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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome. It is a verdict.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Was center Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you the breaking news.
Biden's Department of Justice has indicted President Donald Trump yet
again for new charges.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Related to January the sixth.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
This is the same guy that's leading in the polls,
in some polls by as much as fifty points. So
why did this happen? Let's go through a quick timeline
for you. June the seventh, the FBI released documents to
Congress alleging that the Bidens took a ten million dollar
bribe from Barisma. What happened the very next day, June eighth,
(00:36):
Jack Smith indicted Trump in the Marlago document case. Fast
forward to July the twenty sixth, Hunter Biden goes to
court and rejects this sweetheart plea deal for the judge
said uh uh, after it was revealed that the Biden
Department of Justice tried to give Hunter Biden blanket immunity
from all future prosecutions. The very next day, after that
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sweetheart deal fell apart, on July the twenty seventh, Jack
Smith added more charges for Trump in the Marlago case.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Move.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Just a few days later, to July the thirty first, Hunter,
Biden's former business partner testifies to Congress Devin Archer that
Joe Biden was on over twenty calls with his son's
business partners and that Barism executives pressured them to fire
the prosecutor. What happened the very next day? Jack Smith
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indicts Trump again for more charges related to January the
sixth Senator? Is there a coincidence with a day after
day timeline I just gave you? Or is this possible
retribution for how dare you challenge us?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Look?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Is it is not subtle and it's not complicated. This
is straight out election interference by the Biden Department of Justice.
We have talked at great length about how incredibly politicized
the Department of Justice is. You're right, the timing every
time there's a development on evidence of corruption or criminal
misconduct by Hunter Biden were, in particular Joe Biden. The
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next day you see the Department of Justice try to
change the narrative, try to break news. I am not
surprised at all that this indictment came down yesterday. Why
is that? Because they desperately wanted to drive off of
the news. Devin Archer's testimony that was very bad for
Joe Biden, and the best way to do it is
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to count on the useful idiots in the media who
will happily echo their latest charges against Donald Trump. We
are looking right now at three different indictments of Donald Trump,
one state and two federal, and in all likelihood we'll
see a fourth indictment of Donald Trump in Atlanta from
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another state prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
This one was.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Supposed to be the big, big Enchilada. This is the
one that democrats and the corporate media have been salivating for.
This was finally gonna get him. They are kept in
a have and he is there, Moby Dick, and they
want to get Donald Trump. And I gotta say I
sat down and read this indictment and my biggest sentence
(03:14):
was that it was thoroughly underwhelming. There's very little there.
There's very little new in this indictment that you couldn't
get reading the pages of the Washington Post in the
days after the twenty twenty election leading up to January sixth,
almost all of this has been covered in the newspapers.
(03:36):
And essentially, what this indictment does is take all the facts,
and in particular, they really really really don't like that
Donald Trump alleged that there was voter fraud in the
twenty twenty election and that it changed the outcome. Now
I get that they don't like that, but not liking
it is not the same as saying Trump saying that
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on Twitter, on any mountaintop from which you could say
it is somehow criminal conduct. And I think, you know,
looking at this, I was surprised, after all this investigation,
after millions of dollars, after prosecutors with subpoena power, putting
people at risk of going to jail, I was surprised
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that there wasn't a smoking gun in here. There wasn't
something that frankly breaks news. At this point, the only
news is Aha, they indicted him, and then they get
to repeat everything they said for the last two years.
This is a political indictment brought by a political prosecutor,
working for a political attorney general, working for a political
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president who does not want to risk losing to Donald
Trump in November of twenty twenty four. And what Joe Biden,
what Merrick Garland, what Jack Smith? What all the apparaticks
in the Biden Justice Department want? Is they want number one.
They want Trump to win the Republican nomination, and they've
now figured out every time they indict Trump, his numbers
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go up in the primary. That makes them really happy.
They want Trump to be the nominee and the number two.
Their nirvana is to have multiple criminal trials against Donald Trump,
all proceeding ideally in September and October of twenty twenty four,
and they believe they'll throw so much mud on the
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wall that Trump will be unelectable. That's their political objective.
I understand why they have that political objective, but it's
not the rule of law. It's not what the Department
of Justice is supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
My question for you and for so many Americans right
now is how did we get to a point where
this could even happen? And how is it possible that
there can be this clear in a since transparency on
the weaponization of the Department of Justice where it's like, okay,
every single time there's bad news for the Biden crime family,
(06:01):
immediately we indict Donald Trump, who is hands down the
front runner now for the GOP nomination. Is this not
political interference the worst we've ever seen in American modern
political history? And is there anyone that can stop them
from doing this. It is almost at this point mind boggling.
