01-14-25 FULL SHOW - Economic Hopes For Trump's Second Term, Plus How To Not Drink

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
A Tuesday edition of the show. We are here, we
of course being me, Mandy Connell. That guy over there,
Anthony Rodriguez, we call him a rod And today we
have quite the program planned for you because yesterday afternoon
Mayor Mike Johnston had a press conference, and I did

(00:50):
my press conference here yesterday where I was pretty clear
about what my goals if I were mayor of Denver
would be, and that would be too aggressively, regressively go
after any kind of crime in downtown Denver until the
people of Denver had confidence that the city of Denver
was safe. Oh boy, did he not take my lead.

(01:10):
We're gonna talk about that. Actually, let me just do
the blog first, because I've got a bunch of stuff
on the blog. Now we're gonna talk about We got
a guess I'm really excited about. It's gonna be a
good day on a Tuesday. As we barrel through Tuesday.
Find the blog mandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com.
Look for the headline. This has one fourteen to twenty
five blog economic hopes for Trump's second term plus how

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not to drink or how to not drink. Click on
that and here are the headlines you will find within.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
Anything list in office half of American all with ships
and clipmans say that's going to press plant.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Today on the blog what do you want to see
in Trump's next term? Mayor Mike Johnston had a press
conference yesterday scrolling Why can't people just let you not drink?
Why doesn't Colorado Lime Street live stream committee meetings?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Now?

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Where we get now? Where will we get? Giant cinnamon
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Nothing personal against Darcy, but no, it's time to vote
on right to work. More from the glucos Goddess on
how to manage glucose for weight loss. Nine likely gang
members charged in Aurora. Take a look at these Biden
admin deficits. Hama says, yes, not so good news about dementia.

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How to avoid this version of norovirus? A column on
liberal law fair while a lifelong Democrat voted for Trump
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fans don't overshare at work, bad lip reading. Obama meets Trump.
This is the beginning of what oh my, I felt
this one. Those are the headlines on the blog at

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mandy'sblog dot com. Got some really good videos and the
last one, you guys, is of a guy desperately trying
to get back to his house in California and his dog,
and his dog is there and his dog is okay,
and I was like, ah, I mean, geez, Louise. So

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there are a few things on the blog that I
want to talk about. We are going to have a
guest that I met through the Steamboat Institute and she
is a lovely woman. Her name is Hadley. He's manning
and now she is working with the Steamboat Institute, which
is such a perfect fit. Whenever there's leadership changes at
something I love, I immediately start to get anxiety about
it because you know that things are not going to

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go the way you want them to, because generally speaking,
when there's any kind of leadership change, it's hardly ever smooth.
And Hadley's not taking over taking over, but she is
taking a leadership position, but I firmly believe that the
Steamboat Institute will continue to do the amazing things that
they're doing now to forward the cause of freedom on
college campuses at the Freedom Conference every year. And Hadley

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has written a column about what we can expect from
Trump's economy in the next term, and we're going to
talk to her at one o'clock. I believe a rod
Dang it, I should have looked in that one o'clock.
So that is coming up. But we've got to talk
about the press conference yesterday that the mayor had. And

(04:20):
if you hadn't heard, if you're just crawling out of
bed after a four day bender, let me tell you
what happened on Sixteenth Street, mall over the weekend on Saturday.
A man who is clearly not okay, and now his
grandparents have spoken to the news media and said he
has suffered from mental health issues for his entire life.

(04:40):
His grandmother says, I'm sure he's schizophrenic. It sounds like
he's never gotten care for that. From the way she talked,
it just sounded like that was never addressed. But now
he's an adult, so his family can't do anything even
if they wanted to. That is such a failure of
our current system that we can talk about at link later.
But nonetheless, so this mentally ill man on Saturday slit

(05:03):
the throat at a seventy something year American Islands American
Airlines flight attendant who was laying over in downtown Denver.
Then we find out before he slit her throat wounds
that she subsequently died from, he had already stabbed another
man who drove himself to the hospital, and then he
stabbed another person after that before leaving the area. And

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then on Sunday he murdered another man with his knife.
He's now been arrested, and yesterday there was a press conference.
Mayor Mike Johnston stood in front of the cameras in
his folksy rancher jacket that says, I'm one of you,
and I really just want to in a moment, I

(05:48):
want to play the beginning of this press conference and
I want you to as I did, think about the
fact that two people died. Okay, two people are dead
from this incident over two days at the sixteenth Street mall.
And I want you to hear what the mayor said.
Oh I need my audie. I'm sorry, Rod Okay, here
we go.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Thank you all for being here.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
I just wanted to gather to address some of the
events that happened in downtown this weekend, share with the
information we have, and talk about our plan going forward. Obviously,
we are heartbroken for the victims of the stabbings this
past weekend, and we know this is an isolated, exceedingly
rare incident, and the suspect is now in custody.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Now, he spent eight seconds giving his condolences to the
families of the dead people that were murdered on the
sixteenth Street mall. Eight seconds. Eight seconds is what he
could do. He didn't even read their names. Now, maybe
the second guy's family hasn't been notified, I don't know,
but we know who the first one is. That name

(06:53):
has already been in the media. He couldn't even say
her name. And then he continues on to talk about
how the police did their job and blah blah blah.
But I really want to get to this part of
the press conference. Now. The thing you have to understand
about this press conference is after the eight seconds, he
spent briefly mentioning how sorry we were for the people

(07:15):
who got murdered. He then went on, and I'm not
playing this for you because I can't listen to it
again because it almost made my head explode yesterday. He
went on to talk about how crime has dramatically fallen
in downtown and how they're on the right track and
things are looking up, and then he got to this
part a question being asked.

Speaker 8 (07:37):
I think there is a question of the difference between
perception and reality, and that is part of what we
have to address.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
I have folks who say I don't like.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
To come downtown, I don't feel safe, And I said, really,
when did you come downtown last, and they say twenty
twenty one.

Speaker 7 (07:49):
I say, okay, well it is a very different downtown
than what you saw three years ago.

Speaker 8 (07:53):
And so part of our obligation is both to deliver
the results that actually dropped the levels of crime, which
is what we're doing with some of the historic decreases
we've seen in the last year, and to address that perception.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
We need people to.

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Have the chance to come and visit and experience downtown
again and see how different it is. That's why for us,
things like the reopening of the sixteenth Street this year
is such an important, important opportunity because if folks came
down post COVID, it still felt goes under construction hard
to access. Those also can be to terrens. We know
the more active the city is, the safer it is.
And so when you do have fences up, you do

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have construction running, you did have COVID fewer and fewer
folks at work downtown.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
Those are all contributors.

Speaker 8 (08:32):
But now as we've started to reverse those trends with
more activated streets, more businesses open, more parts of them,
all open, crime down, we think these are the moments
where now when folks come down to an Avs game
or a Nuggets game and they walk this spot, they
will see that it is a whole different location than it.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Was two or three or four years ago. We will
keep working every.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
Day to make it better, and we know that in
a big, major city in America, there is never going
to be a city without crime. We are one of
the safest big cities in America right now, and we
will continue to do more of it to become.

Speaker 7 (09:02):
Safer and safer every day.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
I just want to point out he's absolutely right. If
you haven't been down there since twenty twenty one. It
is much different. Two people were murdered on the sixteenth
Street Mall this weekend. That's different. I don't remember two
people being murdered in one weekend on the sixteenth Street
Mall by a random attacker, just wielding a knife and
slashing at people until they're dead. This is the most
tone deaf press conference I have ever heard in my

(09:27):
entire life. Mayor Mike Johnston either needs to fire his
entire communication staff or he needs to listen to them,
because they either sent him out there with this messaging, Hey,
you know what, we know two people just died, but
don't worry about it. That hardly ever happens. Are you
kidding me? Who you gonna believe me? Are the two

(09:48):
dead people? I mean, it was just beyond tone deaf.
And the problem is is that you can keep saying
it's safe, it's safe, it's safe. Come down and check
it out. Two people just got murdered on the sixteen
Street Mall. You saying it's safe, it's safe, it's safe,
doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. This was such

(10:14):
a clown show yesterday. As a matter of fact, in
the middle of it, a gentleman walked by. Did you
hear this? I was gonna try and clean it up,
but I can't. I mean, there's just it's it's like
one curse word after another, and this guy is screaming
at the mayor. Crime loving Democrats are killing this city.
He's just yelling as he's going by with lots of expletives.

(10:36):
I did put that on the blog so you could
go watch it for yourself. I can't play it on
the be aware of that. This was so incredibly disappointing
and absolutely on brand for this mayor. We're gonna start
calling him Mayor Denial because Mayor Denial just does not
want to see what so many people in the Denver

(10:59):
metro are seeing. All I can think of is when
I was hearing this yesterday, I'm thinking to myself, what
about the guy Taylor Ramiro we had on the show
last week who had to write a letter to his
landlord about leaving the Highlands because it was so dangerous
and his children were walking over needles and drug addicts.
I mean, does he not pay attention to what people
who live down there are saying. It's so crazy, so crazy,

(11:27):
It's just it's gaslighting. It's basically like, look, I know
you came down here last year and your car was stolen,
but it's fine now, it's so fine. We shoved all
the homeless people in the homeless hotels, We've shifted all
the crime to other areas. It's taken care of. And
the police chief, I mean, I don't know this police chief.

(11:49):
I've never met him, I've never spoken to him. Is
he always that downbeat? Meaning zero passion coming from this
guy at all? I mean not or nothing. If I'm
standing at a press conference where two people just got murdered,
I'm showing a little fire in my belly. I'm showing
that I care. That is not the vibe I got

(12:11):
from the chief of police yesterday. And maybe that's his personality. Again,
I don't know. I've never talked to the guy, but
it was so lackluster. I wanted to hear fire from
the belly of the mayor about how we won't put
up with this anymore. We're not going to allow our
city to go down the tubes like this. But I
did hear any of that. What he said was these murders,
they're exceedingly rare, you know what. I hope at the

(12:33):
funerals of the two people who were murdered. They stand
up and as they're getting ready to eulogize it and say, oh,
you know what, Thank goodness, we're here today for an
exceedingly rare event. We're here for a murder victim. But
it hardly ever happens, so it's not a big deal
unless you're the dead person or their family. He downplayed
that he showed no compassion for the families who no

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longer have their grandmother, their mother, their their brother, their son.
I mean, my god, it was so incredibly bad. And
then he ends with this basic like, hey, you guys,
all we need to do is bring people back down
to downtown and everything's going to be fine. Wouldn't that
press conference led you to believe that this mayor and

(13:17):
this police chief are going to be able to take
care of public city, it's public safety in Denver, Because
that's not what I've felt. I mean, it was the
most milk toast, just wishy, washy, pansy ass press conference
I have ever seen in my life. It's just how disappointing.

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I mean, I realize that I'm preaching to the choir
a lot in this audience. I get it. But how
do people in Denver think this is okay? I mean,
do the people in Denver that live there? Are they
sitting there thinking today, God, if only we'd been downtown
this weekend, this would have never happened. It's our fault.
It's our fault because we're worried about our own personal

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safety and that's preventing us from going to downtown Denver.
It's our fault. That's what the mayor is saying. Good lord,
this Texter. If he remained silent about the stabbing, you
would be making fun of him for not saying anything.
Of course I would, of course, but I wanted him
to come out and say something reassuring instead of well,

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crime statistics say denwards to save this license. It is
not not even remotely. That was a blatant lie. I mean,
maybe crime is dropping this year. Mate, what do we
We're walking fourteen days into the year. Maybe he's just
counting January. I got nothing. I got nothing that said
strong leadership. I got nothing that said we hear you.

