May 12, 2025 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wanting to have kids is a huge life decision. But
once you're ready to embark on that journey, what do
you actually need to know? This podcast is the community
you never knew you needed from mums and mums to be.
We're about to embark on this learning journey together and
it's going to be real. It's going to be raw
and a completely non judgmental space. You're listening to Where's
(00:24):
your bumpat And this is Ana Macavoy Staples. I'm going
to be interviewing experts in the field so that all
of our burning questions can be answered, from understanding our
cycle to knowing what is the best time to conceive,
and so much more. We'll get into the difference between
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natural verse c section births, strange pregnancy symptoms and everything
in between. Hello and welcome to another episode of Where's
your Bump. Pat. We are joined by the beautiful well
Steph Claire Smith. Hello. Oh so nice to see little Ages.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, it's been a week, but before that it
was Ages.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It was a week, where before that it was a
long time little backstory. We model together back in the day,
like a very long time ago. We did a photo
shoot together on the great barrier reef was it got
our acting skills. I haven't seen that video so long.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
All I remember is like, actually, it was really easy
to act.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The scene where we came out of the water because
the shells were so uncomfortable on our feet.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
We were just falling on top of each other. All
I remember.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
From the video. Yeah, we were like literally doing this
bikini modeling shoe. But then there was like a side
part to it where we became actors.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Story.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was a full story. I have to find that.
I have to get it up. But anyway, we have
not seen each other in the longest time, and now
we are two weeks apart in pregnancy, which is crazy.
And I was like, I have to get Steph on
the show and talk to you about all things motherhood
and pregnancy because I'm just a rookie and no nothing,
And I'm like, give me all of the advice. I
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need to know everything you have. Harvey. Who how old
is Harvey?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He just turned four?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Okay, so here's four. Also, I was saying to you before,
pregnancy can be really challenging, and hats off to you
because doing it with a four year old is a
whole different kettle. Of fish.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, oh thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I will say, mate, by the sounds of it,
you've had it rougher than I have, with your nausea
and everything. So I am fortunately in that way that
with both times around. I was definitely more nauseous this
time around first trimester, like it worked me around a
lot more than it did with Harvey. Just that kind
of constant nausea feeling, though, Like, ye, not to the
point there was a few moments where I thought, oh
my god, I need to jump out of the cimeter
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throw up, but not to the point of throwing up
every day. And I've had plenty of friends who threw
out basically every day until their baby was here.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So I'm fortunate.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, well, your third trimester, now, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, we were just talking about this.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm just I'm really I think I'm really really excited
for the bubb's arrival. Yeah, and so I'm just really
ready in that sense, like I'm ready emotionally mentally, but
then also physically, I'm really getting over it. And I
think it might just be that I'm not resting nearly
as much as I did first time round. I think
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Harvey's finally sleeping through the night, but I'm not. My
body is waking me up like every hour and a
half to either pee or I'm too hot, or yeah,
my stomach's just uncomfortable all my backs or like there's
just something. And I will say I think I'm excited
to be woken up frequently from something else other than
my own body, you know, from a baby needing to
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be fed or changed or whatever. And I know I'll
be eating my words in like a four months when
I'm fully sweeped apart from that, but it is, it's
a totally different feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I feel like pregnant.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Tiredness is different to newborn tiredness. If that makes you
feel any better going into it first, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What, that's making you feel a lot better. Because I
was saying to Michael, I was like, I don't know
how I'm going to do this. I was telling Steph
before my hips also saw my inner thighs, like what
is that? Just called my osteo And I was like,
please book me, and I need help. I feel like
I'm ninety years old in like my body just feels
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aching and exhausted. But yeah, would you say pregnancy tired
is easier or harder.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think it's harder.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I think it's hard because also you've got like your
normal life, whereas like most most people in that postpartum period,
particularly when the sleep's of the worst, is like you're
in this bubble of like newborn motherhood, postpartum phase anyway.
So you're balancing pregnancy tiredness with a lot of people
work basically up until they pop, or like they're just
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managing life stuff anyway and still trying to keep their
life going before they do have that break. And so
I think there's that, and it's just again I feel
like it's you're getting woken up by something else that's
not only adorable, and you're like so excited to have
in your arms finally, But it's not just like uncomfortable.
It's I don't know, you're feeding something, You're like making
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sure something can live.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's like more purposeful.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I feel it, even though to yourself is literally holding
that exact same being, so you should look at it
the same way.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Tiredness just feels different. I know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, how is this pregnancy different from the one with Harvey?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
First trimester?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Definitely more tired, definitely more nauseous, definitely was showing earlier. Again,
I think that's really common. Second time around, your body
kind of just knows what's going on. But I think
it was also like I was pregnant in COVID so Harvey,
so we were in lockdown. I could rest as much
as I needed to, you know, between Zoom meetings, because
I was still working but I was online. I'd just
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have my feet up on the couch, or if I
wanted to sleep in, I could, or you know, nap
in the afternoon I could. Whereas now with a toddler,
plus balancing, just like normal life and everything, I'm on
the goal the time my hips and stuff started to
ach a lot earlier, exercise was a lot harder for
me to fit in this time around, I think just
because again in cop we had so much more time
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on our hands. Like, yes, I was doing it from home,
but I had the time to do it, even if
it was five minutes on the matter of ten minutes
on the mat, Whereas now I feel like that time
is harder to come by. But also the energy from
like not necessarily sleeping with a toddler, not sleeping in
anymore because I have a toddler, like which most wake
up el that's made a massive difference on the level
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of I think tiredness and entire pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
What's your favorite thing about being pregnant? Because you just
look absolutely glowing. You're pulling it up. You pull it
off so well. You too.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I know people tell you that you're like Matt, but
you do.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's very kind of me. I feel really exhaust It's
like it's such a hard compliment.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
To take it if I'm extra glowy today.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I did use you know, did you thank you?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You do look very glowing.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I think I just feel so fortunate, like it's something that,
you know, I feel it was something that I was
excited for my entire life. I always wanted to be
a mum. I think I'm fortunate that it could happen
for me. I'm fortunate that it's you know, I haven't
had high risk pregnancies or anything like that, and I.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Just find it all so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I think going through it the first time around, I
just grew this like even more because obviously I've had
my well not obviously for anyone who doesn't know I had.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I had quite.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
A history with my relationship with my body, and so
I think going through something like pregnancy, where it's all
about like how it functions and the purpose of it
and not necessarily about how it looks, really I found
really fascinating and really cool to go through, And so
it made me grow that appreciation for my body's ability
so even more so even after all the work that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I'd already done. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Phenomenal how women's bodies work, I think, And so I
think that's my favorite thing, is just being fascinated by
the whole experience and knowing that everyone's experience and and
then every pregnancy is different.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I completely agree. Even like before I got pregnant,
me and Michael were like, how nice will it be?
We'll have a little mix of us. But now that
there's an actual mix of us, if I tell me,
I'm like, that's so crazy and it's strange and extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's so weird, and you will find yourself staring at
this little bub once it's born, and looking at your
belly and just being.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Like, how, yeah, how in the hell were you in there?
Like what?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah? Like when I picture the moment of meeting our son,
I can't quite grasp it. Yeah, And I think like
it just overwhelms me, Like, yeah, you know, when you
to prepare for things, you envision them and you just
like replay over and over. I just can't do that
with this.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And I think it's that's kind of because a lot
of it's out of your control.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, it's like how it actually plays out's out of
our control. But then also, how do you feel in
that moment is out of your control too, Like I
think it's important to acknowledge, Like, so some of my
friends they didn't get that even though pregnancy was what
they wanted, they wanted to be a mom, that was
like more than anything.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
They didn't get that, like, oh my god, I love this.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Being more than anything like instantly for some people that
comes months afterwards. There's like lots of different things that
come into it. So I think it's awesome to also
go into.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It without too much of a vision of what that
is going to be.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But I will say, like with my experience with Harvey,
it was it was super surreal, like I was just
it was kind of like what the fuck just happened? Like,
and I'm fortunate I did have that kind of like
oh my god, this is happening, like I was very
happy when it happened, but it was still very odd,
and I mean like even when he first came out,
like because the placenta was still in my cord was
kind of tight, I couldn't actually see his face at
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the start, Like I was.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Just kind of like, oh my god, this is insane.
I'm like holding him like this and I can't see station.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And then like finally when I could, it was like
I had this secondary moment of like, oh, oh my god,
you've been in there this whole time.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Start having it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It's so weird but amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh my gosh, it is so emotional. Yeah, seriously this week,
this week, I've got way more emotion than the pregnancy,
and like everything's making me tear up, specifically that moment there.
Do you have a gut feeling about this.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Baby, Legender, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I think there's a part of me though that because
I genuinely I don't mind either way. I've loved being
a boy mom, Like I really loved that. I think
it would be cute if you had a little brother,
but in the same light, like I'd love to experience
having a little girl. I really loved my dynamic growing up.
I have an older brother and it was just the
two of us, and I loved that, and so I think.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's also what I'm familiar with.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So I can also really imagine myself having a girl
as well as a boy. So I think because of
that was the reason why we didn't want to find
out in the first place, whereas with Harvey we found
out yep. And I think it's just being this really cool,
exciting way of doing it a little bit different time.
And I mean, again, every birth is different, so I
knew that there wasn't like I couldn't expect her to
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go exactly how it's gone with Harvey or whatever. But
I think having that added difference has made it exciting
as well. Yeah, second time around, but yeah, I have
no inkling, which could be a subconscious thing to make
sure that I.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Don't get too excited about one or the other.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But it has made names really hard, I will say,
because I don't know about you, but we decided on
Harvey's name probably about six months in and then once
we decided for me, it felt like I started to
get to know him and started calling him that, and
just when he came out, it was like a like
it was just that was who he was or as.
This time around, we're like finding names for both but
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not feeling like we can fully settle on one because
I don't know, it's just a bit different. I think
we've settled on a girl's name, okay, boy's name not
so much. And I think that might be because our
favorite name was Harvey.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And that's taken out.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Start the process over again.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That's like, Michael, we have a boy's name that's set
in stone, but then we have like a second name
in case he doesn't look like the name that we have.
And then Michael's like, should we just call like our
second favorite name? Like should that be his middle name?
