July 8, 2025 • 27 mins
On this episode of WYHA, Anna and Matt are back after Anna's maternity and obviously, a lot has changed... Anna talks us through becoming a mother to her beautiful baby boy Suede and how her & Michael are navigating parenthood. Plus Matt address some very personal news.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, guys, this is going to be a little bit
of a different intro to what we're used to and
the usual. I just wanted to take a moment before
Anna comes in and just talk directly to you guys
and to my listeners that we hear from the start.
By now you would have heard that Tammy and I
are getting a divorce. There is no easy way for
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me to say this and to speak about it. I'm
absolutely shattered to announce it, to be honest, but at
the end of the day, we weren't right for each other,
and in this relationship, I've learnt a lot about myself.
I've learned a lot about what I need in a
relationship and what's right for me. And moving forward, I'm
going to focus on myself and focus on healing and
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moving forward with my life. I know there's a lot
of speculation and people are looking for me to say
a tael all and clear up all the whispers online,
but that's not me. It's not the right way to
go about this. This is literally real life. This is
happening to me right now, and I'm still trying to
process it. I'm still trying to heal from it. At
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the end of the day. Tammy is a mother of
three beautiful children, and I think that I have too
much respect for us and the relationship we had, and
that's just not something I want to do. This has
been one of the toughest periods of my life, and
it's honestly been so stressful on my mental health. And
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right now I'm not in a place where i want
to talk about this any further. But I've been hanging
around my loved ones, my family. I've been going to therapy,
which has helped heaps in navigating this time in my life.
I'd just like to say I appreciate everyone's understanding and
kindness during this time. I'm so grateful for all the
kind messages I get and trust me like they mean
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the world to me. I think coming here every week
and doing an hour podcast with my best friend Anna
is going to be healthy for me to forget what's
going on and just have fun. Obviously, Anna's in a
different stage of her life now, she's just had a kid,
so coming in here and being around that energy is
contagious and I love doing that, so I'm keen to
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move forward doing that. And to my listeners, thank you
for staying with me through all these life stages. Whilst
this isn't one I wanted to take you on. I
hope you can give me grace as I navigate through
this difficult time. Thank you. Hello, welcome back everybody to
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where's your head at?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm back from eternity?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Lee? You are Anna? Where's your head at?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well? I've been up since four am. I'm very sleep deprived.
They currently have a stye in my eye, don't know how,
never had one before. Wisdom Too has decided to come
through really happening. We also have Swayed Staples my baby.
I don't know have I introduced that I have a baby.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
This is so strange introduce to everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So I had a baby in late May. His name
is Swede Ashton Staples. You were not close, Matt never got.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
The name, never got there, never got there.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
He tried to pick.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Wait, I got close one time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What did you get close?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Sage?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
No? So, okay, we need to give everyone context now
that we're back. So we had an episode come out
and Matt was like, I know the name Sage. I
think it's Sage. But Sage and Swayede do they sound
the same. I think they kind of sound like they're
in the same family.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, but you cut it out of the episode, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah. I actually was like to our producer, I was like, hey,
can you just take that out because I don't want
anyone to guess the name. No one guessed it obviously
because it's quite unique. Well, just should we go into it.
I don't know the name was actually leaked or outed
by someone, so obviously, when Swade was born, I shared
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the news with our friends and family, texted everyone, sent
a photo as you do, gave his name, birth way, birthday,
and I don't know how on earth this happened, but
an influencer page has obviously got a tip off, which
is what it was called. I was tipped off and
she outed the name and I was really sad, like
I was devastated.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah that's your place to release, release or announce.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Then yeah it's okay, Like I announced it the next day,
so it wasn't like a huge hand Yeah yeah, but yeah,
I didn't want to announce his name or the birth
straight away because I really just wanted to be in
the bubble and be present and just to like really
remember the moments and not to be like focused on socials,
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like I still film things. But then I put my
phone away and was just like, oh my god, I
love this baby so much. I'm so obsessed with him.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, and I've met him a couple of times and
every time he gets cuter on his name though.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So on the day Suede was born, I'm doing word
or I'm trying to get better at my spelling, I'm
trying to get better at my vocabulary and all that
sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Before you before you continue, wordle is so fun.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It is, it's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That is it's frustrating, frustrating. You get better at it
as you do it. If anyone's played word or before.
Basically you have to guess a five letter word and
you get like six guesses and it kind of gives
you like, if you're close, it's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Green, if the letter's in the right place, and it's yellow.
If it's in the word but not in the right place,
it's great. If it's not involved, yes, But on that
but on the day Swede was born, you can't make
this up. The word all of the day was swede,
I know, wild, and there was what was it the
percentage zero zero zero zero.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Point four zero point zero zero four five.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Wow, Well you just said that's that's gn that is
that is unreal, Like, you can't make that stuff up.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't know. I'm a very spiritual person, and you
I think it was your mum had messaged me, yeah
and was like, Swede is the word.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Of the day, to beat me to the word of
the word.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, And obviously Swayede was born that day, and I
was like, oh my god, it's like my grandparents just
being like Swayede is his name, Like, we're here, We're
looking down on you. That was pretty special.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's amazing. You can't make it up. It was meant
to be.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You literally can't make it up. And obviously you have
addressed our audience at the top of this episode, but I,
as your friends, wanted to check in. How are you going,
How are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, obviously we've both gone through some life changes over
our break. Yeah, I'm struggling a lot. Obviously this wasn't
what I wanted nor expected to happen. Going to therapy
quite regularly. I haven't spoken that much to you or
friends about it because I feel like not many people
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understand the ins and outs of it. So yeah, I
talk a lot with my therapists, and it's just getting
a better understanding of everything and book. It's heartbreaking. I
think it comes and goes in waves. It's really strange
time in my life. But I feel like the main
thing I'm focusing on now is healing myself and coming
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out with a better understanding of myself and life. I
feel Do you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Feel like you guys made the right decision?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean you guys wouldn't have got married if
you didn't think it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Forever, so exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, thank you for sharing. We all really appreciate it.