Where we are as a country in the United States
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of America in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, unfortunately, we've entered Banana Republic territory. In over two
centuries of our nation's history, no president of the United
States has ever been indicted. We now have a former
president who, as you knowed, is the leading opposition candidate
to be the next president, who's been indicted not once,
not twice, but three times, and in all likelihood it
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will be four times.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That is, we're.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Almost numb to how unprecedented that is. If you look
at this latest indictment, the circumstances of it are highly problematic.
This indictment has been brought in DC. The case was
assigned to a federal district judge, a judge named Tanya Chutkin.
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Judge Chutkin was appointed to the DC District Court by
Barack Obama, and she has a reputation for being far left,
even by DC District court standards. Judge Chutkin, for example,
has set aside numerous federal death penalty cases, and she
is the only federal judge in Washington, d C. Who
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is sentenced January sixth. Defendants to sentences longer than the
government requested. So in terms of the judge, we can
anticipate a judge who is going to be relentlessly hostile
to Donald Trump, who is going to bend over backwards
for the Biden DOJ, and who is going to make
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ruling after ruling after ruling again against Trump. She wants
this to go to trial. Not to be clear, she
doesn't want this to go to trial now. She didn't
want it to go to trial in a week. She
didn't want to go trial in a month. DOJ wants
Trump to get the nomination so this trial can't happen
too quickly. They want it to happen after he's nominated,
but before the general election. And I will tell you,
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if it goes to trial, you will have a jury
that is drawn from the District of Columbia. The District
of Columbia is the jurisdiction in the United States that
is the most Democrat of any jurisdiction in the country
in terms of a district or a state. Over ninety
percent of the voters in DC vote Democrat, voted for
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Joe Biden, voted for Hillary Clinton. Consistently vote Democrat. They
are not Donald Trump's supporters. The likelihood that a DC
jury will vote to convict Donald Trump is exceptionally high,
and the facts don't matter, the laws don't matter.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
They hate him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
That's a big part of the reason why the Biden
DOJ wants to bring this case in DC, which means
with a far left judge and a far left jury,
there is a very real possibility that Donald Trump ends
up being convicted. Now, I think on appeal that conviction
(09:25):
will not stand, but it might stand in the DC circuit.
An appeal would go to the DC circuit. It would
depend what panel you get on the DC circuit whether
a conviction would stand. I think the ultimate outcome of
any Donald Trump conviction on this indictment would be a
reversal in all likelihood at the US Supreme Court. I
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would note the last time Jack Smith played this game,
the last time Jack Smith indicted a serious, credible Republican
presidential candidate, and pause for a second. Merrick Garland and
DOJ found I think the only guy on the planet
as far as i'm I know, who was previously indicted
a leading candidate for president that was a Republican. They
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brought him back and said, hey, you did that so well,
would you do it again. The last time Jack Smith
did that was Bob McDonald, then the governor of Virginia.
He got a conviction and it went all the way
to the Supreme Court and it was unanimously reversed. But
you know what, if that happens in this case, that'll
be two three years from now, that'll be after the election.
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That will be with Bob McDonald. Jack Smith had done
his job. The job was not to put him in jail.
The job was to hurt him politically, to take him out,
to destroy his career. And he succeeded in doing that,
even though it was lawless. And what is dangerous about
this particular indictment with a judge and a jury that
are likely to be stacked against Donald Trump and in
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fact loathe Donald Trump. That is a very dangerous scenario.
That is I think exceptionally bad a for the rule
of law, but be for democracy. Whether you want Donald
Trump to be the next president or not, that question
should not be answered by a corrupt Department of Justice
weaponizing the legal system.
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This is about the timing. There was an interesting point
that was made about the timing of this, and Jonathan
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Turley also talked about the disinformation aspect of this indictment.
He said, it's all part of the First Amendment. Take
a listen, and I want to get your take.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And one of the things I was looking for is
I assumed that Smith had this type of aha moment,
that there's something in there that the January sixth Committee
didn't find that supported we heard about witness tampering. It's
not in there. I mean, everything in this indictment is
basically what has been discussed in the news now. By
the way, the other thing that is not in here
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is conspiracy for incitement not in here is a seditious conspiracy.
