David Anthony Burke, known as the singer D4vd, writes songs with bloody imagery and titles like, "Romantic Homicide."
His career was on the rise. But, as his first-ever "World Tour" began, the body of a missing child from Lake Elsinore, California, was found in the front trunk of Burke's Tesla. The decomposing remains of 14-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez were found in two bags stashed in the vehicle.
A Los Angeles grand jury has been looking into the death of Celeste since November, and Burke's parents and brother have been fighting in court to avoid having to testify.
In the Habeas Corpus petition, for the first time, David Anthony Burke is named as the target of the investigation into the death of Celeste.
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack examine the case, the timeline, and discuss certain items mentioned in the writ, such as a "cadaver bag" containing some of the remains of Celeste.
Transcribe Highlights
00:06.14 Introduction D4VD and Celeste Rivas
02:42.81 Part of Celeste remains in a "cadaver bag"
05:06.65 David Anthony Burke - D4VD
10:05.78 Was Burke intimate with Celeste?
14:57.53 Workers smell odor of decomp, call cops
20:06.33 Celeste was 14
24:57.55 Body Bags used in videos?
29:54.58 Color of gloves mentioned
35:07.25 Flies do nothing but eat and make babies
40:10.75 Keeping the bones
43:57.86 Conclusion
David Anthony Burke, known as the singer, D4VD, writes songs with bloody imagery and titles like "Romantic Homicide". His career was on the rise. But as his first ever "World Tour" began, the body of a missing child from Lake Elsinore, California, was found in the front trunk of Burke's Tesla. The decomposing remains of 14-year-old Celeste Rivas Hernandez, found in two bags stashed in the Tesla. A Grand Jury has been looking into the death of Celeste since November and Burke's parents and brother have been fighting in court to avoid having to testify before the Grand Jury. In the Habeas Corpus petition, for the first time, David Anthony Burke is named as the Target of the investigation into the death of Celeste. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack examine the case, the timeline, and discuss certain items mentioned in the writ, such as a "cadaver bag" containing some of the remains of Celeste.
Transcribe Highlights
00:06.14 Introduction D4VD and Celeste Rivas
02:42.81 Part of Celeste remains in a "cadaver bag"
05:06.65 David Anthony Burke - D4VD
10:05.78 Was Burke intimate with Celeste?
14:57.53 Workers smell odor of decomp, call cops
20:06.33 Celeste was 14
24:57.55 Body Bags used in videos?
29:54.58 Color of gloves mentioned
35:07.25 Flies do nothing but eat and make babies
40:10.75 Keeping the bones
43:57.86 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bodydas but Joseph scotten.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
More, there's a passage comes out of the Bible, and
I'm not much of a biblical scholar, but it simply says,
this a study to show thyself approved. And over the
(00:26):
past few months, I would say that there is a
particular case that has been I don't know, occupying a
lot of space in the papers. As they used to say,
they're slinging a lot of ink regarding this case. And
(00:48):
this past week, after a bit of silence, we've gotten
some new news and I felt as though that it
was incumbent upon me to hop on with brother Dave
and have a conversation. It's in regards to a car
(01:09):
that was located at fourteen five Bluebird Street in Los Angeles, California.
That car was a Tesla and the person who in
fact had this car it was a subject by the
(01:32):
name of d four.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
VD.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Backs from
Jump Street. Dave. I want to tell you something this
appendix of this writ of Habeas Corpus that was released
this past week, there was something that reached through my
screen and grabbed me by the throat. As I was
(01:59):
reading it. And I've had several several news platforms that
you know, they gave me the hum sound, you know,
like what is what does this mean? And and here
here it is reading reading this appendix in regards to
this writ there's a subsection in there where they refer
(02:25):
to the body, this positively identified body of CELESE. Reeves
as part of her remains were contained in a cadaver back.
And Dave, I don't know about you. That's not something
(02:45):
that I come across on crime scenes. I don't remember
a single crime scene that I have ever worked, either
as a practitioner or have covered as person that works
in the media now and teaches. I've never had a
case where I've had a body that was found in
(03:09):
a cadaver back. Now they're using the term cadaver bag, okay,
And I just so that there is no misunderstanding here
or misinterpretation. This is a body bag, just like the
name of the show. And here's something interesting. Do you
know what they were called before they were called bodybags?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Day no no idea.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Disaster pouches. Really yeah, disaster pouches. It was a very
popular term. And they haven't always been made out of
plastic they used to be made of like heavy canvas,
if you can believe, almost like sail like sailing canvas,
you know. But anyway, these remains, these remains that are
found inside of this tesla. Now we have kind of
(03:56):
a peak behind the curtain, if you will. They're actively
working this crom scene, and the idea is they've they've
feeled us back and we're seeing now. You know, there's
been a lot of mystery shrouding this whole thing, and
we haven't really known much. And I understand that it's
an active investigation, not judging, okay, but most of it
(04:19):
has been speculative. In this particular case, Sodave, we have
some confirmation that there's a body back involved in this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well not just confirmation, I mean, you've got it right
there in you know, whatever color you want to call it,
black and white, red and white legal documentation. Here's what
we're talking about is the death of Celeste Reevas. Her
body is found in a tesla owned by the up
and coming singer known as D four VD. Actually that's
(04:51):
just how he spells it. He pronounces a David. It's
just a creative way to spell David Anthony Burke. Okay,
David Anthony Burke is the guy's name. He's twenty years old.
He actually began a career singing because he was a
video game player online and he would record himself playing
(05:11):
videos and he would upload those videos to YouTube, and
he used current music on his videos, and they became
popular because other players watched to learn new tricks at
the game and things like that, and all of a sudden,
one day, YouTube basically bounced him because he didn't have
He was copyright infringement. You can't use songs without permission,
(05:35):
and so he was defunded and that was where his
money was coming from. And he's complaining to his mom,
all right, his mom, over and over. He's telling herm,
I can't believe them they got the money. And finally
she got frustrated. She was, according to him, she was
on the phone with doing business and she said, David,
why don't you just go sing your own songs? Just
stop it, leave me alone. And that's what he did.
(05:56):
He downloaded an app on his iPhone, went into his
sister's closet and made up a and that led to
his career. He started putting his own songs on those
videos that he was playing online and a Fortnite in particular,
and people love what they heard. Now, these songs are macabre.
We're talking murder and mayhem and lots of blood and
(06:17):
just horrific scenery in your head. But that's what David
Burke was doing and it was from this online gaming
thing he developed a sing a music career. And not
gonna talk about talent or anything else, because obviously you
have to have talent to be able to do something
like that. With David Anthony Burke, he is innocent. I'll
(06:38):
proven guilty. I got to say this because everything we're
looking at looks really, really bad. It looks to me
as if David Anthony Burke became popular on making his
music videos his videos with his music again, hey way
to go. But part two of that is that it
(06:59):
opened him up to conversations with other people online. And
one of those people was a girl named Celeste Revas Hernandez.
