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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is verdict with center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
It was a very very lively day in the Senate
and it deals with the Majorcus impeachment. Get everybody up
to speed on what we're going to be seeing over
the next day.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, this week is an historic week in the United
States Senate. Yesterday, on Tuesday, the House of Representatives delivered
articles of impeachment for Alejandro Majorcas to the Senate. This
is only the twenty second time in our nation's history
that articles of impeachment have been delivered to the Senate. Today,
on Wednesday, the Senate will commence the hearing at one
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pm to day. Under the Senate rules, we will convene,
we will be sworn in as jurors in the trial.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I expect a battle.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I expect some fireworks, and sadly, I expect the Democrats
to try to utterly dodge the issue and throw it
out and refuse to hold a trial. But today is
going to be a big battle, because this is going
to be all about the Democrats being willing to throw
the Constitution in the trash in order to avoid any
national attention on the disaster that is playing out on
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our southern border and in order to avoid any accountability
for their responsibility for the lives that are being lost
because of Joe Biden and the Democrats' open borders.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
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a day. I want to get your take on how
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we think we can get done with this thing and
maybe a day.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Is that a possibility now, yes?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, sadly yes, and in fact, I would say it's
likely right now. So let me describe what happened yesterday
on Tuesday and what's likely happened today. So yesterday, on Tuesday,
at about two point thirty in the afternoon, the House
Managers arrived at the Senate. When they did, virtually every
Senator was sitting at their desks on the Senate floor.
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The House managers came in. Under the Senate rules, so
the Senate exists in three different states. One is considering
the legislative calendar, one is considering the executive calendar, which
is nominations, and the third is considering impeachment. Those are
the only three states of the Senate. Whenever articles of
impeachment arrive, there are special rules that apply to impeachment
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that automatically kick in. So we knew that the articles
of impeachment were being delivered. And so Patty Murray, who
is the President pro tem, she is the senior Democrat.
The Democrats are in the majority, so she's the President
pro tem. She was presiding. And what happened was the
House Clerk came in and said, the House managers are
here to present articles of impeachment and the Speaker pro
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Tem Patty Murray said, they shall be welcomed on the floor.
They came onto the floor and you had about a
dozen House managers. They're all House members who were selected
to present the case, to try the case.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Mark Green is the leader.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Of the House managers. Mark Green is the one who
presided over the committee that considered the impeachment. Mark Green
is from Tennessee. He's a good friend. He's a West
Point graduate, he's an Army veteran. He's a terrific guy.
And under the the Senate rules, the first step is
that he reads the articles of impeachment. The articles of
impeachment are they are printed out, They're a document that's
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actually what was voted out of the House.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And they are.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What are they nineteen pages long? So he read those
nineteen pages on the floor of the Senate. That took
probably thirty five to forty minutes. Virtually every senator sat
there listening, the press sat there listening. It was important
to walk through the facts. And one of the things
I want to do on this podcast is read through
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some of the facts that were laid out in the
articles of impeachment that Mark Green read. We all sat
there and just listened. And the Democrats had to listen
to the facts to the disaster of Biden's open border.
They had to listen to that be presented. That was
the first step. The next step is that under the
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Senate rules of impeachment, on Wednesday today, the Senate will
come in into set at one pm as a court
of impeachment. The very first thing that will happen is
we will all be sworn in as jurors. We will
sign a book that signs that we are participating as jurors. Now,
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what would ordinarily happen. So this has happened twenty two
times in our nation's history. The other twenty one times,
here's what would happen. The Senate would consider and would
adopt a resolution laying out a trial schedule. That's ordinarily
how this happens. And you lay out a schedule, Okay,
the House will present their case on xt date. They
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will have why hours. It will go this way. Then
the defense will present their case. They will have the
following hours. Here are the motions that will be in order.
It's very much like if you're in a trial court,
if you're litigating a case, you'll often have a scheduling
order at the front end. That's typically the first step.
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In this instance, we are anticipating that's not going to
happen because the Democrats, Chuck Schumer has decided he does
not want to have a trial. He desperately wants to
avoid a trial, and he doesn't want the House managers
to present any evidence. Schumer and the Democrats are terrified
of the evidence of the suffering of the people who've died,
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of the people, of the children who've been sexually assaulted,
of the women who've been sexually assaulted, of the fentanyl deaths,
and the drug overdose deaths. He doesn't want that evidence
to put before the American people. Understand, the Democrats have
no defense on this. They don't have a counter argument.
They don't have an alternative narrative on almost every other issue.
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If I'm in the Senate and I lay out an
argument for lower taxes, the Democrats will present their counter argument, No, no, no,
we need higher taxes.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Stick it to the rich, make them pay more.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
If we're discussing the issue of abortion and I talk
about the importance of protecting life, they'll step in and say, no, no, no,
we must have abortions everywhere. We love them all. Almost
every issue they have a counter argument. What is remarkable, Ben,
is they do not have a counter argument on the
open borders. They don't dispute any of the facts. Their
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entire strategy is simple, hide from the facts because they
are indefensible, and so they're counting on the corporate media
covering up the facts. They're counting on the fact that
CNN ignores the border crisis, ABC ignores the border crisis, CBSNBC,
MSNBC ignore the border crisis, and their entire strategy is
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don't talk about it, pretend it doesn't exist, and count
on the media that are shameless shills for the Democrats
to cover it up. As a result, I fully expect
tomorrow Chuck Schumer intends to file either a motion to
table or a motion to dismiss. We don't know which
one yet, but when he does so, right now, the
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expectation is that every single Democrat will vote with him.
I hope they don't, and I have been leading the fight.
We had a long press conference on Tuesday with multiple Senators,
with multiple of the House managers, trying to put heat
on the Democrats to press them to fulfill their constitutional
obligation to hold a trial. But right now, Schumer's intention
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he doesn't want a trial, he doesn't want any evidence.
He wants to make this go away because he's terrified
of the issue.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So how do they proceed so quickly to just shut
it down? I mean, you mentioned and I want people
to understand what it would normally look like you were
talking about the House would be presenting their evidence if
this went the traditional way. When you say the House
presents their evidence, who actually does that? How would that
normally look and so paint that picture real quick.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, So twenty one times the House has delivered articles
of impeachment to this country to the Senate before Tuesday,
in all twenty one of those times. In four of
them the Senate lacked jurisdiction. The very first one, William Blount,
was a Senator, and the Senate concluded right that under
the Constitution, impeachment only lies against either executive branch.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Officials or judicial branch officials.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
In other words, impeachment you can remove someone the president,
you can remove a cabinet member, you can remove a judge.
But the Senate concluded you cannot remove a member of Congress.
That it's only each body. The Senate can throw senators out,
the House can throw House members out, but impeachment's not
a mechanism that applies to members of Congress. That was
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the first impeachment. After that, there were three other instances
where the person who was impeached either died or resigned
from office, but they weren't in office, and so the
Senate concluded, Okay, they're out of office, we're done. There's
nothing to do here. So those four cases, the Senate
lacked jurisdiction. In one hundred percent of the instances where
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the individual remained in office and the Senate had jurisdiction,
what the Senate did is conducted a trial. They hurt evidence,
and the way it proceeds is the House managers present
the evidence. Actually, the Senate sit there silently. We're not
allowed to engage, unlike a hearing, unlike an argument on
the floor, we're not allowed to speak. We sit there
and listen. Both of the Trump impeachments, you'll recall, Verdict
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got started the first night of the first Trump impeachment.