(14:46):
I got nothing that said it's terrible that these two
people were horribly murdered on my watch. I got nothing
that said I'm taking responsibility from the police chief for
public safety on the sixteenth Street Mall. I got nothing,
absolutely nothing thing. A non press conference would have been
a better idea for this mayor. Did you see the
snot running out of the police chief's nose into his

(15:08):
mouth during the interview after the mayor he finally wiped
it away. No, I did not. I did not.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Say that.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
All you and Ross do is cry about the left
every day and your complete hypocrites. Okay, when people get
stabbed on the sixteenth Street mall and there's a Republican
mayor and the Republican mayor comes out with pansyas statistics,
I'll be sure to put him on full blast. Then
how about that? Will that settle your little hypocrisy claim.
I'm fine with it. Well, we obviously text her. You're

(15:37):
absolutely right. Background checks for knives a sap. I mean
that's and you know, I mean, did he have a
high capacity knife? Did he have a you know, a
large an assault knife? What kind of knife did he had? Hey, Mandy,
guess the mayor is never coming back to your show,
Like he was going to come back on the show anyway.

(15:58):
I don't care. I really don't see. Here's the thing,
you guys, I don't care if politicians come on this show.
I really don't. I would love to have a conversation
with him. I'd love to have a conversation with people
across the aisle where we could debate. You know what,
I'm gonna use as an example a rod Our interview
with Michael Bennett at the DNC. We had an extremely
good interview with Michael Bennett where we talked about things.

(16:20):
We had a couple areas of agreement, we had areas
of disagreement, but we had a nice civil conversation. I
enjoyed it, He enjoyed it. He even said, let's do
this again when we have not been able to make
that happen. And I really think it's his people that
are getting in between me and that interview. It can
be done. But why in the world should I hold
any rhetorical fire from this guy who is too much

(16:44):
of a coward to come on this show, just like
the governor is. Why should I hold any fire on
them rhetorical fire? Of course, I never advocate violence in
any way, shape or form with anyone. I mean, it
is it is just ugh, what week leadership? What pathetic

(17:05):
week leadership? We have in the mayor's office and in
the chief of police. Maybe the chief of police is
being held back. Maybe some of you DPD officers can
let me know what this chief is all about. Maybe
he's great, maybe he's just hamstrung by politics. I don't know.
But I didn't see anything yesterday that inspired confidence. I
didn't see. You know, when you look at some of
the sheriffs and the chiefs of police in deep red

(17:31):
districts when they're running Smack Grady. Sheriff Grady in Polk
County in Florida is famous for this. He gets up
there and his press conference on this would have started
like this, just to let you guys know, this man
is in prison and we will make sure he stays there.
And additionally, we're going to be flooding the streets making

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sure that you are safe and that you get to
enjoy the city that taxpayers pay for. That's what I wanted,
and instead we get thickly, a crime is dropping like
a rock. We'll tell the two dead people, Hey, guys,
I know you're dead, but it's fine because crime is dropping.
Just I realized that's okay, you're dead, but crime is

(18:13):
dropping the fact that You're dead is exceedingly rare, and
then he went on to call Denver a vibrant city.
I wish it was it was when I moved here.
It's not anymore sad but true. It's funny to be
the people that try to defend the mayor by calling
me a hypocrite, which I'm still not quite sure where

(18:36):
that hypocritical type thing is in play here. You know what,
I would probably say the exact same thing if this
were a Republican mayor. Of course it's not. Hi Andy.
I think that Mayor Mike looks a little like Emmett
Brikowski in the Lego movie. I've said that before everything

(18:59):
is out, Everything exactly exactly. Mandy, thank you so much
for bringing up the mayor's press conference. I was so
pissed when I listened to him yesterday and how out
of touch and insulting he was. He looked like crap.
He could have at least dressed properly. He looked like
he was drinking or something, and completely acted like this

(19:20):
was taking too much time. Now, in his defense, perhaps
it was cold, and I mean that I'm not even
just yeah, just saying and hewhears that jacket that's his
folk sea jacket. It's like, look at me. I'm a
Colorado and I wear folk sea jackets. Mandy, Sixteenth Street
in time is times square, pre routy yep, and we
all know how that got fixed. H Mandy, to talk

(19:42):
about banning knives is a little funny, but unfortunately in
a lot of the UK, pocket knives are illegal. Correct, correct, Hey, Mandy,
I was never overly impressed with Mayor Hancock, but wow
do I ever miss him. See. I think Mayor Hancock
would have handled this entire press conference much differently because
one thing he was good at was empathy. I really

(20:06):
believe that. I think Mayor Hancock probably would have done
a pretty decent job with that press conference. Mandy. The
tone deaf ass covering BS is really quite impressive in
its resiliency despite the facts it's sickening and Weasley, Mandy,
I agree with you. These liberal mayors are just allowing murder.

(20:27):
I'm looking for a nicer conservative town with no murders
to move to. I'll keep you hosted on the search.
There are a lot of small conservative towns where there
are no murders, and if they are, they're so I mean,
it's scandalous and everybody freaks out and everybody gathers together
and it works as a team. Mandy, you should survey

(20:47):
people to ask was when the last time they visited
downtown Denver. But see, the mayor says, that's just a
perception problem. That the fact that you're not going downtown
because you heard two people got murdered on the sixteenth
Street mall. It's not the murders that are the problem.
It's that you heard about the murders, and that it's
creating this false impression that two people got murdered last weekend,

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which clearly clearly you should not know nor pay attention to.
And instead he stood up on the press conference. Look
over here, look over here, look over here at these statistics. Yeah, Mandy,
um this I want to find this one. Somebody said

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the chief said they were quick to arrest. Bet that
makes that Sunday killing family better. I found this when
somebody said I work for the chief. This is the
chief's personality. He's very dry and not excited about anything. Okay,
then I'm gonna cut the chief some slack, because, like
I said, I've never met the man, and it really

(21:54):
did seem like so laid back, which I guess in
an emergency situation you want calm, so that probably has
helped him in his career. But it was like a
little too laid back, just a little bit. Mandy. We
have a concert we're going to in a couple of
weeks at the Pepsi Center Ballerina. We usually take the
train for concerts, et cetera. Not going to do that

(22:15):
this time. We'll be driving and paying the parking fee
because I don't want to get stabbed or assaulted by
a cokedown homeless person. We're usually in Denver maybe once
per year now, and we live just up in Thornton.
I generally will drive up to Fort Collins to have
fun in a city instead of going into Denver. I
just don't feel safe there, even when armed. This texter said,

(22:36):
it's pretty easy to have a crime drop when you've
held the number one spot for auto thefts and other
crimes in the nation. Correct, Hey, Mandy, the governor and
Senator come on Kyle Clarks Show all the time. M
h m m, Mandy. The mayor's role model must be
Gavin Newsome. That from Ray Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vibrant is

(23:01):
the new urbanist code speak for blighted crime written downtown
areas with the occasional hit bookstore or trendy coffee shop.
I'll have to remember that, Mandy. This issue with the
mayor reminds me of thirty years ago. Wife and I
became new residents of the now closed up fifteen sixty
eight Nome Street apartments in Aurora. The landlord told us
you'll love this place. The police haven't been here in

(23:23):
a week. Fast forward thirty years. Violence decimated a place
deemed safe to live. Uh, Mandy, do you sing in
the shower? I heard Ross talking about this. I do
not sing in the shower. I think in the shower.
It's one of my thinking places. I'm also a very
fast shower. I'm in and out of the shower in

(23:43):
ten minutes. How long do you How long does it
take you to show?

Speaker 9 (23:47):
Yeah? Did you just say ten minutes was fast for
a girl who.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Asked to wash and condition long hair and shave legs.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
Yet that's well every time most times?

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, you just you know. I don't like the feel
of hairy legs.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
I don't like it every time you're in the shower
you shaved your list. Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
No, I I'm fast at it.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
That's still weird.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
No, I just don't like the feel. I have texture
issues and it extends to I don't like feeling stubble
on my legs.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Okay, well ten minutes for all of that, I guess
isn't terrible. Yeah. For me, I like to enjoy my showers,
like the heated water's nice, so I chill a little bit.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
But no, no, probably tend to.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah, I'm in My daughter could shower, I believe for
an entire day if given the opportunity. The day we
bought the tankless water heater so she never runs out
of hot water was the day that our water bill
kept going up. End up, Mandy. So their solution to
Denver violence is the buddy system, like Florida State in
the nineteen seventies when Bundy was running loose. Great plan.

(24:44):
Oh that reminds me and I have to thank jd
on X for giving me, making me hip to this.
Go to the City of Denver's website. They have safety
tips on the City of webs on the city website
about when you visit Denver, do you think that we
have a safe and vibrant community when these are the
tips given out by the city on their own website.

(25:05):
Do not advertise if you are a visitor, if you're
here for a meeting. Don't wear your name badge when
walking around the city. Plan your route in advance. Keep
maps and travel bouchers out of sight when walking. There's
safety in numbers. Walk with friends or other members of
your group. Carry shoulder bags and other handbags under your arm,
not by the handle. Don't wear expensive jewelry and watches

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when outsite seeing. Here's my favorite. This is my favorite
one out of all of them. Demonstrate a combination of
respect and caution around panhandlers and strangers. Respect and caution,
be aware of suspicious activity, and if you see something,
call nine one one. If alone at night, consider using

(25:50):
uber lift or a taxi. So don't walk at night.
This is the advice again from the City of Denver's website.
Remember alcohol consumption diminish his awareness, safe, vibrant activated, Denver.
Darren Copeland posted something really funny on my x feed yesterday.

(26:13):
He said, Denver, you probably won't die and I'm like,
visit Denver. Give this man a job for that slogan.
That's a slogan that's gonna have him racing downtown again.
Let me just say, the consensus is this is bad. Okay,
I do see this. That got me gave me a
little idea because I was mentioning the fact that Darren
Copeland said Denver, where you might die, where you might

(26:37):
not die like that's which should be our new marketing slogan.
Someone texted this just in Denver, it's exceedingly rare to
get stabbed on six String Street Mall, Denver, where you
probably won't get killed. Denver, where statistics give comfort to
the family of people who've been murdered. I'd love to

(26:57):
know what your new marketing slogans for day should be.
Right now, Mandy, the mayor uses the herd approach to
violent crime reduction. If you get a lard enough herd
of visitors downtown, the probability of you being a victim drops,
but there will still be a victim. No, there is
some truth to that what he said. I'm not discounting
the fact that when there are a lot of people

(27:17):
on the streets and there's a lot of activity going on,
you're far less likely to be victimized than if you're
walking down a dark street where no one else is
and that just you know, no witnesses are around. That's
a much different situation. He's not wrong about that, but
he's putting the cart before the horse. If he had
come out in this press conference and said, by the way,

(27:38):
you can text your new slogans to five six six
nine zero, if you had come out yesterday forcefully and said,
we are never going to We're not going to allow
this to happen. We're going to enforce quality of life crimes.
We're going to make sure that when you, the tax
paying citizens of the Greater Metro Area come to Denver,

(27:59):
you feel safe because you are safe. But instead of that,
he's ripping off statistics. Has anyone in the history of
the world been comforted by a statistic? Anyone? Anyone Like,
you've just been mugged and the police is there. They're
taking your report before they take you to the hospital
because your skull is bashed in. If the police officer

(28:20):
says to you, well, you know what, you got mugged,
but good news, muggings have gone way down. Does that
make you feel better? Denver? Oh my god, this is
the best one yet. Die better, Denver, hats off text her. Wait,
I'm actually gonna bow.

