October 21, 2025 • 21 mins
On this episode of WYHA, we're catching up on things we've missed in each others lives the past few weeks (there seems to be a lot), as well as unpacking what the most attractive occupation is for men, as well as women. Do you agree or did this list blow your mind? Let us know in the FB group xx
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Imagine dating a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I think dating a lawyer would be really tricky.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Same imagine the arguments.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I should be a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Object I'm taking a sidebar your honor. Good morning, Anna.
We're just having some off air chats which can stay
off air. Where's your head?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ash? Good morning. I have not spoken to anyone, guys.
I feel like I have just come out of hiding
to record today's episode.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And I was dropping bombs on you then.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Because I have not been sleeping. Yes, it's been such
a good sleeper, honestly, and all of a sudden, the
four month regression. You don't look Yeah, because I went
to the pharmacy. I went to Chemi's warehouse this morning.
My eyes were like literally bloodshot because I was getting
up every single hour to Feat Swade, and I was like, hey,
(00:56):
I need some eye drops and they're like, oh, is
this an aesthetic thing. I was like, yeah, get me
the best you've got aesthetic?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So what are they recommend them for us? Because I
wouldn't mind having them sometimes even now.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'll put it on the Facebook group, like these specific
eye drops they clear out your eyes and they restrict
your blood vessels or something, so they're like you can't
use them all the time. But I was like, I
need to not look tired.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You don't look tired. Your eyes look glowing. So I
just was looking in them before. Yeah, so that's okay,
So I drop send them because I sometimes get tired
sometimes all the time tired.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, you've been partying a lot more. You're like in
your single era. That's like whoo party.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, look here and there, Like I am enjoying going
out and having drinks with the boys and just like
you know, hanging out and like.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Having fun, having fun as you should be.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
As you should be. Yeah, I'm in like that era
of my life. I've got no like responsibilities, nothing, No
one's waiting up for me, nothing like that. So if
I want to go out and have a couple of
drinks with my mates.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah we need to talk. Yeah right, because have a chance.
The sleep deprived mum. I was just looking on my phone.
I think I'm pretty sure. It was in the middle
of the night, and I hadn't been on my phone
like the day before, and then all of a sudden,
I see so much garbage. I'm just gonna call it garbage.
(02:18):
And everyone's like, that's hard launch wait, I know that
you were in Adelaide. I know that you were going
on a first day. How have we gone from you
telling me you're going on a first day to now
there's a hard launch out there.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah, I was shook as well. I actually woke
up and saw that that as well, and I was like,
hang on, wait what I was I didn't hard launch anyone.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So I was in Adelaide on getting some business done,
and while I was there, I was like, I'll catch
up with a friend. Yeah, so we went out for dinner.
Really nice. Adelaide is actually really nice place. I haven't
been there for I reckon like maybe ten years. Yeah,
We've been a couple of different bars, and it was
very nice. It was like a rooftop one. I really
enjoyed that one. There was one light near the casino.
(03:06):
Have you been out in Adelaid or have you just
been there to see Michael's family.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We've been out once with Michael's sister and my brother
in law.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah. It was fun because it's like the main strip
where I went when I went on a footy trip,
but then there's like lanes off it which are really nice. Yeah,
and I went to a couple of bars there, and
then we just got dinner. I had a nice dinner,
and yeah I woke up the next day and we'd
hard launched, which is not the case, not the case
(03:37):
at all, but yeah, it was pretty funny to see.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So she just put it in her story and then
it got taken.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Got taken, and yeah, if people work fast this industry,
they see something and they run with it and it
gets legs. And look, I'm actually gonna say I would.
I really appreciate some of the kind messages I got
about it. But sorry, guys still singing, it was not that.
But I'm very nice girl as well, very nice day.
But you said as well, though you take photos on
(04:04):
first dates.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, every first date that I have ever been on.
I am like, let's take a photo in case we
need to show this to our kids one day.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I think that's very cute. You know how sentimental I am,
So I do like that ideeah, And you know you're
waiting to go up to the rooftop of like the
second bar at the elevator and you turn around, see
I take a photo, take a photo. Yeah, there's no harm,
no foul in that, but that's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Like I've been known to take like a kissing photo
on a first date. I mean, Michael, I have a
photo from our first date, which is very cute. One
day we'll show sway.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But it's funny you say that as well, because, like
I've remembered with past exes, like you go back and
look at the first photo, and some of them haven't
been the first date. So it is quite nice if
it eventuates to something to have a photo from the
first day.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, just keep it in the close.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Finding with my close friends the next morning, crashing me
out fully crashed out.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Anyway, you're having some fun.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I am. I am on the weekend as well. Oh,
I'm sorry. We were trying to arrange it, but you
there was no real legs on that one. I did
my pumpkin carving. Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I mean, the thing is is, because I've just been
so immersed in the full month aggression, it's really hard
to like see outside of that. But Matt, me and
a friend of mine and Michael have all arranged pumpkin
carving with people.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Upset. Was there a group track going on when you
saw the photos? Female? What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, no one cares about I was like, I will
be bringing this up on the podcast and Matt's gonna
done pumpkin carving without us.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I'm still more than happy to do it again.