That's why this podcast was born to explain what was happening.
But the way it operates in the Trump impeachments. For example,
I couldn't speak, no other senator could speak. We're jurors,
although actually we're not just jurors. We're also we decide
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the law as well, and we're entitled to take political considerations.
We're entitled to take any considerations we want. So it's
not it's not a jury in the ordinary sense. And actually,
in the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton, Tom Harkin, a
Democrat from Iowa, actually stood up and raised a point
of order and had Chief Justice William Renquist clarify that
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senators are not jurors in the purest sense of the word.
But rather they are granted by the Constitution the responsibility
and the authority to adjudicate and to consider matters of
fact and law and consider every other factor. So you know, look,
senators have connections to the people being impeached in ways
that no juror ever would. So, for example, for President's
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being impeached, all the senators know the president. Half the
senators are of the party the president half or not.
In a jury, you could never have that. You could
never have people who know the criminal defendant and have
a relationship with them. But the framers established something different
for impeachment. They established that it would be the Senate
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that adjudicates it. But the way it ordinarily plays out
is the House Managers, and that's a group of typically
about a dozen House members that are selected by the
House to present the evidence. They present the evidence, and
we listen to it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So, Senator, the next question that some of people are
going to ask is is how on earth do we
feel like we're living in these times where we have
an open border. We're witnessing cities they're saying they're going
bankrupt and they're taking away from American citizens or tax
dollars giving them to I legal immigrants. We have the
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Fetnah crisis coming across the southern border, and we clearly
have an administration that is not abiding by the laws
that are already on the book, specifically my Orcis, and
it seems by based on what you're saying, Majorcis is
probably sitting around a table laughing right now at this
because he knows he's safe.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, he knows that the Democrats are going to rubber
stamp everything he's doing, because every Democrat in the Senate
supports these open borders. Understand, this is not just Joe Biden.
This is not just Kamala Harris, this is Chuck Schumer,
this is every single Democrat, this is the entire house.
They all, every one of the Democrats supports this invasion.
And so Schumer wants to make this go away quickly.
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He wants no attention, he wants no press, he wants
none of the facts. And I will say, watching the
House present the article of impeachment, so I'm going to
read some of the articles of impeachment that were read
on the Senate floor. And the reason I'm going to
is because these facts were laid out and it was
interesting watching the Democrat senators listen to it. So, for example,
here's one portion, so that the articles of impeachment go
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through all the different statues, the statutes that may Orcus defied.
So for example, here's a quote Alejandro Mayorcus willfully refuse
to comply with the detention mandate set forth in section
two thirty five B one B two of such Act,
requiring that an alien who's placed in expedited removal proceedings
and determined to have a credible fear of persecution quote
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shall be detained for further consideration of the application for
asylum shall be detained. It's mandatory terms over and over again.
They go through all sorts of Section two thirty six
CE of the Act, which requires that a criminal alien
who is inadmissible or deportable on certain criminal and terrorism
related grounds, quote, shall be taken into custody when the
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alien is released from law enforcement. Aljandra Mayorcus issued Guidelines
for the Enforcement of civil Immigration Laws, which instructs the
Department of Homeland Security that the fact that an individual
is removable a removable non citizen should not alone be
the basis of an enforcement action against them, and that
DHS personnel should not rely on the fact of a
conviction alone that's directly violating federal law. It goes through
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instance after instance after instance of federal law federal statutes
that Majorcis has defied. Aljandro Majorcis. This is quoting more
from it. Aljandro Mayorcus willfully exceeded his release authority set
force in section two thirty six A of such Act
that permits, in certain circumstances, the release of aliens arrested
on administrative warrant, in that he released aliens arrested without
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a warrant despite being subject separate applicable mandatory detention requirements,
over and over and over again. All right, here's some
basic stats that it lays out during fiscal year twenty
seventeen through twenty twenty. In other words, the Trump administration,
an average about five hundred and ninety thousand aliens each
fiscal year were encountered as inadmissible aliens at ports of
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entry or on the Southwest border, apprehended in between.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Ports of entry.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
During Alijandro Mayorcus's tenure in office, the number of skyrocketed,
so it was five hundred ninety thousand a year first year.
It's skyrocketed to one point four million and fiscal year
twenty twenty one, and then to two point three million
in fiscal year twenty twenty two, and then to two
point four million in fiscal year twenty twenty three, those numbers.
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It goes on to talk about New York City and
it says, for instance, this is quoting for instance, twenty
twenty two, more than one hundred and fifty thousand migrants
have gone through New York City's shelter intake system. Indeed,
the Mayor of New York City has said that quote,
we are past our breaking point and that quote this
issue will destroy New York City. In fiscal year twenty
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twenty three, New York City spent one billion, four hundred
and fifty million addressing Alojandro Mayorcis's migrant crisis, and city
officials fear it will spend another twelve billion dollars over
the following three years, causing painful budget cuts to important
city services. If you look at it, goes on to say,
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for example, during a Mayorcus's tenure Secretary of Homeland Security,
the US Border Patrol has encountered an increasing number of
aliens on the terrorist watch list. In the fiscal years
twenty seventeen through twenty twenty. In other words, the Trump
administration combined eleven non citizens on the terrorist watch list
were caught attempting to cross the Southwest border. So, in
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other words, in four years, a total of eleven people
on the terror watch list crossed. That number increased to
fifteen in the fiscal year twenty twenty one, ninety eight
in fiscal year twenty twenty two, one hundred and sixty
nine in fiscal year twenty twenty three, and forty nine
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so far in fiscal year twenty twenty four. Those numbers
are staggery, and I think it was important to see
them read and presented on the Senate floor and to
watch every Senate Democrat have to listen to them.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
When you say it was interesting to see their reaction.
Was it a reaction of let's hurry up and get
through this. Was it a reaction from some that they
didn't even know this, or was it the reaction of
this is not my problem, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I mean, what did the room look like? And were
there different reactions?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So it was the latter. The Democrats were all staring ahead,
they didn't care at all. They were enduring it. They
were sitting there for appearances. You know what was the
most revealing reaction?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
John Tester? So, John Tester, everyone recognizes is almost certainly
the most vulnerable Democrat on the ballot in November. John
Tester is the senator from Montana. Montana's going to vote
for Donald Trump. He's Montana's gonna vote for Donald Trump
by double digits. John Tester gets re elected every six
years because he looks like a good old boy Montana farmer.
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He's a big old guy with a flat top haircut,
and you figure he's got to be reasonable middle of
the road.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He votes exactly like Chuck Schumer. He's hard left.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
If Tester had a different haircut, he would never have
gotten elected in Montana. But because he's got a flat
top haircut, he gets elected. Tester knows he's got a
heck of a fight. What was interesting is Tester was
on the Senate floor before the house managers arrived. As
soon as the house managers arrived, Tester disappeared. Almost every
single Democrat were sitting in their seats. Tester was gone.
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I assume he went to the cloak room. He ran away.
He's like, oh my goodness, I cannot be on the
floor to hear this.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So he was gone. His seat was empty.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
The house managers read the articles of impeachment. It takes,
as I said, thirty or forty minutes. We all sat
there listening. And then as soon as the house manager's
finished and they left, you know who was back on
the Senate floor.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That John Tester.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Wow, he I guess was sitting back in the cloakroom.
I don't know if he was on his phone playing
video games. I don't know what he was doing, but
he was not willing to sit on the Senate floor
and listen to it. And by the way, when he
goes back to Montana, he says, I care so much
about illegal immigration. We've got to secure the board. It's
a problem. And every word he's saying is not true,
because today he intends to vote to throw the damn
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thing out to say, I don't want to hear a trial.