And I'm like, but what happens if we have a
second boy? And he said, we can just switch the names,
and like, I don't think that's how it works, honey,
I'm sorry. I don't think that's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There's a lot of pressure. I feel like it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You don't really think about it until you actually have
to decide, and then you're like, I am naming this child.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Like this is there's a lot of pressure. I mean,
they can always change it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But yeah, it is a lot of pressure. For sure,
you wear a lot of hats. I mean, you are
a very successful entrepreneur, you're a mum, you know, your
people's role model in so many senses of the word.
You really can do it all. And I know that
there's that kind of staying at the moment that people
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feel a certain way about that. You know, the mum
who does it all. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It is a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think, like, look, I do.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Wear a lot of hats, and I have managed to
wear a lot of hats, but it hasn't come without
sacrifice and without you know it, feeling really off balance
a lot of the time. There's been periods where I've
felt like work absolutely had to take the front seat
over motherhood at times, which feels so weird to say,
because I think, like innately in me and really like family.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Comes first in everything.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And I think I'm fortunate enough to work with my
best mate, who you know, we both have a lot
of the same value as family being one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, she would never.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Ever expect me to kind of put the business above
family in certain decisions or whatever. But at the same time,
it's this baby that we've both worked on together, and
the decisions we both make do in turn affect the business,
which then affect the other person, and when you love
that person so much as well, it is something to consider, right.
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And so the juggle of being super passionate about what
you do for a living and like running a business,
but then also finally getting to live out your dream
of being a mum as well is really hard to balance.
And then throw on top of that normal life staff
trying to have like a healthy routine and you know,
fit in fitness and exercise and cash up with friends
and like everything else life lot to have balance.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's really hard.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And kids do change things massively and do change priorities,
and that's okay, But I think it's just like the
reality is that it's not. You can't have it all
and it all feels balanced. Like there's weeks that things
take priority and there's weeks that feel harder than others.
But I am also really fortunate that we've been able to,
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I think, come to this place within our team and
within our business where we do have a little bit
more flexibility as to what our roles look like, Like
how often we're in the office.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Not everyone has that, particularly for in like a high
performing role within another business, and it's not your business, Like,
you don't have that option to make that work. So
I think I just try and remind myself of that,
and also I think not assume that things have to
be a certain way. I think for a long time
I thought off this business to.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Be successful, to get it where we need it to
get to, like I need to be sacrificing more.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I've been really selfish in having this decision of having
Harvey like and that was really hard to work through
and took ages for me to realize that that's what
I was doing. And at the end of the day,
I think I'm just really again fortunate that with Laura
being my business partner and also best friend, we've been
able to work through a lot of that and just
have those open conversations to find a place where I could,
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you know, feel really driven at work and like feel like.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I'm adding value.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And because you know, you do lose yourself a little
bit in motherhood at the start, like took a while
of my brain cells to come back and you know,
for me to feel like I could hundred percent be
there and be present, like work through things and feel
as creative as I once did.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Like that took time to kind of come back that confidence.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But to have someone like that, you know, support me
through that journey as well and do her best to
understand it because obviously she can't relate not being am
herself has been like immensely helpful in that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But it's not easy.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's like it's I don't want it to ever come across,
like it's this glossy thing that's easier to come by.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It takes a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And again, even being in the fortunate position where Josh
my partner, can be the primary parent and be a
side home dad, like, yeah, not everyone has that option.
Most people, most families these days, you have to have
dueling come to you know, live and so for us
to have been able to find that balance where he's
at home, I think has helped me so much as well,
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just knowing that Harvey's with him.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well. Speaking of Josh, one of my biggest fears in
going into parenthood and motherhood is and I don't know
if this is just like the negative chatter of line,
because there's so much of it, especially when you become pregnant,
and I'm sure even worse when you become a mom.
But a lot of people have been kind of giving
me warnings saying your relationship is going to completely change
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with Michael, things are going to be so different. You know,
it puts immense pressure on the relationship. How have you
guys dealt with that? Because hearing that is deeply stressful
for me.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
No, of course, I mean, like, look, it does change things.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Like you you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Suddenly don't have the kind of flexibility of spontaneous date
nights and you know you kind of both having your
own lives without fully.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Discussing them with each other.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Like, it does become a lot more thinking of going
out with the boys on Thursday night, like is that
gonna work? Or like you have to have a lot
more of those conversations if you are planning a date night,
obviously have to start thinking about like getting a sitter
or how that's gonna work and all that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Like it so naturally it changes.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And then there's things like sex, which for everyone their
journey back to having sex.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
If that's something that you do in your relationship.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Like that looks very, very different, and that can be
a hard thing to navigate as well, And like there's
been moments where like I've just had no sex drive
or desire or whatever. Maybe it's been in the way
that I'm feeling in myself, or maybe it's just been
like sleep deprivation and like everything in between. Whereas like
sometimes Josh hasn't always aligned with that, like and he's
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been totally fine and been really ready for it, and
that's been hard to work through too, But I think
and then it's also you know, sharing different, Like suddenly
it's not just like normal household yours.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's like you're looking after a human being.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
There's a whole lot more to think about and consider
and be on top of, and like how do you
manage that between you is different for every couple, But
I think it can also be the best change to
a relationship too, Like it I definitely don't think people
should have a baby to fix a relationship, because I
know people do. It definitely does challenge you, but I
think it can also be this incredible moment where you
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see each other grow so much. You're more of a
team than ever because you have to be, And so
that's really really beautiful too, And like getting to see
the person that you love as a dad or like
a mom.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Is just so beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, I'm so excited for that part.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, definitely, you get excited. Like, Yeah, I think it's nice.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I think what you said before about the negativity online,
like it is really hard to find that balance, and
even in like the own my stuff that I share
as well, it's you want to be. I think I've
had friends who have gone into motherhood who have not
followed any of the.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Relatable or real pages and.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Have kind of just seen the glossy side and have
felt really taken back when their experience has been quite different.
And I think because I'm aware of that, I like
to be open about some of the stuff like sleep
troubles or whatever, like it happens, right.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But I think it is also.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Really important that people remember just like birth pregnancy, your
experience with motherhood can differ so so much, and so
seeing all the positive stuff is all are really important
because it doesn't It's not scary and terrifying and like
the worst experience or whatever, like some people kind of
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make it out.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
To be because it is for them. That doesn't mean
it's going to be that way for you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So if you've got to find that balance, I think
with the content you consume online.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
How would you describe your parenting style?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, oh, that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I don't think I like belong in any particular label
because I think there is so many different styles out there,
and I think it's cool to learn about them as well,
because and I think what's really important. And I don't
know if you guys have done this. We certainly hadn't,
but kind of have now through the motions and through
connecting with the experts and stuff, But I think it's
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
As well to learn about each other's upbringing and the
parenting that they had.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Because as much as some people say, like I'm going
to be different or I'm not going to it rears
its head like it's the mirror you didn't know you
need it in ways, or like you just when you're
challenged and your patience has challenged, like there's certain sides
of you that like do come out. And it could
be from your past experience or it could be from
something else. But I think it's really good to go
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into it knowing what you both grew up with and
what kind of like discipline or like consequences or just
the way that you were, I don't know, resettled at
night and like all that. It's really interesting to know
where you've both come from because naturally it does come
out a little bit. Even if you do end up
doing something different, it's still kind of like innate in
you in some way. So I find that really fascinating.
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But I think I was really fortunate. I think I
grew up like in a really safe environment. I love
my family. I'm still really close with my family. My
dad was more disciplinary than my mom. She would just
throw out the whole like I'm disappointed, oh's but she
was very very comforting. She was a safe space. She
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was very soft, gentle. I remember calling out at night
as a toddler, and like, I just have very very
thick memories of my mum always being there.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I do.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think I have this like nurturing element to me
that like can't handle him calling out, Like I can't
ignore him calling out to me at night and everything
like that. But at the same time, I'm not like
a complete push Like you know, it's really hard to
find that balance, especially as they get into their toddler
years and you are trying to teach them kind of
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like not right from wrong, but you know, things just anything.
It is hard to find that balance of like checking
yourself and it's like, hang on, am I starting to
scream and get really annoyed and whatever because of my
own emotions or is he actually manipulating me at this
point right now, which like generally it is. It's you
got to keep yourself in check and everything like that.
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But it's the hardest thing ever when you're being tested.
So I think, I don't know. I like to like
inform myself of the different ways of doing things and
teaching them things, but I think, really, I just my
biggest thing is empowering him.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
To be like super aware of his motions.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I want him to always feel like he can talk
to me about anything.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We've got like a no secrets rule in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like there's certain things that I've been taught that are
really important that I'm really passionate about, and then there's
other things that I'm really flexible on and I'm still
learning every single day. So yeah, I can't really label it,
but I'm just somewhere in between.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're an incredible mon It's what it sounds like to me.
I was like, oh, I like that. I'll take that one.
No secrets in the house. Do you want to know why?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yecause I find it really sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I've spoke to and it's look, it's deep and it's
a dark topic. But Janine Standers has come on my
podcast a couple of times to speak about basically like
risks involved in abuse for children and everything like that
and sexual abuse and stuff particularly, and secrets is one
that for me, it was just like it clicked and
it made so much sense. But people, often predators use
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secrets as a way of seeing of testing if a
kid is going to keep a secret on it basically,
so it might start like here's this chocolate, but don't
tell mum, and then they basically wait and see if
this kid tells mum or not. So it's like whether
or not they've been taught to open up and to
actually keep secrets or not is one thing that they
do in the early stages, which is incredibly common. And
that for me, as soon as I learned that, I
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was like, easy, No, secrets don't exist, surprises, that's okay
because you've you always find out.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, So that's the way.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's something she taught me, and it's something that's just
like because not only to the level of obviously abuse
is incredibly serious, but I think also just as I said,
my mom was so supportive, was always there. Yes, as
a teenager, there was things I kept from my mom,
but I also knew if I did open up to her,
I wasn't going to get kicked out like she would
be there. And I think that that's something that I
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really want to ensure that, like, no matter what's going on,
they know that they've got.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
That unconditional love and support.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, and they can say anything that's beautiful. And I think, yeah,
definitely something that we can all take into our motherhood
journey is wherever that may be. For everyone talk about Well, firstly,
are you still breach? No? Oh you're not?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes, yes, yay, yay.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
When did that happen? It happened?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
When was it?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Probably like just over a week ago now, And so yeah,
I was breached basically from well basically as early as
I could feel kicking, really hard kicking at least, so
probably late late twenties, in the weeks of the late twenties.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And I remember because it felt really different to Harvey.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Because he was never breach and I was like this
is weird, and then didn't really think much of it.