Those were the claims the Democrats used in the impeachment
and said that the evidence was absolutely clear people like
Shift and others, that he's clearly guilty of those crimes.
Well they're not in here. Instead, he's using the favorite
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of prosecutors, these type of conspiracy and obstruction claims.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean, you hear Turley talk about that center, and
before we get to even just some of the timing
aspects of this, the way he's describing it is, this
is an incredibly weak case to bring it forward. So
is it not just to tie up Donald Trump from
having to deal with this and to claim that he's,
you know, under indictment, he's got a mug shot and
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that he could go to prison. You don't want that
got to be your president. That's election interference one oh one.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, of course it is. And they want to go
even further. They want a conviction. You understand, this Department
of Justice hates Donald Trump and they've given up any
pretense of impartiality of objectivity. We've seen it with their
complete double standard when it comes to Hunter Biden and
his pattern of criminal conduct. We've seen it with their
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repeated willingness to obstruct justice and cover up investigations into
Joe Biden. For them, partisan politics has superseded the responsibility
of fidelity to law. A major reason I believe for
the timing of it is because the Devon Archer testimony
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was incredibly damaging to Joe Biden. And look, let's give
a real and practical example. So this podcast is coming
out Wednesday morning. You and I got online to record
it Tuesday afternoon. We had an entire podcast planned on
Devon Archer, on the testimony that was given that was
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highly significant. That should have led the podcast. It should
have led the news in any sane world, it would
have led the six o'clock news everywhere. But as we're
sitting there preparing for the podcast to come out Wednesday morning,
we start getting over the phone information that Trump had
tweeted out that he was going to be in at
five pm. We were recording at about three pm, and
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we look at that and go, well, we can't record
this if he's indicted at five pm, because the podcast
will be ridiculous if it doesn't actually.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Talk about that.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So you know what it did for this podcast, It
drove the Devon Archer story off the news. Now we're
going to cover Devon Archer, but it pushed it to
the second half of the podcast. And if this podcast
gives in to that pressure, if it succeeds in driving
Devon Archer off the front page here, what do you
think it is doing on every single corporate media and
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TV news station. That was the objective, provide salacious news
to cover up anything that hurts Joe Biden. I do
not think it is an accident that this was handed
down the day after the Devon Archer testimony. And mind you,
and if you go back and listen to Monday at
Monday's podcast, you know this. The Apartment of Justice this
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weekend sent a let to the court asking the court
a different federal court, but the court that's considering the
Devin Archer case and threaten him right before his congressional testimony.
This is all part and parcel of the Department of
Justice operating like the legal arm of the DNC.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Center. It's not just that, but also the media now
is really trying to rewrite the story of the corruption
of Hunter Biden and the Hunter Biden criminal activity with
the President of United States of America. They lied to
the American people over and over again and helped sell
the lie at the White House that Joe Biden never
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spoke to his son or any of his family members
about business. Then they allowed that cover up of that
lie to turn into well, Joe Biden was never in
business with his family members or his son, Hunter Biden.
And now they're saying that the President working the phones
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with Hunter biden business contacts is literally him just being
a great dad. Now, virtually everybody in the mainstream media
has been saying this over the last twenty four to
forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
We've got a montage of it.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Take a listend did nothing, nothing, not even approximating improper.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Much less wrong or illegal.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
It's wishful thinking.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They're trying to create a scandal.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Think it's pretty clear, at least so far, there is
nothing there.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
House Republicans continue their search for any proof at all
tying President Joe Biden to his son Hunter's business dealings.
Joe Biden had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business dealings.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Because they wanted they wanted dirty of Biden's name.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Do you know Republicans have been trying to use Hunter
Biden's behavior against the President did not know about anything
that Hunter Biden was doing.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Seeing that Biden was simply involved in his son's life
in a personal capacity, Republicans from consistently trying to make
this argument and create the illusion of some malfeasans being there.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Spoke to business associates of Hunter Biden to say hello,
to have small talk, casual conversation.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Hunter Biden talked to his dad on the phone all
the time. They talked basically every day. Sometimes Joe Biden
would say hello to the people in the room if
he popped in or on the phone or whatever.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
They saw casual conversation, niceties, the weather.
