January 6, 2026 • 51 mins
Sarah Grace Patrick is accused of murdering her mother and stepfather while they were asleep in their bed, leaving their bodies to be discovered by the couple's five-year-old daughter. The trial was schedule to begin yesterday, January 5, 2026, but has now been delayed until August awaiting a report from a forensic neuropsychologist who evaluated the teen over several visits in August 2025. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack break down the scene of the crime, trajectory of bullets and sound...is it possible shots were fired in the home but not heard by a 16-year-old? Also, the long, "crying without tears" eulogy of the now accused teen.
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.03 Introduction - Sarah Grace Patrick
00:53.56 Rural Geography - Double homicide
04:12.36 Blended Family with a past
07:11.46 A person's past follows them around
09:57.18 James Brock - Victim had a VLAD
15:08.86 5-year-old finds parents bodies in their bed, sister Sarah Grace Patrick calls 911
16:52.09 Sarah tells 911 bodies cold to the touch, no need for CPR
20:34.55 House is small
25:01.27 Weapon used in small house, but Sarah says she didn't hear anything
30:02.20 16-year-old accused of the murders
35:12.47 Cause of death will state which gun shot wound was fatal
39:57.98 Months between murders and arrest of Sarah Grace Patrick
45:04.02 LVAD would show when heart stopped beating
50:11.23 Gunshot residue and trajectory of bullets
51:46.78 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body diets. But Joseph's gotten more.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know, there are certain states around the country where
you can't really figure out where one ends and the
other begins. I've been to a lot of those locations,
and no words were ever truer regarding the boundaries between
rural Georgia and rural Alabama.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
There is a road that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Drifts off into the west, coming out of the town
or around the area of Carrollton, Georgia, heads for the
Georgia Alabama border. And look, if you cross the border
from one state and to the other, you couldn't really
tell where, you know, if you were still in one
state as opposed to the other. But you know, sometimes
on those lonely roads like that, some of the most
(00:56):
intriguing and curious cases happen. And that's kind of a
comment toward people that think only cool cases are really
interesting cases happen in big cities because they don't today
on body bags. I want to offer a comment on
a case that has happened in one such location, in
(01:18):
a little town that's not really on a map. It's unincorporated.
The name of the town is called tis Tis, Georgia,
and along this stretch of roadway bordered by pulpwood pines.
A double homicide has taken place, and a young woman
(01:43):
is about to go on trial. She's been accused of
the murder of both her mother and her stepfather. I'm
Joseph gott Morgan and this is body Bags. You know,
(02:05):
Dave in saying what I had just commented on the opening,
It's amazing how many people will say they hear about
some kind of horrible crime and it happens in some
far forlong rural area and they'll say, I just can't
believe that happened here. And my answer to that is
(02:27):
the fact is that humans are humans no matter.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Where you go.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's just that you get a tighter concentration of things,
a greater frequency in you know, in large urban areas.
But violence persist everywhere you go, or the potential, let
me put it to you that way, the potential for
violence and horror and all those sorts of things, and
no more so than in the case of the accused
(02:56):
Sarah Grace Patrick that we're talking about today. Brother.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know, when this story first broke, it got a
lot of attention, you know, from a lot of different sources.
You and I talked about it We talked about it
on several different shows because it is one of those
things that you look at and go how, you know
how and what went on because you actually have a
(03:20):
behind closed door story here. You know you've got a
you have a blended family, and blended families, blended families
at their best are odd. You know they really are,
because you never know the inner workings oftentimes, and this
is I don't know that this is the case here,
(03:41):
but you know, whenever you have a parent, biological mom, stepparent, yep,
you know, biological father, there are going to be issues.
Even under the best of circumstances, there will be issues.
But as a child, and you and I both know
this on a personal level being raised in that environment,
(04:03):
a lot of times as a child, you suck it
up for the sake of peace in the family. You
don't say things that you would normally, that you would
say if they were both your biological mom and dad.
And the same is true with them. They treat things
much to it. It's just a different thing because everybody
is protecting everyone else, it seems.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You kind of divide up into these camps and listen,
I got to tell you personally, I grew up in
the environment, and as an adult, I'm part of the
environment as well. You know, Kim and I. You know,
we've got a blended family. And it's it's not just
that dynamic that you're in the household with day in
(04:45):
and day out. It's also that added ingredient of all
the external stressors that come about with exes and all
those sorts of things. And they're the exes extended family
and you know who thinks this about this? And you know,
all that sort of stuff, That dynamic and it's a
weird kind of kind of circumstance. And then when you
(05:06):
have a child born into the environment that is becomes
a half half.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, it's that dynamic is so incredibly bizarre. And then
you throw on top of it teenage hood, uh into
that environment. You know. Uh, My my wife taught. My
wife taught middle school for for years and years, and
(05:36):
she she used to say, you will never come across
creature on the face of planet. That's that's more trying
of the soul, uh than a middle grade girl era.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she would say, you know, boys
are just boys.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know, they're going to tear stuff up they're gonna
flimbal stuff, They're gonna do stupid things. But and you know,
I don't know. It's an interesting dynamic. It certainly is.
But Dave, I've never we cover a lot of stuff.
I don't recall a case like this that has come
to this level of violence where you've got a well
(06:21):
she was a child at the time, sixteen, that was
sixteen years old, that is being accused of something that
is this heinous man.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well this Jamie and Kristen Brock were Actually they were
the poster parents for blended families. A lot of people
looked up to them. Now they have in their history
like we all do, dancing skeletons in the closet. And
(06:51):
I will tell you that it's difficult to get past
your past if you keep holding onto it. You know,
you have to put it in a You got to
leave the past where it belongs and move on on.
The problem is that not everybody can do that, especially
and you mentioned it the extended family of the blended family.
And so if you did something when you were a
(07:12):
twenty five year old man, and now it's fifteen years later,
you're forty and you've cleaned up your acts, You've got
a great job and a great family. You're respected in
the community and in church. You're very active and volunteering
for everything. Somebody's still going to say, yeah, but I
remember when I remember when you were twenty five, Dave,
and you got naked at that company Christmas party and
(07:34):
you were making photocopies of.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Your genitals look for everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and Mary time you got your cookup of stuff
of your nose.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, I'm there.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean that you always have that, and so in
this case we have some of that going on. But
I pulled up one of the first reports that we
did on this on Nancy Grace, and this is what
I said. Jamie Brock and Kristen Brock are the couple
other family members look up to. They're a blended family,
each having children from other relationships Kristin. Kristin's sixteen year
(08:02):
old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, is living in the home
as Jamie and Kristen welcome their own little girl, completing
the yours mine in our scenario. Through all their happiness,
the Brocks have a dark cloud hanging over their heads.
Jamie Brock, known for his big heart full of love,
also happens to have a weak heart and needs a
transplant soon if he wants to see his children grow up.
(08:26):
Waiting on a heart transplant doesn't slow Jamie down. His
son Tristan says most people don't even know that his
father has an Elvad device LVAD. It's a mechanical pump
that is implanted to support a failing heart's left ventricle.
It's used as a bridge to a transplant, and Jamie
(08:47):
Brock is hoping he gets a transplant soon. He's forty
five years old. Joe, talk to me about what that
means in his life, having that device.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, he's saddled, you know, And I take exception to
the idea that no one would know he has to
literally carry around a packet with him everywhere he goes,
or be plugged in to a monitor. And that comes
into play here as well. In this particular case. You know,
you've got this thing that you are boat anchor to
(09:15):
forever and ever, you know, dependent upon the opportunity to
have access to a heart, a viable heart that's going
to pair up with you. The left ventricle of the
heart does a tremendous amount of work, and so that
heart wall gets weakened, right, and so you have to
have this LVAD that stimulates the heart. That the term
(09:40):
LVAD actually stands for left ventricular assist device. So it
effectively works in the sense that it's it has to
be surgically implanted, okay, to assist the left ventricle, and
it's going to to prompt the heart to continue to
(10:03):
function appropriately. And the thing about it is is that
without this you would be I don't know, have you
ever heard the term, dave? Have you ever heard the
term end stage? It's a medical term, Okay, So some
people get it confused with in staate I in state.
(10:24):
In the case of an ELVAD, this is indicative of
somebody that is without it. They are in end E
n D stage all over. Yeah, it's all over, but
the crime. So he, you know, he kind of walks
around with this hanging over there. Can you imagine walking
around day to day with a reminder of your frailty,
(10:46):
you know at that age, Yeah, you know, you're and
you know, we're talking about a guy that's not ancient
by any years old. Joe's forty five, and you know
he's he's out living life, and you know, you always
have this remained reminder, you know, kind of hanging around always,
(11:07):
and there's always that sound of the monitor no matter
where you go. It's really hard to escape.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
There's an interesting thing written here, Joe. By the way,
the reason we're covering the story of Sarah Grace Patrick today.