But then I had a scan and kind of learn
more about it, and I was like Okay. At the start,
I tried not to stress too much about it because
I knew there was still so much time for them
to flip. The further along it got, though, I was like, Okay,
now I want to have to go learn more and
like flip you because I think first time around I
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was induced with Harvey and which was fine.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I still had like I still look.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Back at my birth experience and have a positive, you know,
memory of it, but I am still really kind of
yearning for that like experience of going into spontaneous labor,
Like I don't know what that feels like. Yeah, So
I feel like even if I get to do that
this time around, it's like a first time mom thing,
like I haven't experienced that. So I'm excited for that hopefully,
And that's definitely my preference. But I think knowing that
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it was breach and knowing the risks involved in vaginal breach,
although I'm very very fortunate my obstetrician, which is super
rare now, was really comfortable with me going down that
route if that's what I wanted to do, and they've
delivered before really vaginal breach. So like, I was lucky
that I had the option because I have had friends
who weren't really sure which way they would want to go,
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but their obstition was very much like hell bent on
no C sections.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
The safer option, that's all I'll do.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And of course, when a health professional tells you that
you're gonna be like, well, fuck, of course, I trust you.
I'm not going to forget my instinct, like, We'll do
what you want to do. That makes total sense. And
I was really torn, Like I was really torn on
if this comes to a point where I have to
make this decision, I generally don't know what I want to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Do, like, which was kind of hard with the option.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So instead I just wanted to do all the different
things that people said worked for them and do it
in a way that was like because and I'll say this,
because I tried to induce myself in the first trimester, sorry,
in the first pregnancy with Harvey, and I did all
the different things that people said to do and none
of it fucking worked and ended up having to get
properly induced. So I wanted to approach it differently to that,
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in thinking like one of this is these things is
definitely going to work. I just wanted to do it
in case it got to thirty eight weeks and I
was having to make that decision and I didn't have
this like, oh, if you'd just tried a few more
of those inversions or like you know, gone to accupuntu
or whatever. I just I didn't want to get to
that point where I wished i'd tried something. I'd rather
try the different things get to the point where I
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had to make the decision be like, well, this it's breach.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
For a reason, the pubs decided to be this way.
It is what it is. So I did.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I tried different things, and acupuncua was something that I
did at my third trimester with Harvey anyway, so I
was probably going to do it regardless of whether the
bub was breached, but that was one of the things
that came up.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So I did that a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
The spinning babies moves are like famous, so many people
were like, spinning babies, do the moves, So we were
doing that one in particular that I felt like genuinely
did probably add to the flip was.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Our bed is.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
One that lifts up from from the end for storage underneath,
and so I'm lying on it flat on my back
and Josh lifts the bet up, so I'm basically lying
on a tilt, which in the video you're meant to
do on an ironing board against the couch.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But I was like, we've got a bed.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
The funny thing is it was Josh's idea.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Like when we were like, oh, I don't know about
the ironing board, He's like, hang on, I've got an idea.
And I got in the bed and he did it,
and it was fun for the first time, but then
he realized the whole time he has to hold me there.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
He supped there five to ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
So like he was an absolute true But we did
that honestly for I think a week and a half,
like last every night, and he held me up the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
There was a few times he complained and I was like,
and then just stop. And I think so the night that.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It did actually happen two days before, I'd also seen
this lady.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
She's it's g Laurie On. She's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Anyway, so many people swore by her for like flipping
babies or or at least helping you understand why it
might be breach or whatever. She like looks into your
hips into a position of different things and all that stuff.
And she'd done this release for me, and you know,
it was kind of like, oh, see how you go
over the next forty eight hours. And it was within
that forty eight hours that it happened. So again, wow,
don't know if because again some people were like, I
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didn't do anything. And at thirty seven weeks, my baby flipped.
So like each to their own of what you want
to believe in, but I was doing that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And then the night that we did that.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Speaking babies move from like legs up in the air,
I felt the bub go like fully sideways, like my
stomach went squat and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
My god, you felt it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I could fully feel it go sideways.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And we were like, wow, it has It's moved every
time we've done it, but not to this level.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And then and then I didn't feel it like fully flip.
I just felt a to settle.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And then the next morning I remember driving to work
and they're just being so much tumbling going on, and
I was like, what is going on? In my stomach,
didn't think of it for the rest of the day.
Had a really busy day at work. Had a scan
at the end of the day which was with a
obstetrician who is like renowned for ecvs, which is when
they kind of physically flip them from the outside. And
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to be fair, I actually didn't think I was going
to go through with an ECV. I think I was
happy to kind of go the different routes of like
making room for bub to flip, but not necessarily physically
making them do it. I didn't know how to sorry
with that, and so I was just doing the scan
with him just to check on it and also like
just learn more about it and if I wanted to
go ahead, it was going to be booked in for
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the next week. But he yeah, felt my tummy and
knew instantly that the baby was head down. Had a
trainee with him, so he was like, I'm just gonna
pop out for a second, you check on bub, and
then I'll come and do the scan, and I.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Think he was just testing the trainee to see if
he could tell.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Unfortunately, the training could not tell, because when I came
back in, they were like, yeah, I felt the head
up there, and in my head, I'm like, yeah, I
like that's what I knew. I knew it's still preach.
But then he just gets the scan and puts it
like right right down below my pelvis and just like
looks at me because on the screen you can just
like so clearly say see the head, like the circle,
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and he's like, well, there's Bub's head.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And it took me a moment to register, and I
just started crying. And I think it was just this
like relief.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean, there's always you know, they can always flip back,
but there was just this immense amount of relief that
I could still hold on to. Okay, I don't have
to right now anyway, still could change. I don't have
to make any like huge decisions. I can just go
with the flow and just see what happens again.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And I was really relieved of that. So, yeah, we'll
see again.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You never know, like I might need to get induced
again or something else could happen.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You never know. But at least I'm not feeling like, oh,
I have to really make a decision now.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, that was a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'm currently, well I say currently, I'm the
last time they checked, I was breach, but I was
doing my final maternity photo shoot and they were like,
do you mind lying on your side? And I was like, oh,
A bit stiff, and I'll try. And I like, even
hearing you describe it, I was on my side and
all of a sudden, my belly just kind of like
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shot like out and I felt like the turn. I think,
I think I'm seeing my OBIM went on Thursday, so
I'll be able to clarify them, but I'm pretty sure
he's turned.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Also, yeah, and if honestly, and I say this because
it happened to me, even if they haven't, there's still
time and it still can And also it.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Can happen like last minute as well. You never know.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
But I know, I know I was exactly where you are.
I know how kind of in your head you get
about it all. How are you feeling about that?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I feel I feel okay. I've been also going to acupuncture.
I have an osteo who's amazing as well, kind of
trying to do all of the things. I've been like
almost doing headstand in front of the TV at night,
So just trying to do all the things. And then
I feel like if I do all of those things
and tick the mask, then at least I can sleep
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easy at night kind of thing. But funnily enough, my
mum I was breach when well I was breach and
the day they told my mom you're having a sea section,
and she kind of got to the point where she
was like, Okay, I want to have a sea section.
Now I'm happy with it. And the day before she
gave birth, I flipped and they're like, you're not having
a sea section anymore. She's like what No, my head
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around that. She just like come to pieces it, and
then she's like, now I need to like retrain everything, yeah,
and get ready for who knows, like what could happen,
Like it can happen. So last minute, like you said
something I wanted to ask you about because I've never
heard anyone talk about this before, but I know it's
super common and pregnant women is pro lapse. Can you
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talk us through just that whole experience, because yeah, I was.
It was cool hearing you even just talk publicly about it,
because I think it's something that people are like, I
don't want to say anything's so ashamed.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, because like at the end of the day, Like, basically,
prolaps is kind of when you're like insides are like
almost outside, so like it is a bit like ecky
to talk about it, but it's for me. It was
important to be open about because it did mean my
return to exercise was like a little different, and I
was really lucky that my degree of prolapse was in
the space where I could just work through some physio
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stuff like internal physio, public floor exercises and everything like
that to get it back to feeling quite normal, Whereas
for some people if it doesn't get if you don't
get a check and it goes unrecognized and it goes
on for too long, it can get worse and worse
and you can have surgery, like you need surgery.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
So I think I was fortunate.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
That I was encouraged to get an internal check because
I didn't even know that was the thing. I thought,
like the GP just said like, yeah, cool, if you're
six weeks postpart you're not bleeding anymore, so like EA's
back into exercise, which I feel most people that is
the case, but because someone's had said like, well no,
especially I think because they knew, like I was pretty
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keen to get back to movement. I mean we had
to shoot like five months postpartum per kick like workouts
and everything that I was trying to prepare my body
for and everything also just being the exercise is a
huge part of my life.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I was so keen to have that back in my routine.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I it was really important to me that I did
it gently and properly, and that I wasn't going to
just like race back into.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It and then actually be injured or like not be
able to do it free for longer. So I had
my internal check had a.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Bladder prolapse, which basically for me, the symptoms were an
immense amount of heaviness feeling, and anyone who had I
think you can even have a lot of these symptoms
even if you've had a cesarean but vaginal birth, Like
it's normal to feel a little bit of heaviness like
after birth when you're like standing up and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
But for me, it was dragging on. It was a
lot heavier, dragging feel.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Unless I was spending most of my day horizontal, it
was pretty like almost painful and uncomfortable. Going to the
toilet was like uncomfortable, Like it generally felt like I
was going to be pushing my insides out, which is
so TMI felt like just wasn't great, and so that
was enough for my normal physio to be like, you
should get an internal check because that heaviness feeling like
probably should have eased off by now, and again I
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just was doing kind of She gave me a number
of different public floor exercises and kind of routines to
stick to and then really gently ease my way back
and into exercise, and I'm really grateful for that information,
and I think that's why I wanted to talk about
it openly, because if you can access that, I really
would suggest everyone go and get checked out, particularly if
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exercise is a big thing for you, because if I
hadn't done that, and I had kind of eased back
into exercise, even if I tried to do it gently
or whatever, it could have been too much and it
could have made it a whole lot worse, which in
the long run wouldn't have been great.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, I think it's so interesting hearing you talk about it,
even just the if anyone is you know, ignant right
now or thinking about being pregnant in the future or
trying to get pregnant, that heaviness feeling. Just to even
know that is so helpful, like even for me just
you know, yeah, den eye.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Out again, an element of it is normal.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, and to be for sure, but it's when.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You start to think like should this have gone by
now or like this is like pretty full on, Like definitely.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I'm still very undecided on whether we are going to
show the baby's face online. It's actually I've not actually
had a conversation with anyone about this really other thing. Michael. Yeah,
but I feel like you're a great person to have
this conversation with because you started with having Harvey's face online.