I know that it's not something that you fully want
to jump into. You're just healing and looking after you
and your mental health, and I think that's really important.
I know that your mental health has suffered, so yeah,
just looking after yourself, doing things to fill your cup.
We've both gone through some very big life changes. So
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there's a lot that's going to be happening on the
podcast coming up, and you know, we just want to
move forward. And yeah, I'm always here to support you,
and I'd like to.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Say thank you for that, and my friends and family
for being there for me through this rough time. I
really appreciate it as well. I know I obviously, like
I said, I'm not sharing completely everything, so I'm trying
to heal myself, but I appreciate everyone being there for me.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And I think just a reminder as well. Divorce is
super hard. I can't even imagine doing it in the
public eye like you have and everyone having their opinions
and putting their two cents in without actually knowing what's happened.
So just a reminder to give everyone in the situation grace.
Let everyone have a chance to heal. And we wish
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Matt and Tabbing nothing but the best.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And I was on TikTok and I was saw you
post about getting mum shamed already.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The mum shaming has officially begun.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Who's the person shaming you at the mum?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yes, yes, it's other mums. I think happened to women
sticking with women and like I know, women's sporting women
to be fair. So basically, this woman commented on a
video that I posted about getting my hair done because
I wanted to have like a little refresh because I
was feeling a bit shit. And when you feel shit,
you're not your best self. And you know they always say,
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put the oxygen on yourself first before helping your child.
It's like you need to be feeling good so that
you can be the best version of yourself for your baby.
And I totally and one hundred percent believe that I
do as well. And anyway, put up a video of
me getting my hair done and this girl said, oh, well,
she was off getting her hair done. Half her luck.
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Most mums have no time to shower, let alone spend
hours at the salon. And to be fair, I had
had a bad day and it was just like that
one comment that just like throws you over the edge.
And I was like, all right, that's it. I've had it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I just couldn't imagine. I could not. And I've said
this before. That's commenting stuff like that, and yeah, just
oh some of the stuff I read, it's just like
you're awful. It's so awful. And it's almost like these
people are like sad. Imagine I don't know, Yeah, they're
sad in their own life.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, And I think like, look, I if you're someone
who maybe doesn't have a lot of support, and you
see another mum who has a six week old and
they're out getting their head done. Maybe you're like, damn,
that's like really upsetting and that's annoying. But I have
never been under the pretense of like, well she shouldn't
get to do it if I can't get to do it.
(10:29):
It's like that's not how very toxic. Yeah, Like, I
think we need to support each other, and like, you know,
women should support other women, especially other mums. I think mums,
from what I've seen in my short time of being
a mum, can be the people who are the source
of these comments. So yeah, I just had it and
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I was like, that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Didn't Indy Clinton expose a couple of them and they
are moms as well.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah. Interestingly she got a private investigation and was uncovering
all of these people who were term trolls of hers,
and a lot of them happened to be mums, which
is a shame. I will say, there's no.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Place in society for that sort of behavior.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't Yeah, no, I agree. I mean it is funny.
The other day, someone in my comment section on TikTok
left like a troll comment, and then obviously someone who
this person knows, so this troll they've been like high
and then the name so let's say it's Hi Jane.
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They're like, hih Jane, and then the troll was like
ha ha loll and she like got caught, Like she
got caught out being a troll. Can you imagine someone
you know and you catch them out trolling something. It's
never happened to me.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh, I don't associate with people that would do that
sort of behavior, but just imagine I'd be so embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Anyone. I want to know from you guys, actually, have
you ever caught a friend or a family men, or
just maybe someone you know and you've saw them in
a comments section trolling. It happened recently to a mutual
person that we know. I'm pretty sure they would listen
to this podcast as well, so we're not going to
say too much, but yeah, we saw that they were
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trolling your divorce and I just thought.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Wow, it's icky, it's ikey.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But anyway, the mum shaming has begun. I'm going to
keep you guys updated on the mum shaming because it's
kind of like it's a music because I don't take
it personally, but like I want to share with you guys,
like what people are saying. But yeah, get excited for that. Also,
I'm going to share my whole birth story on Where's
Your Bumpat. So the last episode of Where's Your Bump At?
Season one came out yesterday, So if you haven't listened
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to that, go back and check it out. There's so
much good stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'll be listening to the birth story. That's one I'll
clock into.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Then, yeah, fascinating. I'm excited to hear about your birth.
I don't have you told me much about it? No, actually,
probably did.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Listen to it and you'll hear it. It was funny
this morning because I came into the podcast like thirty
minutes early to breastfeed Swede, and I have my mum
in the other room. She's looking after him. Anyway, I
was feeding him and Matt came in and he's like, oh, breastfeeding.
He's like, it's so crazy that, like you could do that. No,
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it is so crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You said how the milk produces what is it antibodies
or something, and I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
On the breastfeeding episode that we had out the lactation
consultant she was like telling us that if someone has
like let's just say you have a cold. Then my
body produces antibodies against that cold to then feed the baby,
to protect the baby.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, so I thought that's fascinating. Yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Mic drop. Oh is there is he coming out? No, no,
that's not it's not swayed. But what it is is
Matt's birthday cake because he and Steady half fever day two.
