January 7, 2026 • 48 mins
The Columbus Division of Police Homicide Unit is asking the public for help with any video or digital evidence related to the murders of Spencer and Monique Tepe. Well thought of couple, Spencer a popular dentist, murdered in their home between 2am and 5am December 30, 2025. The couple's two children ages 4 and 1 were unharmed. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the case with everything currently known as the police seek help in catching a monster.
Transcript Highlights
00:00.22 Introduction, Columbus, Ohio
03:27.89 Murders of Spencer and Monique Tepe
06:47.10 Kids inside, non-responsive adults
10:05.37 The couple is well thought of by everyone
15:16.20 Case will be heavily influenced by tech
20:07.96 Footprints in the snow
25:01.02 Cops bang on doors very loud
29:52.57 ME will determine entrance wounds
35:14.58 Killer left three shell casings behind
40:18.84 How much snow in the area?
44:51.41 Video of person of interest walking
48:22.55 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Quody dims with the Joseph's gotten More. A few years back,
I had the opportunity to go to Columbus, Ohio. I've
never been there before, and I was filming documentary in
southern Ohio and that was essentially the closest place that
I could fly into. And I got to tell you
(00:22):
I spent time there, and actually I got to confess
I kind of really came to like the place. It
was really kind of a cool place. I thoroughly enjoyed it,
and the people that I met, places that I went
out to eat, enjoyed it very much. So I could
(00:44):
see how to be a very livable city. You know,
you got the university there and a lot of nightlife.
But you know that over the past I don't know,
a few days a week, there's a case that has
popped up there that has really troubled me. It's troubled
me on many levels. And I'm going to get into that,
(01:06):
I promise, But I think probably the most troubling thing
about this is that as I speak right now, as
I speak, there is a monster out there that has
committed a heinous crime and that led to the deaths
(01:29):
of two people. And it's not just the fact that
a heinous crime has been committed, it was committed with
little young children inside of the house, and yet this
fandom still walks up and down the streets. I'm Joseph
Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags, David. I got to
(01:55):
tell you, I saw the images of this couple something
that I haven't seen before in a case. You know,
when they're doing the media does this reflective thing that
they do with you know, all of their cuts and everything,
you know, when they're promoting a show about a horrible instant.
(02:17):
They had these incredibly beautiful moving images of this couple's
wedding and they're dancing around. You can kind of see
the glow in their faces, you know, all those sorts
of things, and it was quite touching. And I began
(02:39):
to think about that couple and you know, on your
wedding day, you're so very helpful about the future that
you have together, and to have something end in this
kind of horror is quite shocking. And one of the
reasons I wanted to hop on here with you, my friend,
is because it's not just to talk about this case,
(03:01):
but it's a I think it's something that we have
a voice. We need to remind people of it, and
people need to be on the lookout because whoever did
this is pure evil. I mean just absolutely pure evil.
I hope that they put a bag over this person really,
really quick, because I'm concerned for the folks up in Columbus,
in that area of the country because it's nasty, nasty
(03:24):
business day.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Talking about the murders of Spencer and Monique Tepi, and
they were murdered December thirtieth, twenty twenty five. I'm saying
that emphatically, as in, like, I know what actually happened.
I don't. I'm only going by the information we've been
given and based on what we found, meaning police investigators,
(03:47):
what have you, that it's a good assumption to make
that they died sometime between midnight and nine in the morning,
probably much earlier than that, mainly because of we've got
a couple here who they've got. You know, you mentioned
the video of the wedding. You know, we've talked about
how b roll video actually sometimes carries a story. You'll
(04:11):
see more when they've got wonderful video to share with it,
because you know, and that's what you've got, You've got
the all American couple people are looking for. Is there
something here? Is there a string we can pull? Because
Spencer and Monique Teppi are found murdered in their home.
Their young children are located in the home uninjured, and
(04:33):
Spencer is a dentist and it's his boss who calls police, right,
And I found it fascinating that he was when he
was asked about this, he said, you know, he couldn't
reach Spencer. Spencer's always on time. He's that guy who
is always on time. And that they found it. He
found it even more troubling when he couldn't get up
(04:54):
a Spencer. It was that was just okay, I can't
get up a Spencer. It was when he could not
get up with Monique, Yeah, with Spencer's wife, That's when
panic time, because that just doesn't happen. It's one of
those things where, you know, if I couldn't find Joe,
I'd call him, right, If I couldn't find Joe and Kim,
I'd call Noah. If I can't find any one of
(05:16):
you guys, I'm on my way to Jacksonville because there's
a problem. And that's what happened here. He didn't show
up the dentist's office that morning, so they call, neighbors
are going by the house, and my gosh, Joseph Scott Morgan,
when we actually hear the nine to one one calls
and you've got people who can't get in, you know,
(05:38):
door's locked, nobody's answering the door. But we hear children.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I cannot imagine what that must be like to an
investigator knowing something bad is behind this door and there's
children in there.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, And you know, when when do you cross literally
when do you cross that threshold? I think that we've
you and I have talked many times over the year's
day about about making entry into a residence. And it's
a weird, you know, it's kind of a weird thing,
(06:12):
you know, as far as when do the cops actually
decide to make entry? When when is it dictated? And
I can you know, I can guarantee you that from
jurisdiction to jurisdiction, dependent upon their sop, they will have
there'll be these slight little differences. You know, Well, you've
(06:33):
got to call a supervisor or I'm sure that there
are probably some agencies out there that say, don't you
go through that door without a warrant. You know, even
if and here's the thing about it, you've got kids
in there, and you've got non responsive, non available adults.
What a weird position to be in if you're a cop.
And my understanding is that the police had actually gone
(07:00):
out initially and reported that from an initial call that
they didn't and maybe I'm wrong about this, that they
didn't see anything, They didn't make entry. At that time,
more people showed up, and that's when you actually hear
these phone calls, and Dave, I swear I can hear
(07:21):
in the background, I can hear these kids, and it's
it's chilling, you know, to think about, because now what
we know. Again, I always returned back to this case,
and I mentioned Columbus just a moment ago. You probably
know where I'm going, drifting back in time. I'm thinking
(07:42):
about piked In where the little kid walks up to
the door and you know, inside of the trailer and
you know, mommy daddy played in Zombie and you know,
and I can't help myself, you know, relative to that
particular case. And I'm probably super imposed on anything with
(08:04):
a child in it now because that was so over
the top. You had kids in that case that were
you know, infants that were covered in blood. And I
think about this case. You know, what have these kids
born witness to at this point in tom you know?
And I guess I guess the bigger question is why
(08:27):
was no harm perpetrated on them? And that's I think
to me, I don't know how you feel about I'd
love to hear your thoughts. That's a that's a big
insight to me.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, you know what, Joe, no threat. I have to
think based on the very we know so little about this, Okay.
What we know is that Spencer Teppi is thirty seven,
Monique is thirty nine, and they've got two kids. Yeah, right,
and that's what we know. We know that he is
an upstanding dentist, well thought of in the community. It
(09:01):
was his boss, the owner of the dental place, that
called from Florida by the way, Yeah, because he didn't
show up. He didn't show up to work, which you know,
it's one of those things where again we have a
standard operating procedure of life. I know what to expect.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Can I say something about entnists real quick? Pleaseis dennists
tend to be I think more so than medical doctors,
dentist in my mind, everyone I've ever worked with professionally,
and there's been many, they're some of the most fastidious
people that I don't know if it has to do
with walking, working in small spaces with tiny tools or
(09:38):
whatever it is. They are very, very ordered. And I
know that there are people out there saying, well, you
don't know about the dentist office I work in, but
you know you compare it, and they are like right
on top. And so that's a big And the fact
I love the fact that you brought up that Monique
that could not reach her because she is the household
(10:01):
manager for this family. You know, she manages everything. And
I'm sure that you know he's I'm sure as what
a lovely person he is, Spencer, He's probably super nerd.
He probably is super focused as a practitioner on what
he has to do. And she's kind of like, Okay, honey,
here's your job, go do it. Let me turn the
(10:22):
big dial on your back, Go get in the car,
here's coffee. You know, God bless you go on about it,
that sort of thing and managing, you know, because I'm
that way. You mentioned my wife, you know, Kim is
always saying, Okay, you've got to be here at this time,
you need to go, or whatever the case might be.
And the fact that they cannot get her is a
(10:45):
major problem. And it indicates to me as well, because
the boss said, and this is something that kind of
rings in my ears. She said, it's the boss said.
He said that It's one thing if you can't get Spencer.