I've done it twice a couple of years before, so
I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I enjoy it. I know you do.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I like it you had any sort of holiday. I
feel like you were born to be an American.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah. And if I wasn't, And if I was born
an American, I reckon I would have been a quarterback
for me.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like future wife's American maybe, and then you'll move to
America celebrate all the holidays.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Thanksgiving as well. So from my to the start of
October to like the end of December. Yeah, spooky season
into Thanksgiving into Christmas.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We have a Halloween party this year.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
We do Matt's Captain made sure.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Favorite honestly so. One of my best friends, Laura, she's
throwing a Halloween party. She's going above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Did she send you the thing of the table? You
send it to me to us? Cool?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He's doing like this cool like lighting. She's just like
you know when someone throws a party and they're just
like she does planning with her job. So she's like
used to planning extravagant, huge business corporations that finally she's
planning for herself for this party. And it looks incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
She said to me the other day, She's like, as
long as like people at cool aesthetic photos of it,
she's done a job, right, And I was like, well,
like you sent me that table thing. It looked cool
as it looks epic. Yeah, it looked awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I've been sending us some tiktoks as well of some
stuff that she could do. Yeah, but we could do
the pumpin carving maybe a little bit closer to the party.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, so she can use them, use the pumpkins.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, what are you going as? Are you keeping a surprise?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I'm going as Harley Quinn.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, Michael's the joker.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Michael's going as a joker, and Swede is going as Batman.
He's not actually going he's being baby sat but I'm
going to dress him up so he can get family pictures. So, yeah,
he has a little Batman cape. I'm going to put
black ones on him. Really hard to find a black ones.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Really what about a mask? Batman mask? No, we're not
going to do he might feel a bit annoyed by it,
by the cape, by the mask, Yeah, he'd probably want
to take it off. Yes, well, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Thanks for asking.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Thanks for asking. I'm finishing the story.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, I'm going I'm going to staff Fader. Okay, so
if you know, you.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Know, okay, should I leave it at that or should
question if you want to? Okay? Well, do you want
to explain?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I was Anakin Skywalker last year, right, and he turns
into Darth Vader.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I see, you're finishing the story.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There the story I could. I was my mates for like,
do don't give it that much credit? And I was like, nah,
you know, it's once in a lifetime that you get
to finish the story with the exact same circumstances happening.
I was like, so I may as well.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it's going to be an annoying costume.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Wow. Yeah, have the helmet of I wouldn't wear the
helmet the whole night.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Just got it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah? Did I show you the photo of it? No,
it's social medium.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
On me medium.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like tighters and it's the biggest size they have media. Yeah,
it means that it's really tight. I'll show you where
did it go. It looks good though, but I was
thinking about doing a curtain change and changing into something
like a bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Only now we go to a Halloween party half a
second out.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's what I was thinking of doing. So I come
and like halfway through, I changed into like, I don't know,
something a bit more like it's it is it's shreedy
of as.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, if you have to post this on there, it's
a cool costume, I will say.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That it's got and it needs put a cape on.
And I got a red light saber gloves. You look broad, yeah,
because it's social thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's not a guess.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It is very I never that, and then I accidentally
gave him one and I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Just saying it. You're track to get back trying to
take it back.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, postpartum and Halloween. My costume this is this is
just my like dramas in my own head. So my
costume is arriving.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
What Harley Quinn, are you going as cartoon or movie movie?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
My costume is arriving on the thirtieth I know. And
I stupidly because I was like feeling just like really
shit about myself on the day that I purchased this costume.
I got an extra large.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You wouldn't be like a medium, I would be at.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I would be maybe a medium or a large if
I was like because I'm like, I want it to
be oversized so I don't feel like trapped or like
on the website was saying the costume is really small.