Speaker 10 (28:41):
I'm getting up.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I'm bowing right now to that text message because that's it.
That's it, Mandy. Yeah, Denver, just to slice the crime
the new Vegas, Denver, roll the dice, Denver, watch your step,
crack me up, manby, come to Denver where you can

(29:03):
find a needle exchange and a dead body on every corner. Yeah,
that's the other thing. The city council the same day
that we're talking about the lack of public safety, they
decide to drop the limits of where drug addicts can
go and get fresh needles for their habit.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Now.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I used to not be opposed to needle exchanges because
I thought they would be an effective way to be
able to urge people into treatment. But right now I
want to see exactly how many people through a needle
exchange have actually gone to treatment and successfully completed it
and are on the other side. And then we're going
to take the number of needles given out and we're

(29:41):
going to divide it to find out what the per
needle average is of people seeking help. Because I don't
think it's I don't think it works anymore. And now
little children are going to be able to see drug
addicts coming in to get their new needles right next
to schools, and so we can normalize drug addiction. So
little kids in elementary school can aspire to be needle

(30:01):
using drug addicts when they get when they grow up.
Can't wait. Oh we got a bunch of them, Dave, Denver,
love it or leave it, No people, no crime, Denver,
bring a buddy and survive your visit. Oh that's a
good one, Denver. Save for than La Denver. We are
inviting unless you're a legal, tax paying citizen. Denver, great weather,

(30:23):
no matter what happens to you. There's already a theme
song for downtown Denver, especially those who live downtown. It's
spinal taps living in a hell hole. Move all the
homeless people to the six sixteenth Street mall. That'll create
a crowd and reduce crime. Problem solved. We can steal
Nebraska's marketing, says it's Texter Denver. Frankly, it's not for everyone.

(30:44):
Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea, Denver, save
for the Chicago Denver live and let die Denver the
mile highway to die, Denver. You should visit before you die. Yeah, Denver.
Stabbings what stabbings?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Mandy, I'm starting a new business in Denver. It's gonna
be called Denver Childcare and Needle Exchange. You know what,
Two birds, one stone, genius, my friend genius. You guys
cracked me up. I love this audience so much. I
really do you know what if I haven't told you
guys that a long time. I love everything you bring
to the program on a daily basis. I love everything

(31:26):
almost that you bring to the text line on a
daily basis. I just appreciate each and every one of you.
Denver tough on cropsh Wait a minute, let's try that again.
Denver tough on cops, not on crime. Mandy, join the
mile At Club of Statistics. Denver. We're Murder is exceedingly rare.

(31:48):
Denver the Murder High City. Wow. Visit Denver with a
view to die for. And on that note, we're moving on.
I would share part of a column by Charles blow is,
a columnist that I don't normally agree with pretty much
anything what he writes, well, some stuff, but not all. Anyway,
he wrote a column about what it's like to be
a non drinker, and I think it's an interesting column

(32:11):
because I have dealt with some of these pressures a
little bit. And I'm not like a teetoe alerbit. You know,
when you don't drink in a situation where other people
are drinking, everyone wants to know why you're not drinking.
It's very weird. We're going to talk about that next.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
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Speaker 5 (32:51):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show.
You guys are still killing me with the Denver slogans,
Mandy t shirt idea, I survive, I'm downtown Denver. Not
a one, not a bad one at all. Now we're
going to talk about the Charles low column in a
few minutes, because I forgot, and I can't believe I
forgot that Hadley eish Manning was going to join me.
She is the executive vice president of the Steamboat Institute,

(33:14):
one of my favorite little policy think tanks. They espouse
free markets. They take big debates to college campuses in
order to expose college students to the ideas of free
market economics and free market solutions. To our policy issues,
and Hadley wrote a column that was in today's Denver
Gazette about what the next term of Donald Trump's presidency

(33:37):
is going to look like economically. Hadley, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (33:43):
Hey, Mandy, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
So let's I have a few concerns about the Donald
Trump economic policies, but I want to let you kind
of give an overview of what you think we're looking
at for the next four years.

Speaker 10 (33:57):
Sure, well, I think, first of all, some of the
areas that have gotten most attention in the media and
our political discourse are places where maybe Trump doesn't totally
align with the rest of his party, whether it's questions
about tariffs or questions about caps on credit card interest rates,
examples like that. But I wrote my column because I
wanted to focus on areas where I think we're most

(34:19):
likely to see change. And I looked back at Donald
Trump's first term and I identified two areas where he
has a really good track record, Mandy. One is on
tax reform. We're going to revisit that subject in Congress
this year. Another is on regulations, and at the time
in Trump's first term, he favored a plan to reduce
regulations ten to one, so to get rid of ten

(34:41):
regulations for every new regulation that was promulgated. He didn't
quite get there. He wasn't successful at that ten to
one ratio.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
But do you know what it was?

Speaker 10 (34:48):
He got rid of two and a half regulations for
everyone that he promulgated, and regulation significantly slowed during his
first term. So those are two areas where I think
we have reason for optimism. I think there's shared focus,
shared print between Congressional Republicans and President Trump. And one
other area where I'm optimistic, although I can't say that
Trump has a good record on this, and that is
government spending. I mean, there's really not a president in

(35:10):
recent memory who has a good record on spending. But
the focus on the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE and
the DOGE Caucus, I think those are also an area
where we can see reason for optimism. And so I
wrote a column about what we can expect in those
three areas well.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
When we went through this in twenty sixteen, when a
lot of my listeners were supporting Donald Trump, he was
not my first choice, and my thing was he's not
talking about spending at all. And I had people call
the show and say he's gonna slash spending, and I'm like,
but he's not even talking about it, so why would
you think that? And I was right and they were wrong.
But now we are seeing massive inflation. It's kind of

(35:50):
like our chickens have finally come home to roost because
this level of spending started in earnest in two thousand
and eight. Let's be real, this is not just the
Biden administration. This is a accumulation of the expansion of
government spending that has been significant. But I'm more hopeful
this time for the reasons that you just said, and
because our mutual friends Steve Moore is on the Economic

(36:13):
Advisory Panel, and Steve has another thing on the committee
to unleashed prosperity today that the Biden administration is going
to leave us with a one point six trillion dollar
deficit this year. Hadly, you know as well as I do,
that is unsustainable. And do you see the political will

(36:33):
in DC to get this done, Because nobody wants to
tell their people I'm not bringing home the bacon.

Speaker 10 (36:41):
That's right. Political will is a reflection of pressure from
the people. So as much as I like to blame politicians,
for this problem. I also think we, the American people,
have some responsibility here. You know, a majority of Americans
believe that the government is inefficient, it's wasteful, it's doing
too much. When you pull people on that question, is
the government doing too much or too little? Most Americans
will say, yeah, it's doing too much. However, when you

(37:01):
ask specifically about things like entitlements, education, healthcare, infrastructure, When
you start to get into the specifics, that's when more
Americans say, oh, I think we're spending too little in
those areas. Don't cut education, don't cut healthcare, you know.
And so that's the game that's about to be played.
That's the challenge that government reformers and spending cutters have
always faced. We have to talk about ways, I think

(37:22):
to slow the rate of growth. My goodness, that's not
even a spending cut, that's just reducing the growth of government.
And this is all tied up in a conversation that
I think, unfortunately used to be used to be getting
a lot more focused at the national level. And that's
the question of the national debt. And at the Steamboat Institute,
we host a lot of debates on college campuses this spring.
We're going to host a debate on the national debt

(37:44):
as part of our campus Liberty Tour because we think
we need to bring this question, this issue back into
the national conversation. This is a tax on future taxpayers.
This is a tax on our kids. If we can't
pay for the spending we're doing today, our kids and
our grandkids, we're paying for it tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
About tariffs for a second, because I am not as
concerned about the potential for tariffs as some others, because
in my mind, this feels like a negotiating tactic that
Donald Trump is using to sort of, you know, set
the bar sky high of what we're demanding or what
we're going to do in order to negotiate back down

(38:21):
to either a better trade deal or better responsibility when
it comes to protecting intellectual property or some of those
other things. What are your thoughts on the tariff talk.

Speaker 10 (38:31):
I mean, I agree with you, Mandy. Free trade is
both an economic issue and it's a foreign policy issue.
You know, it has to do with how we relate
to other countries and other nations around the world. So
in terms of free trade as a purely economic issue, yes,
I believe in free trade, just like I believe in
free markets. I mean, a tariff is a tax, and
we believe in limited taxation at the Steamboat Institute. It's

(38:52):
one of our five core principles. However, when we're talking
about tariffs, we're talking about the international scene. We know
that tariffs are a tool and the toolkit any president
has that any administration has to threaten, basically to our
adversaries or to any country that we do trade with,
to try to put pressure on them to behave in
ways that we deem best. Whether it has to do

(39:13):
with human rights, or whether it has to do with
what's beneficial to American national interests or our intellectual property,
those are all very legitimate concerns, and those are all
very legitimate reasons to talk about tariffs. Obviously, any diplomacy
moves or trade moves are preferable to hard force that
we might use against our enemies or against our adversaries

(39:33):
and other parts of the world.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
So yes, I mean, the.

Speaker 10 (39:35):
Question is always it depends. It depends on the size
and scope of the tariff, the cost of the americ consumer,
and what we're getting in exchange for this pressure. Is
the pressure being effective? Those are all questions we have
to ask. It's not so simple as our tariffs good
or bad. Are we in favor of tariffs or not?
It always, you know, it always opens a lot more
questions than gives answers.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
So let me ask this question about manufacturing specifically as
it pertains to tariffs, because he's essentially said, look, we're
going to live these tears. We're going to bring back
manufacturing to the United States of America. The problem with
that is that our standard of living is much higher
than it is in China or Mexico or any of
these other countries where businesses have chosen to offshore because

(40:15):
the cost of doing business is so much lower. Is
that kind of a fantasy land a little bit to
say that we are going to become a manufacturing powerhouse again.
And secondly, does what are the national security implications if
we don't make anything in this country?