It's completely different if you cannot get Monique, because apparently
(11:05):
she would hop on the phone at any point in
tim if somebody calls, she's Johnny on the spot. So
you know, you couple that and now what we know
about these kids crowing inside the house. Dave's just absolutely
you just gut wreck.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And the neighbors. Now this is another part of this too, Joe,
get neighbors involved. You know, I'm not the most social
butterfly there is. Okay, I know my neighbors, but I
tend to just kind of keep to myself. I like
it that way. And me too, I would love to
live down a two mile long driveway that's got a
tonnel leading to my underground cave. Okay. Yeah, In this
(11:43):
particular case, this was a family that was looked at
with much favor by their neighbors. And it was neighbors
who came over because they saw police show up, Hey,
what's going on? You can't get up with them? What
the heck? And when the police left, that's when the
neighbors go back over there looking around, going hey, something's
wrong here. And it was a neighbor who calls nine
(12:03):
to one one and said, I see a body, I
hear children. And that's where all of this change. Now, Joe,
what we have been told thus far, and I'm really
really need you to because the police are still asking
(12:24):
for help. The police are saying, yeah, we've got you know,
if you have information, if you have a camera, if
you have video, if you were down this street, if
you were they're asking the community to step up. Do
you know anything, because Joe, what are the odds a
random thing like this is going to turn so violent
against a husband and wife and leave the children alone
(12:45):
and it's going to happen? Police say between two am
and five am. Now going to go on an assumption here,
they've been able to dial it into that based on
all of our behaviors. Nowadays, you know, they actually, they
being investigators, can determined pretty much when you went to sleep.
Based on TV video, your phone, things like that can
(13:07):
tell where you were, when you were and so they've
been able to isolate it down to this three hour
window between two am and five am January. Second, we
have a report Joe that Spencer was shot more than
once and that Monique was shot once in the chest. Yep.
(13:31):
If that is the only information we have about the
interior of the house. Of course, knowing that the children
will survived, because I'm going to guess that children were asleep,
what does that tell your mind? As an investigator? What
does that speak to you about the crime scene? Just
knowing that, I'll tell you what he goes to. It
goes to specific knowledge of not just the residents that
(13:56):
occupied that house, but it also goes to the layout
of that house. Whoever was involved has very intimate knowledge
of the lives of this family. I wonder sometimes, Dave,
(14:27):
I really do as a forensic guy, I really wonder
is technology going to make us lazy investigators in the end?
You know, because I look back on quote unquote the
good old days, you know, when you really had to
work hard to process a scene. And I'm not saying
(14:47):
that people still don't do that. What I'm saying is
that there are so many tools of the trade. Now,
I really wonder if instinctually we're kind of burying our
instincts relative to our reliance upon technology. And maybe that's
(15:09):
a conversation for another day, but I have to I'm
leaning into this idea now that with the Tepie family,
this is going to be a case that is going
to be heavily, heavily influenced by technology. Maybe I'll just
record that on a loop. It seems like we keep
(15:30):
saying that on a lot of cases that we cover,
but with phones and cameras in particular, I'm thinking that
it's that that's going to be your first stop along
the way. And the fact that they're looking for more
I think you said, Dave, the authorities are looking for
(15:51):
more any kind of imagery that they can get. And
that's that's the part I was really concerned with from
from the standpoint we've got a couple here who Okay,
maybe I'm jaded, but the minute I hear people talk
about a couple about how their lives are rooted in
love for one another and the family, you know saying there,
(16:16):
I just want to share this with you. This is
what family said. Brother in law says that they were
known for their warmth, kindness, dedication to building a life
rooted in love. They were extraordinary people whose lives were
filled with love, joy and deep connection to others. That's
what the brother in law said. Now one has to think, Joe,
(16:41):
what don't we know? What don't we know about this
couple that has a couple of small children. They're in
their late thirties. He's a dentist. I mean, there's something
we're missing because this doesn't just happen for no reason.
You know, you have a home break in or whatever,
her I get it, that's not this. We don't have
(17:02):
somebody barging in, you know, on a met or crack bench,
you know, killing whatever they can and taking whatever they want.
We've had nothing said about anything being stolen. We know
that whoever came in and did this, Joseph Scott Morgan
was able to leave the doors locked as he or
she left because when neighbors came by, they couldn't get in.
(17:26):
They could hear the children, and one of the neighbors
actually said he heard the children screaming, and yet they
couldn't get in. So whoever did this was able to
shoot multiple times and locked the door as they exited.
They weren't in a rush, No.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They weren't. And my question is is that whoever perpetrated this,
I'm really curious as to what was left behind in
that house. The video that I have seen. The video
that I have seen is there is a considerable amount
(18:05):
of snow on the ground. Right, Okay, snow. For my
colleagues that work up north, I've never had to deal
with it. I've only dealt with very few homicides that
occurred when there was actually snow on the ground. I
can hear my friends up north snickering right now as
I say that. It's one of the things that I
(18:29):
do know that they look for are going to be footprints. Now,
I'm very curious as to however this person exited the house,
if they got there soon enough, and I'm saying they
and this is good and bad. Just bear with me here.
(18:49):
You've got all the colleagues that are showing up. What
have they walked across out there? Okay, You've got Elliet
that showed up initially upon the initial call. Well, if
they're doing a welfare check, one of the things that
they'll do is they'll walk the perimeter of a house.
(19:10):
That's kind of sop for them. So what they want
to do is they'll walk around and they'll look at windows.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, do they go to knock on the door first
before they do that?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, yeah, they will. They'll bang on the door. As
a matter of fact, it's something that will get your attention. Doorbell,
they'll ring it, that sort of thing. I'm wondering if
the cops did not hear the kids at that point
in time, because maybe that initial jiggle of the lock
metaphorically here, I'm wondering if that roused the children and
(19:44):
then you know, in the interim, think about horrific that is,
they might be fast asleep and then all of a
sudden they wake up as a police coming by, and
you know, suddenly they're faced with this horror. But you know,
back to what I was saying, with footprints and there's
(20:06):
snow on the ground. I'm wondering, you know, because the
cops would have kind of made an orbit around the house,
the exterior of the house, they would have looked at windows.
They're not going to make a entry. They might bang
on a window to try to rouse somebody. I'm wondering if,
(20:28):
first off, if it was a squad that rolled out,
if you had two police officers there, or if it's
a single police officer, And then points of egress and ingress,
like how do you leave this place? Do you walk
out onto the street down a sidewalk? Well, if you
walk down sidewalk, yeah, are there? Had the sidewalks been
(20:50):
swept as far as snow goes? Have they? You know?
Are they you know? Do they contain a lot of snow?
Because look, we're talking about a period of time. This
is a pristine we're talking about I think you bracketed it,
or their bracketing that you mentioned it from like two am.
They've kind of narrowed our spectrum down here. If there
(21:12):
was more snow that fell during the night, that could
have covered any footprints from the earlier in the day,
So what you would have would be rather pristine, or
you'd have the chance at having a pristine footprint. Then
you have workers that show up, they're walking around the place,
they're peeking in windows and all this stuff. Are they
(21:33):
touching anything with their bare hands externally? Doorknobs, because that's
the first thing you do, right if you can't get
somebody to come to the door and you are hearing kids,
and you're hearing kids inside. You know, my first inclination
is to grab the door handle or the door knob
and kind of shake it. Well, if the individual made
(21:53):
entry into the house that way, I'm not saying that
you would have obliterated their print, but there's a chance
that you may have overlaid a print with your own print.
And maybe multiple people did this. I'm not blaming these
people for it because they're they're literally being good Samaritans here.
They're they're trying their best to check out, you know,
(22:16):
their friend that's not responsive and his and his wife.
So you have to check all the points of ingress egress,
look for anything on the ground that could tie back
to a specific person. And if you can get that narrowed,
and if they find something that doesn't match up with
everybody else, you can get a shoe size off of that,
(22:41):
and maybe even not just a shoe size, you can
get a footwear pattern or let me just put it
to you this way, you can get the general overall
pattern or classification of the shoe in addition to the
shoe size, and beyond that, you can actually get a
wear pattern off of shoe because you and I. You
(23:02):
and I might wear the same sized shoes and we
could buy a pair of boots at the same time,
but the way you step and the way I step
are completely different. We're gonna have different wear patterns. So
that's another thing that you're going to look for in
a case like this. So, and the reason I'm getting
kind of down in the weeds with this is that
right now they don't have anything. They really don't buy
(23:24):
their own admission, and I think that it's really important
that you know, you stay focused on that now, Dave,
I got to tell you when the reports that I'm
hearing about what they found in that bedroom with with
these deceased parents, Wow, two of these things are not
(23:49):
the same. I mean, you've you've got you've got her,
and she's sustained. According to what we're hearing, a single
gsw to the chest right, all right, that's not what
I'm hearing about him. No, we're talking multiple gunshot wounds.
