February 12, 2024 • 32 mins
WHAT WAS YOUR FAVORITE INTERVIEW EVER? I get asked that question a lot and the answer always surprises people I think. I've interviewed a lot of cool people but none of those had the impact that an interview with a guy named Vinney Tolman had. His story of dying, being placed in a body bag to be taken to the morgue and his subsequent "coming back" is the most interesting interview I've ever done and you should listen to it here. I even did a longer follow up here. And now he's back on the show so if you've listened to his story before and have questions, today is the day. Talking with Vinney and hearing his after death experience has changed the way I live my life. I use the phrase "life is classroom, not a courtroom" all the time. I hope he inspires you to live your best life too. He joins me at 1pm for a follow up. Follow him on Instagram here, and Facebook here. Buy his book here.
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Just last week or whenever we didour meet up with Rosskaminsky. Someone asked
the question, you know, whatis your favorite interview you've ever done?
And I think it's kind of adisappointing answer when I say, well,
it's not the President's I've interviewed,or the celebrities that I've interviewed, although
John Cleees was really cool. Itwas an interview I did with a man
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named Vinnie Tolman, and Vinnie's storyis absolutely incredible, and I asked him
to come back because he's just celebratedhis twenty first death day. I guess
is that what you call it,Vinnie, is that you're back from death
day? I mean, what,how do you refer to the day you
died and then came back? Icall it a death diversary death diversary?
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Of course, of course, youknow, not everyone has those. Vinny,
tell my audience, who may nothave heard your interviews prior on the
show, what happened that you endedup dead and in a body bag?
Back in two thousand and three,I took a supplement. It was a
concentrated supplement. It was too strongfor regular consumption. It needed to be
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diluted. But we didn't know.Me and a buddy of mine, we
didn't know it was a concentrated form. We took it and it was toxic
right away for us. We bothfelt that maybe if we ate something we'd
feel better. We went down toa restaurant. I collapsed in the bathroom
of that restaurant with the door locked. My buddy collapsed on one of the
dining booths. They ended up findinghim getting emergency services to him right away,
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but I collapsed on my back andI ended up vomiting and asperating.
So that's what did me in,was aspiration. And it was at least
ninety minutes before they found you.Right Well, they found me about about
an hour and then they did pronounceme dead from the telephone call till I
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was back alive. They actually gotthe heartback going. That was another about
forty five minutes, so an hourforty five maybe an hour and a half
at the shortest, Yeah, withno heart rate, no nothing. And
when the paramedics showed up, theywere like, this guy is a goner.
Just go ahead and throw him ina body bag, which I didn't
know until I spoke with Vinnie thesecond time. That's a special category of
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people who have had after death experiencescalled baggers. I find that fascinating.
If you were in the body bag, you're in a different level, you
know, I mean, but then, yeah, there's quite a few of
us out there. It's pretty amazing. I'm you know, death is not
as finite as what we understand forsure. So the part that you were
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in the back of the ambulance,you've been declared dead, you're in a
body bag, you're zipped up.They're not even going to the hospital,
They're going to the morgue and tellthe audience what happened then, because this
to me is that this is God'sintervention in my mind, Yeah, I
agree. There was a three mancrew that was taking me. There was
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taking my body into the medical examiner. The third man was a rookie and
it was his first week on thejob. He felt a prompting. What
it looked like to me because Iwas watching it happen, it looked like
a loud message got delivered to himthat this one's not dead. To him.
Later I did get to meet withhim and talk with him. He
said he just get an understanding ora knowing, like a gut knowing that
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I wasn't all the way gone,even though all the signs said I was
gone. In fact, I wascold. I was literally cold to the
touch. He still went ahead andlooked for a sign, and he felt
he got enough of a sign,so he went ahead and attempted resuscitation,
and once he hooked up the defibmachine, he got my heart to start
beating on its own after the thirdround of shocks. And I find it
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fascinating that you have actually tried totalk to that paramedic about this experience and
he kind of waved you off right, kind of like, Nope, don't
want to talk about it. Imean, it's why do you think that
is? I felt because it wasway outside his understanding or comfort zone.
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I tried to get him to talkmore about his perception of that intuition,
but he just kept saying, youknow what, I just had a gut
instinct. I just knew, Andhe kind of wouldn't let me go any
further with him on that. ButI just loved him and still love him,
respect him so much for what hedid for me. Now, then
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he went on to have what hecalls an after death experience that is significant,
and he has a wonderful book aboutit, called The Light After Death,
My Journey to Heaven and Back.And I'm encapsulating so we can get
to the meat of the story here. But I would strongly recommend I put
a link to his website, hissocial media pages on the blog today.
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It's called The Light After Death,My Journey to Heaven and Back. But
I'm encapsulating because I kind of wantto get to the things you learned out
going too much on the journey,because the journey in and of itself is
fascinating. But we don't have aI can't I can't keep you for five
hours, so let's just kind ofcut to the chase and through your after
death experience. You came back withyour own kind of list of commandments almost,
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I mean you know, I meanyou you came back with these lessons
that you learned, and I kindof want to go through a few of
them, because after our conversation,Vinnie, I can't tell you how many
times in my life I refer tothe things in this book as as a
kind of an explanation or as ameans of comforting someone who is struggling with
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something, because so many people inlife are struggling with so many things.