The trial was scheduled to begin Monday, January fifth, but
they were waiting on one very specific report, and they
being the prosecution and the defense, and they didn't get
(11:34):
that report before the Christmas holiday break, and when they
had the they actually had a court meeting the first
or second week of December, and the judge said, hey,
is everybody right. It's a really truncated timetable here. I
mean we're talking about they arrested her in July, Sarah
Grace Patrick. They arrested her for the double homicide of
her mom and stepfather, And here we are six months
(11:57):
later less and they're saying, yeah, we're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And well, I got to tell you this is kind
of interesting, David. This is something I don't that you
don't normally see with frequency. The judge in this particular
case has been very aggressive, like he's staying with what
has been termed as an aggressive timeline moving forward and
(12:23):
one of the one of the fascinating things about this case,
and it's kind of drawn me to it. I literally
drive through this area with great frequency because my grandchildren
live over in Georgia, so I have to pass through
this area. And for any of you guys that followed
me on Instagram and you know those things like that,
(12:44):
you'll see that I am absolutely totally in love with
my grandchildren. And right now we're coming off holidays. I've
got baby brain right now. Welcome, welcome, rest right now.
They'll be going back to school soon. Anyway, I digress. Yeah,
you know, it really captured my imagination. Because this case
(13:08):
they have not released a tremendous amount of information. However,
I will tell you this. It happened in Carroll County, Georgia.
And the thing about it is is that it's not
merely the Carroll County Sheriff's Office that's investigating this case.
(13:33):
It's also the GBI and the FBI. They've you know,
(13:55):
in this case out there on that stretch of road.
This is not something that you would that you're going
to see. I mean, it's so and the thing about it,
you know, how I talked about concentration. Many times violence
seems a location seems more violent. I think a lot
(14:16):
of it has to do with population density. And when
I say you go through this area, you can go
a mile and not see a house. Wow, all right,
And it's that sparsely, you know, populated. There's not a
lot of concentration. So the idea that something like this
(14:36):
that has occurred in this location is it must be
because this is.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
A real rural area.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
When you drive through its pasture lands, some of the prettiest,
prettiest countryside you've ever seen. You're driving through there and
you've got cows and you've got horn, you know, and
stuff like this just doesn't happen out there, or it
seems like it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because there's
not this huge concentration of population. But Dave, I got
to tell you, how did kind of run it down
(15:07):
to us about how all this came about and people
became aware of it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, back to the geography. I always think of
traveling light from Atlanta to Birmingham on I twenty yeah,
straight shot, and you know, this is one of those areas.
As you arrived from Alabama into Georgia. You know, you've
got Carrollton. That's one of the first Tallapoosa Carrollton. And
(15:32):
so that's why I was wondering how that affected you
and your driving back and forth to Georgia, you know,
in that area. But on the morning of February twentieth,
and I'm talking about twenty twenty five. Again, this is
something that is so recent, it has not even been
a year.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And again back to the judge aggressive tomline.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Lady, Okay, I do have a question for you about
that in how it impacts you and what you do.
But February twentieth, early morning, five year old daughter of
Jamie and Kristen Brocken goes to her parents bedroom to
wake them up. Now that's her mom and dad. Remember
how we talked about blended family yours mine hours. She
(16:13):
goes into their bedroom to wake them up because they're
usually up, and they're not. And when she goes to
her parents bedroom, what she sees is enough to make
her run away from the bedroom. Her sixteen year old sister,
Sarah Grace Patrick, grabs her in hey, what's going on,
(16:36):
goes and looks and immediately calls nine one one. What
the five year old discovered was her mother and father
dead in their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On
the phone with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the
dispatcher the bodies are cold to the touch. Passed the
need to do CPR because that is the first thing
(16:58):
the nine one one operator wants.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
To do, yeap. That is, they want to know, can
you do CPR?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And they'll talk you through it, and they're pretty persistent
about that about doing it, and which we've seen on
a number of occasions Joseph Scott Morgan where a suspect
in a crime I didn't really do it, you know,
or didn't give it there all, which is fascinating to
me when you're talking about a loved one that anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So well, hey, look he immediately had an immediate recall
on Ellen.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yep, that's what I was thinking about, you know, where.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh my god, she's got a knife, you know, and
he's asking all these questions, you know, because nine one
one operator at that point in time up there in
that case up in Philly, you know she didn't. This
is not some big mystery. At that point, they're trying
to save the person's life and so you're going to
be asking the caller can you do nine one one?
(17:53):
And it's interesting, you know that she would, you know,
have the presence of mind to say that the other
they're cold, they're cold. I found that, you know, kind
of kind of fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department on the scene within minutes,
began looking over the scene, and you know that doesn't
there's no sign of a forced entry. There is a
door that does seem a bit a jar. But investigators
spent all day at the home, coming over the evident,
at the residents, looking for any evidence. They spoke to neighbors,
(18:27):
and they looked at surveillance videos. The home ends up
surrounded by police cruisers. It's all roped off because they
don't know what they're looking at. They know, think about it.
The five year old discovered the bodies of her parents,
and the sixteen year old daughter called police. Now there
(18:47):
is one tip here, Joe. And it's interesting because you know,
I said at the beginning that the family, this is
a family that people looked up to, you know, because
of how they had been able to blend their families
and the relationships between Sarah Grace Patrick and her mom
and stepfather. Well, after this happened, a few things came out.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
One was, prior.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
To any of this stuff happening, Jamie Brock actually was
talking to his niece, Kristen Dowda, and Kristen was going
on and on about how wonderful she thought Sarah was,
you know, as a sixteen year old girl, and what
a great job you know, Jamie had done, you know,
(19:42):
with her. And Jamie actually tells Kristen Dowda that Sarah
is not what she seems to be, not what she
appears to be to everybody else. He actually tells his
favorite niece, you don't see what I see. You don't
live in the home with her. So fast forward to
(20:02):
this taking place. Kristin Dauda, the niece, remembers that cool. Yeah.
So police are looking over the crime scene and they've
got the investigators trying to figure out what could it
possibly happened? Yeah, and now we've got Kristen data saying, hey,
she that Sarah Grace Patrick might not be the person
(20:25):
she appears to be.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, Well I got to tell you I've seen I
don't know if you had an opportunity day I was
on Court TV with Vinnie Politan. I don't know how
long ago, it was maybe months so ago, because they
were they knew that this case was coming up, and
Vinnie brought me on to talk about it. I got
(20:47):
to see the images of the house and exterior images,
and they may have had a floor plan too.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
What did you think of it when you saw the.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Exterimey time, Well, it's its need. It's not you know,
or anything like that. It looks like it may have
had an add on in the backside. It's kind of
it's it's typical of.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
A rural home, a little home.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
This is no mansion. I can't imagine that this thing
is any larger than maybe eighteen hundred square feet perhaps.
And so you've got mom, dad, You've got a sixteen
year old, and you've got at the time a five
year old, you know, living in this house. I don't
know about you, but you know, if you hear things,
(21:38):
you know when you live in proximity to one. There's
nothing that's private in any of these environments. And what
has always fascinated I say, always like it's gone on
for a long long time. This is you know, from
twenty twenty five But what really caught my ear, and
no pun intended here, was the fact that this young
(22:01):
lady says that she didn't hear any gunshots during the night,
and Dave, this is you're talking about from the way
we have heard it. Hell is being unleashed in this room,
right okay.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And you know my.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
First thought was, okay, well, if she's not involved with it,
which they have accused her of being involved in it,
did someone come in with a suppressed weapon and who
would target a middle aged couple, including a man that is,
(22:38):
as we've already established, is infirmed to the point where
he has to walk around with this ELVAD on where
he will die if he does not have this thing on.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He presents no real threat.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I can't I can't imagine, you know, I don't know.
I didn't know the man personally. I never was face
to face with him to have you know, conversation with him.
Generally with if you require an LVAD, there's a bit
of fatigue, you know, that kind of comes about, as
you can imagine, if the thing is not sufficient to
(23:10):
the task, and also if there's any other kind of
external you know, medical conditions that you might have that
you know, that it gets more and more complicated. So
the point is is that I cannot see this guy
being a threat, but it sounds you know, because they
keep using the term multiple gunshot wounds, and again me,
(23:32):
I'm thinking, well, this automatically goes to this is a
semi automatic weapon that has been used in this particular case.
If they are both in the bedroom, which it sounds
like they are, I don't really know, and they haven't
released this information. When we think about what's referred to
as positionality, you know, the that can refer to two
(23:55):
separate things in forensics. Position if you've got multiple victims,
position is relationship between two victims. And I'm talking about
physical in a physical sense when you're observing the crime scene,
and then you can have positionality relative to the perpetrator,
the alleged perpetrator, as the shooter, you know, what was
(24:15):
their position relative to the victim or the intended targets.
So you're in a confined space. You've got this weapon
that's going off multiple times. And for those of you
that have never out there, that have never heard the
report of let's just pick out a standard caliber, a
(24:38):
nine to millimeter weapon that goes off in a small,
confined space. If you ever get a chance to go
to an indoor firing range and you're on the shooting
line with people, I wouldn't recommend this, but if you're
in there and you don't have on your hearing protection,
(24:58):
you get a sense of what it's like inside of
an environment that's closed in when a weapon goes off.