Speaker 8 (19:28):
They never discussed the business. These were more of just
cordial hello types of conversations.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Business was never discussed on those calls, and.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
There was more casual sort of check ins, casual conversations.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
President Biden might have said, hey, putting me on speakerphone,
you know, are you having a business meeting? Like what
is that about? But do you hang up on your
front on your side?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Bo Biden, Hunter's brother and President Biden's son was very
ill with cancer and then passed away. That, as the
witness today testified, was what these conversations and these calls
were about and we should put this in context. This
is the time when Bo Biden, the President's other son,
was ill and then dying and then passed away.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Very fraud and sad time for the Biden family, and
we know how important family is to the president. They're
doing Donald Trump's.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
They ain't going after Hunter Biden trying to create a
tie to the president. This is a this is.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
A political move here, it is It is a politics thing,
right inasmuch as it's anything else fair, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
It does not appear to have been a directed business
tie because right now, you don't see any conduct that's
illegal that there is regulational law that's prohibiting it, even
though it might be highly unethical. I don't see high crimes,
and mister readers, I don't even see a low crime.
I see a son who's using his father, people.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
With famous laugh names, using them for their own purposes.
People in your families, they're near do wells. This is
as old as time.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Old as time that there's as much career.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Biden working the phones with his son was just him
being a great dad, right, Hunter Biden talking to us
down the phone all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They talk basically every day.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Sometimes Joe would say hello to people in the room
if he popped in or on the phone, whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right, this is their exact words.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
The media is lying to you like they would cover
up for communists in China, for Vladimir Putin and Russia.
And they're doing it all synchronized, just like that music,
just like that montage. Now we had something interesting to
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the reason why you're not hearing a response months right
now from Senator Cruz, because look, we always try to
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we could, but as we were taping this at midnight,
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Where we are.
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Welcome. It is a verdict.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Was center Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you the breaking news.
Biden's Department of Justice has indicted President Donald Trump yet
again for new charges.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Related to January the sixth.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
This is the same guy that's leading in the polls,
in some polls by as much as fifty points. So
why did this happen? Let's go through a quick timeline
for you. June the seventh, the FBI released documents to
Congress alleging that the Bidens took a ten million dollar
bribe from Barisma. What happened the very next day, June eighth,
(00:36):
Jack Smith indicted Trump in the Marlago document case. Fast
forward to July the twenty sixth, Hunter Biden goes to
court and rejects this sweetheart plea deal for the judge
said uh uh, after it was revealed that the Biden
Department of Justice tried to give Hunter Biden blanket immunity
from all future prosecutions. The very next day, after that
(01:00):
sweetheart deal fell apart, on July the twenty seventh, Jack
Smith added more charges for Trump in the Marlago case.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Move.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Just a few days later, to July the thirty first, Hunter,
Biden's former business partner testifies to Congress Devin Archer that
Joe Biden was on over twenty calls with his son's
business partners and that Barism executives pressured them to fire
the prosecutor. What happened the very next day? Jack Smith
(01:31):
indicts Trump again for more charges related to January the
sixth Senator? Is there a coincidence with a day after
day timeline I just gave you? Or is this possible
retribution for how dare you challenge us?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Look?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Is it is not subtle and it's not complicated. This
is straight out election interference by the Biden Department of Justice.
We have talked at great length about how incredibly politicized
the Department of Justice is. You're right, the timing every
time there's a development on evidence of corruption or criminal
misconduct by Hunter Biden were, in particular Joe Biden. The
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next day you see the Department of Justice try to
change the narrative, try to break news. I am not
surprised at all that this indictment came down yesterday. Why
is that? Because they desperately wanted to drive off of
the news. Devin Archer's testimony that was very bad for
Joe Biden, and the best way to do it is
(02:28):
to count on the useful idiots in the media who
will happily echo their latest charges against Donald Trump. We
are looking right now at three different indictments of Donald Trump,
one state and two federal, and in all likelihood we'll
see a fourth indictment of Donald Trump in Atlanta from
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another state prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
This one was.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Supposed to be the big, big Enchilada. This is the
one that democrats and the corporate media have been salivating for.
This was finally gonna get him. They are kept in
a have and he is there, Moby Dick, and they
want to get Donald Trump. And I gotta say I
sat down and read this indictment and my biggest sentence
(03:14):
was that it was thoroughly underwhelming. There's very little there.
There's very little new in this indictment that you couldn't
get reading the pages of the Washington Post in the
days after the twenty twenty election leading up to January sixth,
almost all of this has been covered in the newspapers.