There's a lot of judgment self,you know, personal judgment that they're laying
on themselves. And you said tome, you know this, this world
is not a courtroom. It's aclassroom. And just that change in perspective
allows you to forgive yourself for alot of dumb stuff that you've done,
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right, I mean, at leastit has for me. So let's kind
of jump into that a little bit, like some of the things that you
came back with that you've now incorporatedinto your life. Well, and to
me, I always I look atthese ten things that I learned. I
think of them as like enhancements,and they enhance our lives no matter what
our belief system is, no matterwhat our religion is. It just helps
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us be a better version of ourselves. And really, the way it was
portrayed to me is these were understandingsthat I had to understand or be willing
to accept as possibly real for meto make my own progress. But the
first and foremost was to be authentic. That until we can be authentically ourselves,
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we can't really progress in this life. So many of us spend so
much of our time putting on amask or a face. Everywhere that we
do that, we're avoiding opportunities forgrowth. And when we can be our
most authentic or most vulnerable, that'swhere we find our growth. That's where
we find the place is that wecan grow. And that was the first
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and foremost thing that I learned there. Then second one was understanding that there's
a purpose in this life, andthat purpose is for us to go to
school. We volunteer. It's notthat we were sent here. We volunteer
to come here, and we cometo learn how to create, how to
create relationships, how to build things, how to you know, use our
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desire to actually create. That's abig, a big functional part of why
we're in Earth school. And andjust as you said, a lot of
us will get in front of ourown way and keep ourselves from progressing by
self judgment or by you know,fear of the past. But understanding that
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the purpose that we're here is tobe in school and to learn and to
continually learn it changes things. Itchanges especially that self judgment factor. And
that essentially led me to the thethird thing I learned, which was love
everybody, all of it. Yeah, hold the thought on love everybody,
because I'm working on that one,but it's not as easy as the other
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one. But I do want tosort of talk about the notion that when
you view what you're doing in life, whatever it is, whatever challenge is
thrown up into your way right asthe opportunity to examine what's going on,
maybe in hindsight, because when badthings happen, you're emotional, you can
you know, you're just trying toget through it. You're trying to put
one foot in front of the other. But it's made me very introspective about
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the things that have happened in mylife, and I'm really seeking to try
and figure out if I'm making surethat I'm learning the lesson that I'm supposed
to learn, right, I mean, or if I'm learning anything from whatever
I'm going through, whatever experiences thatI have. And I will tell you
that is in my mind, oneof the number one sort of stop gap
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measures against falling into a victim mentality, right because a victim believes, well,
all of these things are happening tome, I can't control it,
I can't do anything. And whenyou think about it in terms of,
like all of this is happening fora reason that I have to sort out,
like I have something, I needto know something from this experience.
It becomes very empowering to look atthe things that happen that are external that
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you can't control and figure out whatam I supposed to do with this?
Or why is why? What reasonis this happening? What am I supposed
to glean from this? I don'tknow. I find it very empowering.
It is, it's really empowering forthe Here's what's really funny. You look
at little kids. You look atchildren, and when something bad happens to
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them, they cry very quickly,they bruise really easily, and then they
heal very fastly and get right backto their life, get right back to
play. And there's some great beautyin that that all of us should be
that way, that when life throwsus problems or obstacles, to not wallow
in them and think what do wedo to deserve them? Because that's that's
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something that we start to believe aswe get older, that we must have
done something to deserve it. Butif what we can do is we can
just release it and understand it's partof this school, it's part of this
class. That we're in and releaseit, let it go, and move
forward, just like children do.And there's a pristine beauty in that.
When we can allow that in ourlives, we can get to such a
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beautiful place that when I find veryvery helpful, let's get to three.
Love everybody. This one's hard,Vincent. It is hard to love everybody.
I mean, that just is tough. Yeah. It's the part that
makes it possible for me is Irecognize that there is a god spark,
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a piece of the creator and energyof the Creator in all of creation,
and that allows me to have anendearing love for all things, including you
know, things that aren't doing youknow, people and things that are doing
you know, actions that I don'tagree with with, I can still love
them. I can love them throughthose actions and love who they actually are.
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And people who are evil, that'sseeing through the surface differences that really
helps you identify the core of whothey are, and the light of who
they are makes it easier to lovethem. Even people are who are engaged
in evil activities, people who harmchildren, people who you know are are
responsible for the massacre of thousands ofpeople, or people who are currently plotting
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to murder other people because of theirviews. I mean that you're talking about
everybody here, everybody. Yeah,And you know, one of the things
that I learned in my experience isI was raised in a biracial home,
so I felt that I was aboutthe least prejudice person I knew. And
my guide, who was helping methrough this whole journey, he asked me,
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He said, well, I canI can see that you don't feel
that you're prejudice, but how doyou feel about prejudice people? And I
just went off. I was like, well, prejudice people, let me
tell you about them, you know. And I just went off. And
he helped me understand that by mejudging even prejudice and ignorant people, for
me judging them, I was joiningthem, I was becoming them. And
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that was a huge aha for me. And that plays right into that love
everyone. That if you can loveeveryone behind and through their mistakes, their
misjudgments, even their prejudices, thenit allows you to exist at a completely
different level than normal humanity. Andthat's much much closer to what you know
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God or source is existing at.Okay, so number four, we've got
love everybody. At number three,put an explanation, exploit you know,
at point at the end of thatone, what do we got from number
four here? Four is listen toyour inner voice. So everybody has an
inner voice. Anybody who says thatthey don't, just they stop listening to
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it. We all have an innervoice. There's certain exercises we can do
to help strengthen that inner voice.One of my favorite exercises is to wake
up every morning and ask ask God, ask the universe, ask whatever deity
you follow, Ask that deity,who is it that needs me today?
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And be very aware of the firstimages or names that come into your mind,
into your soul, and you'll besurprised how often if you will reach
out to that person and just sendthem a kind text or a message,
or you know, go have lunchwith them, you'll find that that's the
very moment they needed you to dothat that they in turn, we're needing
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someone to reach out at that verymoment. And it's a perfect little exercise
for you to see that. Youknow, we're all connected. We are
every single one of us are connected. And that was one of the principles
towards the end there, that we'reall connected at an energetic and a sole
level. And it's very important forus to have the desire to take care
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of each other because when we havethat desire, then we can have the
action. And then when we havethe action, we can have the benefit.
The benefit or the blessing is thatwe get a stronger connection to our
creator, we get a stronger connectionto spirit. All right. Number five?
What do we got? Number fiveis used technology responsibly, understanding that
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the technology is a tool and itcan be a tool to replace divinity or
it can be a tool to amplifyyour connection with divinity. But the difference
is you make the choice, andif you're not making a choice, you
are replacing divinity with it. Wow. So I mean if you're not actively
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using it to amplify divinity. Gointo that a little bit, because first
of all, I'm surprised that youknow, in the afterlife we're having a
conversation about technology, right, Imean, does that seem a little odd?
I mean, well, it wasshown to me that we have this
precious moment right when we wake up, and we have a precious moment before
we go to bed. I callit the hour of power. It's the
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thirty minutes right when you wake up, then thirty minutes before you go to
bed. You're really ceiling off yourday with what you put in that time.