I don't want to hear any evidence. I don't want
to know what's going on. It's not even like an
Ostrich sticking his head in the sand, at least stays
in the room. He's an Ostrich who runs his ass
out of there. And it's emblematic. Why does Chuck Schumer
want to avoid a trial because he's desperate to protect
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the Democrat senators on the ballot from the consequences from
the deaths and suffering and people who are suffering misery
because of their open border politics and policies which they
intend to continue. And Schumer, this is all about political camouflage.
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Senator, let's move forward.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
If the Democrats get this victory, and there's a very
good chance it sounds like they're going to get this victory,
which is a show trial at best and kind of
a mockery of the system, how much of an issue
is this going to be for them to come back
and bite them come election day? And I say that
because it just came out that, for example, Colorado in Denver,
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they defunded the police and they're now giving the money
which they took from police to illegal immigrant services. I
can't imagine that's going to sit well with the voters there.
For example, I just came back from New York City
a couple hours ago, and in New York City, I
was there when the protests were happening. They were protesting
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at City Hall illegal immigrants demanding better hotels like four
star hotels, and demanding more money and more food from
the New York City government. It's insane, but this is
what's happening in liberal cities right now.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Look the left, the hypocrisy is enormous. You ask how
big an issue this is going to be. I think
this is going to be the number one issue in November,
in every election in the country that Joe Biden and
every Democrat member of Congress has willfully presided over and
aided into betting in the criminal invasion of this country.
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That what is unfolded has been staggering. And understand, the
consequence is this is not some TICKI tack violation of law. Rather,
the consequences of this we are seeing thousands upon thousands
of people die. We are seeing migrants die every year,
multiple migrants a day dying We're seeing dead bodies all
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over Texas, farms and ranches occurring over and over again.
We're seeing thousands of children brutalized by human traffickers. We
are seeing thousands of women sexually assaulted by human traffickers.
We are seeing over one hundred thousand Americans dying of
drug overdoses every year. The traged is enormous, and I
think this is going to be front and center. The
Democrats are going to try to avoid accountability. I don't
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think they're going to succeed. I think this impeachment trial
is exceptionally important, and I will say today it's going
to play out one of two ways. What the Democrats
have proposed it is a scheduling order that will allow
votes on several motions. So there is an organizing resolution
that Mike Lee is presented that is modeled after the
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Trump impeachment trial that would set it up where the Senate,
the entire floor of the Senate is the trial, and
we conduct the trial on the floor.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I'm going to vote for that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I think all the Republicans are most, if not all,
the Republicans tend to vote for it, and all the
Democrats vote. Now I have a scheduling order that I
put in that instead of having the full Senate conduct
the trial, that would point a point a trial committee.
And the way the Senate is operated when it is
the impeachment of the President of the United States, it
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occurs on the floor of the Senate and the Chief
Justice of the United States presides. But for lesser impeachment, So,
for example, may Orcis is only the second cabinet member
in history to be impeached. The last cabinet member was
the Secretary of War in eighteen seventy six. But this
is exceptionally rare. The bulk of the impeachments have been judges,
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and the way it's typically worked when a judge is
impeached is that the Senate has appointed an impeachment committee
with an equal number of members of each party, and
the committee has conducted the trial. So the committee, here's evidence,
The House managers present evidence, it's public, the American people
can see it, and then the committee makes a recommendation
of the full Senate, and the Senate in turns Every
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Senator has to vote guilty or not guilty on each
of the articles. That's the way it's historically works. So
I've got an organizing resolution. I filed to do that.
I would rather it be on the floor of the Senate.
I think it's important enough it should be on the
floor of the Senate. If Republicans had a majority in
the Senate, I'm confident we would hold the trial on
the floor of the Senate. But given Democrats have control,
I think it is reason for them to say, Okay,
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we'll do this the way every other sub presidential impeachment
has been done through an impeachment committee, so that would
be the reasonable way to do it. They're going to oppose,
and so what Schumer has suggested is scheduling order to
will allow a vote on Mike Lee's resolution, a vote
on my resolution, and then a number of points of
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orders raising problems with what the Democrats are trying to
do of throw out the matter, prevent the House managers
from presenting the evidence, and prevent a trial. The Democrats
intend to vote against all of those. What the scheduling
order that's been proposed by the Democrats would give some
time for debate Right now, it's an hour and a half.
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An hour and a half is not a ton of time,
but it's better than zero. It is not clear if
that will be agreed to. Right now, there are a
couple of Republicans who are objecting. If Republicans object to
that scheduling order, then here's what will probably happen. Will
come in at one o'clock today. We will not get
a vote on Mike Lee's scheduling order. We will not
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get a vote on my scheduling order. I and several
others will rise on points of order and try to
challenge this, and what I expect is fairly quickly Chuck
Schumer to file a motion to table and try to
put this whole thing away. Now, the frustrating thing about
doing it that way is under the rules, when we
make a point of order, you're not allowed to argue,
so we won't have debate. We won't be able to
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stand up and state the reasons for our point of order.
You can get maybe twenty thirty seconds to say, I
raise a point of order that X, but you've got
a couple of sentences and that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So in my view, it's much.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Better to take a scheduling order that gives us a
period of time to lay out the argument, because the
entire purpose of this is to put the evidence before
the American people. But we may see one or more
Republicans object, in which case we won't get any debate
time at all, and this will just get rammed through
very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
There's also the fact that I think a lot of
people believe, and I think you would agree with this,
that there has been zero accountability for Secretary my archists
just flat out lying to Congress. Uh, this is something
that he said, and I want to get your take.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I've adhered to the oath.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
To which I have sworn, and I have abided by
the law each and every step of the way.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's not true, is it. That's a lie.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
It's an absolute lie.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And actually there's a whole provision of these articles of
impeachment that lay out how may Orcus has repeatedly lied
to Congress. Now, now it's interesting. One of the things
that the articles of impeachment also lay out is that, Okay,
so the Democrats are going to take the position, this
is a policy difference, that that that Okay, the Biden
administration just they won't quite say it, but believes in
(29:49):
open borders. So they're going to let people go. But
it's not impeachable, it's it's it's it's not an offense.
What is interesting is that was not the position of
the Biden Justice Department. So you had litigation in front
of the court where Texas sued the Biden administration trying
to get the court to say, the Biden administration is
(30:10):
refusing to refusing to follow immigration law. And I'm going
to read from the articles of impeachment the dissenting justice
in that case noted quote. The court holds that Texas
lacks standing to challenge a federal policy that inflicts substantial
harm on the state and its residents by releasing illegal
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aliens with criminal convictions for serious crimes. In order to
reach that conclusion, the court holds that the only limit
on the power of the president to disobey a law
like the important provisions at issue is Congress's power to
employ the weapons of inner branch warfare. As the descending
justice explained, quote, Congress may wield what the Solicitor General
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described as political tools, which presumably mean such things as
impeachment and removal. Indeed, during oral arguments, the justice who
authored the majority opinion stated to the Solicitor General, quote,
I think your position is instead of judicial review, Congress
has to resort to shutting down the government or impeachment
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or dramatic steps. That is what the Biden Justice Department argued,
is that impeachment is the remedy when a president a
cabinet member refuses to follow the law, defies the law.
The Biden Justice Department argued that in front of the
US Supreme Court. And yet you know what today, the
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Democrats are going to say, no, impeachment's not the remedy.