Celeste Revas is from Lake Elsinor, California, and Celeste grew
up in a pretty wide open home. Celeste was a
known runaway. She left her home a lot. Whenever she
got mad with her folks, she would go spend the
(07:21):
night at another relative's house. I mean, this was common
in her family, that she had a wild streak. Not
blaming her, I'm not blaming the victim. I'm just trying
to point out because what you're about to hear seems unbelievable,
but it's very believable. I believe at the age of
twelve she looked older than that. But I believe at
(07:42):
the age of twelve she met David Burke online, and
I believe, based on their own videos pictures, that he
knew she was underage. As their relationship grew, people in
his inner circle thought she was nineteen. He's twenty. I
believe they've been together for three or four or five years.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
When I got to tell you these videos you're referring to,
and I know a lot of people have seen them,
you can see either she is masking her face or
he is spinning the camera or manipulating the camera so
that she cannot clearly be seen. And that's where a
lot of the mystery comes from. And listen, when it
(08:28):
doesn't matter, It really doesn't because if you look at
this from an evidentiary standpoint, and the tools that we
have just within forensics, digital forensics, particularly as it applies
to biometrics. You can identify her, you know, readily. Okay,
(08:49):
she's easy to identify it, just if they do face
captures on her. And then not to mention, you're going
to have all these peripheral individuals that are wandering in
and out and all about his circle, if you will,
that bore witness to her presence there. And also here's
(09:11):
something else, Dave is going to be the the the domestic,
the domestic arrangement that's going to be incredibly damning here
if this comes to light where we find out that
(09:31):
hear these conversations that investigators have been having. Now a
lot of it has been has been thrown back onto
the parents. And I understand while people are really hot
over that because she, as you mentioned, she was, I
don't know, a master of understatement here, of free spirit,
if you will. But she's in dwelling at this domicile.
(09:55):
And what were they were they in dwelling, same sleeping
quarters together? You know, had anybody seen them be intimate
with one another? And also is there any record of intimacy,
you know the world that we're in, you know people,
(10:18):
you know, film things, if you know what I mean.
And I wonder you know how deeply they've dug into
this element. I do know this. I do know this.
Coupled with this statement that there was a cadaver bag
(10:40):
containing human remains that appear to be hers, coupled that
with some of the other things that have been found
at this residence. I got to tell you, guys, I
didn't think the story could get any darker. Right now,
I can barely see my hand in front of my face.
(11:13):
You know, the fact that that we now have some
clarity about what was in the car. Uh, there's just
as much data in this thing that that actually goes
to a timeline about the car being moved about some
(11:34):
and not so much being moved about, but about how
the authorities actually interacted with the vehicle, which is which
is interesting because a lot has been made of the
fact that, uh, you know, we have remains obviously that
have been found in the vehicle. But in addition to that,
(11:54):
we begin to kind of understand what the progression was.
We actually have a sense of when the vehicle was
found by a citizen or at least, you know, like
serious attention was paid for it. And listen, let me
just kind of read this off to you. This is
in black and white. It's off of the appendices that
(12:15):
came off of this writ, and it'll kind of kind
of fill in some of the blanks here. So and
I quote, detectives were advised that on August twenty sixth,
twenty twenty five, a citizen reported the above dimentioned Tesla
as an abandoned vehicle parked across from fourteen oh five
(12:37):
Bluebird Street. On August twenty seventh. One day later, twenty
twenty five, Department of Transportation officers, Now, this is going
to be people that go around marking cars, that'll like
make check chalk marks on tires and they make like rounds.
After they've done that. It gives them a timing feature
(12:58):
as to how long a car is been in place.
They also issue parking tickets and these sorts of things. So,
Department of Transportation officers responded to Bluebird and marked the vehicle.
On September third, they returned to the vehicle and issued
(13:18):
a citation. Now I don't know what that citation actually is.
Is it actually a paper citation or is it something
that you get through an email, you know, because they
scanned something in But according to the writ, they issued
a citation on the third. Now jumping ahead to the fifth.
On September the fifth, twenty twenty five, Department of Transportation
(13:39):
impounded the vehicle to Hollywood Hollywood Toe. All right, so
Hollywood area Toe. And it was noted that the tesla
was registered to And this is how they This is
not me saying this, This is how the writ reads,
registered to tar Get David Anthony Burke. He gives his
(14:04):
home address in Hempstead, Texas. And then they go on say,
make note here that David, who is a singer and
performing artist, was on tour at the time the vehicle
was impounded. So that kind of frames it out, doesn't itay,
as far as the progression goes relative to the vehicle,
because the vehicle is our central point of it has
(14:29):
the most evidentary value. I'm not saying that the residence
doesn't have value, because it certainly does, because I think
some probably really rough stuff went on there. However, that
vehicle is a moving crime scene, okay, simply based on
the fact that, according to them, we've got human remains
inside of it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right, And that's when we started, you know, the investigation,
or the public investigation begins with the Tesla being at
the towyard. When the the odor comes out, they smell
it and call the cops. It was then that a
body was found. So everything that you just said is
(15:09):
stuff we had to back into. How did the car
get there? You know who put it there? And that's
when we went back even further. You talk about August
twenty sixth, you know that's in the paperwork. Well, now
we know, based on the investigative reporting we've been doing
on this since the story broke in September of twenty
twenty five, that the lad that vehicle, that Tesla that
(15:33):
was dirty and dented, that was parked in this upscale
neighborhood became an eyesore and neighbors complained about it multiple times,
and it would get moved. The car would be moved
into different areas along Bluebird Street and another one, but
all within eyesight of the house that was rented for
(15:53):
David Anthony Burke. The last time it was moved July thirtieth.
It was parked in the spot where it was towed
from on July the thirtieth, the same day that David
Anthony Burke left town with his best friend Neo to
begin his first World tour and he was out of town.
(16:15):
So carg gets parked that morning. And by the way,
PI Stephen Fisher has seen who was driving the car
the last time it was parked. He will not give
that information out.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I was going to say, I didn't think that Steven
had given it out now because he's going to We've
been on air with him several times. Yes, I got
to tell you to this point, he's been right on
the money with He's been a rock star just about everything.
And please can you please remind our friends who he represents.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So he actually was hired by the owner of the
rental home because when the story started to break, the
owner of the home, the home was rented to David
Anthony Burke's manager, and it was rented for David Anthony Burke.
This is not a cheap home, and at twenty grand
(17:05):
a month, you got to be making some coin to
foot that kind of bill, even out in La So
when the owner of the home saw what was going on,
I got to find out what happened in my home?
Did somebody get killed in my home? What's going on here?
And so up until that point he didn't really know,
and he hired Steve Fisher to find out, and so
Steve Fisher has been a huge source for most of
(17:27):
the information we have found out since because we backed
into it. Most of us had never heard of David
Anthony Burke D four VD. If you're under twenty five,
you probably didn't. If you're not a gamer, probably didn't.
But his first world tour was getting ready to take off.
He's had videos that have been viewed in the hundreds
of millions of times Joe for the Youth of the world.
(17:50):
He has become quite the entertainment figure and his career
was just getting ready to explode when this story broke. Yeah,
first role tour and by the way, something we have
found out. Remember now body is identified in September, his
World tour is underway. The body is found rather September eighth.
(18:14):
Between September the eighth and the seventeenth, when celestiy of
his body was identified, David Anthony Burke was on tour
playing dates. Nothing canceled even though a body was found
in the car registered to him. Now, I'm not calling
anybody out for this. That'll happen later, but I'm gonna
be honest with you. If I'm your manager, and we
(18:36):
just found the body of somebody in your car. You
aren't going to be We're going to sadvertise, you're not
going on stage, you know, no, we're going to find out.
But they didn't. The record label put him out there
and they said, it's not my job to worry about
what he does. My job to get the tour played
the dates.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So well, you know, you're talking about the fandom that's
out there. And I got to tell you from Jump
Street relative to this when I first heard that information drop.
And I'm not saying that he is guilty of anything,
but he's the owner of the vehicle, he is domiciled
at that residence. And you find this child's body in
(19:17):
the vehicle and you're still going to be out on tour.
It's arguably one of the more callous things I think.
And don't preach to me about business, all right, don't
preach to me about it's well, the show must go
on and anything else that you want to say. You're
talking about this young woman's body that was found in
his vehicle and you're still going to be playing gigs.
(19:40):
It's I don't know, it does not that is a
really bad looking moving forward here.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Dave. But one thing to point out from his Yeah,
when her body was identified on the seventeenth, everything stopped.