(03:36):
And essentially, what this indictment does is take all the facts,
and in particular, they really really really don't like that
Donald Trump alleged that there was voter fraud in the
twenty twenty election and that it changed the outcome. Now
I get that they don't like that, but not liking
it is not the same as saying Trump saying that
(04:00):
on Twitter, on any mountaintop from which you could say
it is somehow criminal conduct. And I think, you know,
looking at this, I was surprised, after all this investigation,
after millions of dollars, after prosecutors with subpoena power, putting
people at risk of going to jail, I was surprised
(04:21):
that there wasn't a smoking gun in here. There wasn't
something that frankly breaks news. At this point, the only
news is Aha, they indicted him, and then they get
to repeat everything they said for the last two years.
This is a political indictment brought by a political prosecutor,
working for a political attorney general, working for a political
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president who does not want to risk losing to Donald
Trump in November of twenty twenty four. And what Joe Biden,
what Merrick Garland, what Jack Smith? What all the apparaticks
in the Biden Justice Department want? Is they want number one.
They want Trump to win the Republican nomination, and they've
now figured out every time they indict Trump, his numbers
(05:06):
go up in the primary. That makes them really happy.
They want Trump to be the nominee and the number two.
Their nirvana is to have multiple criminal trials against Donald Trump,
all proceeding ideally in September and October of twenty twenty four,
and they believe they'll throw so much mud on the
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wall that Trump will be unelectable. That's their political objective.
I understand why they have that political objective, but it's
not the rule of law. It's not what the Department
of Justice is supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
My question for you and for so many Americans right
now is how did we get to a point where
this could even happen? And how is it possible that
there can be this clear in a since transparency on
the weaponization of the Department of Justice where it's like, okay,
every single time there's bad news for the Biden crime family,
(06:01):
immediately we indict Donald Trump, who is hands down the
front runner now for the GOP nomination. Is this not
political interference the worst we've ever seen in American modern
political history? And is there anyone that can stop them
from doing this. It is almost at this point mind boggling.
Where we are as a country in the United States
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of America in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, unfortunately, we've entered Banana Republic territory. In over two
centuries of our nation's history, no president of the United
States has ever been indicted. We now have a former
president who, as you knowed, is the leading opposition candidate
to be the next president, who's been indicted not once,
not twice, but three times, and in all likelihood it
(06:45):
will be four times.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That is, we're.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Almost numb to how unprecedented that is. If you look
at this latest indictment, the circumstances of it are highly problematic.
This indictment has been brought in DC. The case was
assigned to a federal district judge, a judge named Tanya Chutkin.
(07:13):
Judge Chutkin was appointed to the DC District Court by
Barack Obama, and she has a reputation for being far left,
even by DC District court standards. Judge Chutkin, for example,
has set aside numerous federal death penalty cases, and she
is the only federal judge in Washington, d C. Who
(07:36):
is sentenced January sixth. Defendants to sentences longer than the
government requested. So in terms of the judge, we can
anticipate a judge who is going to be relentlessly hostile
to Donald Trump, who is going to bend over backwards
for the Biden DOJ, and who is going to make
(07:58):
ruling after ruling after ruling again against Trump. She wants
this to go to trial. Not to be clear, she
doesn't want this to go to trial now. She didn't
want it to go to trial in a week. She
didn't want to go trial in a month. DOJ wants
Trump to get the nomination so this trial can't happen
too quickly. They want it to happen after he's nominated,
but before the general election. And I will tell you,
(08:19):
if it goes to trial, you will have a jury
that is drawn from the District of Columbia. The District
of Columbia is the jurisdiction in the United States that
is the most Democrat of any jurisdiction in the country
in terms of a district or a state. Over ninety
percent of the voters in DC vote Democrat, voted for
(08:42):
Joe Biden, voted for Hillary Clinton. Consistently vote Democrat. They
are not Donald Trump's supporters. The likelihood that a DC
jury will vote to convict Donald Trump is exceptionally high,
and the facts don't matter, the laws don't matter.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
They hate him.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
That's a big part of the reason why the Biden
DOJ wants to bring this case in DC, which means
with a far left judge and a far left jury,
there is a very real possibility that Donald Trump ends
up being convicted. Now, I think on appeal that conviction
(09:25):
will not stand, but it might stand in the DC circuit.
