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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A bunch of data that was sent out to the
State Central Committee yesterday or the day before, not sure which.
It was sent to me yesterday, and it shows the
ways that the prior leadership of the Colorado Republican Party
chose to spend money. And joining me now is the
new chairperson of the Colorado Republican Party, Britta Horn to
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kind of talk about what this looks like and what
it actually means. Britta. First of all, welcome back to
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thanks for having me, Mandy. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So you sent out this email, Britta, to the State
Central Committee and it was shared with me, and I
don't know if somebody was supposed to, but they did,
and I'm glad they did. And can you tell my
listeners what data you shared, not specifics, but what data
you put in this email and why you chose to
share it this way so it was tougher.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, I'd like, just like I said when I was
running for office, I do a one hundred day plan.
So this is the first thirty days, and it's like,
this is what we've been doing. And there's lot of
other pieces right there as well. You can see all
the different things we're doing. But the data that was
important to me is just like I've been as a
treasure of the treasure up in Steamboat Springs and Route
County years ago, is if you want to know what's
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going on with your group, you better want to watch
what you say, want to watch the where the blood
letting's going, where the money is going. And so that
was really important and kind of together. So what I
did is I went totally to the public information called
the SEC and went over there and I just took
all three years you have twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,
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and then the last three months the first three months
here in twenty twenty five, and put it together and
put all the like like expenses together, so like all
the legal was together, all the contributions were together, all
the consulting was together, all the events were together, and
it was a total of three years. But it's just
showing how much money was spent.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'm yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump right into some
of the numbers really quickly, because there's a couple that
jump out at me. Number one, two hundred and seventy
three thousand and eighty seven dollars and six cents in
legal fees. Who no, I mean, Britta, that's no, and
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a lot. How much of that was to sue other Republicans?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Absolutely, I mean it's a combination, like I said, of
twenty three, eight, twenty four, and three months of twenty five.
But you're looking at that and that doesn't even touch Mandy.
Another thing we have to talk about for all the
bills that are being wrapped up for the lawsuit with
the Clermont Institute, we have that on another account that
we're working on as well. This was straight up operating
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and it just seems like, no, we can't be spending
money like this. Wait what that got me? Oh? Go ahead,
you got wait?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Wait wait, So the money that's being paid for the
lawsuit is not even accounted for in this accounting, No, ma'am,
are you well then why is there a ten thousand
dollars pay it to the Claremont Institute on this accounting
if there's a whole other set of accounting just about
that lawsuit?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So yeah, because we the GOP the party last year
gave Claremont Institute ten thousand dollars towards that bill. But
that bill is racking up and so we're working on
that too. You're you're you're taking all my thunder for
the next the next email. So we're working on it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I have to tell you, let's talk about consulting for
a moment, because, and I said this earlier in the show,
I'm not anti consultant, but I feel like consultants need
to come in and add value and provide actual information
that that that does something positive for the organization that
they're in. But apparently Chairman David Williams paid himself two
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d two hundred and seven thousand dollars plus for consulting.
And I am I am shocked. I am absolutely gobsman.
I have to ask this question, Britta, what is your
financial arrangement as chairman with the Republican Party in terms
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of how you are compensated in any way, shape or
form by the party. Can you explain that to me?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh? Sure, so yes, I keep this salary or I
can do this ten ninety nine consulting. I mean, I
want to clean that up. That was to me. It's
like when you look at Dave William's total in twenty
twenty three, he was paid as a person and then
in twenty twenty four it went to as a Fox
LTV Group, Box Group. Yeah, and then they reimbursements. So
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right now I am working for free, ma'am. I'm going
to make sure that we get other things paid. First,
we need to make sure we have some staff people.
Some of this, you know, really important. I got to
go to the executive committee. I got to work on
the budget, making sure they prove the budget. And maybe,
like you said, maybe in the summer or the end
of the summer, you know, I'll pull a salary. But
I mean, I want to be able to prove that
I'm doing work and doing us work. Twenty four seven.