And it only stopped because body was identified. If that
body was not identified as lesttery of us a missing
girl from Lake Elsinor who was fourteen, because at first
(20:07):
they reported it as fifteen. She turned fifteen in the
trunk of that car in the front, you know, but
her body she'd been dead for a while at that point.
I mean, you don't die today and then tomorrow find
yourself in bags in the front of a car, decomposing
and in parts because part of her is in one
bag and part of her is in another. Correct.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. And this goes to I got
to tell you this has got a real dark aspect
to it, Dave. I think you know I've mentioned this,
but it deserves, you know, repeat here. There are a
lot of little dark points along along the continuum, as
(20:48):
we've learned with this particular case, all we have to
do is go back to what Steven had talked about.
I think it's from him that we got this information
about the burn cage that was found at that residence.
And this thing burns David. You know, I was chatting
with some colleagues about this because the case, you know,
(21:11):
forensically is it's a pretty incredible case study if you're
trying to educate your students. The burn cage itself, which
can be purchased at any big box store like Home
Depot or Low's or you name it. I don't know,
maybe you could order one from Ace Hardware for all
I know. But this thing actually burns harder, hotter rather
(21:34):
than a crematory. What yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It was less, Joe. I assumed.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
It all depends on how you manage it. And one
of the things that it does is that it renders
down brush safely, so you can chop up stuff, put
it in there. You're out on property, you can set
this stuff ablaze. And then we have have these tools,
you know, that were found. I think that there's like
(22:04):
a chainsaw, and you know, I asked, I asked Steven
the private investigator. This is kind of interesting because I
don't know if this is accurate or not, but I
would say that the ZIP code where this tesla was
recovered from it is probably wealth wise. It's probably in
the top fifty at least, right with Hollywood Hills. I
(22:27):
mean in the US perhaps you know, I know that Fallon, well,
I don't know about Fallon, but Kimmel Kimmel lives up there.
I mean, there's tons of stars that live around this area,
and you're talking about twenty k a month. But anyway,
back I digress. I asked Steve, and I said, so,
let me ask something, Stephen. Is it necessary if you're
(22:52):
paying twenty k a month for this place? It's almost
laughable when you think about do you have your own landscaping?
And he kind of chuckled when I said that, And
I didn't necessarily say it tongue in cheek, but I
think I kind of was. He's like, no, all of
that's included. So I'm not going to need to go
(23:13):
out and buy a chainsaw. I'm not gonna need to
go out and buy a rubbish burner or you know
this burn cage thing by the way, which is illegal,
it's illegal to use where he's living. Absolutely, I mean,
we're looking at we're in the we're literally in the waken.
You and I have had had had a friend of
(23:33):
ours that lost her home in Palisades fire, and literally
we're you know, we're we're in the wake of this thing.
There's a reason why they have burn limits out there
because everything's so brutal and it'll go up in a flash.
But yet these things are purchased and they're there. There's
no evidence that they had ever been used. However, yeah,
(23:57):
why do you have them? And that brings me back
to a daver back? You know, why do you have
a cadaver back? When when they went into this Tesla Dave,
when they open this thing up, they did find bagged remains,
and they made a very specific point of saying this
(24:20):
was a cadaver back. Okay, and again, these can be purchased.
It's no big deal going to Amazon. Literally, I urge
everybody within the sound of my voice, good Amazon, all right. Now.
They ain't paying me nothing, you know, for saying this.
But everybody uses Amazon. A lot of people do go
to Amazon and just plug in the words cadaver back
(24:43):
and see what pops up. And people use them for
all kinds of things, you know, getting rid of animal
remains and decoration. And I guess you could get rid
of human remains or contain them this way. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, Joe, think about this now. You and I talked
about this off the air, but you know his videos
and things like that that he has done included bloody
shirts and bloody attire and things like that. It's all
about murdering mayhem anyway, So kudaver Bag, from his standpoint,
could be purchased for any number of things by David
Anthony Burke. The thing here is not that they were
(25:19):
purchased because again, based on his material, I can see
where it would be used in the video. However, the
artist who has a record label behind them, they don't
have to provide stuff to shoot the video with. Okay
that back in the day the Go Gos remember them,
Oh yeah, yeah, remember the first album they had where
(25:39):
I had the girls on like they just got out
of the shower and they had the towels on. Okay,
they were so broke and they had no deal in
the label that those towels. Actually they went to a
Sears and got the towels off the rack, saved the
receipts and then took them back after the photo shoot.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Reverse for them. Yeah, oh, I'm sorry to get.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Their money back back. Yeah, they took them back, got
their money. Yeah, that's not the case here, Okay, David
Anthony Burke has plenty of cash if he needs to
buy something, but he's not going to have to buy
it for the videos, because that's already been done. But
the worst thing about this, if you really take it
the step further, is that while we could find legitimate
reasons for him to have a cadaver bag that have
(26:19):
nothing to do with a dead body, his cadaver bag
has a dead body in it, part of a dead body,
and that part of the dead body is a girl
who he was with for at least two years and
tried to deny in video form, in photo form, no
matter where they were, if they were on video somewhere,
(26:39):
her face was obsconbed some way obscured. Yeah, and they
together knew it, and they together did that, Joe. It
wasn't like he alone tried to do it. She continually
covered her face, so Lesreevius did. Now, we are not
accusing anyone of anything, merely pointing out some factual things
about this case and being a human being, the mere
(27:03):
thought that another human beings body was found in your
vehicle and you were the one having your vehicle moved
up and down the street, a vehicle that was your
regular driver up until the part where you parked it
dented and dirty on the side of the street, and
then this body shows up in the front and you
act like it's no big deal. Sorry, friend, we need
(27:25):
to look a little deeper at you, and by the way,
your family, because your family won't show up and testify
in front of a grand jury if you haven't done
anything wrong. How do they know anything? I mean that, Joe,
why do they need to come and talk to a
grand jury? Because they're fighting. They're saying, we want to
know why you want us. I don't think you're allowed
(27:45):
to do that, are you?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No? No? I mean, well, look, you can attempt to
do anything you want to. People can attempt to be
a good person. They can attempt to obscure the truth.
But when those police officers opened that storage area infamously
(28:09):
known now as the front, they saw something in there
that probably even by their standards, shocked them. Once they
opened that back. You know, Dave, as we're laying this down,
(28:37):
you know, we've we've got the guphere Guthrie case going
on and talking about the how it was handled and
the release of the scene and all these sorts of things.
As a matter of fact, we just laid down two
new episodes that have recently premiered. I find it very
interesting and in this writ that when writing this thing,
(29:04):
they were very specific in talking about the gloved hands
of the investigators out out at the scene of this,
which I was. I was fascinated by it, and you
had made mention of it, I think earlier in a
conversation we had had off air Dave. Not only did
(29:24):
they mention that that their investigators out there had warn gloves,
they mentioned something about the color of the gloves even didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
They Has that ever even been mentioned in anything you've
read before in a legal document?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, And and listen, you know, as a as a
forensics guy, I've worn a multitude of colors of gloves.
I have had black as these are referred to as
did you know when when I used to work in
a morgue on a daily basis? You know what I
wore in there, go guys, the gloves that I wore.
(30:00):
They weren't surgical gloves.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I wore.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I wore yellow platext gloves like you see. You know
that people wear to wash wash dishes with and because
they were thick and you cut yourself or you cut
those gloves during autopsies regularly, so I would put on
regular surgical pair of gloves and I throw the yellow
gloves on over the top. And another interesting little aside.
(30:28):
I was in that first generation of people that we
had to do autopsies on people that well we suspected.
