April Questions

folks, we're back with more patron questions to answer. we are still catching up, so we dive in and discuss Medieval reclamation of pagan myths, land management practices, political pragmatism, funerary customs, regional political differences, weird English town names, and whether the Catholic Church could've successfully reformed itself enough to stave off the Reformation. check it out!

English town names mentioned:

• Wolfardisworthy
• Goonhilly
• Westward Ho!
• Polzeath
• Tredinnick
• Alnwick
• Leominster
• Frome
• Wymondham
• Godmanchester
• Meopham
• Weston Super-Mare
• Yeovil
• Honiton

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
What's up Bra?

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Not much? What's going on with you?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, I have to I have to start off our
conversation today with an accountability chat because because Justin listens
to what were our podcasts the other day and he
was very upset about the things that I said about
our team, Darby County, the Mighty Rams. Okay, So first

(00:33):
of all, he needed me to point out that we
are not ship. We were ship.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
But I have a question, can I can I ask
number one? I assume he's using the royal we to
refer to himself with the team, which I do as
well and will not accept any criticism for because if
I've put as much of my mental uh wherewithal into
these morons going to you know, they're gonna be we

(01:02):
and that's all there is to it. And number two,
are you included in we?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay? So yes, this is something that I've been asked
because apparently if I had said we are ship, then
it would have been endearing, yes and also correct, and
I believe the direct term was lovable, and so that's

(01:28):
so I'm just you know, to be clear. You know,
I've got sexually transmitted Darby County, and so you know,
I'm I'm taking responsibility for that. As part of this,
he did make me listen to the game while we
walked to the pub yesterday and I give him updates

(01:48):
on what was happening, because since he can only hear
out of one ear, if he has the game in
one ear, then that's it. So then I had to
feel like and we won three one, so in your
face west Brom and he's like, what's going on now?
And I'm like, oh, there's a lot of singing and
he's like west Brom or Derby and I'm like Derby
and it's like Dorby, whoa. He's like nice, Yeah, that's good.

(02:14):
That's good. So we have a new manager and since
he's taken over, we are six and eight and we
are not in the relegation zone anymore. Now are we
right above the relegation zone?

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes, and are we not in it because of differential
not points? Also yes, yes, that is correct. But you
know these are these are.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
But you know that episode of The Simpsons where Marge
starts selling pretzels and she goes to deliver pretzels to
the elementary school and Principal Skinner's got like a broken
hand and there's a gun sight on him, like as
he says he he had a boking accident. I assume

(03:09):
that's what's happening right now and I just can't see all. Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, look, had a wonderful time with my in laws
in Darby. Thank you very much. No for the questions,
you're honor go the Rams. Yes, I think I think
I've made I think I've made my points clear.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Uh you uh you know I can't. No, you can't
go go go Rams, Go Rams.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's right, that's right, an official RAMS podcast. We're not
so different.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's a man. I don't I'm trying to think you.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Looks like I'm not sure if we're going this are.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
No, No, no, I don't know that I could. I
don't know that I could get my wife to do
that if I tried. Yeah, it's uh, you know sports fandom.
I love it. People are like, oh, it's stupid. I'm like, yeah,
I mean okay, correct and uh yeah, you know it

(04:22):
is what it is. You can't you can't do anything
about it.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I don't know. I find it an amazing way
to pass the time.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
It is. I think it is. I think you could,
you know, you could do worse, but here you are. Well.
You know, yesterday I woke up and I was like, huh, well,
I'll do what I normally do and look at my
phone in the bed, make myself mad before I even
stand up. But yes yesterday, yesterday was a little different

(04:52):
because as soon as I picked up my phone and
opened up social media, I saw a post that said,
let's see mm hmm Vatican delt mott des poops Francois
ass out rt L Luitzburg, which is a news or

(05:18):
poop in Luxembourg. And that is and this is a
black and white picture of Pope Francis. That is how
I found out that Francis died Des poops Francois asked
out And just to be clear, it is poops p
O O P S T Francoise, you know, like the

(05:38):
French building of and ass A S S doubt d
O U T. So Pope Francis died ass out.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Do you know what? I would also die if someone
put my ass in doubt, I'd be like, I just die.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
What what purpose does it save?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Tell you Luxembourg? Should we should put a stop to it?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I say that as one of the world's foremost Luxembourg historians.
And by that I mean the dynasty, not the place. Uh,
you know, but I'm allowed to say it, right, I.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, I don't know anything about about Luxembourg. I did
not that luxembourg Ish was its own language, although it
shouldn't be. I thought it. I honestly thought it was
a kind of like a dialect of French. But you know,
here we are.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
We're gonna hit me with poops asked out. I don't,
I can't. I can't tell if I like the language
more or less as a result of this, but you know, yeah, oops,
that's really good.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah. So yeah, Francis, rip rip to a one of
the ones, to one of the ones, one of the
guys to do things. He did some stuff which you'd
done a lot more stuff. Rip to him. If you're
looking for the episode on conclaves plural, come back next week,

(07:06):
come back back. Yeah, you gotta give us a little
more time to summarize a thousand years where they were, like,
I don't know what if we just they all stood
around in a ring and punched each other until one
of us, figure uh till the holiest one of us
came out and they're like, yeah, that's fine, we'll change it.
We'll change it.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Thirty years, it's good.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, So if you're looking for that next time, we'll
be back. And that is conclaves plural, not the movie Conclave,
which we should probably do something on but later. I
don't have time for that right now.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, look at the Pope has died. I don't have
time for all that. Like, it is very funny to
work in one of the only careers I got air
quotes careers there where this constituted an actual emergency for
me yesterday.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, like we we we really should have done an
emergency pod, like get on it. You know, we're all
like coughing and ragged like all night. Uh talking to
h talking to to my buddy he's a sinishal there.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Uh yeah, yeah, I was busy being in Darbyshire at
the pub though, Oh yeah I was.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I was. I was busy. I was busy cleaning the
house and then reading, taking an inordinate amount of time
to read up on old conclaves and being like wow,
yeah that's great, Like you guys are just you were
really all over the place, uh with this ship for
like a thousand years. No no real uh no real process.

(08:42):
And I find that uh endearing to say, yeah, uh okay,
we'll talk. We'll talk more about all that next time
we gotta do this. Uh. We'll also we're gonna have
a du bonus episode on uh camera on the Cameron
uh part three. We will be back with that on Friday.