Everyone's fever. This is great, guys, Thank you, Bethday dear
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man fever too. There's a natural candles on there below
the mall through two one they can wish.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Thank you guys. That's very sweet of everyone. Thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, it is International Chocolate Day, and I know that
you're not really a fan of chocolate.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean I fuck with chocolate, like I.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Asked you before you said you didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like Cara milk, I like white chocolate. I really
like black Forest. Yeah, very unpopular opinion with that one.
Black Forest is unreal. But this is a really cute cake.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Thank you, Anna Well, I got it because it's International
Chocolate Day to day, so I felt like kill two
birds of one stone chocolate cake. I'm sure you'll like it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm sure we'll I'll go into it. Love an arm
and last with it if possible.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
This is not a service.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, I did turn thirty. I'm in the big three
to zero club. I was laughing before I was telling
you a story. On my thirtieth I took my sister's
dog for a walk. He's a Golden Retriever puppy, so
like that thing just goes. And I was playing fetch
with him, and I was just like, he wouldn't stop
fetching the ball, so I was just launching it as
far as I could, trying to get him tired. And
I woke up the next day and my whole shoulder
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is so sore, and I'm like, if I was twenty nine,
i'd be okay, But now that I'm thirty, it's so sore.
But I reckon I slept on it weirdly. But it
must be this throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You've ticked over the.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, excited. I'm having a birthday party this week.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You are Christmas in July.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Christmas in July. Could it be more? Matthew?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
It really couldn't. Like I wouldn't expect anything less. One
thing I will say, Matt has made compulsory that everyone
wears Christmas jumpers, and mine as the mail and it
says that it's coming between today and Sunday, right, did
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm like, it's compulsory. At the end of every post
or anything I posted in the group or messages I've
sent anyone, I just put ps compulsory Christmas jumper. So
hopefully it gets here, Anna.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean if it doesn't, I'll go to like Christmas
Land or.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Something, and yeah, it may messaged me on the weekend
it goes. It's so hard to get Christmas jumpers. I
was like, I told you about this a month ago,
and I gave you six different places to buy them.
Either should posted on the group.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I hosted six different pages where you can get them from.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I got one online because I wanted to be like
sheet Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, I got a really nice one as well. I've
order brand new on I have like a tub somewhere
at my mom so I was like, I'm gonna get
a new one.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I swear if this comes on like Monday, have I'm
going to be pissed. I'll probably wear it to the podcast.
Maybe we should wear our Christmas jumpers to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
That sounds good. Yeah, I wear Christmas recap RecA. It's
going to be fun day.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I've already started pumping milk in all right face and
me and Matt are on such different life pass right now.
But it's kind of hilarious because he's just like, what
is going on with you?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Well, I clicked, why you have to pump milk? I
get it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, Well, yes, I'm gonna aim to have two drinks,
which is a lot for me. I have already had
two drinks in a row since giving birth.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's bottomless.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah no, but I can't because it takes so every
drink I have, it takes two hours for that drink
to wear off out of my breast milk. So if
I have two drinks, that's four hours I have to wait.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
How many pumps? Is that a lot? We were talking
about this about the I was just thinking out I'd
rather waiting to come on and record. We were talking
at Swayed. I was like, imagine wearing a diaper black
as an adult. I know it's an obscure thought. And
you told me that you had to wear a diaper.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I've literally like, I'm only just out of diapers from.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
What Sorry for embarrassing I didn't realize.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'm embarrassing at all. I actually enjoyed wearing a diaper,
like I wasn't paying and pooing in the diaper. Let
me just first preface by saying that. But like, yeah,
when once you give birth, you like bleed a lot,
even if you have a cesarean, which I had, so
you just have to wear like a diaper the whole time.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is it uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's pretty compy. Actually, really try them out. There's no shame.
I loved wearing the diaper, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Maybe I should get one and try it on and see,
don't pull in it. I would, I just would it
Just I feel like it'd be weird wearing a diaper.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It is like you think it's for babies, but like
if you have to, you have to, and it's just
like I don't know, I feel like when you have
a baby, everything goes out the window, like all sense
of dignity is gone. Like it's I don't really have
much shame anyway, though, to be fair, like I'm not
really that embarrassed about a lot of things, so I'm like, mah,
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whatever whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, well, how is it like going with Michael and
you put a baby in the mix going good.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Everyone did scare me before having a baby, being like,
your relationship will change, it's gonna change, and like, obviously
it has to change because we're focused so much on Swayed,
Like Swayed is out everything, like we look, it's so funny.
Michael be like I love you, and I'll be like
I love you and he'll be like is that to
me or Swede and vice versa, like, oh, it's for
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you real quickly.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
When I first met Swede, I walked in and he
was sleeping on the on the what would you call on.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The couch and a little like pillow bed and he's.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Laying there and Anna's looking at me like with his
face and She's like looking at him, looking at me,
and I was like, yeah, it was cute because you
were so proud of him looking at it, and it
was just like, I don't know how to I was
just and You're like looking like look at him, and
I was like, yeah, is it gonna like I was.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Just like, oh yeah, I am so proud of it.
I'm so obsessed with it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You were acting, though, I say, you were acting as
if like he was going to do like a backlift
or something like you're like, look at him, and I
was just like, it's just asleep. No, it was very cute.
It was very cute.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It is I think like you are very like obsessed
with them as new parents, and you just like when
you like when meeting friends, you're like, look.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's that was it. You're just like, look, yeah, look
I created. And I was just like, oh, he's really cute.
But like you were like, it's just funny, like make
thinking he was going to do like a backlift or something.
I was just like, you's a sleep cute. But I
held him and it was really it was really nice.