I treated everybody like they had full blown aids when
they would oh yeahs at the height and dave they
had created I'll never forget this. They had created these
mesh gloves. And when I say mesh, I'm not talking
about nylon. I'm talking about these were metal mesh gloves
(30:53):
that people would wear and they were supposed to prevent
needlesticks and scalpel cut.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
The Fourth Musketeer had some of those.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, well I got let me tell you what
I had after I wore those, Man, I got such
a pump on my forearms at the end of the day.
If you do five or six autopsies with these things on,
and don't don't ask me to quote the weight, but
you can you can feel it. And you know, one
of the things that you have to do in this environment,
(31:23):
your your your tactile ability is crucial because you have
to You couldn't feel anything through these damn things.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
It was horrible.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So I just it's like, I'm not wearing these anymore now.
I ceased wearing them anyway. So yeah, I've one worn
all kinds of colors of gloves, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So why would they mention that these gloves are black?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I don't know, And that's there's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Not a legitimate minute, there's not a real reason. They
just did it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well, you know, here's the thing. Uh, In my cadaver
lab at at jack State, where I'm regularly doing dissections
on human remains, I wear blue glae gloves minor blue.
That's the ones that I wear, the exam gloves I wear.
But my colleagues that are going out to work scenes
(32:09):
are wearing black. They wear black ones. I've seen people
wear clear gloves. I've seen people wear surgical gloves. So
it's just it's interesting that they would just write that down.
I think that they really wanted to emphasize this is
my thought, Okay, my ten cents for whatever it's worth.
I think not only did they want to emphasize see continuity,
(32:33):
you know, going back to you know I made mentioned
about Guthrie just a moment ago. Yeah, they wanted to
at least communicate to whoever was going to read this
writ that they were taking specific precautions when they went
out there. Why is that Well, a lot of it
(32:54):
has to do with obviously transfer transfer evidence, and you're
gonna be specific. Hey, boys, not only were wearing rubber gloves,
We're gonna wear black rubber gloves. Okay, And maybe I
don't know that, might hey listen, that could be in
their standard sop. We don't. For whatever, It's amazing what
(33:15):
organizations will do. And I know people out there have
sat around and they've read things before in their sop.
When the boss comes and tells you something, to say, what,
why is this necessary to be this this specific about
this there's a reason. I haven't put my finger on it.
But they're emphasizing the fact that they're wearing gloves. But
(33:36):
that aside. They made note of going into rather granular
detail that there were insects all over the outside of
what they're terming. And this is the authorities because they're writing,
they're the they're the genesis for this report. They're writing
that there was insect activity on the outside of.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
This cadaver back Dave. Where does that tell you?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, it tells me that you've at least got one
generation of flies that's in dwelling there, and that God,
this is going to sound really cold, but this is reality. Okay.
The smell, the smell of human decay is like ringing
the dinner bell for the insect world, and they smell
(34:29):
on a spectrum that none of us can even fathom, Okay,
kind of like dogs do, but only I think it's
probably a bit more intense because that's how they live
their life. You know, they lived their life in order
to eat, mate and make babies. And that's it. You know.
(34:54):
I sound like Richard Dreyfus and Jaws, where he's talking about,
you know, the perfect, perfect killing machine, you know, eat
and make baby sharks, and that's that's what they do.
But that's what flies do, okay, and other insects that
are associated with this, and that smell, that smell is ringing,
ringing the dinner bell. I'm just really wondering how long
(35:18):
had the smell been present, And I don't know that
that will at this point in time that we can
necessarily hone in on this because I've held from the
beginning that I felt as though that the decomposition the
postmarum interval may have been skewed in some way or
(35:41):
retarded in the sense that it's not on a normal course.
Like if you took a body and just laid it outside, okay,
and you didn't touch it, you know, like they do
with the body farm. This is something different. You've got
It would seem at least that you've got multiple people
handling these remains, or at least one and so, and
(36:02):
they're moving them from various environments. We know for a
fact that they're moving this car around correct.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And that was documented. You know, that's the whole thing.
Like when you document the last time the vehicle moved
and you've got July thirtieth, Yeah, then, and you know
that it wasn't moved after and you've got video pictures
of it the entire time from there on out, and
you see that no one approaches the car and nobody
(36:30):
gets in the car, and nothing is added to or
taken out of the car from July thirtieth until it's toad.
So you've got that documentation there for four weeks. And
that's why I was wondering, Joe, if there is a
body in a cadaver bag, I would have thought that
that bag would be sealed up and would not allow
(36:55):
the smell to go out. Okay, but there's more than
just the cadaverage bag here, because there's another bag and
it's not called the cadaver.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The cadaver bag.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Tell me what's in that one?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Well, we've got the remainder of the of the body
in there.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
What do we have in We got cadaver bag and
then secondary bag. But their body has been cut up.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, the body. The body has been cut up, and
there was there's been a lot of talk about this
as to well, I think firstly, where was it cut up?
That's more important to me than how it was found,
because we have to well I don't have to do anything.
The police have to identify the specific location, and i'll
(37:41):
call it this now, the specific location of the dismemberment. Well,
you know at the head of the list here, Okay,
it's going to be this residence, Okay, it it. I
can't imagine that it would have been done somewhere else.
It seems rather cumbersome because this is your your central
gathering point. It's also where the domestic life goes on.
(38:07):
You're sleeping there, you're eating there, you're doing whatever it
is that you do there, and you've got you've got
tom and you've got protection. You know you can you
can dismember a body, say, for instance, in a protected space.
I'm thinking garage, bathroom. Okay, no one's going to be
(38:32):
the wiser, and no one's watching you unless Joe, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
An amateur ye taking a part of body. You and
I have talked about this many times about what actually
transpires when you do this with a body that is
filled with blood and everything else. And I would just
have to think that unless you're a professional with professional
tools and professional ground cloth, wallcloth and the ceiling cloth,
(39:03):
without all that, there's going to be a way that
I'm going to come into that house and I'm going
to be able to tell where you did it and
when you did it, just because of the remains of
the blood that there was no way you could have
cleaned up that and tissue, hair, all the other things
that are part that make up our human body. You know,
(39:23):
that's got to go somewhere and it doesn't all end
up down a drain.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And here's the thing, Dave, on the ends of these bones.
So even though and this is my I'm speculating here.
Even though you know these bones are still encapsulated, I
would think in soft tissue, the bone is going to
be sticking out. Now, let me tell you what I
(39:48):
think they probably did at autopsy, or at least it's
what it's what I would have done. Okay, first off,
photographing thoroughly. Okay, everything, I mean, just the photography alone
back at the Morgue would take a protracted period of
(40:09):
time with them without scale. I am I am going
to take Let's just say, if you've got a severed leg,
I'm going to take that leg and where it has
been severed. Okay, let's just say, and I don't know
this for a fact, I'm just throwing this out there.
Let's just say it's at the top end of the femur. Okay,
(40:33):
longest bone in the body. I am going to isolate
that area, trim away all of the soft tissue, and
I'm keeping that bone. I am keeping that bone. And
the reason I'm going to keep that bone is that
when I get it prepped, I want the folks at
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the tool Mark section with La County the criminalist over there.
I want them to take a look at it, and
when they examine the sing not just grossly, which means
with the unaided eye, but when they put this thing
on a scope, and it might just be like a
magnification scope. You wouldn't need anything high mag with this.
(41:17):
They're going to be able to see marks on that bone,
brother Dave. And when they see the marks on that bone,
those people are so good. And two more people are
some of the coolest people in the world. You talk
about paying attention to detail or like watchmakers. All right,
they will be able to look at those triations on
that bone and they will say, Okay, I got three
(41:41):
potential tools that were used here. I can tell you
what it ain't. This is what you're going to be
looking for. So are we talking about something that's like
a spinning saw, you know, like a table saw or
skill saw, or we talking something that's kind of like
a pump jack. If you're talking about a sawsaw that's
(42:03):
going up and down, up and down, almost like the
needle on a sewing machine, is it mechanically driven or
is it human powered? And that looks completely different. Okay,
you can tell when something's been machined as opposed to
somebody using a hand tool. It's glaring to these people.
