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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome. It is verdict to with Senator Ted Cruz Ben
Ferguson with you. Donald Trump. He announced it. I've been
indicted apparently. It's a seven count indictment that has rocked
the media world, and really it is shocked to the
country center your reaction to this at former president being
indicted for a second time now by the special counsel
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Jack Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, Ben, you and I are talking. It is twelve
oh one am Friday morning. I was on an airplane
when this indictment happened. I was flying back to the
great state of Texas. So I'm in Texas now. And
when I landed, I discovered what had been heavily leaked,
had been heavily foreshadowed that Donald Trump was going.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
To be indicted today.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I have to say today is a very sad day
in American history. It is a shameful day in American history.
It is a disgraceful day in American history. Look, our
constitution is bablish as a system of justice. Where number one,
we have had for forty six presidents consistently a peaceful
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transfer of power, with each president leaving office on January twentieth,
At least in the modern times, and each new president
coming in on January twentieth. We have never in over
two centuries of our nation's history had a new president
who launched the entire Department of Justice, the entire machinery
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of Justice, on a vendetta to persecute, to attack, to investigate,
to indict, to try to throw in jail the former president, who,
it should be noted, is also currently the leading contender
on the Republican side to run against the current president.
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That has never happened at any point, no matter how
bad the vitriol is gotten. Nobody has tried to do that.
And part of the reason nobody has tried to do
that is for the vast majority of the history of
our country, no Department of Justice would go along with it.
No attorney general would countenance being turned into a political
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weapon to attack your political opponent. The result of today,
Merrick Garland is going to go down in disgrace as
the most partisan and political attorney general in our nation's history.
And Joe Biden and the Biden White House has decided
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to hell with democracy. By the way, today is an
assault on democracy. You know, one of the things about
the left, the language they use. They inevitably accuse their
opponents of doing what they are doing. So right now,
democrats piously frame themselves as defenders of democracy. Today is
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a slap in the face of democracy, because what today
the Biden administration is saying is to hell with you, voters.
We're worried that the voters might decide they want to
re elect Donald Trump, and so we're not going to
let the voters do that. We're going to bring a prosecution.
And let me be clear, Look, we don't know the
details of the prosecution. This indictment is still sealed, but
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the Biden DOJ is nothing if not political, so they
leak like crazy. So we have pretty good intel on
what the claims are. Now, I will say this this
podcast has said for a long time, over and over again.
I've been telling Verdict listeners, Merrick Garland wants to indict
Donald Trump. He intends to indict Donald Trump. Came into
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office with the plan to indict Donald Trump. I'm going
to point out those predictions.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
We're all entirely right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I also predicted on this podcast as we discussed that,
I said, look, the indictment is not just going to
be for possession of classified documents. After you're out of office.
That I believe had been the plan. That I believe
had been what Garland wanted to do, But then he
ran into an enormous political complication. It's not as much
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a legal complication as it is a political complication, which
is that Joe Biden was discovered having done the same
thing over and over and over again, that he had
classified documents it seems in every house he owns, and
he owns houses all over the place, including most laughably
classified documents just sitting in a box at his garage
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next to his corvette. Suddenly Merrit Garland had a problem,
which is if he indicts Trump just on the possession
of classified documents after he's out of office, well, Joe
Biden has done the same thing. And so what we
predicted on this podcast is that Garland would indict Trump
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for obstruction of justice instead that he would indict Trump
for lying.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
About the documents.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That because Garland wouldn't indict Biden over it, he was
not saying was a crime. Well, it turned out that
prediction was mostly right, but not entirely right. So what
it appears to be the case is the DOJ's indicting
Trump for everything.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
They just threw the kitchen sink at him.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So they're indicting him for apparently eighteen USC. Section seven
ninety three E, which is obstructing an official proceeding, eighteen USC.
Section fifteen twelve C, which is conspiracy to obstruct justice
eighteen USC. Section fifteen nineteen, and also making a materrely
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false statement pursuing to eighteen USC. Section one thousand and one.
And so they're throwing all of this. They're doing obstruction
of justice, but they are also focusing on the confidential
documents that are doing both. This indictment is garbage. This
is a political attack. It is a political attack from
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a thoroughly corrupted and weaponized Department of Justice, and it's
a sad day for America.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I got to ask you about the timing of this,
and this is one of the questions that so many
people are asking, and I want to get your take.
Center the very same day that the FBI agreed to
allow members of the Oversight Committee to review the documents
that are allegedly tying Joe Biden to a five million
dollar bribery scheme with a foreign national, President Trump is
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informed that he's going to be indicted by the Biden
Department of Justice. I don't believe that's by accident.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Do you no?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And let me say the hypocrisy is massive. I'm sure
you've seen what Biden said when asked about that, and
and actually let's let let's play it right now, because
I want to point out what Biden's response was when
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he was asked about the evidence that he was personally
implicated in a five million dollar bribery scheme. I'm supposed
to walk off the stage.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Wait issue Farmers flew and Nancy May says, there's damning.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Evidence that the outfile that you sold out the country.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Give response to the progression Republicans, where's the money to
a bunch of momarke.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
It's a bunch of malarkey centater we. By the way,
I can't believe he said that. The comms team, I'm
sure was freaking out the fact that he even asked
that question. Where's the money? We know where the damn
money is. We know where it is from the bank accounts,
we know where it is from the suspicious activity reports.
And now members of Congress have seen where the money
went to all the different Biden family accounts and shell companies.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, look, that is exactly right, But I want to
step back for a minute. I want to put that
exchange which played out today in context with this shameful
indictment that came down today. Now, we've gone over two
centuries of our nation's history without any president trying to
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indict his predecessor, without any president trying to indict his
potential future opponent. So look, theoretically that ought to be
a possibility. Should you possibly prosecute a former president, Yes,
but the threshold should be incredibly high. Any rational person,
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anyone who respects our democratic system, anyone who respects our constitutions,
should recognize that you shouldn't be prosecuting a former president
for little tiki tak offenses, for little, little nonsense offenses.
That the threshold should be really damn high. So what
sort of things? If a president sold nuclear secrets to
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our enemies, I prosecute that for a president for that.
If a president was Benedict Arnold and conspired with our
enemies against us, i'd prosecuted for a president.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Bennett Arnold wasn't a foreign president, but that's.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
A great historical treason. If a president was receiving bribes
from foreign nations. That's the kind of thing you prosecuted
for a president for.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
What's astonishing is Joe Biden right now is currently facing
allegations that he was personally party to a five million
dollar bribe from a foreign nation. That's a big damn deal.
That's not a small little ticki tac allegation. That's the
sort of thing people go to prison for decades for.
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And his response, the smarmy, smug response, where's the money now,
Number one? Where's the money? That's something al Capone said.