Like so I haven't held a newborn I reckon since
my brother, so like over ten years ago. And just
something so small and that you've got, like it's just
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you're you're holding them. It's really like.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, what's the words so precious? Yeah, it's really if
you want to protect them. Yeah, it's really grounding and
really like emotional. I feel like you're holding this like
life form that you care about. It's really nice.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah. Something that did make me a little bit emotional
because obviously I had taken photos of you and swayed
and then you sent it to your mum. And I
was on the phone to you a few days later
and your mom was on the phone, and your mum
was saying that it made her really upset seeing you
with like a newborn baby. She was saying, it was
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really bittersweet for her.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I think that, like in the position I'm in,
I may never have the ability to hold my own newborn.
So I can understand why my mum would say that.
And I think actually my family have processed that, whereas
I don't think fully have. And I brought up with
my therapist and I'm talking about I think that in
a way I've not really fully processed it where I
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thought I had. I didn't think of it when I
held swayed in that way. But I think, yeah, I
think maybe in the back of my mind, I might
be there, and I think that's something that I will
get to in mone time.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't see a newborn every day,
so me having one is probably bringing up that conversation
that maybe you and your mom don't really talk about
the fact that you're infertile, so it kind of like
rebrings it to the surface in some ways.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yep. Well, speaking of things coming up, and we were
talking about relationship changing with a newborn. Yeah, has there
any arguments come up between you and Michael, because I could
imagine if you're a very stressful time your whole life
has changed. Like you said.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Before, it can be really stressful. Like I'm not gonna lie.
I did pick a fight with Michael at three am
in the morning about two days ago. So you know what,
Swaye has been an absolute angel. He has been such
a good baby. We have been so blessed. He's been
sleeping well, he eats phenomenally, he loves his boob milk,
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he loves the car, he loves the dummy. He's been great.
Over the past week, the sleep situation has taken a
u turn and he's not been sleeping that well, which
is completely fine. I think it's when they get to
six weeks they kind of can have a growth burd
or a bit of a regression. I don't really know
what they would call it. So he's not sleeping the best,
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and I'm not gonna lie. I did pick a fight
with Michael at three am in the morning, and I
honestly couldn't even tell you what it was about. I
could not I could not tell you what it was about.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, you're half asleep and just yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It's so silly, Like I think me and Michael have
such a solid relationship, but I'm not gonna lie and
say that isn't testing having a newborn and to be
having no sleep and then like he's been at work
now for the past two weeks. Today is my first
day back at work. I'm lucky because I've obviously got
my mom looking after Swede in the next room. But yeah,
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it has been testing and challenging. But I would say overall,
we have done such an amazing job and he is
the best dad, and it's really nice seeing him with
the baby, like they're really cute together, and Swede started
smiling and it's really cute. But yeah, I think we've
had three fights overall. The first fight I do remember,
I like I called out to Michael in the next room,
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was so silly. I called out to him and said
something and then he like didn't reply, and then he
came back in and I was like, you're ignoring me,
and he was like, no, I'm not. I didn't hear
what you said. And I'm like, yeah, but you've ignored
me like three times today like, why are you ignoring me?
Like obviously you don't love me as much as you
used to. Never used to ignore me.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh, speaking about that, and like your hormones everywhere, did
you have any symptoms of postpartum depression?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, I think I'll definitely touch on it more on
Where's your bump hat? But at day five after having
the baby, you have like a hormonal crash, and like
I knew it was coming intellectually, mentally I knew it
was coming, but like day five hit and I was
like anything could have set me off, like when I say,
(24:53):
step me off, Like I was so emotional, like just
sitting down, I was like holding back the tears of
like I don't even know why I was crying. So
it was pretty It's pretty wild, and it kind of
is scary on how I felt very emotionally unstable, very
emotionally unstable. Michael was like a little bit scared. I
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think he was right to feel scared, but it is
scary the levels of deep emotion you feel.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, because I was talking about that with family and
they were saying that maybe Anna's like that, and I
think it was a depressing time for both of us. Yeah,
Like I was in a rut and you're in a rut.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I wouldn't say I was in a rut. I
think I was like really happy and like really in
a bubble. But like, let's just say like I didn't
leave the house for the whole day. I would just
feel like the nighttime would come and I would just
feel so like down and like really upset. And then
I think something that I haven't felt this week but
pretty much throughout Swade's whole life, and Michael feels it
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as well. It gets to like five pm and it's
like the nighttime scary as they call it, and it's
like this dread of the night and it's like literally
five pm on the Dot hits and we're both like
it gets like and it's like I don't even care
about waking up in the middle of the night. Defeeds
raight like I love it, Like I love him. I
look at him. I'm like, oh, like sometimes when he
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wakes up in the middle of the night, I stay
up longer just to cuddle him because I love him
so much. I'm like apparently.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Feeding him as well. Releases, but like don't mean yeah,
whatever it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Is, yeah for the mum and for the baby, I
think to.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Help that, Yeah, to make it more enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Nature is a wild thing, isn't it as well?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like that, it releases the antibodies. It's the nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's it is. It's really like a huge,
like mind blowing moment experience, all of it. But yeah, well, Matt,
it was really great to be back in the studio.
First episode back.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's been two months since we've been in here, over
two months.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It's it feels it feels like a long time, but
in the same way, it's really flow. But I'm also
like back here with a.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Baby and a lot of life changes.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Hey, what is going on? Yeah, I think it's definitely
a new era for me, for you for where's your
head at? We have lots of new things in the
works which we're excited to get.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Back into share with you guys, and.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm excited for it as well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Nice to be back this birthday cake okay
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Guys, thanks for listening.
Okay, guys, this is going to be a little bit
of a different intro to what we're used to and
the usual. I just wanted to take a moment before
Anna comes in and just talk directly to you guys
and to my listeners that we hear from the start.