(42:23):
So this is going to be a big part of
this evidence, I think, and we go back to what
we know about these remains, Dave, you know what I
think is going to be one of the most damning
pieces of evidence in this whole thing, this whole thing.
If he is involved, or any of his friends are involved,
(42:49):
they don't trim hedges, they don't plant gardens, they entertain people.
They did not show up. I cannot imagine in any
circumstance with a whole array of tools. They will have
had to have purchased these tools. And we're going to
see a timeline that's going to be developed per this.
(43:14):
If you ordered something online like a handsaw, hack saw,
skill saw, it doesn't matter. That's going to be in
the queue. If you ordered a cadaver bag, that's going
to be in the queue.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Shee whiz.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
You order a burncage, yeah, that's definitely going to be
in the queue. Hey a brand new chainsaw, Yeah, Hey,
that's in the queue too. Now, I'm not saying that
all of that damns anybody, but for my money, I
can tell you this as an old forensic investigator, it
(43:53):
certainly will give me pause. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
this is bodybacks. Mm hmm
Bodydas but Joseph scotten.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
More, there's a passage comes out of the Bible, and
I'm not much of a biblical scholar, but it simply says,
this a study to show thyself approved. And over the
(00:26):
past few months, I would say that there is a
particular case that has been I don't know, occupying a
lot of space in the papers. As they used to say,
they're slinging a lot of ink regarding this case. And
(00:48):
this past week, after a bit of silence, we've gotten
some new news and I felt as though that it
was incumbent upon me to hop on with brother Dave
and have a conversation. It's in regards to a car
(01:09):
that was located at fourteen five Bluebird Street in Los Angeles, California.
That car was a Tesla and the person who in
fact had this car it was a subject by the
(01:32):
name of d four.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
VD.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Backs from
Jump Street. Dave. I want to tell you something this
appendix of this writ of Habeas Corpus that was released
this past week, there was something that reached through my
screen and grabbed me by the throat. As I was
(01:59):
reading it. And I've had several several news platforms that
you know, they gave me the hum sound, you know,
like what is what does this mean? And and here
here it is reading reading this appendix in regards to
this writ there's a subsection in there where they refer
(02:25):
to the body, this positively identified body of CELESE. Reeves
as part of her remains were contained in a cadaver back.
And Dave, I don't know about you. That's not something
(02:45):
that I come across on crime scenes. I don't remember
a single crime scene that I have ever worked, either
as a practitioner or have covered as person that works
in the media now and teaches. I've never had a
case where I've had a body that was found in
(03:09):
a cadaver back. Now they're using the term cadaver bag, okay,
And I just so that there is no misunderstanding here
or misinterpretation. This is a body bag, just like the
name of the show. And here's something interesting. Do you
know what they were called before they were called bodybags?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Day no no idea.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Disaster pouches. Really yeah, disaster pouches. It was a very
popular term. And they haven't always been made out of
plastic they used to be made of like heavy canvas,
if you can believe, almost like sail like sailing canvas,
you know. But anyway, these remains, these remains that are
found inside of this tesla. Now we have kind of
(03:56):
a peak behind the curtain, if you will. They're actively
working this crom scene, and the idea is they've they've
feeled us back and we're seeing now. You know, there's
been a lot of mystery shrouding this whole thing, and
we haven't really known much. And I understand that it's
an active investigation, not judging, okay, but most of it
(04:19):
has been speculative. In this particular case, Sodave, we have
some confirmation that there's a body back involved in this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well not just confirmation, I mean, you've got it right
there in you know, whatever color you want to call it,
black and white, red and white legal documentation. Here's what
we're talking about is the death of Celeste Reevas. Her
body is found in a tesla owned by the up
and coming singer known as D four VD. Actually that's
(04:51):
just how he spells it. He pronounces a David. It's
just a creative way to spell David Anthony Burke. Okay,
David Anthony Burke is the guy's name. He's twenty years old.
He actually began a career singing because he was a
video game player online and he would record himself playing
(05:11):
videos and he would upload those videos to YouTube, and
he used current music on his videos, and they became
popular because other players watched to learn new tricks at
the game and things like that, and all of a sudden,
one day, YouTube basically bounced him because he didn't have
He was copyright infringement. You can't use songs without permission,
(05:35):
and so he was defunded and that was where his
money was coming from. And he's complaining to his mom,
all right, his mom, over and over. He's telling herm,
I can't believe them they got the money. And finally
she got frustrated. She was, according to him, she was
on the phone with doing business and she said, David,
why don't you just go sing your own songs? Just
stop it, leave me alone. And that's what he did.
(05:56):
He downloaded an app on his iPhone, went into his
sister's closet and made up a and that led to
his career. He started putting his own songs on those
videos that he was playing online and a Fortnite in particular,
and people love what they heard. Now, these songs are macabre.
We're talking murder and mayhem and lots of blood and
(06:17):
just horrific scenery in your head. But that's what David
Burke was doing and it was from this online gaming
thing he developed a sing a music career. And not
gonna talk about talent or anything else, because obviously you
have to have talent to be able to do something
like that. With David Anthony Burke, he is innocent. I'll
(06:38):
proven guilty. I got to say this because everything we're
looking at looks really, really bad. It looks to me
as if David Anthony Burke became popular on making his
music videos his videos with his music again, hey way
to go. But part two of that is that it
(06:59):
opened him up to conversations with other people online. And
one of those people was a girl named Celeste Revas Hernandez.
Celeste Revas is from Lake Elsinor, California, and Celeste grew
up in a pretty wide open home. Celeste was a
known runaway. She left her home a lot. Whenever she
got mad with her folks, she would go spend the
(07:21):
night at another relative's house. I mean, this was common
in her family, that she had a wild streak. Not
blaming her, I'm not blaming the victim. I'm just trying
to point out because what you're about to hear seems unbelievable,
but it's very believable. I believe at the age of
twelve she looked older than that. But I believe at
(07:42):
the age of twelve she met David Burke online, and
I believe, based on their own videos pictures, that he
knew she was underage. As their relationship grew, people in
his inner circle thought she was nineteen. He's twenty. I
believe they've been together for three or four or five years.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
When I got to tell you these videos you're referring to,
and I know a lot of people have seen them,
you can see either she is masking her face or
he is spinning the camera or manipulating the camera so
that she cannot clearly be seen. And that's where a
lot of the mystery comes from. And listen, when it
(08:28):
doesn't matter, It really doesn't because if you look at
this from an evidentiary standpoint, and the tools that we
have just within forensics, digital forensics, particularly as it applies
to biometrics. You can identify her, you know, readily. Okay,
(08:49):
she's easy to identify it, just if they do face
captures on her. And then not to mention, you're going
to have all these peripheral individuals that are wandering in
and out and all about his circle, if you will,
that bore witness to her presence there. And also here's
(09:11):
something else, Dave is going to be the the the domestic,
the domestic arrangement that's going to be incredibly damning here
if this comes to light where we find out that
(09:31):
hear these conversations that investigators have been having. Now a
lot of it has been has been thrown back onto
the parents. And I understand while people are really hot
over that because she, as you mentioned, she was, I
don't know, a master of understatement here, of free spirit,
if you will. But she's in dwelling at this domicile.
(09:55):
And what were they were they in dwelling, same sleeping
quarters together? You know, had anybody seen them be intimate
with one another? And also is there any record of intimacy,
you know the world that we're in, you know people,
(10:18):
you know, film things, if you know what I mean.
And I wonder you know how deeply they've dug into
this element. I do know this. I do know this.