Just think about being in a tiny house and a
weapon goes off multiple times. You're talking about with a
non suppressed weapon. You're talking about repeated thunderclaps that would
(25:20):
come in really tight succession to one another. It is
enough to wake anybody up. What's fascinating is that when
she gave statement, Sarah Grace Patrick, she stated that she
did not hear gunshots, and that brings me to the
(25:44):
five year old. Did the five year old hear gunshots?
And we don't know. We know that the child has
been interviewed, and it's really amazing what you can glean
from a five year old. I mean, they don't hold
back most of the time. If they know something, they're
going to say something most of the time. If you
have the right person in there conducting the interview with them,
(26:07):
and they'll tell you you know, God's honest truth about
what you know. Gee, I woke up and you know,
and I found mommy and Daddy deceased. Or yeah, I
heard something scary last night. Okay, you heard something scary
last night. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
What was that was?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
What was so scary about it? And then I was
so afraid I didn't get back up out of it.
I didn't get out of the bed. I just stayed
in bed. So we don't really know what that dynamic
is like at this point in time. Another interesting piece
to this because Dave, you know, there's no signs of
forced entry at this scene, no signs of forced entry
(26:45):
at the scene. You've got this door that is unsecured.
I think Sarah Patrick's biological father took a picture of
the door, if I'm not mistaken, someone in her camp
to picture of the door and posted it out there.
And when you see it, now, you know you can't
(27:07):
look at a picture and say, well, mechanically I can
state that this was forced forced entry or this is
the condition of the door, all right, which is an
interesting thing in forensics we have to do. And just
let me break this down for you. When you when
you show up at a scene. You always have to
understand that people's normal way of living is not necessarily
(27:32):
your normal.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Way of living.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Okay, so I've been to I've been to scenes. I've
been to scenes Dave where I would walk in and
I would say, this place is a pigsty.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's horrible.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I can't tell the difference. It was there actually a
struggle in here, or is this the normal way that
they're living. And I'm not saying that that was the
condition of the interior of their house. What I'm saying,
is this lock in particular, or this door, if it
is compromised in some way, maybe it's been like that
for a long long time.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Did somebody jimmy the lock in some way? Did somebody
arrange it so that they could get access to it?
How easy is it to defeat this lock? Did they
commonly leave it locked or did they commonly.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Leave it open? You know?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
What's the old adage about? Yeah, well, I remember growing
up in a place where we always kept the doors unlocked,
you know, so it's hard to stay you know, now
what may have been the status of that door. But
there's a lot of evidence at the scene in regards
to the door. Also the idea of going back into
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the bedroom and the they're talking about multiple gunshot woundes,
so that means we've got multiple casings. There's going to
be casings everywhere at the scene, and their distribution doesn't
really play into this because you can't predict casing is
going to bounce. What's going to be interesting is to
(29:03):
try to understand the trajectory of the rounds. But the casings.
The casings can in fact give you an indication of
obviously the caliber of the weapon. The projectiles can give
you a ballistic fingerprint about the weapon. But here's the problem.
(29:23):
At this point, there ain't no weapon, Dave. One of
the more troubling as if there's not a lot already,
one of the more troubling aspects of this case is
(29:46):
that they allegedly have not found a weapon. And my
thought was this ought to be easy. When I first
heard about the case, and before I knew that bit,
my thought was, well, this is a sixteen year old.
(30:09):
They're accusing her, They're saying she did it. How does
a sixteen year old get access to the semi automatic handgun? Now,
I know it happens all over the place, but that's
a big reveal. It's not like a sixteen year old
is going to walk into a gun store and say, yeah,
I want that pink nine milimeter that you have there,
you know, because those do exist. They I've also seen
(30:31):
them in turquoise. You can get turquoise non milimeters. Come on,
that's there, you go. But you know, that's a big
piece that when you agree, Dave, it's like, how do
you get access to this? And so I'm always thinking,
you know, is it a familial connection? Did the family
keep guns inside the house. My understanding is that, as
(30:56):
much as I hate to say this, I think dad
was convicted fell I don't think he could have weapons.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Is that correct? Yeah? And that's fun.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I was talking earlier about our past, you know, and
many of us make decisions as we grow up that
don't necessarily reflect the person we are now, but cause
us problems. It happens, and so I go to the
(31:25):
I go to this end of it. We're in an
area in the southeastern part of the United States of
America where having guns is not that big of a deal,
and almost all of us have guns, but we have areas.
I mean, we live in a rural environment, our most
congested area. For people who live in Chicago, New York, LA.
(31:48):
You know, our most congested area is your most rural area. Okay,
it's really a different lifestyle. So guns to me are
just different that were raised around them. Now I have
a question for you, though, Joe, and we've got a
couple of them, because during the holidays, you've been on
Fox News and you have been quoted as saying talking
(32:09):
about the world of digital forensics and how it plays
into solving crimes. And there are a couple of things
here about this case that I'm hoping you can delve
into for me because Sarah grayce Patrick sixteen years old
at the time of this now seventeen, spends a lot
of time on social media, specifically TikTok, and she has
(32:31):
posted a lot of information beyond that. We also have
a real red flag from her eulogy in the days
after the murders took place. And there's something else I
have to ask you, though, We'll come to those, all Right.
(32:52):
At the crime scene, you've got two dead bodies in
a bed. So the assumption I make is that they
were asleep when they were shot. I'm making that assumption
only because they said they being law enforcement, said they
were found in the bed. We know that Jamie Brock
is mechanically tied to the ELVAD for his heart, so
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if somebody were to come in and kill them, we
know that it was sometime between the time the little
girl went to bed that night before and the time
she wakes up the next morning to about the five
year old who found them in that area here and
they were cold to the touch. Yes, according to Sarah
Grace Patrick on the nine one one call, all right,
(33:38):
they're found in bed shot to death. You mentioned trying
to find the angle of bullets, to the trajectory of
the bullets and figuring this out. But Joe, if somebody's
laying in bed on their side and they are shot,
causing their body to move. So I'm laying on my
(34:03):
right hand side, left towards the ceiling, and I get
shot in the chest and it rolls me over and
I get shot again, and now it hits me in
the chest. You know, how are you going to determine
a which one will came first and the trajectory Where
was the shooter standing?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh wow, Okay, that's an I didn't see that coming.
That's an excellent question. Trajectory itself is well, first off,
let's go to order. You can't. You can't tell order.
There's no way you can't tell order with gunshot wounds,
with with stab ones, you just can't. I mean, I
(34:44):
think that people think that we can, but we really can't.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
We're fascinated with that too, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Really are, because people want to know, you know, particularly
if you've got multiple gunshot wounds and you've got because
in autopsy report, when you read the autopsy report or
they'll lay it out pretty succinctly, not in the in
the listing, like the actual granular listing of the gunshot wounds,
but they'll go if you look at the cause of death,
(35:13):
they will state in the cause of death most of
the time, depending upon how thorough the forensic pathologists is,
which gunshot wound is actually the coup to gras, okay,
the fatal one, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Trajectory that's interesting because it's rather it's very dynamic, not
as dynamic in a bed as it is say, for instance,
out on the street if somebody's kind of dancing and
you've got somebody walking around doing what's called slicing the pie,
which is where you're firing and you're having to it's
not really slicing the pie, but you're you're having to
(35:46):
adjust because people don't stay static mostly and if they
see a weapon, they're going to duck and all this
stuff and how much of a reaction would there have
been with them, because I've seen people that take the
first shot and they don't move from that position. They'll
get shot in the chest, they'll get shot in the head,
(36:08):
and then subsequent you know, rounds are fired into their body.
What's really interesting is you can actually kind of see
movement of a body if you've got like when you
put the trajectory rods through the gunshot wounds, you can
see I've seen cases where we've used rods where people
look like porcupines, you know, where literally you've got multiple
(36:32):
rods sticking out of the body and you look at
this and you think, oh my lord, this is really
really intensely dynamic. You know, person's moving about or the
perpetrator is moving about. The other interesting thing, too, is
the height ratio. Okay, you know, when you begin to
(36:52):
think if you've got some towering dude that walks in, Okay,
you've got some big burly guy that's you know, six six',
two all, right and he's holding a weapon and he
fires into somebody that's lying in front of. Him that
that relationship is completely different than a sixteen year old.
(37:12):
Girl and forgive, ME i don't know her. Height let's
just say she's five to. Four you, know that kind
of skews skews from what you would think with a grown. Man,
Okay So i'd like to know when THE, gbi AND
i think that if you were asking me who handled
it at the, Scene i'd say THE gbi responded out,
(37:34):
There probably The Georgia bureau Of investigation and their crime
scene reconstructionists came out, there and they would have painstakingly
gone through that case with a fine tooth, comb pulling,
trajectories taking a look at the position of the. Bodies
these bodies probably would not have been removed from the
(37:55):
scene real quickly because when they see this, DAY i
can tell you the, investigators when they see, this they're
going to. Think they're going to think this is so
far out of bounds that we've really got to take
our time with. This this is an execution style. Event
(38:15):
and they're also they're knowing they're going to have to
watch their p's and q's with. THIS i would think
that the level of intensity out there to collective and.
Not we have to understand that when you've got two people,
dead it's not one. Case if you look at it
from the perspective of lives being. Taken you've got two separate. Cases.
(38:36):
Here now it's the same, event but you've got two separate.