By now you would have heard that Tammy and I
are getting a divorce. There is no easy way for
(00:21):
me to say this and to speak about it. I'm
absolutely shattered to announce it, to be honest, but at
the end of the day, we weren't right for each other,
and in this relationship, I've learnt a lot about myself.
I've learned a lot about what I need in a
relationship and what's right for me. And moving forward, I'm
going to focus on myself and focus on healing and
(00:43):
moving forward with my life. I know there's a lot
of speculation and people are looking for me to say
a tael all and clear up all the whispers online,
but that's not me. It's not the right way to
go about this. This is literally real life. This is
happening to me right now, and I'm still trying to
process it. I'm still trying to heal from it. At
(01:06):
the end of the day. Tammy is a mother of
three beautiful children, and I think that I have too
much respect for us and the relationship we had, and
that's just not something I want to do. This has
been one of the toughest periods of my life, and
it's honestly been so stressful on my mental health. And
(01:27):
right now I'm not in a place where i want
to talk about this any further. But I've been hanging
around my loved ones, my family. I've been going to therapy,
which has helped heaps in navigating this time in my life.
I'd just like to say I appreciate everyone's understanding and
kindness during this time. I'm so grateful for all the
kind messages I get and trust me like they mean
(01:50):
the world to me. I think coming here every week
and doing an hour podcast with my best friend Anna
is going to be healthy for me to forget what's
going on and just have fun. Obviously, Anna's in a
different stage of her life now, she's just had a kid,
so coming in here and being around that energy is
contagious and I love doing that, so I'm keen to
(02:12):
move forward doing that. And to my listeners, thank you
for staying with me through all these life stages. Whilst
this isn't one I wanted to take you on. I
hope you can give me grace as I navigate through
this difficult time. Thank you. Hello, welcome back everybody to
(02:33):
where's your head at?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm back from eternity?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Lee? You are Anna? Where's your head at?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well? I've been up since four am. I'm very sleep deprived.
They currently have a stye in my eye, don't know how,
never had one before. Wisdom Too has decided to come
through really happening. We also have Swayed Staples my baby.
I don't know have I introduced that I have a baby.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
This is so strange introduce to everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So I had a baby in late May. His name
is Swede Ashton Staples. You were not close, Matt never got.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
The name, never got there, never got there.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
He tried to pick.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Wait, I got close one time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What did you get close?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Sage?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
No? So, okay, we need to give everyone context now
that we're back. So we had an episode come out
and Matt was like, I know the name Sage. I
think it's Sage. But Sage and Swayede do they sound
the same. I think they kind of sound like they're
in the same family.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, but you cut it out of the episode, didn't you.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah. I actually was like to our producer, I was like, hey,
can you just take that out because I don't want
anyone to guess the name. No one guessed it obviously
because it's quite unique. Well, just should we go into it.
I don't know the name was actually leaked or outed
by someone, so obviously, when Swade was born, I shared
(03:59):
the news with our friends and family, texted everyone, sent
a photo as you do, gave his name, birth way, birthday,
and I don't know how on earth this happened, but
an influencer page has obviously got a tip off, which
is what it was called. I was tipped off and
she outed the name and I was really sad, like
I was devastated.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah that's your place to release, release or announce.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Then yeah it's okay, Like I announced it the next day,
so it wasn't like a huge hand Yeah yeah, but yeah,
I didn't want to announce his name or the birth
straight away because I really just wanted to be in
the bubble and be present and just to like really
remember the moments and not to be like focused on socials,
(04:46):
like I still film things. But then I put my
phone away and was just like, oh my god, I
love this baby so much. I'm so obsessed with him.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, and I've met him a couple of times and
every time he gets cuter on his name though.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So on the day Suede was born, I'm doing word
or I'm trying to get better at my spelling, I'm
trying to get better at my vocabulary and all that
sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Before you before you continue, wordle is so fun.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It is, it's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That is it's frustrating, frustrating. You get better at it
as you do it. If anyone's played word or before.
Basically you have to guess a five letter word and
you get like six guesses and it kind of gives
you like, if you're close, it's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Green, if the letter's in the right place, and it's yellow.
If it's in the word but not in the right place,
it's great. If it's not involved, yes, But on that
but on the day Swede was born, you can't make
this up. The word all of the day was swede,
I know, wild, and there was what was it the
percentage zero zero zero zero.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Point four zero point zero zero four five.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Wow, Well you just said that's that's gn that is
that is unreal, Like, you can't make that stuff up.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I don't know. I'm a very spiritual person, and you
I think it was your mum had messaged me, yeah
and was like, Swede is the word.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Of the day, to beat me to the word of
the word.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, And obviously Swayede was born that day, and I
was like, oh my god, it's like my grandparents just
being like Swayede is his name, Like, we're here, We're
looking down on you. That was pretty special.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's amazing. You can't make it up. It was meant
to be.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You literally can't make it up. And obviously you have
addressed our audience at the top of this episode, but I,
as your friends, wanted to check in. How are you going,
How are you feeling?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, obviously we've both gone through some life changes over
our break. Yeah, I'm struggling a lot. Obviously this wasn't
what I wanted nor expected to happen. Going to therapy
quite regularly. I haven't spoken that much to you or
friends about it because I feel like not many people
(06:52):
understand the ins and outs of it. So yeah, I
talk a lot with my therapists, and it's just getting
a better understanding of everything and book. It's heartbreaking. I
think it comes and goes in waves. It's really strange
time in my life. But I feel like the main
thing I'm focusing on now is healing myself and coming
(07:12):
out with a better understanding of myself and life. I
feel Do you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Feel like you guys made the right decision?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean you guys wouldn't have got married if
you didn't think it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Forever, so exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, thank you for sharing. We all really appreciate it.