Coupled with this statement that there was a cadaver bag
(10:40):
containing human remains that appear to be hers, coupled that
with some of the other things that have been found
at this residence. I got to tell you, guys, I
didn't think the story could get any darker. Right now,
I can barely see my hand in front of my face.
(11:13):
You know, the fact that that we now have some
clarity about what was in the car. Uh, there's just
as much data in this thing that that actually goes
to a timeline about the car being moved about some
(11:34):
and not so much being moved about, but about how
the authorities actually interacted with the vehicle, which is which
is interesting because a lot has been made of the
fact that, uh, you know, we have remains obviously that
have been found in the vehicle. But in addition to that,
(11:54):
we begin to kind of understand what the progression was.
We actually have a sense of when the vehicle was
found by a citizen or at least, you know, like
serious attention was paid for it. And listen, let me
just kind of read this off to you. This is
in black and white. It's off of the appendices that
(12:15):
came off of this writ, and it'll kind of kind
of fill in some of the blanks here. So and
I quote, detectives were advised that on August twenty sixth,
twenty twenty five, a citizen reported the above dimentioned Tesla
as an abandoned vehicle parked across from fourteen oh five
(12:37):
Bluebird Street. On August twenty seventh. One day later, twenty
twenty five, Department of Transportation officers, Now, this is going
to be people that go around marking cars, that'll like
make check chalk marks on tires and they make like rounds.
After they've done that. It gives them a timing feature
(12:58):
as to how long a car is been in place.
They also issue parking tickets and these sorts of things. So,
Department of Transportation officers responded to Bluebird and marked the vehicle.
On September third, they returned to the vehicle and issued
(13:18):
a citation. Now I don't know what that citation actually is.
Is it actually a paper citation or is it something
that you get through an email, you know, because they
scanned something in But according to the writ, they issued
a citation on the third. Now jumping ahead to the fifth.
On September the fifth, twenty twenty five, Department of Transportation
(13:39):
impounded the vehicle to Hollywood Hollywood Toe. All right, so
Hollywood area Toe. And it was noted that the tesla
was registered to And this is how they This is
not me saying this, This is how the writ reads,
registered to tar Get David Anthony Burke. He gives his
(14:04):
home address in Hempstead, Texas. And then they go on say,
make note here that David, who is a singer and
performing artist, was on tour at the time the vehicle
was impounded. So that kind of frames it out, doesn't itay,
as far as the progression goes relative to the vehicle,
because the vehicle is our central point of it has
(14:29):
the most evidentary value. I'm not saying that the residence
doesn't have value, because it certainly does, because I think
some probably really rough stuff went on there. However, that
vehicle is a moving crime scene, okay, simply based on
the fact that, according to them, we've got human remains
inside of it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right, And that's when we started, you know, the investigation,
or the public investigation begins with the Tesla being at
the towyard. When the the odor comes out, they smell
it and call the cops. It was then that a
body was found. So everything that you just said is
(15:09):
stuff we had to back into. How did the car
get there? You know who put it there? And that's
when we went back even further. You talk about August
twenty sixth, you know that's in the paperwork. Well, now
we know, based on the investigative reporting we've been doing
on this since the story broke in September of twenty
twenty five, that the lad that vehicle, that Tesla that
(15:33):
was dirty and dented, that was parked in this upscale
neighborhood became an eyesore and neighbors complained about it multiple times,
and it would get moved. The car would be moved
into different areas along Bluebird Street and another one, but
all within eyesight of the house that was rented for
(15:53):
David Anthony Burke. The last time it was moved July thirtieth.
It was parked in the spot where it was towed
from on July the thirtieth, the same day that David
Anthony Burke left town with his best friend Neo to
begin his first World tour and he was out of town.
(16:15):
So carg gets parked that morning. And by the way,
PI Stephen Fisher has seen who was driving the car
the last time it was parked. He will not give
that information out.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I was going to say, I didn't think that Steven
had given it out now because he's going to We've
been on air with him several times. Yes, I got
to tell you to this point, he's been right on
the money with He's been a rock star just about everything.
And please can you please remind our friends who he represents.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
So he actually was hired by the owner of the
rental home because when the story started to break, the
owner of the home, the home was rented to David
Anthony Burke's manager, and it was rented for David Anthony Burke.
This is not a cheap home, and at twenty grand
(17:05):
a month, you got to be making some coin to
foot that kind of bill, even out in La So
when the owner of the home saw what was going on,
I got to find out what happened in my home?
Did somebody get killed in my home? What's going on here?
And so up until that point he didn't really know,
and he hired Steve Fisher to find out, and so
Steve Fisher has been a huge source for most of
(17:27):
the information we have found out since because we backed
into it. Most of us had never heard of David
Anthony Burke D four VD. If you're under twenty five,
you probably didn't. If you're not a gamer, probably didn't.
But his first world tour was getting ready to take off.
He's had videos that have been viewed in the hundreds
of millions of times Joe for the Youth of the world.
(17:50):
He has become quite the entertainment figure and his career
was just getting ready to explode when this story broke. Yeah,
first role tour and by the way, something we have
found out. Remember now body is identified in September, his
World tour is underway. The body is found rather September eighth.
(18:14):
Between September the eighth and the seventeenth, when celestiy of
his body was identified, David Anthony Burke was on tour
playing dates. Nothing canceled even though a body was found
in the car registered to him. Now, I'm not calling
anybody out for this. That'll happen later, but I'm gonna
be honest with you. If I'm your manager, and we
(18:36):
just found the body of somebody in your car. You
aren't going to be We're going to sadvertise, you're not
going on stage, you know, no, we're going to find out.
But they didn't. The record label put him out there
and they said, it's not my job to worry about
what he does. My job to get the tour played
the dates.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So well, you know, you're talking about the fandom that's
out there. And I got to tell you from Jump
Street relative to this when I first heard that information drop.
And I'm not saying that he is guilty of anything,
but he's the owner of the vehicle, he is domiciled
at that residence. And you find this child's body in
(19:17):
the vehicle and you're still going to be out on tour.
It's arguably one of the more callous things I think.
And don't preach to me about business, all right, don't
preach to me about it's well, the show must go
on and anything else that you want to say. You're
talking about this young woman's body that was found in
his vehicle and you're still going to be playing gigs.
(19:40):
It's I don't know, it does not that is a
really bad looking moving forward here.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Dave. But one thing to point out from his Yeah,
when her body was identified on the seventeenth, everything stopped.
And it only stopped because body was identified. If that
body was not identified as lesttery of us a missing
girl from Lake Elsinor who was fourteen, because at first
(20:07):
they reported it as fifteen. She turned fifteen in the
trunk of that car in the front, you know, but
her body she'd been dead for a while at that point.
I mean, you don't die today and then tomorrow find
yourself in bags in the front of a car, decomposing
and in parts because part of her is in one
bag and part of her is in another. Correct.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. And this goes to I got
to tell you this has got a real dark aspect
to it, Dave. I think you know I've mentioned this,
but it deserves, you know, repeat here. There are a
lot of little dark points along along the continuum, as
(20:48):
we've learned with this particular case, all we have to
do is go back to what Steven had talked about.
I think it's from him that we got this information
about the burn cage that was found at that residence.