And I hate to maybe it's over usage, but again
(24:12):
the term overkill comes into play here. Why is he
perceived as the target in this particular case? Was the
end game to kill him? And they don't see her
as a threat, and then the children are unharmed because
(24:33):
I got to tell you, if you've got a mad
killer out there, let's just say you've got some psychopath
that's running the streets that is just howling at the
moon out of their mind. They don't care if you're
an adult or child. All right, it's indiscriminate. They're going
to waste everybody. Again, back to Pikedon. That was one
(24:56):
of the real interesting things about Pikeden is that you
had all these deat adult, but nobody killed a.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Child that was you know. That has stayed with me
because how you described all that and here we've got
a four year old and a one year old. Yeah,
you've got very small children here. And when you were
talking about maybe not being awakened during the two am
to five am time, gunshot might not wake you. But
you know what I remember back in the day living
(25:22):
in an apartment, oh boy, and having my downstairs neighbors
the cops showed up, yeah, and the banging on that door, Oh,
had me going to my door thinking somebody was you know,
and so knowing how they bang on the door to
get attention from somebody, that would wake up a child and.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I would think so, yeah, I would think so, dependent
upon but you know, this is a larger structure. I
think it's multi storied. Yeah, so I don't know. But
you know, there's a way that you and I might knock,
but there's the way cops knock has come completely different.
You know, for a variety of reasons. They're they're there
(26:05):
to kind of shock you. I think many times they're
there to try to get your attention, and they're there
because they've got other calls pressing. They want to get
this done and over with it as expeditiously as possible.
That's just a human truth right there. But there's back
to back to the environment in which the bodies are found.
(26:26):
I find the nature of the of the injuries that
are sustained by both of the teppies intriguing. But here's
what I do know. I know that there are two
big pieces of evidence here that literally might lead us
(26:50):
to the perpetrate. So, Dave, where does the science lead
us here? Where exactly are we going to find the
(27:13):
answers in the world of forensics. Well, I think, you know,
aside from you know, kind of the things that we
would generally think about relative to fiber evidence, any kind
of transfer evidence. There doesn't seem to be and again
we don't know this completely. There doesn't seem to necessarily
(27:34):
be an indication of a struggle like contact. This I
got to tell you, this feels more like an execution.
No forced entry, Joe, No forced entry. I do have
no forced entry between two am and five am in
the morning. We have a four year old and one
year old. I'm sorry. You can't get in my house
at that time without there being some force. Oh yeah,
there has to be mine as well.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I just can't. By the way, if you come into
my house between two am and five am, you're going
to die. Yeah, just letting you know ahead of time, anybody,
you let.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Me know what's in the refrigerator or anything in there.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, that's why you'll die. You think I have my
guns and gold? There you go. I'm a little I'm
bothered by a couple of things here, Joe. We mentioned
early on that we have the husband, mister Teppy is
shot multiple times while his wife is shot one time.
Now I'm reading a reporter here that says officers that
(28:29):
entered the home found both individuals deceased. Three spent nine
millimeter casings discovered at the scene. Of course, the children
are unharmed. But when I'm thinking multiple gunshot wounds on
a person, I'm not thinking too. I'm not thinking I mean, granted,
that does qualify as more than one, yeah, but three
(28:49):
shellcasings does not. I'm thinking pop up up, you know,
several times in multiple parts of the body and then
shooting her once in the chest.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah. It's a bit confusing because the term and I
don't know if this is necessarily I don't know if
this is something that is the origin is with the
police in the framing, or if it's something that's been
made up to be a bit more salacious on the
part of the media. Because this thing, you know, this
case is like wil Fi right now, is everywhere and
(29:21):
you know, got to get them clicks, man, and so
you know, and that's I'm with you. You know most
of the time when I hear multiple and I hear
and there have been people that have stated the word overkill.
I'm not the first person to say this, Well, what
are our options here? Well, I think one of the biggest,
biggest things that we have to concern ourselves with is
(29:43):
do the individual fumble about in the dark? Are there?
Let me rephrase that before I go go with fumbling.
The idea is, are there do the number of holes
or defects in the body merry up with the number
of spac casings that we have. So if we've got
multiple entrance wings which can be proven that are entrance
(30:08):
wings by the medical examle we don't have that information yet.
And there's a whole segment of that that we could
do talking about the attitude, the attitude of the bodies
relative to the perpetrator, the shooter and the victims. Are there,
Do you have enough casings there at the scene that
(30:31):
would marry up with the number of defects in the body?
I think that's going to be quite compelling because if not,
did this person fumble about in the dark and try
to pick up spent brass? That's a big question that
you have to ask. Depend upon the platform, the handgun platform,
(30:53):
and this is going to be a semi automatic weapon.
We're talking about a nine millimeters pairbellum probably round.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And you give a law, is that gonna make a
lot of noise?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Jo? Well, yeah, unless of course it's suppressed.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
You know, and never silenced trends.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Suppressed, Yeah, suppressed. You can never silence a weapon. Yeah,
you know, it's it's a suppressor that is on these weapons.
I hate it when people say silence or because you're suppressing,
you're knocking down the sound. All right, you're talking about
something that is that's probably supersonic, you know, And supersonic
(31:34):
means that it cracks a sound barrier. So when it
cracks a sound barrier, you hear a crack in the air.
All right, it's a little explosion. So or what are
they looking at? A suppressed weapon and that's going to
affect the ballistics of the weapon itself. Are the ballistics
of the weapon and the external ballistics of the round
(31:55):
that is fired into the body, it's not going.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
To change them. They can be able to tell that
from the shell casing as they found.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
No, no, because the suppressor would have nothing to do
with the ejected casing. Because the ejecting casing is coming
out of the port on the top of the slide.
So every time that weapon has discharged, the slide actually
jacks ford or racks racks backwards and it grabs there's
(32:24):
actually an extractor, a mechanism inside of the barrel of
the weapon or in the barrel housing adjacent to the barrel,
and it grabs that spent cartridge and cast it out.
And while it's doing that, the slide is slamming forward
all the while from the magazine that's the that's in
(32:44):
the grip. It's spring loaded, so it's pushing another live
round in. And this happens in the twinkling of an eye.
You know, I urge if look don't believe me, I mean,
I'm lying. I urge anybody. And of course I'm kind
of a I'm kind of a nerd. I could watch
thee sorts of things on YouTube all the time, go
to super slow mode images of semi automatic handguns being fired,
(33:07):
and you'll see the ejection process and it's really fascinating.
You can get an idea and think about ejection of brass.
Is this unpredictable? Okay? Now once it and a lot
of that is dependent upon the shooter, how they're holding
the weapon. But even the strongest among us that are
firing a weapon, you're going to deal with some type
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of recoil event might be minimal, and you actually have
to readjust you have to readjust your hand every time.
If you're trying to keep it on target. It can
be in a minuscule way, but you have to readjust
and you're moving too, Okay, you're moving at the same time.
So this brass is being spent out into the air
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and then it's unpredictable when it strikes the ground. So
if they had like a hardwood floor, if they had
marble or some other kind of stone that's got grout,
If they've got carpet, okay, our carpets on the floor,
you know, like rugs, that's going to affect the distribution
of this. Then you factor in the cylindrical shape of
(34:12):
the brass, and you know what edge is it going
to hit? Okay, So there are all these factors that
come in with a distribution of brass. There's never anybody
that ever tells you, well, yeah, I can look at
the amount of brass that's right here and tell you
specifically where there's their lying they're lying. That's that's an
empirical and probability. Now, if you're in a military world
(34:34):
and you're dealing with a you're dealing with a belt
fed you know, uh, you know, machine gun Okay, and
you're in a static position. Even those big bits of
brass that are coming out of that though, they'll be
kind of gathered and there's no way, like you could
(34:54):
sit there. It's like flipping a coin all right somewhere else. Yeah, yeah,
you just say you can't, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So let me ask you about this though, Joe. What
are the odds that somebody that is in there to
do this kind of carnage? Okay? I mean, I cannot
think that they went in there for a glass of milk,
got startled and decided to kill two people and in
the middle of the night. So I'm going to assume
they were there with purpose and leaving three shells behind,
(35:21):
shellcasings behind. What about what are the odds that they
picked up others?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah? I know, And that was the big thing I
was getting at. Forgive my senility, you know, because I
was talking about fumbling around in the dark. I start
talking about all these things that we talk about in forensics,
and I forget many times. But yeah, if you're if
you have an awareness that you're going to leave brass behind,
and you understand that the extractor marks that I was
(35:45):
talking about, Remember we talked about this in Delphi with
the extraction mark that was left behind when he racked
that sig back, right, they if they understand that concept, yeah,
they might fumble around in the dark and try to
pick up all spent brass. And I have had brass
that I have recovered in bedrooms underneath the bed. Even
(36:09):
though the weapon was fired outside, you know, of the bed.