I know that it's not something that you fully want
to jump into. You're just healing and looking after you
and your mental health, and I think that's really important.
I know that your mental health has suffered, so yeah,
just looking after yourself, doing things to fill your cup.
We've both gone through some very big life changes. So
(07:49):
there's a lot that's going to be happening on the
podcast coming up, and you know, we just want to
move forward. And yeah, I'm always here to support you,
and I'd like to.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Say thank you for that, and my friends and family
for being there for me through this rough time. I
really appreciate it as well. I know I obviously, like
I said, I'm not sharing completely everything, so I'm trying
to heal myself, but I appreciate everyone being there for me.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And I think just a reminder as well. Divorce is
super hard. I can't even imagine doing it in the
public eye like you have and everyone having their opinions
and putting their two cents in without actually knowing what's happened.
So just a reminder to give everyone in the situation grace.
Let everyone have a chance to heal. And we wish
(08:37):
Matt and Tabbing nothing but the best.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And I was on TikTok and I was saw you
post about getting mum shamed already.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The mum shaming has officially begun.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Who's the person shaming you at the mum?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yes, yes, it's other mums. I think happened to women
sticking with women and like I know, women's sporting women
to be fair. So basically, this woman commented on a
video that I posted about getting my hair done because
I wanted to have like a little refresh because I
was feeling a bit shit. And when you feel shit,
you're not your best self. And you know they always say,
(09:13):
put the oxygen on yourself first before helping your child.
It's like you need to be feeling good so that
you can be the best version of yourself for your baby.
And I totally and one hundred percent believe that I
do as well. And anyway, put up a video of
me getting my hair done and this girl said, oh, well,
she was off getting her hair done. Half her luck.
(09:36):
Most mums have no time to shower, let alone spend
hours at the salon. And to be fair, I had
had a bad day and it was just like that
one comment that just like throws you over the edge.
And I was like, all right, that's it. I've had it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I just couldn't imagine. I could not. And I've said
this before. That's commenting stuff like that, and yeah, just
oh some of the stuff I read, it's just like
you're awful. It's so awful. And it's almost like these
people are like sad. Imagine I don't know, Yeah, they're
sad in their own life.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, And I think like, look, I if you're someone
who maybe doesn't have a lot of support, and you
see another mum who has a six week old and
they're out getting their head done. Maybe you're like, damn,
that's like really upsetting and that's annoying. But I have
never been under the pretense of like, well she shouldn't
get to do it if I can't get to do it.
(10:29):
It's like that's not how very toxic. Yeah, Like, I
think we need to support each other, and like, you know,
women should support other women, especially other mums. I think mums,
from what I've seen in my short time of being
a mum, can be the people who are the source
of these comments. So yeah, I just had it and
(10:51):
I was like, that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Didn't Indy Clinton expose a couple of them and they
are moms as well.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah. Interestingly she got a private investigation and was uncovering
all of these people who were term trolls of hers,
and a lot of them happened to be mums, which
is a shame. I will say, there's no.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Place in society for that sort of behavior.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't Yeah, no, I agree. I mean it is funny.
The other day, someone in my comment section on TikTok
left like a troll comment, and then obviously someone who
this person knows, so this troll they've been like high
and then the name so let's say it's Hi Jane.
(11:33):
They're like, hih Jane, and then the troll was like
ha ha loll and she like got caught, Like she
got caught out being a troll. Can you imagine someone
you know and you catch them out trolling something. It's
never happened to me.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh, I don't associate with people that would do that
sort of behavior, but just imagine I'd be so embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Anyone. I want to know from you guys, actually, have
you ever caught a friend or a family men, or
just maybe someone you know and you've saw them in
a comments section trolling. It happened recently to a mutual
person that we know. I'm pretty sure they would listen
to this podcast as well, so we're not going to
say too much, but yeah, we saw that they were
(12:15):
trolling your divorce and I just thought.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Wow, it's icky, it's ikey.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But anyway, the mum shaming has begun. I'm going to
keep you guys updated on the mum shaming because it's
kind of like it's a music because I don't take
it personally, but like I want to share with you guys,
like what people are saying. But yeah, get excited for that. Also,
I'm going to share my whole birth story on Where's
Your Bumpat. So the last episode of Where's Your Bump At?
Season one came out yesterday, So if you haven't listened
(12:43):
to that, go back and check it out. There's so
much good stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'll be listening to the birth story. That's one I'll
clock into.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Then, yeah, fascinating. I'm excited to hear about your birth.
I don't have you told me much about it? No, actually,
probably did.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Listen to it and you'll hear it. It was funny
this morning because I came into the podcast like thirty
minutes early to breastfeed Swede, and I have my mum
in the other room. She's looking after him. Anyway, I
was feeding him and Matt came in and he's like, oh, breastfeeding.
He's like, it's so crazy that, like you could do that. No,
(13:23):
it is so crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You said how the milk produces what is it antibodies
or something, and I was like wow.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
On the breastfeeding episode that we had out the lactation
consultant she was like telling us that if someone has
like let's just say you have a cold. Then my
body produces antibodies against that cold to then feed the baby,
to protect the baby.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, so I thought that's fascinating. Yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Mic drop. Oh is there is he coming out? No, no,
that's not it's not swayed. But what it is is
Matt's birthday cake because he and Steady half fever day two.