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You guys now don't have this face online. Can you
just take us through like that process, that mental process.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, So I think to start with, you only know
what you know, right, and like were often naive, I think,
to a lot of what's going on in the world
and stuff like that. And when I first was putting
him online, I certainly wasn't aware of.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Like a lot of risks and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
But also I was someone who showed every corner of
my life online. Like even for people talking about I
don't know, their mental health was like a no go
zone on their social media.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Is like, that's not what social.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Media is for, Like that's just like putting up photos
going up with my girlfriends or whatever. And I'm referring
to some of my friends who like don't necessarily have
a platform as in a profile or thousands of follows
or anything like that. But everyone shows up really differently online.
But I've always shown up one hundred percent myself, one
hundred percent authentic, Like every corner of my life basically
is online and always has been.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
And so for me, it just didn't It wasn't even
a decision at the start.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I was like, yeah, obviously I'm gonna share my child,
Like I didn't think about it. It was just like he's
a huge part of my life now, so he's.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Gonna be in my content. The further along it went,
the more I.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Understood why people didn't. But I think it wasn't as
scary at the start like it was. It was more
like a personal decision or thing or whatever. But then
more and more you became more aware of the risks
involved and even just like AI and all this scary shit,
and it just started to fee a little bit uncomfortable.
And it just got to this point where I was
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like Also, he was getting to an age, so I
think we stopped when he was about two. He was
getting to an age where he was starting to be
more recognizable like when they're babies, honestly, like every week
they changed. They look so different week to week. And
for me, the flag that woke me up the most
was my mom started like if she was looking after
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him and had him in the pram at a cafe
or whatever, people would recognize him without me even needing
to be there. So like fair enough if they see
me in the street and they're like, oh, that must
be Harvey. But people would see my mom with him
and be like, that's Harvey, that's Steph cles Smith's kid,
and that for me, I was like, that's so not okay.
And like even having even when I was there, having
strangers go up to him and say like.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Hi, Harvey, I'm like, how confusing for this kid, Like
how did he I'd be like, how do you know him?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Like, and I was like, I just that didn't sit
well with me. So that, to be honest, was the
main thing. And then even since then, I've learned even
more about some of the risks and everything of kids
being online. And again I don't want anyone to feel
that if they've decided otherwise that that's wrong. It's really
I think it's down to the family and everyone needs
to make their own decisions. And if you really like
disagree with someone like you just you don't need to
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follow them, You don't need to buy into their life,
like you know whatever. Just like at the end of
the day, I think it's it's their decision, and I
think it's we need to give parents grace as well to.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Change their mind.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Like even if there is people that you follow who
might have been sharing their kids online for eight years
and then suddenly they decide that they don't like I've
seen people get I mean even I've been judged, like
people have been.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like, what a joke you shared him for two years?
Like we all know what he looks like.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm like, so I can't change my mind or like
I can't like flip the way I'm looking at this
or still do what I think is best for my family.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Like that, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Like we all need grace to learn and change and
change our decisions. And so people I've been asking us, like,
you know, are you going to share Bub's face online?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And I don't think we will.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I think, even though you know, we are about
to go through that stage again where that'll look different
every single week, I think I've found my groove in
being able to share motherhood and Harvey and you know,
my life without his face necessarily having to be a
part of it. And that's just where I feel comfortable now,
and so I think we'll probably do that with bub
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number two, like they're still going to be part of
my content, you know, will I necessarily be putting up
as much.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No when near as much content as I did with Harvey.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I think I was just like, you get this like
immense amount of pride around this being that you're like,
oh my god, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Obsessed with you.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I want the whole entire well to know it and
like see you because you're the cutest thing that ever existed.
So I think I'm a little bit more like I've
got a bit of hindsight from the first time in
doing that and maybe going a bit overboard.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
With how much I was sharing him.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
But yeah, I think if you're on the phone about it,
I think that's okay too, and that's totally normal, and
you've just got to figure out what feels right for you, guys,
and even if it means you do start and then
you decide not to, like, just give yourself grace.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
To work out what you feel comfortable with. Everyone is
really different.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's literally the point that we're
on at the moment, where we're like, but babies change
all the time, and you know, there's this evolution of
what they're eventually going to look like, and it looks
nothing like when they were a baby. It also upsets
me that people feel so entitled that they have an
opinion when you've changed your mind, Like that's none of
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their business. And I think people need to respect the
fact that you can change your mind time if you
wanted to tomorrow, you can post Harvey, and that's your prerogative.
It's your child. So yeah, I'm sorry that people are
so judgmental sometimes.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I mean, unfortunately, that is the hardest part I think
with mothering with a public profile, is that there are
so many polarizing opinions in parenthood. Whether you co sleep
or not, whether you bottlefeed or not, with your formula
feed or not, like all of that, whether you send
them to daycare or you stay at home, Like there
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are so many polarizing opinions. You are not going to
please everyone with your decisions, and it can make it
really hard, particularly first time around, in like listening to
your intuition and your gut and actually figuring out what
feels right for your family when you have like thousands
of opinions coming at you being.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Like, no, no, this is what you need to do.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
So, you know, just give yourself again some grace with
some of those decisions that you guys are going to
be making together, because unfortunately that comes with it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
And I think what's wild is it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
There's things that I remember before being a mum myself
that I definitely judged mums for, and like now I think,
going through it and trying a lot of different things,
I'm like, you do whatever fuck you want with your kid,
Like whatever gets you through, whatever makes you survive and
have a happy life, Like I mean, obviously as long as.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's within reason.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
But yeah, I should go without saying, but yeah, I
feel like I've got so much more appreciation for like
how hard some of those decisions and like figuring that
out can be that, you know, the thoughts that I
had before having Harvey being like, oh, such a go
with the flow person, like I will never have some
regimented sleep routine that like stops us from like I
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don't know, going to dinner at night or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
They'll just like live and work with us.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
And some people do make that work, mind you, but man,
I became anal with this.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's just un laughing because this is me. It's thought dinner.
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Stage just where you will be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
And if if I could say anything, if you feel
well and up for it, get out as much as
you can in the newborn stage, like because although enjoy
the bubble, but when you have felt like if you
enjoyed your bubble and like, now okay, you want to
do some life stuff. It's really only until like three
or four months old where they start to become a
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little bit more aware of their surroundings and you've got
to kind of consider more things like for their sleep
or like are they getting enough sleep or have we
got some sort of routine. Until then, they just like
they just eat and sleep and they can do that anywhere.
So like if I could have, we were in lockdown,
so I couldn't. I probably would have done more in
that time, because then there's a period where it does
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get a little bit harder.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Again, some people still do it.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I've had friends who like, honestly are camping every second
weekend and they've their kids have just been able to
do that with them, and hats off to them. Whether
you choose to go down the routine root or.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Not is up to you. But yeah, it's just it's
just funny how different my perspective is since.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Being Yeah, for sure, and I already know, like even
just like having this podcast. It's just that this podcast
started because I just wanted to learn, and I was like,
I'm going to learn anyway, so I might as well
do it with everyone, and just but I already know,
like some of the things that I think i'd I'm
just going to be like, oh Anna, I'm going to
(46:03):
listen back and be like, oh I fhly, but.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You know what them because you never.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Know, you never know. We'll keep a little bit of hope.
Well it's your favorite thing about being a mum.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I feel like I'm the best version of myself and
the worst at times. I will say, when your patience
is tested and you're sleep deprived and everything like that,
I can really show myself like how yeah, I'm like,
oh my god, I do not like that side. But
it's also been incredible for I think self growth and
appreciation and self awareness and everything. So I genuinely think
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I'm the best person I've ever been and I'm the
most proud of myself for who i am since being
a mum.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I think just like having this being that relies on you.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
So much, and there is this huge responsibility in how
you bring them into the world and how they are
as a human, Like there's something so beautiful. It's heavy,
but there's something so beautiful in that as well that
just makes me feel really proud of myself. And yeah,
it's kind of hard to compare. There's nothing in my
life that I could compare to that has given me
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this like this level of appreciation for myself, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm hormonal, Okay, Steph. Thank you so much for coming
on the podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure. I've taken
so much out of this conversation personally, and I know
that our listeners will get a lot out of it,
So thank you so much. And also you have kick Bump.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, and also like if anyone's interested,
I'll set up a pre month code, maybe pop it
in the show notes. Yeah whatever, absolutely, But yeah, we've
got basically since I had Harvey been able to really
connect with my community of pre and postpartum mums, there
was a lot out there, especially in the fitness and
wellness space that kind of like what we've touched on
today sounded so polarizing or so regimented that just didn't
(47:58):
make sense to me because everyone's experience is so different.
So what we've tried to do is just make movement
a lot more approachable in those phases and just give
back to yourself and not worry about what you look
like more so easy to exercise when you're ready postpartum
and stuff. And so we've got programs and content and
everything in the app that i'd love for you guys
to check out if that's the phase of life that
you're in. But yeah, maybe we'll we'll make the code,
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wy ba, maybe I'll make it.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
We'll put in the show notes, whatever it's going to be,
figure it out. See if you enjoy it. If you do,
like that means.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
A well, sounds incredible, I'll put that in the show
notes for you guys. It will be w y b A.