(09:03):
But yeah, all right here we unless you have any
more uh uh Derby report statements that you want to
make about Darby before before your handler shows up again.
I'm just yeah, yeah, just as a good guy. I'm
just kidding.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I mean the statement I'd always like to make about
Derby as some of the best pubs in the UK
crack and crack in town.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
We go, yeah, there we go, go go Derby, go
rams as always right, my heart is divided between FC
Barcelona and Darby. Uh you know, Darby is my flaying,
even though I barely know where it is in the UK.
That's right. That's really bad with UK geography, which is
weird because I can, like in my mind, I can
picture like uh like you know, the Levant and all

(09:53):
that and and you know, like uh and and South
and Central America. But I'm like England, Hm, hmmm, it's London.
London is in the North, right, like Wayne, No, I'm
just kidding, come on, I'm not that Yeah, yeah, London
is so mad forbid in the North. I don't know

(10:14):
what accent that was, don't ask. All right, there we go,

(10:51):
Hello and welcome back to We're Not So Different, a
podcast where I can ever sett al on a British
accent that I want to do. My name is Luke
and I'm an amateur medievalist. As always, I'm joined by
doctor Ellen Riannica, who is anything. But today we've got questions.
Questions I used to h I used to have a teacher,

(11:15):
she said, questions she she she was just like we
already have any questions. It was like, why is there
an R in there? You don't like you don't do that?
It like it had to like I have no idea
what it was, because she didn't really talk like that
oddly or anything, because she w wasn't like Hurler or wherever,
you know, just like she wouldn't look sweetish cheffing it

(11:35):
up or anything. Anyway, I don't know why I did that, Folks.
We promised we would do one of these mailback episodes
every month. Until we caught up on patron questions. And
wouldn't you know it, we haven't caught up yet. Uh
So here is your April Q and A sesh as always,
if you want to ask us questions like these that
we will get to in the long, eventual span of time. Remember, folks,

(11:57):
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(12:18):
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Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, your ass seem thicker.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yes, you will not be asked out. You will not
be asked out. No, you will not be poops to
ass out. We know that for a fact. Uh man,
unless the next Pope listens to the show. If you
are the next Pope or actually even in the running
to be the next Pope, and you listen to the show,
please email uh us. I want to talk I don't

(12:57):
speak Latin or Italian or whatever language you speak unless
it's English. But I'll figure out a way to make
it work. God damn it. All right, you probably know
English because that's kind.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Of right in Latin. I'll write back.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
It'll be like, uh, Dominee and I through Google Translate
and he's like, what the fuck is this? These aren't
even real? This isn't Latin. Did you take this from
like a Castlevania game? What is going on? Right?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Back? In pig Latin?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, hope, pop a or Pope. God damn it, I
can't even do it, idiot. Oh, I can't even do
pig Latin right, good God? All right, let's get started.
Why trash historian says, can we do a segment on
medieval reclamation of Greek and Roman myths? Like how Penthes

(13:51):
I don't even know became a romantic chivalric Heroinah.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
So, yeah, there's rather a lot of this about unsurprisingly,
I mean to be fair, like a lot of the
time they just kind of keep going, yeah, with the
like varying myths. You know, they're always telling those they've
they've always got time for the Indian, They've always got
time for the Odyssey, et cetera, et cetera. But you

(14:17):
do see these kind of reappropriations of things, especially a
lot of the time as art motifs, so in as
stories about like the empty tomb or things like that.
Sometimes you'll have like Orpheus and Eurydice as of the
picture in Bibles, which is which is you know, you

(14:38):
know you see like Hercules wrestling the name in Lion
and that's kind of like used as an allegory for
strength or fortitude things like that. So yeah, they'll they'll
kind of like chop and change things, or they will
have people exist as you know, in their own world.

(14:59):
So Pencil, she's she's like an Amazonian queen and let's
so it's like this is an opportunity to write stories
about women being being Amazon's you know it was which would
like so you can do like kind of chival ricktails
with them and and that's considered a very cool thing
to do. And I mean, like all of it isn't surprising.

(15:20):
You know, we still do this ship now, So you
get plenty of references to classical literature and art just
as they are, but you know, they'll chop it up.
We'll move around with it, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's I mean, if you if you, if you like
consider yourselves like the inheritors of Rome or whatever, the
Roman and Greek educational legacies, then I mean like yeah,
you're gonna you're you're gonna throw uh, you're gonna throw
these old characters in there, and you just they just
get remade for you know, the present day with you know,

(15:57):
whatever you need. It's like how you know, like when Batman,
like Batman is you know not is not based on
anything old, but like how bat when Batman came out,
Batman was like a scientist, like he did science experiments,
he did stuff like that, and he was also kind
of a detective and he fought things. And now he's
mostly just like a superhero who has much cool stuff,

(16:18):
who who does detective work. He's not really like in
he's not you know, they don't really focus on that
as much anymore. And it's like how Superman has kind
of been like a Jesus archetype for so long, even
though he was created by Jewish uh creators who you know,
created him with very much like him, you know, not

(16:39):
you know, not being a Christian or anything in mind,
but the story has just changed and they adapt to
two different things into different uh, different aspects of society,
you know, and we did the the Inferno. Dante was
like all over that ship. He's just slamming things together.
And they have enough cognitive dissonance or it doesn't matter

(17:01):
enough to them that they could just be like, yeah, uh,
Jesus got killed by the Romans, but then the Romans
became Christians, so that's okay, you know, and if you
if you can, if you can leap past that, if
you can leap past the Roman Empire having regardless of that,
they thought that that the Jews did it. He was killed,

(17:23):
which isn't correct, but he was killed by the Roman Empire.
The Roman emperor signed off on it. Herod was a
Roman uh uh politician, excuse me, and uh, they signed
off on it. If you can get past that, you
can just get you know, you can say, yeah, you
can have h Ermie, you can have Ermis in there, uh,

(17:46):
you know, being like a Robin Hood figure. You can
have you know, you can have you can have anything
you want because once once you can overcome that hurdle
in your mind of being like, yes, they did this
bad thing, but they atoned for it, and then they
made society better and now we're living in it. And
look how you know, we're trying to recreate them and

(18:06):
blah blah blah. And if you can get over them
killing Christ, I don't really think the rest of it
is that big of a hurdle, although it is. It
is interesting to see how they got there, and like,
you know, they're they're just like they just dropped the
pagan aspects along the way, and they're like, yeah, Zeus
was actually an angel. He was God's buddy.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
They hung out chat for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah, White Treasure story. And thank you very much
for the question. Next we got one from a dog
god who says, was there a big gap in terms
of the types of inner I'm sorry, a big class
gap in terms of the types of entertainment that people enjoyed.
For example, when a musician at court have to specifically
trained to learn songs and instruments that were popular with