So I was like, the last thing that I want
to is the costume too really small? It's like hot pants?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, right, full hot pants? Is that what they used
to be called?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Maybe they're not hot pants? Just like short short?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Is it discovered? What were those things girls used to
wear back when we were like sixteen eighteen? Those hot pants?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Like leggings? No, I think about it anyway, Yeah, I
got an extra large because I was like, I want
it to be oversized, Like.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Because it's a jacket, can you take it in?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I'll have to take it in maybe, I mean, who knows,
maybe the extra large will for me.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you have a baseball bap?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I have a blow up one in the costume. So anyway, postpart.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Is Michael going with the full face paint.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm getting my makeup done because I was like, I wanted.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
To like get rotten across your face or does he
have that?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
She doesn't she have like the little heart?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
She has something? He has rotten written on it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm gonna do Michael's makeup and he has to have
the smile on his hand and oh yeah, that's from
that movie The Suicide Squad. Yeah, yeah, I'm a bit of.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
A geek like that.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You would do the hand? Okay, Matt, should we jump
into this week's episode?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
We thought we would talk about the most attractive professions
according to Australian men versus women. Okay, they're really interesting.
I find them very interesting. I think we should start
with First.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Of all, do you judge someone by their profession?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
No, absolutely not. I judge someone by like their personality
and like their work ethic.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yes, so they could have Yeah, I don't think there
is any bad job to have unless but we did
say before we jumped on here though. If someone says
straight up entrepreneur, isn't that a bit of a red flag.
But if a guy goes, I'm an.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Entrepreneur, it depends what type of entrepreneur true, you know,
like Michael's one that's.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Hot to me, you know, his personality.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We do behind the scenes isn't that like a sort of.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Thing if it is in their thing, like in their sorry,
in there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
In there by, I think that's like a bit march.
But like if you're like co founder of and then
there's a business attached to I think.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
That's that's attractive. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Should we start with the according to Australian men, what
professions they find most attractive?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah? Go on, Should I guess what I think?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Should you? Yeah? Give us a guess? Okay, well, okay,
what's your top three professions that you find most attractive
in women?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I wouldn't say that I have a certain job
that I find attractive more than others, but I would
like for my partner to enjoy their job and have
fun with it, and like there's nothing worse, and I'm
not gonna say nothing worse, but like, you know, if
someone's coming home and hating their job, like that's not
someone you want to be around. That's not energy you
want to be around. So like I would like them
(13:14):
to have a job that they enjoy and that they
have a good work life balance so we can still
enjoy our weekends. Because if they were like a hairdresser
who works on the weekends. That's not compatible with me
because I would have my weekends off. So when would
we get us time? Because you know, quality time is
very important to me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So basically, what you're saying is you don't have a profession.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, let's hear some of the jobs and I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So you don't have like a profession that you're like, ooh,
that's attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A girl in charge of something, a boss, A boss
like I like a girl with a in authority. Yeah,
you know what I mean, I do find that attractive,
strong headed girl.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
What else? What else is like just off the top
of your head, Like I would.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Say, I do find a nurse would be quiet? A nurse, well,
they would be they'd have to be nurturing and kind.
To be nurse, you can't be you know.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Or then in saying that, like maybe a teacher, like
a kindergarten teacher, like someone that's good with kids. They're kind,
they're nice, they're gentle, Yeah, they have a heart like
that sort of stuff, you know, like that's nice.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, Okay, Well, interestingly enough.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
They're both from the list.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He's a teacher on the teacher is on list the
most attractive professions according to Australian men. First is a
nurse at thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh wow, it's number one, number one.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
We have a model coming in at twenty seven percent.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Well that's just cliche, isn't it, boys, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
We have a flight attendant at twenty Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I forgot for flight attendants? Yeah yeah, yeah, but do
you know their job is really hard? Mad respect time.