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I mean it's been nonstut. I mean even on Easter Sunday,
I met for brunch with somebody over politics. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Well, first of all, I admire you for doing that,
but please don't undervalue yourself. But is there not a
formal sort of salary arrangement or because this just seems
very nebulous, I mean, did the former chairman have some
kind of arrangement like I'm going to take X amount
of dollars per month or that you're aware of.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, we're just still looking for Like we got the
access to the internal server, so we're gonna start digging
through like the invoices and the you know, the correspondents
hopefully and be able to just find you know, what
we're looking for, because this is you know, this is
what I want to be really really clear about, Mandy,
is that I promised transparency. We're gonna do transparency. We're
gonna look at this going back, and we're going to
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get a forensic auditor that's just going to look at
blood the last team and a half years, so making
sure we're correct and we're current, and that texts are
paid and everything's done to make sure we're made whole.
But we need to turn around and go forward. We
got to look forward. We only have eighteen months to
the next election. We have got to get to work.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So how much money is in this other account for
this lawsuit and you're talking about the lawsuit on Prop
one O eight.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, the one I have, Like I said, we have
some dumps to it and I haven't seen that account.
And make sure to see what's going on in the
bank account itself, so I'll be able to bring that
back to you next time.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay. The other thing that I wanted to talk about
in this email was you apparently found a document which
had been amended by someone you logged in with Dave
Williams' credentials. Is that accurate? Tell me about that and
what was that document?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Okay? So what we found out is that when we
got him on April night, we got access to the
internal server and they went back and looked to see
who was the last person to go in there, and
it was that one. Like you said, it was April eighth.
And so we're still digging in to see what's going on,
what was added, what was a deleted, what was edited.
But we just wanted people to really understand, especially our party,
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and it's okay that this public information because we'll be
putting this on our website. It's just going you know,
everybody kept on saying it's a smooth transition, smooth transition.
It's kind of bumpy when you see other people that
shouldn't be in there in April a if you know,
nine twelve days after, they're not cheering anymore. Still in
the documents, right, we're going to be investigetting that as well.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Man, So what is what is all of this stuff?
I mean some of these numbers are huge, uh, Britta
and uh the legal numbers, especially I I'm just gonna
say it, I am not I understand why the lawsuit
on Proposition one O eight exists, but I think in
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the long run it's going to be bad for the
party and it's just being really expensive. Are there chances
that the party can decide to say, you know what,
We're not gonna do this anymore. We're going to move
forward and we're gonna redirect all these funds into getting
Republicans elected in Colorado. Is there any chance that could happen?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think a little bit more of a different having
a different direction, is that we're supposed to be fundraising
for this thing, and like I personally gave money to
the Moon Institute because I wanted to go for the
this laws to too. And like I said, it was
more it was like ninety five percent of the party
wanted to do this. But then you need to buck
up and start paying for it because it's not going
to come out of this pocket. We need to get
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fundraising needs to get on a huge, you know, huge level,
and the group of people that need to be fundraised
for that needs to start doing doing that job because
we can't be carrying these kind of balances either. I
don't want to do that either.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, and I was appalled, absolutely appalled by the anemic
contributions under the contribution section that that to me says
everything I need to know about this former leadership. When
this this should have been the largest section in my mind, right,
it should have been a list.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, No, these are all distributions, so you're not looking
at income. We're going to do income later, and it's
going to be such time time, time driven to just
dig and dig and dig and try to make sure
we're contributing all the different income. This is just disbursements.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
No, that's what I'm talking about. This should be the
biggest section. Like, in my mind, the Republican Party should
have been giving money to candidates, like they should have
been supporting candidates to get them elected. And you've got
Greg Lopez, you've got the Douglas County Republican Central Committee.
That looks like a reimbursement because it's so specific. Lauren
Bober for Congress. Let be let kids be Yeah, let
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kids be kids with Darcy Shoenig at Gary Peterson and
the Claremont Institute. That's it, and and that that should
be big.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, you're right. Look at the top, there's much. Look
at the very first page or a bulb ofp eagle
we had the rn C had to transfer back in
three years, you know, almost a million dollars. We had
to transfer it back. And like I said, this month alone,
when you look at the other page from the FEC
from disbursements for March, fifty seven thousand dollars was given
back to the r and C. I'm in talking with
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the rn C right now, going hey, we don't know
why it got paid back to you, and can we
have it back please.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, I was told, I was told by someone that
that was money that was donated to the Colorado GOP
by the Trump campaign that was expected to be sent
up to the RNC. That's what I was told by something.
When I asked about that, I was like, what is that?