And if you put news and currentevents and wars and even whether in
that space, you tend to gotowards the negative energies of life. You
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tend to be influenced by negative energyconsistently, and it starts putting you in
a negative paradigm, almost in anegative cage, so that everything that's happening
you only see it from the negativepoint of view. But that precious hour
of power, we can put somethingpositive there and no matter what's actually going
on around us, we can thinkpositively about it. And thinking positively about
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it actually attracts more solutions for us, attracts better options and better scenarios,
better outcomes. So it's really importantfor us to master our hour of power.
And when we can, we canmaster what's going to happen around us
in what way? I mean whenyou say master what's happening around us in
what way? Because I love itlike the master of all I survey,
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but I don't feel like that's goingto happen anytime soon. So if we
if we can master the energy aroundus, we can master the outcome around
us. And it starts with ourthoughts. The beginning, the baby steps
to mastering our environment is mastering ourthoughts. Once we can really control our
thoughts put that keep them in apositive space, then it starts bringing us
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towards a positive life, whether we'recreating it ourselves or whether we're attracting it
or both. It starts with thethoughts. And if you know, if
all you do all day is seeways that you're being turned into a victim,
you will find more opportunities to bea victim. Or on the flip
side of that, if you're findingmore and more ways to overcome the past
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and overcome maybe being a victim inthe past, then you're going to find
more ways to overcome your past andcreate a new future for yourself. So
it starts with just our thoughts.My favorite Episcopalian priest who's also a very
good friend of mine, father Mike, always says it very succinctly when he
says, you find what you seek, and if you are looking for ways
to be a victim, you willfind them. If you're looking for ways
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to take control of your life,you will find them. It really depends
on what you're looking for, allright. So number six, what do
we got, Vinnie? Number sixis released prejudice, And that was the
one that again was one of thehardest ones for me. I saw that
I was becoming prejudiced by having prejudicetowards prejudice people, and that was a
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big aha. And as I realizedthat I was joining that team, I
had to put myself in a placewhere I wasn't judging anyone, even people
that were actively and aggressively doing thingsthat were negative. I could not judge
them or put myself in a placeof judgment. I needed to love them,
and in doing that, you helpresolve the energy that causes prejudice.
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You're never going to fight prejudice bybeing anti prejudice because you're you essentially are
becoming prejudiced and doing so that couldapply to so many things and I'm just
gonna kill you, Yeah, Imean that that one. And that's another
hard one that goes with love everybody, But those two are the hardest because
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we so reflexively have judgments. Becauseour judgments are there in some ways to
keep us safe. Right when I'mwalking down the street and I see some
shady looking person walking towards me,I may cross the street because I'm concerned
about what they're going to do.So how do you reconcile those types of
judgments with what you're talking about?So to give you that exact scenario,
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if I'm in that scenario, Isee someone that's kind of shady looking on
my side of the street, Iwill actually ask my intuition, hey,
is there a bad intention on thatperson? And instantly I'll get an answer.
And if I don't get an answer, I might I might side on
the side of caution, but Iwill lovingly cross the street, not fearfully,
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which is, yeah, I loveyou, but I'm going over there
anyway, all right? Number sevenexactly, And then number seven. That's
the power of creation, and that'sour thoughts. Our thoughts are the power
of creation. We get to createour own reality here. Whether we admit
that or accept it or not,it doesn't matter. It is a fact
that we create our reality with ourthoughts. We can be in the worst
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of environments and the worst of situations, but we can still have a positive
outcome if we can control those thoughts. Those are so important for us to
control. And you know, nowadaysit's so easy for our thoughts to be
manipulated by fear and by entertainment becauseso much of our entertainment involves fear.
So you know, I, personally, I don't choose to indulge in too
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much entertainment that has any type offear basis or fear energy in it.
So you just don't consume it atall. Pee, I don't like being
scared. I don't like horror movies, I don't like being startled. I
just don't like any of it.So that would not be a big ask
for me to just give that stuffup. That would be like, Nope,
I'm good. So you're basically saying, be conscious of what you consume
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because it becomes you. Yes.Absolutely. And and the fact that we
were not built to be consumers.We were built to be creators. We've
just turned it into consumers. It'sup to us to get out of that
and crawl out of that. Okay, we have a much better way of
existing. Vinnie Toleman is my guest. His book The Light After Death,
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My Journey to Heaven and Back abouthis after death experience. Cannot recommend this
book highly enough, Vinnie, canyou hang on through a spot right because
I want to get the last threein here. But we're going to do
a commercial break here and do somenews. We'll be back with Vinnie Coleman
right after this. We're kind ofgiving a very high level view right now,
Vinnie. But the other thing,and maybe this is eight, nine
or ten, one of the otherthings that I've taken away from this is
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you probably do a better job thananyone I've ever talked to of explaining why
evil exists in the world. Solet's knock out eight, nine and ten
on this list and then kind ofcome back to that conversation, and if
people have questions, they can textthem to five six six nine zero and
we'll try and get them in inthis last little segment here. Absolutely well.
Eight is avoid negative influences. That'sthe eighth principle that I learned and
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understanding that if I put myself aroundnegative influences, I end up taking on
that energy. And negative influences canshow up mostly in entertainment, but they
can show up in our friends,They can show up in the games that
we play or the like I said, the entertainment choices that's the number one
spot for influencing us is what we'rechoosing to entertain ourselves with us. So
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it's important that we choose positive influencesin that space. And then that leads
me to the ninth principle, whichyou just hit on. There is purpose
in evil, And here's the purpose. If we don't have a choice,
and all there is is good outthere, then why are we at Earth
School. We choose to come toEarth School so that we can make a
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choice. But with the ability tochoose comes the option to choose incorrect or
evil, And so yes, thereis purpose even in having evil. It's
not to say that I would everstand behind any evil organization or being,
but I will stand behind the factthat it's important that we have that option
so that we can choose not todo it ourselves, and that any time
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you see the pendulum of life swingingtowards the side of evil, that there
will be a correction, and thatcorrection will swing towards the light and towards
love. A perfect example is WorldWar Two. It took an evil care
or to create an alliance between somany different countries that had never been aligned
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like that before, and so youknow, we get to see that pendulum
swing back and forth, but justunderstanding that there is some kind of purpose
there that's really important to us.And I got to see some traumatic events.