And this thing burns David. You know, I was chatting
with some colleagues about this because the case, you know,
(21:11):
forensically is it's a pretty incredible case study if you're
trying to educate your students. The burn cage itself, which
can be purchased at any big box store like Home
Depot or Low's or you name it. I don't know,
maybe you could order one from Ace Hardware for all
I know. But this thing actually burns harder, hotter rather
(21:34):
than a crematory. What yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It was less, Joe. I assumed.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
It all depends on how you manage it. And one
of the things that it does is that it renders
down brush safely, so you can chop up stuff, put
it in there. You're out on property, you can set
this stuff ablaze. And then we have have these tools,
you know, that were found. I think that there's like
(22:04):
a chainsaw, and you know, I asked, I asked Steven
the private investigator. This is kind of interesting because I
don't know if this is accurate or not, but I
would say that the ZIP code where this tesla was
recovered from it is probably wealth wise. It's probably in
the top fifty at least, right with Hollywood Hills. I
(22:27):
mean in the US perhaps you know, I know that Fallon, well,
I don't know about Fallon, but Kimmel Kimmel lives up there.
I mean, there's tons of stars that live around this area,
and you're talking about twenty k a month. But anyway,
back I digress. I asked Steve, and I said, so,
let me ask something, Stephen. Is it necessary if you're
(22:52):
paying twenty k a month for this place? It's almost
laughable when you think about do you have your own landscaping?
And he kind of chuckled when I said that, And
I didn't necessarily say it tongue in cheek, but I
think I kind of was. He's like, no, all of
that's included. So I'm not going to need to go
(23:13):
out and buy a chainsaw. I'm not gonna need to
go out and buy a rubbish burner or you know
this burn cage thing by the way, which is illegal,
it's illegal to use where he's living. Absolutely, I mean,
we're looking at we're in the we're literally in the waken.
You and I have had had had a friend of
(23:33):
ours that lost her home in Palisades fire, and literally
we're you know, we're we're in the wake of this thing.
There's a reason why they have burn limits out there
because everything's so brutal and it'll go up in a flash.
But yet these things are purchased and they're there. There's
no evidence that they had ever been used. However, yeah,
(23:57):
why do you have them? And that brings me back
to a daver back? You know, why do you have
a cadaver back? When when they went into this Tesla Dave,
when they open this thing up, they did find bagged remains,
and they made a very specific point of saying this
(24:20):
was a cadaver back. Okay, and again, these can be purchased.
It's no big deal going to Amazon. Literally, I urge
everybody within the sound of my voice, good Amazon, all right. Now.
They ain't paying me nothing, you know, for saying this.
But everybody uses Amazon. A lot of people do go
to Amazon and just plug in the words cadaver back
(24:43):
and see what pops up. And people use them for
all kinds of things, you know, getting rid of animal
remains and decoration. And I guess you could get rid
of human remains or contain them this way. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, Joe, think about this now. You and I talked
about this off the air, but you know his videos
and things like that that he has done included bloody
shirts and bloody attire and things like that. It's all
about murdering mayhem anyway, So kudaver Bag, from his standpoint,
could be purchased for any number of things by David
Anthony Burke. The thing here is not that they were
(25:19):
purchased because again, based on his material, I can see
where it would be used in the video. However, the
artist who has a record label behind them, they don't
have to provide stuff to shoot the video with. Okay
that back in the day the Go Gos remember them,
Oh yeah, yeah, remember the first album they had where
(25:39):
I had the girls on like they just got out
of the shower and they had the towels on. Okay,
they were so broke and they had no deal in
the label that those towels. Actually they went to a
Sears and got the towels off the rack, saved the
receipts and then took them back after the photo shoot.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Reverse for them. Yeah, oh, I'm sorry to get.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Their money back back. Yeah, they took them back, got
their money. Yeah, that's not the case here, Okay, David
Anthony Burke has plenty of cash if he needs to
buy something, but he's not going to have to buy
it for the videos, because that's already been done. But
the worst thing about this, if you really take it
the step further, is that while we could find legitimate
reasons for him to have a cadaver bag that have
(26:19):
nothing to do with a dead body, his cadaver bag
has a dead body in it, part of a dead body,
and that part of the dead body is a girl
who he was with for at least two years and
tried to deny in video form, in photo form, no
matter where they were, if they were on video somewhere,
(26:39):
her face was obsconbed some way obscured. Yeah, and they
together knew it, and they together did that, Joe. It
wasn't like he alone tried to do it. She continually
covered her face, so Lesreevius did. Now, we are not
accusing anyone of anything, merely pointing out some factual things
about this case and being a human being, the mere
(27:03):
thought that another human beings body was found in your
vehicle and you were the one having your vehicle moved
up and down the street, a vehicle that was your
regular driver up until the part where you parked it
dented and dirty on the side of the street, and
then this body shows up in the front and you
act like it's no big deal. Sorry, friend, we need
(27:25):
to look a little deeper at you, and by the way,
your family, because your family won't show up and testify
in front of a grand jury if you haven't done
anything wrong. How do they know anything? I mean that, Joe,
why do they need to come and talk to a
grand jury? Because they're fighting. They're saying, we want to
know why you want us. I don't think you're allowed
(27:45):
to do that, are you?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No? No? I mean, well, look, you can attempt to
do anything you want to. People can attempt to be
a good person. They can attempt to obscure the truth.
But when those police officers opened that storage area infamously
(28:09):
known now as the front, they saw something in there
that probably even by their standards, shocked them. Once they
opened that back. You know, Dave, as we're laying this down,
(28:37):
you know, we've we've got the guphere Guthrie case going
on and talking about the how it was handled and
the release of the scene and all these sorts of things.
As a matter of fact, we just laid down two
new episodes that have recently premiered. I find it very
interesting and in this writ that when writing this thing,
(29:04):
they were very specific in talking about the gloved hands
of the investigators out out at the scene of this,
which I was. I was fascinated by it, and you
had made mention of it, I think earlier in a
conversation we had had off air Dave. Not only did
(29:24):
they mention that that their investigators out there had warn gloves,
they mentioned something about the color of the gloves even didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
They Has that ever even been mentioned in anything you've
read before in a legal document?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, And and listen, you know, as a as a
forensics guy, I've worn a multitude of colors of gloves.
I have had black as these are referred to as
did you know when when I used to work in
a morgue on a daily basis? You know what I
wore in there, go guys, the gloves that I wore.
(30:00):
They weren't surgical gloves.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I wore.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I wore yellow platext gloves like you see. You know
that people wear to wash wash dishes with and because
they were thick and you cut yourself or you cut
those gloves during autopsies regularly, so I would put on
regular surgical pair of gloves and I throw the yellow
gloves on over the top. And another interesting little aside.
(30:28):
I was in that first generation of people that we
had to do autopsies on people that well we suspected.
I treated everybody like they had full blown aids when
they would oh yeahs at the height and dave they
had created I'll never forget this. They had created these
mesh gloves. And when I say mesh, I'm not talking
about nylon. I'm talking about these were metal mesh gloves
(30:53):
that people would wear and they were supposed to prevent
needlesticks and scalpel cut.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
The Fourth Musketeer had some of those.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, well I got let me tell you what
I had after I wore those, Man, I got such
a pump on my forearms at the end of the day.
If you do five or six autopsies with these things on,
and don't don't ask me to quote the weight, but
you can you can feel it. And you know, one
of the things that you have to do in this environment,
(31:23):
your your your tactile ability is crucial because you have
to You couldn't feel anything through these damn things.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
It was horrible.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So I just it's like, I'm not wearing these anymore now.
I ceased wearing them anyway. So yeah, I've one worn
all kinds of colors of gloves, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So why would they mention that these gloves are black?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I don't know, And that's there's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Not a legitimate minute, there's not a real reason. They
just did it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well, you know, here's the thing. Uh, In my cadaver
lab at at jack State, where I'm regularly doing dissections
on human remains, I wear blue glae gloves minor blue.
That's the ones that I wear, the exam gloves I wear.
But my colleagues that are going out to work scenes
(32:09):
are wearing black. They wear black ones. I've seen people
wear clear gloves. I've seen people wear surgical gloves. So
it's just it's interesting that they would just write that down.