That's something John Dillinger, the bank robber said, you know,
when they asked him, why do you rob banks? He said,
that's where the money is. That's something criminals say, drug
dealers say. El Choppa probably said, where's the money? You
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can't find the money. But as you noted, we actually
know quite a bit about where the money went. We
know that with respect to the Chinese, that there were
millions of dollars that were paid up to twelve different
Biden family members. We know that we're with respect to
the Ukrainians, that Barisma, the natural gas company, paid Joe
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Biden's son Hunter a million dollars a year, year after
year after year, eighty three thousand dollars a month. So
where's the money. That's one place the money. As we
also know that at least in the Chinese deals, that
the deals were structured with ten percent for the big
guy that would be Joe Biden, that would be the
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current president. That's where the money is. And then this
five million dollar allegation. We don't know the details of it.
Why because the FBI won't make it public. The FBI
initially only showed it. Initially they said no one could
see it. Then Congress threatened to hold him in contempt.
Then the FBI said, we'll show it to James Comer
and Jamie Raskin, the chairman and ranking member. Then they
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said we're not going to show it to everyone else.
Then Congress said we're going to hold you in contempt again.
Now where the FBI is, They said, we'll show it
to every member of the committee. Now, look, they're four
hundred and thirty five members of the House. Unless you're
on that committee, you haven't seen those documents. There are
a hundred members of the Senate. I haven't seen those documents,
to the best of my knowledge. No member of the
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Senate other than I guess Chuck Grassley may have seen
those documents. So there may be one senator who's seen them.
If there's another, I.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Don't know of it. But where we are right now
on the.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Day, there are allegations, serious allegations of the kind of
things for which presidents and former presidents might reasonably be
indicted and prosecuted, which is taking five million dollar bribes
from four nations. Joe Biden is simultaneously mocking the allegations
where's the money, because he knows that the Democrats in
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Congress don't want to figure out where it is. He
knows that his lackeys at the Department of Justice don't
want to figure out where it is, and he knows
that the lap dogs in the corporate media don't want
to figure out where it is. There are no Woodward
and Bernstein's. They don't exist anymore. You go back and
read all the president's men follow the money. If if
some reporter out there had a shred of integrity, he
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would listen to Joe Biden saying where's the money, and
he would set his mission to say, I'm going to
find that money and let the American people know, and
none of them want to.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
They don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It doesn't matter to them if Joe Biden was receiving
bribes from foreign nations. Why, because it's all about power.
And on that same day they indict President Trump. And
are there any allegations in here that Trump received a
bribe from a foreign nation?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Are there any allegations that he committed the kind of
offenses that rise the level of gravity that may maybe
maybe you'd consider indicting a foreign president. No, this is
about hatred. Merrick Garland hates Donald Trump. He blames him
because Garland wants to be on the Supreme Court. He
feels like he was robbed. And I got to say,
Garland spent twenty four years as a federal judge. He
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had built a reputation for integrity. And I am hard
pressed to think of anyone in public life who has
more lit their reputation on fire than Merrick Garland because
he is happy to play political attack dog and Joe Biden,
the Democrats are all perfectly content to see it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
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Speaker 2 (15:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
There was a headline and I actually went back to
look in my Merit Garland file and when there is
important stories, sometimes I'll print them and I'll put them
in a file. There was a headline back in twenty
and eighteen by NPR and it said what happened with
Merritt Garland in twenty sixteen and why it matters now?
And they went into detail about how much it happened
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to him in the past two years. Many have forgotten
what happened to Garland. In other words, saying like this
man has a right to be angry. This is the
man that was nominated to fill the twenty sixteen vacancy
in the Supreme Court created by the death of Justice Scaliam,
an icon of the conservative movement. You had President Barack
Obama that quickly named Garland. He was then sixty three
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to fill the seat. Garland did not get a vote,
And this article written in twenty eighteen. You got to
go back to eighteen to see this article from NPR.
They basically justified Merrick Garland being angry at the world
and knowing that he had missed his chance to be
a Supreme Court justice because of his age since he
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didn't get that time. You look at that article now, Senator,
and it is a very interesting connection to what he
seems to be doing now as the Attorney General. Is
this is there a very good chances could just be
him settling the score, saying you kept this from me,
and watch what I can do with the power I
have now.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, No, this is not just Merrick Garland.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
This is Joe Biden. This is the Democrats. Merrick Garland
is not.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Is this Merrick Garland's corrupt vendetta, personal vendetta? Yes, but
he's doing it with the explicit embrace of the Biden
White House. That's why Joe Biden put them there. And
by the way, Joe Biden publicly called for the Department
of Justice to investigate Donald Trump. You know, when he
was campaigning for president Joe Biden said, I'm going to
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leave DOJ alone. I'm not going to try to influence
their decisions, and yet he violated that almost immediately after
he got sworn into office, where he called on them
to go after Trump is Listen, Garland is angry and
he's he's petty, and he keeps it as a personal grudge.
Look remember the many times and we played a lot
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of them on this podcast. When Garland is testified before
the Senate and I and others question him the degree
of offense, he feels.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
How dare you question me?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's this self righteous entitlement that I don't report to anybody,
I don't answer to anybody. I am the attorney general.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
To hell with the law.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
He picks which laws to follow, he ignores the laws
he doesn't want to follow, and he has this absolute
view of on accountability and self righteousness. But it's not
just him. It is a mistake to think this is
just a rogue attorney general. By the way, if it
were a rogue attorney general, Joe Biden could fire him.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
This was obvious. This was coming.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
By the way, if it were also a rogue attorney
general and a rogue FBI director. You know what Joe
Biden could do, direct the FBI hand over the evidence
concerning the allegations that I was involved in bribery. If
Biden were innocent, he wouldn't say where's the money, This
is malarkey. He'd say, these allegations are false, these allegations
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are serious, their lies, and I want all the information
made public to show that I'm innocent. That's what he
would say. He's not saying that because he knows that
his loyal partisan Democrat lackeys of the Department of Justice
will cover it up. They will stonewall, they will block it,
and at the same time they will go after Donald
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Trump with everything they have. They were slowed down. They'd
hoped to indict him earlier, but then suddenly the unexpected
accident of Joe Biden storing classified documents all over the
place made that more complicated. But this, at the end
of the day, is a political attack. It is not legal,
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It is not the rule of law. It is not
enforcing justice. It is DOJ acting as the opposition arm
of the DNC, attacking their opponent. And I got to say,
as someone who reveres our Department of Justice and the
role it is played in the history of our nation
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for ensuring the fair and impartial administration of justice. Today
is a shocking and sad day if.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You're keeping score, Senator, and this is the part that
enrages so many people that are listening. You've got Hunter
Biden and everything that he's done. Zero indictments, the Big Guy,
zero indictments, the Quintons and everything that we now know
about the four investigations that were shut down into them,
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and not only those investigations, but also her classified documents
and the email server. The list goes on and on.
