coming.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Now.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
The campaign and his statements did not deny providing these
questions to that radio show host, but they did add
that the interview was not conditioned on acceptance of those questions,
and added that the any reporter can ask the questions
that they see fit. Now today, the campaign is also
saying that they're changing their practices going forward and that
they will no longer be recommending questions ahead of interviews.
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One source familiar with the Biden booking operation over at
the campaign said, while interview hosts have always been free
to ask whatever questions they please, moving forward, we will
refrain from offering suggested questions.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I mean, you listen to that, and not only did
this one person that was in that interview, that radio
host and your lawful Sanders, she's been forced resigned from
WRD Radio after admitting her post debate interview with President
Biden included questions that were pre selected by the Biden
campaign team. The station owner said it was furious by
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this the presidency of the Philadelphia base station, announcing a
statement posted on Sunday this the interview featured predetermined questions
provided by the White House, which violates our practice of
remaining an independent media outlet accountable to our listeners. As
a result, Miss Lawful Sanders and wr D Radio have
mutually agreed to part ways, effective immediately.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
WRD, by the way, is Pennsylvania's only black owned talk
radio station. So this was a terrible day for the
history and heritage of the station to basically realize that
the White House called and said, hey, you want Biden,
all right, we'll give you Biden on your show and
give you this press, but only if you ask the
four questions that we tell you to ask. And not
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only do they do it in this city, but they
also did it back in Milwaukee as well.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Well. Look a couple observations.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Number one, it's very interesting to know that there are
apparently still people at CNN who know how to do journalism.
I didn't think they knew how to do that. But
you actually saw, very briefly a CNN journalist asking questions,
behaving like a real journalist. And you're right, it's because
the narrative is shifted and they're now, I think, happy
to push Biden out. Two months ago they would not
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have been willing to do that. But secondly, this thing
is utterly corrupt. It shows how completely in bed with
the Democrats that the media is. That you have the
White House of the campaign and I guess they don't
specify which one it is, giving the questions to the
interviewer saying here's what you will ask, which means, by
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the way, that Joe Biden is probably reading the answers
that you know he And it makes you wonder how
many other reporters have done that at the White House
press briefing when Biden has a list in front of him,
call on so and so, how many times does he
know the question and read the answer to it. And look,
(32:22):
you've worked at media a long time. I've been in
the Senate for twelve years. For people listening to this podcast,
you need to understand this is not normal. It's at
least not normal. If you're not a corrupt Democrat.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I mean, I mean, look, I do this fair amount
with people that I interview right over the years, and
I've had campaigns or officely say, hey, the Senator or
the congressman or the governor has this piece of legislation,
if you'd please ask him a question about that. It's
something it's very important, and then it's going to be introduced.
(32:58):
And I'm fine with that. But if you gave me
four questions to ask and said you get them only,
if you asked these four questions and these four questions only,
I would tell them to pound sand no matter who
it was, because that's not doing an interview. That's that
that that that's a scripted moment. You might as well
just have the president sit there at the White House
and say, here are the four questions are going.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
To answer today that I chose.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, Look, it's I've done hundreds of interviews, if not
maybe thousands of interviews. I've done a crap ton of interviews. Uh,
to the best of my knowledge, I've certainly never submitted questions.
The best of my knowledge, no one on my team has. Now,
what is typical is what you just said. If you're
doing an interview. Let's say I'm going on Hannity. It's
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typical that that that my press team will talk with
Hannity's producers and they'll discuss some topics. So if you're
going to talk about the Biden debate, or if you're
going to talk about illegal immigration, or sometimes there's some
story that just broke of, like you know, th real
the or the terrorist you know, being the the eight
(34:03):
terrorists suspected terrorists from Tajikistan just released. If there's a
story that just broke the producer will tell my press team, Hey,
Sean wants to ask about this. That's typical, so you
have some idea what the topic is you're discussing, so
that you can be prepared. But I'll tell you my
guess is of the interviews I do, at least half
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of them, they asked me something that is not a
topic that they mentioned at all, So you know, it's
it's helpful to have. Okay, if we're going to do Israel,
I should probably be up on the latest developments of
what's happened on Israel in the last few days. But
it is an absolute violation of journalistic ethics and norms
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to simply read the questions the campaign handed you, and
and the absolute arrogance that the Biden campaign has that
they they fully assume that that that fake journalists will
be more than happy to comply.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, it's like they're shopping for anyone that will play
a game at this point. And the worst part for me,
I think is the fact that they did this in
response to the debate to try to convince the American
people that he is easy on his feet, that he
can do these interviews, that he's not scripted, that he
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can talk off the cuff, when in fact, we pull
back the curtain yet again, and it's another lie of
the American people.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It's all fake. It was all set up.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
He knew exactly what the interview was going to be
in both cities, and it was the exact interview two
times in a row.
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I think is an all time high. But how long
until the media gets back in line and it's business
as usual? How many more days can they continue to
(37:48):
go after Joe Biden if he refuses to drop out?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, I think the instant Biden is out and they
coordinate the next person, then the media will absolutely fall
in line and it will become a straight on cheer leading.
It will be hallelujah, hallelujah. The problems are all solved.