It wasn't like somebody was firing under the bed. It's
literally I've had it. I've had brass bounce off of
things and go behind furniture and into closets and all
manner of things like this. So did the person have
the wherewithal or did they just want to get out
of there quickly? You know? Did they want to illuminate
(36:31):
the space after what they had done? Because Dave Big
reveal here, I think that this person knew them. I
just I don't think that this is and maybe I'll
be proved wrong. I don't know, But you're going to
tell me universal you you know, you're going to tell
(36:53):
me that just out of random, just let's pick a name.
I'm going to walk in and I'm going to essentially
execute two people in their bed, leave their kids alive,
and I know exactly where their bedroom is I'm not
going to make a mess while i'm there, and I'm
going to go out of the house sight unseen. You're
going to tell me that that's what's happened. And we
(37:15):
don't have any indication that anything of value was taken, nothing,
nothing at all, So that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You know, what else have you learned about the bedroom?
Anything else besides that we've got a man with multiple
gunshot wounds and a woman with one. Anything else?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
No, not to the basement on every show.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
No, Joseph Scott Morgan is on every show. I mean
they've been bugging. I'm not bugging. They've been calling you
since this brogue to get you on, and I think
it's because there is so little information. I mean, the
cops are still asking in the neighborhood for help, Yeah
they are.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
But here's the here's my big I think that that
the ballistics evidence is going to be significant in this case,
particularly if they can if that weapon has ever been
used in the porptrationian of crime? Right, was was he
targeted by somebody like here here's some money, go do this?
Oh wow, Okay, Well if that's the case, if you know,
(38:13):
you get the ATF involved in this thing and they
start looking at these recovered rounds, which they will recover.
The rounds they'll either be recovered out of the body,
or have been recovered out of the bodies, or they've
been recovered out of that mattress. Either way, they're going
to get recovered. You know, don't don't fool yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Do we know if they were standing or laying down
when they were shining?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And it's completely unclear at this point in time. And
I understand why it is because they don't want to
They don't want to reveal a lot. But here's the
big thing that got released. Literally, this is what you
were talking about. This is what I've been called about
by some other media platforms and wanted me to comment
on them. Is this alley camera that they have. You say, well, Morgan,
(39:05):
what does that mean? Why are you saying an alley camera? Well,
the image that we're seeing the police are interested in
speaking to this person. I'll put it to you that.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Way, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
This area is behind the house or behind the area.
It's not out on the main draft alleyway called an alleyway.
And you've got an image of a subject that looks
like a mail they're moving as you're looking at the screen.
They would be moving from right to left. They are
(39:41):
walking in snow. You had taken a look at it, Dave,
and you said this person might be a little gimpy,
not really sure. And I got to thinking about that.
I don't know how you walk in snow. I don't
walk well in snow.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I was looking at that. I'm not seeing the snow
that deep. I'm seeing icy areas well.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
It looks like it's pol up on the sides. And
I don't I don't really know. And you know, he
sits right Columbus, sits right there on that snow line.
I know, get my friends in Ohio. It's not on
the snow line, but it's right there on that snow line,
you know where it can get really really bad, or
you know, can stay like southern Ohio. And I'm wondering
(40:20):
how much snow had fallen and how with what, you know,
what was the impact of that area. Maybe I'm making
too much out of that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
But I think you have to make everything out of
everything you.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Have to because there's nothing to really hang your hat
on right now.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I saw him looking down while he was walking.
He's wearing a hat looking down, and I'm seeing a
lumbering side to side. That's what I'm seeing in that.
And I'm thinking how my grandson makes fun of the
way I walk and I don't realize it. And I'm wondering,
was this guy intentionally walking a certain way? Was he
trying to be deliberately relaxed, Because, to be honest with you, Joe,
(40:55):
if you're walking in an alleyway between two am and
five am at the same time a couple is murdered,
You're not getting away with this. You're not walking away.
You know you are the person they want, and you're
gonna have They're gonna look for clothes, they're gonna find
that hat, They're gonna find everything. And I'm just wondering,
(41:15):
you know what the heck, why don't we already have
in this day and age. You're gonna tell me that's
the only video. We've got, no cat camera cams.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
And this is something else Keming and I were talking
about the other day about these uh flock cameras that
they're called that cities have set up all over the place.
I'm wondering if there are any flock cameras that are
in that have been installed that are in proximity to
this location that the city has been able to pull
(41:43):
now they were, I would think that if they had
clear video, because remember we got to go back to
the beginning. What they're saying is we need your help.
If they had really clear video at this point in time,
they they would say, we're looking for this guy. Look
like cleve been. There's a couple of things here. I
got to break down real quickly. So the idea that
(42:07):
this how the person is dressed or obviously dressed for
cool weather. They've got a hood over their head and
it looks like something might be under the hood. Okay,
I don't know if that is maybe a watch cap,
you know, like a toboggan, or if it's a if
it's some kind of other cap that's covered with the hood.
(42:29):
And Dave, if you look, if you look at the mouth,
the mouth area, I swear it's covered. Yeah, it's I've
got a screen shot. One of the news agencies sent
it to me and they said, hey, look at this
and tell this. Tell me what you see. And I couldn't.
It's hard to make out the screenshot that they sent me.
It looks as though it could be one of those
damn masks they made everybody wear, you know, back during
(42:52):
the pandemic. Now, I can't remember the name of the
end whatever, it doesn't matter, but anyway, is it? Is
it that? And the mask looks dark as well, and
I know they I've seen mask like that. Or then
we've got the bala kava thing that could come into
you know where we heard that before. That could come
(43:14):
into play. And it's covering. You can see kind of
the eyes, but the head is always it stays. The
head stays pitched down. Yeah, okay, okay, So what does
that mean? Well for me, I don't know about you,
but when I go to a big city or even
a medium sized city, I'm not aware where the alleys are. Now,
(43:35):
I have no idea where alleys are. I see, I
drive by houses, I see the houses. If you ask me, oh,
did you see the alley behind the house? No, because
it's behind the house. I did not see it. I'm
not familiar with that. Okay. I go to New Orleans.
There's a lot of alleyways in New Orleans because the
streets are so tight. So you've got these alleyways that
(43:55):
people actually pull their garbage in some of the older neighborhoods,
they pull their garbage out to the alley and the
truck goes down it. You never see it on the
front of the house, but you have to know that, Dave.
The reason I'm saying this is that this guy is inobscure.
I think that he is purposed here. He's not going
(44:15):
to walk down the streets. He's aware that the alley
is there, he's kind of guarded. He's as best he
can do it. He's covered, and he's walking down the alleyway,
head pitched down and it's the alleyway. He's not walking
down the street to get away. So I'm wondering if
(44:36):
this is somebody that has been watching this house, or
somebody that's been there for a party, or someone that
has noticed them, or somebody that owes somebody money, or
somebody that's interested in the family and their lives. I
don't know, but this person had an awareness of this environment.
(44:58):
I think that that's at least to me, it seems
kind of obvious. I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
No, I agree, I'm watching this over and over again,
and we got basically three clips of the video of
him walking maybe four. Anyway, at the there's one where
he's actually it's right before you get to see the
back of him, and he's actually looking down and he
pulls his hat down, he pulls it down a little
bit further. You know, it's just there's I think you're
right because common sense dictates that, Hey, you're in a
(45:27):
home that has two sleeping adults, two children, and you
kill the adults, leave the children alone, you don't take anything.
You lock the doors as you leave because nobody can
get in, so no forced entry locking behind you. I mean,
this has got to be somebody who knows what they're doing,
knows who they're doing, and why. Now the question is
what are we going to uncover? And I hate to
(45:48):
say this about the All American couple, because that's what's
gonna happen. Now, somebody's gonna come up and say, well,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I know, and listen, that's that's dude. That is standard
fair and all of these cases and sometimes yeah, there's
information there, but sometimes again it's clickbait in order, and
they wound up doing a character assassination on the people.
And I hope that that I hope that that's not
the case. I hope that people will remain focused. It's
(46:16):
not like anybody has an excuse for that.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
More.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
We've been doing this for a long long time. There's
certain ways people should understand that, certain ways investigations are handled.
And yeah, I mean people can speculate. That's fine, but
you have to be real, real careful about how you
go about doing this and getting information out there. I
think that it's I'm hoping that within the next couple
(46:43):
of days they're going to recover more videography perhaps of
adjacent reencams and whatever, you know, brand is out there
that can bring something to bear. Again, maybe there was
a test level on the street. I have no idea,
but let me say this to your friends. If you
and I don't normally do this on these cases, because
(47:03):
David and I primarily we focus most of the time
on adjudicated cases, I feel compelled to tell you this.
There's crime stoppers number for Columbus, Ohio, and let me
give you that number real quick. It's area code six
one four for six to one eight four seven seven,
(47:24):
and you can submit a tip there and they're not
going to ask for your name or contact information. That number,
again is six one four four six, one, eight, four, seven, seven,
And let me go one step further that I don't
normally do, because this is really on my heart. If
(47:46):
if you're a praying person, I asked that anybody out
there that keep these children in your prayers tonight. I
probably I'll close out every show like that that involves kids.