If you have an executive who defies the law, it
doesn't matter. We're going to rubber stamp it and we're
not even going to hold a trial. And by the way,
every Democrat will tell the reporters there was no evidence
of a high crime and misdemeanor. Now, of course they'll
say there was no evidence because they're about to vote
to block all the evidence, so they don't hear any evidence.
(31:57):
So then they can say we didn't hear any evidence.
And the reason they didn't hear any evidence is because
they're going to refuse to hear any evidence. And why
are they going to refuse to hear any evidence, Because
they don't want the American people to hear the evidence.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And part of what they don't want them to hear
is the reality of what it's like out there on
the streets. Bill Malusian did some great reporting yesterday on
Fox News Channel about Elite Ice unit is tracking down
migrant criminals, specifically child rapists. This is while Mayorkas stared
at Congress and said the border is secure, the border
is secure. He said that to Congress, he was lying,
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take a list of this from Fox.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
A short time later, I took down their final target,
a Brazilian gang member also charged with child rape. Just
this morning today, four accused child rapists and one MS
thirteen gang member. Those are the kind of people you're
going after.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
That's every day up here in Boston.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
If those are the public safety threats that we really
want to get off the street, it was a great
day for the teams.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's five public safe threats that are on in the community,
going go ahead and victimize anyone else.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
And I says, all of those arrests you just saw
happen because local authorities ignored their detainer request to keep
these guys in custody due to sanctuary policies. I says,
all of those suspects will remain in federal custody until
their local charges are resolved, then ICE.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Will seek to deport every single one of them.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Four alleged child rapists arrested in the morning, and they
said they're doing this every day, and local law enforcement
is not working with them because local municipalities have said
we're sanctuary cities. So these child rapists that are that
should have been held by local authorities or not. And
yet this administration says, no, no, no, We're following the law.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Every single week, the Biden administration is releasing thousands upon
thousands of illegal aliens, that includes murders, that includes rapists,
that includes child molesters. Every single week, we are seeing
another horrific crime committed by an illegal alien released by
Joe Biden and the Democrats, week after week after week.
Whether it was Laken Riley and Georgia and the horrific
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murder that occurred from an illegal alien that Joe Biden
the Democrats released, whether it was Jeremy Cassaris, a beautiful
two year old boy in Prince George's County, Maryland, just
a few miles from where I am right now in
d C. Murdered by an eelgalalien that Joe Biden released,
or whether it was a fifteen year old girl in Boston, Massachusetts,
(34:25):
severely disabled, who was raped by an illegal alien that
not only did Biden released, he flew from Haiti to America.
So we've covered on this podcast how three hundred and
twenty thousand illegal immigrants were flown into America by the
Biden administration. He literally imported in a child rapist who's
(34:47):
now been arrested for raping the severely disabled fifteen year
old teenager. This is happening week after week after week.
This is why the Democrats don't argue on the other side.
What's the counter argument of, no, it's good a two
year old boy is murdered, No, it's good that we
have teenage girls being raped. That there is no counter argument.
So their counter argument is see no evil. Their counter
(35:12):
argument is John Tester running from the Senate floor and
hiding in the cloak room because he doesn't want to
listen to what's happening. Why because he intends to vote
today to say no trial, no evidence. I don't want
to know. I do not care about the people dying.
I'm a Democrat. I want Democrats to be in power.
Ten point four million illegal immigrants meets more Democrat voters.
(35:35):
So if people have to die for me to stay
in power as a Democrat, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I got to say, Look, it.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Is difficult for me not to get really angry about
this because as a Texan, I see I've looked in
the eyes when you get down to the border, as
I have over and over again, and you look in
the eyes of these little children have been brutalized. It
makes you angry that these people. Tomorrow, more children will
be brutalized, Tomorrow, more women will be raped. And not
a one of these democrats cares. Not a one of
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them will do anything to change and they'll tell you
I care, but if you cared, you.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Would change it. And not a one of them is
willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, it's very true.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
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now in Israel Center. I want to play something else,
and there's two things I actually want to play. I
want to go back in time and this is my
orcus in front of the White House. And then I'm
going to compare it to what Schumer said last week.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Do you believe that right now this is a crisis
at the border. I think that the answer is no.
I think there is a challenge at the border that
we are managing, and we have our resources dedicated to
managing it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That was Mark's first twenty twenty one secretary of my
ork Is insisting there's no crisis of the border, despite
that millions of illegal immigrants coming across and literally thousands
of illegal crossings per day. Then you go to last week,
Chuck Schumer making it clear this is a policy now
of the Democratic Party to have an open border collage.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Say you're going to.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Offer a motion to dismiss the impeachment charges on Thursday.
Are you at all concerned that if some Democrats and
tough Races both for that, you can come back.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
To follow on Campaigndro.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Look, we're going to try and resolve this issue as
quickly as possible. Impeachment should never be used to settle
policy disagreements. Leadership never be used to settle policy disagreements.
This is the policy of the Democratic Party. And my
archists lied to your face in March of twenty twenty
one saying that there's no crisis the border, and in
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their mind from a policy viewpoint center, I think it's
abundantly clear. Now they're on the record saying a wide
open southern border and millions of illegals coming across is
not a is not a crisis, it's just a policy disagreement.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
And it's the policy they support. And Schumer repeated those
those two lines at the press conference about four more
times that said, we're going to try to get rid
of us as quickly as possible, and impeachment should never
be used policy dispute. What's interesting he didn't have a
third line. He was reading those talking points. He was
being very precise. He's not defending, he's not saying, hey,
this is a good policy. I agree with the policy
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the Biden administration. I think it's great we have an
open border. I think it's terrific that we're releasing murderers.
I think it's terrific that we're releasing rapists. I think
it's terrific we're releasing child molesters, we're releasing drunk drivers.
I think it's terrific that one hundred thousand people have
died of drug overdose every year and we keep allowing
more and more. I think it's terrific that in twenty eighteen,
the Mexican drug cartels made five hundred million dollars from
(40:31):
human trafficking. In twenty twenty two, they made thirteen billion dollars.
I think it's fabulous that we, the Democrats, have produced
a two six hundred percent increase in the revenue for
the Mexican drug cartels. The biggest friends the human traffickers
have ever had in the history of humanity have been
Joe Biden and Alejandro Majorcis. That is the simple reality,
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and none of that does Chuck Schumer say. Instead says, hey,
this is it's just a policy dispute.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
They the other side believes in securing the border, and
we want this country invaded.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It is the policy of the Democratic Party. And it's sad,
but we're witnessing the demise of this country, our borders
and our laws at the hands of these people, and
it is their America will come back. Though America will
come back. We are not witnessing the demise. We are
witnessing the attempted demise. And I believe in this country.