Why Bert came up with it, so we have to
go with it now. And again, thank you. I really
appreciate you coming in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
I'm so excited for you. Thank you. Howl out.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh my god, I know so like, yeah, it's just
a crazy time in your life, isn't it. Thank you
and I'll talk to you so bye. Mhm.
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Steph Claire Smith. Hello. Oh so nice to see little Ages.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, it's been a week, but before that it
was Ages.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It was a week, where before that it was a
long time little backstory. We model together back in the day,
like a very long time ago. We did a photo
shoot together on the great barrier reef was it got
our acting skills. I haven't seen that video so long.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
All I remember is like, actually, it was really easy
to act.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The scene where we came out of the water because
the shells were so uncomfortable on our feet.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
We were just falling on top of each other. All
I remember.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
From the video. Yeah, we were like literally doing this
bikini modeling shoe. But then there was like a side
part to it where we became actors.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Story.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was a full story. I have to find that.
I have to get it up. But anyway, we have
not seen each other in the longest time, and now
we are two weeks apart in pregnancy, which is crazy.
And I was like, I have to get Steph on
the show and talk to you about all things motherhood
and pregnancy because I'm just a rookie and no nothing,
And I'm like, give me all of the advice. I
(02:12):
need to know everything you have. Harvey. Who how old
is Harvey?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He just turned four?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Okay, so here's four. Also, I was saying to you before,
pregnancy can be really challenging, and hats off to you
because doing it with a four year old is a
whole different kettle. Of fish.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, oh thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I will say, mate, by the sounds of it,
you've had it rougher than I have, with your nausea
and everything. So I am fortunately in that way that
with both times around. I was definitely more nauseous this
time around first trimester, like it worked me around a
lot more than it did with Harvey. Just that kind
of constant nausea feeling, though, Like, ye, not to the
point there was a few moments where I thought, oh
my god, I need to jump out of the cimeter
(02:52):
throw up, but not to the point of throwing up
every day. And I've had plenty of friends who threw
out basically every day until their baby was here.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So I'm fortunate.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, well, your third trimester, now, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, we were just talking about this.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm just I'm really I think I'm really really excited
for the bubb's arrival. Yeah, and so I'm just really
ready in that sense, like I'm ready emotionally mentally, but
then also physically, I'm really getting over it. And I
think it might just be that I'm not resting nearly
as much as I did first time round. I think
(03:29):
Harvey's finally sleeping through the night, but I'm not. My
body is waking me up like every hour and a
half to either pee or I'm too hot, or yeah,
my stomach's just uncomfortable all my backs or like there's
just something. And I will say I think I'm excited
to be woken up frequently from something else other than
my own body, you know, from a baby needing to
(03:51):
be fed or changed or whatever. And I know I'll
be eating my words in like a four months when
I'm fully sweeped apart from that, but it is, it's
a totally different feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I feel like pregnant.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Tiredness is different to newborn tiredness. If that makes you
feel any better going into it first, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What, that's making you feel a lot better. Because I
was saying to Michael, I was like, I don't know
how I'm going to do this. I was telling Steph
before my hips also saw my inner thighs, like what
is that? Just called my osteo And I was like,
please book me, and I need help. I feel like
I'm ninety years old in like my body just feels
(04:24):
aching and exhausted. But yeah, would you say pregnancy tired
is easier or harder.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think it's harder.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I think it's hard because also you've got like your
normal life, whereas like most most people in that postpartum period,
particularly when the sleep's of the worst, is like you're
in this bubble of like newborn motherhood, postpartum phase anyway.
So you're balancing pregnancy tiredness with a lot of people
work basically up until they pop, or like they're just
(04:52):
managing life stuff anyway and still trying to keep their
life going before they do have that break. And so
I think there's that, and it's just again I feel
like it's you're getting woken up by something else that's
not only adorable, and you're like so excited to have
in your arms finally, But it's not just like uncomfortable.
It's I don't know, you're feeding something, You're like making
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sure something can live.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It's like more purposeful.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I feel it, even though to yourself is literally holding
that exact same being, so you should look at it
the same way.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Tiredness just feels different. I know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, how is this pregnancy different from the one with Harvey?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
First trimester?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Definitely more tired, definitely more nauseous, definitely was showing earlier. Again,
I think that's really common. Second time around, your body
kind of just knows what's going on. But I think
it was also like I was pregnant in COVID so Harvey,
so we were in lockdown. I could rest as much
as I needed to, you know, between Zoom meetings, because
I was still working but I was online. I'd just
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have my feet up on the couch, or if I
wanted to sleep in, I could, or you know, nap
in the afternoon I could. Whereas now with a toddler,
plus balancing, just like normal life and everything, I'm on
the goal the time my hips and stuff started to
ach a lot earlier, exercise was a lot harder for
me to fit in this time around, I think just
because again in cop we had so much more time
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on our hands. Like, yes, I was doing it from home,
but I had the time to do it, even if
it was five minutes on the matter of ten minutes
on the mat, Whereas now I feel like that time
is harder to come by. But also the energy from
like not necessarily sleeping with a toddler, not sleeping in
anymore because I have a toddler, like which most wake
up el that's made a massive difference on the level
(06:33):
of I think tiredness and entire pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
What's your favorite thing about being pregnant? Because you just
look absolutely glowing. You're pulling it up. You pull it
off so well. You too.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I know people tell you that you're like Matt, but
you do.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's very kind of me. I feel really exhaust It's
like it's such a hard compliment.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
To take it if I'm extra glowy today.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I did use you know, did you thank you?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You do look very glowing.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I think I just feel so fortunate, like it's something that,
you know, I feel it was something that I was
excited for my entire life. I always wanted to be
a mum. I think I'm fortunate that it could happen
for me. I'm fortunate that it's you know, I haven't
had high risk pregnancies or anything like that, and I.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Just find it all so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I think going through it the first time around, I
just grew this like even more because obviously I've had
my well not obviously for anyone who doesn't know I had.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I had quite.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
A history with my relationship with my body, and so
I think going through something like pregnancy, where it's all
about like how it functions and the purpose of it
and not necessarily about how it looks, really I found
really fascinating and really cool to go through, And so
it made me grow that appreciation for my body's ability
so even more so even after all the work that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I'd already done. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Phenomenal how women's bodies work, I think, And so I
think that's my favorite thing, is just being fascinated by
the whole experience and knowing that everyone's experience and and
then every pregnancy is different.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I completely agree. Even like before I got pregnant,
me and Michael were like, how nice will it be?
We'll have a little mix of us. But now that
there's an actual mix of us, if I tell me,
I'm like, that's so crazy and it's strange and extraterrestrial.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's so weird, and you will find yourself staring at
this little bub once it's born, and looking at your
belly and just being.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Like, how, yeah, how in the hell were you in there?
Like what?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah? Like when I picture the moment of meeting our son,
I can't quite grasp it. Yeah, And I think like
it just overwhelms me, Like, yeah, you know, when you
to prepare for things, you envision them and you just
like replay over and over. I just can't do that
with this.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And I think it's that's kind of because a lot
of it's out of your control.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, it's like how it actually plays out's out of
our control. But then also, how do you feel in
that moment is out of your control too, Like I
think it's important to acknowledge, Like, so some of my
friends they didn't get that even though pregnancy was what
they wanted, they wanted to be a mom, that was
like more than anything.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
They didn't get that, like, oh my god, I love this.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Being more than anything like instantly for some people that
comes months afterwards. There's like lots of different things that
come into it. So I think it's awesome to also
go into.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It without too much of a vision of what that
is going to be.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But I will say, like with my experience with Harvey,
it was it was super surreal, like I was just
it was kind of like what the fuck just happened? Like,
and I'm fortunate I did have that kind of like
oh my god, this is happening, like I was very
happy when it happened, but it was still very odd,
and I mean like even when he first came out,
like because the placenta was still in my cord was
kind of tight, I couldn't actually see his face at
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the start, Like I was.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Just kind of like, oh my god, this is insane.
I'm like holding him like this and I can't see station.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And then like finally when I could, it was like
I had this secondary moment of like, oh, oh my god,
you've been in there this whole time.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Start having it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It's so weird but amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh my gosh, it is so emotional. Yeah, seriously this week,
this week, I've got way more emotion than the pregnancy,
and like everything's making me tear up, specifically that moment there.
Do you have a gut feeling about this.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Baby, Legender, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I think there's a part of me though that because
I genuinely I don't mind either way. I've loved being
a boy mom, Like I really loved that. I think
it would be cute if you had a little brother,
but in the same light, like I'd love to experience
having a little girl. I really loved my dynamic growing up.
I have an older brother and it was just the
two of us, and I loved that, and so I think.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's also what I'm familiar with.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So I can also really imagine myself having a girl
as well as a boy. So I think because of
that was the reason why we didn't want to find
out in the first place, whereas with Harvey we found
out yep. And I think it's just being this really cool,
exciting way of doing it a little bit different time.
And I mean, again, every birth is different, so I
knew that there wasn't like I couldn't expect her to
(11:06):
go exactly how it's gone with Harvey or whatever. But
I think having that added difference has made it exciting
as well. Yeah, second time around, but yeah, I have
no inkling, which could be a subconscious thing to make
sure that I.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Don't get too excited about one or the other.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But it has made names really hard, I will say,
because I don't know about you, but we decided on
Harvey's name probably about six months in and then once
we decided for me, it felt like I started to
get to know him and started calling him that, and
just when he came out, it was like a like
it was just that was who he was or as.
This time around, we're like finding names for both but
(11:45):
not feeling like we can fully settle on one because
I don't know, it's just a bit different. I think
we've settled on a girl's name, okay, boy's name not
so much. And I think that might be because our
favorite name was Harvey.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And that's taken out.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Start the process over again.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That's like, Michael, we have a boy's name that's set
in stone, but then we have like a second name
in case he doesn't look like the name that we have.
And then Michael's like, should we just call like our
second favorite name? Like should that be his middle name?
And I'm like, but what happens if we have a
second boy? And he said, we can just switch the names,
and like, I don't think that's how it works, honey,
I'm sorry. I don't think that's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There's a lot of pressure. I feel like it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You don't really think about it until you actually have
to decide, and then you're like, I am naming this child.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Like this is there's a lot of pressure. I mean,
they can always change it.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But yeah, it is a lot of pressure. For sure,
you wear a lot of hats. I mean, you are
a very successful entrepreneur, you're a mum, you know, your
people's role model in so many senses of the word.