Zero indictments. You put all these together, and then you
see what they're doing to Donald J. Trump. There's a
question that you got to ask, is.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And by the way, there's one. There's one other I
want to mention, Ben Sure, So, who is the most
vulnerable Democrat in the US Senate right now in the ballot?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Joe Mantioned from West Virginia, unequivocally, clearly, indisputably Joe Manchin,
incumbent Democrat. Senator Trump carried West Virginia by thirty nine
points Manchin. Most handicappers believe he is likely to lose
now mansion right now is facing one of two opponents.
He's either facing Jim Justice, who's the incumbent governor. He
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had been a Democrat, he shifted to Republican he's running,
or Alex Mooney. Alex Mooney is a congressman. He's a
strong conservative. I like Alex Mooney a lot. I've endorsed
Alex Mooney. I think he's the stronger conservative in the
stronger candidate. I hope Alex wins. But what did doj
do in the last few days? In the last few days,
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the Department of Justice announced that it was bringing a
civil case again against Jim Justice's son and the companies
that he ran, the coal companies that he ran, bringing
the against the multiple cases targeting Jim Justice's son. It
was so you literally have DJ saying, who's the opponent
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of the most vulnerable Democrat senator, Let's go bring a
case against their son, within hours of them saying, oh,
and let's indict for President Trump, who is also the
leading Republican candidate right now for president. Like, it is
a level of absolute shamelessness, I tweeted out. I said, look,
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in related news, the DNC has closed down it's it's
headquarters in Washington, d C. And simply moved into the
fifth floor of the DOJ building because they had an
empty conference room and they figured they might as well
share administrative costs.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
This is I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Understand an attorney general that that just says, I'm a Democrat.
I've got a bunch of prosecutors under my control, and
our job is to indict anyone who's a problem for
Democrats and to attack Republicans. The degree to which they
are lighting on fire the integrity of the Department of
Justice and the FBI is heartbreaking and it's dangerous. And
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I'll tell you, Ben, there are thousands upon thousands of
men and women at DOJ and the FBI that are
horrified and angry, and many of them are coming as
whistleblowers to Congress right now because they don't like seeing
an institution that should be nonpartisan turned into a political
attack weapon.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Will this open the floodgates to more whistleblowers coming forward?
Number one and number two, Senator, is the Democratic Party
for all intentsive purposes dead? And I say that because
I don't believe it exists anymore. I believe they're a
communist party, a socialist party. I think that the Democratic
Party is dead as we know it. The days of
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get part and O'Neill and others that could work together
for the other country that seems to be long gone.
They don't seem to be caring about what's right for
this nation. I believe that they the Democratic Party has
died and today is another tombstone for the Democratic movement.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, you know who can answer that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Each of the serving Democrats in Congress right now, if
there's even a single Democrat in the Senate, if there's
even a single Democrat in the House who cares about
the rule of law, he or she has a chance
to denounce this. I'm going to make a prediction none
of them will. To the best of my knowledge, they
have in so far. I serve on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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That's the place that has jurisdiction over all of these
issues we've seen in the last week. The House is
very interested in the credible allegations from an informant who
the FBI had relied on previously that Joe Biden, then
the Vice President of the United States, now the President
of the United States, was involved personally in a five
million dollar bribery scheme of the foreign nation. If we
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had a functioning Senate Judiciary Committee, we'd be holding hearings.
Why is it that James Comer wants to see these
documents but Dick Durbin doesn't because every Democrat on the
Judiciary Committee they don't care if the president was receiving
bribes from a foreign nation. And listen, I get partisan battles.
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Although this is the point I make Democrats all the time.
It's not that hard to stand up to your own party.
I stand up to my own party all the time.
I battled Mitch McConnell. He and I have beaten each
other bloody and bruised a thousand different times. Democrats put
partisan loyalty above everything. And by the way, if you
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contrast this to Richard Nixon, as you know, I'm not
a fan of Richard Nixon. I think he was corrupt.
I think he abused power. I think when he resigned
in disgrace it was because of incredibly bad conduct. I
wrote about that at length in my last book, Justice Corrupted.
But what tipped the balances was multiple Republican members of
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Congress said enough is enough. We can't defend this anymore.
You know what's missing now? Even one Democrat not even
willing to say, like Republicans did with Nixon, enough is enough.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
He's got to face accountability.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But even one Democrat who says, I care, I want
to know. What's amazing is there's not a Democrat member
of Congress who even wants to know what is the
evidence that Joe Biden took bribes? They don't care. And
by the way, the mainstream media doesn't care and doesn't
want to know what is the evidence Joe Biden took bribes? Instead,
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they want to shift to the indictment. You know, as
I was heading over to do this podcast, I was
talking with a couple of friends of mine in Dallas
and we were talking about what the podcast was going
to be about tonight, and I said, yeah, I'm getting
ready to record it, and it's about, of course, the
Trump indictment. And one of them said, well, which Trump indictment?
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And I left said, what an amazing comment that you
have to say, which Trump indictment? You also have to
say when you're concerning impeachments, which Trump impeachments? Trump was
impeached twice, both of them failed, both of them were frivolous.
Trump has now been indicted twice Alvin Bragg, which we
talked about at length, which was an utterly frivolous and
garbage prosecution, and now this one. And by the way,
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this may not be the last one. You've still gotten
Fulton County, Georgia. On other potential indictment, we may see
three indictments where this is Democrats gone wild. We will
indict and indict and indict the man, not because of
evidence of criminal conduct, but because we hate him and
because they are angry at the American people that the
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voters might just might have the temerity to elect him,
and their view is to hell with you, voters, to
hell with democracy. We're going to do everything we can
to burn him down because we hate him that much.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Let's talk about the timeline for this. Obviously, he's going
to go to court in Miami, we're being told President
Trump will. But let's talk about the timeline of what
happens after that, so people kind of know how long
this could linger. Could this be settled or thrown out
of court? Is there a chance of that before the election,
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in Miami, and then and how does this play out?
And will this take a long time? Could it move quickly?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The President has been instructed to appear in a federal
courthouse in Miami on Tuesday of next week at three pm,
So he will go there, presumably to be arraigned. He
will plead not guilty, and then the proceedings could take
a long time. I think in all likelihood these proceedings
will not be over by election day. I think they're
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certainly not going to be over by the time of
the primaries, by the Iowa caucuses, by New Hampshire, by
South Carolina, and I think they could easily extend for years.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
There's a chance the court throws us out.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's possible.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But when you have this kind of Department of Justice prosecution,
with this kind of major resources, the likely outcome is
it will drag on for a long, long time and
a big part of why DOJ is doing this. I
don't think they really think they're going to convict the guy.