I think we will come back. I think millions of
Americans are looking this and saying, holy crap, this is horrific,
(41:31):
This is inhuman, this is wrong. That's why this trial
is so important is there are a lot of people that
still don't know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
They don't understand.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
If you watch CNN every day, God help you, but
you have no idea because the media or propagandists. That's
why this trial is important. But I think people's eyes
are opening up.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
I hope you're right, and it's going to be very
important come November. Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That's exactly why we do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday,
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Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It is verdict with center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
It was a very very lively day in the Senate
and it deals with the Majorcus impeachment. Get everybody up
to speed on what we're going to be seeing over
the next day.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, this week is an historic week in the United
States Senate. Yesterday, on Tuesday, the House of Representatives delivered
articles of impeachment for Alejandro Majorcas to the Senate. This
is only the twenty second time in our nation's history
that articles of impeachment have been delivered to the Senate. Today,
on Wednesday, the Senate will commence the hearing at one
(00:39):
pm to day. Under the Senate rules, we will convene,
we will be sworn in as jurors in the trial.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I expect a battle.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I expect some fireworks, and sadly, I expect the Democrats
to try to utterly dodge the issue and throw it
out and refuse to hold a trial. But today is
going to be a big battle, because this is going
to be all about the Democrats being willing to throw
the Constitution in the trash in order to avoid any
national attention on the disaster that is playing out on
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our southern border and in order to avoid any accountability
for their responsibility for the lives that are being lost
because of Joe Biden and the Democrats' open borders.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
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from the Democrats. They made it very queer. Chuck Schumer said, Hey,
we think we can get done with this thing and
maybe a day.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Is that a possibility now, yes?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, sadly yes, and in fact, I would say it's
likely right now. So let me describe what happened yesterday
on Tuesday and what's likely happened today. So yesterday, on Tuesday,
at about two point thirty in the afternoon, the House
Managers arrived at the Senate. When they did, virtually every
Senator was sitting at their desks on the Senate floor.
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The House managers came in. Under the Senate rules, so
the Senate exists in three different states. One is considering
the legislative calendar, one is considering the executive calendar, which
is nominations, and the third is considering impeachment. Those are
the only three states of the Senate. Whenever articles of
impeachment arrive, there are special rules that apply to impeachment
(04:06):
that automatically kick in. So we knew that the articles
of impeachment were being delivered. And so Patty Murray, who
is the President pro tem, she is the senior Democrat.
The Democrats are in the majority, so she's the President
pro tem. She was presiding. And what happened was the
House Clerk came in and said, the House managers are
here to present articles of impeachment and the Speaker pro
(04:30):
Tem Patty Murray said, they shall be welcomed on the floor.
They came onto the floor and you had about a
dozen House managers. They're all House members who were selected
to present the case, to try the case.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Mark Green is the leader.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Of the House managers. Mark Green is the one who
presided over the committee that considered the impeachment. Mark Green
is from Tennessee. He's a good friend. He's a West
Point graduate, he's an Army veteran. He's a terrific guy.
And under the the Senate rules, the first step is
that he reads the articles of impeachment. The articles of
impeachment are they are printed out, They're a document that's
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actually what was voted out of the House.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And they are.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What are they nineteen pages long? So he read those
nineteen pages on the floor of the Senate. That took
probably thirty five to forty minutes. Virtually every senator sat
there listening, the press sat there listening. It was important
to walk through the facts. And one of the things
I want to do on this podcast is read through
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some of the facts that were laid out in the
articles of impeachment that Mark Green read. We all sat
there and just listened. And the Democrats had to listen
to the facts to the disaster of Biden's open border.
They had to listen to that be presented. That was
the first step. The next step is that under the
(05:54):
Senate rules of impeachment, on Wednesday today, the Senate will
come in into set at one pm as a court
of impeachment. The very first thing that will happen is
we will all be sworn in as jurors. We will
sign a book that signs that we are participating as jurors. Now,
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what would ordinarily happen. So this has happened twenty two
times in our nation's history. The other twenty one times,
here's what would happen. The Senate would consider and would
adopt a resolution laying out a trial schedule. That's ordinarily
how this happens. And you lay out a schedule, Okay,
the House will present their case on xt date. They
(06:35):
will have why hours. It will go this way. Then
the defense will present their case. They will have the
following hours. Here are the motions that will be in order.
It's very much like if you're in a trial court,
if you're litigating a case, you'll often have a scheduling
order at the front end. That's typically the first step.
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In this instance, we are anticipating that's not going to
happen because the Democrats, Chuck Schumer has decided he does
not want to have a trial. He desperately wants to
avoid a trial, and he doesn't want the House managers
to present any evidence. Schumer and the Democrats are terrified
of the evidence of the suffering of the people who've died,
(07:18):
of the people, of the children who've been sexually assaulted,
of the women who've been sexually assaulted, of the fentanyl deaths,
and the drug overdose deaths. He doesn't want that evidence
to put before the American people. Understand, the Democrats have
no defense on this. They don't have a counter argument.
They don't have an alternative narrative on almost every other issue.
(07:40):
If I'm in the Senate and I lay out an
argument for lower taxes, the Democrats will present their counter argument, No, no, no,
we need higher taxes.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Stick it to the rich, make them pay more.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
If we're discussing the issue of abortion and I talk
about the importance of protecting life, they'll step in and say, no, no, no,
we must have abortions everywhere. We love them all. Almost
every issue they have a counter argument. What is remarkable, Ben,
is they do not have a counter argument on the
open borders. They don't dispute any of the facts. Their
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entire strategy is simple, hide from the facts because they
are indefensible, and so they're counting on the corporate media
covering up the facts. They're counting on the fact that
CNN ignores the border crisis, ABC ignores the border crisis, CBSNBC,
MSNBC ignore the border crisis, and their entire strategy is
(08:33):
don't talk about it, pretend it doesn't exist, and count
on the media that are shameless shills for the Democrats
to cover it up. As a result, I fully expect
tomorrow Chuck Schumer intends to file either a motion to
table or a motion to dismiss. We don't know which
one yet, but when he does so, right now, the
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expectation is that every single Democrat will vote with him.
I hope they don't, and I have been leading the fight.
We had a long press conference on Tuesday with multiple Senators,
with multiple of the House managers, trying to put heat
on the Democrats to press them to fulfill their constitutional
obligation to hold a trial. But right now, Schumer's intention
(09:16):
he doesn't want a trial, he doesn't want any evidence.
He wants to make this go away because he's terrified
of the issue.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So how do they proceed so quickly to just shut
it down? I mean, you mentioned and I want people
to understand what it would normally look like you were
talking about the House would be presenting their evidence if
this went the traditional way. When you say the House
presents their evidence, who actually does that? How would that
normally look and so paint that picture real quick.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, So twenty one times the House has delivered articles
of impeachment to this country to the Senate before Tuesday,
in all twenty one of those times. In four of
them the Senate lacked jurisdiction. The very first one, William Blount,
was a Senator, and the Senate concluded right that under
the Constitution, impeachment only lies against either executive branch.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Officials or judicial branch officials.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
In other words, impeachment you can remove someone the president,
you can remove a cabinet member, you can remove a judge.
But the Senate concluded you cannot remove a member of Congress.
That it's only each body. The Senate can throw senators out,
the House can throw House members out, but impeachment's not
a mechanism that applies to members of Congress. That was
(10:27):
the first impeachment. After that, there were three other instances
where the person who was impeached either died or resigned
from office, but they weren't in office, and so the
Senate concluded, Okay, they're out of office, we're done. There's
nothing to do here. So those four cases, the Senate
lacked jurisdiction. In one hundred percent of the instances where
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the individual remained in office and the Senate had jurisdiction,
what the Senate did is conducted a trial. They hurt evidence,
and the way it proceeds is the House managers present
the evidence. Actually, the Senate sit there silently. We're not
allowed to engage, unlike a hearing, unlike an argument on
the floor, we're not allowed to speak. We sit there
and listen. Both of the Trump impeachments, you'll recall, Verdict
(11:11):
got started the first night of the first Trump impeachment.
That's why this podcast was born to explain what was happening.