(18:52):
the nobility, or would they be playing basically the same
stuff as they would at a market fair or peasant wedding.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's a great question, and the answer is most people
do both, but you probably are going to offer slightly
different things. Like it's going to be bodier out in
the market that. Now, this isn't to say that they
won't also do body for a noble audience. If they're like, yeah,
do some pableau, they'll be like okay, yep, you know,

(19:18):
and then they're in and they'll absolutely go for it.
But as a general rule from the biggest differentiation in
terms of entertainment is just going to be how much
you get. So you get way more when you're at court,
like you can get things constantly, like you'll just have
a musician on hand, like in the same way that
we'll put music on you know, they'll have musicians follow
them around and play things and that and that sort

(19:40):
of deal, which is which is pretty sweet. So yeah,
not not a huge difference. You will probably have to
stay on top of new songs and new ballads if
things are kind of coming through if you're doing things
for a courtly audience, so you're specifically going to have
to stay up on whatever new things are coming out,

(20:00):
and you're going to need a stable of old classics,
whereas you know, you can just be like, uh, there
once was a man from Nantucket.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Like to put his dick in a but yeah, yeah, exactly,
uh huh uh huh oh. Then well, following up on that,
was there I mean, I know this is a modern thing,
but like, was there like a difference between like in
cities or places where there was more like entertainment that
you would go to. Was there a class difference? Like

(20:30):
how there used to be like I'm going to the
opera because I'm fancy, and the clibs would be like,
I'm going down to the move to the one dollar cinema.
Was there like any of that, or was everybody like
I'm going to the bear fights? Fuck it?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I mean, so we got the bear Fights? Is a
lot more like everybody, interestingly, I mean theater is a
little more low class.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yes, yes, as like as as.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
A general rule of thumb, theater is like, well you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Go there, Yeah, I guess if I have to.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, it's like it's like it's like saying that you're going,
You're going like I was at the pornography store, essentially.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I was at the theater.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I was watching the theater exactly, so you know, And
don't get me wrong, they will occasionally have plays, and
certainly the mystery plays are an exception to this as well,
but you you get less theater more particularly this of
course changes in the early modern period and you get

(21:28):
more and more theater happening at court as a result.
But there it'ts a lot more like sing me a
song you there, boy, you know kind of a deal court?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, oh man, Yeah, I definitely don't have anything to
add to that because I don't know anything about that,
but dog got Thank you very much for the question.
Although now I wonder how you know, like in the
Old West, you shoot at a guy's feet and like dance,
dance like you know, they like aiming the crossbow at
the guy's feet like dance and they have to put

(22:00):
it in and wind it and cock it and be
like okay, now dance again. You know. Anyway, that's a
dumb joke that just ran through my head. All right, uh,
I think the only way eleanor you are looking at
this list, yeah, do you don't say them? But do
you know what most of these are? How they're said? Okay?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
But now it's also like in my head and I'm like, oh, like,
because so this is the thing that so English people
will do this to me. Me They'll just be like
say this like I got I got told one.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I was visiting my mates in the Midlands this weekend.
So I was visiting my friends in Leamington and we
were walking down the street that I would say like
bo Champs Street and I, you know, I've made some
crack about him being one handsome champ or something like that,
and he's like, do you want to hear a really
annoying thing about how you pronounce that? And I was like, well,
I guess I do. These motherfuckers just say beach them

(23:01):
beacham beau champ b e a U c h a
m P beacham beacham. I never drives It drives me insane.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Ever ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever want to hear
an English person talk about how I pronounce words or
anything else. I never want to hear it. You have
nothing to stand on. That is fucking insane. And yes,
I know where I'm from and I know how people
pronounce things insane the year. It's fine, We're all kind

(23:36):
of insane. English is a stupid language anyway, half German
bullshit anyway. Uh So, I guess the only way to
do this is uh. The questions from Ali Cantry says,
can we have a segment where Luke goes through a
list of English towns and tries to pronounce them as

(23:57):
best he can. Uh, so I have about fourteen towns.
There was a much longer list, but I had to
pare it down, mostly because God, this can't be that
fun for everyone for that long. Yeah, and you know what,
if you want to hear me pronounce more, maybe we'll
do that at some point. But you know what, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I guess I think that you're gonna have to spell
it and then say it.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, that's what I think. All right, Okay, w O
L F R D I S w O R T
H Y and I will list all of these in
the show notes. Please do not look at your phone
while you're driving, for the love of God. Please, I'm
being completely serious. Please do not. It's not worth it.

(24:46):
I'm going with Wolfersley.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
It's a Woolsury, Woolsary.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
My wife is from a town, a small town, and
uh they pronounced the town weird. But there's a town
near it called It's spelled like Omega, like the Alpha
and Omega, but everyone there calls it Omiga. And I've
always thought that was hilarious because Omiga like how could

(25:17):
you fuck that up? I need you to understand that
is miles better than that is miles better. Uh fuck?
All right? Next one, g O O n h I
L L Y. I'm going with goon Hilly because why not?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It is close, It's goon highly.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, Okay, yeah, okay, I could I can see.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I still think it's wrong. I think it should just
be gooon Hilly, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, well I mean I do too. I think I
think it should be but uh you know, I I
can at least see how you could to get there theoretically,
like over the years, and like this, I could see it.
The other one Wolford's worthy, which is what I'm calling it.
How dare you people?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah? Not right?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Okay. Next one, we got and I love this. We
got W E S T W A R D space
h O exclamation point. I was told that the word
that this town name does have the exclamation point in it,
which I do think it does. Yeah. I love that.
Uh mhm was word ha.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So this is a really tricky one for me because
I don't I don't actually know. Uh, Like I would
just say Westward ho and probably I'd be wrong. But
like I even tried to look this one up and
and it's it is really hard to find.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So I'm just saying westward ha ho. I guess somebody
somebody write us in until us how to pronounce. Actually,
you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put my
head out the door and ask Justin go for it.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Do I will wait until she gets back. I don't
know why I'm singing it.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Like, okay, So Justin says that it is just westward Ho,
and he says, at least that is how important. British
band Half Man, Half Biscuit pronounce it in their song
where they say westward Ho, what.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
A let down, let's go. I'll go with that. I
assume they're the English version of the Old Steady where
I'm just kidding. I love the whole Steady. I've never
heard of that band. I'm sure they're great, though, but yeah,
Westward Ho cool. In Next one, p O l Z