Now we must all vote for either Kamalo or Michelle
Obama and and save America and and stop stop Orange
Man bad. I mean, and the it would be instantaneous.
(38:14):
But you know, let me make a couple of quick
more observations on that point. You know, as you and
I were talking about doing interviews and getting questions ahead
of time. As I said, I've done a gazillion of
them and and and have not had the questions ahead
of time. But you know, I was actually thinking about it.
On this podcast, We've interviewed a bunch of folks. Now
(38:36):
I'm not a journalist. I don't pretend to be a journalist. Uh,
but even when we interview people on this podcast, we've
never given people of questions ahead of time. And I
actually thought back to it to an interview that that
that that on this podcast actually but before you were
my co host, what it was Michael Doles and me
where we interviewed Bill Barr. And we interviewed Bill Barr
(38:58):
at the Department of Justice. He was the sitting Attorney General.
And it was interesting. His communication staff was really freaked
out and they were like, Okay, well, well, how's this
gonna be and and listen. I've known Bill for twenty
years and we're friends, and I'm telling him, relax, I'm
not I'm not gonna play games. This, this is not
this is not a gotcha interview. This is not trying
(39:19):
to you know, go stick it to him. And I didn't,
but it ended up being It was one of our
most listened podcasts we've ever done, in part because Bill
was someone who would come across on TV as as
as pretty stiff and tight and you know, very controlled,
and because he and I are friends, he was relaxed
(39:39):
and we were cutting up. And Bill as funny as hell.
I mean, he has this wickedly sarcastic sense of humor,
and and it came out we had a great, free range,
free ranging interview that look what a podcast is good.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
It sounds like a.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Couple of guys sitting at a cafe having dinner and
and just shooting the bree He's talking about what's going on.
But even then, with someone I'd known twenty years, I
don't even think I told him the topics we were
going to discuss. We just sat down and now I
wasn't playing gotcha games. But that's what we did. But
let me make a second point about just how astonishingly
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rapidly the media can do one hundred and eighty degree reversal.
So on this podcast, we've talked a lot about Hunter
Biden and the whole Hunter Biden investigations and the trials,
and for months and months and months and for years
and years and years, the White House narrative and the
corporate media narrative was Hunter is a poor, troubled son.
(40:44):
He struggles with substance abuse, He's a sad soul, and
it's all about him. But they've said he has nothing, nothing,
nothing to do with the White House. No, no, no, no, no,
no Hunter, when he was making millions of dollars from
every corrupt oligarch in every enemy of America across the planet,
whether the Chinese Communists or the Russians or what have you,
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that had nothing to do with favors from Papa Joe.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Hunter is not at all connected to Joe Biden the
White House. That's been their their relentless talking point for years. Correct, Yes,
all right, I want to read you this paragraph from
Axios on July seventh, Behind the Curtain on bendable Biden
versus breaking point Dams quote. We're now in uncharted historic waters.
(41:33):
President Biden, backed by First Lady Jill Biden, and his
convicted son Hunter, who's serving as de facto gatekeeper to
his dad, says that nothing besides an act of God
will persuade him to quit his reelection campaign. So without
missing a beat, the corporate media can now suddenly admit
(41:55):
Hunter is quote de facto gatekeeper to his dad. This
is the same Hunter who about twelve minutes ago, their
walking storyline was no, no, no, no, Hunter's never met Joe Biden.
I'm sorry, they have nothing to do. He doesn't even
know where the White House is. No, no, no, no, pay
no attention to the man behind the curtain. This is
not about Joe Biden and his corruption.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, this is the media. They'll get back in line soon,
don't worry.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I get stantaneously.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, I give him a week and a half, two weeks,
and then they'll start dialing back the full court press
to get Biden out, because they're then going to be
afraid maybe we can't get rid of him by when
we want to. So we got to pull back a
little bit. And I think going into these conventions coming up.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how they even
deal with him if Joe Biden's still there at the
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convention and he's quote still the guy. I also think this,
I gotta ask Ki Bona's question, do you think Donald
Trump is gonna have to, in essence, just put the
VP pick on hold until they figure out who they're
running against?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
That is an awfully good question.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean, I don't know. Look, look away from you
and I go into the con Yeah. Yeah, we have
no idea who the VP candidate is, and I'm not
sure he does either.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Look, it is not a crazy question to ask.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
The Trump campaign has said repeatedly that they'll announce the
VP by the convention, and you know, usually the VP
gives a big speech at the convention the day before
the president does. It is a tricky question because if
you don't know who you're running against, that is certainly
a real factor in trying to decide who VP is.
(43:31):
It would I have not looked at the legal questions
at how complicated it would be to dame a VP
after the convention, but it would not be insane for
Trump to delay that choice until he has some real
confidence who his opponent's going to be.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, and that's where I'm sitting there just scratching my head.
It's gonna be a fun one. Don't forget to center.
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Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It is Verdict with center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
I hope you had a fabulous Fourth of July with
your family, and we've got a lot to talk about.
I'm gonna guess it's going to be a lot about
Biden because that's what everybody else in the country was
chatting about over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, that's certainly true.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Chaos ensues in the Democrat Party, paddic is continuing to grow.