But the way it operates in the Trump impeachments. For example,
I couldn't speak, no other senator could speak. We're jurors,
although actually we're not just jurors. We're also we decide
(11:32):
the law as well, and we're entitled to take political considerations.
We're entitled to take any considerations we want. So it's
not it's not a jury in the ordinary sense. And actually,
in the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton, Tom Harkin, a
Democrat from Iowa, actually stood up and raised a point
of order and had Chief Justice William Renquist clarify that
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senators are not jurors in the purest sense of the word.
But rather they are granted by the Constitution the responsibility
and the authority to adjudicate and to consider matters of
fact and law and consider every other factor. So you know, look,
senators have connections to the people being impeached in ways
that no juror ever would. So, for example, for President's
(12:15):
being impeached, all the senators know the president. Half the
senators are of the party the president half or not.
In a jury, you could never have that. You could
never have people who know the criminal defendant and have
a relationship with them. But the framers established something different
for impeachment. They established that it would be the Senate
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that adjudicates it. But the way it ordinarily plays out
is the House Managers, and that's a group of typically
about a dozen House members that are selected by the
House to present the evidence. They present the evidence, and
we listen to it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So, Senator, the next question that some of people are
going to ask is is how on earth do we
feel like we're living in these times where we have
an open border. We're witnessing cities they're saying they're going
bankrupt and they're taking away from American citizens or tax
dollars giving them to I legal immigrants. We have the
(13:11):
Fetnah crisis coming across the southern border, and we clearly
have an administration that is not abiding by the laws
that are already on the book, specifically my Orcis, and
it seems by based on what you're saying, Majorcis is
probably sitting around a table laughing right now at this
because he knows he's safe.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, he knows that the Democrats are going to rubber
stamp everything he's doing, because every Democrat in the Senate
supports these open borders. Understand, this is not just Joe Biden.
This is not just Kamala Harris, this is Chuck Schumer,
this is every single Democrat, this is the entire house.
They all, every one of the Democrats supports this invasion.
And so Schumer wants to make this go away quickly.
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He wants no attention, he wants no press, he wants
none of the facts. And I will say, watching the
House present the article of impeachment, so I'm going to
read some of the articles of impeachment that were read
on the Senate floor. And the reason I'm going to
is because these facts were laid out and it was
interesting watching the Democrat senators listen to it. So, for example,
here's one portion, so that the articles of impeachment go
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through all the different statues, the statutes that may Orcus defied.
So for example, here's a quote Alejandro Mayorcus willfully refuse
to comply with the detention mandate set forth in section
two thirty five B one B two of such Act,
requiring that an alien who's placed in expedited removal proceedings
and determined to have a credible fear of persecution quote
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shall be detained for further consideration of the application for
asylum shall be detained. It's mandatory terms over and over again.
They go through all sorts of Section two thirty six
CE of the Act, which requires that a criminal alien
who is inadmissible or deportable on certain criminal and terrorism
related grounds, quote, shall be taken into custody when the
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alien is released from law enforcement. Aljandra Mayorcus issued Guidelines
for the Enforcement of civil Immigration Laws, which instructs the
Department of Homeland Security that the fact that an individual
is removable a removable non citizen should not alone be
the basis of an enforcement action against them, and that
DHS personnel should not rely on the fact of a
conviction alone that's directly violating federal law. It goes through
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instance after instance after instance of federal law federal statutes
that Majorcis has defied. Aljandro Majorcis. This is quoting more
from it. Aljandro Mayorcus willfully exceeded his release authority set
force in section two thirty six A of such Act
that permits, in certain circumstances, the release of aliens arrested
on administrative warrant, in that he released aliens arrested without
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a warrant despite being subject separate applicable mandatory detention requirements,
over and over and over again. All right, here's some
basic stats that it lays out during fiscal year twenty
seventeen through twenty twenty. In other words, the Trump administration,
an average about five hundred and ninety thousand aliens each
fiscal year were encountered as inadmissible aliens at ports of
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entry or on the Southwest border, apprehended in between.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Ports of entry.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
During Alijandro Mayorcus's tenure in office, the number of skyrocketed,
so it was five hundred ninety thousand a year first year.
It's skyrocketed to one point four million and fiscal year
twenty twenty one, and then to two point three million
in fiscal year twenty twenty two, and then to two
point four million in fiscal year twenty twenty three, those numbers.
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It goes on to talk about New York City and
it says, for instance, this is quoting for instance, twenty
twenty two, more than one hundred and fifty thousand migrants
have gone through New York City's shelter intake system. Indeed,
the Mayor of New York City has said that quote,
we are past our breaking point and that quote this
issue will destroy New York City. In fiscal year twenty
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twenty three, New York City spent one billion, four hundred
and fifty million addressing Alojandro Mayorcis's migrant crisis, and city
officials fear it will spend another twelve billion dollars over
the following three years, causing painful budget cuts to important
city services. If you look at it, goes on to say,
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for example, during a Mayorcus's tenure Secretary of Homeland Security,
the US Border Patrol has encountered an increasing number of
aliens on the terrorist watch list. In the fiscal years
twenty seventeen through twenty twenty. In other words, the Trump
administration combined eleven non citizens on the terrorist watch list
were caught attempting to cross the Southwest border. So, in
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other words, in four years, a total of eleven people
on the terror watch list crossed. That number increased to
fifteen in the fiscal year twenty twenty one, ninety eight
in fiscal year twenty twenty two, one hundred and sixty
nine in fiscal year twenty twenty three, and forty nine
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so far in fiscal year twenty twenty four. Those numbers
are staggery, and I think it was important to see
them read and presented on the Senate floor and to
watch every Senate Democrat have to listen to them.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
When you say it was interesting to see their reaction.
Was it a reaction of let's hurry up and get
through this. Was it a reaction from some that they
didn't even know this, or was it the reaction of
this is not my problem, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I mean, what did the room look like? And were
there different reactions?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So it was the latter. The Democrats were all staring ahead,
they didn't care at all. They were enduring it. They
were sitting there for appearances. You know what was the
most revealing reaction?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
John Tester? So, John Tester, everyone recognizes is almost certainly
the most vulnerable Democrat on the ballot in November. John
Tester is the senator from Montana. Montana's going to vote
for Donald Trump. He's Montana's gonna vote for Donald Trump
by double digits. John Tester gets re elected every six
years because he looks like a good old boy Montana farmer.
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He's a big old guy with a flat top haircut,
and you figure he's got to be reasonable middle of
the road.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He votes exactly like Chuck Schumer. He's hard left.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
If Tester had a different haircut, he would never have
gotten elected in Montana. But because he's got a flat
top haircut, he gets elected. Tester knows he's got a
heck of a fight. What was interesting is Tester was
on the Senate floor before the house managers arrived. As
soon as the house managers arrived, Tester disappeared. Almost every
single Democrat were sitting in their seats. Tester was gone.
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I assume he went to the cloak room. He ran away.
He's like, oh my goodness, I cannot be on the
floor to hear this.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So he was gone. His seat was empty.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
The house managers read the articles of impeachment. It takes,
as I said, thirty or forty minutes. We all sat
there listening. And then as soon as the house manager's
finished and they left, you know who was back on
the Senate floor.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
That John Tester.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Wow, he I guess was sitting back in the cloakroom.
I don't know if he was on his phone playing
video games. I don't know what he was doing, but
he was not willing to sit on the Senate floor
and listen to it. And by the way, when he
goes back to Montana, he says, I care so much
about illegal immigration. We've got to secure the board. It's
a problem. And every word he's saying is not true,
because today he intends to vote to throw the damn
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thing out to say, I don't want to hear a trial.