But this is really tugging on my heart this evening
because I feel feel for this family and and what
they're going through and hopefully, hopefully with the public's help,
(48:11):
if possible, they're gonna put a bag over this person
really really quick and get them off the streets and
dig into this and hold somebody accountable for this horror.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body bags
Quody dims with the Joseph's gotten More. A few years back,
I had the opportunity to go to Columbus, Ohio. I've
never been there before, and I was filming documentary in
southern Ohio and that was essentially the closest place that
I could fly into. And I got to tell you
(00:22):
I spent time there, and actually I got to confess
I kind of really came to like the place. It
was really kind of a cool place. I thoroughly enjoyed it,
and the people that I met, places that I went
out to eat, enjoyed it very much. So I could
(00:44):
see how to be a very livable city. You know,
you got the university there and a lot of nightlife.
But you know that over the past I don't know,
a few days a week, there's a case that has
popped up there that has really troubled me. It's troubled
me on many levels. And I'm going to get into that,
(01:06):
I promise, But I think probably the most troubling thing
about this is that as I speak right now, as
I speak, there is a monster out there that has
committed a heinous crime and that led to the deaths
(01:29):
of two people. And it's not just the fact that
a heinous crime has been committed, it was committed with
little young children inside of the house, and yet this
fandom still walks up and down the streets. I'm Joseph
Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags, David. I got to
(01:55):
tell you, I saw the images of this couple something
that I haven't seen before in a case. You know,
when they're doing the media does this reflective thing that
they do with you know, all of their cuts and everything,
you know, when they're promoting a show about a horrible instant.
(02:17):
They had these incredibly beautiful moving images of this couple's
wedding and they're dancing around. You can kind of see
the glow in their faces, you know, all those sorts
of things, and it was quite touching. And I began
(02:39):
to think about that couple and you know, on your
wedding day, you're so very helpful about the future that
you have together, and to have something end in this
kind of horror is quite shocking. And one of the
reasons I wanted to hop on here with you, my friend,
is because it's not just to talk about this case,
(03:01):
but it's a I think it's something that we have
a voice. We need to remind people of it, and
people need to be on the lookout because whoever did
this is pure evil. I mean just absolutely pure evil.
I hope that they put a bag over this person really,
really quick, because I'm concerned for the folks up in Columbus,
in that area of the country because it's nasty, nasty
(03:24):
business day.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Talking about the murders of Spencer and Monique Tepi, and
they were murdered December thirtieth, twenty twenty five. I'm saying
that emphatically, as in, like, I know what actually happened.
I don't. I'm only going by the information we've been
given and based on what we found, meaning police investigators,
(03:47):
what have you, that it's a good assumption to make
that they died sometime between midnight and nine in the morning,
probably much earlier than that, mainly because of we've got
a couple here who they've got. You know, you mentioned
the video of the wedding. You know, we've talked about
how b roll video actually sometimes carries a story. You'll
(04:11):
see more when they've got wonderful video to share with it,
because you know, and that's what you've got, You've got
the all American couple people are looking for. Is there
something here? Is there a string we can pull? Because
Spencer and Monique Teppi are found murdered in their home.
Their young children are located in the home uninjured, and
(04:33):
Spencer is a dentist and it's his boss who calls police, right,
And I found it fascinating that he was when he
was asked about this, he said, you know, he couldn't
reach Spencer. Spencer's always on time. He's that guy who
is always on time. And that they found it. He
found it even more troubling when he couldn't get up
(04:54):
a Spencer. It was that was just okay, I can't
get up a Spencer. It was when he could not
get up with Monique, Yeah, with Spencer's wife, That's when
panic time, because that just doesn't happen. It's one of
those things where, you know, if I couldn't find Joe,
I'd call him, right, If I couldn't find Joe and Kim,
I'd call Noah. If I can't find any one of
(05:16):
you guys, I'm on my way to Jacksonville because there's
a problem. And that's what happened here. He didn't show
up the dentist's office that morning, so they call, neighbors
are going by the house, and my gosh, Joseph Scott Morgan,
when we actually hear the nine to one one calls
and you've got people who can't get in, you know,
(05:38):
door's locked, nobody's answering the door. But we hear children.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I cannot imagine what that must be like to an
investigator knowing something bad is behind this door and there's
children in there.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, And you know, when when do you cross literally
when do you cross that threshold? I think that we've
you and I have talked many times over the year's
day about about making entry into a residence. And it's
a weird, you know, it's kind of a weird thing,
(06:12):
you know, as far as when do the cops actually
decide to make entry? When when is it dictated? And
I can you know, I can guarantee you that from
jurisdiction to jurisdiction, dependent upon their sop, they will have
there'll be these slight little differences. You know, Well, you've
(06:33):
got to call a supervisor or I'm sure that there
are probably some agencies out there that say, don't you
go through that door without a warrant. You know, even
if and here's the thing about it, you've got kids
in there, and you've got non responsive, non available adults.
What a weird position to be in if you're a cop.
And my understanding is that the police had actually gone
(07:00):
out initially and reported that from an initial call that
they didn't and maybe I'm wrong about this, that they
didn't see anything, They didn't make entry. At that time,
more people showed up, and that's when you actually hear
these phone calls, and Dave, I swear I can hear
(07:21):
in the background, I can hear these kids, and it's
it's chilling, you know, to think about, because now what
we know. Again, I always returned back to this case,
and I mentioned Columbus just a moment ago. You probably
know where I'm going, drifting back in time. I'm thinking
(07:42):
about piked In where the little kid walks up to
the door and you know, inside of the trailer and
you know, mommy daddy played in Zombie and you know,
and I can't help myself, you know, relative to that
particular case. And I'm probably super imposed on anything with
(08:04):
a child in it now because that was so over
the top. You had kids in that case that were
you know, infants that were covered in blood. And I
think about this case. You know, what have these kids
born witness to at this point in tom you know?
And I guess I guess the bigger question is why
(08:27):
was no harm perpetrated on them? And that's I think
to me, I don't know how you feel about I'd
love to hear your thoughts. That's a that's a big
insight to me.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, you know what, Joe, no threat. I have to
think based on the very we know so little about this, Okay.
What we know is that Spencer Teppi is thirty seven,
Monique is thirty nine, and they've got two kids. Yeah, right,
and that's what we know. We know that he is
an upstanding dentist, well thought of in the community. It
(09:01):
was his boss, the owner of the dental place, that
called from Florida by the way, Yeah, because he didn't
show up. He didn't show up to work, which you know,
it's one of those things where again we have a
standard operating procedure of life. I know what to expect.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Can I say something about entnists real quick? Pleaseis dennists
tend to be I think more so than medical doctors,
dentist in my mind, everyone I've ever worked with professionally,
and there's been many, they're some of the most fastidious
people that I don't know if it has to do
with walking, working in small spaces with tiny tools or
(09:38):
whatever it is. They are very, very ordered. And I
know that there are people out there saying, well, you
don't know about the dentist office I work in, but
you know you compare it, and they are like right
on top. And so that's a big And the fact
I love the fact that you brought up that Monique
that could not reach her because she is the household
(10:01):
manager for this family. You know, she manages everything. And
I'm sure that you know he's I'm sure as what
a lovely person he is, Spencer, He's probably super nerd.
He probably is super focused as a practitioner on what
he has to do. And she's kind of like, Okay, honey,
here's your job, go do it. Let me turn the
(10:22):
big dial on your back, Go get in the car,
here's coffee. You know, God bless you go on about it,
that sort of thing and managing, you know, because I'm
that way. You mentioned my wife, you know, Kim is
always saying, Okay, you've got to be here at this time,
you need to go, or whatever the case might be.
And the fact that they cannot get her is a
(10:45):
major problem. And it indicates to me as well, because
the boss said, and this is something that kind of
rings in my ears. She said, it's the boss said.
He said that It's one thing if you can't get Spencer.