But before we talk about that, I will say you
and I are both sitting here. It is Sunday night,
We're both in Houston, Texas, and a hurricane is preparing
to make landfall in the Great State of Texas. It
is expected down south of here, somewhere around Victoria. It's
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expected to make landfall late tonight, somewhere one or two
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So just before this.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Podcast goes live to the world, and the projections are
right now that it may accelerate to a category one
or category two hurricane and then move north up to
you and me in Houston. We're anticipating anywhere from five
inches to as much as fifteen inches of depending on
where you where you are, So so let me say,
(01:03):
first of all, to everyone in Texas, stay safe.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You and I were talking right before we started filming this.
You were saying, it's your first hurricane in Houston. I'm
a lifelong Houstonian and hurricanes are part of life here.
But the best advice is stay safe. Don't risk anything.
If you see water and don't know how deep it is,
don't drive into it. Where people are most frequently in
harm's way is they drive into what they think is
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shallow water and it ends up being deeper and more dangerous.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And so keep your family safe.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Our prayers are going to be with everyone along the
Gulf coast tonight, and make make sure you don't take
any unnecessary risks and you listen to first responders and
stay at a harm's way.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I also want to ask you about this week you
were hanging out with fam. How many people around fourth
of July asked you about Joe Biden? Everyone look look
fourth of July.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I had a great, great several days with with my
youngest daughter Catherine. The two of us together hung out.
Now Heidi and Caroline went on a mission trip to Africa,
which was a fantastic experience.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Shake.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Caroline went with Heidi and with Heidie's mom and and
and they were in Zambia. Had an incredible time there.
But but you know, I got to say it over
the fourth of July, you know, we were we were
barbecuing burgers. Unlike Chuck Schumer, we actually know to turn
the heat on and to cook the burger before you
put the cheese on. So so so that's that's something
apparently Democrats don't understand how actually agrilla burger. But just
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about every every durn conversation standing around on the fourth
of July was what's happening with Biden?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Is he going what's going to happen? And and and
and I.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Got to say, we have seen the chaos spreading. Uh,
we've seen the White House damage control really not going
well at all. And and also on today's podcast, I'm
going to modify my prediction at least some what I
now think there's a significant chance we may get an
(03:04):
outcome different than what I predict.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'm gonna explain all that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh, we're changing predictions. I like this.
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I'm gonna go back to what you said a moment ago, Senator.
You said, you're you're going to quote slightly change your
prediction for everyone that doesn't know.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You predicted nine almost ten months.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Ago now that if Joe Biden was replaced, it would
be at the convention and they would parachute in Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So how are we changing it. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well, that was my prediction, as you said, nine ten
months ago, and at the time my prediction then, as
I said, there's a real possibility. I didn't believe nine
ten months ago that it was greater than fifty percent,
but I thought there was a real, significant possibility. There
were Democrats who were flighting floating trial balloons even back then.
The media was floating trial balloons even back then. And
(05:48):
as I laid out my reasoning, I thought Michelle Obama
was the natural choice for them, and where if I
were a Democrat, that's where I would push. Now, over
the last couple of months, I adjusted those odds to
fifty to fifty or greater that they would pull the
cord on Joe Biden. As things started getting worse and
(06:09):
worse and worse, I thought the odds were getting higher
and higher. And then after the disastrous debate, you and
I both watched the debate. We watched it real time,
and then we sat down and recorded the podcast immediately
after the podcast and immediately after the debate. Rather and
my assessment that night is I now think the chances
are eighty percent that the Democrats pull the cord on
(06:32):
Joe Biden. And what I said then is and parachute
Michelle Obama in Again, if I were a Democrat, I'd
be all in on that, and In fact, if that happened,
it would be incredibly dangerous. We've seen polling that puts
Michelle Obama in a really strong position, and as someone
who wants Trump to win in November, I don't want
to see that happen. What is interesting, though, the Democrats
(06:54):
don't seem to be heading there with the speed that
you would anticipate. And so here's how I'm going to
alter my addiction. I still think it is eighty percent
that they pull the cord on Joe Biden, but I'm
now going to modify it and say among that eighty percent,
I think it is fifty to fifty whether they go
(07:14):
with Michelle Obama or Kamala Harris. And I didn't think
they'd go with Kamala because Kamala is a much weaker candidate.
But it's interesting we have seen Democrats positioning, fighting, pushing
for Kamala to be the choice. And so, as I'm
handicapping it right now, in terms of who's going to
be the Democrat nominee come November, I put the odds
(07:37):
forty percent Michelle Obama, forty percent Kamala Harris, and twenty
percent Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right, let's go over. Why you think that Kamala
has jumped up for me personally? I do think they're
kind of forced in a position where she's the front runner.
Just from the aspect of the money. The money that's
raised by the Biden heres campaign can only stay with
Biden slash Harris. It can't go to somebody else quickly
(08:05):
and the campaign apparatus. Is that why you're saying she
has a much higher chance now than you said before.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
No, No, the money. At the end of the day,
I'll sort itself out. The Democrats are not going to
be lacking for money in November. They've got gazillionaires who
will devote whatever money is necessary to try to elect
a Democrat that's not going to constrain their choice. Look,
Michelle Obama, what I laid out ten months ago was
(08:33):
that Kamala was obviously a deeply flawed candidate. But if
you wanted to push her aside, the Democrats could not
push her aside and replace her with a white guy
because their party, they're such bean counters. Their party would implode.