I got to see how God protectsus in those traumatic events, and
the precious souls that are being playedvictim to they have certain protections that happen
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around them prior towards their transfer ortheir their their moving or crossing over.
And if we can see the angelsand the spirits, the ancestors that are
helping with those transitions, we wouldcompletely change our belief on how evil affects
the world. They allow us topick up and move on without being so
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affected by it. So they actuallyget some kind of special special dispensation,
dispensation I mean, I don't knowhow else to put it. Their cares
differently, Yes, absolutely, SoI got to see with one particular traumatic
event that I witnessed in my physicallife. I saw this event happen before
my experience. They let me seethat particular experience, but see from the
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spirit perspective, and I saw thatbefore this man essentially was murdered, that
he had many spirits showing up aroundhim and protecting him at least as far
as his soul's welfare, so thathe could witness second hand outside of his
body, witness his own body dying. And it's special things like this that
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are already there. It's part ofthe system. We're here for Earth's school,
not for Earth trauma, and it'sus that takes the trauma on,
not the system itself. Yeah,I got to watch how he was protected
through that, which was absolutely amazing. So number ten ten is my favorite.
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I would say it's one of myfavorites. Anyway. Is that we
are all one and the same waythat our five fingers are one hand,
we are all fingers on the Creator'shand, and that when we hate or
we harm another, even someone whomay deserve it, we are only hating
and harming ourselves. And it's importantfor us to realize this so that we
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don't hate or harm others, eventhose who deserve them. You know,
justice is one thing, but wedon't need to go to the extent where
we harm. And because when weare harming, we are harming ourselves.
We're harming our energy, our souls, we're harming our collective energy. Now,
so would you put justice? That'san interesting term to bring up in
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that situation, justice meaning our legalsystem. I mean, what do you
mean by justice, because what Icould believe is justice that I'm meting out
to someone who has done me wrong. Right are you talking about letting a
third party met out that justice?What are you talking about right there?
Well, what happens is in ourlife we sometimes confuse justice with revenge,
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and when we wish harm on thosewho have caused harm, that is actually
called revenge. When we wish justice, we wish that there's a price to
be paid, and that price tobe paid is with no emotions attached,
none of our energy going into thenegative towards them, And so we can
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do a better job in this worldin our life understanding that we don't have
to have revenge with our justice.We can have justice without revenge, and
true justice would be us loving eventhose who hurt us. So this question
from a listener goes back to numberthree, which is love everybody. And
they say, okay, he says, love everyone, But does that mean
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I have to like them? No, you don't have to like them.
You can love them and not likethem. Actually, in fact, there's
a lot of people I sincerely lovebut I know that I can't even be
in proximity to them because we havea negative energy to each other, you
know, so we can love themfrom a distance. Okay, And this
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person said, Mandy, please askyour guest how he views death now that
he has actually experienced it. Andthis is part of what drew me to
your story in the first place.I've long been fascinated with after death experiences
because I think everybody wants to knowwhat is it like to die, but
they don't actually want to do itto find out, right, So let's
kind of talk about that, becauseI think it's interesting that when you came
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back, you were looking to goright back again without actually, you know,
inflicting any harm on yourself. Yeah, I was. I was signing
up to be a crab fisherman becauseit was one of the highest fatality jobs
at the time, So yeah,I really wanted to go back. I
knew I couldn't skirt the system anddo a suicide. I just knew that
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I would end up surviving the suicideand just be stuck in some type of
trauma states here. So I knewto go the right way, but I
was I was actively seeking out themost dangerous job I could get my hands
on so that I could go back, because you'll find a consensus and people
that have been there in that heavenlyspace, or they've crossed over and either
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forced back or chose to come back, they really yearn to get back there
eventually. And most of us aregoing to side with the energy of we
want to go back when it's ourtime. But we are so excited to
go back. So there's far underit's around ninety nine point nine percent of
us that have had this experience.We all want to just go back.
So let me ask you this becausethere are a lot of especially like neurosurgeons,
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who are like, you know what, there's a rational explanation for this.
The brain fires the memory center thatcalls up memories, and it's not
real and it's not really an afterdeath experience. How do you respond to
those clinicians or those literalists who say, Vinny, it just sounds like you
had a great dream. And youknow what, if you want to call
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it a great dream or you wantto call it a death experience, to
me, it doesn't change what happened. I pulled out of that. If
you want to call it a dream. I pulled out of that an image
of an ancestor I'd never met anddidn't even know he was my ancestor until
seven months after the experience. Andyou know, that's part of my journey
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is I too was feeling that thatwas a possibility. For the first six
to seven months of my coming backexperience. I had doctors telling me that
I was just my brain or myconsciousness making up, you know, different
images and memories to make up forthe lost time. And I knew that
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that was a possibility. I diduntil I actually saw my guide, till
I saw the real person of whomy guide was, and it was somebody
that I had never heard their nameonce, I'd never seen their picture once,
and it was a real person.And not only that, I got
the name correct to what his namewould be if I was his best friend.
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You know, he gave me thename that he wasn't even officially known
by on documented records. He gaveme the name that only his closest friends
and family used, which was hismiddle name, and officially everywhere that you
could find it, it was onlyused as an initial, not as a
name. So even you know thatthrown into the mix that helped solidify for
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me what the experience was for me. And that's what it was, an
experience. And I don't share itto say that it's gospel for anybody whatsoever.
I share it to help you understandthat there's a lot more to this
life than what we can know,so much more. Last question before I
let you go, This is BennyToleman Man, Oh, hang on one
second, not sure? Hang on? What is your best advice or guidance
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for young people? Put your phonesdown, look up in the sky,
go walking around, get away fromyour technology, and find your divinity because
we all have divinity within us.We all do. But because so many
people dive so much into their technology, they think technology has all the answers.
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It doesn't. Some of the bestanswers. And I feel the eternal
answers come from within within your soul, within your heart. That you won't
even learn how to look for thosethings or communicate with that energy unless you
put the phones down. Benny Toleman, great advice. His book The Light
After Death, My Journey to Heavenand Back is outstanding. And yes to
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the Texter who sent this that said, am I to leave that all his
life coaching insight came to him whilehe was dead. Yes, indeed,
that is what we're talking about,Vinnie. I appreciate you making a return
visit, and I hope that wehit somebody today in a way that they
needed it, you know. AndI, like I said, I will
be in one of your classes soonbecause I just I this has been very
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helpful for me. It's given mea sense of peace about my life and
the way things are going that Idid not have before. And that's I'm
hoping we can give to other people. I appreciate you coming back. Thank
you so much, Mandy, thanksfor having me and sending tremendous love to
your audience, to you, toeveryone. All Right, that's been,
he told me.