Speaker 10 (40:34):
Well, we were asking that question a lot during the
COVID pandemic as it related to some core key medicine.
Is in your ingredients for medicines that we might need?
So yeah, I think when Trump talks about manufacturing and
when he talks about tariffs, I think he is talking
at two different levels. You know, we're here talking about
the public policy implications of this. We're talking about what

(40:54):
would it mean for our economy if we moved this
money from here to there, taxes this thing, and we
spent more on this thing. But there's another level I
think that Trump is speaking on when he talks about manufacturing,
and that is he is talking directly to a lot
of American voters who feel like their entire way of
life has changed, that their entire community has been left

(41:16):
behind by globalization or by developments in the economy that
were completely outside of their control. That they weren't prepared
to deal with the creative destruction, they weren't prepared to
deal with the retooling of American workers. They weren't, and
nobody has given them, you know, a second thought. It
seems like, you know, both parties, the elites, and both
parties have been perfectly content to just not talk about

(41:38):
whole segments of American society. I grew up in western
North Carolina. Textiles were huge in the small town that
I grew up in, and now the town is full
of empty mills, you know, and there's a lot of
questions about what is the economic future of places like that.
Trump's paid attention to it, and simply by talking about it,
he's essentially saying, I see the plight of American workers
who are not working in the service industry. They're not

(42:00):
working from home like I do with my little laptop,
and you know, doing a white collar job like that.
So in that sense, I think that the questions about
can we bring manufacturing back are important, but we can
also ask other questions, like what do we do with
American workers who maybe don't have the skills to simply
be retooled or retasked. We can't make them all into coders,

(42:20):
you know, we can't give them all a computer job,
but we can work on building up apprenticeships in this
country who can work on better educational pathways for people
who aren't going to a four year college or university.
And those are things that are related to the question
of manufacturing, but not as specifically as can we completely
rebuild from scratch the manufacturing industry. I think you're right
that's not something that we can do with a simple

(42:43):
policy change, but we should be talking about other policies
to address this concern.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
You know, I lived in Kentucky for three years and
coal country in eastern Kentucky, which was already in a
lot of those places already in grinding poverty. But they
put a lot of coal miners out of work with
promises of training and we're gonna and nothing happened. I mean,
just nothing happens. So now you have people with too
much time on their hands, and now you have a

(43:08):
massive drug problem, and the destruction of those communities has
been so complete that it feels like the only way
for those people to survive is to leave their communities.
And these are people deeply rooted, And so to your point,
I guess talking about this is great, but I'm interested
to see what that actually translates to in this next administration.

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Are there anything you know who knows a lot about this?

Speaker 10 (43:36):
Is Vice President elect Vance. He knows a lot about
this because that's exactly the part of the country that
he comes from as well, and that's exactly what his
book Hillbilly Elg is about. And so I have a
high level of confidence that this will this issue will
be a priority for him, I hope.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
So is there anything that you I mean, we just
kind of talked about tariffs, but is there anything else
that you've seen in terms of economic policy that you
are concerned about.

Speaker 10 (44:00):
You know, I'm at my column that published in the
Denver Exibits about optimism about economic policy. So I've probably
got more things that I could identify that I'm hopeful about.
I mean, there's I'm very hopeful about taxes. I hope
we'll see an extension of the income tax cuts and
a further reduction in the corporate tax cut. I guess
to answer your question specifically, Mandy, I mean I was
disappointed in Trump's first term with regard to healthcare policy

(44:23):
and entitlements. I mean, if we're going to talk about
the national debt, we can't avoid talking about Medicare and
social Security. It's not a popular thing to talk about.
It's been called the third rail of American politics. But
there are ways that we can reform those programs to
make them more fiscally solvent. Trump, however, he has said
that he just won't touch those he won't tell you know,
and I think that that's a bad policy decision. I

(44:45):
think it unfortunately sort of aligns Republicans and Democrats on
this issue, so that we're guaranteeing future insolvency, we're guaranteeing
unfunded liabilities in those programs. The more responsible thing to do,
a more physically responsible thing to do, would be to
try to work to guarantee that those those programs can
continue to keep their promises to future generations, because otherwise

(45:05):
we'll see, you know, unfortunately across the board benefit reductions
because they can't pay their bills.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
I would love to see Donald Trump because he's essentially
a one term guy. We already know he cannot serve
another term, so I'd like to see some bravery on
that issue. But it's not just the president that would
need to be brave. It would need to be a
lot of members of Congress that would need to be
brave to talk about raising the retirement age or some
of the other things that can be done that would
be wildly unpopular. And I always think of, you know,

(45:34):
whenever we see other countries, and Greece is a perfect
example of this. They were trying to raise the retirement
age in Greece and I want to say, from like
fifty seven to fifty nine or some crazy low number,
and everybody was freaking out. That's exactly what would happen here.
Even if we said, look, we're going to index it
for people in thirty years, Right, in thirty years, you're

(45:54):
going to have to wait another year or whatever. I
just think that people are so they hear social Security
he changes and they immediately think, there goes my retirement.
So we have to get somebody that can communicate that.
And I got to tell you, I think jd Vance
is the guy to communicate why this has to happen.
He's so good at talking about policy. I'm hoping that
they use him a lot more as vice president to

(46:16):
go out and have the policy conversations about the stuff
that we're talking about here, because I think he would
do a great job and make it understandable to people
who would otherwise be fearful.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
Right.

Speaker 10 (46:26):
Well, and he's young. He's a pretty young as far
as politicians go. He has young kids, so I know
he understands this from a very personal level that the
bills that we don't pay today are just getting passed along,
and that is that short changes the argument. Let me
also emphasize that when we have a high debt to
GDP ratio that has immediate implications for American consumers. Government

(46:46):
spending is primarily the reason we saw the huge blown
up levels of inflation that we saw at the end
of the COVID pandemic because we were just gassing the
economy with so much COVID related spending. And this has
implications for the state of Colorado now too. Now Colorado's
facing a budget shortfall. Guess why, because we got addicted
to the federal money that was just coming out and

(47:08):
droves during the COVID pandemic. And now now that that
money is drying up, states are looking at a situation
where they have been writing checks that they're not going
to be able to cash, and so that's going to
be hard for our state. We're not alone. A lot
of states, unfortunately, took this federal money and thought they
pretended like it was going to be forever, but it
was temporary, you know, And that's the problem that we're

(47:30):
facing now.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Somebody on the text line said, hey, Mandy, what programs
would you cut? I think I believe that we could
do without the Department of Education, and I mean that
I believe we could do without the Department of Energy.
Neither department has done what their mission statement said when
they were created in the first place. They've just blown
up government bureaucracy. I think you could move any valuable
programs being administered by those into other departments. Are we

(47:55):
going to see that? I mean, what was it that
I can't remember the same the quote that there's nothing
more permanent than a government program, something along those lines
that might be paraphrasing. Is there a chance that we
could get that done?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (48:09):
Reagan said the closest thing to attorney on earth is
a government programs, and I agree with him. Okay, So
I got three quick thoughts about how we can cut spending.
Number one, I think any government program should should face
the burden of proof. And what I mean by that
is in Obamacare, there was a small piece of it
called the Class Act. It was a long term care

(48:31):
insurance program, and as part of the passage of that,
it had to be studied for fiscal soundness and proved
that it was gonna be fiscally sound before it could launch.
And it never did. And so President Barack Obama, who
signed the Obamacare into law three years later, he was
signing a repeal bill for the Class Act because we
recognized that it couldn't pass that burden of proof. So
I think government program should have to demonstrate their fiscal

(48:54):
solvency for the long term. If they can't do that,
then we have to ask questions why. A second thing
that I think we should do is and states have
done this, is apply the Yellow Pages test Yellow test.
So if it's something that a private business can do,
if it's something that you find in the Yellow Pages,
it's probably not something the government should do. Otherwise it's

(49:14):
duplicating what private businesses do, and it's presenting those businesses
with unfair competition from the government. So the Yellow Pages
tests and the federal government can go a step further
and they can say, is this something that state governments
are doing. If state governments are doing this, why are
we doing this? Why are there fifty state departments of
education and the federal Department of Education. I know people
within the Federal Department of Education would explain why, but

(49:34):
I would say to save money instead of just going
in there and saying we're abolishing the Department of Education,
because I think, yeah, a lot of people on the
right would like to see that happen for a variety
of reasons, distrust in the education system and reducing government spending.
I don't think it's within the Overton window. I don't
think it's going to happen. I don't think we're going
to see the abolishment the abolition of the Department of Education,

(49:56):
but we can block rant those funds. We can significantly
blo a lot of the programming within the Department of
Education so that states have control over how those dollars
are spent, and so we reduce the bureaucracy in the
Apartment of Ed. And we can do that with several
other federal departments.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Is well.

Speaker 10 (50:11):
The last thing I'll say is sun setting. Let's take
advantage of sun setting. Government program should face sunsetting. If
my tax cut from twenty seventeen is gonna sunset, then
the spending that my lawmakers are doing with my tax
dollars should also sunset with regularity, so that lawmakers have
to revisit why we're doing programs. I mean, this is

(50:32):
the end of the eternity on Earth that Reagan mentioned,
but if we can apply some sunsetting, that will be
a great efficiency improvement.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Hadley Heath Banning is the executive VP of the Steamboat Institute.
You'll be hearing from her more regularly, and of course
you need to go to Steamboat Institute dot org, where
you will see the event. Do you guys have a newsletter?
Do you have a newsletter? Is that a thing you have?
Because I think you need one absolutely?

Speaker 10 (50:57):
Where can you sign up for our email communications on
Steamboat Institute dot org Maney I'll send you a link
you could put it on your blog for us where
people can sign up.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
That would be fantastic because you need to know about
the Freedom Conference so you can sign up and go
before it sells out, because it is like one of
my favorite things every single year. It is so good,
so many great minds together in one room. It is outstanding. Hadly,
we'll be talking to you too. Great idea. I love
the idea of sunsetting spending. I think that we should
force politicians to go on record as continuing the level

(51:30):
of spending. But we can't even get them to do
regular budgeting.

Speaker 11 (51:33):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
That's a huge part of the problem as well. And
until we can get back to regular order, I don't
have a lot of confidence. So we're going to be
able to do anything significant about spending unfortunately.

Speaker 10 (51:44):
Well, we're not going to give up, and that's part
of our goal at the Steamboat Institute. We never despair.
We always approach these issues with good cheer and hope
for the future, because we believe that America is the
greatest nation of the world, the best hope for the world,
and we're going to make sure that it stays that way.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Had thank you for your time today.