Everyone's fever. This is great, guys, Thank you, Bethday dear
(14:16):
man fever too. There's a natural candles on there below
the mall through two one they can wish.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Thank you guys. That's very sweet of everyone. Thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, it is International Chocolate Day, and I know that
you're not really a fan of chocolate.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean I fuck with chocolate, like I.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Asked you before you said you didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like Cara milk, I like white chocolate. I really
like black Forest. Yeah, very unpopular opinion with that one.
Black Forest is unreal. But this is a really cute cake.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Thank you, Anna Well, I got it because it's International
Chocolate Day to day, so I felt like kill two
birds of one stone chocolate cake. I'm sure you'll like it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm sure we'll I'll go into it. Love an arm
and last with it if possible.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
This is not a service.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, I did turn thirty. I'm in the big three
to zero club. I was laughing before I was telling
you a story. On my thirtieth I took my sister's
dog for a walk. He's a Golden Retriever puppy, so
like that thing just goes. And I was playing fetch
with him, and I was just like, he wouldn't stop
fetching the ball, so I was just launching it as
far as I could, trying to get him tired. And
I woke up the next day and my whole shoulder
(15:33):
is so sore, and I'm like, if I was twenty nine,
i'd be okay, But now that I'm thirty, it's so sore.
But I reckon I slept on it weirdly. But it
must be this throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You've ticked over the.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, excited. I'm having a birthday party this week.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You are Christmas in July.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Christmas in July. Could it be more? Matthew?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
It really couldn't. Like I wouldn't expect anything less. One
thing I will say, Matt has made compulsory that everyone
wears Christmas jumpers, and mine as the mail and it
says that it's coming between today and Sunday, right, did
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm like, it's compulsory. At the end of every post
or anything I posted in the group or messages I've
sent anyone, I just put ps compulsory Christmas jumper. So
hopefully it gets here, Anna.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean if it doesn't, I'll go to like Christmas
Land or.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Something, and yeah, it may messaged me on the weekend
it goes. It's so hard to get Christmas jumpers. I
was like, I told you about this a month ago,
and I gave you six different places to buy them.
Either should posted on the group.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I hosted six different pages where you can get them from.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I got one online because I wanted to be like
sheet Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, I got a really nice one as well. I've
order brand new on I have like a tub somewhere
at my mom so I was like, I'm gonna get
a new one.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I swear if this comes on like Monday, have I'm
going to be pissed. I'll probably wear it to the podcast.
Maybe we should wear our Christmas jumpers to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
That sounds good. Yeah, I wear Christmas recap RecA. It's
going to be fun day.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I've already started pumping milk in all right face and
me and Matt are on such different life pass right now.
But it's kind of hilarious because he's just like, what
is going on with you?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Well, I clicked, why you have to pump milk? I
get it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, Well, yes, I'm gonna aim to have two drinks,
which is a lot for me. I have already had
two drinks in a row since giving birth.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's bottomless.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah no, but I can't because it takes so every
drink I have, it takes two hours for that drink
to wear off out of my breast milk. So if
I have two drinks, that's four hours I have to wait.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
How many pumps? Is that a lot? We were talking
about this about the I was just thinking out I'd
rather waiting to come on and record. We were talking
at Swayed. I was like, imagine wearing a diaper black
as an adult. I know it's an obscure thought. And
you told me that you had to wear a diaper.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I've literally like, I'm only just out of diapers from.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
What Sorry for embarrassing I didn't realize.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'm embarrassing at all. I actually enjoyed wearing a diaper,
like I wasn't paying and pooing in the diaper. Let
me just first preface by saying that. But like, yeah,
when once you give birth, you like bleed a lot,
even if you have a cesarean, which I had, so
you just have to wear like a diaper the whole time.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Is it uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's pretty compy. Actually, really try them out. There's no shame.
I loved wearing the diaper, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Maybe I should get one and try it on and see,
don't pull in it. I would, I just would it
Just I feel like it'd be weird wearing a diaper.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It is like you think it's for babies, but like
if you have to, you have to, and it's just
like I don't know, I feel like when you have
a baby, everything goes out the window, like all sense
of dignity is gone. Like it's I don't really have
much shame anyway, though, to be fair, like I'm not
really that embarrassed about a lot of things, so I'm like, mah,
(18:55):
whatever whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, well, how is it like going with Michael and
you put a baby in the mix going good.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Everyone did scare me before having a baby, being like,
your relationship will change, it's gonna change, and like, obviously
it has to change because we're focused so much on Swayed,
Like Swayed is out everything, like we look, it's so funny.
Michael be like I love you, and I'll be like
I love you and he'll be like is that to
me or Swede and vice versa, like, oh, it's for
(19:24):
you real quickly.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
When I first met Swede, I walked in and he
was sleeping on the on the what would you call on.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The couch and a little like pillow bed and he's.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Laying there and Anna's looking at me like with his
face and She's like looking at him, looking at me,
and I was like, yeah, it was cute because you
were so proud of him looking at it, and it
was just like, I don't know how to I was
just and You're like looking like look at him, and
I was like, yeah, is it gonna like I was.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Just like, oh yeah, I am so proud of it.
I'm so obsessed with it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You were acting, though, I say, you were acting as
if like he was going to do like a backlift
or something like you're like, look at him, and I
was just like, it's just asleep. No, it was very cute.
It was very cute.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It is I think like you are very like obsessed
with them as new parents, and you just like when
you like when meeting friends, you're like, look.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That's that was it. You're just like, look, yeah, look
I created. And I was just like, oh, he's really cute.
But like you were like, it's just funny, like make
thinking he was going to do like a backlift or something.
I was just like, you's a sleep cute. But I
held him and it was really it was really nice.