Just last week or whenever we didour meet up with Rosskaminsky. Someone asked
the question, you know, whatis your favorite interview you've ever done?
And I think it's kind of adisappointing answer when I say, well,
it's not the President's I've interviewed,or the celebrities that I've interviewed, although
John Cleees was really cool. Itwas an interview I did with a man
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named Vinnie Tolman, and Vinnie's storyis absolutely incredible, and I asked him
to come back because he's just celebratedhis twenty first death day. I guess
is that what you call it,Vinnie, is that you're back from death
day? I mean, what,how do you refer to the day you
died and then came back? Icall it a death diversary death diversary?
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Of course, of course, youknow, not everyone has those. Vinny,
tell my audience, who may nothave heard your interviews prior on the
show, what happened that you endedup dead and in a body bag?
Back in two thousand and three,I took a supplement. It was a
concentrated supplement. It was too strongfor regular consumption. It needed to be
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diluted. But we didn't know.Me and a buddy of mine, we
didn't know it was a concentrated form. We took it and it was toxic
right away for us. We bothfelt that maybe if we ate something we'd
feel better. We went down toa restaurant. I collapsed in the bathroom
of that restaurant with the door locked. My buddy collapsed on one of the
dining booths. They ended up findinghim getting emergency services to him right away,
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but I collapsed on my back andI ended up vomiting and asperating.
So that's what did me in,was aspiration. And it was at least
ninety minutes before they found you.Right Well, they found me about about
an hour and then they did pronounceme dead from the telephone call till I
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was back alive. They actually gotthe heartback going. That was another about
forty five minutes, so an hourforty five maybe an hour and a half
at the shortest, Yeah, withno heart rate, no nothing. And
when the paramedics showed up, theywere like, this guy is a goner.
Just go ahead and throw him ina body bag, which I didn't
know until I spoke with Vinnie thesecond time. That's a special category of
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people who have had after death experiencescalled baggers. I find that fascinating.
If you were in the body bag, you're in a different level, you
know, I mean, but then, yeah, there's quite a few of
us out there. It's pretty amazing. I'm you know, death is not
as finite as what we understand forsure. So the part that you were
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in the back of the ambulance,you've been declared dead, you're in a
body bag, you're zipped up.They're not even going to the hospital,
They're going to the morgue and tellthe audience what happened then, because this
to me is that this is God'sintervention in my mind, Yeah, I
agree. There was a three mancrew that was taking me. There was
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taking my body into the medical examiner. The third man was a rookie and
it was his first week on thejob. He felt a prompting. What
it looked like to me because Iwas watching it happen, it looked like
a loud message got delivered to himthat this one's not dead. To him.
Later I did get to meet withhim and talk with him. He
said he just get an understanding ora knowing, like a gut knowing that
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I wasn't all the way gone,even though all the signs said I was
gone. In fact, I wascold. I was literally cold to the
touch. He still went ahead andlooked for a sign, and he felt
he got enough of a sign,so he went ahead and attempted resuscitation,
and once he hooked up the defibmachine, he got my heart to start
beating on its own after the thirdround of shocks. And I find it
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fascinating that you have actually tried totalk to that paramedic about this experience and
he kind of waved you off right, kind of like, Nope, don't
want to talk about it. Imean, it's why do you think that
is? I felt because it wasway outside his understanding or comfort zone.
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I tried to get him to talkmore about his perception of that intuition,
but he just kept saying, youknow what, I just had a gut
instinct. I just knew, Andhe kind of wouldn't let me go any
further with him on that. ButI just loved him and still love him,
respect him so much for what hedid for me. Now, then
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he went on to have what hecalls an after death experience that is significant,
and he has a wonderful book aboutit, called The Light After Death,
My Journey to Heaven and Back.And I'm encapsulating so we can get
to the meat of the story here. But I would strongly recommend I put
a link to his website, hissocial media pages on the blog today.
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It's called The Light After Death,My Journey to Heaven and Back. But
I'm encapsulating because I kind of wantto get to the things you learned out
going too much on the journey,because the journey in and of itself is
fascinating. But we don't have aI can't I can't keep you for five
hours, so let's just kind ofcut to the chase and through your after
death experience. You came back withyour own kind of list of commandments almost,
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I mean you know, I meanyou you came back with these lessons
that you learned, and I kindof want to go through a few of
them, because after our conversation,Vinnie, I can't tell you how many
times in my life I refer tothe things in this book as as a
kind of an explanation or as ameans of comforting someone who is struggling with
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something, because so many people inlife are struggling with so many things.
There's a lot of judgment self,you know, personal judgment that they're laying
on themselves. And you said tome, you know this, this world
is not a courtroom. It's aclassroom. And just that change in perspective
allows you to forgive yourself for alot of dumb stuff that you've done,
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right, I mean, at leastit has for me. So let's kind
of jump into that a little bit, like some of the things that you
came back with that you've now incorporatedinto your life. Well, and to
me, I always I look atthese ten things that I learned. I
think of them as like enhancements,and they enhance our lives no matter what
our belief system is, no matterwhat our religion is. It just helps
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us be a better version of ourselves. And really, the way it was
portrayed to me is these were understandingsthat I had to understand or be willing
to accept as possibly real for meto make my own progress. But the
first and foremost was to be authentic. That until we can be authentically ourselves,
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we can't really progress in this life. So many of us spend so
much of our time putting on amask or a face. Everywhere that we
do that, we're avoiding opportunities forgrowth. And when we can be our
most authentic or most vulnerable, that'swhere we find our growth. That's where
we find the place is that wecan grow. And that was the first
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and foremost thing that I learned there. Then second one was understanding that there's
a purpose in this life, andthat purpose is for us to go to
school. We volunteer. It's notthat we were sent here. We volunteer
to come here, and we cometo learn how to create, how to
create relationships, how to build things, how to you know, use our
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desire to actually create. That's abig, a big functional part of why
we're in Earth school. And andjust as you said, a lot of
us will get in front of ourown way and keep ourselves from progressing by
self judgment or by you know,fear of the past. But understanding that
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the purpose that we're here is tobe in school and to learn and to
continually learn it changes things. Itchanges especially that self judgment factor. And
that essentially led me to the thethird thing I learned, which was love
everybody, all of it. Yeah, hold the thought on love everybody,
because I'm working on that one,but it's not as easy as the other
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one. But I do want tosort of talk about the notion that when
you view what you're doing in life, whatever it is, whatever challenge is
thrown up into your way right asthe opportunity to examine what's going on,
maybe in hindsight, because when badthings happen, you're emotional, you can
you know, you're just trying toget through it. You're trying to put
one foot in front of the other. But it's made me very introspective about
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the things that have happened in mylife, and I'm really seeking to try
and figure out if I'm making surethat I'm learning the lesson that I'm supposed
to learn, right, I mean, or if I'm learning anything from whatever
I'm going through, whatever experiences thatI have. And I will tell you
that is in my mind, oneof the number one sort of stop gap
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measures against falling into a victim mentality, right because a victim believes, well,
all of these things are happening tome, I can't control it,
I can't do anything. And whenyou think about it in terms of,
like all of this is happening fora reason that I have to sort out,
like I have something, I needto know something from this experience.