Speaker 10 (52:03):
Thank you, thanks so much.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
All right, that is again, I got a link to
the Steamboat Institute and Hadley's column today on the blog Texter.
Getting rid of a department will not be done. Republicans
would not allow it to happen, and neither with Democrats.
But it is a good campaign talking point. I think
that if there was ever a department that could possibly
be on the chopping block, it would be the Department
of Education because of the level of interference with policy

(52:29):
and a lot of strings attached to the money that
comes from the Department of Ed. But I really like
Hadley's idea of block granting, which means you just give
a chunk of money to states to do with as
they as they see fit, without all the strings attached.
I think that would be fantastic. Anyway, we're going to
take a quick time out that I want to come

(52:50):
back and talk about this Charles blow column just for
a moment. I don't think I've ever agreed with Charles
blow before, but this is one thing we have in common.
We'll do that next. More and more people are assessing
their relationship with alcohol, and I've been pretty open about
the fact that I pretty much stopped drinking, not for
any like moral reason, but because it doesn't make me
feel good and it absolutely destroys my sleep, and at

(53:13):
this stage in my life, sleep matters more to me
than a cocktail. So I've just kinda you know, I'll
still have one every now and then I kind of
plan ahead, like, oh, I'm going to go to dinner
on Friday night and I'll have a martini because I
still love martinis, and then i just won't sleep Friday night,
but I'll sleep Saturday night instead, so, you know, just
managing it that way. But it's really weird when you're

(53:34):
in a social situation and everybody else is drinking and
I always get like a club soda with a lime
because it makes it look like you're drinking a cocktail.
But people are genuinely put off sometimes by the fact
that you are not drinking. And it's not like I'm
sitting in judgment of anybody else. I mean, trust me
on this. There are so many times when I look

(53:56):
at people enjoying a beautiful glass of wonderful wine and
I think, dang it, dang it, But it's just it
doesn't work for me physically.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Now.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Charles Blow is a left wing columnist in the New
York Times. What you know, he's a columnist in the
New York Times, So I repeat myself by saying left wing.
And he wrote this column about the fact that he
stopped drinking four years ago. And he, you know, as
he said, he didn't have like like I didn't have
a drinking problem. Been very lucky that I've never had

(54:29):
really addiction issues in my life. But he decided, and
I'm just gonna read this part. I quit drinking because
I was tired of being tired of feeling foggy and
sick of not being able to recognize myself. I felt
that as though I was dying and I wanted to live. Now,
his story is much more noble than mine. He was
dying and he wanted to live, so he quit drinking

(54:50):
four years ago. And he talks about the fears that
he had when he stopped drinking, and I think these
are very common, especially if you're a natural introvert, and
you're like, god, am I going to be able to
go out and be social with people without alcohol to
socially lubricate me. He talks about whether or not he
would still be creative and be able to write, and

(55:11):
he found out indeed he could now. Then he starts
talking about the judgments he got when people started to
find out he wasn't drinking anymore, and he says, it
is if some people need a trauma story to make
sense of your sense of your decision to stop drinking. Otherwise,

(55:31):
your sudden abstinence casts a pall over their continued consumption
and they read your choice as a criticism of theirs.
That last part is key. I think when you say
to someone, yeah, I'm not drinking, and I don't ever
if somebody says, why you know are I just said no,
I'm not drinking. Oh why aren't you drinking? Oh you're
doing dry January, I'm like, no, you know what. It
doesn't make me feel good and it wrecks my sleep.

(55:54):
That's what I say. And I've not had anyone give
me a hard time now. I'm also not young, Okay,
when I was young before drive January became a thing.
There would be times in my lost decade of my
twenties where there would be we'll just call it a
period of partying where for whatever reason, there was a

(56:14):
lot of back to back nights of being out late,
partying with my friends, drinking a little too much, and
my roommate and I would go, you know what, let's
just sober up for the next you know, we'll take
six weeks off. We would always choose six weeks. I
don't know why, but we would choose six weeks off. Okay,
but we'd still continue to do the things with our friends,
and we'd go places and do things. And when you're

(56:35):
young and you're part of a drinking group, a drinking culture,
and you say, now I'm taking six weeks off just
to give my liver a break, people are like what,
And then it becomes a challenge, Oh, just have one shot.
It won't I mean, it's it's insane. So wondering if
any of you. By the way, that roommate of mine
quit drinking years ago, years ago, permanently. She had a

(57:00):
little more trouble with the stopping than I did. She
was one of those people that was fine not drinking
until she had a drink and then it was off
to the races. Right the willpower to only have two drinks,
I have no problem choose my limit. If you ever
see me out, you will rarely, if ever, if I
am having a cocktail, ever see me have more than two.

(57:22):
Because more than two is when I start feeling sick.
There's a possibility of puking. Don't want to do that.
I'm a lightweight now and I'm okay with that. But
I'm wondering if any of you have had a similar experience.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Now.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
There are times when you realize that if you make
a significant change in your life, that you can no
longer associate with some of the people that you have
previously associated with because they're making choices on a daily
basis that you don't want to make. This is one
of the big problems if you are leading that rock
and roll lifestyle and you are out with your friends

(57:56):
all the time and you decide, for whatever reason, to
go over it is. It's tough because you've not only
given up the chemical that you use to sort of
take the edge off life, You've then given up your
social circle too. But building a better social circle can
be done. It's challenging. It's very challenging the older you are,

(58:19):
but it can be done.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
You know.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
I will never forget my interview with Vinnie Tolman, the
guy who died and came back, I mean, had the
most amazing near death experience. But he said, after his
near death experience, which was significant, he came back and
he went through his phone, and he knew he was
going to change his life, and he went through his contacts,
and he went through and he deleted any contact that
he did not think would support him on his new journey.

(58:45):
And he said he went from hundreds of contacts to
like seven because he knew that in order to significantly
change his life, he had to change the people that
he was around now. When I was younger, and I
would and I would stop drinking. There were friends that
I would still get together with that were drinking buddies,
but we would go do non drinking things, you know,

(59:07):
we would go to a movie, or we go for
a walk, or we go do something that wasn't drinking related.
And some of those friends are still my friends to
this day. And I don't think as a fifty five
year old person, any of my friends that I have
now would even think twice about the fact that I'm like,
I'm not drinking anymore. Chuck has not been a drinker
for a very long time. I mean, when I met him,

(59:30):
he was the guy, and Chuck is my husband for
those who may have just joined us today. I met
him because he was in radio sales and I was
obviously doing this job, not here but in a different place.
And his all of his clients were the bars, the
strip clubs, all the vices. He had, all the vices.
And one night before we were even dating, he said, Hey,

(59:51):
you know what, go with me on my rounds. That's
what he called it, because he had events at different
nightclubs and bars throughout the city. And so we get
in the car and we drive around and he would
walk into a bar and before we even got through
the threshold, a bartender's handing him as drink. And by
the end of the night, I was like, damn, otis
the town drunk. But the thing about Chuck is he

(01:00:12):
doesn't get drunk. He's a big dude, and he doesn't
get hangovers.

Speaker 9 (01:00:17):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
That makes me mad. But nonetheless, for a wide variety
of reasons that had nothing to do with me, he
just decided one day He's like, you know what, I've
had enough of this. I'm just not going to do
that anymore. And since we've been married, I can probably
you know, if he's had thirty drinks in seventeen years,

(01:00:38):
that would be and twenty four of those were pina
coladas on a cruise and our friend Harry Bottom. He's
just not a big drinker. So it's easy for me
not to drink. But I'm wondering how many of you
I've experienced this kind of like pushback. This we'll call
it sober pushback. And again, I think a lot of
people are starting to reevaluate their relationship with alcohol. I

(01:00:58):
do think that the older you get, the harder it
is physically on your body to recover. At least for me.
I've talked to several of my female friends who said,
boy howdy, did menopause mess with my ability to recover
after drinking? And not like drinking excessively, just drinking. So
I'd love to know from you guys, if you've experienced

(01:01:20):
this in any way, shape or form, you can text
me at five six x nine. Oh, this sexter said,
my family is rife with alcoholics. One bout of being
shrinking in college over fifty years ago, convinced me that
I was wise to abstain from that point forward. Do
I have a drinking problem, Yes, I'll never know. I
have found in my life. This is just anecdotal that

(01:01:42):
if your parents are serious alcoholics, and not even abusive alcoholics.
Because one of my best friends growing up, her parents
were clearly alcoholics, but they were happy drunks, but boy,
they were drunk all the time. They come home from
work and start getting their drink on, and by seven
thirty they were tipsy. And you know, and she I

(01:02:04):
don't think has ever consumed alcohol. I think when your
parents are alcoholics, you go one way or the other.
You know, you're either kind of a tee totaler or
you're gonna follow in their footsteps, at least for a while. Mandy,
I'm five to three. I tell people I'm too short
to drink. Every time I would drink, no matter how
much I would get sick. So I finally decided that

(01:02:27):
I must be too short to drink. That's what I
tell people, And no one gives me a hard time.
They laugh with me about it and say, okay, yeah,
it makes sense, makes sense, Mandy. Women won't date me
because I don't drink at all. I always have to
explain because they assume I used to be a drunk
or something, because why else wouldn't I drink. I don't
drink because I don't see a point to it, and

(01:02:48):
I don't like being buzzed or the taste. It's just
a beverage to me. I prefer Doctor Pepper. But they
act like there's something wrong with me that I have
to prove my innocence about. I've always been the designated driver.
I don't mind if other people drink. I'd just rather
have a soda. We'll get more of these when we
get back, Mandy. I didn't begin to drive until I
was thirty. I was talking with someone at university as
I went to unlock my bicycle and said he had

(01:03:10):
lost his license because of DUI's I was an older
student twenty seven at the time, but interesting that he
immediately assumed, oh dang it, immediately assumed I had lost
my license for the same reason as him. That was
nineteen eighty three, shows how drinking is embedded in some
parts of the culture. This tector said, I don't get it.

(01:03:31):
If you want to drink, drink. If you don't, then don't.
It's really nobody's business. Why if they're your friends, they
don't care either way. And I'm not going to read
the hate speech. At the end of that texture not
reading it hate speech just says something positive about the Raiders.
H Mandy. I've significantly slowed down my alcohol consumption over
the last few years. I was never a lush, but
would go out socially and one would lead to several.

(01:03:54):
Now I have a drink occasionally. I'm forty eight years
old male and had a grandfather who was an alcoholic.
One thing I tell my twenty and eighteen year olds
is this, I have had friends that would say to
me how blanked up they were going to get this
weekend or night. I have never made it my goal
to get wasted. It's the mindset for me. I have
had a few that turned into a few more, but

(01:04:16):
it's never been my goal. Why purposely make yourself feel
like crap? Amen to that. Some people don't get hangovers though,
geez Louise, some people never get hangovers? Why yogi yep.
Menopause has certainly made me shift my approach to wine
and my diet in general. I do have girlfriends who
have never been able to metabolize alcohol, so they've always

(01:04:37):
been non drinkers. One is also a federal agent, usually armed,
so she never ever wants to be carrying in have
an alcoholic beverage of any kind. That's an excellent reason,
you know what, Maybe I'm minister. Maybe I'll use that. Hey,
you're not drinking at night. No, I'm a federal agent.
I'm armed right now. I don't want to, you know,
in case something breaks out, I want to be ready. Mandy,
I've never really drunk much. I'm forty three now and

(01:04:59):
I think i've been maybe four to five times in
my life. My friends when I was younger made it
a mission to find a way to get me drunk.
Never happened, though. I like wine and have one every
once in a while, a glass of wine or a
mixed drink, but that's about it. Maybe one drink per
month if that so? Yeah, is a twelve pack a
night too much? Up at five am every day? I mean,

(01:05:21):
you know, here's the thing. Physically, yes, if you're drinking
a twelve pack of beer every single night, that is
too much for your body and you are doing harm
to your body every single night. But you're an adult
and if you can still function and go through the day,
more power to you. But yes, a twelve pack of
beer is to night. It is too much. And I'm just,

(01:05:43):
you know, not trying to judge you. I'm just saying
you're hurting your body. Mandy wife and I give up
alcohol for lent every year. Sometimes get some looks, Oh,
I love this one. I stopped drinking since the early nineties,
saw a billboard experience life without drugs like you, I'll
have a drink once in a while, feels so much better,
A clear mind, et cetera. Not for everyone, but I'm
helf conscious that from ron. I've had pushback from friends

(01:06:09):
when I don't drink. I don't think they really care
what I do, but they feel guilty for their own actions.
And I think that's the whole cruxcident right there. Friends, Well, no,
what they're seeing is they don't say anything. They don't
bug him. But when you see someone not drinking or
or I went through the same thing when I was
still smoking and a friend would quit, I would feel

(01:06:32):
guilty that I was still smoking because they had successfully quit.
Their success in not smoking. I took as a judgment
on me even though it had nothing to do with me.
And I just thought, and that's kind of what this
text is talking about. Like the Texters, like you know,
they just feel like, oh, now you're even if you're
not going to sit in judgment of them, then they

(01:06:53):
feel like they're being judged or they're doing the wrong thing.