(27:56):
E A T H.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Pulls it pulls you got it pulls?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Nice? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I can see how I can
see how you get there from that. For there, that's
cool all right? Next week, got t R E D
I N N I C K H treadnick uh treaded nick.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I have no I mean, yeah, I think I I
think that it is like uh treadnick or trunnick or
something like that. Uh, but I could be wrong. Corner
people are gonna kind of hunt my ass.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Down there if you If you are not in England,
this segment's probably weird to you. If you are in England,
this is probably one of the funniest things you ever heard. Yeah,
next week got a L N W I c K.
I'm going with on book.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So this is a truly fucked up one and it's
a nook or like or like annak I guess annak.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Oh that's amazing an yeah yeah, oh man, that's that's amazing.
All right. Now we got one with one of my
favorite English traditions. It's the Minster in the name. So
we got l e O m I N s t
e R. And knowing the English, I know that this
is always pronounced real fucked up. Yeah, I'm going with

(29:29):
low muster.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's Lemster.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
You know, I honestly should I should have guessed that
that's my own fault. I really should, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
This is the only reason I know this is because
this is one that they use to torture you with. Okay,
so it's like one of the it's one of the
classic Lemster Yeah, okay, okay, classic one, classic one to
torture Americans with. Yeah. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
We got F R O M E and looks like
from I'm going with Frome.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's froom. Uh yeah, Rome.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
It is f in the word room, so I would
just call it from like foam, but I don't whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's how it's sucking spelled for.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Italian from okay or froom I'm sorry, froom like it
has a U with an um lot Okay, delightful, all right.
Next week got W Y M O N D H
A M and I'm going with Windom.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Got it, Yeah it's Windom. It's Windom.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah. Next week got g O D M A N
C H E S T E R. So it breeds
like god Manchester, but there's no fucking way it's said
like that. So I'm going with Gonster.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well that would be good and actually that makes more sense.
But what I mean makes sense like in the British,
but it's a godmun Chester like god mund Chester, gobin Chester.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I find it interesting when they drop the e R
and when they don't. I really do. Like I felt
like when when the e R gets dropped on something
and it becomes an A or like a like yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Oh, this is one of my favorite ones coming out.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
We got m E O P H A M. I'm
going with Mopham.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's Mephm.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, I can see Okay, I like that. I like that. Yeah,
but uh I can see Mepham. That makes sense, uh
Mapam Mepham. Yeah, okay, mep them cool. Uh. Next week
got w E S t O N space s U
p e R dash m A r E. We got
another punctuation mark in here. We love to see it, folks.

(31:52):
I'm going with Western Superman. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what's super Yeah, like there's not nice. Yeah,
they're just kind of fucking with you on this one.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Nice. There we go, Thanks guys, I appreciate that. Next
week got y E O v I L. I'm going
with Jovial.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
You're correct now. I saw a popular brand of yogurt
yo nice.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah. Yeah, you can't fool me. And you know, I know,
I know, I know Joval. I have no idea what
that is. I hope we have h O N I
t o n I'm going with for any town I
don't honiton, I don't know. It's yeah, there we go, Hontan.

(32:41):
All right, there we go. That one's been sitting there
for a while and I decided to finally do it.
I will happily read uh town names in whatever place
you want me to, provided you uh our patron uh
and you ask. But you know, the long the town
names and the further they get from English, the worst

(33:03):
the segment is. For everybody else spelling like German town names,
It's like thirty letters long, like oh, this is fantastic, Ollie,
and the other like ten people I can't remember in
the discord who contributed to this, and thank you very much.
I'm sorry I can't remember all of you right now.
Next we got one from dog spotter. I've seen people

(33:25):
propose that medieval people walked with a different gait, more
on their toes and a gate. If you don't know,
is just the way of your stride of walking, basically
how you walk? Are these people full of boloney? Do
you know?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I really like, I was trying to look up where
this might come from. It I just genuinely don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I need never heard this, but.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
No, I mean I guess I was thinking that kind
of like sometimes when you see medieval art, people are
a little bit more on their toes, but it's like
oftentimes they're a little bit more on their toes because
they're trying to show you a full foot or like
you know there, or they're dancing, yeah, for example, or
like they're kind of they're trying to like emphasize footwear
a little bit. So it would kind of be like

(34:09):
pretending that porn was the medieval period and be like, wow,
people sure did fuck in ways where you saw their
genitals all the time, and it's like, well, it's just art,
you know, it's not really it's not really like showing
you what's actually happening in real life. I mean, I
guess it could theoretically be pausive, you know, in that

(34:30):
footwear is so incredibly different at the time, but I mean,
most people are wearing clogs in Northern Europe, so I
just don't know why walking on your toes would be
helpful in a clog based situation.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
So I don't, Yeah, I don't know, Like maybe it's
a little different now because we run a lot, like
just running as like a practice a lot more than
they did. They obviously exercised and ran a certain degree,
but like I mean, you know, like little kids in

(35:02):
you know, like elementary school like pe, they you know, like, Okay,
we're gonna you know, we're gonna run, and I mean
they were they literally were not doing that back then.
So I mean maybe it's something with that because your
foot falls a little different as you run. But yeah,
I don't know, I don't know who you heard that from,
dog spotter, Uh, but if you remember and would like
to fill us in, uh, I'd love to hear more

(35:24):
so we can at least, yeah, we can at least
find out, uh you know, maybe they're maybe maybe they do.
Maybe we walk slightly different now for some reason, and
that would be cool to find out too. Either way,
I seriously doubt they were walking like they were wearing
high heels at all times, uh, because, uh, yeah, that
would be stupid. We evolve feet like this for a reason,

(35:46):
and we push off from our heels. That's literally one
of the evolutionary differences we have from apes. Sorry anyway, Uh,
Dogs Potter, thank you for the question. Next, we have
Loaf who says here in California, we suffer annual wildfire
even in winter, and I'm reminded of these most recent
and horrific fires in Los Angeles that before climate change

(36:06):
exacerbated the issue, the problems started with the outlawing of
native land management practices of setting fire to grasslands in
order for fire following calorie dense plants to emerge. This
leads me to wonder what pre industrial land management was
like in the medieval period. Was this mostly the purview
of landlords or were there practices that people that actually

(36:27):
lived on the land were able to maintain. How did
enclosure affect this and do we still use any of
these land management techniques today? Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, So there's a lot of land management going on,
especially when it comes to forestry, because what is genuinely happening,
genuinely generally happening all the time is a lot of
work in terms of copping, so you know, keeping trees
at certain levels so that they can be harvested more
readily for firewood, because you need absolutely tons of fire