You really can do it all. And I know that
there's that kind of staying at the moment that people
(13:00):
feel a certain way about that. You know, the mum
who does it all. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It is a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think, like, look, I do.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Wear a lot of hats, and I have managed to
wear a lot of hats, but it hasn't come without
sacrifice and without you know it, feeling really off balance
a lot of the time. There's been periods where I've
felt like work absolutely had to take the front seat
over motherhood at times, which feels so weird to say,
because I think, like innately in me and really like family.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Comes first in everything.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And I think I'm fortunate enough to work with my
best mate, who you know, we both have a lot
of the same value as family being one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, she would never.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Ever expect me to kind of put the business above
family in certain decisions or whatever. But at the same time,
it's this baby that we've both worked on together, and
the decisions we both make do in turn affect the business,
which then affect the other person, and when you love
that person so much as well, it is something to consider, right.
(14:02):
And so the juggle of being super passionate about what
you do for a living and like running a business,
but then also finally getting to live out your dream
of being a mum as well is really hard to balance.
And then throw on top of that normal life staff
trying to have like a healthy routine and you know,
fit in fitness and exercise and cash up with friends
and like everything else life lot to have balance.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's really hard.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And kids do change things massively and do change priorities,
and that's okay, But I think it's just like the
reality is that it's not. You can't have it all
and it all feels balanced. Like there's weeks that things
take priority and there's weeks that feel harder than others.
But I am also really fortunate that we've been able to,
(14:46):
I think, come to this place within our team and
within our business where we do have a little bit
more flexibility as to what our roles look like, Like
how often we're in the office.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Not everyone has that, particularly for in like a high
performing role within another business, and it's not your business, Like,
you don't have that option to make that work. So
I think I just try and remind myself of that,
and also I think not assume that things have to
be a certain way. I think for a long time
I thought off this business to.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Be successful, to get it where we need it to
get to, like I need to be sacrificing more.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I've been really selfish in having this decision of having
Harvey like and that was really hard to work through
and took ages for me to realize that that's what
I was doing. And at the end of the day,
I think I'm just really again fortunate that with Laura
being my business partner and also best friend, we've been
able to work through a lot of that and just
have those open conversations to find a place where I could,
(15:44):
you know, feel really driven at work and like feel like.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I'm adding value.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And because you know, you do lose yourself a little
bit in motherhood at the start, like took a while
of my brain cells to come back and you know,
for me to feel like I could hundred percent be
there and be present, like work through things and feel
as creative as I once did.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Like that took time to kind of come back that confidence.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But to have someone like that, you know, support me
through that journey as well and do her best to
understand it because obviously she can't relate not being am
herself has been like immensely helpful in that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But it's not easy.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's like it's I don't want it to ever come across,
like it's this glossy thing that's easier to come by.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It takes a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And again, even being in the fortunate position where Josh
my partner, can be the primary parent and be a
side home dad, like, yeah, not everyone has that option.
Most people, most families these days, you have to have
dueling come to you know, live and so for us
to have been able to find that balance where he's
at home, I think has helped me so much as well,
(16:48):
just knowing that Harvey's with him.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well. Speaking of Josh, one of my biggest fears in
going into parenthood and motherhood is and I don't know
if this is just like the negative chatter of line,
because there's so much of it, especially when you become pregnant,
and I'm sure even worse when you become a mom.
But a lot of people have been kind of giving
me warnings saying your relationship is going to completely change
(17:12):
with Michael, things are going to be so different. You know,
it puts immense pressure on the relationship. How have you
guys dealt with that? Because hearing that is deeply stressful
for me.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
No, of course, I mean, like, look, it does change things.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Like you you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Suddenly don't have the kind of flexibility of spontaneous date
nights and you know you kind of both having your
own lives without fully.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Discussing them with each other.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Like, it does become a lot more thinking of going
out with the boys on Thursday night, like is that
gonna work? Or like you have to have a lot
more of those conversations if you are planning a date night,
obviously have to start thinking about like getting a sitter
or how that's gonna work and all that.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Like it so naturally it changes.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And then there's things like sex, which for everyone their
journey back to having sex.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
If that's something that you do in your relationship.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Like that looks very, very different, and that can be
a hard thing to navigate as well, And like there's
been moments where like I've just had no sex drive
or desire or whatever. Maybe it's been in the way
that I'm feeling in myself, or maybe it's just been
like sleep deprivation and like everything in between. Whereas like
sometimes Josh hasn't always aligned with that, like and he's
(18:20):
been totally fine and been really ready for it, and
that's been hard to work through too, But I think
and then it's also you know, sharing different, Like suddenly
it's not just like normal household yours.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's like you're looking after a human being.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
There's a whole lot more to think about and consider
and be on top of, and like how do you
manage that between you is different for every couple, But
I think it can also be the best change to
a relationship too, Like it I definitely don't think people
should have a baby to fix a relationship, because I
know people do. It definitely does challenge you, but I
think it can also be this incredible moment where you
(18:54):
see each other grow so much. You're more of a
team than ever because you have to be, And so
that's really really beautiful too, And like getting to see
the person that you love as a dad or like
a mom.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Is just so beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, I'm so excited for that part.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, definitely, you get excited. Like, Yeah, I think it's nice.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I think what you said before about the negativity online,
like it is really hard to find that balance, and
even in like the own my stuff that I share
as well, it's you want to be. I think I've
had friends who have gone into motherhood who have not
followed any of the.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Relatable or real pages and.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Have kind of just seen the glossy side and have
felt really taken back when their experience has been quite different.
And I think because I'm aware of that, I like
to be open about some of the stuff like sleep
troubles or whatever, like it happens, right.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But I think it is also.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Really important that people remember just like birth pregnancy, your
experience with motherhood can differ so so much, and so
seeing all the positive stuff is all are really important
because it doesn't It's not scary and terrifying and like
the worst experience or whatever, like some people kind of
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make it out.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
To be because it is for them. That doesn't mean
it's going to be that way for you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So if you've got to find that balance, I think
with the content you consume online.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
How would you describe your parenting style?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh, oh, that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I don't think I like belong in any particular label
because I think there is so many different styles out there,
and I think it's cool to learn about them as well,
because and I think what's really important. And I don't
know if you guys have done this. We certainly hadn't,
but kind of have now through the motions and through
connecting with the experts and stuff, But I think it's
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
As well to learn about each other's upbringing and the
parenting that they had.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Because as much as some people say, like I'm going
to be different or I'm not going to it rears
its head like it's the mirror you didn't know you
need it in ways, or like you just when you're
challenged and your patience has challenged, like there's certain sides
of you that like do come out. And it could
be from your past experience or it could be from
something else. But I think it's really good to go
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into it knowing what you both grew up with and
what kind of like discipline or like consequences or just
the way that you were, I don't know, resettled at
night and like all that. It's really interesting to know
where you've both come from because naturally it does come
out a little bit. Even if you do end up
doing something different, it's still kind of like innate in
you in some way. So I find that really fascinating.
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But I think I was really fortunate. I think I
grew up like in a really safe environment. I love
my family. I'm still really close with my family. My
dad was more disciplinary than my mom. She would just
throw out the whole like I'm disappointed, oh's but she
was very very comforting. She was a safe space. She
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was very soft, gentle. I remember calling out at night
as a toddler, and like, I just have very very
thick memories of my mum always being there.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So I do.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I think I have this like nurturing element to me
that like can't handle him calling out, Like I can't
ignore him calling out to me at night and everything
like that. But at the same time, I'm not like
a complete push Like you know, it's really hard to
find that balance, especially as they get into their toddler
years and you are trying to teach them kind of
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like not right from wrong, but you know, things just anything.
It is hard to find that balance of like checking
yourself and it's like, hang on, am I starting to
scream and get really annoyed and whatever because of my
own emotions or is he actually manipulating me at this
point right now, which like generally it is. It's you
got to keep yourself in check and everything like that.
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But it's the hardest thing ever when you're being tested.
So I think, I don't know. I like to like
inform myself of the different ways of doing things and
teaching them things, but I think, really, I just my
biggest thing is empowering him.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
To be like super aware of his motions.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I want him to always feel like he can talk
to me about anything.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
We've got like a no secrets rule in the house.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like there's certain things that I've been taught that are
really important that I'm really passionate about, and then there's
other things that I'm really flexible on and I'm still
learning every single day. So yeah, I can't really label it,
but I'm just somewhere in between.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're an incredible mon It's what it sounds like to me.
I was like, oh, I like that. I'll take that one.
No secrets in the house. Do you want to know why?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yecause I find it really sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I've spoke to and it's look, it's deep and it's
a dark topic. But Janine Standers has come on my
podcast a couple of times to speak about basically like
risks involved in abuse for children and everything like that
and sexual abuse and stuff particularly, and secrets is one
that for me, it was just like it clicked and
it made so much sense. But people, often predators use
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secrets as a way of seeing of testing if a
kid is going to keep a secret on it basically,
so it might start like here's this chocolate, but don't
tell mum, and then they basically wait and see if
this kid tells mum or not. So it's like whether
or not they've been taught to open up and to
actually keep secrets or not is one thing that they
do in the early stages, which is incredibly common. And
that for me, as soon as I learned that, I
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was like, easy, No, secrets don't exist, surprises, that's okay
because you've you always find out.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, So that's the way.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's something she taught me, and it's something that's just
like because not only to the level of obviously abuse
is incredibly serious, but I think also just as I said,
my mom was so supportive, was always there. Yes, as
a teenager, there was things I kept from my mom,
but I also knew if I did open up to her,
I wasn't going to get kicked out like she would
be there. And I think that that's something that I
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really want to ensure that, like, no matter what's going on,
they know that they've got.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
That unconditional love and support.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, and they can say anything that's beautiful. And I think, yeah,
definitely something that we can all take into our motherhood
journey is wherever that may be. For everyone talk about Well, firstly,
are you still breach? No? Oh you're not?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes, yes, yay, yay.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
When did that happen? It happened?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
When was it?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Probably like just over a week ago now, And so yeah,
I was breached basically from well basically as early as
I could feel kicking, really hard kicking at least, so
probably late late twenties, in the weeks of the late twenties.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And I remember because it felt really different to Harvey.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Because he was never breach and I was like this
is weird, and then didn't really think much of it.