Cases you, know you've got to count, here and you've
got to count here and, so and then you compile
all this and you have to. Worry it gets, really really.
Complex the more bodies you add on to this, thing
the more. Complex that's, why you, know if we have
like a mass shooting, event, okay people think, that well
(38:56):
you got a mass, shooting just walk in and he's.
No every dead body that you have that's an individual
count and you have to, well you have to give
them their. Due you, know everybody's equal under the, law.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
RIGHT i remember you pleading it to, me AND i
was shocked at the amount of. Work And i'm not
diminishing anything about the human beings associated with a mass,
fatality BUT i remember you were talking about one In,
birmingham and you were talking about the number of casualties
and the number of cases and the number of because
you've got to know where did this person, die when
did they, die how did they, Die and it's not
(39:31):
just that, one but it's everybody. Else and in this,
case we do have two people dead in the, bed
but we don't. Know we don't have enough information, yet we.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Don't you AND, i, well it would, Seem, dave that
according to what you had said, earlier we do have
some information or we have some insight into what was
going on With Sarah Grace patrick relative to her. Electronics.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Man you, know it's interesting that in the time AFTER
i remember this happened In, february and between the time
of the double homicide and the time That Sarah Grayce
patrick was, arrested it was, Months, joe it wasn't. Days,
months and it was an unsolved double. Homicide And Sarah Grace, patrick,
(40:18):
well first things, first at the funeral, service the celebration
of life or whatever you want to call, It Sarah
Grace patrick delivered a very long. Eulogy and this is
not a videotaped presentation like many are these, days BUT
i did see it because somebody at the funeral actually
(40:39):
got a video on their cell phone Of sarah Grayce patrick's,
eulogy And i'm going to tell you. What man watching
it multiple times and then looking at the reaction of family,
members this eulogy is a huge red.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Flag.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Joe you KNOW i Mentioned Christa, Douda Kristen, douda or
the niece Of. Jamie she sat in the front road
during the service and says that even Though Sarah Grace
patrick sounds like she's crying during the course of this,
eulogy very long, eulogy there are no. Tears sounds like
(41:17):
it sounds like she's, crying but there are no. Tears
and then Then Joseph Scott morgan at the, end she,
Says i'm. Sorry, now many people saw that as an
admission that she was. Sorry she, Says i'm.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Okay NOW i don't know that there could be so
many things that that would. Mean but here we have
is this is in the days following the. Murders now
we're talking about as the days go, by there is no,
arrest And sarah Grayce patrick takes to TikTok because, well
there's no attention being placed on this double, homicide and
(41:57):
she's reaching out to people. Online she's reaching out to cry,
people people who do reporting on TikTok and what have,
you trying to get. Attention she's seeking. Attention Joseph Scott.
Morgan the now seventeen year Old sarah Grayce patrick doesn't
want this case to go. Away she needs the, attention
and that is another red flag for many.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
People, yeah it all depends on.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Often to the world of, attorneys it all depends on
how you frame. Attention AND i can tell you in this,
trial this is going to be a big issue. HERE
i can see it, coming you, know fifty miles. Away
they're going to look at this and they're going to
want to, know, well she's being the good daughter, here you,
know come and look at my mom and my stepdad's double.
(42:48):
Homicide that's not getting. Attention or she, can AS i have,
seen she can get on social media with a miscarra
holding down her, face WHICH i never. Understand that's a
very personal. Thing why do people do? THAT i Don't
i've never understood. That it's it's your. World you do
(43:11):
what you got to, do but just kind of open,
weeping you, know, purging you, know and there's imagery of
her doing that, well let's just say you're trying to
set something up to make it appear in a particular.
Way and nowadays that's easy to, do you, know on you,
(43:31):
know on on social. Media, RIGHT i could go stand
in front Of Evander holfield's former home over over In,
georgia you, know which is, massive AND i could, say,
yeah this is my. Crib you. Know it's, like, no it.
Ain't i'm just out here with a, camera you. Know
and how much more so when you get into the
(43:51):
detail about this and this this weird thing that's going
on where she's reaching out to. People so one of
the QUESTIONS i think at trial is going to, be,
well what does this? MEAN i don't, know BUT i
do know. THIS i know that social media and electronic
media are going to play a major role in this
(44:15):
relative to relative to what she did at any particular,
time was she having contact with anybody? Else and let
me tell, YOU i didn't address. THIS i completely. Forgot
you know what else is going to play a role
in this that is? Electronic is THAT elvad? Machine oh?
(44:35):
Wow AND i think the reason is is that she
had claimed at one point in time she heard his
alarm going off multiple times through the, night WHICH i
think this alarm is really.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Loud.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Wow and if this thing is monitoring his heart and
he's hooked up to, It, dave there's going to be
a like an electronic footpri as to when his heart stopped.
Beating let that sink in just for a. Second you
talk about silent witness to this. Thing that's going to
(45:12):
be interesting because in the case we might ACTUALLY i
guess the forensic pathologists can. Testripe but wouldn't it be
cool if if you had, to if they brought in
a cardiologist to talk about this? Machine and this is
a science geek coming out of, me all, RIGHT i
know that you had a cardiologist, come you, know come
(45:32):
and talk, about you, know how does an albad? Work
and what can we actually? Tell can you tell by
using this? Device can you tell when heart stoppage? Occurs you,
know when they went into a critical? Mode oh here's the, Thing.
Dave can you tell was death's? Sudden you? Know by
virtue of the heart? Rhythm you. Know can you see
(45:54):
where the heart begins to kind of taper off here
and he finally slips off and. Succumbs isn't that fascinating
when you think about, that not to mention any kind
of surveillance video that they have around which they have
alluded to and Heard i've heard investigators or at least
the press releases that have come, out they're using the
term mountains of, day mountains of digital. Data but we've
(46:21):
come into information just this. Morning there's a what's this
thing called a neuro psychiatric or neuropsychology, report.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
A forensic neuropsychologist, report and this was part of the
discussion a couple of weeks ago in court when they
were determining are we set to go for a trial
On january? Fifth and prosecution and defense attorney said, yes
except we are waiting on this report from Doctor Robert.
(46:51):
Schaefer Doctor Robert shaeffer is a forensic, neuropsychologist and they
were waiting on his report on he Evaluated Sarah gray's
back In, august and they were waiting on this report
to determine whether they could move, Forward, Joe and what
they found out is the contents have not been. Disclosed,
(47:11):
okay we don't know what Doctor schaeffer came up. With
we have no clue on. That but what we do
know is that a couple of weeks ago trials set
For january, fifth going forward, beginning and then we know
that on the morning Of, Monday january, fifth the report
was then apparently turned over to prosecution and defense at some,
(47:35):
point and when they got to court On monday the,
fifth they all said, nope we cannot move.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Forward.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Wow and the, judge this judge who had you, know
really encouraged this fast. Timeline, yeah, yeah sat back and, said,
okay we're going to kick the trial To.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
August holy, Smokes, joe that's a long.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Time what could this report possibly say that requires eight?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Months, well let's, see it's.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's going to mean it's not going to mean that
much To, well if this guy's doing the, Report if
this guy's doing the, assessment he works for the, STATE
i would, assume, okay the state will have requested, This
so he's going to be a state. Witness what because
a lot of stuff that when you get into the
(48:30):
area of forensic, psychology a lot of this stuff is highly, Subjective.
DAVE i know people take exception to, That, okay but
that's just. Reality it's not like you're looking at talks.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Results.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Okay so the defense is going to have to acquire
their own expert to review, this and they may they may, Say,
okay well we want to bring on our own expert
to do their. Examination so once that, happens then that
person will have to generate a report and gifts where
(49:02):
that has.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
To go, to that has to go to the.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Prosecution so you've, got you, know for every for everything
that that is, done there's a potential for you, know
the other side to do it as.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well SO i think going, forward.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
There'll be more information that's going to come, out more
information they'll be. RELEASED i think That i'm, interested obviously
in all of the digital. Data i'm interested in THIS elvad.
MACHINE i never thought i'd i'd hear myself saying that
in a in a gunfire related. Case i'm very interested
(49:38):
in the ballistics, Here. DAVE i want to know if
it's the same. WEAPON i want to know more about the.
TRAJECTORY i want to know if they FOUND i want
to know if they found any gunshot residue anywhere in that,
house how how thoroughly was it examined h and were
(50:00):
there any efforts to clean up around the house in
any way. WHATSOEVER i want to know how much of
her clothing they took out of that. House you, know
when they did the initial run, through what was removed
from the, house what did they, collect and how much
of that stuff has you, know gone through the ringer
because AND i find it Fascinating dave that you, know
(50:24):
because most of the time THE gbi is sufficient to the.
Task it's all self. Contained they've got their own state
crime lab and all. This but the fact that THE
fbi is involved in this case is, interesting AND i
wonder if it's what kind of evidence are they dealing?