Speaker 9 (01:06:57):
Those assumptions not longest friendship.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
Yeah. Yeah, Mandy had a sister addicted to alcohol and drugs.
She died early. Three of her kids have died early.
Now her grandchildren are showing the same addictions. I just
I'm going to say this, I have a history of
alcohol and drug abuse in my family.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
So does Chuck.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
So we talked to our daughter quite a bit, and
we talk to our sons. Neither of our sons are
big drinkers. They will have a cocktail, but they're not.
They don't go out and get wasted, they never have.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
They're just not.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
That's not how they're wired. But that being said, we
talked to her a lot about the fact that some
people are predisposed to addiction. It doesn't mean you're going
to be an addict, but it does mean that something
in your genetics says, you could become addicted to something
and you just need to be aware of that going forward.
So yeah, I feel that, Mandy. I go to a
local pubet happy hour and have two pints two or

(01:07:50):
three days a week. We have a group of seven
or eight of us, all sixty plus guys, and only
one has more than this. That's called social drinking. And
I will tell you the truth. If I could do
that and still get a good night's sleep, I would
join you at that pub. But instead I'm just gonna
have my club, so did tears.

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I'm Mandy Connell. That guy's Anthony Rodriguez, and we've got
you for another hour. So let's make a count, shall we. Heyron,
have you ever had the giant cinnamon roll from Johnson's Corners?
Have you ever gone up there and gotten that they're
very famous?

Speaker 9 (01:08:54):
Apparently I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Well, your chance is gone by because the restaurant at
Johnson's Corners, which has been open for decades kind of
a Colorado you know, unique special place. It is closed,
and according to the people who own the gas station there,
there is going to be a chain I think called

(01:09:17):
the Black Bear Cafe that is going to be moving
into that space eventually. But can we just say this
is the first casualties of BUCkies, because when Bucky's opened
up right down the road from Johnson's Corner, they didn't
have anything to compete with brisket and and what else
do they have there?

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
Anthony beaver nuggets.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Beaver nuggets and and all the stuff in the and
the outfits. I have now seen three people, three wearing
head to toe BUCkies gear and one of them I said, oh,
do you worn't there? And then oh no, I was like,
uh oh, oh, okay, that's a bold choice. I mean,

(01:10:00):
what kind of And I'm not asking this to be snotty,
although I think it's gonna sound snotty, even though I
don't intend it to sound that way. But what inspires
someone to walk around as a walking BUCkies billboard? And
by full outfit I meant sweatshirt Bucki's logo matching sweatpants

(01:10:20):
Bucky's logo and a Bucky's hat, so that's like a
full Bucky's ensemble. As they said, I'm not one of
those people. I don't wear logos, you know, in my
and I say this to my daughter all the time.
She'll point something out and now I'm a giant logo
and I'm like, sweetie. People pay Mommy to advertise their products. Okay,
we don't advertise products for free. I was wondering about that, Like,

(01:10:45):
you don't see people in seven eleven gear Maybe seven
eleven missed the miss the boat QT. Here's your chance
to open up a little boutique in the quick trip.
I like quick trip. By the way, Pretty happy they're
coming here. I heard Ross talking about the situation in
Palmer Lake. Palmer Lake cute little town if you've never

(01:11:05):
popped over there, I mean just adorable little town, small town,
and it has a lot of small town charm. They
also have no tax space at all, none, So in
order to shore up their tax space without killing the
people that live there, they are trying to annex some
space right next to the interstate so they could build
BUCkies there. And now there's a lawsuit that's been filed

(01:11:28):
and without getting into the nuts and bolts of the lawsuit,
there is a small strip of land that is needed
to connect BUCkies to Palmer Lake, so they could you know,
make it a part of Palmer Lake to get the
tax revenue. And that's what this is all about. It's
not like they have any love for brisket and they're
dying to have, you know, BUCkies come to Palmer Lake.

(01:11:50):
And technically it's not in Palmer Lake because Palmer Lake
is like a mile and a half off of I
twenty five. You have to drive for a little bit.
But there is a church, I guess or a nonprofit
that owns the land that they need this little tiny
strip of to connect to Palmer Lake. And they've now
sued and said that they'd involve the proper policy and
all this stuff. It's just a big mess. But ultimately,

(01:12:12):
if I were in Palmer Lake, I would say, heck, yeah,
let BUCkies pay the bills here, because again, it's not
right in Palmer Lake. It's not like people are going
to be driving in droves to get to Palmer Lake
to go to BUCkies. They're going to be getting off
the interstate and go into BUCkies and then getting back
on the interstate. And you know, maybe if Palmer Lake

(01:12:32):
was smart, they would market themselves to people who may
pull off to go to BUCkies. But this is one
of those things where it seems to me, and again,
I mean the nonprofit could have a firm case here.
I'm not disparaging the fact that they're suing, but it
seems like there should be a way to make this
work somewhere, somehow to bring in the tax revenue for

(01:12:53):
palmer Lake without actually having a significant impact on the
cute little town of palmer Lake, which nobody wants to
see that. You don't want to see your your corner
or your little town get disrupted because something massive shows
up and creates, you know, more traffic than you want. Mandy,
Johnson's Corners has been struggling for years. Well it's not

(01:13:15):
for nothing, kind of in the middle of nowhere, and
I'm guessing BUCkies was the last, the final dagger in
the back of Johnson's Corners. Luckily, though, a lot of
restaurants have started making giant cinnamon rules so you can
get them pretty much anywhere. Mandy, I saw a person
wearing the complete BUCkies outfit, you know, the beaver with
the hat feet tail on the bus RTD at its finest.

(01:13:38):
You did not you didn't see a guy wearing the
beaver costume. You saw the beaver guy in't you? Did
you see it when you went up to BUCkies? Was
the beaver guy there?

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:13:46):
I think he was taking pictures because is that?

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
I thought you got your picture with him or Jocelyn did.
By the way, Happy birthday to your lovely bride. I
had to do this in the beginning of the show
and I forgot who. It's Jocelyn's birthday today, so we
want to make sure she gets a big happy What
did you get her for our birthday?

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
Witch?

Speaker 9 (01:14:02):
Gosh? I don't know. Let's see it in a trip
to Glenwood Springs this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Oh, well done, well played, Long well played, Mandy. I've
seen Kirkland branded sweatshirts for sale at Costco. I have to,
but I'm not even gonna advertise for a costco. I
don't want to label all my stuff. I just don't.
BUCkies doesn't compete with JC. Get your facts straight and
you can still get rolls at jay Z. How can

(01:14:26):
you still get roles at JAC if there's no restaurant there,
and where are they coming from? And of course BUCkies
competes with Johnson's Corner. They're in the same area and
they do the same thing that is called competition. They're
not in the same exchange, but they're very close to
one another. Mandy, Johnson's Corners will still be selling the

(01:14:47):
cinnamon rolls at the gas station that's right where the
restaurant gone cinnamon rolls station. But where are they getting
the cinnamon rolls? That's my question. I don't know if
Bucky's really had anything to do with Johnson Corners closing.
BUCkies doesn't have a sit down restaurant inside, but we
went there in two thousand and five to Johnson's Corner.
The service sucked, the cinnamon rules sucked, the food wasn't

(01:15:09):
very good, and all of our food was cold. So really,
what you're telling me is that people would rather sit
in their cars and eat brisket than eat that.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
Oh it was so good, all it was, all of
it was so good. They don't need to sit down.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
This texter said, Johnson's Corner went to crap, especially after
they sold out ten years ago. And here's the thing
about BUCkies pulling customers. Maybe a lot of customers who
would have gone to Johnson's Corners and maybe not eaten
at the restaurant are now that business is now being
pulled to BUCkies.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
By the way, the best things still still is the
immaculate bathrooms at BUCkies.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Yes, I will stop if you have a sign up
that says immaculate bathrooms. I am stopping there. So unbelievably clean.
You're picky about bathrooms too, though for a dude, I'm
really picky aboubout bathroom.

Speaker 9 (01:15:57):
I'm more picky about bathroom etiquette by nails, but I.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
Mean I I often will walk into a bathroom and go, Nope,
I am not doing my business in this place.

Speaker 9 (01:16:05):
No, I'll make it work.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
If it looks like it's diseased. Uh huh, No, make
it work like it looks like someone got murdered. No,
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:13):
I will say.

Speaker 6 (01:16:13):
I will sail over the weekend. There's two one ups
in Denver, you know the Arcade bar, right, the one
in Callfax. I had previously and incorrectly thought that wasn't
as great as the other one. I was wrong. The
main thing, the bathrooms are so much cleaner and nicer
because the one in Loto is like atrociously dirty.

Speaker 9 (01:16:33):
Well, what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
When I was in college, there was a bar in
Tallahouse he called Bow Winkles, and they ran these ads
for happy Hour Ladies' Night on Wednesday night, and they'd
have top ten things in about ladies Night that we
are supposed to bring you in there, and number one
was always we put Sharman in the ladies room for
Ladies Night.

Speaker 9 (01:16:52):
And I was like, sold, I'm sold.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
I'm not saying that the bathroom difference will be the
difference in us going to the call Fax one up,
but I'm not not saying it. But then again, also though,
and this is where people would likely draw the line,
the one of call Fax. The's two very big bathrooms,
but they are both gender neutral. Anyone can go in
anyone as a woman.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Gender neutral bathrooms are the most disgusting, revolting, nasty thing
that has ever been inflicted upon me by other people.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
So bad.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Dawn, the manager of Johnson's Corners Bakery calls in. Don
thank you for calling over talking to us today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yeah, somebody that called in and told me that John's
Corner restaurant is now closed officially on Sunday. It was
last day, but our cinnamon rolls will still be available,
and uh, the gas station part of the convenience store.
We're gonna set up our own word corner in the
convenience store. That will be the Dune Corner Bakery, and

(01:17:52):
all of our bake goods will still be available.

Speaker 11 (01:17:54):
Where are you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
Making the big goods?

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
So our big goods have always been made across the
street from Duncan Corner. We have a big bakery in
the downstairs of the building.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
So what happened, don did? Just business fell off and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
It was no longer profitable for comment on any of
that part, but I uh, it's I just know that
the new diner, black Bear Diner, is going to be
put there and the rest part will be quote now,
you guys, sow your.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Cinnamon roll is a lot of places though right not
just at the at the gas station.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Distributed our cinnamon rolls out across Colorado. We have three distributors.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
Now do you do you make the cinnamon rolls every
day or you part of the baking team.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
That doesn't back them every every We make them every day.
We can't package them the same day we make them.
But it is within twenty four hours of baking them
do we back to them.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
And that's is that because they're they can't go in
hot because of the team yep, in the moisture.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
You don't want the moisture. You don't want them to
and we are in the process. Uh. You know, we've
heard of people about the ice maybe them being a
little dry. If you pop it in the microwave, they'll
always be twice. But we are working on in to
better the product because we do listen to the people
and I know some people say they're kind of dry,

(01:19:14):
but we're working on getting them more moises.

Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
For you, well, it's hard to bake in a dry climate.
I had learned this when I moved out here. So
you guys are facing a special sort of circumstances. How
long have you been making cinnamon roles at Johnson's Corner.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
I have personally been making cinnam en rolls. I worked
here right before the corporate took over and in twenty fourteen,
and then since twenty nineteen, I've been here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Well, don I appreciate you calling in and give us
giving us a scoop, because from what I'm seeing on
the text line and I'm not asking you to comment
on this. The restaurant had had fallen off in quality
greatly over the last few years. I have several textures
who say they were longtime customers and they're sad to
see it going.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
But they said, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
Asking you to comment on that. But I also people saying,
but what about the cinnamon roles? So now they know
the cinnamon rolls will live on? Are they gonna be
Do you think they're gonna serve them at the new
cafe or you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Just really I really hope they do, but I'm not
putting my money on it, just because they like things
to stay the same across whatever. It is a change,
so and I can't, I don't, I do not. I
hope they do. Maybe if they get enough customers saying
something about it, they will. But as of now, we

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are we are in the we have our own little
bakery corner where we'll be showing the pies. You can
still order bull pies. We'll be selling the fife pies,
the cream pies, the carrot cake, carrot cake phenomenon. We
can't keep it on the shelf half the time.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
That that's the other thing that people were talking about
they said that they stop making pies and they stop
making so you guys are still making all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Yes, if we still make it. All everything, all the
desserts that were served and the restaurant were made by us.
Now they're just can't be available in the Sea Star.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
All right, Don, I appreciate you calling in and clarifying
that people will still be able to get their cinnamon
rolls and uh and thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Oh go ahead, all right. Special this month is blueberry
uh cinnamon roll. Every month we feature a special, and
this one's blueberry with cream cheese frosting and it's phenomenal.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
So wait a minute, you got like blueberry filling inside
this where the cinnamon normally goes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Oh yeah, Nick. And for Valentine's State, we will have
cherry and chocolate cinnamon rolls for next month. That'll be
our special for next month.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Don you're doing a great job. All right, all right,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
The corner name alive.

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
All right, I appreciate that.

Speaker 10 (01:21:40):
Don.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Have a great day. That's fantastic. Now we know we
just solved the cinnamon roal mystery. When we get back,
we just set a record at Ballerina. You know what,
you know what for I'll tell you right after this.
You know a rod we set a record at Ballerina.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Did you know this?

Speaker 10 (01:21:57):
I do?

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
I think I know you're talking about record setting. Crowd
almost filled Denver's ball Arena on Sunday, but the crowd
of fourteen thousand and eighteen people was there to watch
the Minnesota Frost to play the Montreal Victoire. These teams
you may not have heard of, are from the Professional
Women's Hockey League, and at one point the crowd was chanting,

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we want a team. What do you think about women's hockey?

Speaker 9 (01:22:25):
I'm down. I'm gonna tell you what they kill it
for me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
Women's hockey is obviously different than men's hockey. Okay, it's
obviously different men and women where they're different, but I
feel like the differences are less pronounced than say, the
WNBA to the NBA very much, you know what I mean.
They're still there, but they're less pronounced than you see
in other female sports and male sports.

Speaker 9 (01:22:49):
You ever watched Olympic women's hockey? They are killer.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
This is the only time this last Olympics I really
enjoyed watching women's rugby, which is very similar to men's
rugby in terms of how they mix it up, you
know what I mean, They're beating the crap out of
each other in a very fair way. But women's hockey
could be maybe at some point coming to Denver. There's
obviously a thirst for it. And I think this is

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as much a thirst for hockey as it is for
women's hockey, because let's be real, not everybody can afford
abs tickets, but women's hockey tickets are going to be
a lot more affordable. And if you just love hockey,
then why not. And you know, I in Florida, they
have a lot of minor league hockey teams, which I

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find funny because it's Florida. Whatever, it's nice. But we
also have a lot of transplants in Florida, so they
want hockey and they will show up for not even
good minor league hockey. It's like kind of mediocre minor
league hockey. But they they're there because you can get
into the games for like seven bucks. So if you
have a family with kids and you love hockey, this

(01:23:57):
is like the perfect opportunity. I went to a WNBA game.
This was right after the Orlando Miracle became a team,
so I was still living in Orlando, so god, this
was like twenty five years ago, and they did a
phenomenal job providing a family, fun atmosphere. So even if
you didn't like basketball or you didn't care about the

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w you still had a reason to be there. It
was great. It was a great, great experience, kind of
like when you go to minor league baseball. When you
go to minor league baseball, you go for a couple
of reasons. One, you're probably, depending on if it's Triple
A or Single A, you could very well see some
major leaguers that you love up close and personal as
they're rehabbing or maybe they got sent down for a

(01:24:40):
little refresh or whatever. But you also go because minor
league baseball has all these crazy things in between the innings,
and they just make it a really fun experience. They
put more effort into the overall experience than you experienced
at a professional sports game. You know what I mean.
When you go to an NFL game or you go
to an NBA game, there's fun and there's entertainment, but

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it's not nearly as focused on making the entire product entertaining,
not just what is happening on the court or the field,
and I think that's kind of cool. I think it's
very cool. The other story that we have to talk
about a Rod Buffs fans bad news may be a
bruin Jerry Jones is having conversations with coach Prime.

Speaker 7 (01:25:26):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
This is the worst case scenario for Buffs fans too,
because Jerry Jones and Deon Sanders know each other, right,
So Deon Sanders knows exactly who Jerry Jones is. Jerry
Jones knows exactly who Deon Sanders is, and they're now
talking because Dallas is they suck, so they got to
do something.

Speaker 9 (01:25:47):
You see all that fill in the studio as we
talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Yes, smoke, smoky, smoke.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
I do for a couple of factors, people pointing out
some really really strong points. Number one, I think the
only way Dion does it would be the impossible scenario
where they are somehow able to get Shador.

Speaker 9 (01:26:05):
They're not high enough in the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:26:07):
Do they have options in trading up, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
They're stuck with Dak's deal. No one wants to take
Dak Prescott's contract that they just gave.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
Yeah, and I mean, what do you do what we
did with Russell Wilson and just say here, we'll take
the dead cap hit.

Speaker 9 (01:26:19):
But they have to get up in the draft too.
That's that's the other big two, those two things.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
Dion is an eight million dollar buyout, which for Jerry
is not a whole lot, but it does factor in.
And Dion could be looking for a new deal to
see you. And this could be all just just contractual tactics.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
I don't, I.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
Am, but this could be there's there's not Let me
put it like this. Dion loves Boulder.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
We know that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:50):
He said that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
I don't think anyone doesn't believe that. Regardless if he leaves,
I think he loves what he's doing. And to you,
it has to be the perfect storm situation.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
But what I'm saying is Dallas is a known quantity. Well,
hold on, hold on to that exact point.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
Troy Aikman kind of know him as a Cowboy famous
as a Cowboys quarterback. He literally stopped Scott Van Pelt
last night on the Monday Night broadcast when Scott was
saying this is this is.

Speaker 9 (01:27:14):
A coveted job.

Speaker 6 (01:27:15):
Troy Akman himself said, I don't really think that's the
case anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:27:19):
So I don't know in terms of a no commodity,
a cowboy, but he knows why.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
I think the fact that Dion Sanders knows exactly who
Jerry Jones is, Jerry Jones knows exactly who Deon Sanders
is from that perspective alone. And let's be real, I
don't care how prestigious your job is in college football.
There are so few coaches that don't want to make
the leap to the NFL. There's a prestige change that

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is significant. There is an entire layer that you no
longer have to deal with in terms of constantly recruiting
your players every single day and constantly going out recruiting.
That aspect goes away for the most part.

Speaker 9 (01:28:00):
I think there is a and there's no smoke to this.
This is just me throwing this out there.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
I think there's a lot more likely situation, not even
based on the team, but the aspect of getting Shador.

Speaker 9 (01:28:10):
I think it's a lot more likely to me.

Speaker 6 (01:28:12):
Even though Ben Albright has said they think they're gonna
go towards Pete Carroll, I think it's more likely he
goes to the Raiders because of the possibility to get
Shador to coach his son in the NFL.

Speaker 9 (01:28:23):
Despite the Cowboys.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Again, they are at least I think somewhere in the
ten maybe even lower range.

Speaker 9 (01:28:28):
They can't get Orge.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
What percentage do you think, what percentage chance do you
think that one of these jobs is gonna sort itself
out and we're gonna lose Deon Sanders.

Speaker 9 (01:28:40):
Twenty percent?

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
I think it's higher.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
I think it's twenty percent because I think coach Prime
doesn't believe unless it's the Raiders, that there's a chance
to coach his son because it would not be with
the Cowboys. They can't have that big of a dead cap.
It's worse than Russ. I think it's worse than Russ.
And they can't get up in the right right now,
well Tennessee Titans, Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 9 (01:29:02):
Even if it gets lower than that, the Giants.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
There's too many teams in the draft right now, That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
The Cowboys are well below anywhere in the vicinity, and
there's teams ahead of them that they that wouldn't trade
with the Cowboys because they would want Shador. Okay, so
the Cowboys can I get Shador? And the only way
people would say, oh, well, just trade Dak Prescott no
one wants that contract, so it's twofold. There's no way
in my mind, and I think in many people's minds
that he would go to the Cowboys and have a

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chance for them to get Shador.

Speaker 9 (01:29:28):
It's not happening.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
So if he wants to coach Chador, if his if
his motivation is to coach Chador at the next level,
it's got to be with the Raiders. It's the opening
where they have a possibility to maybe move up. But
you have to have the Browns, the Titans, the Giants.
These are teams that are in that ballpark. So I

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think the Raiders are Yeah, they're They're right there with
those teams.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
They call them and go, look, okay, here you go.
We're going to offer you all of our first round
draft picks and Dak Prescott if you just let us
straight up. I mean, you know something great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
I've been I've been a college football fan for long
enough to know that, especially in the modern era, like
in the era of Bobby Bowden and Bear Bryant and
coaches like that and Bear Brian of course well before
Bobby Bouden, but they were college coaches. That's what they
loved and that's what they wanted to do. I just
don't think that Deon Sanders has that same allegiance to

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being a college coach that those old schooled coaches had.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
I don't disagree, but I don't think the Cowboys are
the situation that people believe it to be other than
just the prestige of coaching the Cowboys.

Speaker 9 (01:30:36):
But even Troy Ipprien said that's not the same it
is that we used to be.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
This Texter said, what if Deon tells his kid to
only play for Dallas and basically whoever drafts him trade me,
you know, I mean it would be a jerk move.
It would be a jerk move, but it could be
done well.

Speaker 6 (01:30:52):
You know the only reason that doesn't sound crazy is
because the teams that are likely going to draft shad
Or are going to be the Tennessee Titans and the
Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 9 (01:30:59):
Yeah, not necessarily.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Who's the coach of the.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Browns, Kevin Stefanski head coach. He's very good head coach. Okay,
we shall see. And the Tennessee Titans have article.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
I believe it when I see Dion on the sidelines
at the beginning of next season, that's.

Speaker 9 (01:31:13):
What I'll miss.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
I'll say this, if he's willing to roll with Dak
in their situation, which they've got some pretty bad deals,
including Dak Prescott. They got uh signed Michael Parsons, their
big time superstar on defense. They just gave see Liam
big deal. My point being, cap situation is not great.
Dak Prescotte has a ceiling. But I will say if
if Deon's cool dealing with that blank check from Jerry Jones,

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so that factor, if it's not about coaching Shador and
it's just about finding the right situation, if he likes
that situation in Dallas, Jerry will give him whatever he wants,
because not many guys want to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Yeah, and imagine if wherever Shador goes right, he does
his rooky contract and then he basically says, I'm going
to play for my dad. Wherever he is, I'm going
to play for my dad.