And so the Gavin Newsom noticed. I put the odds
of Gavin Newsom at zero percent. I don't think because
(08:56):
he's a white guy, and he can't.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I just wanted to hear you say it because it's
it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, No, it's the Democrat Party. If they pushed an
African American woman aside for a white guy, particularly a
rich white California surfer dude, that their party would would
spontaneously combust. So they're faced in a quandary where the
only human being on planet Earth who can push Kamala
(09:22):
aside as Michelle Obama, because she has the same demographic
characteristics as Kamala, and she she is the Democrat equivalent
of royalty.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
She she she now has has Camelot.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
The Kennedys have gone, and the Obamas have replaced replaced them,
and and and so she can parachute in as standing
above the fray. What is interesting, though, is that nobody
on the Democrat side has made any move towards that
in the day since the debate, which which.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I'm surprised of.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Instead, what you've seen is moultiple Democrats beginning to push Kamala,
yeah hard, push her hard, and say, look, if Joe
steps down, it's got to be Kamala.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's no one else, It's Kamala. It' Kamala, it's Kaba.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
So for me, it's not the money, it's you get
invested in something, you start leaning in, the stakeholders start
getting behind it, that the press voices start getting behind,
the members of Congress and the senators start getting behind it.
And once you're you can't be a little bit pregnant.
And I think as people get further and further down
that road, it becomes harder to check to change the
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course you're on. And you're already seeing lots of stories
from the Democratic side. No, no, no, no, Kamala is
a much stronger candidate than you think. All of you
people who who think she's a weak candidate, you're all wrong,
and she's going to be Madam President. We saw, you know,
Jim Clyburn go on TV and say, look, I support
Biden Harris, and that means I support Joe Biden even
(10:58):
if Kamala Harris is not on the ticket. But he
goes on to say, and that means I support Kamala
Harris even if Joe Biden's not on the ticket. Now
that's a big deal because without Clideburn, Biden doesn't get
the nomination. In twenty twenty, he played a pivotal role
in stampeding Democrats away from Bernie Sanders to Joe Biden.
And I think that was a serious signal that the
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powers that be, they're freaking out, but more of them
are getting behind Kamala than I thought would happened.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Let's talk about this Stepanophoulis interview, and you and I
mentioned that it was an important interview. Obviously at the
end of last week. It was an interview that was
actually heavily watched. Some of the ratings show that a
lot of Americans watched it. It was obviously a topic
of conversation for July fourth with people with their family,
with their friends, and if you're a Democrat, I think
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it's actually this interview universe right now because you're trying
to figure out what the heck are we going to.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Do this interview.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
As I watched it, I don't think it helped the
president at all. There was one moment in there that
was actually shocking to me. And Stepanopolis asked the president
did you watch the debate afterwards? And he paused and
he said, no, I don't think I did. You would
(12:18):
know if you watched the debate that was days earlier,
you wouldn't say no, I don't think I did. I
don't think this interview helped the president at all.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Well, look, it is a weird answer. I don't think
I watched it. And I will say this, I've done.
I don't know a ton of political debates. I don't
think I've ever watched one of the debates.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I did.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I've watched little snippets. I've watched little excerpts from him.
You know, Frank Luntz does his dial group things, and
I've had had Frank for several debates. Has like gone through,
say a half dozen moments of the debate and played
you know, a minute or no seconds or two minutes
of it and showed me the dial groups of what
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people liked and what people didn't. So I've done that analysis.
But I don't believe I've ever sat down and watched
a debate and its entirety after it happened. But that
being said, if you ask a person three days later
did you watch the debate to say I don't know
is kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and it's a disaster of a debate, so it
was even more of a relevant question. You've never had
a disaster debate like Joe Biden did either.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
By the way, I will tell you that there was
one I did, and you don't know about this, but
long ago, all right, So when I was first running
for separate stories.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
By the way, for everybody that's listening, this is when
it gets good, So take notes.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
All right.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
So I'm first running for Senate. It's a twenty twelve election.
It was twenty eleven, and nobody's ever heard of me.
I'm a candidate. I'm at two percent in the polls.
Never been you know, never been elected to nothing. Last
thing I was elected to was student council. And so
I'm out there. I'm working. I'm working. And we had
we had an event in San Antonio, a fundraiser, and
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it was a fundraiser at the home of a wonderful woman,
a dear friend in San Antonio. Had people come and
we stayed at the dinner till till about midnight, and
then we drove from San Antonio back to Houston. And
so I got to my house at four in the morning,
and I slept from four in the morning till about
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six in the morning, and I had a breakfast at
like seven or seven thirty. So I got maybe two
hours sleep. That night, we had a debate for the
Senate race. And it was an interesting debate because at
the time, David Dewhurst, who was Lieutenant governor and was
the leading candidate who was supposed to walk into a coronation,
he didn't participate at all, and so it was it
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was several of us that were considered by the media
to be the kind of second tier, but it was
the only Senate debate. You may not know this either,
that Dan Patrick, who's now the Lieutenant governor of Texas.