With is this are they there solely for electronic evidence
(50:47):
or is it something? MORE i don't. Know time will,
Tell and, Look i'm not saying the case is actually
going to go forward In, august because this kind of
came out of left field for. Us dave AND i
started out to tape this today because the trial was
about to step. Off BUT i got to tell, you
if they've pushed it out To, august you never know
with these, things as we see every single, day things
(51:10):
get pushed all the time in. Courts but this is
just gigantic. Mystery at this point in. TIME i think
you've got people that are saying that she had nothing
to do with, This she's got a whole group of
people out there that are supporting, her even WEARING t
shirts that say That Sarah Grace patrick is. Innocent so
we'll see how this develops over the next few. Months until,
(51:32):
then we'll keep you, posted we'll let you know what we,
hear and we'll give you our. Insight I'm Joseph Scott
morgan and this is Body.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Backs
Body diets. But Joseph's gotten more.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know, there are certain states around the country where
you can't really figure out where one ends and the
other begins. I've been to a lot of those locations,
and no words were ever truer regarding the boundaries between
rural Georgia and rural Alabama.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
There is a road that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Drifts off into the west, coming out of the town
or around the area of Carrollton, Georgia, heads for the
Georgia Alabama border. And look, if you cross the border
from one state and to the other, you couldn't really
tell where, you know, if you were still in one
state as opposed to the other. But you know, sometimes
on those lonely roads like that, some of the most
(00:56):
intriguing and curious cases happen. And that's kind of a
comment toward people that think only cool cases are really
interesting cases happen in big cities because they don't today
on body bags. I want to offer a comment on
a case that has happened in one such location, in
(01:18):
a little town that's not really on a map. It's unincorporated.
The name of the town is called tis Tis, Georgia,
and along this stretch of roadway bordered by pulpwood pines.
A double homicide has taken place, and a young woman
(01:43):
is about to go on trial. She's been accused of
the murder of both her mother and her stepfather. I'm
Joseph gott Morgan and this is body Bags. You know,
(02:05):
Dave in saying what I had just commented on the opening,
It's amazing how many people will say they hear about
some kind of horrible crime and it happens in some
far forlong rural area and they'll say, I just can't
believe that happened here. And my answer to that is
(02:27):
the fact is that humans are humans no matter.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Where you go.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's just that you get a tighter concentration of things,
a greater frequency in you know, in large urban areas.
But violence persist everywhere you go, or the potential, let
me put it to you that way, the potential for
violence and horror and all those sorts of things, and
no more so than in the case of the accused
(02:56):
Sarah Grace Patrick that we're talking about today. Brother.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know, when this story first broke, it got a
lot of attention, you know, from a lot of different sources.
You and I talked about it We talked about it
on several different shows because it is one of those
things that you look at and go how, you know
how and what went on because you actually have a
(03:20):
behind closed door story here. You know you've got a
you have a blended family, and blended families, blended families
at their best are odd. You know they really are,
because you never know the inner workings oftentimes, and this
is I don't know that this is the case here,
(03:41):
but you know, whenever you have a parent, biological mom, stepparent, yep,
you know, biological father, there are going to be issues.
Even under the best of circumstances, there will be issues.
But as a child, and you and I both know
this on a personal level being raised in that environment,
(04:03):
a lot of times as a child, you suck it
up for the sake of peace in the family. You
don't say things that you would normally, that you would
say if they were both your biological mom and dad.
And the same is true with them. They treat things
much to it. It's just a different thing because everybody
is protecting everyone else, it seems.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You kind of divide up into these camps and listen,
I got to tell you personally, I grew up in
the environment, and as an adult, I'm part of the
environment as well. You know, Kim and I. You know,
we've got a blended family. And it's it's not just
that dynamic that you're in the household with day in
(04:45):
and day out. It's also that added ingredient of all
the external stressors that come about with exes and all
those sorts of things. And they're the exes extended family
and you know who thinks this about this? And you know,
all that sort of stuff, That dynamic and it's a
weird kind of kind of circumstance. And then when you
(05:06):
have a child born into the environment that is becomes
a half half.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, it's that dynamic is so incredibly bizarre. And then
you throw on top of it teenage hood, uh into
that environment. You know. Uh, My my wife taught. My
wife taught middle school for for years and years, and
(05:36):
she she used to say, you will never come across
creature on the face of planet. That's that's more trying
of the soul, uh than a middle grade girl era.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she would say, you know, boys
are just boys.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know, they're going to tear stuff up they're gonna
flimbal stuff, They're gonna do stupid things. But and you know,
I don't know. It's an interesting dynamic. It certainly is.
But Dave, I've never we cover a lot of stuff.
I don't recall a case like this that has come
to this level of violence where you've got a well
(06:21):
she was a child at the time, sixteen, that was
sixteen years old, that is being accused of something that
is this heinous man.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well this Jamie and Kristen Brock were Actually they were
the poster parents for blended families. A lot of people
looked up to them. Now they have in their history
like we all do, dancing skeletons in the closet. And
(06:51):
I will tell you that it's difficult to get past
your past if you keep holding onto it. You know,
you have to put it in a You got to
leave the past where it belongs and move on on.
The problem is that not everybody can do that, especially
and you mentioned it the extended family of the blended family.
And so if you did something when you were a
(07:12):
twenty five year old man, and now it's fifteen years later,
you're forty and you've cleaned up your acts, You've got
a great job and a great family. You're respected in
the community and in church. You're very active and volunteering
for everything. Somebody's still going to say, yeah, but I
remember when I remember when you were twenty five, Dave,
and you got naked at that company Christmas party and
(07:34):
you were making photocopies of.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Your genitals look for everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, and Mary time you got your cookup of stuff
of your nose.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, I'm there.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean that you always have that, and so in
this case we have some of that going on. But
I pulled up one of the first reports that we
did on this on Nancy Grace, and this is what
I said. Jamie Brock and Kristen Brock are the couple
other family members look up to. They're a blended family,
each having children from other relationships Kristin. Kristin's sixteen year
(08:02):
old daughter, Sarah Grace Patrick, is living in the home
as Jamie and Kristen welcome their own little girl, completing
the yours mine in our scenario. Through all their happiness,
the Brocks have a dark cloud hanging over their heads.
Jamie Brock, known for his big heart full of love,
also happens to have a weak heart and needs a
transplant soon if he wants to see his children grow up.
(08:26):
Waiting on a heart transplant doesn't slow Jamie down. His
son Tristan says most people don't even know that his
father has an Elvad device LVAD. It's a mechanical pump
that is implanted to support a failing heart's left ventricle.
It's used as a bridge to a transplant, and Jamie
(08:47):
Brock is hoping he gets a transplant soon. He's forty
five years old. Joe, talk to me about what that
means in his life, having that device.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, he's saddled, you know, And I take exception to
the idea that no one would know he has to
literally carry around a packet with him everywhere he goes,
or be plugged in to a monitor. And that comes
into play here as well. In this particular case. You know,
you've got this thing that you are boat anchor to
(09:15):
forever and ever, you know, dependent upon the opportunity to
have access to a heart, a viable heart that's going
to pair up with you. The left ventricle of the
heart does a tremendous amount of work, and so that
heart wall gets weakened, right, and so you have to
have this LVAD that stimulates the heart. That the term
(09:40):
LVAD actually stands for left ventricular assist device. So it
effectively works in the sense that it's it has to
be surgically implanted, okay, to assist the left ventricle, and
it's going to to prompt the heart to continue to
(10:03):
function appropriately. And the thing about it is is that
without this you would be I don't know, have you
ever heard the term, dave? Have you ever heard the
term end stage? It's a medical term, Okay, So some
people get it confused with in staate I in state.
(10:24):
In the case of an ELVAD, this is indicative of
somebody that is without it. They are in end E
n D stage all over. Yeah, it's all over, but
the crime. So he, you know, he kind of walks
around with this hanging over there. Can you imagine walking
around day to day with a reminder of your frailty,
(10:46):
you know at that age, Yeah, you know, you're and
you know, we're talking about a guy that's not ancient
by any years old. Joe's forty five, and you know
he's he's out living life, and you know, you always
have this remained reminder, you know, kind of hanging around always,
(11:07):
and there's always that sound of the monitor no matter
where you go. It's really hard to escape.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
There's an interesting thing written here, Joe. By the way,
the reason we're covering the story of Sarah Grace Patrick today.
The trial was scheduled to begin Monday, January fifth, but
they were waiting on one very specific report, and they
being the prosecution and the defense, and they didn't get
(11:34):
that report before the Christmas holiday break, and when they
had the they actually had a court meeting the first
or second week of December, and the judge said, hey,
is everybody right. It's a really truncated timetable here. I
mean we're talking about they arrested her in July, Sarah
Grace Patrick. They arrested her for the double homicide of
her mom and stepfather, And here we are six months
(11:57):
later less and they're saying, yeah, we're ready to go.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And well, I got to tell you this is kind
of interesting, David. This is something I don't that you
don't normally see with frequency. The judge in this particular
case has been very aggressive, like he's staying with what
has been termed as an aggressive timeline moving forward and
(12:23):
one of the one of the fascinating things about this case,
and it's kind of drawn me to it. I literally
drive through this area with great frequency because my grandchildren
live over in Georgia, so I have to pass through
this area. And for any of you guys that followed
me on Instagram and you know those things like that,
(12:44):
you'll see that I am absolutely totally in love with
my grandchildren. And right now we're coming off holidays. I've
got baby brain right now. Welcome, welcome, rest right now.