It's completely different if you cannot get Monique, because apparently
(11:05):
she would hop on the phone at any point in
tim if somebody calls, she's Johnny on the spot. So
you know, you couple that and now what we know
about these kids crowing inside the house. Dave's just absolutely
you just gut wreck.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And the neighbors. Now this is another part of this too, Joe,
get neighbors involved. You know, I'm not the most social
butterfly there is. Okay, I know my neighbors, but I
tend to just kind of keep to myself. I like
it that way. And me too, I would love to
live down a two mile long driveway that's got a
tonnel leading to my underground cave. Okay. Yeah, In this
(11:43):
particular case, this was a family that was looked at
with much favor by their neighbors. And it was neighbors
who came over because they saw police show up, Hey,
what's going on? You can't get up with them? What
the heck? And when the police left, that's when the
neighbors go back over there looking around, going hey, something's
wrong here. And it was a neighbor who calls nine
(12:03):
to one one and said, I see a body, I
hear children. And that's where all of this change. Now, Joe,
what we have been told thus far, and I'm really
really need you to because the police are still asking
(12:24):
for help. The police are saying, yeah, we've got you know,
if you have information, if you have a camera, if
you have video, if you were down this street, if
you were they're asking the community to step up. Do
you know anything, because Joe, what are the odds a
random thing like this is going to turn so violent
against a husband and wife and leave the children alone
(12:45):
and it's going to happen? Police say between two am
and five am. Now going to go on an assumption here,
they've been able to dial it into that based on
all of our behaviors. Nowadays, you know, they actually, they
being investigators, can determined pretty much when you went to sleep.
Based on TV video, your phone, things like that can
(13:07):
tell where you were, when you were and so they've
been able to isolate it down to this three hour
window between two am and five am January. Second, we
have a report Joe that Spencer was shot more than
once and that Monique was shot once in the chest. Yep.
(13:31):
If that is the only information we have about the
interior of the house. Of course, knowing that the children
will survived, because I'm going to guess that children were asleep,
what does that tell your mind? As an investigator? What
does that speak to you about the crime scene? Just
knowing that, I'll tell you what he goes to. It
goes to specific knowledge of not just the residents that
(13:56):
occupied that house, but it also goes to the layout
of that house. Whoever was involved has very intimate knowledge
of the lives of this family. I wonder sometimes, Dave,
(14:27):
I really do as a forensic guy, I really wonder
is technology going to make us lazy investigators in the end?
You know, because I look back on quote unquote the
good old days, you know, when you really had to
work hard to process a scene. And I'm not saying
(14:47):
that people still don't do that. What I'm saying is
that there are so many tools of the trade. Now,
I really wonder if instinctually we're kind of burying our
instincts relative to our reliance upon technology. And maybe that's
(15:09):
a conversation for another day, but I have to I'm
leaning into this idea now that with the Tepie family,
this is going to be a case that is going
to be heavily, heavily influenced by technology. Maybe I'll just
record that on a loop. It seems like we keep
(15:30):
saying that on a lot of cases that we cover,
but with phones and cameras in particular, I'm thinking that
it's that that's going to be your first stop along
the way. And the fact that they're looking for more
I think you said, Dave, the authorities are looking for
(15:51):
more any kind of imagery that they can get. And
that's that's the part I was really concerned with from
from the standpoint we've got a couple here who Okay,
maybe I'm jaded, but the minute I hear people talk
about a couple about how their lives are rooted in
love for one another and the family, you know saying there,
(16:16):
I just want to share this with you. This is
what family said. Brother in law says that they were
known for their warmth, kindness, dedication to building a life
rooted in love. They were extraordinary people whose lives were
filled with love, joy and deep connection to others. That's
what the brother in law said. Now one has to think, Joe,
(16:41):
what don't we know? What don't we know about this
couple that has a couple of small children. They're in
their late thirties. He's a dentist. I mean, there's something
we're missing because this doesn't just happen for no reason.
You know, you have a home break in or whatever,
her I get it, that's not this. We don't have
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somebody barging in, you know, on a met or crack bench,
you know, killing whatever they can and taking whatever they want.
We've had nothing said about anything being stolen. We know
that whoever came in and did this, Joseph Scott Morgan
was able to leave the doors locked as he or
she left because when neighbors came by, they couldn't get in.
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They could hear the children, and one of the neighbors
actually said he heard the children screaming, and yet they
couldn't get in. So whoever did this was able to
shoot multiple times and locked the door as they exited.
They weren't in a rush, No.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They weren't. And my question is is that whoever perpetrated this,
I'm really curious as to what was left behind in
that house. The video that I have seen. The video
that I have seen is there is a considerable amount
(18:05):
of snow on the ground. Right, Okay, snow. For my
colleagues that work up north, I've never had to deal
with it. I've only dealt with very few homicides that
occurred when there was actually snow on the ground. I
can hear my friends up north snickering right now as
I say that. It's one of the things that I
(18:29):
do know that they look for are going to be footprints. Now,
I'm very curious as to however this person exited the house,
if they got there soon enough, and I'm saying they
and this is good and bad. Just bear with me here.
(18:49):
You've got all the colleagues that are showing up. What
have they walked across out there? Okay, You've got Elliet
that showed up initially upon the initial call. Well, if
they're doing a welfare check, one of the things that
they'll do is they'll walk the perimeter of a house.
(19:10):
That's kind of sop for them. So what they want
to do is they'll walk around and they'll look at windows.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, do they go to knock on the door first
before they do that?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, yeah, they will. They'll bang on the door. As
a matter of fact, it's something that will get your attention. Doorbell,
they'll ring it, that sort of thing. I'm wondering if
the cops did not hear the kids at that point
in time, because maybe that initial jiggle of the lock
metaphorically here, I'm wondering if that roused the children and
(19:44):
then you know, in the interim, think about horrific that is,
they might be fast asleep and then all of a
sudden they wake up as a police coming by, and
you know, suddenly they're faced with this horror. But you know,
back to what I was saying, with footprints and there's
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snow on the ground. I'm wondering, you know, because the
cops would have kind of made an orbit around the house,
the exterior of the house, they would have looked at windows.
They're not going to make a entry. They might bang
on a window to try to rouse somebody. I'm wondering if,
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first off, if it was a squad that rolled out,
if you had two police officers there, or if it's
a single police officer, And then points of egress and ingress,
like how do you leave this place? Do you walk
out onto the street down a sidewalk? Well, if you
walk down sidewalk, yeah, are there? Had the sidewalks been
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swept as far as snow goes? Have they? You know?
Are they you know? Do they contain a lot of snow?
Because look, we're talking about a period of time. This
is a pristine we're talking about I think you bracketed it,
or their bracketing that you mentioned it from like two am.
They've kind of narrowed our spectrum down here. If there
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was more snow that fell during the night, that could
have covered any footprints from the earlier in the day,
So what you would have would be rather pristine, or
you'd have the chance at having a pristine footprint. Then
you have workers that show up, they're walking around the place,
they're peeking in windows and all this stuff. Are they
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touching anything with their bare hands externally? Doorknobs, because that's
the first thing you do, right if you can't get
somebody to come to the door and you are hearing kids,
and you're hearing kids inside. You know, my first inclination
is to grab the door handle or the door knob
and kind of shake it. Well, if the individual made
(21:53):
entry into the house that way, I'm not saying that
you would have obliterated their print, but there's a chance
that you may have overlaid a print with your own print.
And maybe multiple people did this. I'm not blaming these
people for it because they're they're literally being good Samaritans here.
They're they're trying their best to check out, you know,
(22:16):
their friend that's not responsive and his and his wife.
So you have to check all the points of ingress egress,
look for anything on the ground that could tie back
to a specific person. And if you can get that narrowed,
and if they find something that doesn't match up with
everybody else, you can get a shoe size off of that,
(22:41):
and maybe even not just a shoe size, you can
get a footwear pattern or let me just put it
to you this way, you can get the general overall
pattern or classification of the shoe in addition to the
shoe size, and beyond that, you can actually get a
wear pattern off of shoe because you and I. You
(23:02):
and I might wear the same sized shoes and we
could buy a pair of boots at the same time,
but the way you step and the way I step
are completely different. We're gonna have different wear patterns. So
that's another thing that you're going to look for in
a case like this. So, and the reason I'm getting
kind of down in the weeds with this is that
right now they don't have anything. They really don't buy
(23:24):
their own admission, and I think that it's really important
that you know, you stay focused on that now, Dave,
I got to tell you when the reports that I'm
hearing about what they found in that bedroom with with
these deceased parents, Wow, two of these things are not
(23:49):
the same. I mean, you've you've got you've got her,
and she's sustained. According to what we're hearing, a single
gsw to the chest right, all right, that's not what
I'm hearing about him. No, we're talking multiple gunshot wounds.
And I hate to maybe it's over usage, but again
(24:12):
the term overkill comes into play here. Why is he
perceived as the target in this particular case? Was the
end game to kill him? And they don't see her
as a threat, and then the children are unharmed because
(24:33):
I got to tell you, if you've got a mad
killer out there, let's just say you've got some psychopath
that's running the streets that is just howling at the
moon out of their mind. They don't care if you're
an adult or child. All right, it's indiscriminate. They're going
to waste everybody. Again, back to Pikedon. That was one
(24:56):
of the real interesting things about Pikeden is that you
had all these deat adult, but nobody killed a.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Child that was you know. That has stayed with me
because how you described all that and here we've got
a four year old and a one year old. Yeah,
you've got very small children here. And when you were
talking about maybe not being awakened during the two am
to five am time, gunshot might not wake you. But
you know what I remember back in the day living
(25:22):
in an apartment, oh boy, and having my downstairs neighbors
the cops showed up, yeah, and the banging on that door, Oh,
had me going to my door thinking somebody was you know,
and so knowing how they bang on the door to
get attention from somebody, that would wake up a child and.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I would think so, yeah, I would think so, dependent
upon but you know, this is a larger structure. I
think it's multi storied. Yeah, so I don't know. But
you know, there's a way that you and I might knock,
but there's the way cops knock has come completely different.