I don't think Alvin Braggs really thinks that he's going
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to convict the guy. I think their objective is just
to drag him in the mud, to crap all over him,
and to attack him. It is an expression of hatred
rather than a prosecution based on the facts. But in
terms of timing, it could drag on potentially for years.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We've seen a lot of people that claim to be
conservatives who have been saying, over the last several hours, center, well,
this is the reason why we should, you know, move
on from Trump as fast as we can. In the primary,
he quote now has too much baggage. Your reaction that
because my thought is you are innocent until proven guilty
and everything. In the past they've accused Donald Trump up
(31:48):
and impeached him on not once but twice. None of
it was true, and still Dotsier wasn't true, the collusion
wasn't true. The list goes on and on, and when
people say, well, it's just too much baggage, that's exactly
what the Democrats these communists want, is for people to say, hey,
if we can bury a Republican, whether it's in West Virginia,
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whether it's the presidential race, if we can take out
front runners running for governor or Senate in different races
by saying they quote have too much baggage, then we
win every election.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well, I think the voters are going to decide that.
But I think here's what Democrats believe. I think I
think Democrats believe these indictments help Donald Trump in the
primary and hurt him in the general election.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
When Alvin Bragg brought.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
His indictments, you and I did an emergency podcast. We
did it within hours of the indictment. We put it
out very very quickly, and that night, what I predicted
is that would be a ten point bump in the polls.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
That proved exactly right.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Trump went up ten points. Prior to that, Trump and
DeSantis had been relatively close in the But when Alvin
Bragg brought.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
That utterly frivolous.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Garbage indictment, my comment at the time is that may
have been the single greatest in kind contribution to the
Trump campaign into any political campaign in the history of
the Federal Elections Commission. I think Democrats believe that indictment
in this indictment will benefit Trump in the primary, but
I think Democrats also believe it will hurt Trump in
(33:25):
the general election. I think they believe that if they
throw so much mud at Trump that it may make
general election voters less likely to vote for him. And look,
you got to view this from the perspective of a
hardcore partisan Democrat. If you want Joe Biden to get reelected,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Run on his record.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
His record is terrible. You can't run on the economy,
you can't run an immigration, you can't run a foreign policy,
you can't run an Afghanistan, you can't run on crime.
Like everything Biden has touched substantively has gone to crap.
So your only hope, and I think this is the
entire Democrat political strategy, is to hide Joe Biden in
(34:07):
the basement. Because you certainly can't have him talk to
the American people because he's not up to it. But
your hope is to hide him in the basement and
run an entire campaign attacking Donald Trump. And I think
Democrats believe the more times they have partisan and biased
prosecutors indicting Trump, the more they'll be able to throw.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Mod at him.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I'm skeptical that that's going to work, but I think
that's what their strategy is.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I want to ask you one last question about some
breaking news it's come out of the Biden bribery allegations.
There is one thing here that we now know that
has been leaked, and apparently Joe Biden allegedly got paid
five million by a Barisma executive as part of the
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We got more information. Biden's son Hunter was obviously a
(36:24):
board member Barisma pretty much. I think everybody knows that
he's also allegedly in on this scheme in this FBI document.
But now we know that President Joe Biden was allegedly
paid five million by an executive of the Ukrainian natural
gas firm Barisma Holdings, where his son Hunter Biden also
said on the board. This confidential human source, a highly
(36:46):
trusted source told the FBI, apparently during a June twenty
twenty interview. Sources familiar have now said to Fox News
the source brief Foxnews on the contents of the FBI
generated FD one zero two three form a judging a
criminal bribery scheme between then Vice President Joe Biden and
a foreign national that involved influence over US policy. What's
(37:09):
interesting about this coming out is Vice President Joe Biden
clearly was in a position, in his own words, to
influence natural gas positions and loans government a dollars going
to Ukraine. This is extremely damning just on the face
(37:29):
of it.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, if this is true, it is shocking. And this
is the first I'm hearing of it, Like as you're
reading it to me in the midst of this podcast,
I haven't read this article yet. I haven't seen this information.
This is breaking literally this moment. But you know, I
will say, Joe Biden, by his own description and by
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Obama's description, was the Obama administration's point person on Ukraine policy.
We know that Joe Biden ex size that authority. There's
the famous son of a Bitch Explain exchange which Biden
(38:11):
said describing how he went to Ukraine and demanded the
firing of the prosecutor who was going after the corrupt
oligarch who owned Barisma, and as he put it, he
he held a billion dollars of USA hostage, and in
Joe Biden's words, son of a bitch, they fired the guy. Well,
(38:35):
if it is true that Joe Biden received five million
dollars from an executive at Barisma, that's stunning and on
its face, that screams of criminal bribery. That not only
screams of bribery. If that is true, that is an
(38:55):
undoubtedly impeachable offense, and it is a criminal offense for
which Joe Biden should serve a long jail term. No,
I don't know if it's true, So I want to
be clear. This is a leaked discussion of an allegation
from an informant, so it may not be true.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
But holy crap.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Contrasts this to Trump had some documents like Biden had,
like Pence had, like every foreign president had, that was
classified and he didn't have.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Them locked up all that Well, Like.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
In terms of allegations, that's pretty mild stuff. Yeah, this
in terms of allegations that you got five million dollars from.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
What Yeah, I was gonna say that this new information
and what it says to your point. It says this
FT one zero two three form dated June thirty of
twenty twenty is the FBI's interview with quote a highly
credible confidential source who detailed multiple meetings and conversation that
he or she had with a top Borism executive over
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the course of several years starting in two thousand than
in fifteen. The form is used by the FBI agents
to record unverified reporting from confidential human sources. The form
is used to document informations told to an FBI agent.
There's a lot of conversations apparently here, Senator, that this
(40:18):
informant said, Hey, this wasn't just one time. There were
multiple detailed meetings and conversations that this informant had with
a top Barisma executive over the course of several years.
About this bribery with the Biden family.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Well, let me say this to quote Joe Biden. Where's
the money and if it can be proven that Joe
Biden received five million dollars from Avarisma executive for making
official decisions that benefited Maarisma and Ukraine, Joe Biden should
go to jail for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I don't know if that's true. But you know what,
we had to have this document public. Look, we ought
to have this informant testify public. The American people have
a right to know is it true? And if it's not,
you know who should be most angry about it. Joe Biden.
The person if it's false, the person who should most
want this information made public is Biden. And the fact
(41:15):
that he's stonewalling and dj is stonewalling, the FBI is stonewalling,
that raises a serious inference that they're covering something up.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, great point. This is going to be a very
interesting tough week obviously for Donald Trump. We're going to
be covering it. We'll give you updates on it. Will
also make sure that you know about all this news
that the media is not covering, especially with its bribery
scheme that they are accusing the President being involved in.
Now with a Barisma executive is what the reporting is saying.
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Welcome. It is verdict to with Senator Ted Cruz Ben
Ferguson with you. Donald Trump. He announced it. I've been
indicted apparently. It's a seven count indictment that has rocked
the media world, and really it is shocked to the
country center your reaction to this at former president being
indicted for a second time now by the special counsel
(00:23):
Jack Smith.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, Ben, you and I are talking. It is twelve
oh one am Friday morning. I was on an airplane
when this indictment happened. I was flying back to the
great state of Texas. So I'm in Texas now. And
when I landed, I discovered what had been heavily leaked,
had been heavily foreshadowed that Donald Trump was going.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
To be indicted today.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I have to say today is a very sad day
in American history. It is a shameful day in American history.