They'll be going back to school soon. Anyway, I digress. Yeah,
you know, it really captured my imagination. Because this case
(13:08):
they have not released a tremendous amount of information. However,
I will tell you this. It happened in Carroll County, Georgia.
And the thing about it is is that it's not
merely the Carroll County Sheriff's Office that's investigating this case.
(13:33):
It's also the GBI and the FBI. They've you know,
(13:55):
in this case out there on that stretch of road.
This is not something that you would that you're going
to see. I mean, it's so and the thing about it,
you know, how I talked about concentration. Many times violence
seems a location seems more violent. I think a lot
(14:16):
of it has to do with population density. And when
I say you go through this area, you can go
a mile and not see a house. Wow, all right,
And it's that sparsely, you know, populated. There's not a
lot of concentration. So the idea that something like this
(14:36):
that has occurred in this location is it must be
because this is.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
A real rural area.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
When you drive through its pasture lands, some of the prettiest,
prettiest countryside you've ever seen. You're driving through there and
you've got cows and you've got horn, you know, and
stuff like this just doesn't happen out there, or it
seems like it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because there's
not this huge concentration of population. But Dave, I got
to tell you, how did kind of run it down
(15:07):
to us about how all this came about and people
became aware of it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You know, back to the geography. I always think of
traveling light from Atlanta to Birmingham on I twenty yeah,
straight shot, and you know, this is one of those areas.
As you arrived from Alabama into Georgia. You know, you've
got Carrollton. That's one of the first Tallapoosa Carrollton. And
(15:32):
so that's why I was wondering how that affected you
and your driving back and forth to Georgia, you know,
in that area. But on the morning of February twentieth,
and I'm talking about twenty twenty five. Again, this is
something that is so recent, it has not even been
a year.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And again back to the judge aggressive tomline.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Lady, Okay, I do have a question for you about
that in how it impacts you and what you do.
But February twentieth, early morning, five year old daughter of
Jamie and Kristen Brocken goes to her parents bedroom to
wake them up. Now that's her mom and dad. Remember
how we talked about blended family yours mine hours. She
(16:13):
goes into their bedroom to wake them up because they're
usually up, and they're not. And when she goes to
her parents bedroom, what she sees is enough to make
her run away from the bedroom. Her sixteen year old sister,
Sarah Grace Patrick, grabs her in hey, what's going on,
(16:36):
goes and looks and immediately calls nine one one. What
the five year old discovered was her mother and father
dead in their bed, their bodies riddled with bullets. On
the phone with nine one one, Sarah Grace tells the
dispatcher the bodies are cold to the touch. Passed the
need to do CPR because that is the first thing
(16:58):
the nine one one operator wants.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
To do, yeap. That is, they want to know, can
you do CPR?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And they'll talk you through it, and they're pretty persistent
about that about doing it, and which we've seen on
a number of occasions Joseph Scott Morgan where a suspect
in a crime I didn't really do it, you know,
or didn't give it there all, which is fascinating to
me when you're talking about a loved one that anyway.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So well, hey, look he immediately had an immediate recall
on Ellen.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yep, that's what I was thinking about, you know, where.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh my god, she's got a knife, you know, and
he's asking all these questions, you know, because nine one
one operator at that point in time up there in
that case up in Philly, you know she didn't. This
is not some big mystery. At that point, they're trying
to save the person's life and so you're going to
be asking the caller can you do nine one one?
(17:53):
And it's interesting, you know that she would, you know,
have the presence of mind to say that the other
they're cold, they're cold. I found that, you know, kind
of kind of fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, the Carroll County Sheriff's Department on the scene within minutes,
began looking over the scene, and you know that doesn't
there's no sign of a forced entry. There is a
door that does seem a bit a jar. But investigators
spent all day at the home, coming over the evident,
at the residents, looking for any evidence. They spoke to neighbors,
(18:27):
and they looked at surveillance videos. The home ends up
surrounded by police cruisers. It's all roped off because they
don't know what they're looking at. They know, think about it.
The five year old discovered the bodies of her parents,
and the sixteen year old daughter called police. Now there
(18:47):
is one tip here, Joe. And it's interesting because you know,
I said at the beginning that the family, this is
a family that people looked up to, you know, because
of how they had been able to blend their families
and the relationships between Sarah Grace Patrick and her mom
and stepfather. Well, after this happened, a few things came out.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
One was, prior.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
To any of this stuff happening, Jamie Brock actually was
talking to his niece, Kristen Dowda, and Kristen was going
on and on about how wonderful she thought Sarah was,
you know, as a sixteen year old girl, and what
a great job you know, Jamie had done, you know,
(19:42):
with her. And Jamie actually tells Kristen Dowda that Sarah
is not what she seems to be, not what she
appears to be to everybody else. He actually tells his
favorite niece, you don't see what I see. You don't
live in the home with her. So fast forward to
(20:02):
this taking place. Kristin Dauda, the niece, remembers that cool. Yeah.
So police are looking over the crime scene and they've
got the investigators trying to figure out what could it
possibly happened? Yeah, and now we've got Kristen data saying, hey,
she that Sarah Grace Patrick might not be the person
(20:25):
she appears to be.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, Well I got to tell you I've seen I
don't know if you had an opportunity day I was
on Court TV with Vinnie Politan. I don't know how
long ago, it was maybe months so ago, because they
were they knew that this case was coming up, and
Vinnie brought me on to talk about it. I got
(20:47):
to see the images of the house and exterior images,
and they may have had a floor plan too.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
What did you think of it when you saw the.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Exterimey time, Well, it's its need. It's not you know,
or anything like that. It looks like it may have
had an add on in the backside. It's kind of
it's it's typical of.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
A rural home, a little home.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
This is no mansion. I can't imagine that this thing
is any larger than maybe eighteen hundred square feet perhaps.
And so you've got mom, dad, You've got a sixteen
year old, and you've got at the time a five
year old, you know, living in this house. I don't
know about you, but you know, if you hear things,
(21:38):
you know when you live in proximity to one. There's
nothing that's private in any of these environments. And what
has always fascinated I say, always like it's gone on
for a long long time. This is you know, from
twenty twenty five But what really caught my ear, and
no pun intended here, was the fact that this young
(22:01):
lady says that she didn't hear any gunshots during the night,
and Dave, this is you're talking about from the way
we have heard it. Hell is being unleashed in this room,
right okay.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
And you know my.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
First thought was, okay, well, if she's not involved with it,
which they have accused her of being involved in it,
did someone come in with a suppressed weapon and who
would target a middle aged couple, including a man that is,
(22:38):
as we've already established, is infirmed to the point where
he has to walk around with this ELVAD on where
he will die if he does not have this thing on.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He presents no real threat.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I can't I can't imagine, you know, I don't know.
I didn't know the man personally. I never was face
to face with him to have you know, conversation with him.
Generally with if you require an LVAD, there's a bit
of fatigue, you know, that kind of comes about, as
you can imagine, if the thing is not sufficient to
(23:10):
the task, and also if there's any other kind of
external you know, medical conditions that you might have that
you know, that it gets more and more complicated. So
the point is is that I cannot see this guy
being a threat, but it sounds you know, because they
keep using the term multiple gunshot wounds, and again me,
(23:32):
I'm thinking, well, this automatically goes to this is a
semi automatic weapon that has been used in this particular case.
If they are both in the bedroom, which it sounds
like they are, I don't really know, and they haven't
released this information. When we think about what's referred to
as positionality, you know, the that can refer to two
(23:55):
separate things in forensics. Position if you've got multiple victims,
position is relationship between two victims. And I'm talking about
physical in a physical sense when you're observing the crime scene,
and then you can have positionality relative to the perpetrator,
the alleged perpetrator, as the shooter, you know, what was
(24:15):
their position relative to the victim or the intended targets.
So you're in a confined space. You've got this weapon
that's going off multiple times. And for those of you
that have never out there, that have never heard the
report of let's just pick out a standard caliber, a
(24:38):
nine to millimeter weapon that goes off in a small,
confined space. If you ever get a chance to go
to an indoor firing range and you're on the shooting
line with people, I wouldn't recommend this, but if you're
in there and you don't have on your hearing protection,
(24:58):
you get a sense of what it's like inside of
an environment that's closed in when a weapon goes off.
Just think about being in a tiny house and a
weapon goes off multiple times. You're talking about with a
non suppressed weapon. You're talking about repeated thunderclaps that would
(25:20):
come in really tight succession to one another. It is
enough to wake anybody up. What's fascinating is that when
she gave statement, Sarah Grace Patrick, she stated that she
did not hear gunshots, and that brings me to the
(25:44):
five year old. Did the five year old hear gunshots?
And we don't know. We know that the child has
been interviewed, and it's really amazing what you can glean
from a five year old. I mean, they don't hold
back most of the time. If they know something, they're
going to say something most of the time. If you
have the right person in there conducting the interview with them,
(26:07):
and they'll tell you you know, God's honest truth about
what you know. Gee, I woke up and you know,
and I found mommy and Daddy deceased. Or yeah, I
heard something scary last night. Okay, you heard something scary
last night. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
What was that was?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
What was so scary about it? And then I was
so afraid I didn't get back up out of it.