And my sister was for a bit. That's right, because
for so long I thought they just did one fight
and they're off the plane, or they went from Melbourne
to Sydney. Now get back to back and they're back
to back to back. It's hectic.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah. A couple more teachers at twenty six percent. There
you go, doctor at twenty four percent, lawyer at twenty
three percent, personal trainer twenty percent, dancer at nineteen percent,
musician eighteen and scientist seventeen percent.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Scientists that would be smart.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So out of those ones, now you still think nurse.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, nurse or teacher. I do find them kind nice people.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Did you see that study?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think you're going to say this, fine, I can.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Say my mum's nurse. I thought this study that came
out recently and it said that nurses are most likely
to cheat. I did all professions.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I did hear, I did see that. I think you've
sent that to me. Well, I've seen Gray's Anatomy and
there's a lot of like incestral in that workplace dynamics,
so I can see how that could happen. And you're
working with McDreamy and McSteamy. Dude, it's a great day
to save lives. And if Derek was saving lives in
front of me, I can't blame them.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I have heard, like, I don't know how true this is,
And if you're a doctor or a nurse listening to
this podcast, we're not This is no judgment. This is
just what I've heard through the greape vine, through like
maybe a personal instance that I had the doctor.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think you're gonna say that or not.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I've heard that like nurses and doctors really because the
thing is because you if you're working long hours at
the hospital or whatever, you're spending a lot of time
with that person. I've heard that like nurses and doctors
coo couplet lot at work.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I could imagine, and they on Gray's Anatomy they have
like a room where they go sleep in and there's
like bunk beds and there you go. You know, if
your attractors, like I said, if Mick Dreamy was saving
lives in front of like and then you're in the
slumber room with him.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I feel like if you're a doctor or a nurse,
the job obviously has amazing moments of reward saving people's lives,
but then there's also like real trauma points, like if
someone dies or like something happens at.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Work, you know, and you're sharing that with them. It
could like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Can see how that would that would happen as well.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I don't know how, but I could. You said lawyers before,
imagine dating a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I think dating a lawyer would be really tricky.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Same imagine the arguments I should be a lawyer, object
take it a sidebar, your honor.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I wouldn't even think about the arguments. I was just
thinking because they have to work such long hours.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They do, but they would know how to argue.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I know how to argue.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay, So the most attractive professions according to Australian women,
what do you think number one is. I'm surprised I
thought it'd be I think an entrepreneur. No, that's not
even on the list Anna, So I.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Was right, really, okay, give it to me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, doctor comes in at thirty six percent and then
a trades person comes in at thirty five. I honestly
thought Australian women would love a trading. Yeah, I thought
that was the whole People do love a trading. They
do love a trading. That's number two.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Doctors just piped them at the post.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, by one percent. I thought athlete would be on
here as well. I'm surprised about that. No, so in it.
Number three is firefighter dude.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
See that doesn't really do it for.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Me really, the calendars of all the firefighters with the
hoses and the unbuttoned shirts and on the big red
fire trucks.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, Muscles don't really do it for me either, true,
Like I think like brains do it for me.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Brain's over broad.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, like the doctor, I can understand trading. I think
the trading is like, I think it's attractive having someone.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Around the house, handyman.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Handyman do things like.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Women do love a good handyman, don't they just to
take care of stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, like things that would be annoying or like you
would need tools for that. You don't have. I mean
some women might have tools. I don't someone to just
like get shit done.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's what everything going wrong. You're not so not hand.
Then in a number four is engineer on twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Percent, Yeah, my dad and my brother.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Lawyer at twenty eight percent. Yeah, policeman at twenty eight percent,
pilot at twenty eight percent. Pilots when they uniforms. Yeah,
I had to say, like when you have the silent.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
To me, I'm just like, I would hate the level
of traveling.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yes, you know, like different cities all the time, and yeah,
I think pilots would have an average rep.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
He's thinking about. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I've heard stories.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I mean I think what the thing is is there's
always stories about someone in some profession.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But that's what I was thinking when you asked me,
And I was like, you know, certain people you meet
in certain professions sort of bomeishit for you. Do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
There's and I think that there's going to be like
people who yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Like so you can't really stereotypical. Yeah shit, you can't
like be like okay just because you know you know
that doctor, I knew that hairdresser. We can't be like
they're all like this, now, do you know what I mean? Yeah?
Or I heard this story about a pilot, Like, they're
not all like that. There's some good ones out there. Yeah,
out there for sure. Be on twenty six percent, I
could imagine a guy saving or a girl saving dogs
(20:17):
Lives's me a puppy architect at twenty six yeah, teacher
at twenty four. Now, I think a teacher is a
quite attractive job.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, okay, So I'm going to go through them and
pick ones. I think doctor trady, engineer, and an architect.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I can see them. I think firefighter should fall
in there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They're brave, Yeah, they are brave. Oh my god, guys,
I don't know what's going on. Man.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's an afternoon shift with me, and.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That too better in the mornings. I'm also running on
like literally no sleep, so I apologize.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm in a calorie to for sip. Yeah, just trying
to lean up beach seasons coming up, beach season, you.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Need to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I feel good, look good, feel good. Yeah, that's my mentality,
do you know what I mean? It's not for any
other reason than like I just want to feel good.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, I would like to feel good.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You need good sleep.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I need sleep. Sleep is the key to hell.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It is. I woke up this morning pretty rough, but
I'm not going to rub that in your face. I
slept a full eight. All right, let's wrap this up.
I put my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Looks could kill right now, your feelings are valid, doun
the less. Okay, guys, we're going to wrap it up.