It is a disgraceful day in American history. Look, our
constitution is bablish as a system of justice. Where number one,
we have had for forty six presidents consistently a peaceful
(01:09):
transfer of power, with each president leaving office on January twentieth,
At least in the modern times, and each new president
coming in on January twentieth. We have never in over
two centuries of our nation's history had a new president
who launched the entire Department of Justice, the entire machinery
(01:31):
of Justice, on a vendetta to persecute, to attack, to investigate,
to indict, to try to throw in jail the former president, who,
it should be noted, is also currently the leading contender
on the Republican side to run against the current president.
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That has never happened at any point, no matter how
bad the vitriol is gotten. Nobody has tried to do that.
And part of the reason nobody has tried to do
that is for the vast majority of the history of
our country, no Department of Justice would go along with it.
No attorney general would countenance being turned into a political
(02:15):
weapon to attack your political opponent. The result of today,
Merrick Garland is going to go down in disgrace as
the most partisan and political attorney general in our nation's history.
And Joe Biden and the Biden White House has decided
(02:36):
to hell with democracy. By the way, today is an
assault on democracy. You know, one of the things about
the left, the language they use. They inevitably accuse their
opponents of doing what they are doing. So right now,
democrats piously frame themselves as defenders of democracy. Today is
(03:01):
a slap in the face of democracy, because what today
the Biden administration is saying is to hell with you, voters.
We're worried that the voters might decide they want to
re elect Donald Trump, and so we're not going to
let the voters do that. We're going to bring a prosecution.
And let me be clear, Look, we don't know the
details of the prosecution. This indictment is still sealed, but
(03:24):
the Biden DOJ is nothing if not political, so they
leak like crazy. So we have pretty good intel on
what the claims are. Now, I will say this this
podcast has said for a long time, over and over again.
I've been telling Verdict listeners, Merrick Garland wants to indict
Donald Trump. He intends to indict Donald Trump. Came into
(03:47):
office with the plan to indict Donald Trump. I'm going
to point out those predictions.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
We're all entirely right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I also predicted on this podcast as we discussed that,
I said, look, the indictment is not just going to
be for possession of classified documents. After you're out of office.
That I believe had been the plan. That I believe
had been what Garland wanted to do, But then he
ran into an enormous political complication. It's not as much
(04:17):
a legal complication as it is a political complication, which
is that Joe Biden was discovered having done the same
thing over and over and over again, that he had
classified documents it seems in every house he owns, and
he owns houses all over the place, including most laughably
classified documents just sitting in a box at his garage
(04:38):
next to his corvette. Suddenly Merrit Garland had a problem,
which is if he indicts Trump just on the possession
of classified documents after he's out of office, well, Joe
Biden has done the same thing. And so what we
predicted on this podcast is that Garland would indict Trump
(05:01):
for obstruction of justice instead that he would indict Trump
for lying.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
About the documents.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That because Garland wouldn't indict Biden over it, he was
not saying was a crime. Well, it turned out that
prediction was mostly right, but not entirely right. So what
it appears to be the case is the DOJ's indicting
Trump for everything.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
They just threw the kitchen sink at him.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So they're indicting him for apparently eighteen USC. Section seven
ninety three E, which is obstructing an official proceeding, eighteen USC.
Section fifteen twelve C, which is conspiracy to obstruct justice
eighteen USC. Section fifteen nineteen, and also making a materrely
(05:51):
false statement pursuing to eighteen USC. Section one thousand and one.
And so they're throwing all of this. They're doing obstruction
of justice, but they are also focusing on the confidential
documents that are doing both. This indictment is garbage. This
is a political attack. It is a political attack from
(06:13):
a thoroughly corrupted and weaponized Department of Justice, and it's
a sad day for America.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I got to ask you about the timing of this,
and this is one of the questions that so many
people are asking, and I want to get your take.
Center the very same day that the FBI agreed to
allow members of the Oversight Committee to review the documents
that are allegedly tying Joe Biden to a five million
dollar bribery scheme with a foreign national, President Trump is
(06:44):
informed that he's going to be indicted by the Biden
Department of Justice. I don't believe that's by accident.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Do you no?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And let me say the hypocrisy is massive. I'm sure
you've seen what Biden said when asked about that, and
and actually let's let let's play it right now, because
I want to point out what Biden's response was when
(07:14):
he was asked about the evidence that he was personally
implicated in a five million dollar bribery scheme. I'm supposed
to walk off the stage.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Wait issue Farmers flew and Nancy May says, there's damning.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Evidence that the outfile that you sold out the country.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Give response to the progression Republicans, where's the money to
a bunch of momarke.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
It's a bunch of malarkey centater we. By the way,
I can't believe he said that. The comms team, I'm
sure was freaking out the fact that he even asked
that question. Where's the money? We know where the damn
money is. We know where it is from the bank accounts,
we know where it is from the suspicious activity reports.
And now members of Congress have seen where the money
went to all the different Biden family accounts and shell companies.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, look, that is exactly right, But I want to
step back for a minute. I want to put that
exchange which played out today in context with this shameful
indictment that came down today. Now, we've gone over two
centuries of our nation's history without any president trying to
(08:24):
indict his predecessor, without any president trying to indict his
potential future opponent. So look, theoretically that ought to be
a possibility. Should you possibly prosecute a former president, Yes,
but the threshold should be incredibly high. Any rational person,
(08:49):
anyone who respects our democratic system, anyone who respects our constitutions,
should recognize that you shouldn't be prosecuting a former president
for little tiki tak offenses, for little, little nonsense offenses.
That the threshold should be really damn high. So what
sort of things? If a president sold nuclear secrets to
(09:11):
our enemies, I prosecute that for a president for that.
If a president was Benedict Arnold and conspired with our
enemies against us, i'd prosecuted for a president.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Bennett Arnold wasn't a foreign president, but that's.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
A great historical treason. If a president was receiving bribes
from foreign nations. That's the kind of thing you prosecuted
for a president for.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
What's astonishing is Joe Biden right now is currently facing
allegations that he was personally party to a five million
dollar bribe from a foreign nation. That's a big damn deal.
That's not a small little ticki tac allegation. That's the
sort of thing people go to prison for decades for.
(10:02):
And his response, the smarmy, smug response, where's the money now,
Number one? Where's the money? That's something al Capone said.