(37:00):
would so you're always compassing things and kind of keeping
an eye on the trees, and that usually also involves
the removal of underbrush in order to get to things.
And then when we're talking about forestry and things like that,
there's a fair amount of land management as well. When
it comes to parkland that the nobility used for hunting
because they want the underbrush removed so that they can

(37:23):
gallop horses around and chase deer and that sort of thing.
So that's usually an achieved through controlled burns, which is
super common, but there is also a fair amount of
just running pigs through the woods and they will clean
that undergrowth ride up for you. You know, you can run,
you can run goats through, you can run pigs through,
and they'll just be like yeah, hell yeah, Bram, I'm

(37:45):
eating all of these things, right. But in particular, you
do see woodlands really managed for the purposes of sport,
which have these kind of knock on effects. And so
it was interesting and of note when Europeans arrived in
the Americas, uh well and in particular in North America,
and they were really impressed because they were like, oh wow,

(38:08):
because they were like, I just I don't see any
Native people, like they're not like people to be. They're like,
oh wow, it's like parkland here. Yeah, all this wilderness
is like parkland. It's like yeah, it's because it's being
fucking managed to idiots, like you know, it's odd.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
As they Yeah, they used yeah fire management to uh,
to deal with their to deal with the forests and everything.
I have seen it and heard it said that Europeans
were very scared of fire and that fire management techniques

(38:40):
really freaked them out, which is why they weren't used
a lot as much in Western society for a while
until later, because they were like, no, that's the native
way of doing it. We're going to do this other thing.
And it's like, well, yeah, the native people did it
because it worked, and you guys did. But I don't
remember exactly where I heard that, so you know that

(39:03):
I made.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Well, that is the thing because with enclosure, you see, uh,
these processes kind of die out right because it's like
you can't you can't like CorV anybody to come manage
your your forest for you and do all these things.
So these particular practices kind of fade out. And then
a couple hundred years later, when you come into contact
with other peoples and you want a differentiation point in

(39:26):
order to dehumanize them, then you go, oh, we were
never doing it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Let shut the fuck up. Yeah, you know, so, uh
you know, yeah, they they definitely practice their own land
management there, but uh you know, maybe we're also scared
of fire. Who knows. Yeah anyway, uh yeah, love, thank

(39:54):
you very much for the question, and uh sorry about
those fires. They are terrifying. Yeah, ann annan or a
nun asked. I was listening to the One Hundred Years
War series and I got a question about politics. Medieval
politics seem to be characterized by a significant amount of
fluidity and pragmatism e g. Edward siding with the Montforts,

(40:17):
even though their claim came from the male line and
Edwards from the female line. Are there any trends or
differences in how politics were done which might stand out
from different parts of such a long period, or even
from different regions.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I mean, the English are basket cases, so like drop
that down right, I mean, like, as a general rule
of thumb, you're always going to have what you can
kind of say across Europe is the nobility and the
royalty don't really get along, but they're always kind of
getting in and out of each other's beds, and varying
alliances are being made, and that, you know, simply is
the case. Kind of across Europe, but then you see

(40:53):
different things at different times. So in particular England is
a basket case because you have all these weird claims
that come up in the kind of like post Norman world,
you know, like when you get to the anarchy. For example,
Oh my god, I couldn't believe but that I'm I
was with friend of the show on Friday and we

(41:14):
went to go visit a castle because we're really cool,
and here we are at war Castle and it was
the person who had kind of expanded it in the
thirteenth century was, in my opinion, sorry, twelfth century, was
in my opinion, on the wrong side of the anarchy
and was like team Stephen. And I was like, hm,
wrong side though, and my mate Simon was like, I

(41:36):
don't know, I think Stephen was right, and I was like,
fucking excuse me. And I was like I didn't know
we made you anymore. And he's like too slow, too slow,
should have got there first, and I was like a
good fucking god. And so then we had a slap
fight to buy it and that was fun. But you know,
but my point is bringing up the anarchy and the
fact that Simon is drained is that like things like

(41:59):
this kind of happened all the time in England, and
then like by the time you get to like, for example,
Edward the second and he's pissed off all the nobles
because he's just giving the dispensers as much money as
they want, you know, or whatever, and you remove him
from the throne. Then everyone goes, oh, it's possible to
remove kings from the throne. It's really easily done, actually,

(42:19):
And that's kind of how you end up getting the
wars with the Roses and things like that. So England
is a little bit more wild in terms of what's
going on up here. You certainly see in Spain really
loose affiliations that are incredibly pragmatic, just just as you say,
where you don't really know who's going to side with

(42:42):
who at any given time, and it's just pragmatic. It's
how am I going to get money? There really isn't
very much of anything to keep Christians onside with Christians,
Muslims on sides with Muslims. It's just basically like how
low are my tax is going to be? How much
land can I be given? And we certainly see things
like this with like El seed for example, Right, we

(43:04):
can look sort of to Italy and I mean a
similarly basket cases, right, like like what is going on?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Muslim? Is it Greek? Is it Italian? Is it Latin?
Is it?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Are you wealth? Are you a ghibbiling? Like what's going on?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
What do we go?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
They're just fighting with each other constantly, And it's a
lot more kind of Romeo and Julietish where there's you know,
constant noble factions flat fighting back.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
The Vendetta system is real, folks. That was the real thing.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they kill each.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Other over dumb bullshit that somebody's brother's cousin did.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
So I guess they're a little bit less pragmatic, and
I guess they are a little bit more they're a
little bit more grudge motivated. So shout out to them
as a general rule within the Holy Roman Empire Italians aside,
it's kind of like which side are you on in
terms of papal or and that is always going to
just depend on what advantage you see, Well, who's the

(44:05):
pope at the time. Where's the pope at the time,
you know, big question, because the pope's being an avenel
can really change your opinion on where certain things go.
And you know, similarly, this has a lot to do
with kind of taxation and then those kind of things.
So you know, surprise like Germans and checks being quite
pragmatic actually just being like this has got a money gast,

(44:26):
you know, right kind of a deal. So yeah, it
all really depends on where you are. But yeah, certainly,
you know, ideas of like chivalry or oaths and all
this stuff. It's like it's a lot more exists in
our heads than actually exists in any in any kind

(44:46):
of form in the Middle Ages. The closest you really
do see is just like Italians wild'n out and doing
a grudge match. But that's not really chivalry, is that.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, it's uh yeah, you gotta when you have to
like balance, you have to balance all these factors and
you have to like, you know, am I going to
marry off relative?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I'm not going to marry off you know someone else?
How How does my How does my inheritance pass? Because
you know, states have different inheritance laws now, but it's
pretty much like if you got a will and you
know like it's going you know, it's either going intestate
to your family, or it's going to the people in
the will, or you make it some other revision, but like, uh,