I think that they really wanted to emphasize this is
my thought, Okay, my ten cents for whatever it's worth.
I think not only did they want to emphasize see continuity,
(32:33):
you know, going back to you know I made mentioned
about Guthrie just a moment ago. Yeah, they wanted to
at least communicate to whoever was going to read this
writ that they were taking specific precautions when they went
out there. Why is that Well, a lot of it
(32:54):
has to do with obviously transfer transfer evidence, and you're
gonna be specific. Hey, boys, not only were wearing rubber gloves,
We're gonna wear black rubber gloves. Okay, And maybe I
don't know that, might hey listen, that could be in
their standard sop. We don't. For whatever, It's amazing what
(33:15):
organizations will do. And I know people out there have
sat around and they've read things before in their sop.
When the boss comes and tells you something, to say, what,
why is this necessary to be this this specific about
this there's a reason. I haven't put my finger on it.
But they're emphasizing the fact that they're wearing gloves. But
(33:36):
that aside. They made note of going into rather granular
detail that there were insects all over the outside of
what they're terming. And this is the authorities because they're writing,
they're the they're the genesis for this report. They're writing
that there was insect activity on the outside of.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
This cadaver back Dave. Where does that tell you?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, it tells me that you've at least got one
generation of flies that's in dwelling there, and that God,
this is going to sound really cold, but this is reality. Okay.
The smell, the smell of human decay is like ringing
the dinner bell for the insect world, and they smell
(34:29):
on a spectrum that none of us can even fathom, Okay,
kind of like dogs do, but only I think it's
probably a bit more intense because that's how they live
their life. You know, they lived their life in order
to eat, mate and make babies. And that's it. You know.
(34:54):
I sound like Richard Dreyfus and Jaws, where he's talking about,
you know, the perfect, perfect killing machine, you know, eat
and make baby sharks, and that's that's what they do.
But that's what flies do, okay, and other insects that
are associated with this, and that smell, that smell is ringing,
ringing the dinner bell. I'm just really wondering how long
(35:18):
had the smell been present, And I don't know that
that will at this point in time that we can
necessarily hone in on this because I've held from the
beginning that I felt as though that the decomposition the
postmarum interval may have been skewed in some way or
(35:41):
retarded in the sense that it's not on a normal course.
Like if you took a body and just laid it outside, okay,
and you didn't touch it, you know, like they do
with the body farm. This is something different. You've got
It would seem at least that you've got multiple people
handling these remains, or at least one and so, and
(36:02):
they're moving them from various environments. We know for a
fact that they're moving this car around correct.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And that was documented. You know, that's the whole thing.
Like when you document the last time the vehicle moved
and you've got July thirtieth, Yeah, then, and you know
that it wasn't moved after and you've got video pictures
of it the entire time from there on out, and
you see that no one approaches the car and nobody
(36:30):
gets in the car, and nothing is added to or
taken out of the car from July thirtieth until it's toad.
So you've got that documentation there for four weeks. And
that's why I was wondering, Joe, if there is a
body in a cadaver bag, I would have thought that
that bag would be sealed up and would not allow
(36:55):
the smell to go out. Okay, but there's more than
just the cadaverage bag here, because there's another bag and
it's not called the cadaver.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The cadaver bag.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Tell me what's in that one?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Well, we've got the remainder of the of the body
in there.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
What do we have in We got cadaver bag and
then secondary bag. But their body has been cut up.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, the body. The body has been cut up, and
there was there's been a lot of talk about this
as to well, I think firstly, where was it cut up?
That's more important to me than how it was found,
because we have to well I don't have to do anything.
The police have to identify the specific location, and i'll
(37:41):
call it this now, the specific location of the dismemberment. Well,
you know at the head of the list here, Okay,
it's going to be this residence, Okay, it it. I
can't imagine that it would have been done somewhere else.
It seems rather cumbersome because this is your your central
gathering point. It's also where the domestic life goes on.
(38:07):
You're sleeping there, you're eating there, you're doing whatever it
is that you do there, and you've got you've got
tom and you've got protection. You know you can you
can dismember a body, say, for instance, in a protected space.
I'm thinking garage, bathroom. Okay, no one's going to be
(38:32):
the wiser, and no one's watching you unless Joe, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
An amateur ye taking a part of body. You and
I have talked about this many times about what actually
transpires when you do this with a body that is
filled with blood and everything else. And I would just
have to think that unless you're a professional with professional
tools and professional ground cloth, wallcloth and the ceiling cloth,
(39:03):
without all that, there's going to be a way that
I'm going to come into that house and I'm going
to be able to tell where you did it and
when you did it, just because of the remains of
the blood that there was no way you could have
cleaned up that and tissue, hair, all the other things
that are part that make up our human body. You know,
(39:23):
that's got to go somewhere and it doesn't all end
up down a drain.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And here's the thing, Dave, on the ends of these bones.
So even though and this is my I'm speculating here.
Even though you know these bones are still encapsulated, I
would think in soft tissue, the bone is going to
be sticking out. Now, let me tell you what I
(39:48):
think they probably did at autopsy, or at least it's
what it's what I would have done. Okay, first off,
photographing thoroughly. Okay, everything, I mean, just the photography alone
back at the Morgue would take a protracted period of
(40:09):
time with them without scale. I am I am going
to take Let's just say, if you've got a severed leg,
I'm going to take that leg and where it has
been severed. Okay, let's just say, and I don't know
this for a fact, I'm just throwing this out there.
Let's just say it's at the top end of the femur. Okay,
(40:33):
longest bone in the body. I am going to isolate
that area, trim away all of the soft tissue, and
I'm keeping that bone. I am keeping that bone. And
the reason I'm going to keep that bone is that
when I get it prepped, I want the folks at
(40:55):
the tool Mark section with La County the criminalist over there.
I want them to take a look at it, and
when they examine the sing not just grossly, which means
with the unaided eye, but when they put this thing
on a scope, and it might just be like a
magnification scope. You wouldn't need anything high mag with this.
(41:17):
They're going to be able to see marks on that bone,
brother Dave. And when they see the marks on that bone,
those people are so good. And two more people are
some of the coolest people in the world. You talk
about paying attention to detail or like watchmakers. All right,
they will be able to look at those triations on
that bone and they will say, Okay, I got three
(41:41):
potential tools that were used here. I can tell you
what it ain't. This is what you're going to be
looking for. So are we talking about something that's like
a spinning saw, you know, like a table saw or
skill saw, or we talking something that's kind of like
a pump jack. If you're talking about a sawsaw that's
(42:03):
going up and down, up and down, almost like the
needle on a sewing machine, is it mechanically driven or
is it human powered? And that looks completely different. Okay,
you can tell when something's been machined as opposed to
somebody using a hand tool. It's glaring to these people.
(42:23):
So this is going to be a big part of
this evidence, I think, and we go back to what
we know about these remains, Dave, you know what I
think is going to be one of the most damning
pieces of evidence in this whole thing, this whole thing.
If he is involved, or any of his friends are involved,
(42:49):
they don't trim hedges, they don't plant gardens, they entertain people.
They did not show up. I cannot imagine in any
circumstance with a whole array of tools. They will have
had to have purchased these tools. And we're going to
see a timeline that's going to be developed per this.
(43:14):
If you ordered something online like a handsaw, hack saw,
skill saw, it doesn't matter. That's going to be in
the queue. If you ordered a cadaver bag, that's going
to be in the queue.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Shee whiz.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
You order a burncage, yeah, that's definitely going to be
in the queue. Hey a brand new chainsaw, Yeah, Hey,
that's in the queue too. Now, I'm not saying that
all of that damns anybody, but for my money, I
can tell you this as an old forensic investigator, it
(43:53):
certainly will give me pause. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
this is bodybacks. Mm hmm
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