That's something John Dillinger, the bank robber said, you know,
when they asked him, why do you rob banks? He said,
that's where the money is. That's something criminals say, drug
dealers say. El Choppa probably said, where's the money? You
(10:25):
can't find the money. But as you noted, we actually
know quite a bit about where the money went. We
know that with respect to the Chinese, that there were
millions of dollars that were paid up to twelve different
Biden family members. We know that we're with respect to
the Ukrainians, that Barisma, the natural gas company, paid Joe
(10:50):
Biden's son Hunter a million dollars a year, year after
year after year, eighty three thousand dollars a month. So
where's the money. That's one place the money. As we
also know that at least in the Chinese deals, that
the deals were structured with ten percent for the big
guy that would be Joe Biden, that would be the
(11:12):
current president. That's where the money is. And then this
five million dollar allegation. We don't know the details of it.
Why because the FBI won't make it public. The FBI
initially only showed it. Initially they said no one could
see it. Then Congress threatened to hold him in contempt.
Then the FBI said, we'll show it to James Comer
and Jamie Raskin, the chairman and ranking member. Then they
(11:36):
said we're not going to show it to everyone else.
Then Congress said we're going to hold you in contempt again.
Now where the FBI is, They said, we'll show it
to every member of the committee. Now, look, they're four
hundred and thirty five members of the House. Unless you're
on that committee, you haven't seen those documents. There are
a hundred members of the Senate. I haven't seen those documents,
to the best of my knowledge. No member of the
(11:57):
Senate other than I guess Chuck Grassley may have seen
those documents. So there may be one senator who's seen them.
If there's another, I.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Don't know of it. But where we are right now
on the.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Day, there are allegations, serious allegations of the kind of
things for which presidents and former presidents might reasonably be
indicted and prosecuted, which is taking five million dollar bribes
from four nations. Joe Biden is simultaneously mocking the allegations
where's the money, because he knows that the Democrats in
(12:34):
Congress don't want to figure out where it is. He
knows that his lackeys at the Department of Justice don't
want to figure out where it is, and he knows
that the lap dogs in the corporate media don't want
to figure out where it is. There are no Woodward
and Bernstein's. They don't exist anymore. You go back and
read all the president's men follow the money. If if
some reporter out there had a shred of integrity, he
(12:56):
would listen to Joe Biden saying where's the money, and
he would set his mission to say, I'm going to
find that money and let the American people know, and
none of them want to.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
They don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It doesn't matter to them if Joe Biden was receiving
bribes from foreign nations. Why, because it's all about power.
And on that same day they indict President Trump. And
are there any allegations in here that Trump received a
bribe from a foreign nation?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Are there any allegations that he committed the kind of
offenses that rise the level of gravity that may maybe
maybe you'd consider indicting a foreign president. No, this is
about hatred. Merrick Garland hates Donald Trump. He blames him
because Garland wants to be on the Supreme Court. He
feels like he was robbed. And I got to say,
Garland spent twenty four years as a federal judge. He
(13:44):
had built a reputation for integrity. And I am hard
pressed to think of anyone in public life who has
more lit their reputation on fire than Merrick Garland because
he is happy to play political attack dog and Joe Biden,
the Democrats are all perfectly content to see it.
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Speaker 2 (15:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
There was a headline and I actually went back to
look in my Merit Garland file and when there is
important stories, sometimes I'll print them and I'll put them
in a file. There was a headline back in twenty
and eighteen by NPR and it said what happened with
Merritt Garland in twenty sixteen and why it matters now?
And they went into detail about how much it happened
(15:59):
to him in the past two years. Many have forgotten
what happened to Garland. In other words, saying like this
man has a right to be angry. This is the
man that was nominated to fill the twenty sixteen vacancy
in the Supreme Court created by the death of Justice Scaliam,
an icon of the conservative movement. You had President Barack
Obama that quickly named Garland. He was then sixty three
(16:20):
to fill the seat. Garland did not get a vote,
And this article written in twenty eighteen. You got to
go back to eighteen to see this article from NPR.
They basically justified Merrick Garland being angry at the world
and knowing that he had missed his chance to be
a Supreme Court justice because of his age since he
(16:42):
didn't get that time. You look at that article now, Senator,
and it is a very interesting connection to what he
seems to be doing now as the Attorney General. Is
this is there a very good chances could just be
him settling the score, saying you kept this from me,
and watch what I can do with the power I
have now.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
No, No, this is not just Merrick Garland.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
This is Joe Biden. This is the Democrats. Merrick Garland
is not.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Is this Merrick Garland's corrupt vendetta, personal vendetta? Yes, but
he's doing it with the explicit embrace of the Biden
White House. That's why Joe Biden put them there. And
by the way, Joe Biden publicly called for the Department
of Justice to investigate Donald Trump. You know, when he
was campaigning for president Joe Biden said, I'm going to
(17:32):
leave DOJ alone. I'm not going to try to influence
their decisions, and yet he violated that almost immediately after
he got sworn into office, where he called on them
to go after Trump is Listen, Garland is angry and
he's he's petty, and he keeps it as a personal grudge.
Look remember the many times and we played a lot
(17:54):
of them on this podcast. When Garland is testified before
the Senate and I and others question him the degree
of offense, he feels.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
How dare you question me?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's this self righteous entitlement that I don't report to anybody,
I don't answer to anybody. I am the attorney general.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
To hell with the law.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
He picks which laws to follow, he ignores the laws
he doesn't want to follow, and he has this absolute
view of on accountability and self righteousness. But it's not
just him. It is a mistake to think this is
just a rogue attorney general. By the way, if it
were a rogue attorney general, Joe Biden could fire him.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
This was obvious. This was coming.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
By the way, if it were also a rogue attorney
general and a rogue FBI director. You know what Joe
Biden could do, direct the FBI hand over the evidence
concerning the allegations that I was involved in bribery. If
Biden were innocent, he wouldn't say where's the money, This
is malarkey. He'd say, these allegations are false, these allegations
(19:06):
are serious, their lies, and I want all the information
made public to show that I'm innocent. That's what he
would say. He's not saying that because he knows that
his loyal partisan Democrat lackeys of the Department of Justice
will cover it up. They will stonewall, they will block it,
and at the same time they will go after Donald
(19:29):
Trump with everything they have. They were slowed down. They'd
hoped to indict him earlier, but then suddenly the unexpected
accident of Joe Biden storing classified documents all over the
place made that more complicated. But this, at the end
of the day, is a political attack. It is not legal,
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It is not the rule of law. It is not
enforcing justice. It is DOJ acting as the opposition arm
of the DNC, attacking their opponent. And I got to say,
as someone who reveres our Department of Justice and the
role it is played in the history of our nation
(20:10):
for ensuring the fair and impartial administration of justice. Today
is a shocking and sad day if.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
You're keeping score, Senator, and this is the part that
enrages so many people that are listening. You've got Hunter
Biden and everything that he's done. Zero indictments, the Big Guy,
zero indictments, the Quintons and everything that we now know
about the four investigations that were shut down into them,
(20:40):
and not only those investigations, but also her classified documents
and the email server. The list goes on and on.
Zero indictments. You put all these together, and then you
see what they're doing to Donald J. Trump. There's a
question that you got to ask, is.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And by the way, there's one. There's one other I
want to mention, Ben Sure, So, who is the most
vulnerable Democrat in the US Senate right now in the ballot?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Joe Mantioned from West Virginia, unequivocally, clearly, indisputably Joe Manchin,
incumbent Democrat. Senator Trump carried West Virginia by thirty nine
points Manchin. Most handicappers believe he is likely to lose
now mansion right now is facing one of two opponents.
He's either facing Jim Justice, who's the incumbent governor. He
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had been a Democrat, he shifted to Republican he's running,
or Alex Mooney. Alex Mooney is a congressman. He's a
strong conservative. I like Alex Mooney a lot. I've endorsed
Alex Mooney. I think he's the stronger conservative in the
stronger candidate. I hope Alex wins. But what did doj
do in the last few days? In the last few days,
(21:54):
the Department of Justice announced that it was bringing a
civil case again against Jim Justice's son and the companies
that he ran, the coal companies that he ran, bringing
the against the multiple cases targeting Jim Justice's son. It
was so you literally have DJ saying, who's the opponent
(22:16):
of the most vulnerable Democrat senator, Let's go bring a
case against their son, within hours of them saying, oh,
and let's indict for President Trump, who is also the
leading Republican candidate right now for president. Like, it is
a level of absolute shamelessness, I tweeted out. I said, look,
(22:38):
in related news, the DNC has closed down it's it's
headquarters in Washington, d C. And simply moved into the
fifth floor of the DOJ building because they had an
empty conference room and they figured they might as well
share administrative costs.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
This is I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Understand an attorney general that that just says, I'm a Democrat.
I've got a bunch of prosecutors under my control, and
our job is to indict anyone who's a problem for
Democrats and to attack Republicans. The degree to which they
are lighting on fire the integrity of the Department of
Justice and the FBI is heartbreaking and it's dangerous. And
(23:15):
I'll tell you, Ben, there are thousands upon thousands of
men and women at DOJ and the FBI that are
horrified and angry, and many of them are coming as
whistleblowers to Congress right now because they don't like seeing
an institution that should be nonpartisan turned into a political
attack weapon.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Will this open the floodgates to more whistleblowers coming forward?
Number one and number two, Senator, is the Democratic Party
for all intentsive purposes dead? And I say that because
I don't believe it exists anymore. I believe they're a
communist party, a socialist party. I think that the Democratic
Party is dead as we know it. The days of
(23:54):
get part and O'Neill and others that could work together
for the other country that seems to be long gone.
They don't seem to be caring about what's right for
this nation. I believe that they the Democratic Party has
died and today is another tombstone for the Democratic movement.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, you know who can answer that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Each of the serving Democrats in Congress right now, if
there's even a single Democrat in the Senate, if there's
even a single Democrat in the House who cares about
the rule of law, he or she has a chance
to denounce this. I'm going to make a prediction none
of them will. To the best of my knowledge, they
have in so far. I serve on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
(24:36):
That's the place that has jurisdiction over all of these
issues we've seen in the last week. The House is
very interested in the credible allegations from an informant who
the FBI had relied on previously that Joe Biden, then
the Vice President of the United States, now the President
of the United States, was involved personally in a five
million dollar bribery scheme of the foreign nation. If we
(24:59):
had a functioning Senate Judiciary Committee, we'd be holding hearings.
Why is it that James Comer wants to see these
documents but Dick Durbin doesn't because every Democrat on the
Judiciary Committee they don't care if the president was receiving
bribes from a foreign nation. And listen, I get partisan battles.
(25:20):
Although this is the point I make Democrats all the time.
It's not that hard to stand up to your own party.
I stand up to my own party all the time.
I battled Mitch McConnell. He and I have beaten each
other bloody and bruised a thousand different times. Democrats put
partisan loyalty above everything. And by the way, if you
(25:43):
contrast this to Richard Nixon, as you know, I'm not
a fan of Richard Nixon. I think he was corrupt.
I think he abused power. I think when he resigned
in disgrace it was because of incredibly bad conduct. I
wrote about that at length in my last book, Justice Corrupted.
But what tipped the balances was multiple Republican members of
(26:08):
Congress said enough is enough. We can't defend this anymore.
You know what's missing now? Even one Democrat not even
willing to say, like Republicans did with Nixon, enough is enough.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
He's got to face accountability.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
But even one Democrat who says, I care, I want
to know. What's amazing is there's not a Democrat member
of Congress who even wants to know what is the
evidence that Joe Biden took bribes? They don't care. And
by the way, the mainstream media doesn't care and doesn't
want to know what is the evidence Joe Biden took bribes? Instead,
(26:47):
they want to shift to the indictment. You know, as
I was heading over to do this podcast, I was
talking with a couple of friends of mine in Dallas
and we were talking about what the podcast was going
to be about tonight, and I said, yeah, I'm getting
ready to record it, and it's about, of course, the
Trump indictment. And one of them said, well, which Trump indictment?
(27:08):
And I left said, what an amazing comment that you
have to say, which Trump indictment? You also have to
say when you're concerning impeachments, which Trump impeachments? Trump was
impeached twice, both of them failed, both of them were frivolous.
Trump has now been indicted twice Alvin Bragg, which we
talked about at length, which was an utterly frivolous and
garbage prosecution, and now this one. And by the way,
(27:32):
this may not be the last one. You've still gotten
Fulton County, Georgia. On other potential indictment, we may see
three indictments where this is Democrats gone wild. We will
indict and indict and indict the man, not because of
evidence of criminal conduct, but because we hate him and
because they are angry at the American people that the
(27:55):
voters might just might have the temerity to elect him,
and their view is to hell with you, voters, to
hell with democracy. We're going to do everything we can
to burn him down because we hate him that much.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Let's talk about the timeline for this. Obviously, he's going
to go to court in Miami, we're being told President
Trump will. But let's talk about the timeline of what
happens after that, so people kind of know how long
this could linger. Could this be settled or thrown out
of court? Is there a chance of that before the election,
(28:28):
and or this could this drag on until well after
election day? And if that happens, then what happens if
you have a president United States of America that is
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in Miami, and then and how does this play out?
And will this take a long time? Could it move quickly?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The President has been instructed to appear in a federal
courthouse in Miami on Tuesday of next week at three pm,
So he will go there, presumably to be arraigned. He
will plead not guilty, and then the proceedings could take
a long time. I think in all likelihood these proceedings
will not be over by election day. I think they're
(30:26):
certainly not going to be over by the time of
the primaries, by the Iowa caucuses, by New Hampshire, by
South Carolina, and I think they could easily extend for years.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
There's a chance the court throws us out.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's possible.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But when you have this kind of Department of Justice prosecution,
with this kind of major resources, the likely outcome is
it will drag on for a long, long time and
a big part of why DOJ is doing this. I
don't think they really think they're going to convict the guy.
I don't think Alvin Braggs really thinks that he's going
(31:02):
to convict the guy. I think their objective is just
to drag him in the mud, to crap all over him,
and to attack him. It is an expression of hatred
rather than a prosecution based on the facts. But in
terms of timing, it could drag on potentially for years.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We've seen a lot of people that claim to be
conservatives who have been saying, over the last several hours, center, well,
this is the reason why we should, you know, move
on from Trump as fast as we can. In the primary,
he quote now has too much baggage. Your reaction that
because my thought is you are innocent until proven guilty
and everything. In the past they've accused Donald Trump up
(31:48):
and impeached him on not once but twice. None of
it was true, and still Dotsier wasn't true, the collusion
wasn't true. The list goes on and on, and when
people say, well, it's just too much baggage, that's exactly
what the Democrats these communists want, is for people to say, hey,
if we can bury a Republican, whether it's in West Virginia,
(32:10):
whether it's the presidential race, if we can take out
front runners running for governor or Senate in different races
by saying they quote have too much baggage, then we
win every election.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well, I think the voters are going to decide that.
But I think here's what Democrats believe. I think I
think Democrats believe these indictments help Donald Trump in the
primary and hurt him in the general election.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
When Alvin Bragg brought.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
His indictments, you and I did an emergency podcast. We
did it within hours of the indictment. We put it
out very very quickly, and that night, what I predicted
is that would be a ten point bump in the polls.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
That proved exactly right.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Trump went up ten points. Prior to that, Trump and
DeSantis had been relatively close in the But when Alvin
Bragg brought.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
That utterly frivolous.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Garbage indictment, my comment at the time is that may
have been the single greatest in kind contribution to the
Trump campaign into any political campaign in the history of
the Federal Elections Commission. I think Democrats believe that indictment
in this indictment will benefit Trump in the primary, but
I think Democrats also believe it will hurt Trump in
(33:25):
the general election. I think they believe that if they
throw so much mud at Trump that it may make
general election voters less likely to vote for him. And look,
you got to view this from the perspective of a
hardcore partisan Democrat. If you want Joe Biden to get reelected,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Run on his record.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
His record is terrible. You can't run on the economy,
you can't run an immigration, you can't run a foreign policy,
you can't run an Afghanistan, you can't run on crime.
Like everything Biden has touched substantively has gone to crap.
So your only hope, and I think this is the
entire Democrat political strategy, is to hide Joe Biden in
(34:07):
the basement. Because you certainly can't have him talk to
the American people because he's not up to it. But
your hope is to hide him in the basement and
run an entire campaign attacking Donald Trump. And I think
Democrats believe the more times they have partisan and biased
prosecutors indicting Trump, the more they'll be able to throw.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Mod at him.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I'm skeptical that that's going to work, but I think
that's what their strategy is.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I want to ask you one last question about some
breaking news it's come out of the Biden bribery allegations.
There is one thing here that we now know that
has been leaked, and apparently Joe Biden allegedly got paid
five million by a Barisma executive as part of the
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board member Barisma pretty much. I think everybody knows that
he's also allegedly in on this scheme in this FBI document.
But now we know that President Joe Biden was allegedly
paid five million by an executive of the Ukrainian natural
gas firm Barisma Holdings, where his son Hunter Biden also
said on the board. This confidential human source, a highly
(36:46):
trusted source told the FBI, apparently during a June twenty
twenty interview. Sources familiar have now said to Fox News
the source brief Foxnews on the contents of the FBI
generated FD one zero two three form a judging a
criminal bribery scheme between then Vice President Joe Biden and
a foreign national that involved influence over US policy. What's
(37:09):
interesting about this coming out is Vice President Joe Biden
clearly was in a position, in his own words, to
influence natural gas positions and loans government a dollars going
to Ukraine. This is extremely damning just on the face
(37:29):
of it.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, if this is true, it is shocking. And this
is the first I'm hearing of it, Like as you're
reading it to me in the midst of this podcast,
I haven't read this article yet. I haven't seen this information.
This is breaking literally this moment. But you know, I
will say, Joe Biden, by his own description and by
(37:51):
Obama's description, was the Obama administration's point person on Ukraine policy.
We know that Joe Biden ex size that authority. There's
the famous son of a Bitch Explain exchange which Biden
(38:11):
said describing how he went to Ukraine and demanded the
firing of the prosecutor who was going after the corrupt
oligarch who owned Barisma, and as he put it, he
he held a billion dollars of USA hostage, and in
Joe Biden's words, son of a bitch, they fired the guy. Well,
(38:35):
if it is true that Joe Biden received five million
dollars from an executive at Barisma, that's stunning and on
its face, that screams of criminal bribery. That not only
screams of bribery. If that is true, that is an
(38:55):
undoubtedly impeachable offense, and it is a criminal offense for
which Joe Biden should serve a long jail term. No,
I don't know if it's true, So I want to
be clear. This is a leaked discussion of an allegation
from an informant, so it may not be true.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
But holy crap.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Contrasts this to Trump had some documents like Biden had,
like Pence had, like every foreign president had, that was
classified and he didn't have.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Them locked up all that Well, Like.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
In terms of allegations, that's pretty mild stuff. Yeah, this
in terms of allegations that you got five million dollars from.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
What Yeah, I was gonna say that this new information
and what it says to your point. It says this
FT one zero two three form dated June thirty of
twenty twenty is the FBI's interview with quote a highly
credible confidential source who detailed multiple meetings and conversation that
he or she had with a top Borism executive over
(39:57):
the course of several years starting in two thousand than
in fifteen. The form is used by the FBI agents
to record unverified reporting from confidential human sources. The form
is used to document informations told to an FBI agent.
There's a lot of conversations apparently here, Senator, that this
(40:18):
informant said, Hey, this wasn't just one time. There were
multiple detailed meetings and conversations that this informant had with
a top Barisma executive over the course of several years.
About this bribery with the Biden family.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Well, let me say this to quote Joe Biden. Where's
the money and if it can be proven that Joe
Biden received five million dollars from Avarisma executive for making
official decisions that benefited Maarisma and Ukraine, Joe Biden should
go to jail for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I don't know if that's true. But you know what,
we had to have this document public. Look, we ought
to have this informant testify public. The American people have
a right to know is it true? And if it's not,
you know who should be most angry about it. Joe Biden.
The person if it's false, the person who should most
want this information made public is Biden. And the fact
(41:15):
that he's stonewalling and dj is stonewalling, the FBI is stonewalling,
that raises a serious inference that they're covering something up.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, great point. This is going to be a very
interesting tough week obviously for Donald Trump. We're going to
be covering it. We'll give you updates on it. Will
also make sure that you know about all this news
that the media is not covering, especially with its bribery
scheme that they are accusing the President being involved in.
Now with a Barisma executive is what the reporting is saying.
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