I hope everyone has a great week. Matt. It was
great talking about all of the different professions.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Until next time, guys, Bye bye,
Imagine dating a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I think dating a lawyer would be really tricky.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Same imagine the arguments.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I should be a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Object I'm taking a sidebar your honor. Good morning, Anna.
We're just having some off air chats which can stay
off air. Where's your head?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ash? Good morning. I have not spoken to anyone, guys.
I feel like I have just come out of hiding
to record today's episode.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And I was dropping bombs on you then.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Because I have not been sleeping. Yes, it's been such
a good sleeper, honestly, and all of a sudden, the
four month regression. You don't look Yeah, because I went
to the pharmacy. I went to Chemi's warehouse this morning.
My eyes were like literally bloodshot because I was getting
up every single hour to Feat Swade, and I was like, hey,
(00:56):
I need some eye drops and they're like, oh, is
this an aesthetic thing. I was like, yeah, get me
the best you've got aesthetic?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So what are they recommend them for us? Because I
wouldn't mind having them sometimes even now.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'll put it on the Facebook group, like these specific
eye drops they clear out your eyes and they restrict
your blood vessels or something, so they're like you can't
use them all the time. But I was like, I
need to not look tired.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You don't look tired. Your eyes look glowing. So I
just was looking in them before. Yeah, so that's okay,
So I drop send them because I sometimes get tired
sometimes all the time tired.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, you've been partying a lot more. You're like in
your single era. That's like whoo party.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, look here and there, Like I am enjoying going
out and having drinks with the boys and just like
you know, hanging out and like.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Having fun, having fun as you should be.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
As you should be. Yeah, I'm in like that era
of my life. I've got no like responsibilities, nothing, No
one's waiting up for me, nothing like that. So if
I want to go out and have a couple of
drinks with my mates.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah we need to talk. Yeah right, because have a chance.
The sleep deprived mum. I was just looking on my phone.
I think I'm pretty sure. It was in the middle
of the night, and I hadn't been on my phone
like the day before, and then all of a sudden,
I see so much garbage. I'm just gonna call it garbage.
(02:18):
And everyone's like, that's hard launch wait, I know that
you were in Adelaide. I know that you were going
on a first day. How have we gone from you
telling me you're going on a first day to now
there's a hard launch out there.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah, I was shook as well. I actually woke
up and saw that that as well, and I was like,
hang on, wait what I was I didn't hard launch anyone.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So I was in Adelaide on getting some business done,
and while I was there, I was like, I'll catch
up with a friend. Yeah, so we went out for dinner.
Really nice. Adelaide is actually really nice place. I haven't
been there for I reckon like maybe ten years. Yeah,
We've been a couple of different bars, and it was
very nice. It was like a rooftop one. I really
enjoyed that one. There was one light near the casino.
(03:06):
Have you been out in Adelaid or have you just
been there to see Michael's family.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We've been out once with Michael's sister and my brother
in law.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah. It was fun because it's like the main strip
where I went when I went on a footy trip,
but then there's like lanes off it which are really nice. Yeah,
and I went to a couple of bars there, and
then we just got dinner. I had a nice dinner,
and yeah I woke up the next day and we'd
hard launched, which is not the case, not the case
(03:37):
at all, but yeah, it was pretty funny to see.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So she just put it in her story and then
it got taken.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Got taken, and yeah, if people work fast this industry,
they see something and they run with it and it
gets legs. And look, I'm actually gonna say I would.
I really appreciate some of the kind messages I got
about it. But sorry, guys still singing, it was not that.
But I'm very nice girl as well, very nice day.
But you said as well, though you take photos on
(04:04):
first dates.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, every first date that I have ever been on.
I am like, let's take a photo in case we
need to show this to our kids one day.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I think that's very cute. You know how sentimental I am,
So I do like that ideeah, And you know you're
waiting to go up to the rooftop of like the
second bar at the elevator and you turn around, see
I take a photo, take a photo. Yeah, there's no harm,
no foul in that, but that's fine.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Like I've been known to take like a kissing photo
on a first date. I mean, Michael, I have a
photo from our first date, which is very cute. One
day we'll show sway.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But it's funny you say that as well, because, like
I've remembered with past exes, like you go back and
look at the first photo, and some of them haven't
been the first date. So it is quite nice if
it eventuates to something to have a photo from the
first day.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, just keep it in the close.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Finding with my close friends the next morning, crashing me
out fully crashed out.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Anyway, you're having some fun.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I am. I am on the weekend as well. Oh,
I'm sorry. We were trying to arrange it, but you
there was no real legs on that one. I did
my pumpkin carving. Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I mean, the thing is is, because I've just been
so immersed in the full month aggression, it's really hard
to like see outside of that. But Matt, me and
a friend of mine and Michael have all arranged pumpkin
carving with people.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Upset. Was there a group track going on when you
saw the photos? Female? What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, no one cares about I was like, I will
be bringing this up on the podcast and Matt's gonna
done pumpkin carving without us.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I'm still more than happy to do it again.