It becomes very empowering to look atthe things that happen that are external that
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you can't control and figure out whatam I supposed to do with this?
Or why is why? What reasonis this happening? What am I supposed
to glean from this? I don'tknow. I find it very empowering.
It is, it's really empowering forthe Here's what's really funny. You look
at little kids. You look atchildren, and when something bad happens to
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them, they cry very quickly,they bruise really easily, and then they
heal very fastly and get right backto their life, get right back to
play. And there's some great beautyin that that all of us should be
that way, that when life throwsus problems or obstacles, to not wallow
in them and think what do wedo to deserve them? Because that's that's
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something that we start to believe aswe get older, that we must have
done something to deserve it. Butif what we can do is we can
just release it and understand it's partof this school, it's part of this
class. That we're in and releaseit, let it go, and move
forward, just like children do.And there's a pristine beauty in that.
When we can allow that in ourlives, we can get to such a
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beautiful place that when I find veryvery helpful, let's get to three.
Love everybody. This one's hard,Vincent. It is hard to love everybody.
I mean, that just is tough. Yeah. It's the part that
makes it possible for me is Irecognize that there is a god spark,
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a piece of the creator and energyof the Creator in all of creation,
and that allows me to have anendearing love for all things, including you
know, things that aren't doing youknow, people and things that are doing
you know, actions that I don'tagree with with, I can still love
them. I can love them throughthose actions and love who they actually are.
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And people who are evil, that'sseeing through the surface differences that really
helps you identify the core of whothey are, and the light of who
they are makes it easier to lovethem. Even people are who are engaged
in evil activities, people who harmchildren, people who you know are are
responsible for the massacre of thousands ofpeople, or people who are currently plotting
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to murder other people because of theirviews. I mean that you're talking about
everybody here, everybody. Yeah,And you know, one of the things
that I learned in my experience isI was raised in a biracial home,
so I felt that I was aboutthe least prejudice person I knew. And
my guide, who was helping methrough this whole journey, he asked me,
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He said, well, I canI can see that you don't feel
that you're prejudice, but how doyou feel about prejudice people? And I
just went off. I was like, well, prejudice people, let me
tell you about them, you know. And I just went off. And
he helped me understand that by mejudging even prejudice and ignorant people, for
me judging them, I was joiningthem, I was becoming them. And
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that was a huge aha for me. And that plays right into that love
everyone. That if you can loveeveryone behind and through their mistakes, their
misjudgments, even their prejudices, thenit allows you to exist at a completely
different level than normal humanity. Andthat's much much closer to what you know
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God or source is existing at.Okay, so number four, we've got
love everybody. At number three,put an explanation, exploit you know,
at point at the end of thatone, what do we got from number
four here? Four is listen toyour inner voice. So everybody has an
inner voice. Anybody who says thatthey don't, just they stop listening to
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it. We all have an innervoice. There's certain exercises we can do
to help strengthen that inner voice.One of my favorite exercises is to wake
up every morning and ask ask God, ask the universe, ask whatever deity
you follow, Ask that deity,who is it that needs me today?
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And be very aware of the firstimages or names that come into your mind,
into your soul, and you'll besurprised how often if you will reach
out to that person and just sendthem a kind text or a message,
or you know, go have lunchwith them, you'll find that that's the
very moment they needed you to dothat that they in turn, we're needing
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someone to reach out at that verymoment. And it's a perfect little exercise
for you to see that. Youknow, we're all connected. We are
every single one of us are connected. And that was one of the principles
towards the end there, that we'reall connected at an energetic and a sole
level. And it's very important forus to have the desire to take care
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of each other because when we havethat desire, then we can have the
action. And then when we havethe action, we can have the benefit.
The benefit or the blessing is thatwe get a stronger connection to our
creator, we get a stronger connectionto spirit. All right. Number five?
What do we got? Number fiveis used technology responsibly, understanding that
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the technology is a tool and itcan be a tool to replace divinity or
it can be a tool to amplifyyour connection with divinity. But the difference
is you make the choice, andif you're not making a choice, you
are replacing divinity with it. Wow. So I mean if you're not actively
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using it to amplify divinity. Gointo that a little bit, because first
of all, I'm surprised that youknow, in the afterlife we're having a
conversation about technology, right, Imean, does that seem a little odd?
I mean, well, it wasshown to me that we have this
precious moment right when we wake up, and we have a precious moment before
we go to bed. I callit the hour of power. It's the
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thirty minutes right when you wake up, then thirty minutes before you go to
bed. You're really ceiling off yourday with what you put in that time.
And if you put news and currentevents and wars and even whether in
that space, you tend to gotowards the negative energies of life. You
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tend to be influenced by negative energyconsistently, and it starts putting you in
a negative paradigm, almost in anegative cage, so that everything that's happening
you only see it from the negativepoint of view. But that precious hour
of power, we can put somethingpositive there and no matter what's actually going
on around us, we can thinkpositively about it. And thinking positively about
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it actually attracts more solutions for us, attracts better options and better scenarios,
better outcomes. So it's really importantfor us to master our hour of power.