Dan participated in. He didn't actually run for Senate, but
he kind of thought about it. He thought about it
enough to participate in the debate and that debate that night,
I'd had between an hour and two hours sleep, and
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as the debate was going on, to be absolutely honest, Bet,
I was just falling asleep. I was literally like nodding
over there and my answers, I think some of my
answers were shorter than Biden. You know, like at some point,
I don't know, they asked me something like, you know,
would you abolish so security? I don't remember, something like that,
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and I gave like a three word answer, no. I
would not, and that they seem clever. But it's really
bad debate strategy. And I and and you know my
political team really well, I am not a yeller. I
don't yell at my team. You could ask JJ. I
yelled at him and I said, look, I think I'm
(15:53):
relatively decent at this stuff, but you can't send me
into a debate with an hour or two hour sleep.
I mean, that's just not And I sucked that night.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It was.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
It was a miserable debate. Thankfully, there were like twelve
people on planet Earth that watched it and so as
I was dozing off. It did not impact the race
one way or the other, but it sure did impact me.
I was never going to let that happen again.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's hey, it only takes once, right and then you
learn your lesson on that one for sure. If you
are Kamala Harris now, and I want to know, do
you think she'll be held accountable for her lives? And
hold on, I want to play it for you first.
I want to play it for you. Okay, this is
Kamala Harris over the years. Okay, this isn't just like
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in the last week covering for the cognitive ConA Joe Biden,
will she have to answer for this.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm going to play it, and I want your reaction.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
We have a very bold and vibrant president in Joe Biden, but.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
A majority of Americans, according a majority of Democrats according
to our new poll, say they don't want President Biden
to run again.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
What do you say to that, I mean, George, I
think that age is more than a chronological fact. To
be very frank with you, it's about thinking about whether
we have in our leader, which we do in Joe Biden,
somebody who was bold, I mean, think about it. And
in Joe Biden, we have a president who is probably
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one of the boldest and strongest American presidents we have
had in his response to the needs of the American people.
But he is an extraordinary leader. And I wish that
people could see what I see, because there's only one
person who says, behind that resolute desk, you're fifty eight.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Now. If you win the second term, as you and
the President are running to do, he would be eighty
six at the end of it. The Wall Street Journal
had a poll showing two thirds of Democrats say Joe
Biden is too old to run again. Are you prepared
to be commandering?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Yes, I am if necessary. But Joe Biden is gonna
be fine. And let me tell you something. I work
with Joe Biden every day. The work that under Joe
Biden's leadership, our administration has accomplished is transformative.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
To very prominent Washington Post articles today talking about President
Biden's age, and that's a been concerned among the young
voters and in growing poll numbers, that's a be concerned.
Are are people right to be concerned about his age.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
At this point?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
When I talk to these young voters, what they want
is a leader who is in touch with the problems
of today and has a vision for what we can
do today and in the future to deal with it.
President Biden is the first president to take on in
any substantial way the issue of the climate crisis.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'm not going I mean you you listen to this
and I've got another four minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
But that's just some of the highlights.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She whied to the American people and has been definitely
involved in this cover up she for years. It says
Biden is quote very bold and vibrant. Then she says
he's tireless in terms of working and says he's gonna
be fine. He is in good shape, he's in good health.
She lied to the American people. So if she gets
the nomination, how big is this going to come back?
(19:18):
I think of of a of a conversation with Donald
Trump and whoever he picks when they go up against her.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Look, I think in terms of the media, absolutely not
at all. They they do not care. She repeated the line,
so did every other Democrats, so did every other White
House staff, or so did all of the all of
the corporate media. You know, it reminds me from from
from the line from the movie The Manchurian Candidate. You
remember that, that that movie with Frank Sinatra in it,
and and and they're all brainwashed to support this candidate,
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and they all say the identical line. They all say,
Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human
being I've ever known in my life. And they all
repeat that because that's what they were brainwashed to say. Look,
Kamala talking about Joe Biden is the same things. He's
the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever
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known in my life. He's most smart, he's brilliant. He
can do differential equations in his head. Wow, and they're
just lying. They know they're lying. They knew they were lying.
But you know what, the press knew they were lying.
The Democrats knew they were lying. They didn't care that
they were lying. And the frustrating thing is they don't
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care now. They'd be perfectly fine to prop Joe Biden
up and we can it bernies him for the next
four years if it keeps him in power. The only
reason they care is because they're looking at poll numbers saying,
oh crap, people don't want to elect someone president who's
noncompassment is if they thought they could get away with
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chief being unable to tie his own shoes.
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Yeah, great point.