I've done it twice a couple of years before, so
I'm happy to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I enjoy it. I know you do.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I like it you had any sort of holiday. I
feel like you were born to be an American.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah. And if I wasn't, And if I was born
an American, I reckon I would have been a quarterback
for me.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like future wife's American maybe, and then you'll move to
America celebrate all the holidays.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Thanksgiving as well. So from my to the start of
October to like the end of December. Yeah, spooky season
into Thanksgiving into Christmas.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We have a Halloween party this year.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
We do Matt's Captain made sure.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Favorite honestly so. One of my best friends, Laura, she's
throwing a Halloween party. She's going above and beyond.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Did she send you the thing of the table? You
send it to me to us? Cool?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He's doing like this cool like lighting. She's just like
you know when someone throws a party and they're just
like she does planning with her job. So she's like
used to planning extravagant, huge business corporations that finally she's
planning for herself for this party. And it looks incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
She said to me the other day, She's like, as
long as like people at cool aesthetic photos of it,
she's done a job, right, And I was like, well,
like you sent me that table thing. It looked cool
as it looks epic. Yeah, it looked awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I've been sending us some tiktoks as well of some
stuff that she could do. Yeah, but we could do
the pumpin carving maybe a little bit closer to the party.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, so she can use them, use the pumpkins.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, what are you going as? Are you keeping a surprise?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I'm going as Harley Quinn.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, Michael's the joker.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Michael's going as a joker, and Swede is going as Batman.
He's not actually going he's being baby sat but I'm
going to dress him up so he can get family pictures. So, yeah,
he has a little Batman cape. I'm going to put
black ones on him. Really hard to find a black ones.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Really what about a mask? Batman mask? No, we're not
going to do he might feel a bit annoyed by it,
by the cape, by the mask, Yeah, he'd probably want
to take it off. Yes, well, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Thanks for asking.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Thanks for asking. I'm finishing the story.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, I'm going I'm going to staff Fader. Okay, so
if you know, you.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Know, okay, should I leave it at that or should
question if you want to? Okay? Well, do you want
to explain?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I was Anakin Skywalker last year, right, and he turns
into Darth Vader.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I see, you're finishing the story.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There the story I could. I was my mates for like,
do don't give it that much credit? And I was like, nah,
you know, it's once in a lifetime that you get
to finish the story with the exact same circumstances happening.
I was like, so I may as well.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it's going to be an annoying costume.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Wow. Yeah, have the helmet of I wouldn't wear the
helmet the whole night.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Just got it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah? Did I show you the photo of it? No,
it's social medium.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
On me medium.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like tighters and it's the biggest size they have media. Yeah,
it means that it's really tight. I'll show you where
did it go. It looks good though, but I was
thinking about doing a curtain change and changing into something
like a bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Only now we go to a Halloween party half a
second out.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's what I was thinking of doing. So I come
and like halfway through, I changed into like, I don't know,
something a bit more like it's it is it's shreedy
of as.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Okay, if you have to post this on there, it's
a cool costume, I will say.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That it's got and it needs put a cape on.
And I got a red light saber gloves. You look broad, yeah,
because it's social thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's not a guess.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It is very I never that, and then I accidentally
gave him one and I'm like, no.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Just saying it. You're track to get back trying to
take it back.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, postpartum and Halloween. My costume this is this is
just my like dramas in my own head. So my
costume is arriving.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
What Harley Quinn, are you going as cartoon or movie movie?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
My costume is arriving on the thirtieth I know. And
I stupidly because I was like feeling just like really
shit about myself on the day that I purchased this costume.
I got an extra large.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You wouldn't be like a medium, I would be at.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I would be maybe a medium or a large if
I was like because I'm like, I want it to
be oversized so I don't feel like trapped or like
on the website was saying the costume is really small.