And when we can, we canmaster what's going to happen around us
in what way? I mean whenyou say master what's happening around us in
what way? Because I love itlike the master of all I survey,
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but I don't feel like that's goingto happen anytime soon. So if we
if we can master the energy aroundus, we can master the outcome around
us. And it starts with ourthoughts. The beginning, the baby steps
to mastering our environment is mastering ourthoughts. Once we can really control our
thoughts put that keep them in apositive space, then it starts bringing us
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towards a positive life, whether we'recreating it ourselves or whether we're attracting it
or both. It starts with thethoughts. And if you know, if
all you do all day is seeways that you're being turned into a victim,
you will find more opportunities to bea victim. Or on the flip
side of that, if you're findingmore and more ways to overcome the past
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and overcome maybe being a victim inthe past, then you're going to find
more ways to overcome your past andcreate a new future for yourself. So
it starts with just our thoughts.My favorite Episcopalian priest who's also a very
good friend of mine, father Mike, always says it very succinctly when he
says, you find what you seek, and if you are looking for ways
to be a victim, you willfind them. If you're looking for ways
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to take control of your life,you will find them. It really depends
on what you're looking for, allright. So number six, what do
we got, Vinnie? Number sixis released prejudice, And that was the
one that again was one of thehardest ones for me. I saw that
I was becoming prejudiced by having prejudicetowards prejudice people, and that was a
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big aha. And as I realizedthat I was joining that team, I
had to put myself in a placewhere I wasn't judging anyone, even people
that were actively and aggressively doing thingsthat were negative. I could not judge
them or put myself in a placeof judgment. I needed to love them,
and in doing that, you helpresolve the energy that causes prejudice.
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You're never going to fight prejudice bybeing anti prejudice because you're you essentially are
becoming prejudiced and doing so that couldapply to so many things and I'm just
gonna kill you, Yeah, Imean that that one. And that's another
hard one that goes with love everybody, But those two are the hardest because
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we so reflexively have judgments. Becauseour judgments are there in some ways to
keep us safe. Right when I'mwalking down the street and I see some
shady looking person walking towards me,I may cross the street because I'm concerned
about what they're going to do.So how do you reconcile those types of
judgments with what you're talking about?So to give you that exact scenario,
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if I'm in that scenario, Isee someone that's kind of shady looking on
my side of the street, Iwill actually ask my intuition, hey,
is there a bad intention on thatperson? And instantly I'll get an answer.
And if I don't get an answer, I might I might side on
the side of caution, but Iwill lovingly cross the street, not fearfully,
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which is, yeah, I loveyou, but I'm going over there
anyway, all right? Number sevenexactly, And then number seven. That's
the power of creation, and that'sour thoughts. Our thoughts are the power
of creation. We get to createour own reality here. Whether we admit
that or accept it or not,it doesn't matter. It is a fact
that we create our reality with ourthoughts. We can be in the worst
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of environments and the worst of situations, but we can still have a positive
outcome if we can control those thoughts. Those are so important for us to
control. And you know, nowadaysit's so easy for our thoughts to be
manipulated by fear and by entertainment becauseso much of our entertainment involves fear.
So you know, I, personally, I don't choose to indulge in too
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much entertainment that has any type offear basis or fear energy in it.
So you just don't consume it atall. Pee, I don't like being
scared. I don't like horror movies, I don't like being startled. I
just don't like any of it.So that would not be a big ask
for me to just give that stuffup. That would be like, Nope,
I'm good. So you're basically saying, be conscious of what you consume
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because it becomes you. Yes.Absolutely. And and the fact that we
were not built to be consumers.We were built to be creators. We've
just turned it into consumers. It'sup to us to get out of that
and crawl out of that. Okay, we have a much better way of
existing. Vinnie Toleman is my guest. His book The Light After Death,
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My Journey to Heaven and Back abouthis after death experience. Cannot recommend this
book highly enough, Vinnie, canyou hang on through a spot right because
I want to get the last threein here. But we're going to do
a commercial break here and do somenews. We'll be back with Vinnie Coleman
right after this. We're kind ofgiving a very high level view right now,
Vinnie. But the other thing,and maybe this is eight, nine
or ten, one of the otherthings that I've taken away from this is
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you probably do a better job thananyone I've ever talked to of explaining why
evil exists in the world. Solet's knock out eight, nine and ten
on this list and then kind ofcome back to that conversation, and if
people have questions, they can textthem to five six six nine zero and
we'll try and get them in inthis last little segment here. Absolutely well.
Eight is avoid negative influences. That'sthe eighth principle that I learned and
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understanding that if I put myself aroundnegative influences, I end up taking on
that energy. And negative influences canshow up mostly in entertainment, but they
can show up in our friends,They can show up in the games that
we play or the like I said, the entertainment choices that's the number one
spot for influencing us is what we'rechoosing to entertain ourselves with us. So
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it's important that we choose positive influencesin that space. And then that leads
me to the ninth principle, whichyou just hit on. There is purpose
in evil, And here's the purpose. If we don't have a choice,
and all there is is good outthere, then why are we at Earth
School. We choose to come toEarth School so that we can make a
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choice. But with the ability tochoose comes the option to choose incorrect or
evil, And so yes, thereis purpose even in having evil. It's
not to say that I would everstand behind any evil organization or being,
but I will stand behind the factthat it's important that we have that option
so that we can choose not todo it ourselves, and that any time
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you see the pendulum of life swingingtowards the side of evil, that there
will be a correction, and thatcorrection will swing towards the light and towards
love. A perfect example is WorldWar Two. It took an evil care
or to create an alliance between somany different countries that had never been aligned
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like that before, and so youknow, we get to see that pendulum
swing back and forth, but justunderstanding that there is some kind of purpose
there that's really important to us.And I got to see some traumatic events.
I got to see how God protectsus in those traumatic events, and
the precious souls that are being playedvictim to they have certain protections that happen
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around them prior towards their transfer ortheir their their moving or crossing over.