(45:33):
you know, Germany didn't for you know a long time.
Germany was like, yeah, we just divided up. However, we
kind of want between all of our kids instead of
giving it to the oldest, which was really different than
basically all of Western Europe. And they were like yeah, cool,
So yeah, it's just you know, you get you get

(45:54):
different stuff like that. It's it's all it's all a rich,
a rich uh a rich tapestry of the Middle Ages
where you're just like there's no there's really no homogeneity
to this. Everything is just like we got a king,
but he kind of has power. We got a king
and he has absolute power. We got a king and
he's obedient to the church. We got an emperor and

(46:15):
he's you know, emperor over a city. You know, like whatever, Yeah,
it's yeah, yeah, the despotite of And then thank you
for the question. Next we got one from MG in
your face. What's the medieval equivalent of a stupid business
to business tech conference trying to make itself seem more

(46:36):
appealing by getting a celebrity in a completely unrelated field
such as a major actor to do a keynote.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
So I love this one, and it's like this one
is kind of like I guess it's it's kind of
bringing in outside popular preachers for church stuff. Right, So
you go, so, yah, really boring. Something like the archbishop
makes you all come uh to, you know, have a

(47:05):
talking to about how you're all bad, and you go
get a preacher who is like, yeah, like the fuck
the hierarchy of the church or whatever, and we're all
reforming and blah blah blah. You know, like so you'll
go get in like superstars like that to give like
the equivalent of the keynote address, and then the bishop

(47:25):
it's like, and I'm really fucking disappointed in you people.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
It's like it's like when the teacher comes back and
the substitute teacher left a note and they're just looking down,
Like in all my years of teaching, I've never had
a note like this. He's like, God, damn it, man,
you shut up. You say this stitute comes by.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
This is going down on your permanent record. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah. Yeah. They had preachers. They love preachers, They fucking
loved them. Uh, maybe a bard, I don't know. It
would nowadays you'd be like, I just don't want to
go to this business to business conference. I'm going to
feign being sick. But that had to make a little
more effort at it, because the king would be like, no,
come here or else, and you're like, oh hmm, okay, cool,

(48:19):
Well that's not great. Yeah yeah, So honestly, good for them.
They didn't have to put up with that bullshit as
much as we do. Awful, awful, MG in your face.
Thank you for the question. Got a couple more first
from jos the Texan. I was wondering what funeral traditions

(48:40):
were like for ordinary people in the Middle Ages. I
know in the US and other Western countries we are
very disconnected from death and preparation of our loved ones
for burial, and this has and this hasn't been the
case for most of human history. What were rituals surrounding
a funeral? Today, most Catholic funerals in the US, at
least once if I have experienced, have a rosary in
the evening three to five days after death and a

(49:02):
funeral mass the next morning.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
So one of the big things that changes is that
you try to get buried a lot sooner in the
Middle Ages, because we're not we're not embalming folks out here.
So you're trying, you're kind of like trying to get
this done and dusted. What might happen if you want
that body to travel, Like if you are like suspiciently
important and you die on a battlefield, or say you're

(49:27):
someone like eleanor Castile and they want your body down
in London, you'll generally be eviscerated, and then those the
viscera can be either buried in varying places like you know,
we see this with Richard lionheart right where like his
heart's in one place and his bodies in another of
that kind of thing, or you know, they might just
bury the viscera where they are in a church and

(49:49):
then take the rest of the body. But as a
general rule of thumb, when someone dies, you're like trying
to get them like, let's go. We don't have a
whole lot of time to waste here because they are
concerns about contingen and keeping the bodies around, So you
are probably going to try to move pretty fast. There
may be like some looking at the body as it

(50:12):
lies in state, but you are going to be wanting
within the next few days to get this going. You know.
Rosary reading certainly does exist, you know, it's it increases
in popularity over the medieval period and has kind of
like a rise along with Marian cults. So I mean
earlier you're not going to see that, not at all.

(50:33):
But they'll just be like offices for the dead usually,
and then you'll have a funeral mass, and then if
you have enough money, you will then also bequeath a
certain amounts to the church to continuously say masses for
the soul of the dead, which you may or may
not attend, but that's kind of like shoring up to
make sure they don't go to Hell. So yeah, yeah, I'll.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Still say masses for the dead. Yeah, I'll say prayers
for the dead.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Like that, absolutely, Like it's something that you can request
and it's something that they'll do, you know. It's uh
yeah yeah, so yeah, especially if you're like kicking some
money in.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That's why all those side altars are in churches. When
you go into a church and they are like the
other side altars, it's like people have kicked in money
to have their little masses and that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
So yeah, Yeah, that's cool. Uh, Josh, thank you very
much for the question. Last week. Lastly we got one
from Gaffzie, who says, in previous episodes, you'll have made
the point that the Protestant Reformation wasn't inevitable, that the
church had internally reformed multiple times in the past on
its own. In an alternate history where the Church did
actually step away from the brink and manage to fix

(51:43):
some or all of the issues that Protestant that Protestants raised,
what would this reform have looked like. Will we just
have the Council of Trent, but done a few decades
earlier or without the specific circumstance of the Reformation, Would
the necessary medicine have been something entirely different? Would there
have been a tempt to deal with the political elements
of habsburg domination of the continent that helped spur the

(52:06):
princess to suport Luther in the first place.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, I mean that's a great question, because on the
one hand, you know, there is the fact that this
is kind of like a cultural issue that we consistently
see come out in reforming impulses in the church, right,
But there are of course also these political issues like
the fucking have spurks and their goddamn chins, right, you know,

(52:29):
like getting in here all over the place. I think
a necessary intervention that would have also had to happen
at this particular time in order to spur this would
have been like knocking this Renaissance shit the fuck off. Yeah,
that would have had to be and that's cultural, right,
So it's an interesting one, Like that's not like because
the issue with indulgences, you know, like you never saw

(52:51):
indulgences like that before and it was literally just you know,
they want a bigger house, right, and so like herbing
that particular impulse, well that that also has knock on
effects for how the Italian economy is working at the time,
and can you pull back on that. I think there's
an argument to be made that if the papacy had

(53:12):
stayed in Avignon, you might have actually seen a little
bit of better uptake in terms of reform, which is
funny because it's usually associated with excess. But you get
back to Italy and they're like, no, we need a
better palace almost immediately, right, So if they'd stayed in Avenue,
things maybe would have calmed down a little bit. But

(53:34):
you would also have to do something about all these
fucking Habsburgs, right, And I mean, having said that, if
you were, if the various like Frederick their Wise is
never presented with this particular opportunity to shed himself from
Habsburg submission, is he going to go Protestant or are

(53:56):
they going to find another way of doing it? You know,
it's possible to say that Athlics would exist in the
Holy Roman Empire, wouldn't you know, because certainly we do
see that, you know, we see the the creation of
the Austro Hungarian Empire eventually, you know, you see the
various German states do different things as a result of this.