An appeal would go to the DC circuit. It would
depend what panel you get on the DC circuit whether
a conviction would stand. I think the ultimate outcome of
any Donald Trump conviction on this indictment would be a
reversal in all likelihood at the US Supreme Court. I
(09:48):
would note the last time Jack Smith played this game,
the last time Jack Smith indicted a serious, credible Republican
presidential candidate, and pause for a second. Merrick Garland and
DOJ found I think the only guy on the planet
as far as i'm I know, who was previously indicted
a leading candidate for president that was a Republican. They
(10:09):
brought him back and said, hey, you did that so well,
would you do it again. The last time Jack Smith
did that was Bob McDonald, then the governor of Virginia.
He got a conviction and it went all the way
to the Supreme Court and it was unanimously reversed. But
you know what, if that happens in this case, that'll
be two three years from now, that'll be after the election.
(10:32):
That will be with Bob McDonald. Jack Smith had done
his job. The job was not to put him in jail.
The job was to hurt him politically, to take him out,
to destroy his career. And he succeeded in doing that,
even though it was lawless. And what is dangerous about
this particular indictment with a judge and a jury that
are likely to be stacked against Donald Trump and in
(10:56):
fact loathe Donald Trump. That is a very dangerous scenario.
That is I think exceptionally bad a for the rule
of law, but be for democracy. Whether you want Donald
Trump to be the next president or not, that question
should not be answered by a corrupt Department of Justice
weaponizing the legal system.
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This is about the timing. There was an interesting point
that was made about the timing of this, and Jonathan
(13:12):
Turley also talked about the disinformation aspect of this indictment.
He said, it's all part of the First Amendment. Take
a listen, and I want to get your take.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And one of the things I was looking for is
I assumed that Smith had this type of aha moment,
that there's something in there that the January sixth Committee
didn't find that supported we heard about witness tampering. It's
not in there. I mean, everything in this indictment is
basically what has been discussed in the news now. By
the way, the other thing that is not in here
(13:45):
is conspiracy for incitement not in here is a seditious conspiracy.
Those were the claims the Democrats used in the impeachment
and said that the evidence was absolutely clear people like
Shift and others, that he's clearly guilty of those crimes.
Well they're not in here. Instead, he's using the favorite
(14:06):
of prosecutors, these type of conspiracy and obstruction claims.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean, you hear Turley talk about that center, and
before we get to even just some of the timing
aspects of this, the way he's describing it is, this
is an incredibly weak case to bring it forward. So
is it not just to tie up Donald Trump from
having to deal with this and to claim that he's,
you know, under indictment, he's got a mug shot and
(14:32):
that he could go to prison. You don't want that
got to be your president. That's election interference one oh one.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, of course it is. And they want to go
even further. They want a conviction. You understand, this Department
of Justice hates Donald Trump and they've given up any
pretense of impartiality of objectivity. We've seen it with their
complete double standard when it comes to Hunter Biden and
his pattern of criminal conduct. We've seen it with their
(15:01):
repeated willingness to obstruct justice and cover up investigations into
Joe Biden. For them, partisan politics has superseded the responsibility
of fidelity to law. A major reason I believe for
the timing of it is because the Devon Archer testimony
(15:21):
was incredibly damaging to Joe Biden. And look, let's give
a real and practical example. So this podcast is coming
out Wednesday morning. You and I got online to record
it Tuesday afternoon. We had an entire podcast planned on
Devon Archer, on the testimony that was given that was
(15:42):
highly significant. That should have led the podcast. It should
have led the news in any sane world, it would
have led the six o'clock news everywhere. But as we're
sitting there preparing for the podcast to come out Wednesday morning,
we start getting over the phone information that Trump had
tweeted out that he was going to be in at
five pm. We were recording at about three pm, and
(16:03):
we look at that and go, well, we can't record
this if he's indicted at five pm, because the podcast
will be ridiculous if it doesn't actually.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Talk about that.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So you know what it did for this podcast, It
drove the Devon Archer story off the news. Now we're
going to cover Devon Archer, but it pushed it to
the second half of the podcast. And if this podcast
gives in to that pressure, if it succeeds in driving
Devon Archer off the front page here, what do you
think it is doing on every single corporate media and
(16:35):
TV news station. That was the objective, provide salacious news
to cover up anything that hurts Joe Biden. I do
not think it is an accident that this was handed
down the day after the Devon Archer testimony. And mind you,
and if you go back and listen to Monday at
Monday's podcast, you know this. The Apartment of Justice this
(16:57):
weekend sent a let to the court asking the court
a different federal court, but the court that's considering the
Devin Archer case and threaten him right before his congressional testimony.