You know, for a variety of reasons. They're they're there
(26:05):
to kind of shock you. I think many times they're
there to try to get your attention, and they're there
because they've got other calls pressing. They want to get
this done and over with it as expeditiously as possible.
That's just a human truth right there. But there's back
to back to the environment in which the bodies are found.
(26:26):
I find the nature of the of the injuries that
are sustained by both of the teppies intriguing. But here's
what I do know. I know that there are two
big pieces of evidence here that literally might lead us
(26:50):
to the perpetrate. So, Dave, where does the science lead
us here? Where exactly are we going to find the
(27:13):
answers in the world of forensics. Well, I think, you know,
aside from you know, kind of the things that we
would generally think about relative to fiber evidence, any kind
of transfer evidence. There doesn't seem to be and again
we don't know this completely. There doesn't seem to necessarily
(27:34):
be an indication of a struggle like contact. This I
got to tell you, this feels more like an execution.
No forced entry, Joe, No forced entry. I do have
no forced entry between two am and five am in
the morning. We have a four year old and one
year old. I'm sorry. You can't get in my house
at that time without there being some force. Oh yeah,
there has to be mine as well.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I just can't. By the way, if you come into
my house between two am and five am, you're going
to die. Yeah, just letting you know ahead of time, anybody,
you let.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Me know what's in the refrigerator or anything in there.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, that's why you'll die. You think I have my
guns and gold? There you go. I'm a little I'm
bothered by a couple of things here, Joe. We mentioned
early on that we have the husband, mister Teppy is
shot multiple times while his wife is shot one time.
Now I'm reading a reporter here that says officers that
(28:29):
entered the home found both individuals deceased. Three spent nine
millimeter casings discovered at the scene. Of course, the children
are unharmed. But when I'm thinking multiple gunshot wounds on
a person, I'm not thinking too. I'm not thinking I mean, granted,
that does qualify as more than one, yeah, but three
(28:49):
shellcasings does not. I'm thinking pop up up, you know,
several times in multiple parts of the body and then
shooting her once in the chest.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah. It's a bit confusing because the term and I
don't know if this is necessarily I don't know if
this is something that is the origin is with the
police in the framing, or if it's something that's been
made up to be a bit more salacious on the
part of the media. Because this thing, you know, this
case is like wil Fi right now, is everywhere and
(29:21):
you know, got to get them clicks, man, and so
you know, and that's I'm with you. You know most
of the time when I hear multiple and I hear
and there have been people that have stated the word overkill.
I'm not the first person to say this, Well, what
are our options here? Well, I think one of the biggest,
biggest things that we have to concern ourselves with is
(29:43):
do the individual fumble about in the dark? Are there?
Let me rephrase that before I go go with fumbling.
The idea is, are there do the number of holes
or defects in the body merry up with the number
of spac casings that we have. So if we've got
multiple entrance wings which can be proven that are entrance
(30:08):
wings by the medical examle we don't have that information yet.
And there's a whole segment of that that we could
do talking about the attitude, the attitude of the bodies
relative to the perpetrator, the shooter and the victims. Are there,
Do you have enough casings there at the scene that
(30:31):
would marry up with the number of defects in the body?
I think that's going to be quite compelling because if not,
did this person fumble about in the dark and try
to pick up spent brass? That's a big question that
you have to ask. Depend upon the platform, the handgun platform,
(30:53):
and this is going to be a semi automatic weapon.
We're talking about a nine millimeters pairbellum probably round.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And you give a law, is that gonna make a
lot of noise?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Jo? Well, yeah, unless of course it's suppressed.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
You know, and never silenced trends.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Suppressed, Yeah, suppressed. You can never silence a weapon. Yeah,
you know, it's it's a suppressor that is on these weapons.
I hate it when people say silence or because you're suppressing,
you're knocking down the sound. All right, you're talking about
something that is that's probably supersonic, you know, And supersonic
(31:34):
means that it cracks a sound barrier. So when it
cracks a sound barrier, you hear a crack in the air.
All right, it's a little explosion. So or what are
they looking at? A suppressed weapon and that's going to
affect the ballistics of the weapon itself. Are the ballistics
of the weapon and the external ballistics of the round
(31:55):
that is fired into the body, it's not going.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
To change them. They can be able to tell that
from the shell casing as they found.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
No, no, because the suppressor would have nothing to do
with the ejected casing. Because the ejecting casing is coming
out of the port on the top of the slide.
So every time that weapon has discharged, the slide actually
jacks ford or racks racks backwards and it grabs there's
(32:24):
actually an extractor, a mechanism inside of the barrel of
the weapon or in the barrel housing adjacent to the barrel,
and it grabs that spent cartridge and cast it out.
And while it's doing that, the slide is slamming forward
all the while from the magazine that's the that's in
(32:44):
the grip. It's spring loaded, so it's pushing another live
round in. And this happens in the twinkling of an eye.
You know, I urge if look don't believe me, I mean,
I'm lying. I urge anybody. And of course I'm kind
of a I'm kind of a nerd. I could watch
thee sorts of things on YouTube all the time, go
to super slow mode images of semi automatic handguns being fired,
(33:07):
and you'll see the ejection process and it's really fascinating.
You can get an idea and think about ejection of brass.
Is this unpredictable? Okay? Now once it and a lot
of that is dependent upon the shooter, how they're holding
the weapon. But even the strongest among us that are
firing a weapon, you're going to deal with some type
(33:30):
of recoil event might be minimal, and you actually have
to readjust you have to readjust your hand every time.
If you're trying to keep it on target. It can
be in a minuscule way, but you have to readjust
and you're moving too, Okay, you're moving at the same time.
So this brass is being spent out into the air
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and then it's unpredictable when it strikes the ground. So
if they had like a hardwood floor, if they had
marble or some other kind of stone that's got grout,
If they've got carpet, okay, our carpets on the floor,
you know, like rugs, that's going to affect the distribution
of this. Then you factor in the cylindrical shape of
(34:12):
the brass, and you know what edge is it going
to hit? Okay, So there are all these factors that
come in with a distribution of brass. There's never anybody
that ever tells you, well, yeah, I can look at
the amount of brass that's right here and tell you
specifically where there's their lying they're lying. That's that's an
empirical and probability. Now, if you're in a military world
(34:34):
and you're dealing with a you're dealing with a belt
fed you know, uh, you know, machine gun Okay, and
you're in a static position. Even those big bits of
brass that are coming out of that though, they'll be
kind of gathered and there's no way, like you could
(34:54):
sit there. It's like flipping a coin all right somewhere else. Yeah, yeah,
you just say you can't, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So let me ask you about this though, Joe. What
are the odds that somebody that is in there to
do this kind of carnage? Okay? I mean, I cannot
think that they went in there for a glass of milk,
got startled and decided to kill two people and in
the middle of the night. So I'm going to assume
they were there with purpose and leaving three shells behind,
(35:21):
shellcasings behind. What about what are the odds that they
picked up others?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah? I know, And that was the big thing I
was getting at. Forgive my senility, you know, because I
was talking about fumbling around in the dark. I start
talking about all these things that we talk about in forensics,
and I forget many times. But yeah, if you're if
you have an awareness that you're going to leave brass behind,
and you understand that the extractor marks that I was
(35:45):
talking about, Remember we talked about this in Delphi with
the extraction mark that was left behind when he racked
that sig back, right, they if they understand that concept, yeah,
they might fumble around in the dark and try to
pick up all spent brass. And I have had brass
that I have recovered in bedrooms underneath the bed. Even
(36:09):
though the weapon was fired outside, you know, of the bed.
It wasn't like somebody was firing under the bed. It's
literally I've had it. I've had brass bounce off of
things and go behind furniture and into closets and all
manner of things like this. So did the person have
the wherewithal or did they just want to get out
of there quickly? You know? Did they want to illuminate
(36:31):
the space after what they had done? Because Dave Big
reveal here, I think that this person knew them. I
just I don't think that this is and maybe I'll
be proved wrong. I don't know, But you're going to
tell me universal you you know, you're going to tell
(36:53):
me that just out of random, just let's pick a name.