But then I had a scan and kind of learn
more about it, and I was like Okay. At the start,
I tried not to stress too much about it because
I knew there was still so much time for them
to flip. The further along it got, though, I was like, Okay,
now I want to have to go learn more and
like flip you because I think first time around I
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was induced with Harvey and which was fine.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I still had like I still look.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Back at my birth experience and have a positive, you know,
memory of it, but I am still really kind of
yearning for that like experience of going into spontaneous labor,
Like I don't know what that feels like. Yeah, So
I feel like even if I get to do that
this time around, it's like a first time mom thing,
like I haven't experienced that. So I'm excited for that hopefully,
And that's definitely my preference. But I think knowing that
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it was breach and knowing the risks involved in vaginal breach,
although I'm very very fortunate my obstetrician, which is super
rare now, was really comfortable with me going down that
route if that's what I wanted to do, and they've
delivered before really vaginal breach. So like, I was lucky
that I had the option because I have had friends
who weren't really sure which way they would want to go,
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but their obstition was very much like hell bent on
no C sections.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
The safer option, that's all I'll do.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And of course, when a health professional tells you that
you're gonna be like, well, fuck, of course, I trust you.
I'm not going to forget my instinct, like, We'll do
what you want to do. That makes total sense. And
I was really torn, Like I was really torn on
if this comes to a point where I have to
make this decision, I generally don't know what I want to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Do, like, which was kind of hard with the option.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So instead I just wanted to do all the different
things that people said worked for them and do it
in a way that was like because and I'll say this,
because I tried to induce myself in the first trimester, sorry,
in the first pregnancy with Harvey, and I did all
the different things that people said to do and none
of it fucking worked and ended up having to get
properly induced. So I wanted to approach it differently to that,
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in thinking like one of this is these things is
definitely going to work. I just wanted to do it
in case it got to thirty eight weeks and I
was having to make that decision and I didn't have
this like, oh, if you'd just tried a few more
of those inversions or like you know, gone to accupuntu
or whatever. I just I didn't want to get to
that point where I wished i'd tried something. I'd rather
try the different things get to the point where I
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had to make the decision be like, well, this it's breach.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
For a reason, the pubs decided to be this way.
It is what it is. So I did.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I tried different things, and acupuncua was something that I
did at my third trimester with Harvey anyway, so I
was probably going to do it regardless of whether the
bub was breached, but that was one of the things
that came up.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So I did that a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
The spinning babies moves are like famous, so many people
were like, spinning babies, do the moves, So we were
doing that one in particular that I felt like genuinely
did probably add to the flip was.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Our bed is.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
One that lifts up from from the end for storage underneath,
and so I'm lying on it flat on my back
and Josh lifts the bet up, so I'm basically lying
on a tilt, which in the video you're meant to
do on an ironing board against the couch.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
But I was like, we've got a bed.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
The funny thing is it was Josh's idea.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Like when we were like, oh, I don't know about
the ironing board, He's like, hang on, I've got an idea.
And I got in the bed and he did it,
and it was fun for the first time, but then
he realized the whole time he has to hold me there.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
He supped there five to ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
So like he was an absolute true But we did
that honestly for I think a week and a half,
like last every night, and he held me up the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
There was a few times he complained and I was like,
and then just stop. And I think so the night that.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It did actually happen two days before, I'd also seen
this lady.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
She's it's g Laurie On. She's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Anyway, so many people swore by her for like flipping
babies or or at least helping you understand why it
might be breach or whatever. She like looks into your
hips into a position of different things and all that stuff.
And she'd done this release for me, and you know,
it was kind of like, oh, see how you go
over the next forty eight hours. And it was within
that forty eight hours that it happened. So again, wow,
don't know if because again some people were like, I
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didn't do anything. And at thirty seven weeks, my baby flipped.
So like each to their own of what you want
to believe in, but I was doing that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And then the night that we did that.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Speaking babies move from like legs up in the air,
I felt the bub go like fully sideways, like my
stomach went squat and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
My god, you felt it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, I could fully feel it go sideways.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And we were like, wow, it has It's moved every
time we've done it, but not to this level.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
And then and then I didn't feel it like fully flip.
I just felt a to settle.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
And then the next morning I remember driving to work
and they're just being so much tumbling going on, and
I was like, what is going on? In my stomach,
didn't think of it for the rest of the day.
Had a really busy day at work. Had a scan
at the end of the day which was with a
obstetrician who is like renowned for ecvs, which is when
they kind of physically flip them from the outside. And
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to be fair, I actually didn't think I was going
to go through with an ECV. I think I was
happy to kind of go the different routes of like
making room for bub to flip, but not necessarily physically
making them do it. I didn't know how to sorry
with that, and so I was just doing the scan
with him just to check on it and also like
just learn more about it and if I wanted to
go ahead, it was going to be booked in for
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the next week. But he yeah, felt my tummy and
knew instantly that the baby was head down. Had a
trainee with him, so he was like, I'm just gonna
pop out for a second, you check on bub, and
then I'll come and do the scan, and I.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Think he was just testing the trainee to see if
he could tell.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Unfortunately, the training could not tell, because when I came
back in, they were like, yeah, I felt the head
up there, and in my head, I'm like, yeah, I
like that's what I knew. I knew it's still preach.
But then he just gets the scan and puts it
like right right down below my pelvis and just like
looks at me because on the screen you can just
like so clearly say see the head, like the circle,
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and he's like, well, there's Bub's head.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And it took me a moment to register, and I
just started crying. And I think it was just this
like relief.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean, there's always you know, they can always flip back,
but there was just this immense amount of relief that
I could still hold on to. Okay, I don't have
to right now anyway, still could change. I don't have
to make any like huge decisions. I can just go
with the flow and just see what happens again.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And I was really relieved of that. So, yeah, we'll
see again.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You never know, like I might need to get induced
again or something else could happen.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You never know. But at least I'm not feeling like, oh,
I have to really make a decision now.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, that was a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'm currently, well I say currently, I'm the
last time they checked, I was breach, but I was
doing my final maternity photo shoot and they were like,
do you mind lying on your side? And I was like, oh,
A bit stiff, and I'll try. And I like, even
hearing you describe it, I was on my side and
all of a sudden, my belly just kind of like
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shot like out and I felt like the turn. I think,
I think I'm seeing my OBIM went on Thursday, so
I'll be able to clarify them, but I'm pretty sure
he's turned.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Also, yeah, and if honestly, and I say this because
it happened to me, even if they haven't, there's still
time and it still can And also it.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Can happen like last minute as well. You never know.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
But I know, I know I was exactly where you are.
I know how kind of in your head you get
about it all. How are you feeling about that?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I feel I feel okay. I've been also going to acupuncture.
I have an osteo who's amazing as well, kind of
trying to do all of the things. I've been like
almost doing headstand in front of the TV at night,
So just trying to do all the things. And then
I feel like if I do all of those things
and tick the mask, then at least I can sleep
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easy at night kind of thing. But funnily enough, my
mum I was breach when well I was breach and
the day they told my mom you're having a sea section,
and she kind of got to the point where she
was like, Okay, I want to have a sea section.
Now I'm happy with it. And the day before she
gave birth, I flipped and they're like, you're not having
a sea section anymore. She's like what No, my head
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around that. She just like come to pieces it, and
then she's like, now I need to like retrain everything, yeah,
and get ready for who knows, like what could happen,
Like it can happen. So last minute, like you said
something I wanted to ask you about because I've never
heard anyone talk about this before, but I know it's
super common and pregnant women is pro lapse. Can you
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talk us through just that whole experience, because yeah, I was.
It was cool hearing you even just talk publicly about it,
because I think it's something that people are like, I
don't want to say anything's so ashamed.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, because like at the end of the day, Like, basically,
prolaps is kind of when you're like insides are like
almost outside, so like it is a bit like ecky
to talk about it, but it's for me. It was
important to be open about because it did mean my
return to exercise was like a little different, and I
was really lucky that my degree of prolapse was in
the space where I could just work through some physio
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stuff like internal physio, public floor exercises and everything like
that to get it back to feeling quite normal, Whereas
for some people if it doesn't get if you don't
get a check and it goes unrecognized and it goes
on for too long, it can get worse and worse
and you can have surgery, like you need surgery.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
So I think I was fortunate.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
That I was encouraged to get an internal check because
I didn't even know that was the thing. I thought,
like the GP just said like, yeah, cool, if you're
six weeks postpart you're not bleeding anymore, so like EA's
back into exercise, which I feel most people that is
the case, but because someone's had said like, well no,
especially I think because they knew, like I was pretty
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keen to get back to movement. I mean we had
to shoot like five months postpartum per kick like workouts
and everything that I was trying to prepare my body
for and everything also just being the exercise is a
huge part of my life.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I was so keen to have that back in my routine.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I it was really important to me that I did
it gently and properly, and that I wasn't going to
just like race back into.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It and then actually be injured or like not be
able to do it free for longer. So I had
my internal check had a.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Bladder prolapse, which basically for me, the symptoms were an
immense amount of heaviness feeling, and anyone who had I
think you can even have a lot of these symptoms
even if you've had a cesarean but vaginal birth, Like
it's normal to feel a little bit of heaviness like
after birth when you're like standing up and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
But for me, it was dragging on. It was a
lot heavier, dragging feel.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Unless I was spending most of my day horizontal, it
was pretty like almost painful and uncomfortable. Going to the
toilet was like uncomfortable, Like it generally felt like I
was going to be pushing my insides out, which is
so TMI felt like just wasn't great, and so that
was enough for my normal physio to be like, you
should get an internal check because that heaviness feeling like
probably should have eased off by now, and again I
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just was doing kind of She gave me a number
of different public floor exercises and kind of routines to
stick to and then really gently ease my way back
and into exercise, and I'm really grateful for that information,
and I think that's why I wanted to talk about
it openly, because if you can access that, I really
would suggest everyone go and get checked out, particularly if
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exercise is a big thing for you, because if I
hadn't done that, and I had kind of eased back
into exercise, even if I tried to do it gently
or whatever, it could have been too much and it
could have made it a whole lot worse, which in
the long run wouldn't have been great.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, I think it's so interesting hearing you talk about it,
even just the if anyone is you know, ignant right
now or thinking about being pregnant in the future or
trying to get pregnant, that heaviness feeling. Just to even
know that is so helpful, like even for me just
you know, yeah, den eye.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Out again, an element of it is normal.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, and to be for sure, but it's when.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You start to think like should this have gone by
now or like this is like pretty full on, Like definitely.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I'm still very undecided on whether we are going to
show the baby's face online. It's actually I've not actually
had a conversation with anyone about this really other thing. Michael. Yeah,
but I feel like you're a great person to have
this conversation with because you started with having Harvey's face online.