So I was like, the last thing that I want
to is the costume too really small? It's like hot pants?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, right, full hot pants? Is that what they used
to be called?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Maybe they're not hot pants? Just like short short?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Is it discovered? What were those things girls used to
wear back when we were like sixteen eighteen? Those hot pants?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Like leggings? No, I think about it anyway, Yeah, I
got an extra large because I was like, I want
it to be oversized, Like.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Because it's a jacket, can you take it in?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I'll have to take it in maybe, I mean, who knows,
maybe the extra large will for me.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you have a baseball bap?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I have a blow up one in the costume. So anyway, postpart.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Is Michael going with the full face paint.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm getting my makeup done because I was like, I wanted.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
To like get rotten across your face or does he
have that?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
She doesn't she have like the little heart?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
She has something? He has rotten written on it.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm gonna do Michael's makeup and he has to have
the smile on his hand and oh yeah, that's from
that movie The Suicide Squad. Yeah, yeah, I'm a bit of.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
A geek like that.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You would do the hand? Okay, Matt, should we jump
into this week's episode?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
We thought we would talk about the most attractive professions
according to Australian men versus women. Okay, they're really interesting.
I find them very interesting. I think we should start
with First.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Of all, do you judge someone by their profession?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
No, absolutely not. I judge someone by like their personality
and like their work ethic.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yes, so they could have Yeah, I don't think there
is any bad job to have unless but we did
say before we jumped on here though. If someone says
straight up entrepreneur, isn't that a bit of a red flag.
But if a guy goes, I'm an.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Entrepreneur, it depends what type of entrepreneur true, you know,
like Michael's one that's.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Hot to me, you know, his personality.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
We do behind the scenes isn't that like a sort of.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Thing if it is in their thing, like in their sorry,
in there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
In there by, I think that's like a bit march.
But like if you're like co founder of and then
there's a business attached to I think.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
That's that's attractive. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Should we start with the according to Australian men, what
professions they find most attractive?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah? Go on, Should I guess what I think?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Should you? Yeah? Give us a guess? Okay, well, okay,
what's your top three professions that you find most attractive
in women?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I wouldn't say that I have a certain job
that I find attractive more than others, but I would
like for my partner to enjoy their job and have
fun with it, and like there's nothing worse, and I'm
not gonna say nothing worse, but like, you know, if
someone's coming home and hating their job, like that's not
someone you want to be around. That's not energy you
want to be around. So like I would like them
(13:14):
to have a job that they enjoy and that they
have a good work life balance so we can still
enjoy our weekends. Because if they were like a hairdresser
who works on the weekends. That's not compatible with me
because I would have my weekends off. So when would
we get us time? Because you know, quality time is
very important to me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So basically, what you're saying is you don't have a profession.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Well, let's hear some of the jobs and I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So you don't have like a profession that you're like, ooh,
that's attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A girl in charge of something, a boss, A boss
like I like a girl with a in authority. Yeah,
you know what I mean, I do find that attractive,
strong headed girl.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
What else? What else is like just off the top
of your head, Like I would.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Say, I do find a nurse would be quiet? A nurse, well,
they would be they'd have to be nurturing and kind.
To be nurse, you can't be you know.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Or then in saying that, like maybe a teacher, like
a kindergarten teacher, like someone that's good with kids. They're kind,
they're nice, they're gentle, Yeah, they have a heart like
that sort of stuff, you know, like that's nice.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, Okay, Well, interestingly enough.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
They're both from the list.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He's a teacher on the teacher is on list the
most attractive professions according to Australian men. First is a
nurse at thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh wow, it's number one, number one.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
We have a model coming in at twenty seven percent.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Well that's just cliche, isn't it, boys, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
We have a flight attendant at twenty Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I forgot for flight attendants? Yeah yeah, yeah, but do
you know their job is really hard? Mad respect time.