And if we can see the angelsand the spirits, the ancestors that are
helping with those transitions, we wouldcompletely change our belief on how evil affects
the world. They allow us topick up and move on without being so
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affected by it. So they actuallyget some kind of special special dispensation,
dispensation I mean, I don't knowhow else to put it. Their cares
differently, Yes, absolutely, SoI got to see with one particular traumatic
event that I witnessed in my physicallife. I saw this event happen before
my experience. They let me seethat particular experience, but see from the
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spirit perspective, and I saw thatbefore this man essentially was murdered, that
he had many spirits showing up aroundhim and protecting him at least as far
as his soul's welfare, so thathe could witness second hand outside of his
body, witness his own body dying. And it's special things like this that
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are already there. It's part ofthe system. We're here for Earth's school,
not for Earth trauma, and it'sus that takes the trauma on,
not the system itself. Yeah,I got to watch how he was protected
through that, which was absolutely amazing. So number ten ten is my favorite.
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I would say it's one of myfavorites. Anyway. Is that we
are all one and the same waythat our five fingers are one hand,
we are all fingers on the Creator'shand, and that when we hate or
we harm another, even someone whomay deserve it, we are only hating
and harming ourselves. And it's importantfor us to realize this so that we
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don't hate or harm others, eventhose who deserve them. You know,
justice is one thing, but wedon't need to go to the extent where
we harm. And because when weare harming, we are harming ourselves.
We're harming our energy, our souls, we're harming our collective energy. Now,
so would you put justice? That'san interesting term to bring up in
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that situation, justice meaning our legalsystem. I mean, what do you
mean by justice, because what Icould believe is justice that I'm meting out
to someone who has done me wrong. Right are you talking about letting a
third party met out that justice?What are you talking about right there?
Well, what happens is in ourlife we sometimes confuse justice with revenge,
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and when we wish harm on thosewho have caused harm, that is actually
called revenge. When we wish justice, we wish that there's a price to
be paid, and that price tobe paid is with no emotions attached,
none of our energy going into thenegative towards them, And so we can
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do a better job in this worldin our life understanding that we don't have
to have revenge with our justice.We can have justice without revenge, and
true justice would be us loving eventhose who hurt us. So this question
from a listener goes back to numberthree, which is love everybody. And
they say, okay, he says, love everyone, But does that mean
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I have to like them? No, you don't have to like them.
You can love them and not likethem. Actually, in fact, there's
a lot of people I sincerely lovebut I know that I can't even be
in proximity to them because we havea negative energy to each other, you
know, so we can love themfrom a distance. Okay, And this
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person said, Mandy, please askyour guest how he views death now that
he has actually experienced it. Andthis is part of what drew me to
your story in the first place.I've long been fascinated with after death experiences
because I think everybody wants to knowwhat is it like to die, but
they don't actually want to do itto find out, right, So let's
kind of talk about that, becauseI think it's interesting that when you came
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back, you were looking to goright back again without actually, you know,
inflicting any harm on yourself. Yeah, I was. I was signing
up to be a crab fisherman becauseit was one of the highest fatality jobs
at the time, So yeah,I really wanted to go back. I
knew I couldn't skirt the system anddo a suicide. I just knew that
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I would end up surviving the suicideand just be stuck in some type of
trauma states here. So I knewto go the right way, but I
was I was actively seeking out themost dangerous job I could get my hands
on so that I could go back, because you'll find a consensus and people
that have been there in that heavenlyspace, or they've crossed over and either
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forced back or chose to come back, they really yearn to get back there
eventually. And most of us aregoing to side with the energy of we
want to go back when it's ourtime. But we are so excited to
go back. So there's far underit's around ninety nine point nine percent of
us that have had this experience.We all want to just go back.
So let me ask you this becausethere are a lot of especially like neurosurgeons,
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who are like, you know what, there's a rational explanation for this.
The brain fires the memory center thatcalls up memories, and it's not
real and it's not really an afterdeath experience. How do you respond to
those clinicians or those literalists who say, Vinny, it just sounds like you
had a great dream. And youknow what, if you want to call
(29:17):
it a great dream or you wantto call it a death experience, to
me, it doesn't change what happened. I pulled out of that. If
you want to call it a dream. I pulled out of that an image
of an ancestor I'd never met anddidn't even know he was my ancestor until
seven months after the experience. Andyou know, that's part of my journey
(29:38):
is I too was feeling that thatwas a possibility. For the first six
to seven months of my coming backexperience. I had doctors telling me that
I was just my brain or myconsciousness making up, you know, different
images and memories to make up forthe lost time. And I knew that
(29:59):
that was a possibility. I diduntil I actually saw my guide, till
I saw the real person of whomy guide was, and it was somebody
that I had never heard their nameonce, I'd never seen their picture once,
and it was a real person.And not only that, I got
the name correct to what his namewould be if I was his best friend.
(30:22):
You know, he gave me thename that he wasn't even officially known
by on documented records. He gaveme the name that only his closest friends
and family used, which was hismiddle name, and officially everywhere that you
could find it, it was onlyused as an initial, not as a
name. So even you know thatthrown into the mix that helped solidify for
(30:45):
me what the experience was for me. And that's what it was, an
experience. And I don't share itto say that it's gospel for anybody whatsoever.
I share it to help you understandthat there's a lot more to this
life than what we can know,so much more. Last question before I
let you go, This is BennyToleman Man, Oh, hang on one
second, not sure? Hang on? What is your best advice or guidance
(31:11):
for young people? Put your phonesdown, look up in the sky,
go walking around, get away fromyour technology, and find your divinity because
we all have divinity within us.We all do. But because so many
people dive so much into their technology, they think technology has all the answers.
(31:34):
It doesn't. Some of the bestanswers. And I feel the eternal
answers come from within within your soul, within your heart. That you won't
even learn how to look for thosethings or communicate with that energy unless you
put the phones down. Benny Toleman, great advice. His book The Light
After Death, My Journey to Heavenand Back is outstanding. And yes to
(31:56):
the Texter who sent this that said, am I to leave that all his
life coaching insight came to him whilehe was dead. Yes, indeed,
that is what we're talking about,Vinnie. I appreciate you making a return
visit, and I hope that wehit somebody today in a way that they
needed it, you know. AndI, like I said, I will
be in one of your classes soonbecause I just I this has been very
(32:20):
helpful for me. It's given mea sense of peace about my life and
the way things are going that Idid not have before. And that's I'm
hoping we can give to other people. I appreciate you coming back. Thank
you so much, Mandy, thanksfor having me and sending tremendous love to
your audience, to you, toeveryone. All Right, that's been,
he told me.
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