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
I'd be talking at least five years down the road.
You can't plan for that. You can't plan for that.
Maybe you think about it, maybe down the road, Hey,
maybe someday I'd love to play for my dad. But
we're talking five year contract as a first round pick.
We're talking franchise tags. Yeah, you can't even think about that.
So it's either think about trying to find a way
to coach your son now or don't even think about
that possibility years down the road.

Speaker 9 (01:32:15):
Like it's not within the realm of feasibility.

Speaker 5 (01:32:18):
I don't think think that is only in Colorado for
his son. His son came here because his dad came here.
Let's be real.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
I disagree. I disagree. I think he loves the college game.
I think he loves the situation. I think he really
does love Boulder. I think he can build a superstar
program here. He already really has in terms of what
the team's been able to do. In terms of expectations,
they're going to be in the Big Twelve conversation for
the next hower many years he's here. They could build
a national champion here at the Big Twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
Let's be real, and I'm just I'm not trying to
be a jerk. The Big Twelve is not a power conference.
It just isn't. It's not going to be a power
conference anytime soon because of the level of the other
competition in the Big Twelve. It's not going to be
the SEC, it's not going to be the SEC the ACC,
and the ACC's not great, but it's my conference.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
So I was the way they will have their way
towards a ticket in the college football Playoff for years
to come.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Jared just pointed out Dion still has a huge mansion
in Dallas. I'm seeing stars and dollars aligning that from
Jared and Boulder.

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
The situation there isn't great. I'm telling you it's troy O. Yes,
that's not great.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
It didn't Deon say he didn't want to coach the
NFL players because they're all too cocky and arrogant. Maybe
and there's only room for one ego in the training room.
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:31):
I don't see it happening.

Speaker 7 (01:33:33):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
I've just been disappointed too often in my life to
believe that it couldn't happen.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
We've seen these contractual negotiations going away where you you
make it seem like you're interested in going elsewhere.

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
Boom, new big deal. We've seen all the top head
coaches in college you're just.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
They're like, basically, he's using the Cowboys entirely. I don't think, well,
you see, you would be stupid not to give him
what he.

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
Wants Oh, if he stays let me let me tell
you right now. If he stays at CU, he's got
to have a new deal. This is a full negotiating tactic.
If that's the motivation, Dion will be coaching with a
new contract.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
I hope that you are right, but I don't necessarily
think that you can.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
If the stars align where he gets a gig and
can have a team that can land Shador, I don't
think anyone would be upset about him leaving. That's a
great situation for him. The coach's son in the NFL,
I don't see a path to that. It ain't Dallas.
The Raiders are the option, but doesn't sign that that's
their direction they're going to go. Remember Tom Brady's helping
that search right now. I don't know if he wants
coach Prime.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
This person pointed out, you're forgetting Elway was drafted by
I believe Cleveland and said he wouldn't play for them
and Denver to pick him up.

Speaker 9 (01:34:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
I also reference to Chargers when they drafted Eli Manning.
Hey guess what those are? Two examples and how many
years it doesn't always happen.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
We'll see, we shall see. We'll put this in the
will see category and we'll see sooner rather than later.
My guessing is I do want to get this last
story in because it's important. I mentioned yesterday that a
deal had been proposed by Israel that would release the
remaining hostages and pretty much wrap up the war between
Israel and Hamas. And Hamas has now accepted the draft

(01:35:08):
agreement for the ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, and now
they're hammering out the details. But this would be wonderful
if they had a ceasefire. I talked to my nephew,
the one who lives in Israel, and I said, how
are things going? He said, things are going great. We
haven't been shot at in the last week, meaning rockets
into Tel Aviv. And I think about that for a

(01:35:29):
second and somebody says, how you doing. He goes, We're great.
You're thinking like, hey, you know the Dolphins Manada are
the Broncos Manadi playoffs, not like, oh, nobody's been shooting
rockets at us for the past couple of weeks. But
they're doing great. So hopefully we are searing or nearing
the end of this round of Hamas aggression, and maybe,

(01:35:51):
just maybe we can finally get to the other side
of this. I'm interested to see what happens next. By
the way, Lebanon has just asked the chairman of the ICC,
the International Criminal Court, which is indicted Benjamin att Yahoo
as their president in Lebanon. So that's always nice. That's
always really nice. And I'm being sarcastic when I say

(01:36:14):
really really nice. Who's playing with me today? Four of
the day? Is that Grant? Is Grant planned? Who's planned?

Speaker 7 (01:36:20):
Grant?

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Grant?

Speaker 9 (01:36:21):
Who's plan?

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
Who's playing off the day?

Speaker 7 (01:36:23):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
Yes, what is that?

Speaker 10 (01:36:28):
Hello?

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Sam's Number three? You know I want to come see
you guys because but their food is also big ryan,
so big and so good. I've never finished a breakfast
from Sam's Number three. I just attempted to. And now,
don't hurt yourself, don't. I thought I was gonna get a.

Speaker 11 (01:36:46):
Free T shirt or something for but I did not
get a free T shirt, So I'm no freak.

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
No, I actually take my I take half home for breakfast.
I don't who you could say that for breakfast? Yeah,
I mean, but dude, the burritos are like as big
as your head. Now I want a burrito, dang it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
No, shit.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Scott, who does tremendous work for us here as engineering.

Speaker 11 (01:37:08):
He takes down the six egg burrito and I've actually
watched it, and then he usually, you know, he's you're
long enough.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Sometimes he gets to a second one, that one for
those days you need to eat a dozen egg and
there's no devil baggs like you put. You put twenty
four devil eggs in front.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
Of me, and I can take out a different SmackDown
breakfast burrito that has and cheese inside of it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Oh my god, forget about it. Forget it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:32):
I'm starting to think that what we do is we advertise, hey,
come down and see us, but more importantly, see the
marvel of the six egg burrito.

Speaker 9 (01:37:39):
This year Scott takes down.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
So let me ask you. We were just talking about.
You know, there's there's there's a word out there that
Jerry Jones is talking to Dion Sanders. A Eron is
convinced this is just smoke to be used as contract
negotiation to see you. I'm not as certain as he is.

Speaker 9 (01:37:55):
I think it's probably smoke as well, but I will say.

Speaker 11 (01:37:59):
That, yeah, it's it's it's all smoke and theoretical until
a number is out there until there's actual negotiations.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
Until you guys are interviewing coach Prime and he says
he's not going to leave, and then he's going somewhere else.
Ko is the home of college coaches lying on the
air before they take another Mel Tucker on mel Anyway,
Now it's time for the most exciting segment on the

(01:38:29):
radio of its kind in the world on the day.
I love that you do that for Sam three.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
I'll get a little weird looks.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
That's okay. I get weird looks all the time, and
I don't even do that in Sam three. Okay, let's
dad joke of the day.

Speaker 9 (01:38:44):
What do you call a medieval spy?

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
A medieval spy?

Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
This one?

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
I don't know, what is it?

Speaker 7 (01:38:53):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (01:38:56):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
That one was fun.

Speaker 9 (01:38:57):
That was funny, Like the opposite ones.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
I would kill Ryan my joke from yesterday, Ryan, what
do you call a Frenchman wearing sandals? Go ahead, Philip
flop terrible. I loved it. It was great. Good see
Ryan knows.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
Ryan knows.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
Okay, what is our word of the day? Please?

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
It is?

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
I forgot how it's a verb intenerate in t Espella
e I N T E N E r A T eerate.

Speaker 5 (01:39:30):
I have no Ideaerate. I'm gonna say it is to
bury something bury.

Speaker 9 (01:39:37):
Ryan, anything, No I got.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
I got nothing on that one to make soft or
tender or soften by burying it?

Speaker 9 (01:39:46):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
No partial credit?

Speaker 9 (01:39:47):
Okay credit?

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
What was the first city to host both the summer
and winter editions of the Olympic Games?

Speaker 9 (01:39:56):
Is in the US?

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
No, I don't think so. We haven't only I mean
Salt Lake did the Winter Games? Lake Placid, New York
do the Winter Games?

Speaker 9 (01:40:06):
I mean, is that you gonna guess it's somewhere in
the US. I just don't know where.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
I'm going to guess somewhere in Europe. Go Okay, you
want to guess there, Ryan, I have nothing for that,
And we are both wrong. Beijing the same host of
the Summer Games in two thousand and eight and the
Winter Games in twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
Twenty thirty TikTok Games. I will I will be definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:40:26):
Attempt twenty thirty TikTok Games. Yes, and then I won't
be able to come back there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
You go?

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Yeah, all right, where are we going? Jeopardy category? Pleasell
axe lash relax, Yes, hit your day off.

Speaker 9 (01:40:40):
Go ahead and be one of these spuds.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Manny, what's some cowich potato?

Speaker 9 (01:40:44):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:40:45):
You have to wait for the whole clue, though, that's
your one. Yes, because Ryan's on remote, you have to wait.

Speaker 9 (01:40:49):
For the whole clue.

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
Didn't do that when I was working with I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:40:52):
Yeah, because it's your game. Shell Ax with your partner
and enjoy a couples. One of these may be the
sweetish type, Ryan, Bryan, what is a correct one?

Speaker 9 (01:41:03):
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Speaker 6 (01:41:04):
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that delivers.

Speaker 9 (01:41:09):
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Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
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Speaker 9 (01:41:17):
It rhymes Ryan.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
What is stub hub?

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
Ryan?

Speaker 6 (01:41:22):
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Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
Oh golly, girl, I knew that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
I'm not giving myself Harvis one for saying, enjoy a
glass of the tawny type of this fortified wine that
is correct and finally reacts to some classical music like.

Speaker 9 (01:41:43):
This German composer's cannon. Indeed, it's not just for weddings
in Ryan's right.

Speaker 6 (01:41:53):
Oh, what did you say?

Speaker 9 (01:41:55):
Did you say?

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Pocabellies yea, Ryan's right, that's high. Yeah, so we're tired. Okay,
let's go to.

Speaker 6 (01:42:04):
I think you're t I'm gonna say the new category
real quick is shape up. A traditional honeycomb is made
of cells of this shape.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
Manny, what are what are octagon?

Speaker 10 (01:42:20):
Wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:42:21):
Yea, I was totally gonna guess octagon, but I was like,
I probably not that. I am my default. I am
testing waiting until the end of the clue when it's
an easy category.

Speaker 9 (01:42:38):
Of them alone.

Speaker 5 (01:42:41):
Whatever. Okay, what do you guys got coming up there
from Sam's Number three in Glendale.

Speaker 9 (01:42:45):
Oh, we're gonna have all sorts of fun. We're we're
gonna be here until six o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
Rod Smith is gonna be on the program at five o'clock.

Speaker 7 (01:42:52):
That'll be fun.

Speaker 11 (01:42:52):
And of course we're gonna recap a little bit of
the Wildcar weekend. Nuggets aren't actions, and I as for
an action, I play reasons to come down here and
join us, aid Sam with three Dinner and Bar in Glendale.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
All right, do that. We'll be back tomorrow. Keep it
right here on KOA