I didn't get out of the bed. I just stayed
in bed. So we don't really know what that dynamic
is like at this point in time. Another interesting piece
to this because Dave, you know, there's no signs of
forced entry at this scene, no signs of forced entry
(26:45):
at the scene. You've got this door that is unsecured.
I think Sarah Patrick's biological father took a picture of
the door, if I'm not mistaken, someone in her camp
to picture of the door and posted it out there.
And when you see it, now, you know you can't
(27:07):
look at a picture and say, well, mechanically I can
state that this was forced forced entry or this is
the condition of the door, all right, which is an
interesting thing in forensics we have to do. And just
let me break this down for you. When you when
you show up at a scene. You always have to
understand that people's normal way of living is not necessarily
(27:32):
your normal.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Way of living.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Okay, so I've been to I've been to scenes. I've
been to scenes Dave where I would walk in and
I would say, this place is a pigsty.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's horrible.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I can't tell the difference. It was there actually a
struggle in here, or is this the normal way that
they're living. And I'm not saying that that was the
condition of the interior of their house. What I'm saying,
is this lock in particular, or this door, if it
is compromised in some way, maybe it's been like that
for a long long time.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Did somebody jimmy the lock in some way? Did somebody
arrange it so that they could get access to it?
How easy is it to defeat this lock? Did they
commonly leave it locked or did they commonly.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Leave it open? You know?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
What's the old adage about? Yeah, well, I remember growing
up in a place where we always kept the doors unlocked,
you know, so it's hard to stay you know, now
what may have been the status of that door. But
there's a lot of evidence at the scene in regards
to the door. Also the idea of going back into
(28:40):
the bedroom and the they're talking about multiple gunshot woundes,
so that means we've got multiple casings. There's going to
be casings everywhere at the scene, and their distribution doesn't
really play into this because you can't predict casing is
going to bounce. What's going to be interesting is to
(29:03):
try to understand the trajectory of the rounds. But the casings.
The casings can in fact give you an indication of
obviously the caliber of the weapon. The projectiles can give
you a ballistic fingerprint about the weapon. But here's the problem.
(29:23):
At this point, there ain't no weapon, Dave. One of
the more troubling as if there's not a lot already,
one of the more troubling aspects of this case is
(29:46):
that they allegedly have not found a weapon. And my
thought was this ought to be easy. When I first
heard about the case, and before I knew that bit,
my thought was, well, this is a sixteen year old.
(30:09):
They're accusing her, They're saying she did it. How does
a sixteen year old get access to the semi automatic handgun? Now,
I know it happens all over the place, but that's
a big reveal. It's not like a sixteen year old
is going to walk into a gun store and say, yeah,
I want that pink nine milimeter that you have there,
you know, because those do exist. They I've also seen
(30:31):
them in turquoise. You can get turquoise non milimeters. Come on,
that's there, you go. But you know, that's a big
piece that when you agree, Dave, it's like, how do
you get access to this? And so I'm always thinking,
you know, is it a familial connection? Did the family
keep guns inside the house. My understanding is that, as
(30:56):
much as I hate to say this, I think dad
was convicted fell I don't think he could have weapons.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Is that correct? Yeah? And that's fun.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I was talking earlier about our past, you know, and
many of us make decisions as we grow up that
don't necessarily reflect the person we are now, but cause
us problems. It happens, and so I go to the
(31:25):
I go to this end of it. We're in an
area in the southeastern part of the United States of
America where having guns is not that big of a deal,
and almost all of us have guns, but we have areas.
I mean, we live in a rural environment, our most
congested area. For people who live in Chicago, New York, LA.
(31:48):
You know, our most congested area is your most rural area. Okay,
it's really a different lifestyle. So guns to me are
just different that were raised around them. Now I have
a question for you, though, Joe, and we've got a
couple of them, because during the holidays, you've been on
Fox News and you have been quoted as saying talking
(32:09):
about the world of digital forensics and how it plays
into solving crimes. And there are a couple of things
here about this case that I'm hoping you can delve
into for me because Sarah grayce Patrick sixteen years old
at the time of this now seventeen, spends a lot
of time on social media, specifically TikTok, and she has
(32:31):
posted a lot of information beyond that. We also have
a real red flag from her eulogy in the days
after the murders took place. And there's something else I
have to ask you, though, We'll come to those, all Right.
(32:52):
At the crime scene, you've got two dead bodies in
a bed. So the assumption I make is that they
were asleep when they were shot. I'm making that assumption
only because they said they being law enforcement, said they
were found in the bed. We know that Jamie Brock
is mechanically tied to the ELVAD for his heart, so
(33:16):
if somebody were to come in and kill them, we
know that it was sometime between the time the little
girl went to bed that night before and the time
she wakes up the next morning to about the five
year old who found them in that area here and
they were cold to the touch. Yes, according to Sarah
Grace Patrick on the nine one one call, all right,
(33:38):
they're found in bed shot to death. You mentioned trying
to find the angle of bullets, to the trajectory of
the bullets and figuring this out. But Joe, if somebody's
laying in bed on their side and they are shot,
causing their body to move. So I'm laying on my
(34:03):
right hand side, left towards the ceiling, and I get
shot in the chest and it rolls me over and
I get shot again, and now it hits me in
the chest. You know, how are you going to determine
a which one will came first and the trajectory Where
was the shooter standing?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Oh wow, Okay, that's an I didn't see that coming.
That's an excellent question. Trajectory itself is well, first off,
let's go to order. You can't. You can't tell order.
There's no way you can't tell order with gunshot wounds,
with with stab ones, you just can't. I mean, I
(34:44):
think that people think that we can, but we really can't.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
We're fascinated with that too, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Really are, because people want to know, you know, particularly
if you've got multiple gunshot wounds and you've got because
in autopsy report, when you read the autopsy report or
they'll lay it out pretty succinctly, not in the in
the listing, like the actual granular listing of the gunshot wounds,
but they'll go if you look at the cause of death,
(35:13):
they will state in the cause of death most of
the time, depending upon how thorough the forensic pathologists is,
which gunshot wound is actually the coup to gras, okay,
the fatal one, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Trajectory that's interesting because it's rather it's very dynamic, not
as dynamic in a bed as it is say, for instance,
out on the street if somebody's kind of dancing and
you've got somebody walking around doing what's called slicing the pie,
which is where you're firing and you're having to it's
not really slicing the pie, but you're you're having to
(35:46):
adjust because people don't stay static mostly and if they
see a weapon, they're going to duck and all this
stuff and how much of a reaction would there have
been with them, because I've seen people that take the
first shot and they don't move from that position. They'll
get shot in the chest, they'll get shot in the head,
(36:08):
and then subsequent you know, rounds are fired into their body.
What's really interesting is you can actually kind of see
movement of a body if you've got like when you
put the trajectory rods through the gunshot wounds, you can
see I've seen cases where we've used rods where people
look like porcupines, you know, where literally you've got multiple
(36:32):
rods sticking out of the body and you look at
this and you think, oh my lord, this is really
really intensely dynamic. You know, person's moving about or the
perpetrator is moving about. The other interesting thing, too, is
the height ratio. Okay, you know, when you begin to
(36:52):
think if you've got some towering dude that walks in, Okay,
you've got some big burly guy that's you know, six six',
two all, right and he's holding a weapon and he
fires into somebody that's lying in front of. Him that
that relationship is completely different than a sixteen year old.
(37:12):
Girl and forgive, ME i don't know her. Height let's
just say she's five to. Four you, know that kind
of skews skews from what you would think with a grown. Man,
Okay So i'd like to know when THE, gbi AND
i think that if you were asking me who handled
it at the, Scene i'd say THE gbi responded out,
(37:34):
There probably The Georgia bureau Of investigation and their crime
scene reconstructionists came out, there and they would have painstakingly
gone through that case with a fine tooth, comb pulling,
trajectories taking a look at the position of the. Bodies
these bodies probably would not have been removed from the
(37:55):
scene real quickly because when they see this, DAY i
can tell you the, investigators when they see, this they're
going to. Think they're going to think this is so
far out of bounds that we've really got to take
our time with. This this is an execution style. Event
(38:15):
and they're also they're knowing they're going to have to
watch their p's and q's with. THIS i would think
that the level of intensity out there to collective and.
Not we have to understand that when you've got two people,
dead it's not one. Case if you look at it
from the perspective of lives being. Taken you've got two separate. Cases.
(38:36):
Here now it's the same, event but you've got two separate.
Cases you, know you've got to count, here and you've
got to count here and, so and then you compile
all this and you have to. Worry it gets, really really.
Complex the more bodies you add on to this, thing
the more. Complex that's, why you, know if we have
like a mass shooting, event, okay people think, that well
(38:56):
you got a mass, shooting just walk in and he's.