I don't want to hear any evidence. I don't want
to know what's going on. It's not even like an
Ostrich sticking his head in the sand, at least stays
in the room. He's an Ostrich who runs his ass
out of there. And it's emblematic. Why does Chuck Schumer
want to avoid a trial because he's desperate to protect
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the Democrat senators on the ballot from the consequences from
the deaths and suffering and people who are suffering misery
because of their open border politics and policies which they
intend to continue. And Schumer, this is all about political camouflage.
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Speaker 1 (22:58):
Senator, let's move forward.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
If the Democrats get this victory, and there's a very
good chance it sounds like they're going to get this victory,
which is a show trial at best and kind of
a mockery of the system, how much of an issue
is this going to be for them to come back
and bite them come election day? And I say that
because it just came out that, for example, Colorado in Denver,
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they defunded the police and they're now giving the money
which they took from police to illegal immigrant services. I
can't imagine that's going to sit well with the voters there.
For example, I just came back from New York City
a couple hours ago, and in New York City, I
was there when the protests were happening. They were protesting
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at City Hall illegal immigrants demanding better hotels like four
star hotels, and demanding more money and more food from
the New York City government. It's insane, but this is
what's happening in liberal cities right now.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Look the left, the hypocrisy is enormous. You ask how
big an issue this is going to be. I think
this is going to be the number one issue in November,
in every election in the country that Joe Biden and
every Democrat member of Congress has willfully presided over and
aided into betting in the criminal invasion of this country.
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That what is unfolded has been staggering. And understand, the
consequence is this is not some TICKI tack violation of law. Rather,
the consequences of this we are seeing thousands upon thousands
of people die. We are seeing migrants die every year,
multiple migrants a day dying We're seeing dead bodies all
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over Texas, farms and ranches occurring over and over again.
We're seeing thousands of children brutalized by human traffickers. We
are seeing thousands of women sexually assaulted by human traffickers.
We are seeing over one hundred thousand Americans dying of
drug overdoses every year. The traged is enormous, and I
think this is going to be front and center. The
Democrats are going to try to avoid accountability. I don't
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think they're going to succeed. I think this impeachment trial
is exceptionally important, and I will say today it's going
to play out one of two ways. What the Democrats
have proposed it is a scheduling order that will allow
votes on several motions. So there is an organizing resolution
that Mike Lee is presented that is modeled after the
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Trump impeachment trial that would set it up where the Senate,
the entire floor of the Senate is the trial, and
we conduct the trial on the floor.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I'm going to vote for that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I think all the Republicans are most, if not all,
the Republicans tend to vote for it, and all the
Democrats vote. Now I have a scheduling order that I
put in that instead of having the full Senate conduct
the trial, that would point a point a trial committee.
And the way the Senate is operated when it is
the impeachment of the President of the United States, it
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occurs on the floor of the Senate and the Chief
Justice of the United States presides. But for lesser impeachment, So,
for example, may Orcis is only the second cabinet member
in history to be impeached. The last cabinet member was
the Secretary of War in eighteen seventy six. But this
is exceptionally rare. The bulk of the impeachments have been judges,
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and the way it's typically worked when a judge is
impeached is that the Senate has appointed an impeachment committee
with an equal number of members of each party, and
the committee has conducted the trial. So the committee, here's evidence,
The House managers present evidence, it's public, the American people
can see it, and then the committee makes a recommendation
of the full Senate, and the Senate in turns Every
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Senator has to vote guilty or not guilty on each
of the articles. That's the way it's historically works. So
I've got an organizing resolution. I filed to do that.
I would rather it be on the floor of the Senate.
I think it's important enough it should be on the
floor of the Senate. If Republicans had a majority in
the Senate, I'm confident we would hold the trial on
the floor of the Senate. But given Democrats have control,
I think it is reason for them to say, Okay,
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we'll do this the way every other sub presidential impeachment
has been done through an impeachment committee, so that would
be the reasonable way to do it. They're going to oppose,
and so what Schumer has suggested is scheduling order to
will allow a vote on Mike Lee's resolution, a vote
on my resolution, and then a number of points of
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orders raising problems with what the Democrats are trying to
do of throw out the matter, prevent the House managers
from presenting the evidence, and prevent a trial. The Democrats
intend to vote against all of those. What the scheduling
order that's been proposed by the Democrats would give some
time for debate Right now, it's an hour and a half.
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An hour and a half is not a ton of time,
but it's better than zero. It is not clear if
that will be agreed to. Right now, there are a
couple of Republicans who are objecting. If Republicans object to
that scheduling order, then here's what will probably happen. Will
come in at one o'clock today. We will not get
a vote on Mike Lee's scheduling order. We will not
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get a vote on my scheduling order. I and several
others will rise on points of order and try to
challenge this, and what I expect is fairly quickly Chuck
Schumer to file a motion to table and try to
put this whole thing away. Now, the frustrating thing about
doing it that way is under the rules, when we
make a point of order, you're not allowed to argue,
so we won't have debate. We won't be able to
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stand up and state the reasons for our point of order.
You can get maybe twenty thirty seconds to say, I
raise a point of order that X, but you've got
a couple of sentences and that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So in my view, it's much.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Better to take a scheduling order that gives us a
period of time to lay out the argument, because the
entire purpose of this is to put the evidence before
the American people. But we may see one or more
Republicans object, in which case we won't get any debate
time at all, and this will just get rammed through
very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
There's also the fact that I think a lot of
people believe, and I think you would agree with this,
that there has been zero accountability for Secretary my archists
just flat out lying to Congress. Uh, this is something
that he said, and I want to get your take.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I've adhered to the oath.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
To which I have sworn, and I have abided by
the law each and every step of the way.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's not true, is it. That's a lie.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
It's an absolute lie.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And actually there's a whole provision of these articles of
impeachment that lay out how may Orcus has repeatedly lied
to Congress. Now, now it's interesting. One of the things
that the articles of impeachment also lay out is that, Okay,
so the Democrats are going to take the position, this
is a policy difference, that that that Okay, the Biden
administration just they won't quite say it, but believes in
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open borders. So they're going to let people go. But
it's not impeachable, it's it's it's it's not an offense.
What is interesting is that was not the position of
the Biden Justice Department. So you had litigation in front
of the court where Texas sued the Biden administration trying
to get the court to say, the Biden administration is
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refusing to refusing to follow immigration law. And I'm going
to read from the articles of impeachment the dissenting justice
in that case noted quote. The court holds that Texas
lacks standing to challenge a federal policy that inflicts substantial
harm on the state and its residents by releasing illegal
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aliens with criminal convictions for serious crimes. In order to
reach that conclusion, the court holds that the only limit
on the power of the president to disobey a law
like the important provisions at issue is Congress's power to
employ the weapons of inner branch warfare. As the descending
justice explained, quote, Congress may wield what the Solicitor General
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described as political tools, which presumably mean such things as
impeachment and removal. Indeed, during oral arguments, the justice who
authored the majority opinion stated to the Solicitor General, quote,
I think your position is instead of judicial review, Congress
has to resort to shutting down the government or impeachment
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or dramatic steps. That is what the Biden Justice Department argued,
is that impeachment is the remedy when a president a
cabinet member refuses to follow the law, defies the law.
The Biden Justice Department argued that in front of the
US Supreme Court. And yet you know what today, the
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Democrats are going to say, no, impeachment's not the remedy.