Like so I haven't held a newborn I reckon since
my brother, so like over ten years ago. And just
something so small and that you've got, like it's just
(20:45):
you're you're holding them. It's really like.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, what's the words so precious? Yeah, it's really if
you want to protect them. Yeah, it's really grounding and
really like emotional. I feel like you're holding this like
life form that you care about. It's really nice.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah. Something that did make me a little bit emotional
because obviously I had taken photos of you and swayed
and then you sent it to your mum. And I
was on the phone to you a few days later
and your mom was on the phone, and your mum
was saying that it made her really upset seeing you
with like a newborn baby. She was saying, it was
(21:20):
really bittersweet for her.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I think that, like in the position I'm in,
I may never have the ability to hold my own newborn.
So I can understand why my mum would say that.
And I think actually my family have processed that, whereas
I don't think fully have. And I brought up with
my therapist and I'm talking about I think that in
a way I've not really fully processed it where I
(21:43):
thought I had. I didn't think of it when I
held swayed in that way. But I think, yeah, I
think maybe in the back of my mind, I might
be there, and I think that's something that I will
get to in mone time.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't see a newborn every day,
so me having one is probably bringing up that conversation
that maybe you and your mom don't really talk about
the fact that you're infertile, so it kind of like
rebrings it to the surface in some ways.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yep. Well, speaking of things coming up, and we were
talking about relationship changing with a newborn. Yeah, has there
any arguments come up between you and Michael, because I could
imagine if you're a very stressful time your whole life
has changed. Like you said.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Before, it can be really stressful. Like I'm not gonna lie.
I did pick a fight with Michael at three am
in the morning about two days ago. So you know what,
Swaye has been an absolute angel. He has been such
a good baby. We have been so blessed. He's been
sleeping well, he eats phenomenally, he loves his boob milk,
(22:42):
he loves the car, he loves the dummy. He's been great.
Over the past week, the sleep situation has taken a
u turn and he's not been sleeping that well, which
is completely fine. I think it's when they get to
six weeks they kind of can have a growth burd
or a bit of a regression. I don't really know
what they would call it. So he's not sleeping the best,
(23:02):
and I'm not gonna lie. I did pick a fight
with Michael at three am in the morning, and I
honestly couldn't even tell you what it was about. I
could not I could not tell you what it was about.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Well, you're half asleep and just yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It's so silly, Like I think me and Michael have
such a solid relationship, but I'm not gonna lie and
say that isn't testing having a newborn and to be
having no sleep and then like he's been at work
now for the past two weeks. Today is my first
day back at work. I'm lucky because I've obviously got
my mom looking after Swede in the next room. But yeah,
(23:38):
it has been testing and challenging. But I would say overall,
we have done such an amazing job and he is
the best dad, and it's really nice seeing him with
the baby, like they're really cute together, and Swede started
smiling and it's really cute. But yeah, I think we've
had three fights overall. The first fight I do remember,
I like I called out to Michael in the next room,
(24:04):
was so silly. I called out to him and said
something and then he like didn't reply, and then he
came back in and I was like, you're ignoring me,
and he was like, no, I'm not. I didn't hear
what you said. And I'm like, yeah, but you've ignored
me like three times today like, why are you ignoring me?
Like obviously you don't love me as much as you
used to. Never used to ignore me.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Oh, speaking about that, and like your hormones everywhere, did
you have any symptoms of postpartum depression?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, I think I'll definitely touch on it more on
Where's your bump hat? But at day five after having
the baby, you have like a hormonal crash, and like
I knew it was coming intellectually, mentally I knew it
was coming, but like day five hit and I was
like anything could have set me off, like when I say,
(24:53):
step me off, Like I was so emotional, like just
sitting down, I was like holding back the tears of
like I don't even know why I was crying. So
it was pretty It's pretty wild, and it kind of
is scary on how I felt very emotionally unstable, very
emotionally unstable. Michael was like a little bit scared. I
(25:14):
think he was right to feel scared, but it is
scary the levels of deep emotion you feel.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, because I was talking about that with family and
they were saying that maybe Anna's like that, and I
think it was a depressing time for both of us. Yeah,
Like I was in a rut and you're in a rut.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I wouldn't say I was in a rut. I
think I was like really happy and like really in
a bubble. But like, let's just say like I didn't
leave the house for the whole day. I would just
feel like the nighttime would come and I would just
feel so like down and like really upset. And then
I think something that I haven't felt this week but
pretty much throughout Swade's whole life, and Michael feels it
(25:54):
as well. It gets to like five pm and it's
like the nighttime scary as they call it, and it's
like this dread of the night and it's like literally
five pm on the Dot hits and we're both like
it gets like and it's like I don't even care
about waking up in the middle of the night. Defeeds
raight like I love it, Like I love him. I
look at him. I'm like, oh, like sometimes when he
(26:16):
wakes up in the middle of the night, I stay
up longer just to cuddle him because I love him
so much. I'm like apparently.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Feeding him as well. Releases, but like don't mean yeah,
whatever it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Is, yeah for the mum and for the baby, I
think to.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Help that, Yeah, to make it more enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Nature is a wild thing, isn't it as well?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like that, it releases the antibodies. It's the nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's it is. It's really like a huge,
like mind blowing moment experience, all of it. But yeah, well, Matt,
it was really great to be back in the studio.
First episode back.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It's been two months since we've been in here, over
two months.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It's it feels it feels like a long time, but
in the same way, it's really flow. But I'm also
like back here with a.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Baby and a lot of life changes.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Hey, what is going on? Yeah, I think it's definitely
a new era for me, for you for where's your
head at? We have lots of new things in the
works which we're excited to get.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Back into share with you guys, and.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm excited for it as well.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Nice to be back this birthday cake okay
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Guys, thanks for listening.
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