No every dead body that you have that's an individual
count and you have to, well you have to give
them their. Due you, know everybody's equal under the, law.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
RIGHT i remember you pleading it to, me AND i
was shocked at the amount of. Work And i'm not
diminishing anything about the human beings associated with a mass,
fatality BUT i remember you were talking about one In,
birmingham and you were talking about the number of casualties
and the number of cases and the number of because
you've got to know where did this person, die when
did they, die how did they, Die and it's not
(39:31):
just that, one but it's everybody. Else and in this,
case we do have two people dead in the, bed
but we don't. Know we don't have enough information, yet we.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Don't you AND, i, well it would, Seem, dave that
according to what you had said, earlier we do have
some information or we have some insight into what was
going on With Sarah Grace patrick relative to her. Electronics.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Man you, know it's interesting that in the time AFTER
i remember this happened In, february and between the time
of the double homicide and the time That Sarah Grayce
patrick was, arrested it was, Months, joe it wasn't. Days,
months and it was an unsolved double. Homicide And Sarah Grace, patrick,
(40:18):
well first things, first at the funeral, service the celebration
of life or whatever you want to call, It Sarah
Grace patrick delivered a very long. Eulogy and this is
not a videotaped presentation like many are these, days BUT
i did see it because somebody at the funeral actually
(40:39):
got a video on their cell phone Of sarah Grayce patrick's,
eulogy And i'm going to tell you. What man watching
it multiple times and then looking at the reaction of family,
members this eulogy is a huge red.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Flag.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Joe you KNOW i Mentioned Christa, Douda Kristen, douda or
the niece Of. Jamie she sat in the front road
during the service and says that even Though Sarah Grace
patrick sounds like she's crying during the course of this,
eulogy very long, eulogy there are no. Tears sounds like
(41:17):
it sounds like she's, crying but there are no. Tears
and then Then Joseph Scott morgan at the, end she,
Says i'm. Sorry, now many people saw that as an
admission that she was. Sorry she, Says i'm.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Okay NOW i don't know that there could be so
many things that that would. Mean but here we have
is this is in the days following the. Murders now
we're talking about as the days go, by there is no,
arrest And sarah Grayce patrick takes to TikTok because, well
there's no attention being placed on this double, homicide and
(41:57):
she's reaching out to people. Online she's reaching out to cry,
people people who do reporting on TikTok and what have,
you trying to get. Attention she's seeking. Attention Joseph Scott.
Morgan the now seventeen year Old sarah Grayce patrick doesn't
want this case to go. Away she needs the, attention
and that is another red flag for many.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
People, yeah it all depends on.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Often to the world of, attorneys it all depends on
how you frame. Attention AND i can tell you in this,
trial this is going to be a big issue. HERE
i can see it, coming you, know fifty miles. Away
they're going to look at this and they're going to
want to, know, well she's being the good daughter, here you,
know come and look at my mom and my stepdad's double.
(42:48):
Homicide that's not getting. Attention or she, can AS i have,
seen she can get on social media with a miscarra
holding down her, face WHICH i never. Understand that's a
very personal. Thing why do people do? THAT i Don't
i've never understood. That it's it's your. World you do
(43:11):
what you got to, do but just kind of open,
weeping you, know, purging you, know and there's imagery of
her doing that, well let's just say you're trying to
set something up to make it appear in a particular.
Way and nowadays that's easy to, do you, know on you,
(43:31):
know on on social. Media, RIGHT i could go stand
in front Of Evander holfield's former home over over In,
georgia you, know which is, massive AND i could, say,
yeah this is my. Crib you. Know it's, like, no it.
Ain't i'm just out here with a, camera you. Know
and how much more so when you get into the
(43:51):
detail about this and this this weird thing that's going
on where she's reaching out to. People so one of
the QUESTIONS i think at trial is going to, be,
well what does this? MEAN i don't, know BUT i
do know. THIS i know that social media and electronic
media are going to play a major role in this
(44:15):
relative to relative to what she did at any particular,
time was she having contact with anybody? Else and let
me tell, YOU i didn't address. THIS i completely. Forgot
you know what else is going to play a role
in this that is? Electronic is THAT elvad? Machine oh?
(44:35):
Wow AND i think the reason is is that she
had claimed at one point in time she heard his
alarm going off multiple times through the, night WHICH i
think this alarm is really.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Loud.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Wow and if this thing is monitoring his heart and
he's hooked up to, It, dave there's going to be
a like an electronic footpri as to when his heart stopped.
Beating let that sink in just for a. Second you
talk about silent witness to this. Thing that's going to
(45:12):
be interesting because in the case we might ACTUALLY i
guess the forensic pathologists can. Testripe but wouldn't it be
cool if if you had, to if they brought in
a cardiologist to talk about this? Machine and this is
a science geek coming out of, me all, RIGHT i
know that you had a cardiologist, come you, know come
(45:32):
and talk, about you, know how does an albad? Work
and what can we actually? Tell can you tell by
using this? Device can you tell when heart stoppage? Occurs you,
know when they went into a critical? Mode oh here's the, Thing.
Dave can you tell was death's? Sudden you? Know by
virtue of the heart? Rhythm you. Know can you see
(45:54):
where the heart begins to kind of taper off here
and he finally slips off and. Succumbs isn't that fascinating
when you think about, that not to mention any kind
of surveillance video that they have around which they have
alluded to and Heard i've heard investigators or at least
the press releases that have come, out they're using the
term mountains of, day mountains of digital. Data but we've
(46:21):
come into information just this. Morning there's a what's this
thing called a neuro psychiatric or neuropsychology, report.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
A forensic neuropsychologist, report and this was part of the
discussion a couple of weeks ago in court when they
were determining are we set to go for a trial
On january? Fifth and prosecution and defense attorney said, yes
except we are waiting on this report from Doctor Robert.
(46:51):
Schaefer Doctor Robert shaeffer is a forensic, neuropsychologist and they
were waiting on his report on he Evaluated Sarah gray's
back In, august and they were waiting on this report
to determine whether they could move, Forward, Joe and what
they found out is the contents have not been. Disclosed,
(47:11):
okay we don't know what Doctor schaeffer came up. With
we have no clue on. That but what we do
know is that a couple of weeks ago trials set
For january, fifth going forward, beginning and then we know
that on the morning Of, Monday january, fifth the report
was then apparently turned over to prosecution and defense at some,
(47:35):
point and when they got to court On monday the,
fifth they all said, nope we cannot move.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Forward.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Wow and the, judge this judge who had you, know
really encouraged this fast. Timeline, yeah, yeah sat back and, said,
okay we're going to kick the trial To.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
August holy, Smokes, joe that's a long.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Time what could this report possibly say that requires eight?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Months, well let's, see it's.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's going to mean it's not going to mean that
much To, well if this guy's doing the, Report if
this guy's doing the, assessment he works for the, STATE
i would, assume, okay the state will have requested, This
so he's going to be a state. Witness what because
a lot of stuff that when you get into the
(48:30):
area of forensic, psychology a lot of this stuff is highly, Subjective.
DAVE i know people take exception to, That, okay but
that's just. Reality it's not like you're looking at talks.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Results.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Okay so the defense is going to have to acquire
their own expert to review, this and they may they may, Say,
okay well we want to bring on our own expert
to do their. Examination so once that, happens then that
person will have to generate a report and gifts where
(49:02):
that has.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
To go, to that has to go to the.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Prosecution so you've, got you, know for every for everything
that that is, done there's a potential for you, know
the other side to do it as.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well SO i think going, forward.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
There'll be more information that's going to come, out more
information they'll be. RELEASED i think That i'm, interested obviously
in all of the digital. Data i'm interested in THIS elvad.
MACHINE i never thought i'd i'd hear myself saying that
in a in a gunfire related. Case i'm very interested
(49:38):
in the ballistics, Here. DAVE i want to know if
it's the same. WEAPON i want to know more about the.
TRAJECTORY i want to know if they FOUND i want
to know if they found any gunshot residue anywhere in that,
house how how thoroughly was it examined h and were
(50:00):
there any efforts to clean up around the house in
any way. WHATSOEVER i want to know how much of
her clothing they took out of that. House you, know
when they did the initial run, through what was removed
from the, house what did they, collect and how much
of that stuff has you, know gone through the ringer
because AND i find it Fascinating dave that you, know
(50:24):
because most of the time THE gbi is sufficient to the.
Task it's all self. Contained they've got their own state
crime lab and all. This but the fact that THE
fbi is involved in this case is, interesting AND i
wonder if it's what kind of evidence are they dealing?
With is this are they there solely for electronic evidence
(50:47):
or is it something? MORE i don't. Know time will,
Tell and, Look i'm not saying the case is actually
going to go forward In, august because this kind of
came out of left field for. Us dave AND i
started out to tape this today because the trial was
about to step. Off BUT i got to tell, you
if they've pushed it out To, august you never know
with these, things as we see every single, day things
(51:10):
get pushed all the time in. Courts but this is
just gigantic. Mystery at this point in. TIME i think
you've got people that are saying that she had nothing
to do with, This she's got a whole group of
people out there that are supporting, her even WEARING t
shirts that say That Sarah Grace patrick is. Innocent so
we'll see how this develops over the next few. Months until,
(51:32):
then we'll keep you, posted we'll let you know what we,
hear and we'll give you our. Insight I'm Joseph Scott
morgan and this is Body.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
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