I'm going to walk in and I'm going to essentially
execute two people in their bed, leave their kids alive,
and I know exactly where their bedroom is I'm not
going to make a mess while i'm there, and I'm
going to go out of the house sight unseen. You're
going to tell me that that's what's happened. And we
(37:15):
don't have any indication that anything of value was taken, nothing,
nothing at all, So that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You know, what else have you learned about the bedroom?
Anything else besides that we've got a man with multiple
gunshot wounds and a woman with one. Anything else?
Speaker 1 (37:31):
No, not to the basement on every show.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
No, Joseph Scott Morgan is on every show. I mean
they've been bugging. I'm not bugging. They've been calling you
since this brogue to get you on, and I think
it's because there is so little information. I mean, the
cops are still asking in the neighborhood for help, Yeah
they are.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
But here's the here's my big I think that that
the ballistics evidence is going to be significant in this case,
particularly if they can if that weapon has ever been
used in the porptrationian of crime? Right, was was he
targeted by somebody like here here's some money, go do this?
Oh wow, Okay, Well if that's the case, if you know,
(38:13):
you get the ATF involved in this thing and they
start looking at these recovered rounds, which they will recover.
The rounds they'll either be recovered out of the body,
or have been recovered out of the bodies, or they've
been recovered out of that mattress. Either way, they're going
to get recovered. You know, don't don't fool yourself.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Do we know if they were standing or laying down
when they were shining?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And it's completely unclear at this point in time. And
I understand why it is because they don't want to
They don't want to reveal a lot. But here's the
big thing that got released. Literally, this is what you
were talking about. This is what I've been called about
by some other media platforms and wanted me to comment
on them. Is this alley camera that they have. You say, well, Morgan,
(39:05):
what does that mean? Why are you saying an alley camera? Well,
the image that we're seeing the police are interested in
speaking to this person. I'll put it to you that.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Way, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
This area is behind the house or behind the area.
It's not out on the main draft alleyway called an alleyway.
And you've got an image of a subject that looks
like a mail they're moving as you're looking at the screen.
They would be moving from right to left. They are
(39:41):
walking in snow. You had taken a look at it, Dave,
and you said this person might be a little gimpy,
not really sure. And I got to thinking about that.
I don't know how you walk in snow. I don't
walk well in snow.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I was looking at that. I'm not seeing the snow
that deep. I'm seeing icy areas well.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
It looks like it's pol up on the sides. And
I don't I don't really know. And you know, he
sits right Columbus, sits right there on that snow line.
I know, get my friends in Ohio. It's not on
the snow line, but it's right there on that snow line,
you know where it can get really really bad, or
you know, can stay like southern Ohio. And I'm wondering
(40:20):
how much snow had fallen and how with what, you know,
what was the impact of that area. Maybe I'm making
too much out of that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
But I think you have to make everything out of
everything you.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Have to because there's nothing to really hang your hat
on right now.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I saw him looking down while he was walking.
He's wearing a hat looking down, and I'm seeing a
lumbering side to side. That's what I'm seeing in that.
And I'm thinking how my grandson makes fun of the
way I walk and I don't realize it. And I'm wondering,
was this guy intentionally walking a certain way? Was he
trying to be deliberately relaxed, Because, to be honest with you, Joe,
(40:55):
if you're walking in an alleyway between two am and
five am at the same time a couple is murdered,
You're not getting away with this. You're not walking away.
You know you are the person they want, and you're
gonna have They're gonna look for clothes, they're gonna find
that hat, They're gonna find everything. And I'm just wondering,
(41:15):
you know what the heck, why don't we already have
in this day and age. You're gonna tell me that's
the only video. We've got, no cat camera cams.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
And this is something else Keming and I were talking
about the other day about these uh flock cameras that
they're called that cities have set up all over the place.
I'm wondering if there are any flock cameras that are
in that have been installed that are in proximity to
this location that the city has been able to pull
(41:43):
now they were, I would think that if they had
clear video, because remember we got to go back to
the beginning. What they're saying is we need your help.
If they had really clear video at this point in time,
they they would say, we're looking for this guy. Look
like cleve been. There's a couple of things here. I
got to break down real quickly. So the idea that
(42:07):
this how the person is dressed or obviously dressed for
cool weather. They've got a hood over their head and
it looks like something might be under the hood. Okay,
I don't know if that is maybe a watch cap,
you know, like a toboggan, or if it's a if
it's some kind of other cap that's covered with the hood.
(42:29):
And Dave, if you look, if you look at the mouth,
the mouth area, I swear it's covered. Yeah, it's I've
got a screen shot. One of the news agencies sent
it to me and they said, hey, look at this
and tell this. Tell me what you see. And I couldn't.
It's hard to make out the screenshot that they sent me.
It looks as though it could be one of those
damn masks they made everybody wear, you know, back during
(42:52):
the pandemic. Now, I can't remember the name of the
end whatever, it doesn't matter, but anyway, is it? Is
it that? And the mask looks dark as well, and
I know they I've seen mask like that. Or then
we've got the bala kava thing that could come into
you know where we heard that before. That could come
(43:14):
into play. And it's covering. You can see kind of
the eyes, but the head is always it stays. The
head stays pitched down. Yeah, okay, okay, So what does
that mean? Well for me, I don't know about you,
but when I go to a big city or even
a medium sized city, I'm not aware where the alleys are. Now,
(43:35):
I have no idea where alleys are. I see, I
drive by houses, I see the houses. If you ask me, oh,
did you see the alley behind the house? No, because
it's behind the house. I did not see it. I'm
not familiar with that. Okay. I go to New Orleans.
There's a lot of alleyways in New Orleans because the
streets are so tight. So you've got these alleyways that
(43:55):
people actually pull their garbage in some of the older neighborhoods,
they pull their garbage out to the alley and the
truck goes down it. You never see it on the
front of the house, but you have to know that, Dave.
The reason I'm saying this is that this guy is inobscure.
I think that he is purposed here. He's not going
(44:15):
to walk down the streets. He's aware that the alley
is there, he's kind of guarded. He's as best he
can do it. He's covered, and he's walking down the alleyway,
head pitched down and it's the alleyway. He's not walking
down the street to get away. So I'm wondering if
(44:36):
this is somebody that has been watching this house, or
somebody that's been there for a party, or someone that
has noticed them, or somebody that owes somebody money, or
somebody that's interested in the family and their lives. I
don't know, but this person had an awareness of this environment.
(44:58):
I think that that's at least to me, it seems
kind of obvious. I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
No, I agree, I'm watching this over and over again,
and we got basically three clips of the video of
him walking maybe four. Anyway, at the there's one where
he's actually it's right before you get to see the
back of him, and he's actually looking down and he
pulls his hat down, he pulls it down a little
bit further. You know, it's just there's I think you're
right because common sense dictates that, Hey, you're in a
(45:27):
home that has two sleeping adults, two children, and you
kill the adults, leave the children alone, you don't take anything.
You lock the doors as you leave because nobody can
get in, so no forced entry locking behind you. I mean,
this has got to be somebody who knows what they're doing,
knows who they're doing, and why. Now the question is
what are we going to uncover? And I hate to
(45:48):
say this about the All American couple, because that's what's
gonna happen. Now, somebody's gonna come up and say, well,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I know, and listen, that's that's dude. That is standard
fair and all of these cases and sometimes yeah, there's
information there, but sometimes again it's clickbait in order, and
they wound up doing a character assassination on the people.
And I hope that that I hope that that's not
the case. I hope that people will remain focused. It's
(46:16):
not like anybody has an excuse for that.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
More.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
We've been doing this for a long long time. There's
certain ways people should understand that, certain ways investigations are handled.
And yeah, I mean people can speculate. That's fine, but
you have to be real, real careful about how you
go about doing this and getting information out there. I
think that it's I'm hoping that within the next couple
(46:43):
of days they're going to recover more videography perhaps of
adjacent reencams and whatever, you know, brand is out there
that can bring something to bear. Again, maybe there was
a test level on the street. I have no idea,
but let me say this to your friends. If you
and I don't normally do this on these cases, because
(47:03):
David and I primarily we focus most of the time
on adjudicated cases, I feel compelled to tell you this.
There's crime stoppers number for Columbus, Ohio, and let me
give you that number real quick. It's area code six
one four for six to one eight four seven seven,
(47:24):
and you can submit a tip there and they're not
going to ask for your name or contact information. That number,
again is six one four four six, one, eight, four, seven, seven,
And let me go one step further that I don't
normally do, because this is really on my heart. If
(47:46):
if you're a praying person, I asked that anybody out
there that keep these children in your prayers tonight. I
probably I'll close out every show like that that involves kids.
But this is really tugging on my heart this evening
because I feel feel for this family and and what
they're going through and hopefully, hopefully with the public's help,
(48:11):
if possible, they're gonna put a bag over this person
really really quick and get them off the streets and
dig into this and hold somebody accountable for this horror.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body bags
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