So maybe that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm still working on that, but like you said, you
look at there. In twenty twenty four, eight hundred and
sixty nine thousand dollars was stepped back and we were
supposed to use that for candidates. Right this post full
circle for a lot of us, because now we understand
why money had to go to the Arizona GOP to
do the maniling and a Nisha for Evans, and it
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had to go in Colorado because this money got returned
because we're using it what we should have been doing,
getting contributions to all the candidates.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Absolutely, Rida, I am so appreciative of your transparency. Is
this now? I posted it on my blog, so it's
already public. But is the rest of this where can
people keep up? Where can they get these emails? Where
can they continue to follow this along?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So, like I said, this email was, like you said,
what we call the five away. It's the state's central committee.
So five aweight, five hundred eighty people got it. But
we also saying we're going to put it on our
website and we're just col O gop dot org and
also sign up for the newsletter. Newsletter we sent out
a more high level of this one. It wasn't in detail,
it didn't have all the details in it, but let
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us not let everybody know what we're doing the last
thirty days, and we're going to keep being transparent. There's
not gonna be anything hidden. We're going to let people
know what's going on because this is how we get
our trust back and get donors to want to be
involved with us again. Because we also had the plan
that we're pushing out obviously for all the regional offices.
How we're going to get those going, what that's going
to look like. We need field directors, we need people
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on the ground, we need to get to work. So
I think between these two pieces, we're showing the donors
and people in Colorado that we are doing the Yomani's
work getting this done, and we're they just keep marching forward.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, I hope. So it's a it was kind of
shocking to see all of this, and and I was
talking about it earlier on my show and the results
on the text line were like are you kidding me?
But hopefully this is going to do exactly what you
wanted to do. You know, transparency never hurts, right. It's
like I tell my kid all the time, like, if
you don't lie, you don't have anything to remember, right,
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you don't have you don't have to cover, you don't
have to remember your cover story. If you just tell
the truth, the truth is always going to be on
your side.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The thing that jumped out at me the most, Britta
about this kind of egregious spending. That I think is
egregious by Williams and his cronies is that this is
exactly what they accused Christy Burton Brown of doing with
no proof, with no investigation, with no forensic audit, And
it's almost like they were accusing her of doing it
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so they could do it, and it just that rubbed
me the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I think you're right. I think that does it for
anybody else. People excuse you, don't I always say that
with the preacher, you know, you're pointing a finger and
three are pointing back at you. Yeah, exactly what's going
on because even on that one hundred and forty thousand
that we're still trying to figure out. You know, I
remember I remember two years and three months ago when
Dave took over and he was, you know, doing the
same thing that I'm doing right now, but saying, we're
going to get you to the bottom of it. We're
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gonna fine out with one hundred and twenty thousand's about
and we still at carrying it. So we're going to
clean it up, all right. We're gonna have to go
with the sec and we're gonna have to you know,
do some some hopefully some negotiations when it comes to fees,
but we got to get it cleaned up six or
once and for all and move on and win elections.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Amen to that, Britta Horne. I appreciate your time today.
I appreciate this transparency. I'm going to continue sharing stuff
on my blog so people can see what's going on.
And I hope that not just you, but I know
that there are so many really great people that work
with you, and dedicated Republicans across the state that they
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deserve to know that their hard work and their money
is going what they think it's going to go to.
You know what I mean. I just I'm glad that
they're having someone on their side to say, your money
matters and we're going to take care of it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I truly appreciate that. And it's a team effort. I
think you've got everyone's known that for the beginning. Yes,
I appreciate it. I appreciate being the chair, but I
wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the team effort
of everybody that it's like, going, finally, we need to
get these things fixed. We need to go forward. Everybody
was watching this for the last two plus years.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Going.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
This is why, this is why Brighton was happening. Remember
when we were meeting in the church, you know, last
and July of last year, August, it was because these
things were going on and nobody was listening, you know.
So I'm glad there's a huge team that we have
and it's getting it's getting wider, you know, it's getting
broader stroke more and more people. I was just at
a speaking at a National Day of Prayer and all
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these people came up afterwards. They're like, oh my gosh,
you're doing a great job. And they were just you know,
loving on it, and just like we want to get
involved again and we're going to become Republicans again. I'm like,
thank you, Lord, thank you Lord. It's for you.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, Brenda, I'm godspeed on your mission, and I look
forward to more transparency and I look forward to being
able to help Republicans win races in Colorado, which is
really what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
All right, thanks Bretta.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That was great day than That
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Is Bretta Horn from the Colorado Republican Party.