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You guys now don't have this face online. Can you
just take us through like that process, that mental process.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, So I think to start with, you only know
what you know, right, and like were often naive, I think,
to a lot of what's going on in the world
and stuff like that. And when I first was putting
him online, I certainly wasn't aware of.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Like a lot of risks and stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
But also I was someone who showed every corner of
my life online. Like even for people talking about I
don't know, their mental health was like a no go
zone on their social media.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Is like, that's not what social.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Media is for, Like that's just like putting up photos
going up with my girlfriends or whatever. And I'm referring
to some of my friends who like don't necessarily have
a platform as in a profile or thousands of follows
or anything like that. But everyone shows up really differently online.
But I've always shown up one hundred percent myself, one
hundred percent authentic, Like every corner of my life basically
is online and always has been.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
And so for me, it just didn't It wasn't even
a decision at the start.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I was like, yeah, obviously I'm gonna share my child,
Like I didn't think about it. It was just like he's
a huge part of my life now, so he's.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Gonna be in my content. The further along it went,
the more I.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Understood why people didn't. But I think it wasn't as
scary at the start like it was. It was more
like a personal decision or thing or whatever. But then
more and more you became more aware of the risks
involved and even just like AI and all this scary shit,
and it just started to fee a little bit uncomfortable.
And it just got to this point where I was
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like Also, he was getting to an age, so I
think we stopped when he was about two. He was
getting to an age where he was starting to be
more recognizable like when they're babies, honestly, like every week
they changed. They look so different week to week. And
for me, the flag that woke me up the most
was my mom started like if she was looking after
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him and had him in the pram at a cafe
or whatever, people would recognize him without me even needing
to be there. So like fair enough if they see
me in the street and they're like, oh, that must
be Harvey. But people would see my mom with him
and be like, that's Harvey, that's Steph cles Smith's kid,
and that for me, I was like, that's so not okay.
And like even having even when I was there, having
strangers go up to him and say like.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Hi, Harvey, I'm like, how confusing for this kid, Like
how did he I'd be like, how do you know him?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Like, and I was like, I just that didn't sit
well with me. So that, to be honest, was the
main thing. And then even since then, I've learned even
more about some of the risks and everything of kids
being online. And again I don't want anyone to feel
that if they've decided otherwise that that's wrong. It's really
I think it's down to the family and everyone needs
to make their own decisions. And if you really like
disagree with someone like you just you don't need to
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follow them, You don't need to buy into their life,
like you know whatever. Just like at the end of
the day, I think it's it's their decision, and I
think it's we need to give parents grace as well to.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Change their mind.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Like even if there is people that you follow who
might have been sharing their kids online for eight years
and then suddenly they decide that they don't like I've
seen people get I mean even I've been judged, like
people have been.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like, what a joke you shared him for two years?
Like we all know what he looks like.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm like, so I can't change my mind or like
I can't like flip the way I'm looking at this
or still do what I think is best for my family.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Like that, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Like we all need grace to learn and change and
change our decisions. And so people I've been asking us, like,
you know, are you going to share Bub's face online?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
And I don't think we will.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I think, even though you know, we are about
to go through that stage again where that'll look different
every single week, I think I've found my groove in
being able to share motherhood and Harvey and you know,
my life without his face necessarily having to be a
part of it. And that's just where I feel comfortable now,
and so I think we'll probably do that with bub
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number two, like they're still going to be part of
my content, you know, will I necessarily be putting up
as much.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No when near as much content as I did with Harvey.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I think I was just like, you get this like
immense amount of pride around this being that you're like,
oh my god, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Obsessed with you.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I want the whole entire well to know it and
like see you because you're the cutest thing that ever existed.
So I think I'm a little bit more like I've
got a bit of hindsight from the first time in
doing that and maybe going a bit overboard.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
With how much I was sharing him.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
But yeah, I think if you're on the phone about it,
I think that's okay too, and that's totally normal, and
you've just got to figure out what feels right for you, guys,
and even if it means you do start and then
you decide not to, like, just give yourself grace.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
To work out what you feel comfortable with. Everyone is
really different.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's literally the point that we're
on at the moment, where we're like, but babies change
all the time, and you know, there's this evolution of
what they're eventually going to look like, and it looks
nothing like when they were a baby. It also upsets
me that people feel so entitled that they have an
opinion when you've changed your mind, Like that's none of
(42:35):
their business. And I think people need to respect the
fact that you can change your mind time if you
wanted to tomorrow, you can post Harvey, and that's your prerogative.
It's your child. So yeah, I'm sorry that people are
so judgmental sometimes.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
I mean, unfortunately, that is the hardest part I think
with mothering with a public profile, is that there are
so many polarizing opinions in parenthood. Whether you co sleep
or not, whether you bottlefeed or not, with your formula
feed or not, like all of that, whether you send
them to daycare or you stay at home, Like there
(43:10):
are so many polarizing opinions. You are not going to
please everyone with your decisions, and it can make it
really hard, particularly first time around, in like listening to
your intuition and your gut and actually figuring out what
feels right for your family when you have like thousands
of opinions coming at you being.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Like, no, no, this is what you need to do.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
So, you know, just give yourself again some grace with
some of those decisions that you guys are going to
be making together, because unfortunately that comes with it.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
And I think what's wild is it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
There's things that I remember before being a mum myself
that I definitely judged mums for, and like now I think,
going through it and trying a lot of different things,
I'm like, you do whatever fuck you want with your kid,
Like whatever gets you through, whatever makes you survive and
have a happy life, Like I mean, obviously as long as.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's within reason.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
But yeah, I should go without saying, but yeah, I
feel like I've got so much more appreciation for like
how hard some of those decisions and like figuring that
out can be that, you know, the thoughts that I
had before having Harvey being like, oh, such a go
with the flow person, like I will never have some
regimented sleep routine that like stops us from like I
(44:23):
don't know, going to dinner at night or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
They'll just like live and work with us.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
And some people do make that work, mind you, but man,
I became anal with this.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's just un laughing because this is me. It's thought dinner.
It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Stage just where you will be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
And if if I could say anything, if you feel
well and up for it, get out as much as
you can in the newborn stage, like because although enjoy
the bubble, but when you have felt like if you
enjoyed your bubble and like, now okay, you want to
do some life stuff. It's really only until like three
or four months old where they start to become a
(45:04):
little bit more aware of their surroundings and you've got
to kind of consider more things like for their sleep
or like are they getting enough sleep or have we
got some sort of routine. Until then, they just like
they just eat and sleep and they can do that anywhere.
So like if I could have, we were in lockdown,
so I couldn't. I probably would have done more in
that time, because then there's a period where it does
(45:25):
get a little bit harder.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Again, some people still do it.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I've had friends who like, honestly are camping every second
weekend and they've their kids have just been able to
do that with them, and hats off to them. Whether
you choose to go down the routine root or.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Not is up to you. But yeah, it's just it's
just funny how different my perspective is since.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Being Yeah, for sure, and I already know, like even
just like having this podcast. It's just that this podcast
started because I just wanted to learn, and I was like,
I'm going to learn anyway, so I might as well
do it with everyone, and just but I already know,
like some of the things that I think i'd I'm
just going to be like, oh Anna, I'm going to
(46:03):
listen back and be like, oh I fhly, but.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You know what them because you never.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Know, you never know. We'll keep a little bit of hope.
Well it's your favorite thing about being a mum.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I feel like I'm the best version of myself and
the worst at times. I will say, when your patience
is tested and you're sleep deprived and everything like that,
I can really show myself like how yeah, I'm like,
oh my god, I do not like that side. But
it's also been incredible for I think self growth and
appreciation and self awareness and everything. So I genuinely think
(46:36):
I'm the best person I've ever been and I'm the
most proud of myself for who i am since being
a mum.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I think just like having this being that relies on you.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
So much, and there is this huge responsibility in how
you bring them into the world and how they are
as a human, Like there's something so beautiful. It's heavy,
but there's something so beautiful in that as well that
just makes me feel really proud of myself. And yeah,
it's kind of hard to compare. There's nothing in my
life that I could compare to that has given me
(47:07):
this like this level of appreciation for myself, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm hormonal, Okay, Steph. Thank you so much for coming
on the podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure. I've taken
so much out of this conversation personally, and I know
that our listeners will get a lot out of it,
So thank you so much. And also you have kick Bump.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, and also like if anyone's interested,
I'll set up a pre month code, maybe pop it
in the show notes. Yeah whatever, absolutely, But yeah, we've
got basically since I had Harvey been able to really
connect with my community of pre and postpartum mums, there
was a lot out there, especially in the fitness and
wellness space that kind of like what we've touched on
today sounded so polarizing or so regimented that just didn't
(47:58):
make sense to me because everyone's experience is so different.
So what we've tried to do is just make movement
a lot more approachable in those phases and just give
back to yourself and not worry about what you look
like more so easy to exercise when you're ready postpartum
and stuff. And so we've got programs and content and
everything in the app that i'd love for you guys
to check out if that's the phase of life that
you're in. But yeah, maybe we'll we'll make the code,
(48:23):
wy ba, maybe I'll make it.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
We'll put in the show notes, whatever it's going to be,
figure it out. See if you enjoy it. If you do,
like that means.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
A well, sounds incredible, I'll put that in the show
notes for you guys. It will be w y b A.
Why Bert came up with it, so we have to
go with it now. And again, thank you. I really
appreciate you coming in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
I'm so excited for you. Thank you. Howl out.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh my god, I know so like, yeah, it's just
a crazy time in your life, isn't it. Thank you
and I'll talk to you so bye. Mhm.
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