(54:18):
So yeah, I mean, I think it would be possible.
Although the trouble is that with the Hussites it's already
a little bit out of the bag, So you would
need to go back to that, I think in order
to do that, And I think in order to suppress
the Whosites you kind of need to go back further
and you need to get more on top of the lawlards.

(54:39):
So I mean, and there's also probably something here where
like literally if you stop out of Bohemia marrying into
the British throne. All of this would be say the
English throne. They're not British at the time, so do
not yell at me English people. Yeah, like they I
think that stopping the spread of that particular line of

(55:00):
reasoning would be important, but I you know, that would
just mean kind of like cracking down on Wycliffe a
lot earlier, and cracking down on Wycliffe. I mean, I
think that's possible, but you know, they they really were
just like, could you just fucking knock it off? And
he's like, I will never stop. I do not believe
in transubstantiation. And it's like, bro, I mean he's like,

(55:21):
I totally agree with him on a lot of things.
But you know, it's just kind of like they they
handled that really badly, but mostly because he was quite
popular in Oxford, and nobody wanted to piss Oxford off,
So you know, they wait, they wait till he's dead
and then and now that's now you got lollards. And
then by the time they're suppressing them, the checks have
decided they fucking love lollergy, you know, and and then

(55:46):
you know, by the time you've got Czech Bibles and
like a whole kingdom that's gone all that's gonna do
is embolden other members of the Holy Roman Empire. And
you know, so like they're they're all gonna be looking
over at Bohemia and they're like, well, the check's about
to do to Hoko Markot do it right. So it's
really difficult to say. I think you need to go
back and address why cliffs concerns in order to stop it.

(56:09):
I think like that's how far you need to go back.
I think we're talking kind of fourteenth century interventions if
you really want to do it, and you're going to
have to change taste and so it's a pretty big job.
But I mean, it's not inevitable, like and especially it's
not inevitable that Protestantism ended up in the way that
it did, which is like very yeah, fucking Prussian or
whatever the shit, you know, like it didn't have to

(56:30):
be like this.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah, I'll be honest, I do not know that there
is a circumstance under like the way that we understand history.
I do not know that there is a circumstance what
that would cause the Catholic Church to do this, because
they would have to experience a system shock from outside
that is so big and so powerful that it scares

(56:55):
the shit out of them and turns it into an
existential thing. And I really do not know that you
have that thing until later. If now I say that
there was a point where the Mongols were still going
and they were moving across they were moving across Asia,

(57:16):
and they have made it into Europe, and they were
in Hungary, and they were starting to make em roads
into Poland. And there is no chance that anyone for
the rest of the for the rest of the European
continent could stop the Mongols. They had run through everyone else,
They ran through medieval China. They're not None of the
thirteenth century European states are stopping them unless they stop themselves,

(57:40):
which is what happened because Ogaday died, Oga Day Khan died,
who was the successor to Timmychen, and he when he died,
they pulled back and then they stopped that. That right
there is I think the only thing that could do it,
because the Church has too much money. They're too powerful

(58:03):
by this point. Once they undertake something like the First
Crusade or they start doing stuff like that, they are
too powerful to stop themselves and be like, whoa, we
really got to pull back from the brink, like you
have to experience the utter terror of standing over the
edge and looking into oblivion and being like we're going
to die. And I mean maybe if the Mongols do that,

(58:26):
like and they make it all the way to like
France or something, then like yeah, like you might see
the church like seriously reform and change things. But like
other than that, they got hit by the Black Death,
and the response to the Black Death was this is
your fault, not outwards, like they didn't like and I mean,
the Black Death is like the closest that they would

(58:48):
be that they would be looking at like their power
breaking down, and they saw that and they were like, Okay,
not our fucking fault. You did it like you you
you peasants and nobles because you were being sinful or what.
And you know, like and that is once you have
that response, like, you cannot, like you cannot come back

(59:11):
from that response to the Black Death. You cannot if
you see seventy percent of your town die and the
bishop down the road goes, uh, actually it was because
you guys didn't close that brothel or whatever. You're like,
at some point someone is gonna be like, hey, fuck
you you you you guys, like if if you needed

(59:33):
that clothes, then you should, like, you know, like just
fuck you. It's not our fault. You're the ones who
intercests with God, not us, And I just don't ever
think that they would do it. I the Protestant Reformation
as we got it is not inevitable. It could be different.
It could come a little sooner depending on things. It
could be pushed back a little later, depending like if

(59:55):
if Henry the Eighth doesn't h if his brother Arthur
doesn't die, and there's no one to do Anglicanism in
Europe in England, it's gonna look a whole lot different.
It is going to take a so much longer to
get across the Atlantic, and it's it's just going to

(01:00:18):
be like a whole European thing by itself, because England
and the Dutch were the ones, who you know, who
exported it, and so yeah, but I mean, I just
I really don't know. I don't It's not inevitable. But
I do think that a reformation is inevitable. I do
not think that there is any way, on any timeline,

(01:00:38):
under any circumstance, where you would get from whatever three
three thirteen CE to twenty twenty five CE and only
have a monolithic Catholic Church and then the Orthodox off
to the side. That that is, in my mind, a
historic impossibility. I do not think that is possible under

(01:01:00):
any circumstance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I've decided that might take. I've decided that if the
church had just listened to young Militch of Cromerses fourteenth century,
I've decided. I've decided this is my take. If you
just do everything that Mileitch says, you'll be fine. Bro.
It would have been it would have been fine. It
would have been fine. Get Charles the Fourth to help
out with the reform. We need a big tour where

(01:01:25):
all bishops have to like, they all have to come
to Rome. We're shutting Avenue and down. You've got to
come to Rome right now and get yelled at and
take your fucking medicine. There needs to be like way
more preachers working with the local communities. And also give
Charles the Fourth everything he wants.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Make him, make him the universal monarch of and make
Hope the universal uh religious head as he basically was.
And there you go, Yeah, I do. I think you
also have to go back and you have to tell
them you have to destroy every printing press you find
under no circumstance can you allow the printing press to
come out. And that is because people will share ideas.