If you have an executive who defies the law, it
doesn't matter. We're going to rubber stamp it and we're
not even going to hold a trial. And by the way,
every Democrat will tell the reporters there was no evidence
of a high crime and misdemeanor. Now, of course they'll
say there was no evidence because they're about to vote
to block all the evidence, so they don't hear any evidence.
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So then they can say we didn't hear any evidence.
And the reason they didn't hear any evidence is because
they're going to refuse to hear any evidence. And why
are they going to refuse to hear any evidence, Because
they don't want the American people to hear the evidence.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And part of what they don't want them to hear
is the reality of what it's like out there on
the streets. Bill Malusian did some great reporting yesterday on
Fox News Channel about Elite Ice unit is tracking down
migrant criminals, specifically child rapists. This is while Mayorkas stared
at Congress and said the border is secure, the border
is secure. He said that to Congress, he was lying,
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take a list of this from Fox.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
A short time later, I took down their final target,
a Brazilian gang member also charged with child rape. Just
this morning today, four accused child rapists and one MS
thirteen gang member. Those are the kind of people you're
going after.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
That's every day up here in Boston.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
If those are the public safety threats that we really
want to get off the street, it was a great
day for the teams.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's five public safe threats that are on in the community,
going go ahead and victimize anyone else.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
And I says, all of those arrests you just saw
happen because local authorities ignored their detainer request to keep
these guys in custody due to sanctuary policies. I says,
all of those suspects will remain in federal custody until
their local charges are resolved, then ICE.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Will seek to deport every single one of them.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Four alleged child rapists arrested in the morning, and they
said they're doing this every day, and local law enforcement
is not working with them because local municipalities have said
we're sanctuary cities. So these child rapists that are that
should have been held by local authorities or not. And
yet this administration says, no, no, no, We're following the law.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Every single week, the Biden administration is releasing thousands upon
thousands of illegal aliens, that includes murders, that includes rapists,
that includes child molesters. Every single week, we are seeing
another horrific crime committed by an illegal alien released by
Joe Biden and the Democrats, week after week after week.
Whether it was Laken Riley and Georgia and the horrific
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murder that occurred from an illegal alien that Joe Biden
the Democrats released, whether it was Jeremy Cassaris, a beautiful
two year old boy in Prince George's County, Maryland, just
a few miles from where I am right now in
d C. Murdered by an eelgalalien that Joe Biden released,
or whether it was a fifteen year old girl in Boston, Massachusetts,
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severely disabled, who was raped by an illegal alien that
not only did Biden released, he flew from Haiti to America.
So we've covered on this podcast how three hundred and
twenty thousand illegal immigrants were flown into America by the
Biden administration. He literally imported in a child rapist who's
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now been arrested for raping the severely disabled fifteen year
old teenager. This is happening week after week after week.
This is why the Democrats don't argue on the other side.
What's the counter argument of, no, it's good a two
year old boy is murdered, No, it's good that we
have teenage girls being raped. That there is no counter argument.
So their counter argument is see no evil. Their counter
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argument is John Tester running from the Senate floor and
hiding in the cloak room because he doesn't want to
listen to what's happening. Why because he intends to vote
today to say no trial, no evidence. I don't want
to know. I do not care about the people dying.
I'm a Democrat. I want Democrats to be in power.
Ten point four million illegal immigrants meets more Democrat voters.
(35:35):
So if people have to die for me to stay
in power as a Democrat, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I got to say, Look, it.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Is difficult for me not to get really angry about
this because as a Texan, I see I've looked in
the eyes when you get down to the border, as
I have over and over again, and you look in
the eyes of these little children have been brutalized. It
makes you angry that these people. Tomorrow, more children will
be brutalized, Tomorrow, more women will be raped. And not
a one of these democrats cares. Not a one of
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them will do anything to change and they'll tell you
I care, but if you cared, you.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Would change it. And not a one of them is
willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, it's very true.
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and there's two things I actually want to play. I
want to go back in time and this is my
orcus in front of the White House. And then I'm
going to compare it to what Schumer said last week.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Do you believe that right now this is a crisis
at the border. I think that the answer is no.
I think there is a challenge at the border that
we are managing, and we have our resources dedicated to
managing it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That was Mark's first twenty twenty one secretary of my
ork Is insisting there's no crisis of the border, despite
that millions of illegal immigrants coming across and literally thousands
of illegal crossings per day. Then you go to last week,
Chuck Schumer making it clear this is a policy now
of the Democratic Party to have an open border collage.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Say you're going to.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Offer a motion to dismiss the impeachment charges on Thursday.
Are you at all concerned that if some Democrats and
tough Races both for that, you can come back.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
To follow on Campaigndro.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Look, we're going to try and resolve this issue as
quickly as possible. Impeachment should never be used to settle
policy disagreements. Leadership never be used to settle policy disagreements.
This is the policy of the Democratic Party. And my
archists lied to your face in March of twenty twenty
one saying that there's no crisis the border, and in
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their mind from a policy viewpoint center, I think it's
abundantly clear. Now they're on the record saying a wide
open southern border and millions of illegals coming across is
not a is not a crisis, it's just a policy disagreement.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
And it's the policy they support. And Schumer repeated those
those two lines at the press conference about four more
times that said, we're going to try to get rid
of us as quickly as possible, and impeachment should never
be used policy dispute. What's interesting he didn't have a
third line. He was reading those talking points. He was
being very precise. He's not defending, he's not saying, hey,
this is a good policy. I agree with the policy
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the Biden administration. I think it's great we have an
open border. I think it's terrific that we're releasing murderers.
I think it's terrific that we're releasing rapists. I think
it's terrific we're releasing child molesters, we're releasing drunk drivers.
I think it's terrific that one hundred thousand people have
died of drug overdose every year and we keep allowing
more and more. I think it's terrific that in twenty eighteen,
the Mexican drug cartels made five hundred million dollars from
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human trafficking. In twenty twenty two, they made thirteen billion dollars.
I think it's fabulous that we, the Democrats, have produced
a two six hundred percent increase in the revenue for
the Mexican drug cartels. The biggest friends the human traffickers
have ever had in the history of humanity have been
Joe Biden and Alejandro Majorcis. That is the simple reality,
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and none of that does Chuck Schumer say. Instead says, hey,
this is it's just a policy dispute.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
They the other side believes in securing the border, and
we want this country invaded.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It is the policy of the Democratic Party. And it's sad,
but we're witnessing the demise of this country, our borders
and our laws at the hands of these people, and
it is their America will come back. Though America will
come back. We are not witnessing the demise. We are
witnessing the attempted demise. And I believe in this country.
I think we will come back. I think millions of
Americans are looking this and saying, holy crap, this is horrific,
(41:31):
This is inhuman, this is wrong. That's why this trial
is so important is there are a lot of people that
still don't know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
They don't understand.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
If you watch CNN every day, God help you, but
you have no idea because the media or propagandists. That's
why this trial is important. But I think people's eyes
are opening up.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
I hope you're right, and it's going to be very
important come November. Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That's exactly why we do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday,
and we do a week in review of what you
may have missed during the week. We know many of
you are busy and you may miss a show, so
that's why we put that out there on Saturdays as well.
Make sure you get that subscriber auto downloadle button, and
don't forget grab my podcast as well. I'll keep you
up to date on what's going on with breaking news
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on those in between days, the Ben Ferguson Podcasts wherever
you get your podcasts, and The Senator and I will
see you back here on Friday morning.
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