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Speaker 1 (22:27):
All right, let me ask you another question.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
After the George Stephanopolis interview took place, Biden refused to
commit to an independent medical evaluation. If he was trying
to get everyone to calm down, wouldn't your campaign say
yes to doing this unless they're hiding something. Would you
be willing to undergo an independent medical evaluation that included
(22:51):
neurological and cognitive cognitive tests.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And release the results to the American people.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
Look, I have a cognitive test every single day. Every day,
I have that test everything I do. You know, not
only am I campaigning, but I'm running the world.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
And that sound how it sounds like.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
Iprobaly, But we are the central nation in the world,
and I don't know that was right. And every single day,
for example, today, before I come out here, I'm on
the phone with the Prime minister. You or I shouldn't
get into detail.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But he can't remember which prime minister he's on the
phone with. It says I got this under control, guys,
I don't need a cognitive test from a doctor.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I do it every day well and look to be fair,
he may well have had that test. I mean, we
also had the stories break this past week. That's the
New York Post. President Biden's physician met with Parkinson's disease
specialist in the White House. A top Washington neurologist had
a meeting with President Biden's personal doctor at the White
(23:50):
House earlier this year. Visitors logs reviewed by the Post
show doctor Kevin Canard, a Parkinson's disease expert at Walter
Reed Medical Center, met with doctor Kevin O'Connor and two
others at the White House Residence clinic on January seventeenth,
according to records, which emerge as questions continue to swirl
about the eighty one year old president's mental health in
(24:11):
the wake of his debate debacle last week with former
President Trump. Now that there was yet another headline from
the Washington Examiner which is even more stunning, which is quote,
top Parkinson's disease specialist visited White House ten times since
twenty twenty two, according.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
To the visitors' logs. And I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Read from that story, President, but Joe Biden's physician met
with a top Washington, DC neurologists who specialized in Parkin's
disease earlier this year. Cannard's name shows up in the
visitors logs ten times since November fifteenth, twenty twenty and
Ron Jackson, who Ronnie Jackson, who now the congressman from Texas,
(24:54):
a good friend who used to be the White House physician,
said quote, it is highly likely they were talking about Biden.
He should only be regularly treating the President and the
first family. That is the White House physician ten times.
It's a very simple question. Why do you have a
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top Parkinson's disease specialist coming to the White House ten
times since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, ten times. So if that is the case, And
I love how now all of a sudden, the media
is doing their job right, Like they're doing their job
and they're and they're actually digging and they're asking questions.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But it's all they didn't report on that a month ago.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, No, they're doing it now, but it's not for
the right reasons. And that's why I say, don't give
them any credit. It's because they've gotten their marching orders
from Democratic donors. And the Democratic Party that your job
now is to get rid of Joe Biden. I mean
the Stepanopolis interview. I wanted to give him credit, but
I know what's happening. I'm not an idiot. This is
not the normal George Stepanopolis.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
His job.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
They sent him there to take down Biden, to be
the hit man to end his presidency. And the way
he treated him was the way he would treat Donald
Trump in an interview. It was shocking to watch, but
you have to understand they're doing it because they think
they're going to lose their power, because they think they're
going to lose with Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, they're panicking. We're seeing Democrats panic, We're seeing the
media panic. They want to push Joe out. It's why
I put the odds at eighty percent. And look over
the last week, the drip, drip, drip keeps coming. So
The New York Times in this past week reported quote
a senior White House official, though unnamed, as telling the
New York Times Biden should stand aside. That's a senior
(26:38):
White House official in the Biden white House, mind you.
The Washington Post on July fifth, Senator Mark Warner a
Democrat works to gather Senate Democrats to ask Biden to
exit the race. Then, on July seventh, Axios reports that
the Democratic senators Biden huddles called off. And here's what
Axios reported quote, Senate Democrats won't meet Monday to discuss
(27:00):
their support for President Biden continuing his reelection bid, despite
an effort by Senator Mark Warner to organize such a meeting.
This every day we have now I think it's five
Democrat House members who have called for Biden to step down,
and every day it keeps getting more and more and more,
(27:21):
and there's nothing that the Biden white House has done
to stop the bleeding.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They've also tried to act like the President's willing to
do interviews anywhere at any time, and this has now
turned into another major problem for this white House. You
have one radio host who's now been fired and another
one that is under major scrutiny because in two different cities,
in two different places in America, the same exact interview
(27:46):
took place with Joe Biden. CNN calling out one of
the hosts as they interview these radio hosts who spoke
with Biden, and they had these interviews and they knew
what they were doing. They heard the questions both interviews
and separate cities, and they're like, this is the same
damn interview happening two times over. And then CNN's like,
(28:06):
all right, we're all in favor of getting Joe Biden out.
So they called out the White House for this. Take
a listen, Andrea.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Let me ask you here about your interviews and something.
I listened to both of them, and there's something that's
similar here. Each were you asked four questions, and maybe
that's what you were allowed to ask by the campaign
or the White House, but they were essentially the same questions.
Both interviews about accomplishments progress in your respective state, what's
at stake in the election, what he has to say
(28:33):
about his debate performance, and what he would say to
voters who think their vote doesn't matter or might sit
this election out. Were those questions given to you by
the White House or did you have for the campaign
or did you have to submit questions ahead of this interview?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
The questions were sent to me for approval. I approved
to them.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Okay, So the White House sent the questions to you
ahead of the interview, Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I got several questions, eight of them and the four
them were.
Speaker 11 (29:03):
Chosen with the ones that I approved.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Okay, and the reason I ask. It's not a criticism
of either view. It's just that if the White House
is trying now to.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
Prove the.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Vim vigor acuity of the president, I don't know how
they do that by sending questions first before the interview,
so that the president knows what's coming.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Now.