(01:02:06):
It does not matter. That is always going to happen.
We are seeing it right now with how people react
to the Internet and becoming terminally online, and people are like, oh,
you know, you see the rise in like flat earthism
and stuff like that, and like anti vax stuff, and like,
once you get exposed to all this, people are going
to just go run with it because we're kind of

(01:02:27):
insane like that, and we're I mean, that's just kind
of how we are. And you know, so you have to,
like you have to destroy all the printing presses. You
have to you have to like keep the iron fist
of hegemony down, and you have to make sure that
when you go to the Americas, you have a full
like plan to keep it over there so that it

(01:02:50):
doesn't become infused and spark offshoot religions that are mixes
of Paganism and Catholicism, which is also an possibility it
might be, but anyway, like, yeah, I don't I just
don't think there's a way, and I don't I don't.
You know, it doesn't it doesn't have to look like
the Protestantism we have now, which is which has been

(01:03:13):
so deliterious in so many ways. But it's like it
could have been worse. I mean, there's this is not
the worst timeline. We still exist, so it could have
been worse, now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I mean I people get people will be like yo whatever,
like no it no, it could be worse, believe me. There.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I mean if the Puritans had gone a beggar hold,
everything would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Worse, you know. Yeah, I mean like there's that there's
like yeah, it's like you know, there's the man in
the High Castle, you know, alternate universe where we're under
the dominion of the Japanese Empire and the Knats, like
you know, it's like good God, anyway, It's yeah, Leach

(01:03:59):
was right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah, this is a Darby County podcast. It's I don't podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I don't think that you can.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I don't think that they are going to reform enough
because I don't think, as we see with every power
structure in history, unless they are scared to literal death
that they are dying or are going to die, they
will not change, like it just doesn't work. They don't
do it. Yeah, so that's my opinion. But uh, you know,
you guys make of it what you will. Thank you, Gassie,

(01:04:31):
and thank you everyone for the questions. We appreciate it. Uh.
Next time, as we said, we will be back with
an episode about conclaves, and we are going to talk
about all about how you should go and stand outside
the conclave with a bunch of bird seed on your
shoulders so pigeons are a dove's roost on your on
your shoulders, and you are elected pope. That's right, because
that did work at least one point, according to the sources.

(01:04:57):
Come back for that. We'll talk about conclaves. We'll talk
about out the death of Francis and what what that meat,
what the modern conclave kind of looks like, you know. Yeah,
and we'll we'll have fun because they are fun. And
hopefully they won't pick someone. Hopefully they'll pick someone on
the more progressive end of the Catholic insanity spectrum. The

(01:05:21):
other end. I don't know who that is. Hopefully someone
someone that makes that makes JD that makes JD Vance mad?
That would I mean, that is what we want, isn't
it you know, but other than that, also someone who's
going to excommunicate it, maybe that would be cool, just thought,
man his last act.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
But you know what, Pope France has had the opportunity
to do the funniest thing of all time and he
like really.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
So much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Anyway, fumbled, you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Know, annoys me anyway, Uh, Francis, thanks for the memories. Uh,
thanks for pissing off jd Vance and other similar arch
conservative Catholics. And yeah, other than that, thank you all
for the questions. Subscribe to the Patreon eleanor what the
hell is going on with you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Oh May It's gonna be a nightmare week for me
because the Pope died and I work in like the
one industry where that constitutes an emergency. So yeah, I
don't know, doing a lot of that here, there and
everywhere this week. So keep an eye on my socials
if you want to see where I'm being asked about
that a lot at Going Medieval. I'll try to write

(01:06:34):
something up on the blog eventually as well. Hopefully i'll
get that done this month, but otherwise I'm just kind
of like trying to not lose my mind and get
through it. Babes, we're just oh if you are Another
thing I will say is plug for human decency. If
you live in the United Kingdom, could you please do

(01:06:55):
me a solid and write to your MP and scream
at them about how trans rights are human rights. That
would be really cool. It's important for us to not
kind of like give up hope right now on all
of this. And at the very least what you can
do is like just make your MP miserable, right, Like,

(01:07:16):
make them just feel absolutely awful about their lives and
their choices. So I really want you to kind of
like consider what you could do in terms of making
them miserable. There's a really great resource that I used
in order to write to my MP today and scream
at them. That is online. Sorry I am just picking

(01:07:40):
it up. Yeah, it is called If you go to
the trans Legalproject dot org. They have guidelines for how
you can write to your MP and what you should
say to them about how like, actually, I don't think
we should have gender cops who decide if a woman
is sufficiently feminine looking if she needs to pee in public,
So do be a solid do us all favor and

(01:08:03):
check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yeah, even if you have a good imp like Jeremy
Corbyn and he has said good things. You still you know,
they still know that people do that because that still
affects things over there. I do not know how much
it affects things here with that being a much bigger nation,
but I'm not like bigger in terms of size.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Not. Oh well, it turns out that even in America,
if you write to your senator, if they get yelled
at by like ten people, they oh, everyone's bad at.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yeah, they'll post a video, They'll post a TikTok video.
Look at all the threats we get and all the
replies are good. You deserve more threats. Oh man, I
wish I could get the audio. There's a video like
a people and it's just old people. It's not young people.
It's old people, a lot of them with Southern accidents,
calling uh Tom Tillis, who's a senator from North Carolina,

(01:08:53):
and being like.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
You, dumb son of a fucking bitch, How fucking dare
you do this? You think you could take our tech?
And you're just like okay, man, go and like like
I find what and fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Up from nam.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
I'd come down there, shove a fucking rifle down your
goddamn threat you're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Like, whoa, whoa, right, buddy, all right, okay, yeah, and
I mean that's great. Anyway, I'm not praising death threats.
I am praising oh, speaking out and using your voice
in the political process.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
You were saying those things for the purposes of parody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Yes, yes, that was That was a video, the TikTok
video that can be linked to. I am not endorsing
uh saying such things. I am endorsing uh calling them
and making them lives miserable until they change their idea
and vote uh to say that trans people are people
in trans rights or human rights and everything else that's

(01:09:49):
wrong with the world. But uh, yeah, anyway, you guys
know where to find me where I'm saying shit like that.
You can find me on the socials. Luke is amazing,
and you can find them. I'll show people's for the
Old Republic if you want to hear me chat about
Star Wars. But anyway, that's going to do it for
us today. Thank y'all for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye.