August 6, 2025 • 44 mins
folks, in our neverending struggle to defeat the overflowing mailbag of patron questions, we've started doing one mail episode a month and here we are for August. this time we answer questions about which Simpson family member corresponds to the Medieval humors, the tradition of smoking and curing meats, Medieval automatons, everyone's favorite biblical glup shitto Simon Magus, and what Medieval event we'd go back in time to watch! check it out!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, am, my friends, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
You know, it's a beautiful stormy day in London and
you are angry goose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So it's a beautiful stormy day here too, in the Panhandle.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Mmm, in God's country now, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I feel I feel as though it is a different
kind of stormy there.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
But yeah, probably it's fine. It's all rain, it's all nice.
It's you know.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
One of my favorite things to say is we really
needed that rain. You know what we did need the rain.
It's too hot, you need to tamp down the pollen.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, my bitch has loves to say that we really
needed that rain. Like the park, I ride.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
My bike through whatever. I'm like coming up to town.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's been like cooked to ship, you know, like completely brown,
and at the moment it's all green again, and I'm
like hurry.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So yeah, yeah, I love walking my dog and taking
my hat off and what in my head wiping my
arm across my brona. I really could use some rain
and people.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, I love it. I love it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I I'm not always like I. I sometimes have trouble
with small talk because I am socially awkward.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
As you might have guessed and.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Uh, you know, so, like I do kind of get
when people are like I don't like small talk that much,
Like I get that, But when people are like small
talk is stupid, it's like, no, that's the that's the flavor.
That's the flavor of life right there, because it's just
people being like, yeah, you know, that weather interesting. You know,
somebody being like too hot today. It's like, no, I
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like it, you know, it's not nice. I was like, okay, cool,
what you know. There you go, there's something you can
talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, we're all experiencing the weather. God damn it. So
it's it's.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
One commonality, no, we have, so yeah, I'm loving it
for me. It's much better than the heat way the
other week.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I'm in a good mood and uh ready to
fucking get to with the questions. We probably should since
I came in late. Sorry everybody, a little peak behind
the curtain, guys, I was late.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It's me so so yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
All right, here we go, Hello, and welcome back to
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We're Not So Different, a podcast about how well.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
We really need that rain?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That rain.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
My name is Luke, and I'm always saying that to people,
and as all as I'm joined by doctor Eleanor Yanniga,
who is also always saying that to people.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Today we got mail and in our ongoing effort to
catch up on the mailbag patron questions, we're back to
answer a few more for the month of August, which,
as we all know, is the worst month of the year,
at least here in the Northern Hemisphere. I am assuming
that in the Southern Hemisphere, if you are listening, it
is probably quite nice. If you're in the Southern Hemisphere,
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I would like to let me know how the weather
is there. Please reach out and I will give an update.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Worst month in Australia is February. I can tell you that.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, I can believe it. Yeah, there's your August. Not
only that, you have to get Valentine's Day in there too,
the worst holiday not because not because I don't like
showing affection, but because it's made up bullshit so bad.
Partners can like come in and be like, here's a
bunch of shit I got you, please don't leave me,
and they're like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And like yeah, I hate it anyway. Yeah that's me
about Valentine's Day. If you like it, that's cool though.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Anyway, we got some questions here, and you know the deal.
If you want to ask us questions like these, please
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that kind of shit. So yeah, let's do it. We
got a good one here. We've been spain as the
same griebo. Ask does each Simpson have a dominant humor?
I'm discounting Maggie on account of her being too young
to know what her dominant humor is, And yes, absolutely,
I think so Okay, So I had to look up
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like the chart because I do not remember what they
stand for. I just don't like that it's indastinguishable from
modern astrology to me, Sorry to all my medieval humor's heads.
But so I think the one I think like Lisa
is black bile.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, she's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Thinking, you know, all that sort of stuff. I think
Marge is phlegmatic, so phlem I guess because she's just
she's she's quiet until she's not. And I mean she
does go along with a whole lot of bullshit. She's
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you know her one of her big traits is just
being good natured.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, so I was gonna put her at sanguine myself.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Okay, okay, oh yeah, I can see that because she
is very she is very social.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
She's like, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
She's she's like she's bobbing along.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, okay, I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I will definitely defer to these on you because I
could just be looking at something stupid that someone put on.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I was like, actually, that kind of it's kind.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Of Homer choleric, like blood because he's just fucking nuts
all the time. Everything is insane. He's quick to do everything,
quick to anger, you know, all that sort of stuff.
He's not organized or you know anything, but.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know, he he's Homer.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I barked sanguine Coleric sitting in the middle.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Because Bart is social and he like really has issues concentrating.
But like a lot of that stuff doesn't really described him.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, Like, and I guess that's the thing is that
I think that he's like kind of choleric, you know,
but like, yeah, it's difficult to say, right, it's difficult
to say.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I don't think that like we I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I wouldn't call him phlegmatic, is the thing, Like, I
don't think that we have we don't have like four
perfect ones here.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That, right, No, you have Lisa and Homer I think
are the two that fit like the best into one
of these Lisa being melancholic because I mean all of
these things, you know, poetic, thinks, deeply, takes things very personally,
you know, compassionate, these you know, these are Lisa traits.
And you know, Homer is fiery, quick to action, he
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does have keen interest, quick to judge, you know, and
he is heroic in in circumstances. So you know, like
those two and then Bart and Marge. You know, I
don't really see an you know, an an ill mannered
ADHD child where they fit specifically in the quadrant.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Yeah, So that's me, you know, Yeah, I guess it's like,
you know what what it ends up kind of being
is that I think that we I think that we
do have to kind of call Marge sanguine because I
think that she is friendly and she and she's an idealist.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, oh, I'll defer to all of this on you because,
as I said, I could just be pulling interest.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, it's like I think that this works.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I think that what what we don't really have is
anyone that is like specifically phlegmatic, you know, like they
don't there's no ere here. I mean, and don't get
me wrong, you could say that about like melancholic people, right,
but you know, there there's that poeticism that has it.
There's it's just more like the you know. So yeah,
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I think that what we what we got here is
in excess of like the of the caloric.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm going with.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's what I'm going with because in many ways, like
Homer and Bart are just kind of like yeah, you
know that they're they're the same but slightly different angles.
So I think that like maybe Bart's just got a
little bit more sanguine thrown in there.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, Bart, Bart is Bart is Homer, like is
the small version of Homer if Homer grew up later
instead of growing up like in the fifties and sixties
with his You know that that is what they are,
and that's you know, that's the funny and they did
that on purpose, like Homer's or Bart's supposed to hate
Homer and he's just the same, Like you know, that's
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the the thing. Uh yeah, so uh we in Spain
is just agreeable. Thank you very much for the question.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I love this question.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yes, uh yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I'm trying to think if there's anybody who's just like
a total fucking e or like I guess Millhouse.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, yeah, Gil, you know, yeah, Gil is yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Gil, there you go, Gil Millhouse for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Next we got one from dog God, who says, what's
the deal with medieval automatons?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
To modern people?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
They seem like very advanced technology, requiring extensive skills to produce,
But they seem to have been just been mildly impressive
novelties which were only meant to show off and were
never used for anything useful. What intellectual tradition allowed people
to develop such intricate machines and why did it take
so long for that knowledge be used in practical applications
like clocks and sewing machines.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well, I guess that the answer is a lot of
the time, even when they do have them just as
kind of like show off things. They are clocks. Yeah,
They're like I'm showing off my clock.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You know, like or a compass in China. They were like,
look at my compass that fits on a giant fucking
like table thing and goes.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
All which ways. Like oh that's so cool man, thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like, my favorite exhibition in the British Museum is the clocks,
and they've got this great I think it's fifteenth century
off the top of my head, a ship Autoumatac clock
and apparently you would take it on a banquet table
and it would like go up and down the table
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and shoot off little cannons like with the at the
varying times and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And I'm just like hell yeah, brother, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And I guess the reason why they don't take off
comes down to the fact that they it's a vastly
different society that thinks about things differently.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The industrialized and post industrialized world's way of looking at
everything that you make as a form of tech, which
is applicable very specifically in terms of work, is new, right.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They just lack that.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
They don't they don't have this same like oh yeah,
and then this could be put to work thing because
what is the thing that people do right?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And this isn't to say that they don't have machines.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
They certainly do have lots of machine, but there's less
of an idea that work could be happening away from humans.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
M h.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You know what I mean, it's like, and that is.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
An intellectual leap and it's difficult for us to see
that now because we just were stud in it. We're
baked writing, right, but it is fundamentally really different, and
that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think the intellectual tradition here is
just stories, Like they have stories of these things, you know,
that the gods could do things or that God could
cause things to be moved. So you know, you have
the stories of the you know, the the Jewish lore
of the of the Gollumns.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And the.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Lysis has at Autumata doesn't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, and uh, you know in ancient Greek literature they
talked about how you know, this God made you know,
the these watchdogs and this God made these things move, and.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I mean I think it comes from that. But
they also had stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I mean there you know, there is the uh antiic
thera mechanism, which is an old way of designing. It's
a it's basically an ory to trace the four year
cycles of the sun and predict eclipses, which it did.
They also had similar things in China, of course, But
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I think, like in the Middle Ages, this is like
it is, this is stuff made by extremely skilled artisans,
some of the most skilled people in the world at
the time, who would be able to do this kind
of stuff. It's not going to be something that like
a general like you know, you run down to the
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local store in your village of one hundred people and
there's some guy there who can make like a brass
molded automat time with hot wind moving through pipes like
they you know, these people were like extremely skilled smith's
and engineers for their time, and they knew how to
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do this stuff. So I mean, one, it's very hard too.
It's a form of conspicuous consumption because how is anyone
else going to like a ford or use this like
on a massive scale. And I mean a good when
I think I've talked about it before, but in Constantinople,
they had this whole thing where they could like move
the throne they get through like a percussive wind based system.
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And there's a quote from a guy named Leotprand of
Cremona from nine to forty nine, and he was in
the Emperor Theophilis's palace, and he says, quote lions made
of bronze or wood covered with gold, which stuck, which
stuck the ground with their tails and roared with open
mouths and quivering tongue and quivering tongue. A tree of
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gilded bronze, it's branches filled with birds. Likewise, a bronze
made of bronze gilded over and these emitting cries appropriate
to their species. And the Emperor's thrown itself, which was
made in such a cunning manner that at one moment
it was down on the ground, while at another it
rose up and was to be seen up in the air.
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So like this is something for the ultra ultra rich
in a way for them to show off. And I
mean it's just medieval conspicuous consumption, or a version of
it anyway.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, And I guess that you've really hit on something here, Luke,
which is that you would need so many of these
incredibly skilled people and a market.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
To sell things too. And I guess that's the thing is.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That there's no market, right, Yeah, you don't have consumption
in the same way.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So yeah, unless you sold this to the three richest
families in your region of Europe, like okay, you can go.
There are like maybe four other regions where you can
do that. So that's like, you know twelve, you sold
twelve of these and now what.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like yeah, you can't have like an entire warehouse full
of people doing this, right, like and who's got he's.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Going to be repairing them?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Like you like the like like this would require Yeah,
this would require an extreme depth of knowledge that would
have to be like specifically passed down so the stuff
stayed into effect, and I mean a lot of it didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like the stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The remains of the stuff we found is like badly
worn and melted, parsonally melted and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So you know, yeah, basically think the reason they did
it for clocks was because it made it easy because
everybody's like, we do kind of need a way to
figure out when the hours of the day are going by.
That would be good, you know that for everyone. I
think that was kind of an unspoken problem that they
were all kind of like this whole system's real ify
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like like, but tomorrow we're waking up at like five
thirty because you know what it's raining or what?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, anyway, dog God, thank you for the question.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Next, we have one that's close to my heart because
I always find the character so funny from fluff Weasel,
who says, if you ever covered Simon Magas in an
episode of Simon the Biblical figure. I first read about
him in the book The Rise of Magic in Medieval
Europe by Valerie Flint, an interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Great book, really great book.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Everybody good book alert, holy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Shit, she may go, there you go, and one of
my second best bookshop finds. He seems like an interesting
character surrounded by apocryphal like doing magic battle with Saint
Peter in Rome. How big of a character was he
in the medieval imagination? Okay, I'm gonna let Eleanor talk
about him in the medieval imagination in.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Just a second, because he was.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But I need to say that this is this is
what the Bible says about Simon Magas. It is an
incredibly open and shut thing, and you will soon find
out that he's one of the biggest biblical glup shitdows.
People fucking love inventing stories from Acts chapter eight, verse nine.
But there was a certain man called Simon, which before
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time in the same city you sorcery and bewitch the
people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great
one to whom they all gave heed, from the least
to the greatest, saying, this man is the great power
of God. And to him they had regard, because that
of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But
when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom
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of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized,
both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also, and
when he was baptized, he continued with Philip and wondered
beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Now, when the.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Apostles, which where at Jerusalem, heard that Samaria had received
the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John, who,
when they were come down, prayed for them that they
might receive the Holy ghosts, for it had not fallen
on them yet. I'm not reading all that shit. Then
they laid their hands on them, and they received the
holy ghosts. And when Simon saw that through the laying
on of the apostles' hands, the Holy Ghost was given.
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He offered them money, saying, give me also this power,
that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the
Holy Ghost.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Which it's not good, but okay.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But Peter said to him, thy money perish with THEE,
because thou hast thought the gift of God may be
purchased with money. Thou hast either part nor lot in
this matter. For the hot for thy heart is not
right in the side of God. Repent therefore of thy wickedness,
and pray God if perhaps the thought of thine heart
may be forgiven THEE. For I perceive that thou art
in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
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Then answered Simon and said, pray ye to the Lord
for me that none of these things which he has
spoken come upon me.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
He's doing some heretical stuff. He hears the truth, he
gets baptized, He backslides a little. He's like, I mean,
can I want to be able to do this? I
want to spread the word, you know. And he does
something silly, and Peter rebukes him, which is all finding good,
and rebukes him in the same way Christ, with the
same stuff about how being rich is evil and you
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can't buy God with money.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Nudge nudge, and sybody, you know what.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Okay, you're right, my bad. Cool, that's it. That's that's
the biblical story of Simon Vegas. Now, eleanor would you
like to tell us how Simon Megas ended up doing
wizard battles with Saint Peter on the fucking at the
Golden Gates.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Of listen, because it's sick as hell.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Bra No, no, no, I'm not disagreeing with that.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Basically all of the Simon Megas stuff comes mostly from
apocryphal works, so we get stuff like there's the Acts
of Peter, which are second century. Then you get like
the Pseudo Clementines, which is like third century, and this
is like this is about the conversion of the Clement
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of Rome. Uh and he is like it's like a
buddy It's like Kung Fu. It's like a buddy thing
where Clement of Rome travels around with Peter and like
they like run into Simon majors, they like have to
do like battle people.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think there's also in the Epistle of the Apostles
which again Aprorhal he's in there. And that's not really
surprising because the the Epistle of the Apostles is like
a really apocalyptic in nature. So it's got kind of
like a lot of talking about things like that, and
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so like these are all things that are kind of
happening in late antiquity, and in late antiquity there's like
rather a lot of interest in talking.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
About these things.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And also, I guess the thing that you have to understand,
both in a late antique sense and in a medieval sense,
is there's a lot of confusing individuals in the Bible. Like,
so what ends up happening is anytime like a wizard
gets mentioned, everyone goes ah shit, Simon Mages right, Like,
this is what happens with Mary Magdalen.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Right, his name is a byword for an evil wizard.
Now that's what a mega is, Like yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Exactly, Yeah, Like I guess we have this problem with
Mary Magdalen, right, where like all of the Mary's in
the Gospel's got confused and they're like, oh, that's just
one bitch, right, and it is indeed three. So like
you do see this all the time, and there's this
kind of there's a desire to sort of square circles.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I guess this is the thing to say about it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
There's a real desire to kind of like pin things
in place and say this person is this person. So
you go through it and you just start going, oh yeah,
that guy, like that guy in you know whatever is
is Simon Magus. And then you get to the medieval
period and everyone's like, hell yeah, brother, I love this guy.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I love this shit, which is exactly what I do too,
because like there will be a character and people like
people have like a weird idea of this because like
you don't, like most people don't like look at that
guy and be like he's gonna be my glove shitdow,
like when they see something, like you see something and
it like just triggers this weird thing in your mind
and they get kind of stuck there, like Yoda, Like
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Yoda has been stuck in my mind since I was
a little little kid, because he's just so fucking weird.
He's nine hundred, he's like thirty six inches tall, he
can lift like starships with his mind. It's just like
that's really cool. And so I totally get this. I
totally get why. I mean people do this because the
Bible's like he was a magic Not only did he
do magic, he did it in such a way that
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these people believe them. And then he tried to buy
the magic from Peter and like and so I get
why they did it, but it's just so funny to me.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, And like then people kind of get confused with
it and they're like is he Paul Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
and they're like, no, guys, he isn't.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But like so for example, there's a there's a church
in Rome, Santa Francesca that they say was built at
the place where Simon falls in like he's super duel,
and they're like they've they've created this, right, and like
you know, basically like you will find it in the
Nuremberg Chronicle. Yeah, it comes up, like you'll find it,
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Like I mean maybe Faust is based on him.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Maybe there's like an apocryphal story about.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Like like Simon and Peter like going in front of Nero.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, and like how and then.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Like Nero like arrests everybody and it's like it's really interesting, right,
So basically what it is is just a really good
story that you can add to whenever you want. And
it's just exciting, isn't it. Like I mean, we're talking
about it for that reason. It's because like the ship
bangs right, like.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You can invent all like you can invent all of
this stuff out with it. Like you could see like
this guy like saying that and then like he gets
bitter because Peter embarrassed him in front of everyone, and
so he's like I'm gonna get back at him, and
so then they're like firing like for real, they're like
firing light from their hands, and like Peter is like
deflecting it with you know, like cross it, you know,
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like spiritual crosses, like yeah, you like and you could
do that, and you're just like I'm writing that ship
who gives Like who gives a fuck?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's like you can kind
of do whatever it is you want with it. It's
cool as ship and like that. That's just what it
comes down to, is that it's way more exciting.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I love it it is.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I love Simon Megas. It's so funny because like the
Bible's pretty open and shut, like he did something bad,
he repented and like in the side of Peter and
that's the end of it like you know, it's like okay, cool,
but then it's like no, no, he thought he fought
uh he fought Peter. He he was Paul and.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
What just what like what is going on?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's like yeah, and he inspires like druids and
some druid anyway, Yeah, Simon megas is a lot of
fun Fluffiesel, thank you for the question. Next, we got
one from a periodic who says, how did medieval people
measure the strength of their beer or other alcoholic beverages?
We know they had different strengths of beer, so how
did they measure this? And a periodic went on to
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say that this was based on a story from a
book about like how some woman who was a brewer
was arrested and received some kind of punishment for doing
understrength beer.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, so they don't have like a way of measuring
it like we do.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Like they're not gonna be able to Oh yo, the
ABV is this brough You just drink it like.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's just man, that is so awesome because drinking, like
how drunk you get is not just based like if
you eat a bunch of bread beforehand.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay, So so for example, I'm I'm just having come
back from the Lowlands, where I simply love to be
where all the beer is like six.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Point five percent.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Like you know, you have a zip like shout a
shout out to to the brewery eye in Amsterdam have
as you have a sip of eyewit and you're like, yep,
that that'll fuck you up, Like you could you could
taste it, you can feel it right as opposed to
a delicious and refreshing pint of bitter here in the UK,
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where you're like, that's definitely like three point eight right,
like you can you can just kind of like tell
from mouth feel and and also you know by drinking
a couple of them, like drink.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
A minute, this bitter is under You're just like why
and there's a hole there's you know, it's just like
the Simpsons, a whole a whole mob shows up because yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, and I mean I think that you you would
kind of try to fake it sometimes, like make it sweeter,
to make it seem like it might be it might
be heavier than it is, and and so a lot
of the faking it involves kind of like flavorings and
things like that. So yeah, like and when you have
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a small beer now you can usually tell it small beer.
I do like small beer, and I'm glad that it's
coming back, like shout out great for if you're me
and you live in the UK and you're like, I'm
about to have a session for seven hours, but I
cannot get trashed beyond yeah, like imagination, right, Like having
table beer or having small beer around is like really
really good.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And so yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
A lot of it is just down to kind of
taste and then you know, just seeing if anyone gets
shit faced.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I got. I
definitely don't know anything about that, but it is very
funny to think about, because you just eat a big meal,
You're gonna be like, wait a minute, this beer isn't
and then you die beira, oh wait yeah, yeah yeah,
this this beer ain't shit. Thirty seven minutes later, Oh no,
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I was digesting.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Anyway, any such cases these days, yeah, even into the
modern day a periodic. Thank you very much for the question. Next,
we got one from MG in your Face, who says
were these smoking and curing meats in the medieval era?
Hermon Iberico Soaprasada Capacola, all the different salamis, and the
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answer at least to the curing thing is dog. We
humans have been doing that, did that like unironically, Like
it's a very very very old practice.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You know, the human lungs in his heart to cure meat.
He does, you know, especially like in.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
A time when you don't have refrigeration and things like that.
So like in terms of like preservation, that was what
was going on up until we invented kind of like
indoor indoor refridges, right, So it's like basically up until
kind of like the nineteenth century, it's like whatever. So
like most often like dehydration is really involved or just
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like salting things.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Right, So you remember like the.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Saint Nicholas legend of how like there's the three boys
who get killed during a famine and then like the
u and the butcher's like trying to salt them down.
It's like because he's gonna make ham out of them, right,
Like that's the thing. So and like you know they're
really traditional ones, so like you know parmham or aha hamalonim.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Barrico and things like that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
You're only supposed to assault them, like you're not supposed
to use anything else, and so that this has been
going on for really quite some time that there isn't
kind of like the same obviously like dop thing. But
people will talk about people's varying sausage recipes or people's
varying like salami recipes. What can be confusing to us
is that it isn't always denoted as a different food
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and you kind of have to know by like context
what they're talking about, like I gig you because of SLAMI.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Is a sausage.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It's just a your sausage, right.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
So and then also obviously rather a lot of smoking.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Was going down, so like especially for fish and eels,
because that is, uh, that's just like the way.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They the only way it's going to stay good for
longer than like thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
You're much more beholden in the Middle Ages to the
seasons and things like that. So if you want to
be able to eat things, you kind of like, uh,
you kind of do it the best that you can, right, So,
like we we do think that there's rather a lot
of bacon.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
They talk about that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Pat was invented in the Middle Ages. That's a little
French medieval way of coming into the world. And also
a really great way of storing things. So yeah, patae
really really big and then like uh you know like
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sometimes like aspects and things that those would come out
right like, but we definitely know that they're drying a
lot of things. We know that they're salting a lot
of things, and you know they're they're coming up with
new strategies right so like like with pate or milanges
and things like that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
So yeah, like it's absolutely going on.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's just that the thing that we lack is great
documentation of it, like saying oh yeah and like here
you go, like it's it's parmahat, Like we we don't
have that as much, but we we do absolutely know
like when when Pate came in, it's like because they're
like everyone like fucking lost their mind, right like y.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just know they've
been doing that ship for a long time and I
enjoy it. Thank you to everyone who did that in
the past. Good uh smoked and cured meat is good.
You heard it here first folks breaking news em gin
your face. Thank you very much for the question. Got
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a couple more, this one from Alie Kant, who says
do you have a favorite sea engine and what and
what one would you love to operate a replica of.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Obviously I do, and obviously I do, and obviously it's
a Trebbusha, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, I've always wanted to throw a watermelon out of
a tribute Sha my entire life. The first time I
saw when I wanted to get a big ass watermelon,
put it in there and just hook it just as
far as it can go.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
As far back as I can remember, I've always operated.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, Like I mean, Trevasha is just whip dude. Like
they're so good. I like how far they can throw things.
I think they're a really good idea.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, watermelons would be really fun to throw, you know,
like even just like a bag of flour and see
it poof up.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
That'd be quite fun.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it's it's got to be Trebuche for me. I
know it's cliche, but also.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Am I wrong? No? I am not Trebuchet all the way, bitch.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I also think it would be really fun to skewer
something with a ballista, just you know, just hit something
with one of those giant ass quivers.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Oh, that'd be great really.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Just like you know, like you just like shoot it
at like a piece of wood and you're like, oh,
that's awesome. All right, cool, Well that was nice. Yeah,
they're awesome. I would like to operate pretty much any
of them because they all seem neat.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
But yeah, the there's somebody trebuche like the big like
cook thing.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
It's just like you're like, it's so heavy, how's it
gonna go? And then it just tosses it and you're like,
oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh my god, that's so cool. Anyway, Uh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I am easily impressed by such things. Lastly, we got
one from let Car who says if Eleanor and Luke
could travel, could time travel back, and it's any event
in the Middle Ages, what would it be? And I'm
just assuming this is like in a time in a
time machine. You can only watch, you can't touch or
(35:03):
do anything. So yeah, Eleanor, what what she got?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I kind of want to go back.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I want to just go over to Smithfield and see
what happened to wat Tyler. I want to see you
who did my boy dirty? I want to see who
the fuck stabbed this man?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Did? Right?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
And I like and I don't I.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Don't like to be English centric like this, but I'm
very I'm very interested to know who's the fuck yeah
killed wat Tyler. I just want to talk, all right.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Then I think like my second choice after that would
be the first defenestration obviously, just to be like, hag
get their ass. And then the third one is I
just want to look at Granada. I just want to
see it, like I just want to get like like
Granada or Constantinople.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I just want to see.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Them interesting, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I would like to see that fucking automatothroom just just yeah,
that's all, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, I think for me, like I mean, I think
I've talked about it before. I want to be a fly.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
On the wall.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
For However, the meeting went between Polynesian wayfarers who made
it all the way to South or Central America and
like the indigenous people, like I just want to see
how that went, how they were able to like negotiate
a compromise where some people took took something, they took
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sweet potatoes back, and also they fucked the nead kids,
Like I want to know how that, like, like I
just I need to see how that worked. The Fall
of Contantinople I would watch every second of that. It
would be so cool. But one that I don't think
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we've ever talked about, mostly because I've really never had
a chance to fit in a description of it. But
in twelve fifty seven, there was a volcanic rruption on
the island of Somalis or I'm sorry, it's the smallest volcano,
which is on the island of Lombac in Indonesia. And
this is one of the like five or six biggest
(37:12):
volcanic eruptions of the last seven thousand years. It's up
there with like when Thera erupted in the ancient era
and then Mount Tambora and stuff like that. And basically
this was such a large explosion and so big that
it caused a year without summer after the fact and
has been indicated as one of the leading one of
(37:37):
the leading causes that changed from the medieval warm climatic
anomaly to the later leading to the later Little I
Sage along with eruption in the fourteen fifties that scientists
can see but don't actually know where it came from,
like you could see it in the record, which again
is something I always find fun. But like I mean,
(37:59):
I don't think it's surprised anyone. Like I love like
the spectacle of this stuff. I Like it's just so
like incredible to me in my head, and like I
can it just seems so amazing and fantastic to see
this thing that like we live on and like nurtures
us and keeps us alive every day, and then all
of a sudden, like for reasons we can't we don't
(38:22):
really fully understand, you'll just get like a huge magma
plume coming up and it will just like it'll poke
through the like thin mantle that we live on and
change the world for decades. Just like I mean, I
don't think it's gonna happen, and we shouldn't be looking
for a savior for this in any regard, But I mean,
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there is a legitimate chance that, like you could just
have a huge volcanic eruption.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
That like.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hurts or causes a lot of the issues with climate
change that we've had to regress. I mean, it would
also kill a lot of people, and it would be horrific.
But like that the ability to change things on that
scale and it being something that we cannot predict because
it's not because there's no predictive way about it. We
barely under we don't fully understand how the planet works,
(39:13):
and we certainly don't understand how to predict where magma
plumes are going to pop up from like the molten core,
and like it's just amazing to me, Like, yeah, I
love it. I would want to see that. I would
want to see, like just see like the pure spectacle
of this mountain losing its top and the sky being
(39:37):
darkened by something like like just incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, Earth you.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Scary, Like yeah, she's so creepy.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What's it like?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, like the other thing, like, okay, so the mantle
that we're on is actually incredibly incredibly incredibly thin. And
I saw it described is that if you stacked up
all three of the the Rings books and you made
that a representation for like the Earth from the mantle
down to the core, the mantle would be as thick
as one single sheet of paper in that Like that
(40:12):
is that is how thin the thing we live on
ry And I.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Mean no, it's it's kept.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's kept things living on this planet for three and
a half billion years. But it is like way for thin,
and like volcanoes can just like pop up like we
can predict some of them with regularity, Like they now
don't think like the Yellowstone Caldera is gonna blow anytime soon.
But like if you look up the if you look
up a list of the most likely volcanoes to erupt next,
(40:40):
you will find ten different lists and ten different answers.
I mean, they'll have some overlap, but there's really no
way to know. Like I think it's a Mount Pittatubo,
which bleww in like nineteen ninety one, apparently as.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The summer that year, I remember that show.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, apparently has refilled its magma reservoir. Like again, they
don't know, like it could be tomorrow, it could be
like hundreds of years. It's insane anyway, geologists, if you
do this regularly and I messed up something here, that's fine,
Please tell me. I will be happy to be wrong.
But uh, yeah, it's fucking yeah. Earth much like space.
(41:19):
Damn Earth, you are awe inspiring and also very scary. Yeah,
so I don't think it's any surprise that I would
like to see that. And again, uh, if I get
to go back in a time machine and they're like,
you can only go to the Middle Ages, I'm like look,
I don't care. I want to see the I want
to see the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Please, let's let's yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Don't make me bag. I mean I will, but don't
make me.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Please, I would like I would like to see some dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I'm gonna one day, one time, I'm gonna do a
bonus episode where I just spend the whole time describing it,
because like it's it is. It's my Roman Empire thing,
like I figured, like it is, that is my thing,
like it is just I think about it weekly, Like
it's like the horrific way that the single worst day
(42:05):
in the history of this planet, like since life has
existed that we know of, is this day, and it
destroyed things that weigh forty fucking tons, just threw them
into mountains.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Uh, we're really small and it's fucking life is fucking incredible.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Anyway, we should keep it going instead of being stupid. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Uh, the dinosaurs died for this. We cannot let a
bunch of everything when our beautiful Tricera toopsis is and
galim mimas is died for this, we cannot do it.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, I can't. Yeah, folks, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
For subscribing to, or for listening and subscribing to We're
Not So Different, a podcast where I occasionally do Persian
reveries about something that happens six a million years that's
I was born yesterday. That can't stop me from reading
about it or watching computer simulations of what it would
be like anyway. And that's also how you beat the
(43:11):
YouTube turn you into a fascist algorithm as you're like,
no thanks, I want to see dimosor I want to
see diamond sword. Go bye bye, folks, thank you, thank
you everyone. Eleanor what's going on with you?
Speaker 4 (43:28):
A great question? You know, the usual.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
So you can find me on Socials at Going Medieval.
I'm gonna be so real with you if you find
me on Blue Sky right now, I'm just melting down
about UK politics on the regular. I guess that I
should talk about the fact that I do have an
Instagram which is called doctor eleanor Yanaga all over case
because someone else stole my name. I mean, if you
(43:55):
you know, I do put historical things on there, but
a lot of time it's like a picture of a
beer I'm drinking.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
But that's another way to keep up with me. And
then I do. Yeah, I think that that's the major
thing that is going on. I think the major thing.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
That you know, call to action is like, do you
guys have you listen to our Crusades thing yet? Go
fucking listen to our Crusades thing. That's the major thing.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
That's what's up, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know where if i'd me, Luca is
amazing on the socials and everything.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You can.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
You know, you can check out my old show people
Say or Republic if you want to hear me talk
about Star Wars. But yeah, that's about it. That is
about it for me, and that's going to do it
for us today. So thank you for listening and we'll
see you next time.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Bye, Dimosaur.
Well, am, my friends, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
You know, it's a beautiful stormy day in London and
you are angry goose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So it's a beautiful stormy day here too, in the Panhandle.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Mmm, in God's country now, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I feel I feel as though it is a different
kind of stormy there.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
But yeah, probably it's fine. It's all rain, it's all nice.
It's you know.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
One of my favorite things to say is we really
needed that rain. You know what we did need the rain.
It's too hot, you need to tamp down the pollen.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, my bitch has loves to say that we really
needed that rain. Like the park, I ride.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
My bike through whatever. I'm like coming up to town.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's been like cooked to ship, you know, like completely brown,
and at the moment it's all green again, and I'm
like hurry.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So yeah, yeah, I love walking my dog and taking
my hat off and what in my head wiping my
arm across my brona. I really could use some rain
and people.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, I love it. I love it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I I'm not always like I. I sometimes have trouble
with small talk because I am socially awkward.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
As you might have guessed and.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Uh, you know, so, like I do kind of get
when people are like I don't like small talk that much,
Like I get that, But when people are like small
talk is stupid, it's like, no, that's the that's the flavor.
That's the flavor of life right there, because it's just
people being like, yeah, you know, that weather interesting. You know,
somebody being like too hot today. It's like, no, I
(01:41):
like it, you know, it's not nice. I was like, okay, cool,
what you know. There you go, there's something you can
talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, we're all experiencing the weather. God damn it. So
it's it's.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
One commonality, no, we have, so yeah, I'm loving it
for me. It's much better than the heat way the
other week.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I'm in a good mood and uh ready to
fucking get to with the questions. We probably should since
I came in late. Sorry everybody, a little peak behind
the curtain, guys, I was late.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It's me so so yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
All right, here we go, Hello, and welcome back to
(02:52):
We're Not So Different, a podcast about how well.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
We really need that rain?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That rain.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
My name is Luke, and I'm always saying that to people,
and as all as I'm joined by doctor Eleanor Yanniga,
who is also always saying that to people.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Today we got mail and in our ongoing effort to
catch up on the mailbag patron questions, we're back to
answer a few more for the month of August, which,
as we all know, is the worst month of the year,
at least here in the Northern Hemisphere. I am assuming
that in the Southern Hemisphere, if you are listening, it
is probably quite nice. If you're in the Southern Hemisphere,
(03:30):
I would like to let me know how the weather
is there. Please reach out and I will give an update.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Worst month in Australia is February. I can tell you that.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, I can believe it. Yeah, there's your August. Not
only that, you have to get Valentine's Day in there too,
the worst holiday not because not because I don't like
showing affection, but because it's made up bullshit so bad.
Partners can like come in and be like, here's a
bunch of shit I got you, please don't leave me,
and they're like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And like yeah, I hate it anyway. Yeah that's me
about Valentine's Day. If you like it, that's cool though.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Anyway, we got some questions here, and you know the deal.
If you want to ask us questions like these, please
do subscribe to the Patreon Patreon dot com slash w
nstpod five bucks a month. You get access to over
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(04:26):
that kind of shit. So yeah, let's do it. We
got a good one here. We've been spain as the
same griebo. Ask does each Simpson have a dominant humor?
I'm discounting Maggie on account of her being too young
to know what her dominant humor is, And yes, absolutely,
I think so Okay, So I had to look up
(04:48):
like the chart because I do not remember what they
stand for. I just don't like that it's indastinguishable from
modern astrology to me, Sorry to all my medieval humor's heads.
But so I think the one I think like Lisa
is black bile.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, she's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Thinking, you know, all that sort of stuff. I think
Marge is phlegmatic, so phlem I guess because she's just
she's she's quiet until she's not. And I mean she
does go along with a whole lot of bullshit. She's
(05:36):
you know her one of her big traits is just
being good natured.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, so I was gonna put her at sanguine myself.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Okay, okay, oh yeah, I can see that because she
is very she is very social.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
She's like, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
She's she's like she's bobbing along.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, okay, I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I will definitely defer to these on you because I
could just be looking at something stupid that someone put on.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I was like, actually, that kind of it's kind.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Of Homer choleric, like blood because he's just fucking nuts
all the time. Everything is insane. He's quick to do everything,
quick to anger, you know, all that sort of stuff.
He's not organized or you know anything, but.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know, he he's Homer.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And I barked sanguine Coleric sitting in the middle.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Because Bart is social and he like really has issues concentrating.
But like a lot of that stuff doesn't really described him.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, Like, and I guess that's the thing is that
I think that he's like kind of choleric, you know,
but like, yeah, it's difficult to say, right, it's difficult
to say.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I don't think that like we I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I wouldn't call him phlegmatic, is the thing, Like, I
don't think that we have we don't have like four
perfect ones here.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That, right, No, you have Lisa and Homer I think
are the two that fit like the best into one
of these Lisa being melancholic because I mean all of
these things, you know, poetic, thinks, deeply, takes things very personally,
you know, compassionate, these you know, these are Lisa traits.
And you know, Homer is fiery, quick to action, he
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does have keen interest, quick to judge, you know, and
he is heroic in in circumstances. So you know, like
those two and then Bart and Marge. You know, I
don't really see an you know, an an ill mannered
ADHD child where they fit specifically in the quadrant.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Yeah, So that's me, you know, Yeah, I guess it's like,
you know what what it ends up kind of being
is that I think that we I think that we
do have to kind of call Marge sanguine because I
think that she is friendly and she and she's an idealist.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, oh, I'll defer to all of this on you because,
as I said, I could just be pulling interest.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, it's like I think that this works.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I think that what what we don't really have is
anyone that is like specifically phlegmatic, you know, like they
don't there's no ere here. I mean, and don't get
me wrong, you could say that about like melancholic people, right,
but you know, there there's that poeticism that has it.
There's it's just more like the you know. So yeah,
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I think that what we what we got here is
in excess of like the of the caloric.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm going with.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's what I'm going with because in many ways, like
Homer and Bart are just kind of like yeah, you
know that they're they're the same but slightly different angles.
So I think that like maybe Bart's just got a
little bit more sanguine thrown in there.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, Bart, Bart is Bart is Homer, like is
the small version of Homer if Homer grew up later
instead of growing up like in the fifties and sixties
with his You know that that is what they are,
and that's you know, that's the funny and they did
that on purpose, like Homer's or Bart's supposed to hate
Homer and he's just the same, Like you know, that's
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the the thing. Uh yeah, so uh we in Spain
is just agreeable. Thank you very much for the question.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I love this question.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yes, uh yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I'm trying to think if there's anybody who's just like
a total fucking e or like I guess Millhouse.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, yeah, Gil, you know, yeah, Gil is yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Gil, there you go, Gil Millhouse for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Next we got one from dog God, who says, what's
the deal with medieval automatons?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
To modern people?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
They seem like very advanced technology, requiring extensive skills to produce,
But they seem to have been just been mildly impressive
novelties which were only meant to show off and were
never used for anything useful. What intellectual tradition allowed people
to develop such intricate machines and why did it take
so long for that knowledge be used in practical applications
like clocks and sewing machines.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well, I guess that the answer is a lot of
the time, even when they do have them just as
kind of like show off things. They are clocks. Yeah,
They're like I'm showing off my clock.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You know, like or a compass in China. They were like,
look at my compass that fits on a giant fucking
like table thing and goes.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
All which ways. Like oh that's so cool man, thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like, my favorite exhibition in the British Museum is the clocks,
and they've got this great I think it's fifteenth century
off the top of my head, a ship Autoumatac clock
and apparently you would take it on a banquet table
and it would like go up and down the table
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and shoot off little cannons like with the at the
varying times and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And I'm just like hell yeah, brother, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And I guess the reason why they don't take off
comes down to the fact that they it's a vastly
different society that thinks about things differently.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The industrialized and post industrialized world's way of looking at
everything that you make as a form of tech, which
is applicable very specifically in terms of work, is new, right.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They just lack that.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
They don't they don't have this same like oh yeah,
and then this could be put to work thing because
what is the thing that people do right?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And this isn't to say that they don't have machines.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
They certainly do have lots of machine, but there's less
of an idea that work could be happening away from humans.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
M h.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You know what I mean, it's like, and that is.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
An intellectual leap and it's difficult for us to see
that now because we just were stud in it. We're
baked writing, right, but it is fundamentally really different, and
that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think the intellectual tradition here is
just stories, Like they have stories of these things, you know,
that the gods could do things or that God could
cause things to be moved. So you know, you have
the stories of the you know, the the Jewish lore
of the of the Gollumns.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And the.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Lysis has at Autumata doesn't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, and uh, you know in ancient Greek literature they
talked about how you know, this God made you know,
the these watchdogs and this God made these things move, and.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I mean I think it comes from that. But
they also had stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I mean there you know, there is the uh antiic
thera mechanism, which is an old way of designing. It's
a it's basically an ory to trace the four year
cycles of the sun and predict eclipses, which it did.
They also had similar things in China, of course, But
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I think, like in the Middle Ages, this is like
it is, this is stuff made by extremely skilled artisans,
some of the most skilled people in the world at
the time, who would be able to do this kind
of stuff. It's not going to be something that like
a general like you know, you run down to the
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local store in your village of one hundred people and
there's some guy there who can make like a brass
molded automat time with hot wind moving through pipes like
they you know, these people were like extremely skilled smith's
and engineers for their time, and they knew how to
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do this stuff. So I mean, one, it's very hard too.
It's a form of conspicuous consumption because how is anyone
else going to like a ford or use this like
on a massive scale. And I mean a good when
I think I've talked about it before, but in Constantinople,
they had this whole thing where they could like move
the throne they get through like a percussive wind based system.
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And there's a quote from a guy named Leotprand of
Cremona from nine to forty nine, and he was in
the Emperor Theophilis's palace, and he says, quote lions made
of bronze or wood covered with gold, which stuck, which
stuck the ground with their tails and roared with open
mouths and quivering tongue and quivering tongue. A tree of
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gilded bronze, it's branches filled with birds. Likewise, a bronze
made of bronze gilded over and these emitting cries appropriate
to their species. And the Emperor's thrown itself, which was
made in such a cunning manner that at one moment
it was down on the ground, while at another it
rose up and was to be seen up in the air.
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So like this is something for the ultra ultra rich
in a way for them to show off. And I
mean it's just medieval conspicuous consumption, or a version of
it anyway.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, And I guess that you've really hit on something here, Luke,
which is that you would need so many of these
incredibly skilled people and a market.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
To sell things too. And I guess that's the thing is.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That there's no market, right, Yeah, you don't have consumption
in the same way.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So yeah, unless you sold this to the three richest
families in your region of Europe, like okay, you can go.
There are like maybe four other regions where you can
do that. So that's like, you know twelve, you sold
twelve of these and now what.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Like yeah, you can't have like an entire warehouse full
of people doing this, right, like and who's got he's.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Going to be repairing them?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Like you like the like like this would require Yeah,
this would require an extreme depth of knowledge that would
have to be like specifically passed down so the stuff
stayed into effect, and I mean a lot of it didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Like the stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The remains of the stuff we found is like badly
worn and melted, parsonally melted and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So you know, yeah, basically think the reason they did
it for clocks was because it made it easy because
everybody's like, we do kind of need a way to
figure out when the hours of the day are going by.
That would be good, you know that for everyone. I
think that was kind of an unspoken problem that they
were all kind of like this whole system's real ify
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like like, but tomorrow we're waking up at like five
thirty because you know what it's raining or what?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, anyway, dog God, thank you for the question.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Next, we have one that's close to my heart because
I always find the character so funny from fluff Weasel,
who says, if you ever covered Simon Magas in an
episode of Simon the Biblical figure. I first read about
him in the book The Rise of Magic in Medieval
Europe by Valerie Flint, an interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Great book, really great book.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Everybody good book alert, holy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Shit, she may go, there you go, and one of
my second best bookshop finds. He seems like an interesting
character surrounded by apocryphal like doing magic battle with Saint
Peter in Rome. How big of a character was he
in the medieval imagination? Okay, I'm gonna let Eleanor talk
about him in the medieval imagination in.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Just a second, because he was.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But I need to say that this is this is
what the Bible says about Simon Magas. It is an
incredibly open and shut thing, and you will soon find
out that he's one of the biggest biblical glup shitdows.
People fucking love inventing stories from Acts chapter eight, verse nine.
But there was a certain man called Simon, which before
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time in the same city you sorcery and bewitch the
people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great
one to whom they all gave heed, from the least
to the greatest, saying, this man is the great power
of God. And to him they had regard, because that
of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But
when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom
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of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized,
both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also, and
when he was baptized, he continued with Philip and wondered
beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Now, when the.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Apostles, which where at Jerusalem, heard that Samaria had received
the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John, who,
when they were come down, prayed for them that they
might receive the Holy ghosts, for it had not fallen
on them yet. I'm not reading all that shit. Then
they laid their hands on them, and they received the
holy ghosts. And when Simon saw that through the laying
on of the apostles' hands, the Holy Ghost was given.
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He offered them money, saying, give me also this power,
that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the
Holy Ghost.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Which it's not good, but okay.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
But Peter said to him, thy money perish with THEE,
because thou hast thought the gift of God may be
purchased with money. Thou hast either part nor lot in
this matter. For the hot for thy heart is not
right in the side of God. Repent therefore of thy wickedness,
and pray God if perhaps the thought of thine heart
may be forgiven THEE. For I perceive that thou art
in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
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Then answered Simon and said, pray ye to the Lord
for me that none of these things which he has
spoken come upon me.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
He's doing some heretical stuff. He hears the truth, he
gets baptized, He backslides a little. He's like, I mean,
can I want to be able to do this? I
want to spread the word, you know. And he does
something silly, and Peter rebukes him, which is all finding good,
and rebukes him in the same way Christ, with the
same stuff about how being rich is evil and you
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can't buy God with money.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Nudge nudge, and sybody, you know what.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Okay, you're right, my bad. Cool, that's it. That's that's
the biblical story of Simon Vegas. Now, eleanor would you
like to tell us how Simon Megas ended up doing
wizard battles with Saint Peter on the fucking at the
Golden Gates.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Of listen, because it's sick as hell.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Bra No, no, no, I'm not disagreeing with that.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Basically all of the Simon Megas stuff comes mostly from
apocryphal works, so we get stuff like there's the Acts
of Peter, which are second century. Then you get like
the Pseudo Clementines, which is like third century, and this
is like this is about the conversion of the Clement
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of Rome. Uh and he is like it's like a
buddy It's like Kung Fu. It's like a buddy thing
where Clement of Rome travels around with Peter and like
they like run into Simon majors, they like have to
do like battle people.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think there's also in the Epistle of the Apostles
which again Aprorhal he's in there. And that's not really
surprising because the the Epistle of the Apostles is like
a really apocalyptic in nature. So it's got kind of
like a lot of talking about things like that, and
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so like these are all things that are kind of
happening in late antiquity, and in late antiquity there's like
rather a lot of interest in talking.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
About these things.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And also, I guess the thing that you have to understand,
both in a late antique sense and in a medieval sense,
is there's a lot of confusing individuals in the Bible. Like,
so what ends up happening is anytime like a wizard
gets mentioned, everyone goes ah shit, Simon Mages right, Like,
this is what happens with Mary Magdalen.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Right, his name is a byword for an evil wizard.
Now that's what a mega is, Like yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Exactly, Yeah, Like I guess we have this problem with
Mary Magdalen, right, where like all of the Mary's in
the Gospel's got confused and they're like, oh, that's just
one bitch, right, and it is indeed three. So like
you do see this all the time, and there's this
kind of there's a desire to sort of square circles.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I guess this is the thing to say about it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
There's a real desire to kind of like pin things
in place and say this person is this person. So
you go through it and you just start going, oh yeah,
that guy, like that guy in you know whatever is
is Simon Magus. And then you get to the medieval
period and everyone's like, hell yeah, brother, I love this guy.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I love this shit, which is exactly what I do too,
because like there will be a character and people like
people have like a weird idea of this because like
you don't, like most people don't like look at that
guy and be like he's gonna be my glove shitdow,
like when they see something, like you see something and
it like just triggers this weird thing in your mind
and they get kind of stuck there, like Yoda, Like
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Yoda has been stuck in my mind since I was
a little little kid, because he's just so fucking weird.
He's nine hundred, he's like thirty six inches tall, he
can lift like starships with his mind. It's just like
that's really cool. And so I totally get this. I
totally get why. I mean people do this because the
Bible's like he was a magic Not only did he
do magic, he did it in such a way that
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these people believe them. And then he tried to buy
the magic from Peter and like and so I get
why they did it, but it's just so funny to me.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, And like then people kind of get confused with
it and they're like is he Paul Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
and they're like, no, guys, he isn't.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But like so for example, there's a there's a church
in Rome, Santa Francesca that they say was built at
the place where Simon falls in like he's super duel,
and they're like they've they've created this, right, and like
you know, basically like you will find it in the
Nuremberg Chronicle. Yeah, it comes up, like you'll find it,
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Like I mean maybe Faust is based on him.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Maybe there's like an apocryphal story about.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Like like Simon and Peter like going in front of Nero.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, and like how and then.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Like Nero like arrests everybody and it's like it's really interesting, right,
So basically what it is is just a really good
story that you can add to whenever you want. And
it's just exciting, isn't it. Like I mean, we're talking
about it for that reason. It's because like the ship
bangs right, like.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You can invent all like you can invent all of
this stuff out with it. Like you could see like
this guy like saying that and then like he gets
bitter because Peter embarrassed him in front of everyone, and
so he's like I'm gonna get back at him, and
so then they're like firing like for real, they're like
firing light from their hands, and like Peter is like
deflecting it with you know, like cross it, you know,
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like spiritual crosses, like yeah, you like and you could
do that, and you're just like I'm writing that ship
who gives Like who gives a fuck?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's like you can kind
of do whatever it is you want with it. It's
cool as ship and like that. That's just what it
comes down to, is that it's way more exciting.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I love it it is.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I love Simon Megas. It's so funny because like the
Bible's pretty open and shut, like he did something bad,
he repented and like in the side of Peter and
that's the end of it like you know, it's like okay, cool,
but then it's like no, no, he thought he fought
uh he fought Peter. He he was Paul and.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
What just what like what is going on?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's like yeah, and he inspires like druids and
some druid anyway, Yeah, Simon megas is a lot of
fun Fluffiesel, thank you for the question. Next, we got
one from a periodic who says, how did medieval people
measure the strength of their beer or other alcoholic beverages?
We know they had different strengths of beer, so how
did they measure this? And a periodic went on to
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say that this was based on a story from a
book about like how some woman who was a brewer
was arrested and received some kind of punishment for doing
understrength beer.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, so they don't have like a way of measuring
it like we do.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Like they're not gonna be able to Oh yo, the
ABV is this brough You just drink it like.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's just man, that is so awesome because drinking, like
how drunk you get is not just based like if
you eat a bunch of bread beforehand.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay, So so for example, I'm I'm just having come
back from the Lowlands, where I simply love to be
where all the beer is like six.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Point five percent.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Like you know, you have a zip like shout a
shout out to to the brewery eye in Amsterdam have
as you have a sip of eyewit and you're like, yep,
that that'll fuck you up, Like you could you could
taste it, you can feel it right as opposed to
a delicious and refreshing pint of bitter here in the UK,
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where you're like, that's definitely like three point eight right,
like you can you can just kind of like tell
from mouth feel and and also you know by drinking
a couple of them, like drink.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
A minute, this bitter is under You're just like why
and there's a hole there's you know, it's just like
the Simpsons, a whole a whole mob shows up because yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, and I mean I think that you you would
kind of try to fake it sometimes, like make it sweeter,
to make it seem like it might be it might
be heavier than it is, and and so a lot
of the faking it involves kind of like flavorings and
things like that. So yeah, like and when you have
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a small beer now you can usually tell it small beer.
I do like small beer, and I'm glad that it's
coming back, like shout out great for if you're me
and you live in the UK and you're like, I'm
about to have a session for seven hours, but I
cannot get trashed beyond yeah, like imagination, right, Like having
table beer or having small beer around is like really
really good.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And so yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
A lot of it is just down to kind of
taste and then you know, just seeing if anyone gets
shit faced.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I got. I
definitely don't know anything about that, but it is very
funny to think about, because you just eat a big meal,
You're gonna be like, wait a minute, this beer isn't
and then you die beira, oh wait yeah, yeah yeah,
this this beer ain't shit. Thirty seven minutes later, Oh no,
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I was digesting.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Anyway, any such cases these days, yeah, even into the
modern day a periodic. Thank you very much for the question. Next,
we got one from MG in your Face, who says
were these smoking and curing meats in the medieval era?
Hermon Iberico Soaprasada Capacola, all the different salamis, and the
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answer at least to the curing thing is dog. We
humans have been doing that, did that like unironically, Like
it's a very very very old practice.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You know, the human lungs in his heart to cure meat.
He does, you know, especially like in.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
A time when you don't have refrigeration and things like that.
So like in terms of like preservation, that was what
was going on up until we invented kind of like
indoor indoor refridges, right, So it's like basically up until
kind of like the nineteenth century, it's like whatever. So
like most often like dehydration is really involved or just
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like salting things.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Right, So you remember like the.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Saint Nicholas legend of how like there's the three boys
who get killed during a famine and then like the
u and the butcher's like trying to salt them down.
It's like because he's gonna make ham out of them, right,
Like that's the thing. So and like you know they're
really traditional ones, so like you know parmham or aha hamalonim.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Barrico and things like that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
You're only supposed to assault them, like you're not supposed
to use anything else, and so that this has been
going on for really quite some time that there isn't
kind of like the same obviously like dop thing. But
people will talk about people's varying sausage recipes or people's
varying like salami recipes. What can be confusing to us
is that it isn't always denoted as a different food
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and you kind of have to know by like context
what they're talking about, like I gig you because of SLAMI.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Is a sausage.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It's just a your sausage, right.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
So and then also obviously rather a lot of smoking.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Was going down, so like especially for fish and eels,
because that is, uh, that's just like the way.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
They the only way it's going to stay good for
longer than like thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
You're much more beholden in the Middle Ages to the
seasons and things like that. So if you want to
be able to eat things, you kind of like, uh,
you kind of do it the best that you can, right, So,
like we we do think that there's rather a lot
of bacon.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
They talk about that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Pat was invented in the Middle Ages. That's a little
French medieval way of coming into the world. And also
a really great way of storing things. So yeah, patae
really really big and then like uh you know like
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sometimes like aspects and things that those would come out
right like, but we definitely know that they're drying a
lot of things. We know that they're salting a lot
of things, and you know they're they're coming up with
new strategies right so like like with pate or milanges
and things like that.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
So yeah, like it's absolutely going on.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's just that the thing that we lack is great
documentation of it, like saying oh yeah and like here
you go, like it's it's parmahat, Like we we don't
have that as much, but we we do absolutely know
like when when Pate came in, it's like because they're
like everyone like fucking lost their mind, right like y.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just know they've
been doing that ship for a long time and I
enjoy it. Thank you to everyone who did that in
the past. Good uh smoked and cured meat is good.
You heard it here first folks breaking news em gin
your face. Thank you very much for the question. Got
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a couple more, this one from Alie Kant, who says
do you have a favorite sea engine and what and
what one would you love to operate a replica of.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Obviously I do, and obviously I do, and obviously it's
a Trebbusha, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, I've always wanted to throw a watermelon out of
a tribute Sha my entire life. The first time I
saw when I wanted to get a big ass watermelon,
put it in there and just hook it just as
far as it can go.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
As far back as I can remember, I've always operated.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, Like I mean, Trevasha is just whip dude. Like
they're so good. I like how far they can throw things.
I think they're a really good idea.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, watermelons would be really fun to throw, you know,
like even just like a bag of flour and see
it poof up.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
That'd be quite fun.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it's it's got to be Trebuche for me. I
know it's cliche, but also.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Am I wrong? No? I am not Trebuchet all the way, bitch.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I also think it would be really fun to skewer
something with a ballista, just you know, just hit something
with one of those giant ass quivers.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Oh, that'd be great really.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Just like you know, like you just like shoot it
at like a piece of wood and you're like, oh,
that's awesome. All right, cool, Well that was nice. Yeah,
they're awesome. I would like to operate pretty much any
of them because they all seem neat.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
But yeah, the there's somebody trebuche like the big like
cook thing.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
It's just like you're like, it's so heavy, how's it
gonna go? And then it just tosses it and you're like,
oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh my god, that's so cool. Anyway, Uh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I am easily impressed by such things. Lastly, we got
one from let Car who says if Eleanor and Luke
could travel, could time travel back, and it's any event
in the Middle Ages, what would it be? And I'm
just assuming this is like in a time in a
time machine. You can only watch, you can't touch or
(35:03):
do anything. So yeah, Eleanor, what what she got?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I kind of want to go back.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I want to just go over to Smithfield and see
what happened to wat Tyler. I want to see you
who did my boy dirty? I want to see who
the fuck stabbed this man?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Did? Right?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
And I like and I don't I.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Don't like to be English centric like this, but I'm
very I'm very interested to know who's the fuck yeah
killed wat Tyler. I just want to talk, all right.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Then I think like my second choice after that would
be the first defenestration obviously, just to be like, hag
get their ass. And then the third one is I
just want to look at Granada. I just want to
see it, like I just want to get like like
Granada or Constantinople.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I just want to see.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Them interesting, you know.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I would like to see that fucking automatothroom just just yeah,
that's all, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, I think for me, like I mean, I think
I've talked about it before. I want to be a fly.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
On the wall.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
For However, the meeting went between Polynesian wayfarers who made
it all the way to South or Central America and
like the indigenous people, like I just want to see
how that went, how they were able to like negotiate
a compromise where some people took took something, they took
(36:29):
sweet potatoes back, and also they fucked the nead kids,
Like I want to know how that, like, like I
just I need to see how that worked. The Fall
of Contantinople I would watch every second of that. It
would be so cool. But one that I don't think
(36:49):
we've ever talked about, mostly because I've really never had
a chance to fit in a description of it. But
in twelve fifty seven, there was a volcanic rruption on
the island of Somalis or I'm sorry, it's the smallest volcano,
which is on the island of Lombac in Indonesia. And
this is one of the like five or six biggest
(37:12):
volcanic eruptions of the last seven thousand years. It's up
there with like when Thera erupted in the ancient era
and then Mount Tambora and stuff like that. And basically
this was such a large explosion and so big that
it caused a year without summer after the fact and
has been indicated as one of the leading one of
(37:37):
the leading causes that changed from the medieval warm climatic
anomaly to the later leading to the later Little I
Sage along with eruption in the fourteen fifties that scientists
can see but don't actually know where it came from,
like you could see it in the record, which again
is something I always find fun. But like I mean,
(37:59):
I don't think it's surprised anyone. Like I love like
the spectacle of this stuff. I Like it's just so
like incredible to me in my head, and like I
can it just seems so amazing and fantastic to see
this thing that like we live on and like nurtures
us and keeps us alive every day, and then all
of a sudden, like for reasons we can't we don't
(38:22):
really fully understand, you'll just get like a huge magma
plume coming up and it will just like it'll poke
through the like thin mantle that we live on and
change the world for decades. Just like I mean, I
don't think it's gonna happen, and we shouldn't be looking
for a savior for this in any regard, But I mean,
(38:42):
there is a legitimate chance that, like you could just
have a huge volcanic eruption.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
That like.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Hurts or causes a lot of the issues with climate
change that we've had to regress. I mean, it would
also kill a lot of people, and it would be horrific.
But like that the ability to change things on that
scale and it being something that we cannot predict because
it's not because there's no predictive way about it. We
barely under we don't fully understand how the planet works,
(39:13):
and we certainly don't understand how to predict where magma
plumes are going to pop up from like the molten core,
and like it's just amazing to me, Like, yeah, I
love it. I would want to see that. I would
want to see, like just see like the pure spectacle
of this mountain losing its top and the sky being
(39:37):
darkened by something like like just incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, Earth you.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Scary, Like yeah, she's so creepy.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What's it like?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, like the other thing, like, okay, so the mantle
that we're on is actually incredibly incredibly incredibly thin. And
I saw it described is that if you stacked up
all three of the the Rings books and you made
that a representation for like the Earth from the mantle
down to the core, the mantle would be as thick
as one single sheet of paper in that Like that
(40:12):
is that is how thin the thing we live on
ry And I.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Mean no, it's it's kept.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's kept things living on this planet for three and
a half billion years. But it is like way for thin,
and like volcanoes can just like pop up like we
can predict some of them with regularity, Like they now
don't think like the Yellowstone Caldera is gonna blow anytime soon.
But like if you look up the if you look
up a list of the most likely volcanoes to erupt next,
(40:40):
you will find ten different lists and ten different answers.
I mean, they'll have some overlap, but there's really no
way to know. Like I think it's a Mount Pittatubo,
which bleww in like nineteen ninety one, apparently as.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The summer that year, I remember that show.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, apparently has refilled its magma reservoir. Like again, they
don't know, like it could be tomorrow, it could be
like hundreds of years. It's insane anyway, geologists, if you
do this regularly and I messed up something here, that's fine,
Please tell me. I will be happy to be wrong.
But uh, yeah, it's fucking yeah. Earth much like space.
(41:19):
Damn Earth, you are awe inspiring and also very scary. Yeah,
so I don't think it's any surprise that I would
like to see that. And again, uh, if I get
to go back in a time machine and they're like,
you can only go to the Middle Ages, I'm like look,
I don't care. I want to see the I want
to see the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Please, let's let's yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Don't make me bag. I mean I will, but don't
make me.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Please, I would like I would like to see some dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I'm gonna one day, one time, I'm gonna do a
bonus episode where I just spend the whole time describing it,
because like it's it is. It's my Roman Empire thing,
like I figured, like it is, that is my thing,
like it is just I think about it weekly, Like
it's like the horrific way that the single worst day
(42:05):
in the history of this planet, like since life has
existed that we know of, is this day, and it
destroyed things that weigh forty fucking tons, just threw them
into mountains.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Uh, we're really small and it's fucking life is fucking incredible.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Anyway, we should keep it going instead of being stupid. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Uh, the dinosaurs died for this. We cannot let a
bunch of everything when our beautiful Tricera toopsis is and
galim mimas is died for this, we cannot do it.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, I can't. Yeah, folks, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
For subscribing to, or for listening and subscribing to We're
Not So Different, a podcast where I occasionally do Persian
reveries about something that happens six a million years that's
I was born yesterday. That can't stop me from reading
about it or watching computer simulations of what it would
be like anyway. And that's also how you beat the
(43:11):
YouTube turn you into a fascist algorithm as you're like,
no thanks, I want to see dimosor I want to
see diamond sword. Go bye bye, folks, thank you, thank
you everyone. Eleanor what's going on with you?
Speaker 4 (43:28):
A great question? You know, the usual.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
So you can find me on Socials at Going Medieval.
I'm gonna be so real with you if you find
me on Blue Sky right now, I'm just melting down
about UK politics on the regular. I guess that I
should talk about the fact that I do have an
Instagram which is called doctor eleanor Yanaga all over case
because someone else stole my name. I mean, if you
(43:55):
you know, I do put historical things on there, but
a lot of time it's like a picture of a
beer I'm drinking.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
But that's another way to keep up with me. And
then I do. Yeah, I think that that's the major
thing that is going on. I think the major thing.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
That you know, call to action is like, do you
guys have you listen to our Crusades thing yet? Go
fucking listen to our Crusades thing. That's the major thing.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
That's what's up, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, you know where if i'd me, Luca is
amazing on the socials and everything.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You can.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
You know, you can check out my old show people
Say or Republic if you want to hear me talk
about Star Wars. But yeah, that's about it. That is
about it for me, and that's going to do it
for us today. So thank you for listening and we'll
see you next time.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Bye, Dimosaur.
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