Speaker 11 (29:24):
The campaign and his statements did not deny providing these
questions to that radio show host, but they did add
that the interview was not conditioned on acceptance of those questions,
and added that the any reporter can ask the questions
that they see fit. Now today, the campaign is also
saying that they're changing their practices going forward and that
they will no longer be recommending questions ahead of interviews.
(29:48):
One source familiar with the Biden booking operation over at
the campaign said, while interview hosts have always been free
to ask whatever questions they please, moving forward, we will
refrain from offering suggested questions.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I mean, you listen to that, and not only did
this one person that was in that interview, that radio
host and your lawful Sanders, she's been forced resigned from
WRD Radio after admitting her post debate interview with President
Biden included questions that were pre selected by the Biden
campaign team. The station owner said it was furious by
(30:25):
this the presidency of the Philadelphia base station, announcing a
statement posted on Sunday this the interview featured predetermined questions
provided by the White House, which violates our practice of
remaining an independent media outlet accountable to our listeners. As
a result, Miss Lawful Sanders and wr D Radio have
mutually agreed to part ways, effective immediately.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
WRD, by the way, is Pennsylvania's only black owned talk
radio station. So this was a terrible day for the
history and heritage of the station to basically realize that
the White House called and said, hey, you want Biden,
all right, we'll give you Biden on your show and
give you this press, but only if you ask the
four questions that we tell you to ask. And not
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only do they do it in this city, but they
also did it back in Milwaukee as well.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Well. Look a couple observations.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Number one, it's very interesting to know that there are
apparently still people at CNN who know how to do journalism.
I didn't think they knew how to do that. But
you actually saw, very briefly a CNN journalist asking questions,
behaving like a real journalist. And you're right, it's because
the narrative is shifted and they're now, I think, happy
to push Biden out. Two months ago they would not
(31:38):
have been willing to do that. But secondly, this thing
is utterly corrupt. It shows how completely in bed with
the Democrats that the media is. That you have the
White House of the campaign and I guess they don't
specify which one it is, giving the questions to the
interviewer saying here's what you will ask, which means, by
(32:01):
the way, that Joe Biden is probably reading the answers
that you know he And it makes you wonder how
many other reporters have done that at the White House
press briefing when Biden has a list in front of him,
call on so and so, how many times does he
know the question and read the answer to it. And look,
(32:22):
you've worked at media a long time. I've been in
the Senate for twelve years. For people listening to this podcast,
you need to understand this is not normal. It's at
least not normal. If you're not a corrupt Democrat.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I mean, I mean, look, I do this fair amount
with people that I interview right over the years, and
I've had campaigns or officely say, hey, the Senator or
the congressman or the governor has this piece of legislation,
if you'd please ask him a question about that. It's
something it's very important, and then it's going to be introduced.
(32:58):
And I'm fine with that. But if you gave me
four questions to ask and said you get them only,
if you asked these four questions and these four questions only,
I would tell them to pound sand no matter who
it was, because that's not doing an interview. That's that
that that that's a scripted moment. You might as well
just have the president sit there at the White House
and say, here are the four questions are going.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
To answer today that I chose.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, Look, it's I've done hundreds of interviews, if not
maybe thousands of interviews. I've done a crap ton of interviews. Uh,
to the best of my knowledge, I've certainly never submitted questions.
The best of my knowledge, no one on my team has. Now,
what is typical is what you just said. If you're
doing an interview. Let's say I'm going on Hannity. It's
(33:43):
typical that that that my press team will talk with
Hannity's producers and they'll discuss some topics. So if you're
going to talk about the Biden debate, or if you're
going to talk about illegal immigration, or sometimes there's some
story that just broke of, like you know, th real
the or the terrorist you know, being the the eight
(34:03):
terrorists suspected terrorists from Tajikistan just released. If there's a
story that just broke the producer will tell my press team, Hey,
Sean wants to ask about this. That's typical, so you
have some idea what the topic is you're discussing, so
that you can be prepared. But I'll tell you my
guess is of the interviews I do, at least half
(34:24):
of them, they asked me something that is not a
topic that they mentioned at all, So you know, it's
it's helpful to have. Okay, if we're going to do Israel,
I should probably be up on the latest developments of
what's happened on Israel in the last few days. But
it is an absolute violation of journalistic ethics and norms
(34:46):
to simply read the questions the campaign handed you, and
and the absolute arrogance that the Biden campaign has that
they they fully assume that that that fake journalists will
be more than happy to comply.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, it's like they're shopping for anyone that will play
a game at this point. And the worst part for me,
I think is the fact that they did this in
response to the debate to try to convince the American
people that he is easy on his feet, that he
can do these interviews, that he's not scripted, that he
(35:24):
can talk off the cuff, when in fact, we pull
back the curtain yet again, and it's another lie of
the American people.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It's all fake. It was all set up.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
He knew exactly what the interview was going to be
in both cities, and it was the exact interview two
times in a row.
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to get free Ammo in your account today. Amosquare dot
com slash verdict. Sara, I got two more questions for you,
and it deals again with the media. One the media hypocrisy,
I think is an all time high. But how long
until the media gets back in line and it's business
as usual? How many more days can they continue to
(37:48):
go after Joe Biden if he refuses to drop out?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, I think the instant Biden is out and they
coordinate the next person, then the media will absolutely fall
in line and it will become a straight on cheer leading.