And my sister was for a bit. That's right, because
for so long I thought they just did one fight
and they're off the plane, or they went from Melbourne
to Sydney. Now get back to back and they're back
to back to back. It's hectic.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah. A couple more teachers at twenty six percent. There
you go, doctor at twenty four percent, lawyer at twenty
three percent, personal trainer twenty percent, dancer at nineteen percent,
musician eighteen and scientist seventeen percent.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Scientists that would be smart.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So out of those ones, now you still think nurse.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, nurse or teacher. I do find them kind nice people.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Did you see that study?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think you're going to say this, fine, I can.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Say my mum's nurse. I thought this study that came
out recently and it said that nurses are most likely
to cheat. I did all professions.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I did hear, I did see that. I think you've
sent that to me. Well, I've seen Gray's Anatomy and
there's a lot of like incestral in that workplace dynamics,
so I can see how that could happen. And you're
working with McDreamy and McSteamy. Dude, it's a great day
to save lives. And if Derek was saving lives in
front of me, I can't blame them.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I have heard, like, I don't know how true this is,
And if you're a doctor or a nurse listening to
this podcast, we're not This is no judgment. This is
just what I've heard through the greape vine, through like
maybe a personal instance that I had the doctor.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think you're gonna say that or not.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I've heard that like nurses and doctors really because the
thing is because you if you're working long hours at
the hospital or whatever, you're spending a lot of time
with that person. I've heard that like nurses and doctors
coo couplet lot at work.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I could imagine, and they on Gray's Anatomy they have
like a room where they go sleep in and there's
like bunk beds and there you go. You know, if
your attractors, like I said, if Mick Dreamy was saving
lives in front of like and then you're in the
slumber room with him.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I feel like if you're a doctor or a nurse,
the job obviously has amazing moments of reward saving people's lives,
but then there's also like real trauma points, like if
someone dies or like something happens at.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Work, you know, and you're sharing that with them. It
could like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Can see how that would that would happen as well.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I don't know how, but I could. You said lawyers before,
imagine dating a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I think dating a lawyer would be really tricky.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Same imagine the arguments I should be a lawyer, object
take it a sidebar, your honor.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I wouldn't even think about the arguments. I was just
thinking because they have to work such long hours.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They do, but they would know how to argue.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I know how to argue.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay, So the most attractive professions according to Australian women,
what do you think number one is. I'm surprised I
thought it'd be I think an entrepreneur. No, that's not
even on the list Anna, So I.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Was right, really, okay, give it to me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, doctor comes in at thirty six percent and then
a trades person comes in at thirty five. I honestly
thought Australian women would love a trading. Yeah, I thought
that was the whole People do love a trading. They
do love a trading. That's number two.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Doctors just piped them at the post.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, by one percent. I thought athlete would be on
here as well. I'm surprised about that. No, so in it.
Number three is firefighter dude.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
See that doesn't really do it for.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Me really, the calendars of all the firefighters with the
hoses and the unbuttoned shirts and on the big red
fire trucks.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You know, Muscles don't really do it for me either, true,
Like I think like brains do it for me.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Brain's over broad.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, like the doctor, I can understand trading. I think
the trading is like, I think it's attractive having someone.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Around the house, handyman.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Handyman do things like.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Women do love a good handyman, don't they just to
take care of stuff?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, like things that would be annoying or like you
would need tools for that. You don't have. I mean
some women might have tools. I don't someone to just
like get shit done.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That's what everything going wrong. You're not so not hand.
Then in a number four is engineer on twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Percent, Yeah, my dad and my brother.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Lawyer at twenty eight percent. Yeah, policeman at twenty eight percent,
pilot at twenty eight percent. Pilots when they uniforms. Yeah,
I had to say, like when you have the silent.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
To me, I'm just like, I would hate the level
of traveling.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yes, you know, like different cities all the time, and yeah,
I think pilots would have an average rep.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
He's thinking about. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I've heard stories.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I mean I think what the thing is is there's
always stories about someone in some profession.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But that's what I was thinking when you asked me,
And I was like, you know, certain people you meet
in certain professions sort of bomeishit for you. Do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
There's and I think that there's going to be like
people who yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Like so you can't really stereotypical. Yeah shit, you can't
like be like okay just because you know you know
that doctor, I knew that hairdresser. We can't be like
they're all like this, now, do you know what I mean? Yeah?
Or I heard this story about a pilot, Like, they're
not all like that. There's some good ones out there. Yeah,
out there for sure. Be on twenty six percent, I
could imagine a guy saving or a girl saving dogs
(20:17):
Lives's me a puppy architect at twenty six yeah, teacher
at twenty four. Now, I think a teacher is a
quite attractive job.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, okay, So I'm going to go through them and
pick ones. I think doctor trady, engineer, and an architect.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I can see them. I think firefighter should fall
in there.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
They're brave, Yeah, they are brave. Oh my god, guys,
I don't know what's going on. Man.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's an afternoon shift with me, and.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That too better in the mornings. I'm also running on
like literally no sleep, so I apologize.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm in a calorie to for sip. Yeah, just trying
to lean up beach seasons coming up, beach season, you.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Need to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I feel good, look good, feel good. Yeah, that's my mentality,
do you know what I mean? It's not for any
other reason than like I just want to feel good.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, I would like to feel good.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You need good sleep.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I need sleep. Sleep is the key to hell.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It is. I woke up this morning pretty rough, but
I'm not going to rub that in your face. I
slept a full eight. All right, let's wrap this up.
I put my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Looks could kill right now, your feelings are valid, doun
the less. Okay, guys, we're going to wrap it up.
I hope everyone has a great week. Matt. It was
great talking about all of the different professions.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Until next time, guys, Bye bye,
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