This is all part and parcel of the Department of
Justice operating like the legal arm of the DNC.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Center. It's not just that, but also the media now
is really trying to rewrite the story of the corruption
of Hunter Biden and the Hunter Biden criminal activity with
the President of United States of America. They lied to
the American people over and over again and helped sell
the lie at the White House that Joe Biden never
(17:40):
spoke to his son or any of his family members
about business. Then they allowed that cover up of that
lie to turn into well, Joe Biden was never in
business with his family members or his son, Hunter Biden.
And now they're saying that the President working the phones
(18:01):
with Hunter biden business contacts is literally him just being
a great dad. Now, virtually everybody in the mainstream media
has been saying this over the last twenty four to
forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
We've got a montage of it.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Take a listend did nothing, nothing, not even approximating improper.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Much less wrong or illegal.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
It's wishful thinking.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They're trying to create a scandal.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Think it's pretty clear, at least so far, there is
nothing there.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
House Republicans continue their search for any proof at all
tying President Joe Biden to his son Hunter's business dealings.
Joe Biden had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business dealings.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Because they wanted they wanted dirty of Biden's name.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Do you know Republicans have been trying to use Hunter
Biden's behavior against the President did not know about anything
that Hunter Biden was doing.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Seeing that Biden was simply involved in his son's life
in a personal capacity, Republicans from consistently trying to make
this argument and create the illusion of some malfeasans being there.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Spoke to business associates of Hunter Biden to say hello,
to have small talk, casual conversation.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Hunter Biden talked to his dad on the phone all
the time. They talked basically every day. Sometimes Joe Biden
would say hello to the people in the room if
he popped in or on the phone or whatever.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
They saw casual conversation, niceties, the weather.
Speaker 8 (19:28):
They never discussed the business. These were more of just
cordial hello types of conversations.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Business was never discussed on those calls, and.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
There was more casual sort of check ins, casual conversations.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
President Biden might have said, hey, putting me on speakerphone,
you know, are you having a business meeting? Like what
is that about? But do you hang up on your
front on your side?
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Bo Biden, Hunter's brother and President Biden's son was very
ill with cancer and then passed away. That, as the
witness today testified, was what these conversations and these calls
were about and we should put this in context. This
is the time when Bo Biden, the President's other son,
was ill and then dying and then passed away.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Very fraud and sad time for the Biden family, and
we know how important family is to the president. They're
doing Donald Trump's.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
They ain't going after Hunter Biden trying to create a
tie to the president. This is a this is.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
A political move here, it is It is a politics thing,
right inasmuch as it's anything else fair, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
I think so.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
It does not appear to have been a directed business
tie because right now, you don't see any conduct that's
illegal that there is regulational law that's prohibiting it, even
though it might be highly unethical. I don't see high crimes,
and mister readers, I don't even see a low crime.
I see a son who's using his father, people.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
With famous laugh names, using them for their own purposes.
People in your families, they're near do wells. This is
as old as time.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Old as time that there's as much career.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Biden working the phones with his son was just him
being a great dad, right, Hunter Biden talking to us
down the phone all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They talk basically every day.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Sometimes Joe would say hello to people in the room
if he popped in or on the phone, whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right, this is their exact words.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
The media is lying to you like they would cover
up for communists in China, for Vladimir Putin and Russia.
And they're doing it all synchronized, just like that music,
just like that montage. Now we had something interesting to
happen when we do this podcast, I want to bring
you behind the scenes for a moment, just so you understand.
(21:38):
I'm usually in one location, Senator take cruises in another.
We both connect through this technology called com Rex. While
we were taping there looked to be in a power
surge that blew out our piece of equipment, this com
rex where the center is, and we did everything to
try to get reconnection, couldn't do it. So this is
(21:58):
the reason why you're not hearing a response months right
now from Senator Cruz, because look, we always try to
just tell you how it works here on the show.
This is how it works with technology. We try to troubleshoot.
I can promise you, Senator Cruz, are not going to
become engineers anytime soon. In broadcasting. We did the best
we could, but as we were taping this at midnight,
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this is.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Where we are.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So we will be back on Friday and continue this conversation,
which is obviously very important. But I just wanted you
to know what just happened, and that's how that's why
you're not hearing the senator's voice right now. So I
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