It will be hallelujah, hallelujah. The problems are all solved.
Now we must all vote for either Kamalo or Michelle
Obama and and save America and and stop stop Orange
Man bad. I mean, and the it would be instantaneous.
(38:14):
But you know, let me make a couple of quick
more observations on that point. You know, as you and
I were talking about doing interviews and getting questions ahead
of time. As I said, I've done a gazillion of
them and and and have not had the questions ahead
of time. But you know, I was actually thinking about it.
On this podcast, We've interviewed a bunch of folks. Now
(38:36):
I'm not a journalist. I don't pretend to be a journalist. Uh,
but even when we interview people on this podcast, we've
never given people of questions ahead of time. And I
actually thought back to it to an interview that that
that that on this podcast actually but before you were
my co host, what it was Michael Doles and me
where we interviewed Bill Barr. And we interviewed Bill Barr
(38:58):
at the Department of Justice. He was the sitting Attorney General.
And it was interesting. His communication staff was really freaked
out and they were like, Okay, well, well, how's this
gonna be and and listen. I've known Bill for twenty
years and we're friends, and I'm telling him, relax, I'm
not I'm not gonna play games. This, this is not
this is not a gotcha interview. This is not trying
(39:19):
to you know, go stick it to him. And I didn't,
but it ended up being It was one of our
most listened podcasts we've ever done, in part because Bill
was someone who would come across on TV as as
as pretty stiff and tight and you know, very controlled,
and because he and I are friends, he was relaxed
(39:39):
and we were cutting up. And Bill as funny as hell.
I mean, he has this wickedly sarcastic sense of humor,
and and it came out we had a great, free range,
free ranging interview that look what a podcast is good.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
It sounds like a.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Couple of guys sitting at a cafe having dinner and
and just shooting the bree He's talking about what's going on.
But even then, with someone I'd known twenty years, I
don't even think I told him the topics we were
going to discuss. We just sat down and now I
wasn't playing gotcha games. But that's what we did. But
let me make a second point about just how astonishingly
(40:21):
rapidly the media can do one hundred and eighty degree reversal.
So on this podcast, we've talked a lot about Hunter
Biden and the whole Hunter Biden investigations and the trials,
and for months and months and months and for years
and years and years, the White House narrative and the
corporate media narrative was Hunter is a poor, troubled son.
(40:44):
He struggles with substance abuse, He's a sad soul, and
it's all about him. But they've said he has nothing, nothing,
nothing to do with the White House. No, no, no, no, no,
no Hunter, when he was making millions of dollars from
every corrupt oligarch in every enemy of America across the planet,
whether the Chinese Communists or the Russians or what have you,
(41:05):
that had nothing to do with favors from Papa Joe.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Hunter is not at all connected to Joe Biden the
White House. That's been their their relentless talking point for years. Correct, Yes,
all right, I want to read you this paragraph from
Axios on July seventh, Behind the Curtain on bendable Biden
versus breaking point Dams quote. We're now in uncharted historic waters.
(41:33):
President Biden, backed by First Lady Jill Biden, and his
convicted son Hunter, who's serving as de facto gatekeeper to
his dad, says that nothing besides an act of God
will persuade him to quit his reelection campaign. So without
missing a beat, the corporate media can now suddenly admit
(41:55):
Hunter is quote de facto gatekeeper to his dad. This
is the same Hunter who about twelve minutes ago, their
walking storyline was no, no, no, no, Hunter's never met Joe Biden.
I'm sorry, they have nothing to do. He doesn't even
know where the White House is. No, no, no, no, pay
no attention to the man behind the curtain. This is
not about Joe Biden and his corruption.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, this is the media. They'll get back in line soon,
don't worry.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I get stantaneously.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, I give him a week and a half, two weeks,
and then they'll start dialing back the full court press
to get Biden out, because they're then going to be
afraid maybe we can't get rid of him by when
we want to. So we got to pull back a
little bit. And I think going into these conventions coming up.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how they even
deal with him if Joe Biden's still there at the
(42:41):
convention and he's quote still the guy. I also think this,
I gotta ask Ki Bona's question, do you think Donald
Trump is gonna have to, in essence, just put the
VP pick on hold until they figure out who they're
running against?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
That is an awfully good question.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean, I don't know. Look, look away from you
and I go into the con Yeah. Yeah, we have
no idea who the VP candidate is, and I'm not
sure he does either.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Look, it is not a crazy question to ask.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
The Trump campaign has said repeatedly that they'll announce the
VP by the convention, and you know, usually the VP
gives a big speech at the convention the day before
the president does. It is a tricky question because if
you don't know who you're running against, that is certainly
a real factor in trying to decide who VP is.
(43:31):
It would I have not looked at the legal questions
at how complicated it would be to dame a VP
after the convention, but it would not be insane for
Trump to delay that choice until he has some real
confidence who his opponent's going to be.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, and that's where I'm sitting there just scratching my head.
It's gonna be a fun one. Don't forget to center.
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